December 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Continuing with the series Family Matters, Dina, Chad, and Kate explore how to honor family and others without losing yourself. They look at forgiveness, authority, and boundaries, offering guidance on navigating tough relationships through the lens of your faith.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our sermon
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dina Newsom, and Ihave some wonderful guests
today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves, guys.
Kate Solberg.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
My name is Chad Kelly.
SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
Why did that feel awkward?
Don't know.
Nope.
SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
I oversee student ministry here at King of Kings.
Kate, what do you do?
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
I'm the associate campus director at our Northwest
Omaha campus.
Great.
Thank you guys so much for beinghere in the midst of our crazy
Christmas season.
Oh yeah.
Uh things gear up, not just forfamilies, but here at churches.
So my question for you is whatis your most favorite and the
least favorite thing about theChristmas season?
(00:51):
It can be work-related, it canbe personal.
What do you got?
Most favorite, least favorite.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
I mean, my least favorite is that I don't really
like the cold.
I'm a I'm a warm body, so I liketo be like I'd love to live near
a beach.
Um, so the cold has been alittle rough when it was zero or
negative eight, it felt like theother day.
That was that was too much forme.
SPEAKER_03 (01:14):
Welcome to Nebraska.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yeah, it's not fun.
I was talking to someone theother the other week who's been
in Nebraska for a while, and itwas like 10 degrees when we were
talking.
And he goes, Oh, just wait,it'll get 50 degrees lower.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
50?
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
He said last year it felt like negative 40 one time
because the wind.
It's insane.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
I block it out.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
That's my least favorite thing about the
Christmas season.
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Well, I thought about my most favorite, and
that's my secret way to entrapmy children into my presence is
by playing games, usually cardgames.
And they don't listen to thispodcast because why would they
listen to a podcast that theirmom is on?
But um, I'm always like, oh mygosh, I found the coolest game.
I'm so excited to play it.
(01:57):
And that's my way that they'restuck with me for at least an
hour or so, and they are not ontheir phone as much.
Christmas Entrapment.
Got it.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
Is there a favorite game that you guys play?
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
Uh we really like five crowns.
Okay.
And that takes a good chunk oftime to play.
But I just ordered two newgames.
One's like Uzzle.
Oh, with the pictures.
SPEAKER_03 (02:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The images.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That looks very interesting.
Because I've uh seen thateverywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Yeah.
I yeah.
I was just looking on Amazon,like the top games, and that was
one of them.
And I have nephews that are likefifth grade through 11th grade.
So I have to have like a rangeof games to entrap them all.
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Yeah.
My favorite part is givinggifts.
I love rapping.
I love watching someone open thegift.
I love trying to find a giftthat's something they mentioned
six months ago that they'llnever remember that I
remembered.
Like that's my, I don't likeshopping off a list.
I like, like, what are theyreally into right now?
And then I find something atsome weird craft fair or online.
(03:06):
Or yeah, just remember that,hey, this summer they said that
they need a new, I don't know,like shine remover for their car
or some random, like, I don'tknow, make something up and I'm
like, haha, I got it forChristmas.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Does that equally stress you out when like you
don't don't have anything forsomeone and you have to find
something to gift them?
SPEAKER_03 (03:26):
You know, I'm also a fan of gift cards.
If I can't find the perfectgift, then it's just find the
perfect place.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
And that works too.
That's good.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
You would not be happy with my family.
My parents were like, we're donewith gifts forever.
Really?
We're not buying you any and wedon't want any from you.
Period.
I was like, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
I love gifts.
Like I was the mom that when mykids were little, I everything
that we bought anywhere withinthe six weeks of Christmas got
wrapped.
Like if they needed toothpaste,that was getting wrapped and put
under the tree.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (04:04):
Boxes of tissues wrapped and under the tree.
Hey, here's toilet paper wrappedin under the tree.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
That's exciting.
That must be your love language.
SPEAKER_03 (04:15):
Gifts, is it?
Uh actually, it's not.
Oh my.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
She just says all of them.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Dang.
Yeah.
What do I hate?
I don't know what I hate aboutthe Christmas season.
I'm really a big fan ofChristmas.
I like the magic, the wonder,the sparkle, just the
excitement.
I like the cold.
I like the snow.
I like lights.
I don't I don't know what I hatewhen it's over.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
That's what I That's what I was gonna say.
The day you have to take yourtree down, it's like, uh, now
all that's left is January andFebruary.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Where it gets really cold.
Yeah.
And that'll be really sad.
SPEAKER_03 (04:49):
Sometimes my tree doesn't come down until May.
So I just push that up.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
May that's a hot take.
SPEAKER_03 (04:54):
One time, one time we were celebrating my son's
birthday is in April, and myChristmas tree was still up when
we were celebrating my son'sbirthday.
And my daughters challenged meto leave it up all year.
So I did just because you didn'ttake the tree down.
I didn't take it down.
It just stayed up till the nextChristmas.
And then I took it down.
Did you in February?
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Did you excited about Christmas though?
Yeah.
I'm excited about Christmas allthe time.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (05:18):
Because I had to put up other stuff.
Like I took the stockings downand the other decor down.
SPEAKER_00 (05:23):
It was just the tree that's how many like seasonal
decorations do you do in yourhome?
SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
Okay.
So right now I do very fewbecause right now my house is
just two people.
So I do less and less.
Um, I just contribute todecorations at other people's
homes that I visit, like mydaughter or my father.
unknown (05:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:44):
You smuggle stuff.
They have plenty of decor forall of us.
That's funny.
SPEAKER_00 (05:48):
My mom has always done an obscene amount of
decorating every season.
And like it's the workoutwhenever I go home.
You gotta take Fox upstairs andbring them back downstairs, and
it's exhausting.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
My mom had a whole one of those like little
villages, you know.
She's passed since then.
But she likes that coming outevery year.
Oh, yeah.
It was called Linda Land.
Her name was Linda.
And then she would name thestreets and the houses, and this
lake was such and such lake.
And like she it was, yeah.
And then she'd add to it everyyear.
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
My grandma uh she would collect uh Santas, and so
she had hundreds of Santas thatwould stay in her home all year
round.
And so now that she's passed acouple years ago, the the the
tradition we're starting is youSanta whoever hosts
Thanksgiving.
So you bring 20 or 30 ofgrandma's Santas and you hide
them around their house.
And we just got the text acouple days ago.
(06:40):
We found the last Santa.
SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
That's amazing.
That's kind of a fun challenge.
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
That is really fun.
Wow.
All right.
Well, we are getting ready forChristmas here at King of Kings
by talking about anotherChristmas, maybe love, maybe
struggle for some people.
Family.
Family matters is our currentseries, and Pastor Seth Flick is
taking us us through it.
We are in week two right now,where we are really talking
(07:08):
about kind of the parentalrelationship.
