September 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Dina, Pastor Seth, and Chad close out the Game On series with a powerful look at David’s greatest failure and what it teaches us about temptation, grace, and restoration. Using Fortnite as a lens, they explore how daily spiritual habits position us against sin—and how God’s unlimited grace offers us a fresh start every time we fall.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingbeyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I amblessed to have some great
guests that I get to work withoften around here.
Now Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Chad Kelly, the student ministry intern here at
King of Kings.
Been here about two and a halfmonths, something like that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And I am Seth.
I thought you were going to saytwo and a half years.
No, not two and a half years.
I also have been here.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Does it feel like that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I mean some days it feels like I've been here for
two days and some days it feelslike I've been here for two and
a half years.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, as ministry can feel.
I half years, yeah, as ministrycan be.
I'm Seth, I get to be thecampus director here at the
Miller campus for King of Kingsand I also again have been here
since July 1st was both of ourstep dates.
So you know old pros, exactly,been here forever, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yep, just like it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yep, I've been here two years, so I do have you in a
little, almost two and a halfyears yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But yeah, did you introduce yourself?
Though I did introduce myself.
It's part of my normal routine.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But did you get to tell everybody that's listening,
like what you get to do as youserve here?
Well, no, not really.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
They just know me as the podcast host.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, but you're amazing.
They need to know that I am the.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Miller.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Associate Campus Director here at this campus,
and then I also get to be thecentral director of events for
our large scale communityoutreach events, and that's what
I really, really love.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Not this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, I love the podcast yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I wear a lot of hats.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Like, I have a lot of little hats and I like them all
in some way.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it's a very complete wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Complete wardrobe.
I've never I've heard the hatanalogy.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I've never heard a wardrobe analogy for a job, we
need to get her a cape and a hat, and just like a wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh yeah, all labeled with all of her different job
descriptions.
There you go.
Yeah, one for each.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, thank you guys for being here today.
We this week finished up ourGame On series, which we've been
working through the last monthand Pastor Zach Zender has been
leading us through this.
Look at the story of David inlight of, or in the view of,
popular video games.
And this week it was talkingabout Fortnite.
And so first, have you guysplayed Fortnite?
(02:17):
Are you Fortnite players?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I have played Fortnite.
I'm very bad like, maybe worsethan Zach, so I hopped on once.
In the last church that I wasat, we also had a school and
some of the other kids wereactually playing the game and it
was hilarious because my sontold them like my dad's playing
on my account, and so theyrallied around me to protect me
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and they were like a hundredplayers in this from all over
the world, protect the pastor,protect the pastor Thou shalt
not kill my pastor and they'rejust like, oh, shoot.
And I'm like no, turn the othercheek.
But I'm really bad Like thewhole idea of like um, moving
with one directional pad in onedirection and then having the
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other directional pad on thecontroller to do like the head
up and down.
It actually makes me emotionsick to watch it for too long
and to do it because my eyesjust lock in and it makes me
want to barf.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So I'm not a fortnight guy or call of duty or
anything like that I played inhigh school um, like when the
big rush was happening and allthe first, before any of the big
updates and I played when itwas actually impressive to get a
victory royale, because now youget them left and right.
I remember when I first got myvictory royale was with a buddy
in high school and it was themost electric and amazing moment
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of my life ever.
And then you got married, or,and then I, and then I am.
It's definitely not in the top10 anymore, okay, but but yeah,
it was awesome.
It was awesome.
Yeah, a rite of passage, Iwould say.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I have played Fortnite Not often, but my son
was in the thick of the crazewhen it came out and I can
remember him coming and tellingme hey, mom, I want to download
this free game on Xbox, and I'malways about free, sure, great.
What is it?
Well, it's you and a hundredother people and you all just
kill each other, and I was likeoh, what an explanation Um let's
talk about this a little bitmore.
(04:09):
Can I get some more details?
But once he got into it then hewas constantly like mom, you
come come play with me, comeplay with me.
So one time, the very firsttime I played I've played more
than once, but not often thevery first time I played I got
on.
I knew nothing of what I wasdoing.
I am not familiar with Xboxcontrollers, so the whole two
joystick movement and view wasvery confusing to me and I
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panicked, like someone came upon me.
I panicked, I just hit a bunchof buttons and I killed someone
with my pickaxe.
Wow, that's impressive, and myson called me savage, and I
think that is the bestcompliment he has ever given me
To this day?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes, to this day.
That's awesome, that is good.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So the premise of Fortnite is all these people are
dropped on an island and youwant to be the last man standing
and the storm is shrinking.
So in relating to a storm, myquestion to open us up today is
what's your favorite stormmemory or maybe your worst storm
memory from your childhood orgrowing up, or with your kids?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So I can start it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Hopefully that gives you a second to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I've got two stories, but they're very brief.
One when I was really young, Iwas probably like nine or 10.
I was asleep in my bed and Ihad just fallen asleep and I had
this Dodgers nightlight pluggedinto the wall.
Not, I hate the Dodgers, I lovethe Brewers, but for some
reason somebody gave me thatnight.
It was in my wall.
I hate the Dodgers, I love theBrewers, but for some reason
somebody gave me that and it wasin my wall.
The house gets struck bylightning.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Your house.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
The house gets struck by lightning and the thing pops
out of the wall and hits my bed.
So you hear this wham With thelightning bolt and then it just
hits the bed.
I've always hated the Dodgers,ever since then.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Go Padres, that's fielding.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Go Brewers.
We may have the best record ofbaseball, or something I'm not
going to brag about the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Padres are doing good , you got to admit they are
doing well, better than usual.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, better than the White Sox or the Cubs.
Anyway, the other story was,like three Junes ago we had this
terrible hailstorm at our housein Oconomowoc and it actually,
like in June, accumulated whatlooked like our whole front yard
, looked like it was snowcovered, but it damaged
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everything.
So on the one hand, you're justsitting under your porch like
watching this amazing stormCause, for some reason, people
in the Midwest, that's what theydo.
Hey, there's a tornado outside.
I just said go to the basement,that's what they do.
Yep, hey, there's a tornadooutside.
Let's go, I just said go to thebasement but let's go outside.
So that was going on and thatwas like a core memory, because
a bunch of the kids came out andwe watched it and we're like,
wow, man, this is terrible andterrific all at the same time.
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It kind of gives you this viewof like the power and majesty of
the one who has created all ofthat and it makes you take a
step back and oftentimes we kindof like coat over with the
compassion of Jesus, we coatover the majesty of God and you
see like unbridled power inmoments like that and it's just
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a core thing that you have totalk about them.
So those are our two stories.
One has to do with thelightning strike and the Dodgers
and the other one has to dowith core memories of the walk.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, mine were always like.
The bad memories, I'd say werejust when we'd had to go to the
basement in the middle of thenight.
My parents would wake me up inIndiana and it'd be pouring
lightning, thunder, all that,and we'd wait for a couple hours
, then go back upstairs.
It was scary, but um, myfavorite part of storms is when
there's dry lightning, where youcan see lightning off in the
distance.
Whenever I see dry lightning,I'll just park and watch,
because it's the same thing.
It's like the beauty, themajesty, the glory of just
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watching electricity go throughthe air, and it's just a
beautiful beautiful moment.
Terrible beauty, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, so I grew up in Grand Island, not far from here
, and June 3rd 1980 was the siteof huge tornadoes in.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Grand Island.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And anyone from around here knows that date and
that story.
There were 13 tornadoes in thecity limits.
That day.
Like it was a crazy night.
There was a TV movie made aboutit.
Later there was a book writtenabout it, like all this stuff.
But I was six years old at thetime Was that tornadoes?
It was tornadoes Night of theTwisters was actually the book
in the movie John Schneider.
(08:07):
Bo Duke was in the movie.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'll tell you another story about him if we have time
, but anyway.
So I was six years old at thetime and I remember that day I
had red knickers on and theywere my favorite red knickers.
And when I say knickers, Idon't mean like knickers, like
bloomers, like knickers, theyjust came down to my knees.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That was a fashion.
What are knickers?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Knickers.
They just come down to yourknees like the pants that only
go to your knees, or at leastthat's what they were called
when I was six.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They were my red knickers.
It's short for knickerbockersright.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
But like in knickers, like in England, means your
underwear or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's like bloomers or I don't know Anyway, no, but
the New York Knicks are actuallynamed after that.
The actual name is the New YorkKnickerbockers and they're
named after that article ofclothing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I had red knickers and they were my favorite and
so we, the sirens, went off thatevening.
We were in the basement.
My parents knew it was bad.
I was a little bit clueless atthe age of six, so I'm sitting
in my mom's lap crisscrossapplesauce and the storm is
really bad and I can remember Igot scared when I asked to go to
the bathroom and the room wherewe would go in our basement was
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right next to the bathroom andnormally during a tornado we'd
go downstairs and we'd hang out.
But you could run up and get acup of water, you could go to
the bathroom and my mom was likenope, pee your pants.
