October 22, 2025 • 35 mins
Dina, Julie, and Tyler unpack what it means to live generously in a world that is constantly chasing more. They explore how shifting our focus from possessions to purpose brings freedom, joy, and impact that lasts far beyond this life.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dina Newsome, and Ihave some fun guests today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
Hi, everybody.
My name is Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director atKing of Kings.
And my name is Tyler Rolfson,admirer of Julie Easley.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Wow, thanks.
SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
But my official title is campus director for
Fremont.
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
No, I think I'm the president of Julie's fan group.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Oh, wow.
I'm feeling the love, guys.
Thanks.
I like you both too.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
Election day is next month.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Yes, here we go.
SPEAKER_03 (00:42):
Put your vote in now if you want Tyler to take over.
All right.
Well, I don't know if you guysknow it, but we are recording
this on Tuesday, October 21st.
And today is National Back tothe Future Day.
Ooh, that's a Back to the Futuremovies.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Tyler probably wasn't even born.
Was it 1985?
Wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I think, yes.
I think 85, 85 or 87, right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
But when sorry, Julie, no, I was not born.
So painful.
SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
But have you seen them?
Oh, yeah.
Have you?
Okay.
When Marty McFly went back intime in the original one, the
date was October 21st.
So that is why October 21st nowfor 10 years has been national
Back to the Future Day.
So my question for you is whatfuture invention from movies
about the future are youdisappointed has not been an
(01:34):
actuality yet?
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Well, what first thing I'll say on Back to the
Future is isn't it in the secondmovie that they go forward 30
years to the year 2015, which isnow 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
I think that one's so sober.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
But one of the like, like, could it ever be sort of
fantastical things was that theChicago Cubs won the World
Series in Back to the Future 2in the year 2015, and they
actually won it in 2016.
Wow.
So that was pretty darn close asa prediction.
Yeah.
That's good.
SPEAKER_03 (02:06):
So not an invention, but a happening.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
100%.
For which we can all give thanksto God.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
I think as I am stuck on 80 with that endless
construction that will never goaway.
I want a Jetsons flying car, butjust for me, so I can sail over
everybody else and be like,yeah, that's what I want.
SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
It was not in Back to the Future, but my biggest
disappointment that we don'thave yet is teleportation.
I I watch Star Trek.
And I just want to beat me up.
Yeah.
I, you know, I want to, I don'tI hate driving.
I hate flying.
I just want to teleportsomewhere.
SPEAKER_00 (02:44):
That would be great.
That does sound convenient.
SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
I also wouldn't mind in Back to the Future, he slips
on those futuristic shoes thatthen automatically adjust to his
shoe size.
I that to me, that would begreat too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
Agreed.
So in Back to the Future 3,that's where they go back a
hundred years.
SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
To the Wild West.
SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
1885, right?
Wild, Wild West.
Yeah.
And my favorite part of thatmovie is when Doc has this giant
contraption with all the 1885things to then create one ice
cube.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Oh, wow.
See, I only watched the firstone.
I never watched it.
You're missing out.
I didn't even know there was atwo and three.
SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
Yeah.
Goodness.
I know.
Um uh I'm totally blanking onwhat's the actor's name?
Who plays Marty?
Um Michael J.
Fox.
Yes, Michael J.
Foxx just released a book.
Really?
Uh that's about his umexperience on Back to the Future
movies and the TV show, FamilyTies, that he was on just
recently.
I have seen in the I have notread it or he seems like a good
(03:43):
dude.
100%.
All right.
So now moving back to ourpresent, we are currently Queen
of Transitions.
SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
Let's go, Dina.
SPEAKER_03 (03:53):
I dust off my cape.
The giving challenge, we are inweek three of this message
series, and Pastor Zach Zenderis leading us through.
This week we talked about givingeternally, trading ownership for
stewardship.
So, what jumped out at you guysthe most?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this week's message?
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
I mentioned this in message planning today.
I just found that the examplethat or the story that he told
at the top was so like a perfectfit for the whole message.
And just think about how oftenwe're captivated by things of
this world.
And they become s of primaryimportance so often unless we
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really keep our eye on what'smost important.
And you know, that mom who iscompletely ignorant of all the
scary things.
Right.
Hawaii, yeah.
But um, and then and then herfamily, who is so captured in
that moment by what washappening to them right now.
And I can be that person reallycaptured by what's happening to
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me right now.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
I I think the image, controlling image that I walked
away from Sunday, uh, was thethe hotel thing.
He came back to it a number oftimes.
Um, and then it's one of thebooks, one of the days this week
in the in the Giving Challengebook, where he kind of has this
kind of accompanying fictionalparable where he's staying at a
staying at a hotel and it'slike, oh, there's a Walmart
(05:25):
across the street.
I'm gonna go buy some nicersheets.
And then I'm like, oh, you know,get a Dyson uh Dyson uh fan.
And I'm like, well, you know,our TV in the hotel room is kind
of small.
Like, what if I go buy a 60-inchTV?
Like by the end of it, he'slike, obviously, this is a
parable.
This has not actually happened.
Although I did wonder, I'm like,Zach, did you actually do this?
