July 9, 2025 • 37 mins
Dina, Pastor Roger, and Kate unpack the next message in Don’t Skip This, starting in Mark 5 with the powerful encounter with Jesus and a demon-possessed man. They explore the reality of spiritual warfare, the compassion of Christ to meet us in our mess, and the transformative power that turns even the most broken stories into testimonies of hope and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our sermon
series and figure out what we'retaking Beyond Sunday.
My name is Deena Newsom and Ihave some wonderful guests here
today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you.
Okay, I'm Roger Timer.
I'm one of the pastors on staff.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And I'm Kate Solberg, the associate campus director
at our Northwest campus.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But my title's shorter.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Because I can't spell all those words.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So thank you guys for being here today.
I don't know if you know, butthis week is World Chocolate Day
.
Stop it.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Are you chocolate fans?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, Okay.
So my question for you iswhat's your favorite kind of
chocolate?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Favorite kind of chocolate is with wine at night
watching movie on a movie night.
Friday night, dark chocolate.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But I had to create the whole ambiance.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's like the healthy chocolate too.
Dark chocolate, that's true.
Nice job it is yeah.
Also trivia Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Which kind of chocolate do kids more like?
Dark or milk?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Milk.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes, more sugar.
That's from the old children'sministry days yes, but this is
about you, kate.
This isn't about us.
What's your chocolate favorite?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
my favorite would be like those fancy chocolates that
are called turtles.
Oh, have you seen them?
It's like pecans caramel andthen chocolate on the top.
Yeah, yum.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, I'm a big fan right now of sea salt on
chocolate.
Yes yes yes, and it doesn'tmatter really what kind, but the
sea salt on there that's.
I'm digging that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Trivia.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Baker's chocolate.
Are you fans?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Why in the world?
Not Do we have to have anargument on air.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They don't make turtles there either, so have
you been in their candy store?
I've driven by it many times.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They've got every kind of candy there.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh, they have turtles .
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I bet they do, but they don't make them at
Baker's.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh, no, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I know You're a fan.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You're a fan I am a fan.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I am a fan, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And visiting their little factory there.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah that's fun.
That's fun, well, going fromchocolate to maybe some things
that are lesser known.
We're in week two of our sermonseries hey, don't Skip this
where we're looking at Bibleevents that maybe are not the
ones that we hear all the timeor the ones we heard necessarily
growing up.
And this week Pastor GregGriffith kind of dove into an
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event from Mark, the book ofMark, in chapter five, and if
you wanted to look this up onyour own, it's kind of verses 1
through 20.
But this story is interestingand different.
So, pastor Roger, I waswondering if you'd just give us
a brief rundown of kind of likea summary of this story.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, a bigger context is Mark loves to talk
about power encounters.
Context is Mark loves to talkabout power encounters as the
gospel writer and this is one ofthose big ones, because Jesus
has a power encounter withdemons within a demon-possessed
man.
Now, this is in a land ofGentiles, so it's kind of
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unclean that way.
The guy is unclean because he'sbeen ostracized from society,
chained outside, and he's a wildman and he's out there naked,
scary, and that's just the kindof person that Jesus is looking
for to give freedom and releaseto.
And he does as he casts thosedemons out and they go into a
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herd of unclean pigs off thehill.
And it does not make Jesuspopular with the community, but
that's not the point.
The point is that he deliveredthat man from the grip of Satan.
And he offers deliverance to usas well.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Amen.
So what are you guys takingbeyond Sunday from this message,
this overview?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, I was kind of looking at the verses that came
before chapter five and that'swhen Jesus calms the storm and
the disciples are like, how areyou asleep, jesus?
And I thought, man, what ananxiety-ridden day they had,
because they're coming from thestorm and they watch Jesus
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command the wind and waves tostop, to approaching this man
that all of society was afraidof, and I think he was probably
afraid of himself as well,because he had no control over
these demons.
And I love verse six because itsays and bowed low before him,
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and I thought, well, that's whatwe're all supposed to do.
I mean instantly, the demonswithin this man submitted to
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Jesus.
So right away.
We know, like Pastor Ruddersaid, the power that Jesus had
within his presence.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So yeah, that's an interesting encounter when we
talk about demon possession, soI was thinking about that and
some of the contemporary contextof that.
Today in America, that'susually not a primary strategy
of the enemy to possess peoplewith a type of overtaking them,
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such as this man.
There's a difference betweenpossession and oppression.
Oppression is just having agrip on people.
In other cultures, especiallyin cultures that deal with a
worldview of power encounter,it's much more common that
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there's demon possession likethis.
But I would say that, in termsof the man and his conversation
with Jesus, when it comes topossession questions, sometimes
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it is the voice of the demon andsometimes it is not.
So when he ran toward Jesus,was that the demons running
towards Jesus or was that theman running towards Jesus, or do
you make a difference at thatpoint?
But we do know that Jesus had adirect conversation with the
demons.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right, I don't know.
In my brain I would think it'sthe man.
Like I don't know.
I think there's a chance likefor the first time ever saw,
maybe relief yeah, yeah, well,and also too, um.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
this is in a series, especially in the gospel
narratives jesus is in theprocess of revealing who he is
right, and the beauty of theseevents they're not just stories,
they are events, as Pastor Gregmentioned is that we see
different perspectives of who heis as the Son of God, our
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Savior, and this is aperspective that's consistent
all the way through is that heis a one who goes to people at
their point of need,particularly those that need him
most, and that might be theoutcast.
So that's kind of where we arewith this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So what I found really interesting about this is
that you know, as part of this,like you said, jesus has a
conversation with the man, orbasically a conversation with
the demons, and the demons askhim not to destroy them but to
send them, send them into thepigs.
I'm curious, like what youthink of that, like what I?