So I peed in my red knickersand that's what my core memory
about the night of the tornadoes.
I don't know how to respond tothat.
I was going to make a joke, butit would probably be
(09:31):
inappropriate, so I'm not goingto but that's at that point I
was like, oh, this is serious,Like we can't even get out to go
to the bathroom.
But my dad was busy running upand down to look outside because
you know that is whatMidwestern deserves.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So here's what I want to see.
I want to see how Dinatransitions from that story to
the scripture teaching today.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
For those of you who aren't watching well, you can't
watch my video.
She's wearing a red shirt.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But not red knickers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Not red knickers.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But no, the funny thing about that book and the
movie later there was a TV moviedone way later in the mid-90s
and at the time that the TVmovie came out I was living in
San Antonio, texas, and that wasalso where actor John Schneider
who played Bo Duke on the Dukesof Hazzard for those of you who
lived and I was working in aHollywood video store.
(10:22):
And John Schneider came into ourHollywood video store and
everyone was like oh ha ha, youknow, everybody knew who he was
and he went and he looked aroundthe store and then he came up
to the counter this was backwhen we had VHS tapes and he
said hey, I'm looking for somevideos on hurricanes.
Do you have any videos abouthurricanes?
And I said, well, no, we don'thave a real big documentary
(10:43):
section, but let me look.
And so I looked in the computer, didn't find anything.
I walked with him back to thesection where we had some storm
videos.
We didn't have any hurricaneones.
We had one on bigger stormslike tropical storms, but it was
checked out at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So then you just couldn't get it.
It's a high commodity.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And so I apologized to him and he was very kind, and
then he left the store and likenine months later this TV movie
comes out about Night of theTwisters, which was I
experienced growing up, and I'mguessing he was researching it
at the time and had I known that, or had he said anything about
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tornadoes I may have commented,or you know what I mean, like I
could have connected him with aton of people to give him
firsthand accounts of this, butI missed my chance to be buds
with John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Dang yeah.
So if I watch that movie andit's terrible, it is terrible.
It really is, I'll know why hehad no reference material.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
He was looking for hurricanes.
Sorry, john, it's not a tornado.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Sorry, John, it is a really poorly done you know it
really was straight to TV like aCBS movie or something like
that.
But yeah, it was justinteresting.
It meant a lot to me becauseyou know I lived it but yeah,
and he wore a NebraskaCornhuskers jersey in one part
of the movie.
Yeah, it was so fancy, okay soyou know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Here's the transition , yep.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yep, so I?
I got nothing, so let's justtalk about game on.
I'm trying to think of somethingclever, but, um, so the game of
Fortnite.
Like I said, the idea is to bethe last man standing, um, but
it really points out you feelreally vulnerable in this, and
that was one thing that Zachreally talked about in this
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message, and so he's had hisfour themes that he's been going
on in Game On.
The first one was know yourmission, and two was choose your
weapon.
Three was stay in the fight,and four, for this week, it was
get the victory.
What are you guys?
What really stuck out to you?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this message?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I think I can speak a little bit on the
vulnerability aspect and thelast man standing aspect, and
that is when you look at the oldTestament, you see that, like
after sin is introduced into theworld, um, you see everyone
being given this chance to dowhat they were expected to do,
so like the law is written ontheir hearts.
So it's not like anybody cansay, well, I don't know what the
expectations are, no, like,don't kill people, don't sleep
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with someone else's wife, whichactually works into this
specific story.
But in any event, everyone isdocumented in the Old Testament
and everyone ends up having thatlike circle storm of the law
kicking them out.
You know, to the point wherethe wages of sin is death.
That even happens in the oldTestament.
They all know what theexpectations are.
And then you have this funneledall down to the person of Jesus
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, which is why he's like thehinge between the old Testament
and the new Testament, becauseJesus in his person is Israel
down into one person, all ofhumanity down to one person.
He's the last man standing, andif he was just the last man
standing, that'd be a greatstory of victory for him.
But instead of being the lastman standing and that only
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benefiting him.
He decided to step out of thecircle and give everybody else
the victory royale that he washis like.
That was naturally his becauseof what he did.
And I would just love foranybody who's listening to this
to go back into the OldTestament, see some of the
biggest programmatic events thathappened, like the Exodus, like
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the wandering in the wilderness, like just any large moment in
the Old Testament.
You see it actually personifiedin the life of Jesus.
So like why, do you think, atthe beginning of his ministry,
right after his baptism, what isit that he does?
He goes out into the wilderness.
Why?
Because he wants to illustrateto everyone that he's humanity,
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he's Israel boiled down to one.
So it even starts at thebeginning and carries throughout
the entirety of his ministryuntil he has the last man
standing and then switches thewhole script to benefit us.
So I think that's what I'll betaking beyond.
Sunday is just this furtheremphasis that all of this story
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of the scriptures is pointing toJesus and that should be
everybody's look at thescriptures too.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, I think when I think of, like, get the victory
and we think in the world ofgetting the victory, whatever it
looks like, whether it's amedal, a first place trophy,
whatever it could be there's alot of work that has to be put
in to get the victory.
There's a lot of work beforethe, before the competition,
during the competition and evenafter to to get the win, that,
that that you deserve from allthe work you've put in.
But but I think what Zach did abeautiful job of talking about
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this week is, in the Christianterms of getting the victory.
It's nothing that you've done.
It's nothing that that couldhave anything to do with what,
what has happened, what hashappened to you or what, what
you've done or anything.
It's everything that Jesus hasdone for you.
It's it's that he's thepersonification of Israel, the
personification of you, that hedid what you could not do on
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yourself and gave you thevictory straight into your hands
.
You didn't deserve this gift ofgrace.
If it was up to all of us, wewould all be in the pits of hell
.
That's the harsh reality thatwe have to swallow as Christians
, knowing that we can't do it onour own, and that's the beauty
of I mean, bring it back to thehailstorm like sin and the law
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is terrifying and because it'sso terrifying, that makes what
Jesus did so much more beautiful.
And it's just a beautiful actto witness, to think about, to
process and realizing that thevictory is not on our own
actions, but it's everythingthat Jesus did for us.
So that's what I'm takingbeyond Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I really like the.
I have really enjoyed followingthe story of David here.
But I really like this storyabout David and Bathsheba
because I think sometimes wetend to put people that are in
the Bible up on a pedestal, thatthey did all the right things
and know they sinned just asmuch as we do, and this is a
prime example of that, whereDavid had been king for a while
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and was very successful and verywell-loved and very renowned
and he still messed up big time,not like a little mess up like
this was.
You know, he was tempted, actedon it, went through with steps
to actually murder, have someonemurdered through it and you
know all the pieces.
So it's not like just a tinyslip up, it's something big and
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I really I think what reallystuck out to me with that was
something that Zach said is yourcharacter is most revealed in
adversity and in success, and soI liked that because we've got
to see both in David.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
So Zach had three really keypoints in this message for us,
about not only success inFortnite, but also like getting
the victory, and the first onewas to be in the proper position
.
What jumped out at you guysabout when he was talking about
being in the proper position?
Yeah, is there something thatstuck with you, or is there a
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time when this is kind of wherehe talked about character in
adversity and success?
Is there a story that you canrelate to from your personal
life with that, or what stuckwith you?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Um, what I think is really interesting about
character being revealed is thatwhen David defaulted to the
leadership style that Saul had,that's when he was in the most
trouble.
So, um, the idea that he was,as King, supposed to go out with
his people I mean, that was thevery thing that the army of
Saul had against Saul is thatDavid won all those victories
over Saul because David wasactually the most most honored
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and decorated soldier that wouldgo out and do all those things.
And it was the moment whereDavid was like I think I'll just
spend some time on the top ofmy, my palace and just kind of
look around when my men are out.
But there's also a really goodcharacter like referral in that
story too, because after Davidfinds out that Bathsheba is
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pregnant, he has Uriah come tothe palace.
And you know, a lot of timeswe'll just jump straight to the
and David had Uriah killed.
But actually what happens inbetween?
That is, david says, well,maybe I'll just cover it up and,
um, I'll have Uriah come off ofthe battlefield, go against his
vows to his other men that wereserving with him and have him
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come home and sleep with hiswife.
So then at least it'll looklike Uriah is the father, but
Uriah is so high in characterthat he refuses to do that.
David tries to send him home.
Uriah's like I can't do that.
Well, you should go homeanyways.
And instead Uriah sleeps like, Ithink, in a door sill by the
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soldiers.
Or something like that, by theirquarters.
And so you know what characteris being revealed there.
Uriah's character is definitelyon display in like contrast to
David's character, which is alsoin contrast or in line with
Saul's character, and it kind ofjust shows what our default is.
And so I guess I probably havea hundred more stories of my
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character falling to the lowestcommon denominator and default,
rather than you know some storyof epic like victory royale or
something like that um, I reallyliked another thing that zach
talked about there, which was umthe sin spiral, and I don't
know if you guys like took alook at that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Um, there's a qr code if you go back and watch the
message.