Like, but just drawing out thepoint of we it it just hit home
(05:48):
probably in a deeper way for me.
Is like, oh wow, a hotel is notmy home.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
No, and it seems so ridiculous to outfit it.
SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
Because it's so temporary.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
And to say, well, what is my home?
And how often am I really like II walk the question I have here
is like, do it, do I have anunhealthy relationship with my
stuff?
And the answer is probably yes.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
We all do.
unknown (06:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Um, I really liked where he talked about when he
was talking about stuff, and hetalked about um in a book he
read, I think it was, or aspeaker, I can't remember, that
said, Oh, well, a certainpercentage of you are Lutheran
and a certain percentage of youare this.
But 100% of Americans arematerialistic.
And I was like, how true isthat?
Yeah.
(06:35):
No matter what our income is, weare materialistic.
All right.
So um the story that he openedwith was about if you haven't
watched the message yet, Iencourage you to go back and
watch it.
Um, but it was about a falsealarm that people in Hawaii
received where they got a textmessage that went out that said
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there's a missile coming andthey should get to safety.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Um they went to a hotel lobby.
SPEAKER_03 (07:04):
Maybe it was decked out from the Walmart across the
street.
Yeah.
Um, and this, you know, for whatdo you say, 36 minutes or
something like that, untilanother text message came out
realizing this was a falsealarm, someone had hit a wrong
button, and there was a familythat was having this experience
where the father and childrencould not find the mother,
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couldn't get a hold of her inthis, in their thinking the
world is ending or their worldis ending.
And then um, when they finallygot a hold of her, she was
oblivious to the whole thing,had just gotten out of the
shower after being on thetreadmill and having a
conversation about kitchenupgrades, like countertops.
How did you relate to that?
Where do you think you wouldfall in that like story?
(07:48):
Would you be in the panicking?
Would you be oblivious andtalking about countertops?
Like, or how did that story hityou?
SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
Yeah.
Um, well, part of it justdepends on your station, right?
Like if you're the the reasonshe was having these kind of
flippant conversations is thatshe didn't see the text, right?
Right.
Um, and I think kind of maybeone of the purposes of why Zach
brought it up is to kind of saythat, hey, there's no excuse.
I'm ringing the bell right now.
The the life that you live nowis but a blip on the radar of
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eternity.
And you've probably seen, andit's probably been talked about
a number of times, but thatfamous Francis Chan illustration
of a crazy long rope, right?
That's what 60, 70, 80, 90 feetlong.
And then he has like a two-inchtape wrap at the end of the
rope.
And he said, That two inches oftape are the 70, 80, maybe 90
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years you have in this life.
And the rest of this rope iseternity.
And there's just something aboutour sinful flesh that just kind
of puts blinders on to eternalsignificance.
And in a way, Zach was even thiswas not a false alarm, it's a
real thing.
It's like eternity is coming.
(09:06):
Where are your values on thisside of heaven?
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Yeah.
Agreed.
And I think that it shows up ina number of ways.
It's not even just how we viewpossessions, but just thinking
about where we invest our timein our most important
relationships and what are thethings that we're talking about?
What's our vision for thefuture?
Eternity is long.
So as I'm raising my children,what are the things that I'm
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talking to them about as thingsof primary importance?
Um, how am I loving my neighborwell?
Right.
So it's just storing uptreasures in heaven versus
treasures on earth.
It's so important to keep thatvision in front of us at all
times, but it's easy for it tobe bumped off.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:46):
Were you guys surprised?
I was so surprised.
He shared that statistic ofAmericans who believe in Jesus.
Yeah.
And it was like 60 some percentbelieve in Jesus, and 33% of
Americans believe in anafterlife.
And I'm like, oh, they they theythey really we we really do need
(10:08):
an alarm.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Yes.
Yeah, that was sobering.
unknown (10:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:12):
Uh when he was telling that story, I was just
thinking of that 36 minutes andwhat my brain would be like
during that 36 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Take us into it, Dina.
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
You you both panic.
I'm really good in a crisis, butI'm not so sure I would be good
in that crisis.
I you both are parents.
You you ever lost your child,yes, you know, in a public place
for what seems like 10 hours.
Yes.
And it's really a minute.
Yeah.
You know, I just my son was fiveyears old the first time we took
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him on a plane to Hong Kong.
And Hong Kong is a city of 10million people.
And he got behind someone whereI couldn't see him at a subway
stop once.
And just the panic in thatmoment, because how would I ever
find him if I lost him in acountry across the world, you
know?
And that's what I just keptthinking of in that 36 minutes.
(11:05):
I mean, my thoughts would onlybe about being with my family
and making sure my family wassafe.
Yes.
Because that's the mostinvaluable valuable thing to me.
And so then how do I put that inperspective of am I making sure
that my friends and my lovedones are safe for eternity?
Yeah.
You know, like, okay, maybethere's some people I need to
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talk to.
Maybe there's some someconversations I need to have.
Maybe there's some more invitesto church I need to issue out,
or know things.
And I just that, you know, whereyou can't breathe, your heart
stops.
That's what I think.
Okay.
Does God feel like that?
You know what I mean?
Like about us because he caresso much for us.