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I have struggled to understand,because then the pigs
immediately ran and drownedthemselves, and so I'm curious,
why did they want that insteadof just Jesus destroying them?
If they knew that this was it?
That's what I've been, mybrain's been searching on since
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sunday and I haven't foundanything like in my, you know,
internet interwebs, googlesearches, to kind of elaborate
on that.
But that's the part in thestory where I'm like, what's
that?
Like they were dying anyway, orthe demons were being you know
what I mean like it just isinteresting to me that they
asked for his grace I guess Iwould almost summarize it as
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grace to put them into the pigs.
But then the pigs immediatelyran and drowned.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh boy, this is good.
Uh-oh yeah, because now there'sactually a whole theology of
demons.
Demons are heavenly creaturesand they will continue on, they
do not terminate, so they don'tquote die.
They did have a creation and inheaven they had the choice that
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God, out of His love, gives toall of mankind but gave to the
heavenly creatures.
But after you made your choice,you were locked, and that
choice is would you want to livein my kingdom of love, honoring
the author of love, myself, ordo you want to reject it and
build your own kingdom, whichwould be a kingdom of darkness?
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And some chose that.
And there's a head demon overthat, called Satan, and that's
locked.
Those decisions are locked.
The battleground here's thepoint.
How do they get back at God?
They get back at God by goingafter the apple of his eye, his
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prized creatures, those made inhis image you and me.
And that's why they hate thisman, because he's loved by God.
And they're getting back at Godfor that.
And they know I'm pretty surethey know their ultimate destiny
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will be, after the judgment day, thrown in the pit forever, and
it's completely sealed off fromthe presence of God.
So for the time being, let usget thrown into the pigs and the
pigs might die.
Then they, as spiritual beings,would go a-wandering to see
where else they might inflict.
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Okay, my take Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, Well, and biblically not that I know for
sure on all those things, butbiblically there's a basis for
that perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That just was where my brain was stirring this week.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And Jesus had the authority to send them to hell.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, well, and that final judgment is going to come
on the last day, right, and hecould send them to hell right
now.
However he can send them, hehas the authority to rebuke them
, more importantly, out of thatman.
Now here's the thing, whenJesus says to his disciples and
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to you and me as a church, allauthority in heaven and earth
has been given to me.
Go, therefore, and makedisciples.
That was in Matthew's GreatCommission.
Well, in Mark's GreatCommission, you also have signs
and wonders.
You have authority.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And as a church sometimes we would exercise that
authority in casting out demonsRight.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't know if I'm ready for that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, I'll help you get ready.
Do you want to hear a story?
Yes, I'll tell you one story,okay, yes, please, okay, so this
would be in Africa, in Nigeria.
My brother was a missionarythere for 10 years and there was
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, as he was planting a church,very much.
It's a culture, a power culture.
So you battle against thevoodoo witch doctor of the town
and your authority is always inwhat Jesus Christ has done for
us, the name of Jesus, the powerof his blood and the work of
the finished cross.
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Those things come up repeatedly.
So that's the authority that'sbeing used.
Now one of the guys there wasbrought by his parents and he
said he's having all the demonicmanifestations.
And he flat out did.
He had made so-called a bargainwith the devil that he would
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have success as an artist, getoff to a venue where he learned
it in the big city and became anartist and he had some success.
But he came back just crazed,demonically possessed, and they
brought him to my brother and hewas manifesting.
So they took him out in theirarea where they have their
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overhang, out in the field wheretheir church met.
They were just praying over himrepeatedly, repeatedly, and
then the voice would personify,it would come up and speak out
against him.
And the guy took off running.
He was just running for thebush.
This is what my brother said.
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So what we did is we just saidin the name of Jesus, stop.
And it was like he got pinnedon the back.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know, and brought him back and continued to pray.
And it's not just.
There's so many different waysit works.
Sometimes it can beinstantaneously, sometimes it's
a long duration, but it alwayscomes back to using the
authority of what Jesus has donefor us and praying that into
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people's lives, cause that'swhat frees us from the grip of
the enemy.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I've always, I've always taught my kids.
I'm like if you do not know howto pray, you pray the name of
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Pray the name of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's always correct.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nothing wrong about that.
So Pastor Greg made a statementkind of towards the start of
the message where he talkedabout God is intentional, about
meeting us in our mess, and I'mjust curious how that spoke to
you.
How are you related to that?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yep, he sure does Am.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I supposed to say amen.
I will, amen galore.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think the more I study the scripture, the more
God reveals to me like, yes, hewas working by his grace on this
man, but he was also likeworking in the lives of everyone
who was there too, and he waspreparing the disciples for what
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power they would have in hisname when he would be gone, his
name when he would be gone.
And I think he was alsorevealing in all of creation.
We're the only ones created inhis image, so those people that
were there were protected by him.
Pigs are not made in the imageof God, and Jesus would always
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choose if he had to.
You know, that's where he'sgoing to send his demons.
So it showed the value he placedon human life and especially
this town.
You know they'd gone throughall their plan A, plan B, plan C
.
They could not stop this man.
He'd broken his shackles, hewas cutting himself.
I mean, they were at theirwit's end and I know I've felt
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that way in my own life, inparenting.
And whom shall I go to?
You have the words of eternallife.
Unfortunately, a lot of timeswe have to get to that point
where, well, I can't do it on myown.
In fact, I'm making it worse onmyself and luckily hopefully,
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as we walk further with the Lord, that turnaround time is a lot
quicker.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not even going to try this time.
I can't say that so well, yousay that so well.
So what I was thinking of whenit comes to Mass, of course, I
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thought of the shame that hefelt, being naked and also
ostracized because they couldn'tdeal with him, and also in that
culture, being demonicallypossessed is not a socially
graceful activity.
It is not.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Sure not.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Maybe frowned upon, maybe perhaps, but there is a
metaphor at play here.