Last week we talked aboutsiblings, and so this week it
was about parents or people in aposition of authority.
What did you guys what are youtaking beyond Sunday from this
week's message?
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
I just loved the line that Seth would say that it
helped me remind me.
What did what was his main line?
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
The forgiveness one or about being good.
SPEAKER_00 (07:34):
Um it is not the parent that makes you, there's
not the someone help me out.
SPEAKER_03 (07:39):
Um it's not about him, it's about you.
That's what I that's the shortversion that I have.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
It's not the good of the person, it's the good that
the Lord's making you into.
And it's like so many times inour life, whether it's as simple
as like working out or as hardas uh forgiving a family member
or doing something for someonewho just doesn't have the best
authority in your life.
Um it's not about the otherperson, it's about how God's
forming you into be the personthat He's calling you to be.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
Yeah, that was good.
Um and then he referenced hisforgiveness is a must, but trust
takes time to adjust.
That was when you're talkingabout family relationships, I
don't that forgiveness is a bigit's a big part of it that we
all need.
SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
So um, I really liked that he circled around
because family can be a struggleand talked about how you can
love and you can forgive and youcan submit to authority, but
that doesn't mean that you can'tset boundaries for yourself.
So if you have someone thatyou've had a hard relationship
with or that has mistreated youor that doesn't agree with some
of your beliefs, you can lovethem and you can forgive them,
(08:49):
but you can still set your ownboundaries.
Um, and he talked about that thefirst week also.
I just liked that he reiteratedthat it can be kind of touchy.
So um he opened with the storyof this young man, Denzel.
Denzel, Denzel, um, who uh wasscooping his father's driveway.
(09:10):
It turned out to be DenzelWashington.
Um, how did you relate to thisstory?
Or how did it speak to you?
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
I don't know, that was a hard story.
Um just the persistence of hismother asking him to obey his
father's request time and timeagain when it appeared that the
father didn't deserve thattreatment from his estranged
son, and um that that was hardto hear.
(09:45):
But God worked good through it,which was great to hear.
And and um I don't know, justseeing how that contributed to
who the man he is, the successhe's ha has had, and I'm sure
the perseverance and characterhe has because of it.
(10:06):
That's what I thought.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
No, it made me think of the what was intended for
evil, what God intended forgood.
And I don't know if it wasnecessarily intended for evil
that he was scraping hisfather's driveway, but a hard
situation.
And God can take somethingthat's exhausting that that
makes you have a hard time andturn it for good, and and that's
(10:28):
why he claims to have suchsuccess his faith in Jesus that
I assume was built on thatdriveway hours and hours every
week getting it done.
unknown (10:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
I really liked how um when he was complaining to
his mom, she pretty much said,It's really not about your
father, it's about you thatyou're continuing to do this.
Um and that, gosh, that's just avery formative piece, I think.
So yeah.
Okay.
Um I one of the things that hekind of wrapped up with there
(11:00):
was God does not ask you tosubmit because the authority is
good.
God asks you to submit becausehe is making you that's what it
was.
Sorry, it was not at the top ofmy notes.
Um But he is so my question kindof along those lines is how can
we reconcile the teaching ofsubmitting?
(11:21):
You know, God teaches us thatwe're supposed to submit, but
how can we reconcile theteaching of submitting to unjust
authority with maintainingpersonal boundaries and
self-respect?
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
I mean, it's hard because like especially not to
touch too much in politics,whatever side you you uh agree
with, it's broken.
There's there's broken aspectsof every single side.
And how can we uh submit to anauthority that we view so
broken?
But what if the submission towhat we view as not right is
(11:59):
exactly what's forming us tochoose love versus choosing to
be right?
And putting our own needs to theside for the second for the sake
of the person across the tablefrom us or across the street
from us.
That's uh that doesn't agreewith you.
But what would it look like tonot choose your own politics,
but to choose the the care andwhat the other person needs?
SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
There's a when things get very controversial
kind of in that respect, there'sa meme that I post a lot that
says, left wing, right wing,it's the same darn bird.
I mean, we are all in thistogether.
And you know, why do we want towish ill for people that may
disagree with us?
It is a different, you know,it's harder.
That submission piece, I think,is harder to swallow or harder
(12:46):
to get to sometimes if we don'tagree with whatever the
authority is.
But um, there's still, you know,uh a way to be honoring, I
think, without necessarilyagreeing with what everything
that somebody is saying orstands for.
SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
Yeah.
We're and we're called toreflect the love of Jesus to
others.
And um I think all of us couldfind things to complain about,
either about the currentadministration or the past
administration or whateverauthority is in place.
Um, but will that attract peopleto the goodness of the Lord?
(13:27):
Probably not.
You know, uh, and a lot of timesit closes doors um instead of
opening them.
And um, like we all agree, andalso throughout the whole Old
Testament, God's power is notdiminished because of a ruler's
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corruptness ever.
In fact, you know, sometimes hecan work more powerfully through
that, and in an instant he canwrite any situation.
He has everything he needs to dothat.
Um, but the Lord, as we know, isplaying the long game and he is
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long suffering, he is patient,and he's a god of for first,
second, third, fourth, fifthchances over and over and over.
So why would we why would we notattempt to emulate that?
So that's what kind of things Ithought about.
SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
So um, one of the things that Seth brought back
from last week's message was theidea that forgiveness is a must,
but trust takes time to adjust.
It's so rame rame.
Um but what role doesforgiveness play in submitting
to unjust authority?
And how can that transformrelationships?
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
Where do you find that to be a fit?
Um usually I feel like when I'mquick to forgive, that's when I
feel the healthiest.
When I'm holding on to um anger,bitterness, unforgiveness.
It is like, you know, thatthere's a saying about
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unforgiveness is a poison thatactually you're swallowing
yourself, that it's eating youfrom the inside out.
And it's so true.
You know, um, there havedefinitely been people in my
life that I've struggled withforgiving.
Um, but yet the Lord's merciesare new every morning.
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And he meets us with new merciesevery morning and says, you
know, what you're lacking, Ihave.
And if you need mercy, the Lordis abounding in mercy.
Lord, would you give me yourmercy to forgive this person
instead of dwelling on do theydeserve it or not?
Like that's not the question.
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Um it's it's about like whatyou've both said.
Um, God is God is good and he'sworking goodness in us.
The corrupt or the justauthority is not even in the
equation, really.
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
So yeah, it's assuming that one side is ten
times worse than your own heart.
Yeah.
And like we love because hefirst loved us.
SPEAKER_03 (16:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Why it's not logical to withhold forgiveness when
you've been given forgivenessyourself.
Right.
You've you've seen and tastedthe grace and you've seen and
tasted the mercy that Jesus hasto offer.
And you're like, actually, thisperson doesn't get it.
I think I know better than Godin this circumstance.
Right.