I just that's I just couldn'tget out of that feeling.
SPEAKER_00 (11:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Yeah.
So um another statistic thatZach shared is that storage
facilities are primarily in theUnited States.
The US has 90% of the world'sstorage facilities.
And so I have a biblicalquestion and a fun question for
you.
First, the fun question.
(12:09):
What's your guilty pleasure thatyou store or that you think you
you can't get rid of?
Maybe you don't need a storagefacility for it.
It's not a huge clip, but what'syour thing that you're like, I
just don't want to get rid ofthis, but I probably don't need
to hang on to this stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
So we don't we don't have currently have a need for a
storage facility because I feellike every month I pay my
mortgage, I'm paying for astorage facility in my basement
that just has empty room uponempty room upon empty room.
If you guys want to swing byFremont, I'll give you a tour.
It's not very exciting.
Um and so I but I mean we didjust do a cross-country move and
(12:50):
like it kind of you get face toface with the stuff.
And I'm like, some of this stufflike I don't want to get rid of
because it is family heirloomsor you know, memories.
Like at my my kids when theygrow up and when they have kids,
like they're gonna want to havethis stuff.
They would, but other things,I'm like, oh my gosh.
(13:12):
How many, how many boxes of giftused gift bags do we need to
bring with us to Nebraska?
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
I have a I have a tiny problem with decorative
plates.
Oh.
So I have a lot of them in myhutch, and I also have some of
them on my walls.
And my husband, who is verygenerous about letting me just
do whatever decorating we wantin our house, we have a big
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archway in our my kitchen, andI'm like, I'm putting plates
over the whole thing.
And he was like, No.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
This is the one he was drawing the line.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
It's like we have enough of them everywhere, so
let's just stop.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
My mom used to have a decorative plate, but she
would get them when they travel.
And so they were memories toher, and they used to line a
hallway in our basement.
Yeah.
My dad was so excited to get ridof that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
I think Dale would be in his camp.
Can I ask a men a question onbehalf of all the men right now?
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
So when you say decorative plate, you're
referring to a plate that I willnever eat off of.
Okay.
I just wanted to be sure.
Play only.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Yeah.
I mean, I could eat.
I mean, you know what?
There are some in my hutch thatwe eat off of, like on
Thanksgiving and stuff.
But like mostly it's just tolook pretty in a in a hutch, and
then they're hanging.
The ones on the wall, no one'seating off of.
Of course.
SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Because once you take it off the wall, now you
have people on the wall.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
So if you're at a dinner party, your kitchen now
is out of like out of function.
Well, not no, it's no, it'sfunction is not the purpose
here.
This is clearly not a functionalargument.
Just decorative.
Decorative.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just yeah.
Don't try to understand.
It's just a thing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:59):
Dale, I I hear you.
I hear you right now, Dale.
SPEAKER_03 (15:05):
I have a problem with my children's keepsakes
that I think they don't thinkare keepsakes.
unknown (15:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
For example.
Have they told you so?
SPEAKER_03 (15:12):
Um, no, because I don't really give them access to
them.
I just keep them for a day whenso my oldest daughter is
married.
And after she was married andthey got a house, I packed up
all of her stuff lovingly,carefully, organized it by
boxes, elementary school, middleschool, high school, turned it
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all over to her.
I have no idea if she still hasit or not.
I think maybe she does.
My middle daughter does not havethe room for me to gift her
things.
I think she would just get ridof them because she could care
less.
My son has no interest even inanything.
But for example, when I waspacking up my daughter's stuff,
my daughters did swim team inthe summer, like just a fun swim
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team, like not highlycompetitive when they were in
elementary school.
And they would get a ribbon forevery event they would compete
in.
And they would compete in fourdifferent events every week, all
summer.
So we would end the summer with50 or 60 ribbons.
I kept them all wrapped up withtheir time cards.
Oh my.
(16:16):
Never in a million years willany of us need to look at this
and remember when you were eightyears old, you swam the 25 meter
butterfly in however manyseconds.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
It is recreational summer swimming.
SPEAKER_03 (16:29):
I go.
But I was like at a point duringwhen I was packing the stuff up
where I can't get rid of this.
This is a memory.
You know, if they get rid of it,that's on them.
I feel like I feel someobligation to keep it until they
are in the space to properlyidentify whether they want to
keep it.
And that age is not 18 or 25.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
I was gonna say, what is the age, DNA?
SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
I think like a marriage is like 45.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
After she's gone.
SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
They can go through it when I'm dead.
SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
You're like mom.
SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
I don't know.
I have so many keepsakes that Ilove from my childhood.
I do not have swimming ribbonsor something as insignificant as
that.
But my ex-husband, when we gotmarried, had very little.
Like his family had been in themilitary, moved a lot, had been
through some just family dynamicchanges, and he had nothing from
his childhood.
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And I always thought, oh, howhorrible.
He didn't really have a problemwith it.
I did.
Right.
So I was sure not gonna let ourchildren live this devastating
life.
Yeah.
But that's my guilty pleasure.
Okay.
So then shifting gears to whenZach was talking about these
storage facilities, he talkedabout Luke 12, 13 to 21, which
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is the parable of the man whohas plenty or whatever you want
to call it.