Um, there's a qr code therewhere you can see, um that zach
uh kind of had dive dove div anddiv dived into what's the
proper past term Dun-dip-dicatedDodge, duck, dip dive and dodge
.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean, I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Anyway, if you go back and watch it, there's a QR
code in the thing where you cantake a look at the sin spiral
and it's something that you canlearn a little bit more about
what that means.
But I liked that in that hetalked about we have to be in
the proper position, we have tohave spiritual disciplines in
place.
So what are some routines thatyou guys have of spiritual
disciplines that you think helpsyou be in that proper position
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to defend against temptations oropportunities to fail or not be
of the highest character?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean, for me it's every morning.
One of my rules for myself is Ihave to wake up early and I
have to pray out loud.
Those are kind of my two rulesof life at the moment, and I'm
actually working on theconfirmation curriculum and to
teach in a couple of weeks onprayer and one of the questions
I'm gonna ask is why do we pray?
What's the importance of prayer?
And for me, a big importance ofprayer is God will listen to me
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, right, and it's.
It's an opportunity for me totake the pressure off of myself.
It's an opportunity for me tosay say God, this is what's
happening today.
This is how I've failed youtoday and this is what what I
have planned for today in thatprayer giving him, yielding the
opportunity of of my thepressure to go off of me to say
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God, this is my plan for todayand I accept what you have
planned.
That's not of that plan.
It's for me to, in everymorning, every night, to in the
morning, say God, what I haveplanned for today, you have full
control of it, you can take it.
If it's your will for me to doexactly what I've planned, your
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will be done.
If it's not, your will be done.
And I think that that's whereDavid fell right, because he
chose his own will over what Godhad planned for him.
He chose his own way to stand upon the rooftop to look at
Bathsheba instead of going outwith his army.
And I imagine if David thatmorning would have taken time to
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rest, to be silent, to listen,maybe he would have been able to
say oh no, maybe it's best thatI go with my men right now, and
he could have avoided that.
No, of course we're all broken,we're going to do broken things
.
And that's when, in that moment, when I mess up, when I do
something wrong, when I sin inthe evening, to say God, this is
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what happened today, this ishow I hurt you, this is how I
hurt myself, how I hurt thepeople around me, and in a
moment, to take it back to God.
So for me, the processes,whatever.
So for me, the processes,whatever habits there we go,
start with God and end with God.
And to release the pressure ofmyself to say it's not all up to
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me, because if it is, I'm goingto mess it up royally.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Not a victory royale, not a victory royale, no, yeah,
yeah.
So one of the disciplines thatI have going on right now I
generally try to be in the Wordevery single day, but I actually
I also know that I thrive off achallenge and habit, and so my
challenge to myself andaccountability with another
really faithful follower ofJesus was to finish the Bible in
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six months, and so just there'sa reading plan for it, and to
just check in with that.
But even further than that,it's what did it mean then?
So then, what does it mean now?
And what helps for that for meis, you know, sometimes you just
open the scriptures and if youjust say, what does this mean
for me now, well then theBible's all about you.
But if you say, what did itmean at this time, then I can
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actually apply it faithfully tolike how it corresponds with my
life.
So that kind of approach justalways helps me realize that I,
you know, wherever we are at inour own minds, wherever I'm at
in my own head, with brokenness,with sin, we tend to,
particularly with people that,like struggle, with anxiety,
think that everything is up toyou, and I don't know if this is
kind of what you were alludingto as well, chad, when you were
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talking about it.
But it's not all about you andso if you can have something
that roots you in, it's abouthim every single day.
It's going to like reverberatethrough the rest of your day
that it's not all on me, like Iam responsible to fulfill what
the Lord has called me to do.
But I've read enough storiesnow in the scriptures where
people really stink at that, andso it's not like I have a
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comfort in, in, in.
We all stink together, but it'smore of a okay, well, the world
didn't end.
Then, uh, sin happened.
There were consequences forthat, but the world didn't end,
and so I don't have to carrythat on my shoulders.
And what's really freeing isthat, like, even when things go
really really well, that canactually set you up for more
anxiety, because it's like, oh,my goodness, I did this, like
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epic thing.
Whatever it is, now theexpectation is I'm going to do
this again every time I walkinto doing that same thing, and
that creates more anxiety andmore focus on yourself and less
focus on where life reallyshould be directed, and that's
at him.
And I think, same thing ifDavid, in that moment, would
have had just a Nathan toredirect his thoughts before the
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issue like this would not bethe same kind of story that down
and getting ready for bed is.
I have just my praise.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Time with God is what I call it, and I go through my
day and I praise him for all thethings that happened or all the
choices that I make, and myaccountability piece of that is
sometimes there's things that Idid that maybe I'm not so proud
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of or maybe I didn't handle asbest as I could, but I will turn
them into a way.
How can I praise him for theopportunity to grow or praise
Him for the opportunity to showthat I've learned from it?
And if he's going to put thatbefore me again, then I'm going
to make a better choice the nexttime.
But I really focus on thatwhole praising Him for what he
puts in front of me and then forhelping me get through it, and
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I try to just hold myselfaccountable to.
Okay, here's this choice thatI'm making or here's this tough
situation that I'm in.
Am I going to feel good aboutthe praise that I'm going to
have tonight?
or am I going to be praising fora learning experience with the
choices that I'm making and thathelps in the way my brain
functions.
I guess that helps me seek someclarity and seek more of him in
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my choices and decisions.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's so cool, cause it's like you owe your future
self that level of obedience toJesus.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And it like, and there's times I feel miserably,
but those are the times that Ilearn.
Okay, lord, this is.
I'm thanking you for theopportunity that I learned this
and that I can hopefully be abetter child of yours tomorrow,
or that I can make a betterchoice to reflect you tomorrow,
you know, or the next day, orwhenever it is.
So, speaking of failing, zach'snumber two point was when you
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fail respawn.
In Fortnite you have theopportunity to respawn, and this
is my after my savage axekilling experience in Fortnite.
The one job that I was given inFortnite when I would play with
my children is that I was therespawn card person.
My job was to hide, not getkilled, and when they died Hide
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in a bush right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yes, Hide in a bush.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
When they died I would run and get their card to
take to the respawn spot so thatthey could hey, every person
needs someone on the team.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There is a super popular channel called bushcraft
dad where this guy learns andhe's given like tips from all
sorts of people around the worldthe best places to hide and he
just like gets more XP and morepoints and stuff and he
accumulates that.
So it doesn't matter if he diesin the top 10% every time like
his ranking goes up because hejust hides long enough.
So this is a legit like way togo.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Dina, yeah, I was key to the respawn.
That was it.
But what did you guys take fromZach talking about that?
When you fail, respawn or thatpiece of things in the message?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean, I think it's where where the, the Lutheran
faith thrives, right Grace upongrace.
It's not any of your works thatyou've done, but it's the grace
of Jesus Christ, of your life,that when you mess up, there's a
clean slate that has been givento you again and you're going
to mess up again later and thenagain there's a clean slate, and
it's over and over and overagain.
And I still don't understand itfully.
(28:50):
I don't think anybody fullyunderstands grace, because it
really is just a free gift.
And I don't know about you guys, but my dad always told me
nothing's free.
Free doesn't make sense.
Who gets something out of thisequation, out of this situation?
But that's why I love theLutheran faith, because it just
emphasizes grace.
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So so much.
It's not of your works, but itis a free gift from the Lord.
And we're going to mess up andwe're going to do it over and
over and over again.
And Jesus is there over andover and over again and again.
I don't understand it and Iknow he's going to be there over
and over and over again for me.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I would agree, and I think one of the reasons why our
church body is so rich in thatunderstanding of grace, of
course, is because thescriptures are so.
You know, gospel of John saysthat Jesus is full of grace on
top of grace.
So it's not just like initialgrace that saves you, but then
you've got to do a bunch of workto keep it there, or you got to
do a bunch of work to finishthe process that he started.
(29:54):
No, it's his grace.
He started it, he completes it,that's all on him.
But then, like, there's actualexamples of multiple failures by
key leaders in the church afterthe resurrection that allow us
the opportunity to see how keygrace is to God's character and
how gracious he is.
Because, yeah, we can say he'sterrifyingly beautiful in a
storm and we can look at the lawand that's terrifying as well.
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But then we look at Peter anddo you know that guy?
No, I don't know that manthat's on trial in there.
Well, you kind of sound likeyou're a Galilean.
No, I don't know who that is.
Like.
Three times he denies Jesus,and it's not just the rooster
crowing that connects with thetimes three, but it's also the
restoration after theresurrection where Jesus sees
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him.
And like the way that we dealwith failures is, we would see
the person that failed and atbest, we would be like oh, we're
fine.
But I don't really want to doanything with you anymore
because you failed Like youdidn't do your responsibility,
but instead Jesus sees him afterthe resurrection and makes sure
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that for as many times as Peterfailed, jesus restores him.