Not a metaphor, perhaps, animage that is a great handle for
the gospel, and it's nakednessthat also is very much akin
public nakedness is akin toshame, and that's why the Romans
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were very intentional that whenthey crucified they crucified
naked, because they wanted toheap shame on that criminal.
And they did so by crucifyingin public places, along paths,
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where that would welcome thedisdain of any passerby.
And Jesus, as he sees this mannaked in his shame, I don't know
what goes through his mind.
But he knows what's coming,because for him to have the
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authority to free him from thegrip of the enemy, he's going to
have to take all the weight ofthis man's sin and shame on
himself, and he's going to haveto be displayed naked and
ridiculed, but even more thanthat, to bear the punishment
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that is really deserved for sin,which is cast out, not just a
social setting of a village, butcast out of God's presence.
So that's what I was thinkingof.
My goodness, the mess of thisworld.
It all landed right on Jesusand he demonstrated that way.
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But when he rose from the deadand we also see visions of him
in those resurrection and inrevelation with his white robe,
I love how Pastor Greg hadsomeone come on up and he
covered them with a robe.
It's a beautiful picture.
It's very redeeming.
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It kind of tied into the kingwho wore, that's kind of-.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The emperor's new clothes that he talked about?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, the imagery in the Bible is the word
justification, which means to bedeclared righteous, which means
to be covered with his robe ofrighteousness, so that God sees
Jesus' robe of righteousness,and it covers our shame, our
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nakedness, and it is what wehave as not just our acceptance
and forgiveness, but also as ourstatus now as a royalty, which
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is kind of a picture I had whenI saw that too.
So that was what was goingthrough my mind when I was
thinking about this imagery thatworks through the Bible on
nakedness and shame.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, the part I really focused on on that phrase
was intentional.
I always think, like I thinkwhen my kids were little and
would get into trouble and, ohyeah, I got to save them from
this, oh yeah, no, don't touchthat.
No, put that down.
You know things, it wasn'talways intentional, it was
happenstance.
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But God like this, where hesays God is intentional about
meeting us in our mess.
He knows it, he's coming for it, and I really that
intentionality that just spoketo me about how much he cares
about us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Dina, do you think that he knew that going to this
area, this kind of Gentile areathat's not frequently traveled
by good Jewish people, do youthink he knew that guy was there
and he was intentional aboutgoing to seek him out?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh, absolutely.
I had not even thought aboutthat I think everything like
when you read the Gospels as awhole, all of these random
stories.
I mean sometimes it's like, oh,this is like a soap opera or a
drama.
How many bad situations can youcome across in a day?
And I know the gospelhighlights those situations to
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reflect who Jesus is.
But can you even imagine beingone of the disciples and walking
around with him and oh, andthen this happened, and then
this happened, and then thisamazing thing happened and just,
piece by piece by piece,firming up that foundation of
this really is God here on earth.
This really is a miracle.
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He is doing again.
Like, just, I don't know, Ijust think the disciples or the
people that were witnessingthese things just must have been
flabbergasted, but also like,oh, yep, I should know that by
now.
You know, after so many times,he just continues to reveal his
power.
But I, yeah, I just really, Idefinitely think he knew that
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this was going to happen.
That he came there for thatpurpose.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, and then it said I think it's verse 15.
Sorry, I should have had thisready, but at the end it said
that he was fully clothed andperfectly sane, right, and they
were all afraid because I'm surethey were like what just
happened, right?
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You know, and some of them werebegging him to leave, you know,
because I think they were scaredof Jesus's power.
But can you imagine like thepeople of that town being like
now wait a minute, who are you?
Wait what?
What happened?
Like this is nuts.
And it just shows again howJesus consistently calls the
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unlikely people.
And so we, as unlikely people,can be sure yes, god is calling
you, yep, you're the one.
He equips the called.
He doesn't call the equipped.
So yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So as Greg kind of continued talking about this, he
was talking about all of thelittle demons and he talked
about little demons and hereally asked the question of us
what little demons are youstruggling with?
So how did that hit you?
Did you think of something inyour own life that is a a little
demon you're struggling withright now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
well, I think that it's a question we should daily
ask oh yeah yeah, and I mean,you know, we sometimes talk
about the unholy trinity, whichis our battle against Satan
himself, also the world and itsinfluence, and then also our own
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inclination, our flesh, oursinful orientation, orientation.
Well, satan and his demons dohave the power of thought.
They can suggest thoughts.
They can't read your mind, bythe way, but they can suggest
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thoughts.
But what goes along really wellis knowing you well enough to
know what are those tender spotsin your spirit that they can
suggest thoughts to.
And the diabolical ones arethoughts of bitterness or
unforgiveness, or envy orjealousy.
They're not just the juicy ones, like you know lust and greed
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and avarice, you know.
And the world is making a greatcase for it.
So it deems it necessary that wepause and ask the question
daily.
That's why it's in the Lord'sPrayer Deliver us from the Greek
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is not evil, generic.
Deliver us from the evil one.
There's a person there and hisforces and lead us not into
temptation.
Well, that's our entire battle.
So in my own spiritual rhythmsI'm regularly asking Lord, what
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do I need to talk to you about?
That's got a grip on me and Icould tell you what I talked
about this morning but I'm notgoing to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I'll save you and that's just fine.
Not for public consumption.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's one of the things I love about your
relationship with God, thoughLike it's so personal.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
mean Like you can be so relational with Him, but so
personal.
It's not something you have toshare with anyone else.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He just loves to hear from you, he loves to accept
you.
He is not embarrassed.
It's not like you're going toembarrass Him by showing Him
something.
He's already seen that, yeah,and also, I think, a new thing
for me, because I'm reading alot of these accounts of the
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near-death experiences, andpeople have these encounters
with Jesus in their littlegateway entrance into heaven,
though they never passcompletely, because they don't
completely die.