Where basically, I don't know,do you do you want to summarize
it, Tyler?
You want me to?
No, go forward.
Oh, yeah.
So basically, this guy has gottoo much stuff and decides to
store all of his stuff.
He needs to tear down all hisbarns and build bigger barns.
And the Lord pretty much says,You fool, uh, you're gonna die
(18:13):
tonight.
What good is all this stuff?
Like share it.
Um, and so how does that parablehit you when we're talking about
our guilty storage pleasures orthe things that we keep keep?
What does that make you thinkof?
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
So um it's a it's a Zach emphasized this in the
message where he he said, Jesusdoesn't even say it's wrong.
He says it's a foolish thing todo.
It's a it's a it's a dumb, heeven used the word stupid.
Can I say that on this podcast,Dina?
Yes, you can.
Thank you, thank you, Julie.
SPEAKER_03 (18:48):
Julie's my boss.
So if she says so.
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
So this is what I noticed yesterday.
I was rereading this.
Um, obviously, for those whodon't know, context in scripture
matters a ton, that what comesbefore something, what comes
after something helpscontextualize.
And so after this parable,here's what Jesus says.
Jesus said to his disciples,Therefore I tell you, do not be
anxious about your life, whatyou will eat, or about your
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body, what you will put be put,or what you will put on.
For life is more than food, bodymore than clothing.
And then listen to this verse.
Consider the ravens, theyneither sow nor reap, they have
neither storehouse nor barn.
It's like, oh, Jesus, it's likeyou knew what you were doing.
And to be clear, this is not umGod saying, don't have savings
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accounts, don't prepare for thefuture.
Like we need to be wise and uhtake care of our families and
that sort of thing.
But I think we all kind of knowso much of this series is about
the heart, right?
And where your treasure is,there your heart will be also.
And we we kind of know wherethat line is, where it's it just
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kind of becomes about more andmore and more.
And newsflash, enough neverhappens.
So where when we have thiseternal perspective, like, oh
yeah, we actually can't take anyof this with us.
So we need to bring some valuesof heaven into our earthly realm
to more reflect the generosityof God.
SPEAKER_03 (20:19):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (20:20):
I also think about just um the orphan mentality
that a lot of us still carryaround with us, the idea that we
don't have a loving father whois going to be providing for
everything that we need.
And so therefore, I need to umtake care of myself, protect
myself, comfort myself with mystuff.
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And Jesus is saying, look, youhave a loving father who is
gonna take care of all of this.
So instead of having this whiteknuckle grip on everything
that's gonna keep you safe andprotected and happy and
comforted and good, let it go.
Uh, release the grip.
You have a father who cares foryou very much and who's going to
be providing your needs andbeyond.
SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
Let it go, my three-year-old granddaughter.
Yes.
She's obsessed with frozen andhears that song all the time.
There it is.
Just be like Elsa.
Let it go.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Let it go.
SPEAKER_03 (21:15):
Um, so one of the other things that Zach really
talked about was um from FirstTimothy 6, 10.
And that verse is often likemislooked at.
What the verse actually says isfor the love of money is a root
of all kinds of evil.
What people often misquote it isthat money is the root of all
evil.
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But it clearly says for the loveof money.
And then Zach kind of took thatverse and he flipped it and he
said, What if the reverse weretrue?
For the love of generosity is aroot of all kinds of good.
How did that guy strike youguys?
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
I I think it's a I think it's a really cool,
honest, rhetorical uh flip.
Um, I never thought about thatbefore, uh, because we we always
hear it in the negative.
And he and he was responsiblewith it.
He said, What if this is you?
Um and you know, throughout thiswhole series, it's uh we're
we're saying, hey, God's been sogenerous with us.
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Um, how can we develop habits ofgenerosity that become that kind
of that kind of fight againstthat internal sinful nature that
wants to, like Julie just said,kind of kind of grip and
control.
And um uh okay, my mind justslipped.
What what was our questionagain?
SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
We were the verse.
When you flipped it.
Yeah, how does that hit you?
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
So then yeah, so then my mind went to our our our
kind of focus uh coming out ofeach of the messages of the
campuses is was putting aspotlight on our partnership in
Guatemala.
And I shared at the Fremontcampus, uh, you know, every time
our family goes to eat out atChipotle, it's usually more than
$45 because our kids are eatingnot like five-year-olds anymore.
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And$45 a month not only feedsone of these children in in
Guatemala, but does housing anduh education and puts them in
Christian discipleship and kindof builds up this community.
Um, and so think about for whatthe generous act of$45 a month,
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which for many of us it it'sactually does it's not actually
very much percentage-wisecompared to income.
Um, but then all the good thatcan come out of that in this
community.
And I was I was telling some ofthe people at our Pizza with
Purpose event afterwards, um,there's a reason that we're
doing this as a 10-yearpartnership with actually an
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exit strategy, not because weonly want to come in and go out,
but actually we we want to setthem up to to to not rely on on
other because we want them to beself-supporting and um kind of
kind of do do their thing.
We don't want to help, we don'twant to uh in the process of
helping actually hurt what Godwants to do in this community.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah.
It's a runway.