But no, it's it's so true.
Forgiveness opens up the door toshow be to reflect the light of
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Jesus, to show the love that Hehas for us.
unknown (16:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
But sometimes it just feels so good to hold on to
that grudge, that person whohurt you or wronged you, or that
boss that you didn't like, orlike I just feel like it's so
human.
Like I just think does God doesGod look down and go, ah,
they're so human.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Probably every once in a while.
SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
Like I say, oh, they're so young about my kids
that you know haven't learnedsomething.
Does he just shake his head andthink, okay, when are they gonna
learn?
You know, it really is the best.
Luckily, he looks at us withlove.
Uh, he does.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
And there's nothing we can do that is like shocking
or surprising to him.
There's nothing new under thesun.
All of our shortcomings are thesame shortcomings that humanity
has had from the beginning.
So he knows what we're gonna doand he loves us despite of it,
and he's pursuing us to try toshow us a better way, day in,
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day out, day in, day out.
So that's the good news.
SPEAKER_04 (17:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
No, like yesterday.
I love sweets.
I'll be honest.
That's that's my kryptonite atall times.
Anything chocolate, like don'ttake note of that, Dina.
Yeah, please no.
I don't need any more right now.
Um like yesterday, I I had asmaller lunch and there were
cookies in the break room.
I had like three or fourcookies, and then I wasn't
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terribly I was full, so I didn'treally eat much dinner.
And then I got home, I was like,Oh, I need a snack.
So I got some more sweets, and Iate a couple more cookies.
And like this morning I woke upand I was exhausted, and I was
so tired, and I've been moredrained than I have been in the
past all day.
And it's like that's kind oflike when we don't forgive
people, like it feels so good inthe moment, it feels righteous
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to hold on to that anger.
The cookies are so yummy,they're so good, but I promise
you it doesn't fulfill.
I promise you it it will notlead to longer happiness.
But like what you said, Kate, itit when you forgive, and it's
not about what you feel or whatyou receive, but it's it feels
right in your soul because youas hard as it is to forgive, it
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feels nice to just let go.
Right.
To not hold on to that angeranymore.
SPEAKER_01 (18:57):
And they say your feelings follow your actions.
So even when you don't want toforgive, like try faking it
first, you know, say it outloud.
Just say, I forgive this personin the name of Jesus because
there's power in the name ofJesus.
And I think your heart willstart to change because that's
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what our Lord does.
He changes hard hearts andsoftens them because we cannot
do it on our own.
We'll hold on to the angerrighteously for so long.
SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
We'll flip the tables.
Yeah, because we need to.
SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
Yeah, like we have the authority.
We think we have the authorityto do that, but we don't.
SPEAKER_03 (19:39):
Maybe we need to flip the break room tables that
still contain cookies.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
That'd be good for my heart.
No joke.
Yeah, in my stomach.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
I was gonna say, not just for your heart.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Oh, dirt, maybe good for my heart.
SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
Okay, so um the one of the Bible stories that Seth
talked about was um this uhstory about Rachel.
And Laban, am I saying thatright?
I'm always stressed out when Isay a Bible name on the Laban,
the microphone, folks.
Feel free to send me a note andcorrect me if I'm wrong.
Um but um Chad, do you kind ofwant to summarize what that
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story is or just the gist of it?
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
Yeah, so this is taking place.
If you remember Seth's firstmessage was talking about Jacob
and Esau, there was thisdiscourse and there was a
20-year gap.
So this is taking place in that20-year gap.
And Jacob goes and goes to hisuncle, uh Laban, and he says,
Hey, I I need I need some work.
And in that time, when he getsthere, he sees two of his
daughters, which are actuallyhis cousins.
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A little weird.
He sees one in Seth's very kindin words, ugly.
SPEAKER_04 (20:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And the other one um was beautiful.
Um, and so uh Jacob goes toLaban and says, Hey, you have a
very beautiful daughter.
Can I work as a payment um foryour daughter to take her?
Um and then I will receive her.
And he says, Yes, you can workfor me, sir, for seven years.
And so he works for seven yearsall every day, imagining the
long-term goal that he gets tobe with his wife, his his the
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love of his life.
Seven years later, goes to thewedding night, um, the where
where the marriage wasconsummated, um, Laban hands
Leah instead of Rachel, uh, thenot beautiful daughter, and the
marriage is consummated, andthey wake up the next morning
and Jacob's like, What happened?
This is not what I signed upfor, man.
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And so he says, Well, it is acustom that the older daughter
is given away first, and hesays, But um after this wedding
week, I will give you Rachel ifyou work for another seven
years.
And so he works, he gets Racheland works for another seven
years, and then has two wives,and that's essentially the
story.
And the the hard part um, thatJacob means deceiver, he
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deceived Esau.
Uh, the deceiver gets deceivedby his uncle.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
The tables have turned, not flipped, they've
turned.
Um, I always think it'sinteresting to um read some of
the stories from the OldTestament where just traditions
were so different than, youknow, like how acceptable things
were then that we wouldconsider, you know, not
acceptable now.
And it's just a differentperspective, a different time.
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Not everything like God's word,those things still true.
Can't stay, you know, stays truethe whole Bible.
But some of the customs, youknow, were different then.
So um looking at this story atfirst, I'm like, wait, what?
But but it really then, youknow, kind of goes back to that
piece of um what was acceptableor what was authoritative then,
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you know, that was um submittedto in that story.
Um, how does this story relateto anything in your own life?
Or does it speak to you?
Does it, you know, make youthink of something that we
experience today or somethingyou've experienced?
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
I guess what I think of is um for the longest time I
was I dwelled on the fact thatmy life didn't turn out the way
I had planned it to verydifferent, and you were
deceived.
Yeah.
And and I um and I really waslike focused on myself, which
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never is good, you know, forvery long.
And I felt the Lord just gentlyremind me like, do you think
there's a lot of people whoselives turn out the way they
plan?
And the truth is, most people'slives don't turn out the way
they planned.
God's plan did not turn out theway he had planned.
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You know, in in the Garden ofEden, I mean, I think we make it
two chapters into the Bible.
Um, and that's as far as it goesbefore the plan, you know, is
ruined by our own sin.
Um, so it's very that the storywas very relatable to me,
thinking, oh, I planned forthis, this is what I expect, I
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work hard, you know, this iswhat I should get.
Well, that doesn't happen.
So that's how I could relate.
SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Yeah, like for me, I I loved Seth's points at the
end, and I may be skipping aheadhere.
No, God.
Um, but just the beauty thatsubmission leads to beauty.
Um in this story, submission ofseven years, fourteen years
ended up getting him his wifethat he wanted all along.
Um, and not necessarilysubmitting for the sake of the
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reward, but knowing that thatGod God gets it, He cares for
us.
Um, and the one my favoritepoint out of out of the four of
his points from the message wasthat your submission plants
seeds that may outlive you.