So he denies him three times.
Jesus restores him after theresurrection three times, and I
think that's what's key to learnfrom this fortnight kind of
like a respawn thing is thatit's not like well, I sinned,
was it 70 times seven?
I sinned 491 times, and sothat's more than what
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mathematically Jesus had in theformula no.
Instead it's like 491, stillforgiven, 492, still forgiven,
492, still forgiven.
The strength, the love, thedepth of Christ's sacrifice and
grace is so much more powerfulthan our failures and our sin,
and so man that hasn't saved mylife so many times, I don't know
(31:42):
what has yeah, I really liked.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Zach kind of summed it up and he said the admission
price to freedom begins with anadmission of your sin.
Yeah, just opening that door tograce that Jesus provided.
So yeah, point three thatPastor Zach talked about was
wear the right skin.
In Fortnite there's all kindsof skins that you can get to
look like Star Wars characters,superheroes, punk rockers,
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anything in the galaxy.
What stuck out to you guysabout wearing the right skin in
that point of things?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Lexi, what stuck out to you guys about wearing the
right skin in that point ofthings?
I mean, it's the consistency ofour conversation here today
that we're broken, we're messedup and Jesus closed us with his
grace, with his righteousness,with his truth.
And over and over and overagain, we're going to mess up
time and time again.
And he said use Galatians 3,verse 27, in his message For all
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who are baptized into Christ,have clothed yourselves with
Christ.
That's a very interestingmetaphor and analogy to use.
And even we take it back.
And we're the old Adam is withinus, that we're broken, that the
man who started this wholeissue of sin, we're the ones
that continue it, that we haveAdam in our hearts and our souls
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and Jesus clothes us with hisrighteousness.
We're baptized, we're immersedinto his grace and that has
significant impact in all of ourlives.
From that moment on, knowingthat we're not defined by our
brokenness, we're not defined byhow many times we've sinned,
whether it's 495 or 2000,.
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But that we're defined by thegrace of Jesus Christ, that his
identity of a dearly loved andforgiven child of God is upon us
.
It's not how broken we are, butit, but it's.
It's who Jesus and who Jesus isand what he did for us.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I mean, I don't always, I can't always bring
things full circle, but I thinkwe're going to go back to the
soiled knickers and here's whereI'm going to go with that.
I think all of us have donesomething to stain ourselves and
, uh, there's a scripture inMalachi that talks about
cleansing us as a fuller's soapand it's like a launderer's soap
and that soap was like back inthat day.
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We're talking some seriouslystringent stuff and that's
what's necessary to clean.
We might ingest, talk about redknickers and such, but to think
about how powerful thecleansing power of the grace and
love of Jesus can be, it's likeyou're wearing new clothes, a
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complete set of new clothes, andit kind of gives you this view
of what we see in Jesus, in thetransfiguration story, with him
and Moses and Elijah, is that heis so dazzlingly white in terms
of his appearance and clothing,and I just mean that as in just
purity and that's all thatyou're experiencing.
(34:39):
To think that, like when wethink of ourselves, we kind of
think of ourselves as soil andbroken, and rightfully we are.
When we look at ourselvesthrough the light of the law, we
are.
But if that's all you see, thenyou're not getting the full
story, because there is thispurity that we have, that's like
put upon us us, that cleansesus like a fuller soap, that
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illustrates that we are not justthe broken darkness that you
know like hides in the heart ofevery single person, but there
is this terrifying beauty of thepurity of God and his holiness
that also indwells in us too.
And so you know it put being orhaving new clothes put onto you
in baptism and forgiveness andthat that's a powerful thing
(35:23):
that I hope that people likewhen they just get ready in the
morning and they put on, youknow like, well, I hope you all
put on new clothes I put on.
I did.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, well, jack, you , you're good, all right, good.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
But when we do, you know there's just some like
daily things that you do thatyou can actually like read some
gracious, important to them.
So, like Luther talked about,when you daily take a bath, like
taking a bath to me is grossbut a shower.
I mean that's not as gross.
You remember your baptism.
When you put on new clothes forthe day, you can remember grace
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and forgiveness and beingclothed in Christ.
Put on new clothes for the day,you can remember grace and
forgiveness and being clothed inChrist.
So there's just some thingsthat you can do in your day that
kind of go back to our otherconversation about reading the
word being in prayer.
You know, talking to yourexpectations of your future self
that connect to that view ofgrace for you too.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I really liked.
Zach said the fortnight is.
You know?
You want to be the one that'sleft other than the 99.
And Zach said that Jesus is nottrying to outlast the 99.
He came to give his life forthe 99.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like he wants to be the one to sacrifice for
everyone else, not even for hisbenefit, but for the benefit of
the 99.
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And I think when we mess up or when we fail, or when
you know we're in the wrongposition, we feel very isolated
and we feel like this is just me.
Everyone else is doing greatand it's just me.
But we see, even through thestory, somebody as great as
David still messes up, and so wecan take heart that Jesus came
for all of us, not just thewinner, but for everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And if you hear David's story, he's a monster
right, like what the kid said inKids Men, he's quite literally
a monster in this story.
He's the horrible guy who sleepswith somebody else's wife, who
has a child out of wedlock andthen kills the husband.
And you could see David as thisawful man and when he is, and
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in the New Testament he'slabeled as a man after God's own
heart.
And I think that transformation, that shift, can only be done
through the grace of Jesus.
That that again it's.
It's nothing that you've donewrong, it's nothing that you've
done right or wrong, but it'severything that Jesus has done
for you and that it's that'sable to let me live my life
without the pressure of doingthe right things all the time or
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not seeking to not do the wrongthings.
I've heard the gospel of sin.
Management is what we can oftenget in the depths of, where, oh
, if I just stop sinning, thenI'll be righteous, if I stop
doing these bad things, thenJesus will love me.
Well, it's not.
The true gospel is in your sin,in your transgressions.
Jesus is with you and he's inthe depths of your hurt with you
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.
And that's the true gospel notbeing perfect, but understanding
that Jesus was perfect for you,so now you don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Amen, all right, so this was the end of our Game On
series.
What are you guys' finaltakeaways from this series this
year?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I always thought that the game was over when my kids
were playing, so they would justbe watching the screen and I'd
be like why are you still, like,plugged into this?
Can you please go do yourhomework now, or can you do a
chore?
And they're like dad, I canrespawn, but I think what I'm
going to be taking is the valueof taking something that people
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know, whether they like it ornot, in terms of video games.
But just seeing that as afilter through which the
scriptures are magnified isincredibly important.
Uh, it's uh.
I can imagine that there'sprobably people that are like ah
, it's a series on video games.
No, it's a series on David.
It just happens to be thatpeople know more about video
games, sadly, right now, thanthey know about David, and this
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is a doorway through which theycan see David more clearly.
And as they see David, they cansee themselves or they'll see
Jesus engaging with your culture, as long as you don't become
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your culture Cause, like, mytakeaway is not that I'm going
to go around and find, like abunch of people, that I'm going
to take a what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
A pickaxe to whatever you did.
Like that's not my takeaway,yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Thou shalt not, so I shan't shan't, I shan't.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I should, should, shall not.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's going off the rails real fast.
But that there's a value, avery high value, to knowing what
happens in everyday people'slives, because that will give
you an opportunity to preachChrist crucified and resurrected
in a way that they weren'tanticipating, and that's a good
thing.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, I just love looking at David's story from
start to finish and seeing a lotof great things, a lot of
succession, succession,succeeding successes successes,
a lot of successes and a lot offailures, and for me I can
relate to that a hundred percent.
I've failed a lot.
I've succeeded a lot and I betyou guys have to, whatever's
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going on in your life.
I haven't seen Dean.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Ophelia, it's just me .
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, you heard the story earlier.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
That's just an accident.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Just an accident there we go Um, whatever you've
been through, whatever you'vegone through good, bad, whatever
God can flip that around andcontinue to grow that into
something beautiful that he hasfor you.
So follow, follow his lead andknow that it's not all on you.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I really like what you said there about David being
relatable.
That's.
What really sticks out to me is, whether you look at the video
game aspect of this or the Davidaspect of this, I think this
series really reminded me howwe're all connected and we all
make really great choices andreally horrible choices and
whether that's in a video gameor in real life, we can all be
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proud of and learn from thoseexperiences, and that's really
kind of what continued to comeout to me each week.
So thank you guys so much forbeing here.
We start a new message seriesnext week.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Pardon this Interruption and Pastor Seth, we
get to hear you preach now.
Yeah, well, gospel and Mark isgoing to preach itself.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That's what I love about this perspective on this
is like Mark had this veryspecific style where he'll start
a story, he'll interrupt thatstory and then he'll bring it
back into resolution so thatthey all actually resolve
themselves with the same majorpoint that Jesus is trying to
teach.