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that too.
I I thought that that was such apoignant phrase and just
remembering that um the thingsthat God asks us to do are not
for our punishment or to make usmiserable.
It's for our flourishing and forour good.
And so when God asks us to begenerous, he knows it's the best
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thing for our hearts, and we'llbe deriving a lot of joy and
peace from that.
And so um I do think it's truethat generosity is just gonna be
get a lot of wonderful things inour lives.
Not that it's always gonna beeasy, but I think I think it's
just a guarantee that that yourspirit will flourish when you're
walking in the commands ofJesus.
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
I really got stuck on the first part of it for the
love of generosity, because Ithought, do I love generosity?
Like, do I like feeling goodabout myself if I donate to
something or serve a worthycause or something?
I do.
I do like the feeling, thedopamine, the happiness, quote
unquote, that I get from that.
But do I love generosity?
And I started thinking about thestory with the missile, the fake
(25:11):
missile, and how I'd want to bewith the people that I love,
that I really do treasure.
Do I treat generosity like that?
And I got stuck on that.
And I gotta tell you, my brainhas not fully wrapped around it
of okay, how do I put generosityin a position in my life where I
am loving it, where I amhonoring it, where that's a very
valuable, important thing.
(25:32):
Because I don't really thinkthat's where it is right now in
my life.
And so how can I work towardsthat?
Yeah.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
So I I really with the whole theme is um trading
ownership for stewardship andthis giving eternally theme.
Um, at the end, and maybe thisis where the next part was going
anyway, Dina.
Um, but in the end, you know,Zach's saying, well, us what a
steward does is reflecting theheart of the owner.
And so he gave those threethings.
(25:59):
So what does God's heart beatfor when it comes to being
generous, right?
It's for the the the poor.
That's all throughout scripture,caring for the poor.
It is um uh saving the lost,God's heart's for the lost,
those who don't yet know Jesus,and then strengthening believers
of the church.
Um, the the more that I thinkthat our generosity can reflect
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God's heart, I think that'swhere the greatest good can come
out of it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:24):
Yeah.
So that steward versus owner, ifyou are following the Giving
Challenge book, um, there islike a questionnaire that you
can fill out, a steward versusowner mindset.
Um, if not, you can find it onour website.
If you go to watch the latestmessage, and then there's a
discussion guide that you canview that has that questionnaire
(26:45):
on there.
I think that's a reallyimportant part to look at the
difference between stewardversus owner.
So the other thing Zach talkedabout was three wins, three wins
you get when you're generouseternally.
And one is just happiness.
He talked about the dopamine inyour brain, you know, is equal
when you're generous as todoubling your income.
And that is phenomenal to me.
Like, but um, and then numbertwo, he talked about eternal
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rewards, obviously our time inheaven.
And then number three, pointingothers to Jesus, that that is
the third win that comes from usbeing generous.
How did that touch you guys?
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
You know, I I I thought a little bit about um
the work that we've been doingum with these public schools and
how our generosity in thoseplaces have brought people to
our church because they're it'sjust in a world that can feel so
ungenerous and so jaded, seeingacts of generosity is so
(27:45):
refreshing and points tosomething beautiful.
And I think people areinterested in finding what the
source of that beauty is.
So I I I think generosity issuch a jewel in today's world.
And we would it's to our benefitand to the kingdom's benefit to
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exercise that as often as wecan.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
Can you give those three one more time?
SPEAKER_03 (28:11):
So one is happiness, two, eternal rewards, and three
is pointing others to Jesus.
The three wins.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah.
So a little peek behind thecurtain, Dina, you came out to
Fremont last week, met withChristy and me and a kind of
community representative.
We're we're talking about kindof the possibilities of a night
to shine in Fremont.
For those who don't know, Nightto Shine is put on by the Tim
Tebow Foundation.
Actually, Dina, you do thespiel.
You oversee the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03 (28:37):
Night to Shine is a prom night experience for um
youth ages 14 to 18 with specialneeds that happens on the same
day and time everywhere acrossthe world.
There's like a 700 locationsthat that experience this event.
Um, and it has a gospel focustalking about where all teens,
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even those who have specialneeds, are true daughters and
sons of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
Absolutely.
That's wonderful.
It's like you've made that pitchbefore a few times.
I know.
Um But what reminded me of thatis um you you said in that
meeting, if if churches go intoputting on night to shine,
expecting like you invest thisamount of money and time, you're
going to get ROI in, you know,and if you go in with that sort
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of expectation, you'll be verydisappointed.
Because night to shine is notthe kind of event that is gonna
bring a bunch of people to yourchurch, maybe.
But what it does is it creates aculture of being generous to
people that are oftenoverlooked.
And then what that's what PastorGreg has done at King Kings for
all these years is what does itlook like for us to develop a
reputation beyond our walls andthat's a generous place?
(29:51):
And that's a place I want to bea part of.
Um, and so yes, night to shineis like the ultimate happiness
night.
How can you not walk away, justjust smile?
From ear to ear, um, but to seeall of the good that comes out
of it that is not even like yourown immediate benefit.
Because if we're if we're onlyapproaching generosity as
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transactional, meaning I'm gonnado this for what I'm gonna get
on the other side, we're kind ofmissing that.