And I I love it, especiallybecause this story, um, Jacob
and Rachel is the line that goesto Jesus.
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And without that submission ofseven extra years of work, the
story wouldn't have looked likehow it did today.
And it's it that it's the beautyin in the midst of that, that
submission today, you'd have noidea how God can use that.
It's gonna be hard.
Forgiveness is gonna be hard.
That person that that made youangry or frustrated will will
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probably hurt you again.
And but there's a choice to lovethem, to do what God's calling
you to do or not.
But just what what what whatcould that step today lead to in
20 years, in a hundred years,and thousands of years?
SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
That's really good.
Yeah, that is good.
SPEAKER_03 (25:36):
So Seth mentioned some specific biblical
references where Jesus, Peter,and even Paul discussed
submission.
Did any of these like jump outat you and how do they apply
practically today?
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, I wrote these down.
Um, Peter spoke to the church,Paul was speaking to the Roman
church, and Jesus was spoke tothe unjust authority, and and
all of them highlighted thecommand to submit to authority,
and submission is not the sameas obedience, right?
(26:14):
And so um, you know, we arenever to violate what the Lord
has commanded us to do if anearthly authority should declare
it.
Um but submission looksdifferent.
Um, and one question Seth said,is there honor to be given?
(26:34):
And the answer is yes.
So it's that fine line betweenobedience, submission, and
honor, and finding what thatlooks like from day to day.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Submission is not obedience, it's really good.
SPEAKER_01 (26:51):
Yeah.
I actually stole that from KevinMcClure, so shout out to Kevin.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
Good job, Kevin.
That's such a blowing my mind.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
He's a major theologian.
Yeah, he goes deep.
Yeah, he does.
SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
No, I thought of uh Jesus's um talking about
authority and give to Caesarswhat is Caesar's kind of similar
thing.
Wow, submission is notobedience.
That's really good.
But it's it's hard.
Like in again, we like to takeit back to the political scene,
(27:25):
every president has donesomething that is not perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
How do you uh submit while realizing that they're
imperfect and they're not gonnado what Jesus is gonna do?
unknown (27:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
And I think when we see imperfect, possibly corrupt
leaders who fall short, itshould like urge our heart to
desire the perfect leader, whichis only Jesus, right?
He is the ultimate perfectauthority.
Every other earthly authoritywill fall short.
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And it's wrong to put our fullhope in any earthly leader.
You're going to be let down andyou're deceiving yourself if you
think one, oh, this leader willfigure it all out.
Maybe, yeah, but probably not.
SPEAKER_03 (28:19):
So I think it also should spur us to pray for our
leaders.
I mean, I think there's a a timewhere we get to where we don't
respect someone or we don't wantto honor them as a leader when
that's not the right attitude,we should be praying that God is
speaking to them and that theyare open to hearing, you know,
God's desire for his nation, forhis world, for his people, you
(28:41):
know, and how can that leaderhelp um promote that instead of
us praying for a demise orpraying for someone else to, you
know, win the vote next time orwhatever.
How are we praying for thepeople in power that they can
lead in the way that Goddesires?
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Right.
And teach our children to dothat too.
Because that's such a healthierresponse than teaching your
kids.
Like, this is the one rightparty.
This one, oh no.
You know, like, sure, you canteach your children like these
are values that we value.
We see this in this party, wesee this in this party.
But above all, we're gonna prayfor our leader that they would
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know the Lord and his authorityand would do their job in light
of that.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
So I kept thinking of when even before um Seth was
kind of talking about theinstances of Jesus and Peter and
Paul, I kept thinking of thestory of Daniel and how, you
know, the the bad guys convincedthe king to make the rule that
you couldn't pray to anyone elseexcept the king.
And Daniel continued, he washonoring of his king and
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submitted to the king'sauthority, like was very
accepting of the punishment thatwas laid down, but he continued
to obey God's word.
You know what I mean?
And and and even to the point ofgetting thrown in the lion's
den.
Um, that story just kept pingingup on my radar um the whole time
that Seth was talking aboutsubmission of authority.
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I thought that was another goodbiblical example of somebody
that was submitting to theauthority, that was um, you
know, leading at the time, butstill obeying God's word.
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
And look what God did through that obedience.
I mean, incredible things.
Yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:32):
All right, guys, as we wrap up today, what are your
final takeaways from thismessage two of our Family
Matters series?
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
I think the world is fleeting.
Um everything is is fleeting,everything's meaningless.
I'll go Ecclesiastes on us.
Um but just to take it back tothe importance of love, do
everything in your life to forthe for the big why of to love
the other person, to share thelove of Jesus with them.
(31:01):
That love will transformsomeone's life faster than
rebellion, than talking bad,than unforgiveness.
And yeah, to love.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
Yeah, people were attracted to Jesus.
They were drawn to him becauseof his love and his kindness and
his ability to not be in ahurry.
And we want to, we want to dothat too.
We want people to say, like,what is why are you different?
You know, what is the source ofthat joy?
And if if you're arguing anddebating earthly authority,
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like, I don't know how much joyit's gonna be in that.
And we're getting close toChristmas, and I, you know, we
love the Christmas story, but Ijust, as I I'm a broken record,
but when you tell the Christmasstory, I think it's so important
to say, finish it with, andJesus is coming back.
He's coming back.
(31:56):
The story is not over.
He he will come down and reignon earth as the perfect ruler.
And right now we are to bepreparing for that day.
And we want people, the peoplearound us to know that Jesus is
coming back.
He is a God of his word.
There is nothing he says that hedoes not do, so we can have full
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confidence that we will see himface to face one day.
And I pray that those around mewill be able to claim him as
their Lord.
Can I get an amen?
SPEAKER_03 (32:31):
Amen.
There you go.
It's just a mic drop.
That's it.
That's it.
I'm sorry, we're done.
The end.
Um, I really went back to afterthe whole message and after I
went back and watched it aswell.
I just went back to the Denzelstory at the beginning and it
being not about what the whatthe dad was doing.
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It was about what I'm doing.
You know what I mean?
Like, am I living the way thatGod wants me to?
Am I doing my best in thatrespect?
Am I treating others?
Am I showing love?
Am I being forgiving?
Am I obeying God?
You know, um, that am I, what amI doing?
And how does that affect theworld around me?
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Because I can't control otherpeople, but I can control what I
do.
That's really my takeaway.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here today.
I'm so happy to have you.
And we will have week three ofFamily Matters this Sunday,
which is also cozy ChristmasSunday at all of our campuses.
So yeah, Christmas jammies,sweaters, ugly Christmas
(33:37):
sweaters.
I want to see some funny hats,or you know, uh, I don't I don't
know.
Surprise me.
Yeah, all right.
But until then, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our sermon
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dina Newsom, and Ihave some wonderful guests
today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves, guys.