And so that's what we're goingto learn as he interrupts our
life, and that's the way itshould be every single day.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I'm looking forward to it.
So until then, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday
you.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingbeyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I amblessed to have some great
guests that I get to work withoften around here.
Now Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Chad Kelly, the student ministry intern here at
King of Kings.
Been here about two and a halfmonths, something like that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And I am Seth.
I thought you were going to saytwo and a half years.
No, not two and a half years.
I also have been here.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Does it feel like that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I mean some days it feels like I've been here for
two days and some days it feelslike I've been here for two and
a half years.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, as ministry can feel.
I half years, yeah, as ministrycan be.
I'm Seth, I get to be thecampus director here at the
Miller campus for King of Kingsand I also again have been here
since July 1st was both of ourstep dates.
So you know old pros, exactly,been here forever, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yep, just like it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yep, I've been here two years, so I do have you in a
little, almost two and a halfyears yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But yeah, did you introduce yourself?
Though I did introduce myself.
It's part of my normal routine.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But did you get to tell everybody that's listening,
like what you get to do as youserve here?
Well, no, not really.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
They just know me as the podcast host.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, but you're amazing.
They need to know that I am the.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Miller.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Associate Campus Director here at this campus,
and then I also get to be thecentral director of events for
our large scale communityoutreach events, and that's what
I really, really love.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Not this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, I love the podcast yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I wear a lot of hats.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Like, I have a lot of little hats and I like them all
in some way.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it's a very complete wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Complete wardrobe.
I've never I've heard the hatanalogy.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I've never heard a wardrobe analogy for a job, we
need to get her a cape and a hat, and just like a wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh yeah, all labeled with all of her different job
descriptions.
There you go.
Yeah, one for each.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, thank you guys for being here today.
We this week finished up ourGame On series, which we've been
working through the last monthand Pastor Zach Zender has been
leading us through this.
Look at the story of David inlight of, or in the view of,
popular video games.
And this week it was talkingabout Fortnite.
And so first, have you guysplayed Fortnite?
(02:17):
Are you Fortnite players?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I have played Fortnite.
I'm very bad like, maybe worsethan Zach, so I hopped on once.
In the last church that I wasat, we also had a school and
some of the other kids wereactually playing the game and it
was hilarious because my sontold them like my dad's playing
on my account, and so theyrallied around me to protect me
(02:41):
and they were like a hundredplayers in this from all over
the world, protect the pastor,protect the pastor Thou shalt
not kill my pastor and they'rejust like, oh, shoot.
And I'm like no, turn the othercheek.
But I'm really bad Like thewhole idea of like um, moving
with one directional pad in onedirection and then having the
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other directional pad on thecontroller to do like the head
up and down.
It actually makes me emotionsick to watch it for too long
and to do it because my eyesjust lock in and it makes me
want to barf.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So I'm not a fortnight guy or call of duty or
anything like that I played inhigh school um, like when the
big rush was happening and allthe first, before any of the big
updates and I played when itwas actually impressive to get a
victory royale, because now youget them left and right.
I remember when I first got myvictory royale was with a buddy
in high school and it was themost electric and amazing moment
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of my life ever.
And then you got married, or,and then I, and then I am.
It's definitely not in the top10 anymore, okay, but but yeah,
it was awesome.
It was awesome.
Yeah, a rite of passage, Iwould say.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I have played Fortnite Not often, but my son
was in the thick of the crazewhen it came out and I can
remember him coming and tellingme hey, mom, I want to download
this free game on Xbox, and I'malways about free, sure, great.
What is it?
Well, it's you and a hundredother people and you all just
kill each other, and I was likeoh, what an explanation Um let's
talk about this a little bitmore.
(04:09):
Can I get some more details?
But once he got into it then hewas constantly like mom, you
come come play with me, comeplay with me.
So one time, the very firsttime I played I've played more
than once, but not often thevery first time I played I got
on.
I knew nothing of what I wasdoing.
I am not familiar with Xboxcontrollers, so the whole two
joystick movement and view wasvery confusing to me and I
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panicked, like someone came upon me.
I panicked, I just hit a bunchof buttons and I killed someone
with my pickaxe.
Wow, that's impressive, and myson called me savage, and I
think that is the bestcompliment he has ever given me
To this day?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes, to this day.
That's awesome, that is good.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So the premise of Fortnite is all these people are
dropped on an island and youwant to be the last man standing
and the storm is shrinking.
So in relating to a storm, myquestion to open us up today is
what's your favorite stormmemory or maybe your worst storm
memory from your childhood orgrowing up, or with your kids?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So I can start it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Hopefully that gives you a second to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I've got two stories, but they're very brief.
One when I was really young, Iwas probably like nine or 10.
I was asleep in my bed and Ihad just fallen asleep and I had
this Dodgers nightlight pluggedinto the wall.
Not, I hate the Dodgers, I lovethe Brewers, but for some
reason somebody gave me thatnight.
It was in my wall.
I hate the Dodgers, I love theBrewers, but for some reason
somebody gave me that and it wasin my wall.
The house gets struck bylightning.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Your house.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
The house gets struck by lightning and the thing pops
out of the wall and hits my bed.
So you hear this wham With thelightning bolt and then it just
hits the bed.
I've always hated the Dodgers,ever since then.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Go Padres, that's fielding.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Go Brewers.
We may have the best record ofbaseball, or something I'm not
going to brag about the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Padres are doing good , you got to admit they are
doing well, better than usual.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, better than the White Sox or the Cubs.
Anyway, the other story was,like three Junes ago we had this
terrible hailstorm at our housein Oconomowoc and it actually,
like in June, accumulated whatlooked like our whole front yard
, looked like it was snowcovered, but it damaged
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everything.
So on the one hand, you're justsitting under your porch like
watching this amazing stormCause, for some reason, people
in the Midwest, that's what theydo.
Hey, there's a tornado outside.
I just said go to the basement,that's what they do.
Yep, hey, there's a tornadooutside.
Let's go, I just said go to thebasement but let's go outside.
So that was going on and thatwas like a core memory, because
a bunch of the kids came out andwe watched it and we're like,
wow, man, this is terrible andterrific all at the same time.
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It kind of gives you this viewof like the power and majesty of
the one who has created all ofthat and it makes you take a
step back and oftentimes we kindof like coat over with the
compassion of Jesus, we coatover the majesty of God and you
see like unbridled power inmoments like that and it's just
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a core thing that you have totalk about them.
So those are our two stories.
One has to do with thelightning strike and the Dodgers
and the other one has to dowith core memories of the walk.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, mine were always like.
The bad memories, I'd say werejust when we'd had to go to the
basement in the middle of thenight.
My parents would wake me up inIndiana and it'd be pouring
lightning, thunder, all that,and we'd wait for a couple hours
, then go back upstairs.
It was scary, but um, myfavorite part of storms is when
there's dry lightning, where youcan see lightning off in the
distance.
Whenever I see dry lightning,I'll just park and watch,
because it's the same thing.
It's like the beauty, themajesty, the glory of just
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watching electricity go throughthe air, and it's just a
beautiful beautiful moment.
Terrible beauty, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, so I grew up in Grand Island, not far from here
, and June 3rd 1980 was the siteof huge tornadoes in.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Grand Island.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And anyone from around here knows that date and
that story.
There were 13 tornadoes in thecity limits.
That day.
Like it was a crazy night.
There was a TV movie made aboutit.
Later there was a book writtenabout it, like all this stuff.
But I was six years old at thetime Was that tornadoes?
It was tornadoes Night of theTwisters was actually the book
in the movie John Schneider.
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Bo Duke was in the movie.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'll tell you another story about him if we have time
, but anyway.
So I was six years old at thetime and I remember that day I
had red knickers on and theywere my favorite red knickers.
And when I say knickers, Idon't mean like knickers, like
bloomers, like knickers, theyjust came down to my knees.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That was a fashion.
What are knickers?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Knickers.
They just come down to yourknees like the pants that only
go to your knees, or at leastthat's what they were called
when I was six.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They were my red knickers.
It's short for knickerbockersright.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
But like in knickers, like in England, means your
underwear or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's like bloomers or I don't know Anyway, no, but
the New York Knicks are actuallynamed after that.
The actual name is the New YorkKnickerbockers and they're
named after that article ofclothing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I had red knickers and they were my favorite and
so we, the sirens, went off thatevening.
We were in the basement.
My parents knew it was bad.
I was a little bit clueless atthe age of six, so I'm sitting
in my mom's lap crisscrossapplesauce and the storm is
really bad and I can remember Igot scared when I asked to go to
the bathroom and the room wherewe would go in our basement was
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right next to the bathroom andnormally during a tornado we'd
go downstairs and we'd hang out.
But you could run up and get acup of water, you could go to
the bathroom and my mom was likenope, pee your pants.
So I peed in my red knickersand that's what my core memory
about the night of the tornadoes.
I don't know how to respond tothat.