And I think Zach says thisanother point.
He says, Giving is the ultimatetest of love.
And so if we're loving the worldas God does, we're going to be
generous in our giving.
SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
Zach talked about how proud he was to be a pastor
of King of Kings, that it getstalked about, oh, that's that
generous church.
And you mentioning the schoolpartnerships just makes me think
of, I mean, I've had countlessinteractions.
I one of our touch points isDisney Elementary for our
Millard campus.
And as the associate directorhere, I go see them, you know,
in one form or another everymonth.
(30:51):
And um, what we do most often istake a snack cart around.
We fill it with chips and cheesesticks and sodas and fruit bars
and just roll around to theclassrooms and knock on the door
and give every staff member achoice of a snack.
And I'm shocked at how thankfulthey are.
It's a cheese stick and a Dr.
Pepper.
And you would think that I gavethem a firstborn.
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Like they're just so grateful.
But one day when we were goingaround and there was a new
teacher, a new staff member.
And she kind of looked at theother staff member in a room,
like, what's this?
Do we have to pay for this?
You know?
And the teacher who had beenthere for a while said, Oh no,
these are our friends from Kingof Kings.
They just come here and love onus.
(31:34):
And I was like, that statementright there, that's what I want
to publicize.
We just want to show up and loveon you.
We don't care where you're from.
We don't, you know, we careabout your eternity, but right
now I'm not here to preach toyou.
I'm not here to pray for you.
I'm here just to love you.
And the rest of it hopefullycomes down the line as a part of
(31:55):
starting that relationship.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Okay, so as we wrap up, what are your final
takeaways from this week?
SPEAKER_01 (32:06):
So as I was uh reading the devotions for this
week, so today we're recordingon Tuesday.
So we've had, I think, two daysin the Giving Eternity week.
Um, there was an emphasis on oneof the days about how on the on
the own owner steward question,how we we don't belong to
ourselves, right?
Paul says this in 1 Corinthians6.
(32:27):
He says, You were bought at aprice.
You are not your own.
We belong to God.
And my my heart and mind justwent back to this beautiful
song.
If you guys have not listened toit, I encourage you to just pull
it up after this podcast.
It's called I Am Not My Own byKeith and Kristen Getty.
Um, and we we we did it um inthe spring before in Connecticut
(32:50):
before moving out here.
And from this three threedifferent perspectives of um
imagine like a littlesix-year-old girl saying,
singing to God, I am not my own,and then a teenager girl saying,
I am not my own, and then anadult woman singing, I am not,
but in in and the different lifestages, but then that same
chorus, I belong to the Lord, Iam not my own.
(33:13):
I'm like, man, I more and more Iwant to be living out as that
faithful steward that I don'tbelong to myself.
I'm I'm I'm no owner, I belongto Jesus.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Yeah.
It's good.
Kind of thinking aboutstewardship too, and this wasn't
something that my parents saidto me explicitly.
And I think even if they did, itwouldn't have been in a weird,
damaging way.
But just when I just was awareof the fact when I was,
especially when I was maybe ateenager, like I I was like a
(33:47):
representative for my family outin the world.
And I I loved my parents anddidn't want to do something that
would bring shame to our familyname.
And in the same way, I want tobe a good representative of the
family of Jesus and to God myfather.
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And I want to be the bestrepresentative of that family
that I can be.
And so stewardship is that justwanting to lift higher our
father and our our family name.
SPEAKER_03 (34:27):
That's beautiful.
I like that.
The quote that really stuck outto me was one that Zach said
from Martin Luther that justsaid, God does not need your
good works, but your neighbordoes.
And I was just like, Okay, allright, God.
Yeah, I'll work on that.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here.
We will jump into week four ofthe Giving Challenge uh this
(34:49):
next week, where we're gonnaintroduce kind of an exciting
thing where guests canparticipate.
I'm excited at the campuses.
So pay attention during theservice.
Come to service if you don'tnormally come and hear more.
Until then, let's keep livingour faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dina Newsome, and Ihave some fun guests today.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
Hi, everybody.
My name is Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director atKing of Kings.
And my name is Tyler Rolfson,admirer of Julie Easley.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Wow, thanks.
SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
But my official title is campus director for
Fremont.
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
No, I think I'm the president of Julie's fan group.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Oh, wow.
I'm feeling the love, guys.
Thanks.
I like you both too.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
Election day is next month.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Yes, here we go.
SPEAKER_03 (00:42):
Put your vote in now if you want Tyler to take over.
All right.
Well, I don't know if you guysknow it, but we are recording
this on Tuesday, October 21st.
And today is National Back tothe Future Day.
Ooh, that's a Back to the Futuremovies.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Tyler probably wasn't even born.
Was it 1985?
Wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I think, yes.
I think 85, 85 or 87, right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
But when sorry, Julie, no, I was not born.
So painful.
SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
But have you seen them?
Oh, yeah.
Have you?
Okay.
When Marty McFly went back intime in the original one, the
date was October 21st.
So that is why October 21st nowfor 10 years has been national
Back to the Future Day.