Kate Solberg.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
My name is Chad Kelly.
SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
Why did that feel awkward?
Don't know.
Nope.
SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
I oversee student ministry here at King of Kings.
Kate, what do you do?
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
I'm the associate campus director at our Northwest
Omaha campus.
Great.
Thank you guys so much for beinghere in the midst of our crazy
Christmas season.
Oh yeah.
Uh things gear up, not just forfamilies, but here at churches.
So my question for you is whatis your most favorite and the
least favorite thing about theChristmas season?
(00:51):
It can be work-related, it canbe personal.
What do you got?
Most favorite, least favorite.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
I mean, my least favorite is that I don't really
like the cold.
I'm a I'm a warm body, so I liketo be like I'd love to live near
a beach.
Um, so the cold has been alittle rough when it was zero or
negative eight, it felt like theother day.
That was that was too much forme.
SPEAKER_03 (01:14):
Welcome to Nebraska.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yeah, it's not fun.
I was talking to someone theother the other week who's been
in Nebraska for a while, and itwas like 10 degrees when we were
talking.
And he goes, Oh, just wait,it'll get 50 degrees lower.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
50?
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
He said last year it felt like negative 40 one time
because the wind.
It's insane.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
I block it out.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
That's my least favorite thing about the
Christmas season.
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Well, I thought about my most favorite, and
that's my secret way to entrapmy children into my presence is
by playing games, usually cardgames.
And they don't listen to thispodcast because why would they
listen to a podcast that theirmom is on?
But um, I'm always like, oh mygosh, I found the coolest game.
I'm so excited to play it.
(01:57):
And that's my way that they'restuck with me for at least an
hour or so, and they are not ontheir phone as much.
Christmas Entrapment.
Got it.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
Is there a favorite game that you guys play?
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
Uh we really like five crowns.
Okay.
And that takes a good chunk oftime to play.
But I just ordered two newgames.
One's like Uzzle.
Oh, with the pictures.
SPEAKER_03 (02:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The images.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That looks very interesting.
Because I've uh seen thateverywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Yeah.
I yeah.
I was just looking on Amazon,like the top games, and that was
one of them.
And I have nephews that are likefifth grade through 11th grade.
So I have to have like a rangeof games to entrap them all.
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Yeah.
My favorite part is givinggifts.
I love rapping.
I love watching someone open thegift.
I love trying to find a giftthat's something they mentioned
six months ago that they'llnever remember that I
remembered.
Like that's my, I don't likeshopping off a list.
I like, like, what are theyreally into right now?
And then I find something atsome weird craft fair or online.
(03:06):
Or yeah, just remember that,hey, this summer they said that
they need a new, I don't know,like shine remover for their car
or some random, like, I don'tknow, make something up and I'm
like, haha, I got it forChristmas.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Does that equally stress you out when like you
don't don't have anything forsomeone and you have to find
something to gift them?
SPEAKER_03 (03:26):
You know, I'm also a fan of gift cards.
If I can't find the perfectgift, then it's just find the
perfect place.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
And that works too.
That's good.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
You would not be happy with my family.
My parents were like, we're donewith gifts forever.
Really?
We're not buying you any and wedon't want any from you.
Period.
I was like, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
I love gifts.
Like I was the mom that when mykids were little, I everything
that we bought anywhere withinthe six weeks of Christmas got
wrapped.
Like if they needed toothpaste,that was getting wrapped and put
under the tree.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (04:04):
Boxes of tissues wrapped and under the tree.
Hey, here's toilet paper wrappedin under the tree.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
That's exciting.
That must be your love language.
SPEAKER_03 (04:15):
Gifts, is it?
Uh actually, it's not.
Oh my.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
She just says all of them.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Dang.
Yeah.
What do I hate?
I don't know what I hate aboutthe Christmas season.
I'm really a big fan ofChristmas.
I like the magic, the wonder,the sparkle, just the
excitement.
I like the cold.
I like the snow.
I like lights.
I don't I don't know what I hatewhen it's over.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
That's what I That's what I was gonna say.
The day you have to take yourtree down, it's like, uh, now
all that's left is January andFebruary.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Where it gets really cold.
Yeah.
And that'll be really sad.
SPEAKER_03 (04:49):
Sometimes my tree doesn't come down until May.
So I just push that up.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
May that's a hot take.
SPEAKER_03 (04:54):
One time, one time we were celebrating my son's
birthday is in April, and myChristmas tree was still up when
we were celebrating my son'sbirthday.
And my daughters challenged meto leave it up all year.
So I did just because you didn'ttake the tree down.
I didn't take it down.
It just stayed up till the nextChristmas.
And then I took it down.
Did you in February?
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Did you excited about Christmas though?
Yeah.
I'm excited about Christmas allthe time.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (05:18):
Because I had to put up other stuff.
Like I took the stockings downand the other decor down.
SPEAKER_00 (05:23):
It was just the tree that's how many like seasonal
decorations do you do in yourhome?
SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
Okay.
So right now I do very fewbecause right now my house is
just two people.
So I do less and less.
Um, I just contribute todecorations at other people's
homes that I visit, like mydaughter or my father.
unknown (05:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:44):
You smuggle stuff.
They have plenty of decor forall of us.
That's funny.
SPEAKER_00 (05:48):
My mom has always done an obscene amount of
decorating every season.
And like it's the workoutwhenever I go home.
You gotta take Fox upstairs andbring them back downstairs, and
it's exhausting.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
My mom had a whole one of those like little
villages, you know.
She's passed since then.
But she likes that coming outevery year.
Oh, yeah.
It was called Linda Land.
Her name was Linda.
And then she would name thestreets and the houses, and this
lake was such and such lake.
And like she it was, yeah.
And then she'd add to it everyyear.
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
My grandma uh she would collect uh Santas, and so
she had hundreds of Santas thatwould stay in her home all year
round.
And so now that she's passed acouple years ago, the the the
tradition we're starting is youSanta whoever hosts
Thanksgiving.
So you bring 20 or 30 ofgrandma's Santas and you hide
them around their house.
And we just got the text acouple days ago.
(06:40):
We found the last Santa.
SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
That's amazing.
That's kind of a fun challenge.
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
That is really fun.
Wow.
All right.
Well, we are getting ready forChristmas here at King of Kings
by talking about anotherChristmas, maybe love, maybe
struggle for some people.
Family.
Family matters is our currentseries, and Pastor Seth Flick is
taking us us through it.
We are in week two right now,where we are really talking
(07:08):
about kind of the parentalrelationship.
Last week we talked aboutsiblings, and so this week it
was about parents or people in aposition of authority.
What did you guys what are youtaking beyond Sunday from this
week's message?
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
I just loved the line that Seth would say that it
helped me remind me.
What did what was his main line?
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
The forgiveness one or about being good.