They're called back, but thereis, for a certain percent of
them, a review and they look attheir whole life in review.
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So that begs the question forme.
I'm thinking, well, how am Igoing to feel?
I mean that's going to oh, oh,oh.
Going to feel.
I mean that's going to oh, oh,oh.
But what they continue to comeback to is how accepted and
loved they felt and those thingsthat were less than loving,
that needed.
You know that they wish theycould redo was something that
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wasn't held over them becausethey were the one that was
judging it and in the sense,they've already passed out
through faith in Christ.
It says in John 3, we'vealready passed out of judgment,
you know.
So it does matter what we do?
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Yes, it does, but it need notbe one of those things that we
have to hide, those things fromhim that are failures or faults
or foibles.
Let's bring them up so he candeal with them and we can get
over it.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Little demons or big demons?
Kate, do you have any littledemons?
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, mine is similar to what Roger said Just a
prayer.
I pray a lot is just order myday and my time, because if left
to me, I will waste big chunksof it.
I will do things that don'tmatter, I will err on the side
of laziness, and we don't knowhow many days we have left on
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earth, and I want to be someonein heaven who has a crown to lay
before him.
And so order my steps.
It helps me to pray with openhands, just like you were saying
.
I want Jesus to take everything.
I don't want to hang on to thebitterness, the unforgiveness,
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the resentfulness Like wash overme.
Forgive me for the sins thatI'm not even aware of or make me
aware of them.
That's a dangerous prayer rightthere.
Even aware of or make me awareof them, that's a dangerous
prayer, right there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
But again, it's just that, desiring to be refined so
you're more usable for him.
I feel like my little demonsare like just that I struggle
the most with are pieces of thisbroken human world, like
patience, like right now there'sa situation in my life where
God has put someone in my lifewho I know he has put in my life
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for me to minister, to just toshow kindness and love and
patience to them, but thisperson cannot get a clue.
Like they just keep making poorchoices.
They keep kind of making thesame mistakes, I feel like, and
I feel like they feel likethey're just smashing their head
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into a wall again and again andagain, but they don't seem to
be learning from it.
And I'm struggling sometimeswith my patients and continuing
to try to steer them in theright direction or to really get
them to turn things over to Godand allow Him to work in their
life.
And there's times where I'm justlike Lord, I have had enough.
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You need to shower me in thepatience because I don't want to
answer that phone call or Idon't want to go to that lunch
date with them, because I'mfrustrated that they don't seem
to be learning.
And so it's God's calling me.
I know he has put me in thisposition to help this person,
but I'm struggling with thislittle demon of okay, I got to
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set my patience aside.
I got to use his patience and Igot to just keep plugging away
at it aside.
I got to use his patience and Igot to just keep plugging away
at it, and sometimes I feel likeI'm banging my head against a
wall till I really turn it overto him and listen to my own
words that I'm telling thisperson to do with their
situation, to do with thissituation.
So that's my, that's one of mylittle demons I'm struggling
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with right now of my littledemons I'm struggling with right
now.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Doesn't it feel good?
I had my prayer partner timethis morning and I've had the
same prayer partner for 27, 28years.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And sometimes we need to talk out loud our lives and
identify those things that weneed to pray about, and it's
usually oftentimes things that,well, that might be a point of
the enemy's attack and I mightbe giving ground there, and it's
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just helpful to talk it outwith someone and then, you know,
to pray about it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So valuable.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
So, as we wrap up today, what are your final
takeaways from this message fromour?
Don't Skip this.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Mine is just verse 19 .
I just alluded to it before andhow Pastor Greg said this was
the first Gentile missionarythat he sent out, which is
incredible.
But Jesus and I love that heasks he wants to get in the boat
with Jesus.
I love that.
I just thought, oh, you know, Ihope that I'm that way.
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You know, I want to stay closeto Jesus.
But Jesus gave him anassignment.
He said no, go home to yourfamily and tell them everything
the Lord has done for you andhow merciful he has been.
And it says right after that.
So the man started off to visitand he obeyed.
Jesus gave him assignment andhe obeyed and I thought I mean,
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it's pretty, it is miraculous.
When he saw Jesus, he ran tohim and when Jesus spoke to him,
he obeyed.
And I thought that's what Ineed to do.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's the same thing I noted about this where he
wanted to go and Jesus is likeno, you need to go, tell other
people what has happened here.
And that's that picture ofJesus continuing to reveal who
he is to the people there.
And just what redemption forthis man to be able to go and
talk about Holy moly.
Yeah, just amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Dina, that is such a good word for this story
Redemption Because he was notjust set free.
Redemption because he was notjust set free, he was redeemed
for an another purpose, sharingthat same love that he received
in the power that is in jesus.
That's huge, yeah.
And and I think that's probablykind of one of my takeaways on
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this is there's a sign to this.
If you put yourself in the eventwhere it is a peelback of the
heavenly realities and you'reseeing a clash against the Son
of God Himself and demonicforces, and it's not of this
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world and it's just going toseem crazy, but it's more real
or as real as anything elsearound.
And I think that what I leftwith is sensing that this real
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world, this kingdom world thatJesus is operating in, that he's
speaking his word, in thisbringing freedom and relief, is
the same world that we areoffered as well.
So what do we sing?
That need that word, that needthat authority of Jesus' name,
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that need that healing touch,because he has defeated the
power and the grip of the enemythrough his life, that he lived
in our place, his death thatpaid the price and the
resurrection that makes him theliving God who is with us today,
so let's use that authority.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I, like Pastor Greg said, evil is not displaced
, it has been destroyed.
That's Jesus, yes, yeah, well,thank you guys for being here
today.
I'm excited to hear week threeof this.