So my question for you is whatfuture invention from movies
about the future are youdisappointed has not been an
(01:34):
actuality yet?
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Well, what first thing I'll say on Back to the
Future is isn't it in the secondmovie that they go forward 30
years to the year 2015, which isnow 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
I think that one's so sober.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
But one of the like, like, could it ever be sort of
fantastical things was that theChicago Cubs won the World
Series in Back to the Future 2in the year 2015, and they
actually won it in 2016.
Wow.
So that was pretty darn close asa prediction.
Yeah.
That's good.
SPEAKER_03 (02:06):
So not an invention, but a happening.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
100%.
For which we can all give thanksto God.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
I think as I am stuck on 80 with that endless
construction that will never goaway.
I want a Jetsons flying car, butjust for me, so I can sail over
everybody else and be like,yeah, that's what I want.
SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
It was not in Back to the Future, but my biggest
disappointment that we don'thave yet is teleportation.
I I watch Star Trek.
And I just want to beat me up.
Yeah.
I, you know, I want to, I don'tI hate driving.
I hate flying.
I just want to teleportsomewhere.
SPEAKER_00 (02:44):
That would be great.
That does sound convenient.
SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
I also wouldn't mind in Back to the Future, he slips
on those futuristic shoes thatthen automatically adjust to his
shoe size.
I that to me, that would begreat too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
Agreed.
So in Back to the Future 3,that's where they go back a
hundred years.
SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
To the Wild West.
SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
1885, right?
Wild, Wild West.
Yeah.
And my favorite part of thatmovie is when Doc has this giant
contraption with all the 1885things to then create one ice
cube.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Oh, wow.
See, I only watched the firstone.
I never watched it.
You're missing out.
I didn't even know there was atwo and three.
SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
Yeah.
Goodness.
I know.
Um uh I'm totally blanking onwhat's the actor's name?
Who plays Marty?
Um Michael J.
Fox.
Yes, Michael J.
Foxx just released a book.
Really?
Uh that's about his umexperience on Back to the Future
movies and the TV show, FamilyTies, that he was on just
recently.
I have seen in the I have notread it or he seems like a good
(03:43):
dude.
100%.
All right.
So now moving back to ourpresent, we are currently Queen
of Transitions.
SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
Let's go, Dina.
SPEAKER_03 (03:53):
I dust off my cape.
The giving challenge, we are inweek three of this message
series, and Pastor Zach Zenderis leading us through.
This week we talked about givingeternally, trading ownership for
stewardship.
So, what jumped out at you guysthe most?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this week's message?
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
I mentioned this in message planning today.
I just found that the examplethat or the story that he told
at the top was so like a perfectfit for the whole message.
And just think about how oftenwe're captivated by things of
this world.
And they become s of primaryimportance so often unless we
(04:39):
really keep our eye on what'smost important.
And you know, that mom who iscompletely ignorant of all the
scary things.
Right.
Hawaii, yeah.
But um, and then and then herfamily, who is so captured in
that moment by what washappening to them right now.
And I can be that person reallycaptured by what's happening to
(05:00):
me right now.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
I I think the image, controlling image that I walked
away from Sunday, uh, was thethe hotel thing.
He came back to it a number oftimes.
Um, and then it's one of thebooks, one of the days this week
in the in the Giving Challengebook, where he kind of has this
kind of accompanying fictionalparable where he's staying at a
staying at a hotel and it'slike, oh, there's a Walmart
(05:25):
across the street.
I'm gonna go buy some nicersheets.
And then I'm like, oh, you know,get a Dyson uh Dyson uh fan.
And I'm like, well, you know,our TV in the hotel room is kind
of small.
Like, what if I go buy a 60-inchTV?
Like by the end of it, he'slike, obviously, this is a
parable.
This has not actually happened.
Although I did wonder, I'm like,Zach, did you actually do this?
Like, but just drawing out thepoint of we it it just hit home
(05:48):
probably in a deeper way for me.
Is like, oh wow, a hotel is notmy home.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
No, and it seems so ridiculous to outfit it.
SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
Because it's so temporary.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
And to say, well, what is my home?
And how often am I really like II walk the question I have here
is like, do it, do I have anunhealthy relationship with my
stuff?
And the answer is probably yes.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
We all do.
unknown (06:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Um, I really liked where he talked about when he
was talking about stuff, and hetalked about um in a book he
read, I think it was, or aspeaker, I can't remember, that
said, Oh, well, a certainpercentage of you are Lutheran
and a certain percentage of youare this.
But 100% of Americans arematerialistic.
And I was like, how true isthat?
Yeah.
(06:35):
No matter what our income is, weare materialistic.
All right.
So um the story that he openedwith was about if you haven't
watched the message yet, Iencourage you to go back and
watch it.
Um, but it was about a falsealarm that people in Hawaii
received where they got a textmessage that went out that said
(06:55):
there's a missile coming andthey should get to safety.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Um they went to a hotel lobby.
SPEAKER_03 (07:04):
Maybe it was decked out from the Walmart across the
street.
Yeah.
Um, and this, you know, for whatdo you say, 36 minutes or
something like that, untilanother text message came out
realizing this was a falsealarm, someone had hit a wrong
button, and there was a familythat was having this experience
where the father and childrencould not find the mother,
(07:26):
couldn't get a hold of her inthis, in their thinking the
world is ending or their worldis ending.