SPEAKER_00 (07:34):
Um it is not the parent that makes you, there's
not the someone help me out.
SPEAKER_03 (07:39):
Um it's not about him, it's about you.
That's what I that's the shortversion that I have.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
It's not the good of the person, it's the good that
the Lord's making you into.
And it's like so many times inour life, whether it's as simple
as like working out or as hardas uh forgiving a family member
or doing something for someonewho just doesn't have the best
authority in your life.
Um it's not about the otherperson, it's about how God's
forming you into be the personthat He's calling you to be.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
Yeah, that was good.
Um and then he referenced hisforgiveness is a must, but trust
takes time to adjust.
That was when you're talkingabout family relationships, I
don't that forgiveness is a bigit's a big part of it that we
all need.
SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
So um, I really liked that he circled around
because family can be a struggleand talked about how you can
love and you can forgive and youcan submit to authority, but
that doesn't mean that you can'tset boundaries for yourself.
So if you have someone thatyou've had a hard relationship
with or that has mistreated youor that doesn't agree with some
of your beliefs, you can lovethem and you can forgive them,
(08:49):
but you can still set your ownboundaries.
Um, and he talked about that thefirst week also.
I just liked that he reiteratedthat it can be kind of touchy.
So um he opened with the storyof this young man, Denzel.
Denzel, Denzel, um, who uh wasscooping his father's driveway.
(09:10):
It turned out to be DenzelWashington.
Um, how did you relate to thisstory?
Or how did it speak to you?
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
I don't know, that was a hard story.
Um just the persistence of hismother asking him to obey his
father's request time and timeagain when it appeared that the
father didn't deserve thattreatment from his estranged
son, and um that that was hardto hear.
(09:45):
But God worked good through it,which was great to hear.
And and um I don't know, justseeing how that contributed to
who the man he is, the successhe's ha has had, and I'm sure
the perseverance and characterhe has because of it.
(10:06):
That's what I thought.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
No, it made me think of the what was intended for
evil, what God intended forgood.
And I don't know if it wasnecessarily intended for evil
that he was scraping hisfather's driveway, but a hard
situation.
And God can take somethingthat's exhausting that that
makes you have a hard time andturn it for good, and and that's
(10:28):
why he claims to have suchsuccess his faith in Jesus that
I assume was built on thatdriveway hours and hours every
week getting it done.
unknown (10:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
I really liked how um when he was complaining to
his mom, she pretty much said,It's really not about your
father, it's about you thatyou're continuing to do this.
Um and that, gosh, that's just avery formative piece, I think.
So yeah.
Okay.
Um I one of the things that hekind of wrapped up with there
(11:00):
was God does not ask you tosubmit because the authority is
good.
God asks you to submit becausehe is making you that's what it
was.
Sorry, it was not at the top ofmy notes.
Um But he is so my question kindof along those lines is how can
we reconcile the teaching ofsubmitting?
(11:21):
You know, God teaches us thatwe're supposed to submit, but
how can we reconcile theteaching of submitting to unjust
authority with maintainingpersonal boundaries and
self-respect?
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
I mean, it's hard because like especially not to
touch too much in politics,whatever side you you uh agree
with, it's broken.
There's there's broken aspectsof every single side.
And how can we uh submit to anauthority that we view so
broken?
But what if the submission towhat we view as not right is
(11:59):
exactly what's forming us tochoose love versus choosing to
be right?
And putting our own needs to theside for the second for the sake
of the person across the tablefrom us or across the street
from us.
That's uh that doesn't agreewith you.
But what would it look like tonot choose your own politics,
but to choose the the care andwhat the other person needs?
SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
There's a when things get very controversial
kind of in that respect, there'sa meme that I post a lot that
says, left wing, right wing,it's the same darn bird.
I mean, we are all in thistogether.
And you know, why do we want towish ill for people that may
disagree with us?
It is a different, you know,it's harder.
That submission piece, I think,is harder to swallow or harder
(12:46):
to get to sometimes if we don'tagree with whatever the
authority is.
But um, there's still, you know,uh a way to be honoring, I
think, without necessarilyagreeing with what everything
that somebody is saying orstands for.
SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
Yeah.
We're and we're called toreflect the love of Jesus to
others.
And um I think all of us couldfind things to complain about,
either about the currentadministration or the past
administration or whateverauthority is in place.
Um, but will that attract peopleto the goodness of the Lord?
(13:27):
Probably not.
You know, uh, and a lot of timesit closes doors um instead of
opening them.
And um, like we all agree, andalso throughout the whole Old
Testament, God's power is notdiminished because of a ruler's
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corruptness ever.
In fact, you know, sometimes hecan work more powerfully through
that, and in an instant he canwrite any situation.
He has everything he needs to dothat.
Um, but the Lord, as we know, isplaying the long game and he is
(14:09):
long suffering, he is patient,and he's a god of for first,
second, third, fourth, fifthchances over and over and over.
So why would we why would we notattempt to emulate that?
So that's what kind of things Ithought about.
SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
So um, one of the things that Seth brought back
from last week's message was theidea that forgiveness is a must,
but trust takes time to adjust.
It's so rame rame.
Um but what role doesforgiveness play in submitting
to unjust authority?
And how can that transformrelationships?
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
Where do you find that to be a fit?
Um usually I feel like when I'mquick to forgive, that's when I
feel the healthiest.
When I'm holding on to um anger,bitterness, unforgiveness.
It is like, you know, thatthere's a saying about
(15:12):
unforgiveness is a poison thatactually you're swallowing
yourself, that it's eating youfrom the inside out.
And it's so true.
You know, um, there havedefinitely been people in my
life that I've struggled withforgiving.
Um, but yet the Lord's merciesare new every morning.
(15:35):
And he meets us with new merciesevery morning and says, you
know, what you're lacking, Ihave.
And if you need mercy, the Lordis abounding in mercy.
Lord, would you give me yourmercy to forgive this person
instead of dwelling on do theydeserve it or not?
Like that's not the question.
(15:56):
Um it's it's about like whatyou've both said.
Um, God is God is good and he'sworking goodness in us.
The corrupt or the justauthority is not even in the
equation, really.
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
So yeah, it's assuming that one side is ten
times worse than your own heart.
Yeah.
And like we love because hefirst loved us.
SPEAKER_03 (16:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Why it's not logical to withhold forgiveness when
you've been given forgivenessyourself.
Right.
You've you've seen and tastedthe grace and you've seen and
tasted the mercy that Jesus hasto offer.
And you're like, actually, thisperson doesn't get it.
I think I know better than Godin this circumstance.
Right.
But no, it's it's so true.
Forgiveness opens up the door toshow be to reflect the light of
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Jesus, to show the love that Hehas for us.
unknown (16:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
But sometimes it just feels so good to hold on to
that grudge, that person whohurt you or wronged you, or that
boss that you didn't like, orlike I just feel like it's so
human.