Hey, don't Skip this message,and until then, let's keep
living our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our sermon
series and figure out what we'retaking Beyond Sunday.
My name is Deena Newsom and Ihave some wonderful guests here
today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you.
Okay, I'm Roger Timer.
I'm one of the pastors on staff.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And I'm Kate Solberg, the associate campus director
at our Northwest campus.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But my title's shorter.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Because I can't spell all those words.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So thank you guys for being here today.
I don't know if you know, butthis week is World Chocolate Day
.
Stop it.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Are you chocolate fans?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, Okay.
So my question for you iswhat's your favorite kind of
chocolate?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Favorite kind of chocolate is with wine at night
watching movie on a movie night.
Friday night, dark chocolate.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But I had to create the whole ambiance.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's like the healthy chocolate too.
Dark chocolate, that's true.
Nice job it is yeah.
Also trivia Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Which kind of chocolate do kids more like?
Dark or milk?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Milk.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes, more sugar.
That's from the old children'sministry days yes, but this is
about you, kate.
This isn't about us.
What's your chocolate favorite?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
my favorite would be like those fancy chocolates that
are called turtles.
Oh, have you seen them?
It's like pecans caramel andthen chocolate on the top.
Yeah, yum.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, I'm a big fan right now of sea salt on
chocolate.
Yes yes yes, and it doesn'tmatter really what kind, but the
sea salt on there that's.
I'm digging that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Trivia.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Baker's chocolate.
Are you fans?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Why in the world?
Not Do we have to have anargument on air.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They don't make turtles there either, so have
you been in their candy store?
I've driven by it many times.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They've got every kind of candy there.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh, they have turtles .
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I bet they do, but they don't make them at
Baker's.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh, no, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I know You're a fan.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You're a fan I am a fan.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I am a fan, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And visiting their little factory there.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah that's fun.
That's fun, well, going fromchocolate to maybe some things
that are lesser known.
We're in week two of our sermonseries hey, don't Skip this
where we're looking at Bibleevents that maybe are not the
ones that we hear all the timeor the ones we heard necessarily
growing up.
And this week Pastor GregGriffith kind of dove into an
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event from Mark, the book ofMark, in chapter five, and if
you wanted to look this up onyour own, it's kind of verses 1
through 20.
But this story is interestingand different.
So, pastor Roger, I waswondering if you'd just give us
a brief rundown of kind of likea summary of this story.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, a bigger context is Mark loves to talk
about power encounters.
Context is Mark loves to talkabout power encounters as the
gospel writer and this is one ofthose big ones, because Jesus
has a power encounter withdemons within a demon-possessed
man.
Now, this is in a land ofGentiles, so it's kind of
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unclean that way.
The guy is unclean because he'sbeen ostracized from society,
chained outside, and he's a wildman and he's out there naked,
scary, and that's just the kindof person that Jesus is looking
for to give freedom and releaseto.
And he does as he casts thosedemons out and they go into a
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herd of unclean pigs off thehill.
And it does not make Jesuspopular with the community, but
that's not the point.
The point is that he deliveredthat man from the grip of Satan.
And he offers deliverance to usas well.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Amen.
So what are you guys takingbeyond Sunday from this message,
this overview?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, I was kind of looking at the verses that came
before chapter five and that'swhen Jesus calms the storm and
the disciples are like, how areyou asleep, jesus?
And I thought, man, what ananxiety-ridden day they had,
because they're coming from thestorm and they watch Jesus
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command the wind and waves tostop, to approaching this man
that all of society was afraidof, and I think he was probably
afraid of himself as well,because he had no control over
these demons.
And I love verse six because itsays and bowed low before him,
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and I thought, well, that's whatwe're all supposed to do.
I mean instantly, the demonswithin this man submitted to
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Jesus.
So right away.
We know, like Pastor Ruddersaid, the power that Jesus had
within his presence.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So yeah, that's an interesting encounter when we
talk about demon possession, soI was thinking about that and
some of the contemporary contextof that.
Today in America, that'susually not a primary strategy
of the enemy to possess peoplewith a type of overtaking them,
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such as this man.
There's a difference betweenpossession and oppression.
Oppression is just having agrip on people.
In other cultures, especiallyin cultures that deal with a
worldview of power encounter,it's much more common that
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there's demon possession likethis.
But I would say that, in termsof the man and his conversation
with Jesus, when it comes topossession questions, sometimes
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it is the voice of the demon andsometimes it is not.
So when he ran toward Jesus,was that the demons running
towards Jesus or was that theman running towards Jesus, or do
you make a difference at thatpoint?
But we do know that Jesus had adirect conversation with the
demons.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right, I don't know.
In my brain I would think it'sthe man.
Like I don't know.
I think there's a chance likefor the first time ever saw,
maybe relief yeah, yeah, well,and also too, um.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
this is in a series, especially in the gospel
narratives jesus is in theprocess of revealing who he is
right, and the beauty of theseevents they're not just stories,
they are events, as Pastor Gregmentioned is that we see
different perspectives of who heis as the Son of God, our
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Savior, and this is aperspective that's consistent
all the way through is that heis a one who goes to people at
their point of need,particularly those that need him
most, and that might be theoutcast.
So that's kind of where we arewith this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So what I found really interesting about this is
that you know, as part of this,like you said, jesus has a
conversation with the man, orbasically a conversation with
the demons, and the demons askhim not to destroy them but to
send them, send them into thepigs.
I'm curious, like what youthink of that, like what I?
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I have struggled to understand,because then the pigs
immediately ran and drownedthemselves, and so I'm curious,
why did they want that insteadof just Jesus destroying them?
If they knew that this was it?
That's what I've been, mybrain's been searching on since
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sunday and I haven't foundanything like in my, you know,
internet interwebs, googlesearches, to kind of elaborate
on that.