I was going to make a joke, butit would probably be
(09:31):
inappropriate, so I'm not goingto but that's at that point I
was like, oh, this is serious,Like we can't even get out to go
to the bathroom.
But my dad was busy running upand down to look outside because
you know that is whatMidwestern deserves.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So here's what I want to see.
I want to see how Dinatransitions from that story to
the scripture teaching today.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
For those of you who aren't watching well, you can't
watch my video.
She's wearing a red shirt.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But not red knickers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Not red knickers.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But no, the funny thing about that book and the
movie later there was a TV moviedone way later in the mid-90s
and at the time that the TVmovie came out I was living in
San Antonio, texas, and that wasalso where actor John Schneider
who played Bo Duke on the Dukesof Hazzard for those of you who
lived and I was working in aHollywood video store.
(10:22):
And John Schneider came into ourHollywood video store and
everyone was like oh ha ha, youknow, everybody knew who he was
and he went and he looked aroundthe store and then he came up
to the counter this was backwhen we had VHS tapes and he
said hey, I'm looking for somevideos on hurricanes.
Do you have any videos abouthurricanes?
And I said, well, no, we don'thave a real big documentary
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section, but let me look.
And so I looked in the computer, didn't find anything.
I walked with him back to thesection where we had some storm
videos.
We didn't have any hurricaneones.
We had one on bigger stormslike tropical storms, but it was
checked out at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So then you just couldn't get it.
It's a high commodity.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And so I apologized to him and he was very kind, and
then he left the store and likenine months later this TV movie
comes out about Night of theTwisters, which was I
experienced growing up, and I'mguessing he was researching it
at the time and had I known that, or had he said anything about
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tornadoes I may have commented,or you know what I mean, like I
could have connected him with aton of people to give him
firsthand accounts of this, butI missed my chance to be buds
with John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Dang yeah.
So if I watch that movie andit's terrible, it is terrible.
It really is, I'll know why hehad no reference material.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
He was looking for hurricanes.
Sorry, john, it's not a tornado.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Sorry, John, it is a really poorly done you know it
really was straight to TV like aCBS movie or something like
that.
But yeah, it was justinteresting.
It meant a lot to me becauseyou know I lived it but yeah,
and he wore a NebraskaCornhuskers jersey in one part
of the movie.
Yeah, it was so fancy, okay soyou know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Here's the transition , yep.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yep, so I?
I got nothing, so let's justtalk about game on.
I'm trying to think of somethingclever, but, um, so the game of
Fortnite.
Like I said, the idea is to bethe last man standing, um, but
it really points out you feelreally vulnerable in this, and
that was one thing that Zachreally talked about in this
(12:26):
message, and so he's had hisfour themes that he's been going
on in Game On.
The first one was know yourmission, and two was choose your
weapon.
Three was stay in the fight,and four, for this week, it was
get the victory.
What are you guys?
What really stuck out to you?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this message?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I think I can speak a little bit on the
vulnerability aspect and thelast man standing aspect, and
that is when you look at the oldTestament, you see that, like
after sin is introduced into theworld, um, you see everyone
being given this chance to dowhat they were expected to do,
so like the law is written ontheir hearts.
So it's not like anybody cansay, well, I don't know what the
expectations are, no, like,don't kill people, don't sleep
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with someone else's wife, whichactually works into this
specific story.
But in any event, everyone isdocumented in the Old Testament
and everyone ends up having thatlike circle storm of the law
kicking them out.
You know, to the point wherethe wages of sin is death.
That even happens in the oldTestament.
They all know what theexpectations are.
And then you have this funneledall down to the person of Jesus
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, which is why he's like thehinge between the old Testament
and the new Testament, becauseJesus in his person is Israel
down into one person, all ofhumanity down to one person.
He's the last man standing, andif he was just the last man
standing, that'd be a greatstory of victory for him.
But instead of being the lastman standing and that only
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benefiting him.
He decided to step out of thecircle and give everybody else
the victory royale that he washis like.
That was naturally his becauseof what he did.
And I would just love foranybody who's listening to this
to go back into the OldTestament, see some of the
biggest programmatic events thathappened, like the Exodus, like
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the wandering in the wilderness, like just any large moment in
the Old Testament.
You see it actually personifiedin the life of Jesus.
So like why, do you think, atthe beginning of his ministry,
right after his baptism, what isit that he does?
He goes out into the wilderness.
Why?
Because he wants to illustrateto everyone that he's humanity,
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he's Israel boiled down to one.
So it even starts at thebeginning and carries throughout
the entirety of his ministryuntil he has the last man
standing and then switches thewhole script to benefit us.
So I think that's what I'll betaking beyond.
Sunday is just this furtheremphasis that all of this story
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of the scriptures is pointing toJesus and that should be
everybody's look at thescriptures too.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, I think when I think of, like, get the victory
and we think in the world ofgetting the victory, whatever it
looks like, whether it's amedal, a first place trophy,
whatever it could be there's alot of work that has to be put
in to get the victory.
There's a lot of work beforethe, before the competition,
during the competition and evenafter to to get the win, that,
that that you deserve from allthe work you've put in.
But but I think what Zach did abeautiful job of talking about
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this week is, in the Christianterms of getting the victory.
It's nothing that you've done.
It's nothing that that couldhave anything to do with what,
what has happened, what hashappened to you or what, what
you've done or anything.
It's everything that Jesus hasdone for you.
It's it's that he's thepersonification of Israel, the
personification of you, that hedid what you could not do on
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yourself and gave you thevictory straight into your hands
.
You didn't deserve this gift ofgrace.
If it was up to all of us, wewould all be in the pits of hell
.
That's the harsh reality thatwe have to swallow as Christians
, knowing that we can't do it onour own, and that's the beauty
of I mean, bring it back to thehailstorm like sin and the law
(16:10):
is terrifying and because it'sso terrifying, that makes what
Jesus did so much more beautiful.
And it's just a beautiful actto witness, to think about, to
process and realizing that thevictory is not on our own
actions, but it's everythingthat Jesus did for us.
So that's what I'm takingbeyond Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I really like the.
I have really enjoyed followingthe story of David here.
But I really like this storyabout David and Bathsheba
because I think sometimes wetend to put people that are in
the Bible up on a pedestal, thatthey did all the right things
and know they sinned just asmuch as we do, and this is a
prime example of that, whereDavid had been king for a while
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and was very successful and verywell-loved and very renowned
and he still messed up big time,not like a little mess up like
this was.
You know, he was tempted, actedon it, went through with steps
to actually murder, have someonemurdered through it and you
know all the pieces.
So it's not like just a tinyslip up, it's something big and
(17:14):
I really I think what reallystuck out to me with that was
something that Zach said is yourcharacter is most revealed in
adversity and in success, and soI liked that because we've got
to see both in David.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
So Zach had three really keypoints in this message for us,
about not only success inFortnite, but also like getting
the victory, and the first onewas to be in the proper position
.
What jumped out at you guysabout when he was talking about
being in the proper position?
Yeah, is there something thatstuck with you, or is there a
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time when this is kind of wherehe talked about character in
adversity and success?
Is there a story that you canrelate to from your personal
life with that, or what stuckwith you?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Um, what I think is really interesting about
character being revealed is thatwhen David defaulted to the
leadership style that Saul had,that's when he was in the most
trouble.
So, um, the idea that he was,as King, supposed to go out with
his people I mean, that was thevery thing that the army of
Saul had against Saul is thatDavid won all those victories
over Saul because David wasactually the most most honored
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and decorated soldier that wouldgo out and do all those things.
And it was the moment whereDavid was like I think I'll just
spend some time on the top ofmy, my palace and just kind of
look around when my men are out.
But there's also a really goodcharacter like referral in that
story too, because after Davidfinds out that Bathsheba is
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pregnant, he has Uriah come tothe palace.
And you know, a lot of timeswe'll just jump straight to the
and David had Uriah killed.
But actually what happens inbetween?
That is, david says, well,maybe I'll just cover it up and,
um, I'll have Uriah come off ofthe battlefield, go against his
vows to his other men that wereserving with him and have him
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come home and sleep with hiswife.
So then at least it'll looklike Uriah is the father, but
Uriah is so high in characterthat he refuses to do that.
David tries to send him home.
Uriah's like I can't do that.
Well, you should go homeanyways.
And instead Uriah sleeps like, Ithink, in a door sill by the
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soldiers.
Or something like that, by theirquarters.
And so you know what characteris being revealed there.
Uriah's character is definitelyon display in like contrast to
David's character, which is alsoin contrast or in line with
Saul's character, and it kind ofjust shows what our default is.
And so I guess I probably havea hundred more stories of my
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character falling to the lowestcommon denominator and default,
rather than you know some storyof epic like victory royale or
something like that um, I reallyliked another thing that zach
talked about there, which was umthe sin spiral, and I don't
know if you guys like took alook at that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Um, there's a qr code if you go back and watch the
message.