Like I just think does God doesGod look down and go, ah,
they're so human.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Probably every once in a while.
SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
Like I say, oh, they're so young about my kids
that you know haven't learnedsomething.
Does he just shake his head andthink, okay, when are they gonna
learn?
You know, it really is the best.
Luckily, he looks at us withlove.
Uh, he does.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
And there's nothing we can do that is like shocking
or surprising to him.
There's nothing new under thesun.
All of our shortcomings are thesame shortcomings that humanity
has had from the beginning.
So he knows what we're gonna doand he loves us despite of it,
and he's pursuing us to try toshow us a better way, day in,
(17:46):
day out, day in, day out.
So that's the good news.
SPEAKER_04 (17:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
No, like yesterday.
I love sweets.
I'll be honest.
That's that's my kryptonite atall times.
Anything chocolate, like don'ttake note of that, Dina.
Yeah, please no.
I don't need any more right now.
Um like yesterday, I I had asmaller lunch and there were
cookies in the break room.
I had like three or fourcookies, and then I wasn't
(18:10):
terribly I was full, so I didn'treally eat much dinner.
And then I got home, I was like,Oh, I need a snack.
So I got some more sweets, and Iate a couple more cookies.
And like this morning I woke upand I was exhausted, and I was
so tired, and I've been moredrained than I have been in the
past all day.
And it's like that's kind oflike when we don't forgive
people, like it feels so good inthe moment, it feels righteous
(18:32):
to hold on to that anger.
The cookies are so yummy,they're so good, but I promise
you it doesn't fulfill.
I promise you it it will notlead to longer happiness.
But like what you said, Kate, itit when you forgive, and it's
not about what you feel or whatyou receive, but it's it feels
right in your soul because youas hard as it is to forgive, it
(18:53):
feels nice to just let go.
Right.
To not hold on to that angeranymore.
SPEAKER_01 (18:57):
And they say your feelings follow your actions.
So even when you don't want toforgive, like try faking it
first, you know, say it outloud.
Just say, I forgive this personin the name of Jesus because
there's power in the name ofJesus.
And I think your heart willstart to change because that's
(19:18):
what our Lord does.
He changes hard hearts andsoftens them because we cannot
do it on our own.
We'll hold on to the angerrighteously for so long.
SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
We'll flip the tables.
Yeah, because we need to.
SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
Yeah, like we have the authority.
We think we have the authorityto do that, but we don't.
SPEAKER_03 (19:39):
Maybe we need to flip the break room tables that
still contain cookies.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
That'd be good for my heart.
No joke.
Yeah, in my stomach.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
I was gonna say, not just for your heart.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Oh, dirt, maybe good for my heart.
SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
Okay, so um the one of the Bible stories that Seth
talked about was um this uhstory about Rachel.
And Laban, am I saying thatright?
I'm always stressed out when Isay a Bible name on the Laban,
the microphone, folks.
Feel free to send me a note andcorrect me if I'm wrong.
Um but um Chad, do you kind ofwant to summarize what that
(20:15):
story is or just the gist of it?
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
Yeah, so this is taking place.
If you remember Seth's firstmessage was talking about Jacob
and Esau, there was thisdiscourse and there was a
20-year gap.
So this is taking place in that20-year gap.
And Jacob goes and goes to hisuncle, uh Laban, and he says,
Hey, I I need I need some work.
And in that time, when he getsthere, he sees two of his
daughters, which are actuallyhis cousins.
(20:38):
A little weird.
He sees one in Seth's very kindin words, ugly.
SPEAKER_04 (20:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And the other one um was beautiful.
Um, and so uh Jacob goes toLaban and says, Hey, you have a
very beautiful daughter.
Can I work as a payment um foryour daughter to take her?
Um and then I will receive her.
And he says, Yes, you can workfor me, sir, for seven years.
And so he works for seven yearsall every day, imagining the
long-term goal that he gets tobe with his wife, his his the
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love of his life.
Seven years later, goes to thewedding night, um, the where
where the marriage wasconsummated, um, Laban hands
Leah instead of Rachel, uh, thenot beautiful daughter, and the
marriage is consummated, andthey wake up the next morning
and Jacob's like, What happened?
This is not what I signed upfor, man.
(21:27):
And so he says, Well, it is acustom that the older daughter
is given away first, and hesays, But um after this wedding
week, I will give you Rachel ifyou work for another seven
years.
And so he works, he gets Racheland works for another seven
years, and then has two wives,and that's essentially the
story.
And the the hard part um, thatJacob means deceiver, he
(21:48):
deceived Esau.
Uh, the deceiver gets deceivedby his uncle.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
The tables have turned, not flipped, they've
turned.
Um, I always think it'sinteresting to um read some of
the stories from the OldTestament where just traditions
were so different than, youknow, like how acceptable things
were then that we wouldconsider, you know, not
acceptable now.
And it's just a differentperspective, a different time.
(22:14):
Not everything like God's word,those things still true.
Can't stay, you know, stays truethe whole Bible.
But some of the customs, youknow, were different then.
So um looking at this story atfirst, I'm like, wait, what?
But but it really then, youknow, kind of goes back to that
piece of um what was acceptableor what was authoritative then,
(22:36):
you know, that was um submittedto in that story.
Um, how does this story relateto anything in your own life?
Or does it speak to you?
Does it, you know, make youthink of something that we
experience today or somethingyou've experienced?
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
I guess what I think of is um for the longest time I
was I dwelled on the fact thatmy life didn't turn out the way
I had planned it to verydifferent, and you were
deceived.
Yeah.
And and I um and I really waslike focused on myself, which
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never is good, you know, forvery long.
And I felt the Lord just gentlyremind me like, do you think
there's a lot of people whoselives turn out the way they
plan?
And the truth is, most people'slives don't turn out the way
they planned.
God's plan did not turn out theway he had planned.
(23:40):
You know, in in the Garden ofEden, I mean, I think we make it
two chapters into the Bible.
Um, and that's as far as it goesbefore the plan, you know, is
ruined by our own sin.
Um, so it's very that the storywas very relatable to me,
thinking, oh, I planned forthis, this is what I expect, I
(24:01):
work hard, you know, this iswhat I should get.
Well, that doesn't happen.
So that's how I could relate.
SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Yeah, like for me, I I loved Seth's points at the
end, and I may be skipping aheadhere.
No, God.
Um, but just the beauty thatsubmission leads to beauty.
Um in this story, submission ofseven years, fourteen years
ended up getting him his wifethat he wanted all along.
Um, and not necessarilysubmitting for the sake of the
(24:33):
reward, but knowing that thatGod God gets it, He cares for
us.
Um, and the one my favoritepoint out of out of the four of
his points from the message wasthat your submission plants
seeds that may outlive you.