But that's the part in thestory where I'm like, what's
that?
Like they were dying anyway, orthe demons were being you know
what I mean like it just isinteresting to me that they
asked for his grace I guess Iwould almost summarize it as
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grace to put them into the pigs.
But then the pigs immediatelyran and drowned.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh boy, this is good.
Uh-oh yeah, because now there'sactually a whole theology of
demons.
Demons are heavenly creaturesand they will continue on, they
do not terminate, so they don'tquote die.
They did have a creation and inheaven they had the choice that
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God, out of His love, gives toall of mankind but gave to the
heavenly creatures.
But after you made your choice,you were locked, and that
choice is would you want to livein my kingdom of love, honoring
the author of love, myself, ordo you want to reject it and
build your own kingdom, whichwould be a kingdom of darkness?
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And some chose that.
And there's a head demon overthat, called Satan, and that's
locked.
Those decisions are locked.
The battleground here's thepoint.
How do they get back at God?
They get back at God by goingafter the apple of his eye, his
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prized creatures, those made inhis image you and me.
And that's why they hate thisman, because he's loved by God.
And they're getting back at Godfor that.
And they know I'm pretty surethey know their ultimate destiny
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will be, after the judgment day, thrown in the pit forever, and
it's completely sealed off fromthe presence of God.
So for the time being, let usget thrown into the pigs and the
pigs might die.
Then they, as spiritual beings,would go a-wandering to see
where else they might inflict.
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Okay, my take Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, Well, and biblically not that I know for
sure on all those things, butbiblically there's a basis for
that perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That just was where my brain was stirring this week.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And Jesus had the authority to send them to hell.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, well, and that final judgment is going to come
on the last day, right, and hecould send them to hell right
now.
However he can send them, hehas the authority to rebuke them
, more importantly, out of thatman.
Now here's the thing, whenJesus says to his disciples and
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to you and me as a church, allauthority in heaven and earth
has been given to me.
Go, therefore, and makedisciples.
That was in Matthew's GreatCommission.
Well, in Mark's GreatCommission, you also have signs
and wonders.
You have authority.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And as a church sometimes we would exercise that
authority in casting out demonsRight.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't know if I'm ready for that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, I'll help you get ready.
Do you want to hear a story?
Yes, I'll tell you one story,okay, yes, please, okay, so this
would be in Africa, in Nigeria.
My brother was a missionarythere for 10 years and there was
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, as he was planting a church,very much.
It's a culture, a power culture.
So you battle against thevoodoo witch doctor of the town
and your authority is always inwhat Jesus Christ has done for
us, the name of Jesus, the powerof his blood and the work of
the finished cross.
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Those things come up repeatedly.
So that's the authority that'sbeing used.
Now one of the guys there wasbrought by his parents and he
said he's having all the demonicmanifestations.
And he flat out did.
He had made so-called a bargainwith the devil that he would
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have success as an artist, getoff to a venue where he learned
it in the big city and became anartist and he had some success.
But he came back just crazed,demonically possessed, and they
brought him to my brother and hewas manifesting.
So they took him out in theirarea where they have their
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overhang, out in the field wheretheir church met.
They were just praying over himrepeatedly, repeatedly, and
then the voice would personify,it would come up and speak out
against him.
And the guy took off running.
He was just running for thebush.
This is what my brother said.
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So what we did is we just saidin the name of Jesus, stop.
And it was like he got pinnedon the back.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know, and brought him back and continued to pray.
And it's not just.
There's so many different waysit works.
Sometimes it can beinstantaneously, sometimes it's
a long duration, but it alwayscomes back to using the
authority of what Jesus has donefor us and praying that into
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people's lives, cause that'swhat frees us from the grip of
the enemy.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I've always, I've always taught my kids.
I'm like if you do not know howto pray, you pray the name of
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Pray the name of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's always correct.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nothing wrong about that.
So Pastor Greg made a statementkind of towards the start of
the message where he talkedabout God is intentional, about
meeting us in our mess, and I'mjust curious how that spoke to
you.
How are you related to that?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yep, he sure does Am.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I supposed to say amen.
I will, amen galore.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think the more I study the scripture, the more
God reveals to me like, yes, hewas working by his grace on this
man, but he was also likeworking in the lives of everyone
who was there too, and he waspreparing the disciples for what
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power they would have in hisname when he would be gone, his
name when he would be gone.
And I think he was alsorevealing in all of creation.
We're the only ones created inhis image, so those people that
were there were protected by him.
Pigs are not made in the imageof God, and Jesus would always
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choose if he had to.
You know, that's where he'sgoing to send his demons.
So it showed the value he placedon human life and especially
this town.
You know they'd gone throughall their plan A, plan B, plan C
.
They could not stop this man.
He'd broken his shackles, hewas cutting himself.
I mean, they were at theirwit's end and I know I've felt
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that way in my own life, inparenting.
And whom shall I go to?
You have the words of eternallife.
Unfortunately, a lot of timeswe have to get to that point
where, well, I can't do it on myown.
In fact, I'm making it worse onmyself and luckily hopefully,
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as we walk further with the Lord, that turnaround time is a lot
quicker.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not even going to try this time.
I can't say that so well, yousay that so well.
So what I was thinking of whenit comes to Mass, of course, I
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thought of the shame that hefelt, being naked and also
ostracized because they couldn'tdeal with him, and also in that
culture, being demonicallypossessed is not a socially
graceful activity.
It is not.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Sure not.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Maybe frowned upon, maybe perhaps, but there is a
metaphor at play here.
Not a metaphor, perhaps, animage that is a great handle for
the gospel, and it's nakednessthat also is very much akin
public nakedness is akin toshame, and that's why the Romans
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were very intentional that whenthey crucified they crucified
naked, because they wanted toheap shame on that criminal.