Um, there's a qr code therewhere you can see, um that zach
uh kind of had dive dove div anddiv dived into what's the
proper past term Dun-dip-dicatedDodge, duck, dip dive and dodge
.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean, I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Anyway, if you go back and watch it, there's a QR
code in the thing where you cantake a look at the sin spiral
and it's something that you canlearn a little bit more about
what that means.
But I liked that in that hetalked about we have to be in
the proper position, we have tohave spiritual disciplines in
place.
So what are some routines thatyou guys have of spiritual
disciplines that you think helpsyou be in that proper position
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to defend against temptations oropportunities to fail or not be
of the highest character?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean, for me it's every morning.
One of my rules for myself is Ihave to wake up early and I
have to pray out loud.
Those are kind of my two rulesof life at the moment, and I'm
actually working on theconfirmation curriculum and to
teach in a couple of weeks onprayer and one of the questions
I'm gonna ask is why do we pray?
What's the importance of prayer?
And for me, a big importance ofprayer is God will listen to me
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, right, and it's.
It's an opportunity for me totake the pressure off of myself.
It's an opportunity for me tosay say God, this is what's
happening today.
This is how I've failed youtoday and this is what what I
have planned for today in thatprayer giving him, yielding the
opportunity of of my thepressure to go off of me to say
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God, this is my plan for todayand I accept what you have
planned.
That's not of that plan.
It's for me to, in everymorning, every night, to in the
morning, say God, what I haveplanned for today, you have full
control of it, you can take it.
If it's your will for me to doexactly what I've planned, your
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will be done.
If it's not, your will be done.
And I think that that's whereDavid fell right, because he
chose his own will over what Godhad planned for him.
He chose his own way to stand upon the rooftop to look at
Bathsheba instead of going outwith his army.
And I imagine if David thatmorning would have taken time to
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rest, to be silent, to listen,maybe he would have been able to
say oh no, maybe it's best thatI go with my men right now, and
he could have avoided that.
No, of course we're all broken,we're going to do broken things
.
And that's when, in that moment, when I mess up, when I do
something wrong, when I sin inthe evening, to say God, this is
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what happened today, this ishow I hurt you, this is how I
hurt myself, how I hurt thepeople around me, and in a
moment, to take it back to God.
So for me, the processes,whatever.
So for me, the processes,whatever habits there we go,
start with God and end with God.
And to release the pressure ofmyself to say it's not all up to
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me, because if it is, I'm goingto mess it up royally.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Not a victory royale, not a victory royale, no, yeah,
yeah.
So one of the disciplines thatI have going on right now I
generally try to be in the Wordevery single day, but I actually
I also know that I thrive off achallenge and habit, and so my
challenge to myself andaccountability with another
really faithful follower ofJesus was to finish the Bible in
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six months, and so just there'sa reading plan for it, and to
just check in with that.
But even further than that,it's what did it mean then?
So then, what does it mean now?
And what helps for that for meis, you know, sometimes you just
open the scriptures and if youjust say, what does this mean
for me now, well then theBible's all about you.
But if you say, what did itmean at this time, then I can
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actually apply it faithfully tolike how it corresponds with my
life.
So that kind of approach justalways helps me realize that I,
you know, wherever we are at inour own minds, wherever I'm at
in my own head, with brokenness,with sin, we tend to,
particularly with people that,like struggle, with anxiety,
think that everything is up toyou, and I don't know if this is
kind of what you were alludingto as well, chad, when you were
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talking about it.
But it's not all about you andso if you can have something
that roots you in, it's abouthim every single day.
It's going to like reverberatethrough the rest of your day
that it's not all on me, like Iam responsible to fulfill what
the Lord has called me to do.
But I've read enough storiesnow in the scriptures where
people really stink at that, andso it's not like I have a
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comfort in, in, in.
We all stink together, but it'smore of a okay, well, the world
didn't end.
Then, uh, sin happened.
There were consequences forthat, but the world didn't end,
and so I don't have to carrythat on my shoulders.
And what's really freeing isthat, like, even when things go
really really well, that canactually set you up for more
anxiety, because it's like, oh,my goodness, I did this, like
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epic thing.
Whatever it is, now theexpectation is I'm going to do
this again every time I walkinto doing that same thing, and
that creates more anxiety andmore focus on yourself and less
focus on where life reallyshould be directed, and that's
at him.
And I think, same thing ifDavid, in that moment, would
have had just a Nathan toredirect his thoughts before the
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issue like this would not bethe same kind of story that down
and getting ready for bed is.
I have just my praise.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Time with God is what I call it, and I go through my
day and I praise him for all thethings that happened or all the
choices that I make, and myaccountability piece of that is
sometimes there's things that Idid that maybe I'm not so proud
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of or maybe I didn't handle asbest as I could, but I will turn
them into a way.
How can I praise him for theopportunity to grow or praise
Him for the opportunity to showthat I've learned from it?
And if he's going to put thatbefore me again, then I'm going
to make a better choice the nexttime.
But I really focus on thatwhole praising Him for what he
puts in front of me and then forhelping me get through it, and
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I try to just hold myselfaccountable to.
Okay, here's this choice thatI'm making or here's this tough
situation that I'm in.
Am I going to feel good aboutthe praise that I'm going to
have tonight?
or am I going to be praising fora learning experience with the
choices that I'm making and thathelps in the way my brain
functions.
I guess that helps me seek someclarity and seek more of him in
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my choices and decisions.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's so cool, cause it's like you owe your future
self that level of obedience toJesus.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And it like, and there's times I feel miserably,
but those are the times that Ilearn.
Okay, lord, this is.
I'm thanking you for theopportunity that I learned this
and that I can hopefully be abetter child of yours tomorrow,
or that I can make a betterchoice to reflect you tomorrow,
you know, or the next day, orwhenever it is.
So, speaking of failing, zach'snumber two point was when you
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fail respawn.
In Fortnite you have theopportunity to respawn, and this
is my after my savage axekilling experience in Fortnite.
The one job that I was given inFortnite when I would play with
my children is that I was therespawn card person.
My job was to hide, not getkilled, and when they died Hide
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in a bush right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yes, Hide in a bush.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
When they died I would run and get their card to
take to the respawn spot so thatthey could hey, every person
needs someone on the team.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There is a super popular channel called bushcraft
dad where this guy learns andhe's given like tips from all
sorts of people around the worldthe best places to hide and he
just like gets more XP and morepoints and stuff and he
accumulates that.
So it doesn't matter if he diesin the top 10% every time like
his ranking goes up because hejust hides long enough.
So this is a legit like way togo.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Dina, yeah, I was key to the respawn.
That was it.
But what did you guys take fromZach talking about that?
When you fail, respawn or thatpiece of things in the message?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean, I think it's where where the, the Lutheran
faith thrives, right Grace upongrace.
It's not any of your works thatyou've done, but it's the grace
of Jesus Christ, of your life,that when you mess up, there's a
clean slate that has been givento you again and you're going
to mess up again later and thenagain there's a clean slate, and
it's over and over and overagain.
And I still don't understand itfully.
(28:50):
I don't think anybody fullyunderstands grace, because it
really is just a free gift.
And I don't know about you guys, but my dad always told me
nothing's free.
Free doesn't make sense.
Who gets something out of thisequation, out of this situation?
But that's why I love theLutheran faith, because it just
emphasizes grace.
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So so much.
It's not of your works, but itis a free gift from the Lord.
And we're going to mess up andwe're going to do it over and
over and over again.
And Jesus is there over andover and over again and again.
I don't understand it and Iknow he's going to be there over
and over and over again for me.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I would agree, and I think one of the reasons why our
church body is so rich in thatunderstanding of grace, of
course, is because thescriptures are so.
You know, gospel of John saysthat Jesus is full of grace on
top of grace.
So it's not just like initialgrace that saves you, but then
you've got to do a bunch of workto keep it there, or you got to
do a bunch of work to finishthe process that he started.
(29:54):
No, it's his grace.
He started it, he completes it,that's all on him.
But then, like, there's actualexamples of multiple failures by
key leaders in the church afterthe resurrection that allow us
the opportunity to see how keygrace is to God's character and
how gracious he is.
Because, yeah, we can say he'sterrifyingly beautiful in a
storm and we can look at the lawand that's terrifying as well.
(30:15):
But then we look at Peter anddo you know that guy?
No, I don't know that manthat's on trial in there.
Well, you kind of sound likeyou're a Galilean.
No, I don't know who that is.
Like.
Three times he denies Jesus,and it's not just the rooster
crowing that connects with thetimes three, but it's also the
restoration after theresurrection where Jesus sees
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him.
And like the way that we dealwith failures is, we would see
the person that failed and atbest, we would be like oh, we're
fine.
But I don't really want to doanything with you anymore
because you failed Like youdidn't do your responsibility,
but instead Jesus sees him afterthe resurrection and makes sure
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that for as many times as Peterfailed, jesus restores him.
So he denies him three times.