And I I love it, especiallybecause this story, um, Jacob
and Rachel is the line that goesto Jesus.
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And without that submission ofseven extra years of work, the
story wouldn't have looked likehow it did today.
And it's it that it's the beautyin in the midst of that, that
submission today, you'd have noidea how God can use that.
It's gonna be hard.
Forgiveness is gonna be hard.
That person that that made youangry or frustrated will will
(25:16):
probably hurt you again.
And but there's a choice to lovethem, to do what God's calling
you to do or not.
But just what what what whatcould that step today lead to in
20 years, in a hundred years,and thousands of years?
SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
That's really good.
Yeah, that is good.
SPEAKER_03 (25:36):
So Seth mentioned some specific biblical
references where Jesus, Peter,and even Paul discussed
submission.
Did any of these like jump outat you and how do they apply
practically today?
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, I wrote these down.
Um, Peter spoke to the church,Paul was speaking to the Roman
church, and Jesus was spoke tothe unjust authority, and and
all of them highlighted thecommand to submit to authority,
and submission is not the sameas obedience, right?
(26:14):
And so um, you know, we arenever to violate what the Lord
has commanded us to do if anearthly authority should declare
it.
Um but submission looksdifferent.
Um, and one question Seth said,is there honor to be given?
(26:34):
And the answer is yes.
So it's that fine line betweenobedience, submission, and
honor, and finding what thatlooks like from day to day.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Submission is not obedience, it's really good.
SPEAKER_01 (26:51):
Yeah.
I actually stole that from KevinMcClure, so shout out to Kevin.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
Good job, Kevin.
That's such a blowing my mind.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
He's a major theologian.
Yeah, he goes deep.
Yeah, he does.
SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
No, I thought of uh Jesus's um talking about
authority and give to Caesarswhat is Caesar's kind of similar
thing.
Wow, submission is notobedience.
That's really good.
But it's it's hard.
Like in again, we like to takeit back to the political scene,
(27:25):
every president has donesomething that is not perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
How do you uh submit while realizing that they're
imperfect and they're not gonnado what Jesus is gonna do?
unknown (27:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
And I think when we see imperfect, possibly corrupt
leaders who fall short, itshould like urge our heart to
desire the perfect leader, whichis only Jesus, right?
He is the ultimate perfectauthority.
Every other earthly authoritywill fall short.
(28:02):
And it's wrong to put our fullhope in any earthly leader.
You're going to be let down andyou're deceiving yourself if you
think one, oh, this leader willfigure it all out.
Maybe, yeah, but probably not.
SPEAKER_03 (28:19):
So I think it also should spur us to pray for our
leaders.
I mean, I think there's a a timewhere we get to where we don't
respect someone or we don't wantto honor them as a leader when
that's not the right attitude,we should be praying that God is
speaking to them and that theyare open to hearing, you know,
God's desire for his nation, forhis world, for his people, you
(28:41):
know, and how can that leaderhelp um promote that instead of
us praying for a demise orpraying for someone else to, you
know, win the vote next time orwhatever.
How are we praying for thepeople in power that they can
lead in the way that Goddesires?
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Right.
And teach our children to dothat too.
Because that's such a healthierresponse than teaching your
kids.
Like, this is the one rightparty.
This one, oh no.
You know, like, sure, you canteach your children like these
are values that we value.
We see this in this party, wesee this in this party.
But above all, we're gonna prayfor our leader that they would
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know the Lord and his authorityand would do their job in light
of that.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
So I kept thinking of when even before um Seth was
kind of talking about theinstances of Jesus and Peter and
Paul, I kept thinking of thestory of Daniel and how, you
know, the the bad guys convincedthe king to make the rule that
you couldn't pray to anyone elseexcept the king.
And Daniel continued, he washonoring of his king and
(29:50):
submitted to the king'sauthority, like was very
accepting of the punishment thatwas laid down, but he continued
to obey God's word.
You know what I mean?
And and and even to the point ofgetting thrown in the lion's
den.
Um, that story just kept pingingup on my radar um the whole time
that Seth was talking aboutsubmission of authority.
(30:11):
I thought that was another goodbiblical example of somebody
that was submitting to theauthority, that was um, you
know, leading at the time, butstill obeying God's word.
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
And look what God did through that obedience.
I mean, incredible things.
Yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:32):
All right, guys, as we wrap up today, what are your
final takeaways from thismessage two of our Family
Matters series?
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
I think the world is fleeting.
Um everything is is fleeting,everything's meaningless.
I'll go Ecclesiastes on us.
Um but just to take it back tothe importance of love, do
everything in your life to forthe for the big why of to love
the other person, to share thelove of Jesus with them.
(31:01):
That love will transformsomeone's life faster than
rebellion, than talking bad,than unforgiveness.
And yeah, to love.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
Yeah, people were attracted to Jesus.
They were drawn to him becauseof his love and his kindness and
his ability to not be in ahurry.
And we want to, we want to dothat too.
We want people to say, like,what is why are you different?
You know, what is the source ofthat joy?
And if if you're arguing anddebating earthly authority,
(31:35):
like, I don't know how much joyit's gonna be in that.
And we're getting close toChristmas, and I, you know, we
love the Christmas story, but Ijust, as I I'm a broken record,
but when you tell the Christmasstory, I think it's so important
to say, finish it with, andJesus is coming back.
He's coming back.
(31:56):
The story is not over.
He he will come down and reignon earth as the perfect ruler.
And right now we are to bepreparing for that day.
And we want people, the peoplearound us to know that Jesus is
coming back.
He is a God of his word.
There is nothing he says that hedoes not do, so we can have full
(32:19):
confidence that we will see himface to face one day.
And I pray that those around mewill be able to claim him as
their Lord.
Can I get an amen?
SPEAKER_03 (32:31):
Amen.
There you go.
It's just a mic drop.
That's it.
That's it.
I'm sorry, we're done.
The end.
Um, I really went back to afterthe whole message and after I
went back and watched it aswell.
I just went back to the Denzelstory at the beginning and it
being not about what the whatthe dad was doing.
(32:54):
It was about what I'm doing.
You know what I mean?
Like, am I living the way thatGod wants me to?
Am I doing my best in thatrespect?
Am I treating others?
Am I showing love?
Am I being forgiving?
Am I obeying God?
You know, um, that am I, what amI doing?
And how does that affect theworld around me?
(33:15):
Because I can't control otherpeople, but I can control what I
do.
That's really my takeaway.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here today.
I'm so happy to have you.
And we will have week three ofFamily Matters this Sunday,
which is also cozy ChristmasSunday at all of our campuses.
So yeah, Christmas jammies,sweaters, ugly Christmas
(33:37):
sweaters.
I want to see some funny hats,or you know, uh, I don't I don't
know.
Surprise me.
Yeah, all right.
But until then, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday.
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