And they did so by crucifyingin public places, along paths,
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where that would welcome thedisdain of any passerby.
And Jesus, as he sees this mannaked in his shame, I don't know
what goes through his mind.
But he knows what's coming,because for him to have the
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authority to free him from thegrip of the enemy, he's going to
have to take all the weight ofthis man's sin and shame on
himself, and he's going to haveto be displayed naked and
ridiculed, but even more thanthat, to bear the punishment
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that is really deserved for sin,which is cast out, not just a
social setting of a village, butcast out of God's presence.
So that's what I was thinkingof.
My goodness, the mess of thisworld.
It all landed right on Jesusand he demonstrated that way.
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But when he rose from the deadand we also see visions of him
in those resurrection and inrevelation with his white robe,
I love how Pastor Greg hadsomeone come on up and he
covered them with a robe.
It's a beautiful picture.
It's very redeeming.
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It kind of tied into the kingwho wore, that's kind of-.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The emperor's new clothes that he talked about?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, the imagery in the Bible is the word
justification, which means to bedeclared righteous, which means
to be covered with his robe ofrighteousness, so that God sees
Jesus' robe of righteousness,and it covers our shame, our
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nakedness, and it is what wehave as not just our acceptance
and forgiveness, but also as ourstatus now as a royalty, which
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is kind of a picture I had whenI saw that too.
So that was what was goingthrough my mind when I was
thinking about this imagery thatworks through the Bible on
nakedness and shame.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, the part I really focused on on that phrase
was intentional.
I always think, like I thinkwhen my kids were little and
would get into trouble and, ohyeah, I got to save them from
this, oh yeah, no, don't touchthat.
No, put that down.
You know things, it wasn'talways intentional, it was
happenstance.
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But God like this, where hesays God is intentional about
meeting us in our mess.
He knows it, he's coming for it, and I really that
intentionality that just spoketo me about how much he cares
about us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Dina, do you think that he knew that going to this
area, this kind of Gentile areathat's not frequently traveled
by good Jewish people, do youthink he knew that guy was there
and he was intentional aboutgoing to seek him out?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh, absolutely.
I had not even thought aboutthat I think everything like
when you read the Gospels as awhole, all of these random
stories.
I mean sometimes it's like, oh,this is like a soap opera or a
drama.
How many bad situations can youcome across in a day?
And I know the gospelhighlights those situations to
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reflect who Jesus is.
But can you even imagine beingone of the disciples and walking
around with him and oh, andthen this happened, and then
this happened, and then thisamazing thing happened and just,
piece by piece by piece,firming up that foundation of
this really is God here on earth.
This really is a miracle.
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He is doing again.
Like, just, I don't know, Ijust think the disciples or the
people that were witnessingthese things just must have been
flabbergasted, but also like,oh, yep, I should know that by
now.
You know, after so many times,he just continues to reveal his
power.
But I, yeah, I just really, Idefinitely think he knew that
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this was going to happen.
That he came there for thatpurpose.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, and then it said I think it's verse 15.
Sorry, I should have had thisready, but at the end it said
that he was fully clothed andperfectly sane, right, and they
were all afraid because I'm surethey were like what just
happened, right?
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You know, and some of them werebegging him to leave, you know,
because I think they were scaredof Jesus's power.
But can you imagine like thepeople of that town being like
now wait a minute, who are you?
Wait what?
What happened?
Like this is nuts.
And it just shows again howJesus consistently calls the
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unlikely people.
And so we, as unlikely people,can be sure yes, god is calling
you, yep, you're the one.
He equips the called.
He doesn't call the equipped.
So yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So as Greg kind of continued talking about this, he
was talking about all of thelittle demons and he talked
about little demons and hereally asked the question of us
what little demons are youstruggling with?
So how did that hit you?
Did you think of something inyour own life that is a a little
demon you're struggling withright now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
well, I think that it's a question we should daily
ask oh yeah yeah, and I mean,you know, we sometimes talk
about the unholy trinity, whichis our battle against Satan
himself, also the world and itsinfluence, and then also our own
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inclination, our flesh, oursinful orientation, orientation.
Well, satan and his demons dohave the power of thought.
They can suggest thoughts.
They can't read your mind, bythe way, but they can suggest
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thoughts.
But what goes along really wellis knowing you well enough to
know what are those tender spotsin your spirit that they can
suggest thoughts to.
And the diabolical ones arethoughts of bitterness or
unforgiveness, or envy orjealousy.
They're not just the juicy ones, like you know lust and greed
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and avarice, you know.
And the world is making a greatcase for it.
So it deems it necessary that wepause and ask the question
daily.
That's why it's in the Lord'sPrayer Deliver us from the Greek
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is not evil, generic.
Deliver us from the evil one.
There's a person there and hisforces and lead us not into
temptation.
Well, that's our entire battle.
So in my own spiritual rhythmsI'm regularly asking Lord, what
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do I need to talk to you about?
That's got a grip on me and Icould tell you what I talked
about this morning but I'm notgoing to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I'll save you and that's just fine.
Not for public consumption.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's one of the things I love about your
relationship with God, thoughLike it's so personal.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
mean Like you can be so relational with Him, but so
personal.
It's not something you have toshare with anyone else.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He just loves to hear from you, he loves to accept
you.
He is not embarrassed.
It's not like you're going toembarrass Him by showing Him
something.
He's already seen that, yeah,and also, I think, a new thing
for me, because I'm reading alot of these accounts of the
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near-death experiences, andpeople have these encounters
with Jesus in their littlegateway entrance into heaven,
though they never passcompletely, because they don't
completely die.
They're called back, but thereis, for a certain percent of
them, a review and they look attheir whole life in review.
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So that begs the question forme.
I'm thinking, well, how am Igoing to feel?