Jesus restores him after theresurrection three times, and I
think that's what's key to learnfrom this fortnight kind of
like a respawn thing is thatit's not like well, I sinned,
was it 70 times seven?
I sinned 491 times, and sothat's more than what
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mathematically Jesus had in theformula no.
Instead it's like 491, stillforgiven, 492, still forgiven,
492, still forgiven.
The strength, the love, thedepth of Christ's sacrifice and
grace is so much more powerfulthan our failures and our sin,
and so man that hasn't saved mylife so many times, I don't know
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what has yeah, I really liked.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Zach kind of summed it up and he said the admission
price to freedom begins with anadmission of your sin.
Yeah, just opening that door tograce that Jesus provided.
So yeah, point three thatPastor Zach talked about was
wear the right skin.
In Fortnite there's all kindsof skins that you can get to
look like Star Wars characters,superheroes, punk rockers,
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anything in the galaxy.
What stuck out to you guysabout wearing the right skin in
that point of things?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Lexi, what stuck out to you guys about wearing the
right skin in that point ofthings?
I mean, it's the consistency ofour conversation here today
that we're broken, we're messedup and Jesus closed us with his
grace, with his righteousness,with his truth.
And over and over and overagain, we're going to mess up
time and time again.
And he said use Galatians 3,verse 27, in his message For all
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who are baptized into Christ,have clothed yourselves with
Christ.
That's a very interestingmetaphor and analogy to use.
And even we take it back.
And we're the old Adam is withinus, that we're broken, that the
man who started this wholeissue of sin, we're the ones
that continue it, that we haveAdam in our hearts and our souls
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and Jesus clothes us with hisrighteousness.
We're baptized, we're immersedinto his grace and that has
significant impact in all of ourlives.
From that moment on, knowingthat we're not defined by our
brokenness, we're not defined byhow many times we've sinned,
whether it's 495 or 2000,.
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But that we're defined by thegrace of Jesus Christ, that his
identity of a dearly loved andforgiven child of God is upon us
.
It's not how broken we are, butit, but it's.
It's who Jesus and who Jesus isand what he did for us.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I mean, I don't always, I can't always bring
things full circle, but I thinkwe're going to go back to the
soiled knickers and here's whereI'm going to go with that.
I think all of us have donesomething to stain ourselves and
, uh, there's a scripture inMalachi that talks about
cleansing us as a fuller's soapand it's like a launderer's soap
and that soap was like back inthat day.
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We're talking some seriouslystringent stuff and that's
what's necessary to clean.
We might ingest, talk about redknickers and such, but to think
about how powerful thecleansing power of the grace and
love of Jesus can be, it's likeyou're wearing new clothes, a
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complete set of new clothes, andit kind of gives you this view
of what we see in Jesus, in thetransfiguration story, with him
and Moses and Elijah, is that heis so dazzlingly white in terms
of his appearance and clothing,and I just mean that as in just
purity and that's all thatyou're experiencing.
(34:39):
To think that, like when wethink of ourselves, we kind of
think of ourselves as soil andbroken, and rightfully we are.
When we look at ourselvesthrough the light of the law, we
are.
But if that's all you see, thenyou're not getting the full
story, because there is thispurity that we have, that's like
put upon us us, that cleansesus like a fuller soap, that
(35:03):
illustrates that we are not justthe broken darkness that you
know like hides in the heart ofevery single person, but there
is this terrifying beauty of thepurity of God and his holiness
that also indwells in us too.
And so you know it put being orhaving new clothes put onto you
in baptism and forgiveness andthat that's a powerful thing
(35:23):
that I hope that people likewhen they just get ready in the
morning and they put on, youknow like, well, I hope you all
put on new clothes I put on.
I did.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, well, jack, you , you're good, all right, good.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
But when we do, you know there's just some like
daily things that you do thatyou can actually like read some
gracious, important to them.
So, like Luther talked about,when you daily take a bath, like
taking a bath to me is grossbut a shower.
I mean that's not as gross.
You remember your baptism.
When you put on new clothes forthe day, you can remember grace
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and forgiveness and beingclothed in Christ.
Put on new clothes for the day,you can remember grace and
forgiveness and being clothed inChrist.
So there's just some thingsthat you can do in your day that
kind of go back to our otherconversation about reading the
word being in prayer.
You know, talking to yourexpectations of your future self
that connect to that view ofgrace for you too.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I really liked.
Zach said the fortnight is.
You know?
You want to be the one that'sleft other than the 99.
And Zach said that Jesus is nottrying to outlast the 99.
He came to give his life forthe 99.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like he wants to be the one to sacrifice for
everyone else, not even for hisbenefit, but for the benefit of
the 99.
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And I think when we mess up or when we fail, or when
you know we're in the wrongposition, we feel very isolated
and we feel like this is just me.
Everyone else is doing greatand it's just me.
But we see, even through thestory, somebody as great as
David still messes up, and so wecan take heart that Jesus came
for all of us, not just thewinner, but for everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And if you hear David's story, he's a monster
right, like what the kid said inKids Men, he's quite literally
a monster in this story.
He's the horrible guy who sleepswith somebody else's wife, who
has a child out of wedlock andthen kills the husband.
And you could see David as thisawful man and when he is, and
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in the New Testament he'slabeled as a man after God's own
heart.
And I think that transformation, that shift, can only be done
through the grace of Jesus.
That that again it's.
It's nothing that you've donewrong, it's nothing that you've
done right or wrong, but it'severything that Jesus has done
for you and that it's that'sable to let me live my life
without the pressure of doingthe right things all the time or
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not seeking to not do the wrongthings.
I've heard the gospel of sin.
Management is what we can oftenget in the depths of, where, oh
, if I just stop sinning, thenI'll be righteous, if I stop
doing these bad things, thenJesus will love me.
Well, it's not.
The true gospel is in your sin,in your transgressions.
Jesus is with you and he's inthe depths of your hurt with you
(38:00):
.
And that's the true gospel notbeing perfect, but understanding
that Jesus was perfect for you,so now you don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Amen, all right, so this was the end of our Game On
series.
What are you guys' finaltakeaways from this series this
year?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I always thought that the game was over when my kids
were playing, so they would justbe watching the screen and I'd
be like why are you still, like,plugged into this?
Can you please go do yourhomework now, or can you do a
chore?
And they're like dad, I canrespawn, but I think what I'm
going to be taking is the valueof taking something that people
(38:39):
know, whether they like it ornot, in terms of video games.
But just seeing that as afilter through which the
scriptures are magnified isincredibly important.
Uh, it's uh.
I can imagine that there'sprobably people that are like ah
, it's a series on video games.
No, it's a series on David.
It just happens to be thatpeople know more about video
games, sadly, right now, thanthey know about David, and this
(39:00):
is a doorway through which theycan see David more clearly.
And as they see David, they cansee themselves or they'll see
Jesus engaging with your culture, as long as you don't become
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your culture Cause, like, mytakeaway is not that I'm going
to go around and find, like abunch of people, that I'm going
to take a what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
A pickaxe to whatever you did.
Like that's not my takeaway,yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Thou shalt not, so I shan't shan't, I shan't.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I should, should, shall not.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's going off the rails real fast.
But that there's a value, avery high value, to knowing what
happens in everyday people'slives, because that will give
you an opportunity to preachChrist crucified and resurrected
in a way that they weren'tanticipating, and that's a good
thing.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, I just love looking at David's story from
start to finish and seeing a lotof great things, a lot of
succession, succession,succeeding successes successes,
a lot of successes and a lot offailures, and for me I can
relate to that a hundred percent.
I've failed a lot.
I've succeeded a lot and I betyou guys have to, whatever's
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going on in your life.
I haven't seen Dean.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Ophelia, it's just me .
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, you heard the story earlier.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
That's just an accident.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Just an accident there we go Um, whatever you've
been through, whatever you'vegone through good, bad, whatever
God can flip that around andcontinue to grow that into
something beautiful that he hasfor you.
So follow, follow his lead andknow that it's not all on you.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I really like what you said there about David being
relatable.
That's.
What really sticks out to me is, whether you look at the video
game aspect of this or the Davidaspect of this, I think this
series really reminded me howwe're all connected and we all
make really great choices andreally horrible choices and
whether that's in a video gameor in real life, we can all be
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proud of and learn from thoseexperiences, and that's really
kind of what continued to comeout to me each week.
So thank you guys so much forbeing here.
We start a new message seriesnext week.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Pardon this Interruption and Pastor Seth, we
get to hear you preach now.
Yeah, well, gospel and Mark isgoing to preach itself.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That's what I love about this perspective on this
is like Mark had this veryspecific style where he'll start
a story, he'll interrupt thatstory and then he'll bring it
back into resolution so thatthey all actually resolve
themselves with the same majorpoint that Jesus is trying to
teach.
And so that's what we're goingto learn as he interrupts our
life, and that's the way itshould be every single day.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I'm looking forward to it.
So until then, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday
you.
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