I mean that's going to oh, oh,oh.
Going to feel.
I mean that's going to oh, oh,oh.
But what they continue to comeback to is how accepted and
loved they felt and those thingsthat were less than loving,
that needed.
You know that they wish theycould redo was something that
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wasn't held over them becausethey were the one that was
judging it and in the sense,they've already passed out
through faith in Christ.
It says in John 3, we'vealready passed out of judgment,
you know.
So it does matter what we do?
(28:55):
Yes, it does, but it need notbe one of those things that we
have to hide, those things fromhim that are failures or faults
or foibles.
Let's bring them up so he candeal with them and we can get
over it.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Little demons or big demons?
Kate, do you have any littledemons?
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, mine is similar to what Roger said Just a
prayer.
I pray a lot is just order myday and my time, because if left
to me, I will waste big chunksof it.
I will do things that don'tmatter, I will err on the side
of laziness, and we don't knowhow many days we have left on
(29:45):
earth, and I want to be someonein heaven who has a crown to lay
before him.
And so order my steps.
It helps me to pray with openhands, just like you were saying
.
I want Jesus to take everything.
I don't want to hang on to thebitterness, the unforgiveness,
(30:07):
the resentfulness Like wash overme.
Forgive me for the sins thatI'm not even aware of or make me
aware of them.
That's a dangerous prayer rightthere.
Even aware of or make me awareof them, that's a dangerous
prayer, right there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
But again, it's just that, desiring to be refined so
you're more usable for him.
I feel like my little demonsare like just that I struggle
the most with are pieces of thisbroken human world, like
patience, like right now there'sa situation in my life where
God has put someone in my lifewho I know he has put in my life
(30:44):
for me to minister, to just toshow kindness and love and
patience to them, but thisperson cannot get a clue.
Like they just keep making poorchoices.
They keep kind of making thesame mistakes, I feel like, and
I feel like they feel likethey're just smashing their head
(31:06):
into a wall again and again andagain, but they don't seem to
be learning from it.
And I'm struggling sometimeswith my patients and continuing
to try to steer them in theright direction or to really get
them to turn things over to Godand allow Him to work in their
life.
And there's times where I'm justlike Lord, I have had enough.
(31:28):
You need to shower me in thepatience because I don't want to
answer that phone call or Idon't want to go to that lunch
date with them, because I'mfrustrated that they don't seem
to be learning.
And so it's God's calling me.
I know he has put me in thisposition to help this person,
but I'm struggling with thislittle demon of okay, I got to
(31:52):
set my patience aside.
I got to use his patience and Igot to just keep plugging away
at it aside.
I got to use his patience and Igot to just keep plugging away
at it, and sometimes I feel likeI'm banging my head against a
wall till I really turn it overto him and listen to my own
words that I'm telling thisperson to do with their
situation, to do with thissituation.
So that's my, that's one of mylittle demons I'm struggling
(32:15):
with right now of my littledemons I'm struggling with right
now.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Doesn't it feel good?
I had my prayer partner timethis morning and I've had the
same prayer partner for 27, 28years.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And sometimes we need to talk out loud our lives and
identify those things that weneed to pray about, and it's
usually oftentimes things that,well, that might be a point of
the enemy's attack and I mightbe giving ground there, and it's
(32:51):
just helpful to talk it outwith someone and then, you know,
to pray about it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So valuable.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
So, as we wrap up today, what are your final
takeaways from this message fromour?
Don't Skip this.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Mine is just verse 19 .
I just alluded to it before andhow Pastor Greg said this was
the first Gentile missionarythat he sent out, which is
incredible.
But Jesus and I love that heasks he wants to get in the boat
with Jesus.
I love that.
I just thought, oh, you know, Ihope that I'm that way.
(33:34):
You know, I want to stay closeto Jesus.
But Jesus gave him anassignment.
He said no, go home to yourfamily and tell them everything
the Lord has done for you andhow merciful he has been.
And it says right after that.
So the man started off to visitand he obeyed.
Jesus gave him assignment andhe obeyed and I thought I mean,
(33:56):
it's pretty, it is miraculous.
When he saw Jesus, he ran tohim and when Jesus spoke to him,
he obeyed.
And I thought that's what Ineed to do.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's the same thing I noted about this where he
wanted to go and Jesus is likeno, you need to go, tell other
people what has happened here.
And that's that picture ofJesus continuing to reveal who
he is to the people there.
And just what redemption forthis man to be able to go and
talk about Holy moly.
Yeah, just amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Dina, that is such a good word for this story
Redemption Because he was notjust set free.
Redemption because he was notjust set free, he was redeemed
for an another purpose, sharingthat same love that he received
in the power that is in jesus.
That's huge, yeah.
And and I think that's probablykind of one of my takeaways on
(34:55):
this is there's a sign to this.
If you put yourself in the eventwhere it is a peelback of the
heavenly realities and you'reseeing a clash against the Son
of God Himself and demonicforces, and it's not of this
(35:20):
world and it's just going toseem crazy, but it's more real
or as real as anything elsearound.
And I think that what I leftwith is sensing that this real
(35:41):
world, this kingdom world thatJesus is operating in, that he's
speaking his word, in thisbringing freedom and relief, is
the same world that we areoffered as well.
So what do we sing?
That need that word, that needthat authority of Jesus' name,
(36:02):
that need that healing touch,because he has defeated the
power and the grip of the enemythrough his life, that he lived
in our place, his death thatpaid the price and the
resurrection that makes him theliving God who is with us today,
so let's use that authority.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I, like Pastor Greg said, evil is not displaced
, it has been destroyed.
That's Jesus, yes, yeah, well,thank you guys for being here
today.
I'm excited to hear week threeof this.
Hey, don't Skip this message,and until then, let's keep
living our faith beyond Sunday.
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