And then um, when they finallygot a hold of her, she was
oblivious to the whole thing,had just gotten out of the
shower after being on thetreadmill and having a
conversation about kitchenupgrades, like countertops.
How did you relate to that?
Where do you think you wouldfall in that like story?
(07:48):
Would you be in the panicking?
Would you be oblivious andtalking about countertops?
Like, or how did that story hityou?
SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
Yeah.
Um, well, part of it justdepends on your station, right?
Like if you're the the reasonshe was having these kind of
flippant conversations is thatshe didn't see the text, right?
Right.
Um, and I think kind of maybeone of the purposes of why Zach
brought it up is to kind of saythat, hey, there's no excuse.
I'm ringing the bell right now.
The the life that you live nowis but a blip on the radar of
(08:20):
eternity.
And you've probably seen, andit's probably been talked about
a number of times, but thatfamous Francis Chan illustration
of a crazy long rope, right?
That's what 60, 70, 80, 90 feetlong.
And then he has like a two-inchtape wrap at the end of the
rope.
And he said, That two inches oftape are the 70, 80, maybe 90
(08:45):
years you have in this life.
And the rest of this rope iseternity.
And there's just something aboutour sinful flesh that just kind
of puts blinders on to eternalsignificance.
And in a way, Zach was even thiswas not a false alarm, it's a
real thing.
It's like eternity is coming.
(09:06):
Where are your values on thisside of heaven?
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Yeah.
Agreed.
And I think that it shows up ina number of ways.
It's not even just how we viewpossessions, but just thinking
about where we invest our timein our most important
relationships and what are thethings that we're talking about?
What's our vision for thefuture?
Eternity is long.
So as I'm raising my children,what are the things that I'm
(09:28):
talking to them about as thingsof primary importance?
Um, how am I loving my neighborwell?
Right.
So it's just storing uptreasures in heaven versus
treasures on earth.
It's so important to keep thatvision in front of us at all
times, but it's easy for it tobe bumped off.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:46):
Were you guys surprised?
I was so surprised.
He shared that statistic ofAmericans who believe in Jesus.
Yeah.
And it was like 60 some percentbelieve in Jesus, and 33% of
Americans believe in anafterlife.
And I'm like, oh, they they theythey really we we really do need
(10:08):
an alarm.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Yes.
Yeah, that was sobering.
unknown (10:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:12):
Uh when he was telling that story, I was just
thinking of that 36 minutes andwhat my brain would be like
during that 36 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Take us into it, Dina.
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
You you both panic.
I'm really good in a crisis, butI'm not so sure I would be good
in that crisis.
I you both are parents.
You you ever lost your child,yes, you know, in a public place
for what seems like 10 hours.
Yes.
And it's really a minute.
Yeah.
You know, I just my son was fiveyears old the first time we took
(10:43):
him on a plane to Hong Kong.
And Hong Kong is a city of 10million people.
And he got behind someone whereI couldn't see him at a subway
stop once.
And just the panic in thatmoment, because how would I ever
find him if I lost him in acountry across the world, you
know?
And that's what I just keptthinking of in that 36 minutes.
(11:05):
I mean, my thoughts would onlybe about being with my family
and making sure my family wassafe.
Yes.
Because that's the mostinvaluable valuable thing to me.
And so then how do I put that inperspective of am I making sure
that my friends and my lovedones are safe for eternity?
Yeah.
You know, like, okay, maybethere's some people I need to
(11:26):
talk to.
Maybe there's some someconversations I need to have.
Maybe there's some more invitesto church I need to issue out,
or know things.
And I just that, you know, whereyou can't breathe, your heart
stops.
That's what I think.
Okay.
Does God feel like that?
You know what I mean?
Like about us because he caresso much for us.
I just that's I just couldn'tget out of that feeling.
SPEAKER_00 (11:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Yeah.
So um another statistic thatZach shared is that storage
facilities are primarily in theUnited States.
The US has 90% of the world'sstorage facilities.
And so I have a biblicalquestion and a fun question for
you.
First, the fun question.
(12:09):
What's your guilty pleasure thatyou store or that you think you
you can't get rid of?
Maybe you don't need a storagefacility for it.
It's not a huge clip, but what'syour thing that you're like, I
just don't want to get rid ofthis, but I probably don't need
to hang on to this stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
So we don't we don't have currently have a need for a
storage facility because I feellike every month I pay my
mortgage, I'm paying for astorage facility in my basement
that just has empty room uponempty room upon empty room.
If you guys want to swing byFremont, I'll give you a tour.
It's not very exciting.
Um and so I but I mean we didjust do a cross-country move and
(12:50):
like it kind of you get face toface with the stuff.
And I'm like, some of this stufflike I don't want to get rid of
because it is family heirloomsor you know, memories.
Like at my my kids when theygrow up and when they have kids,
like they're gonna want to havethis stuff.
They would, but other things,I'm like, oh my gosh.
(13:12):
How many, how many boxes of giftused gift bags do we need to
bring with us to Nebraska?
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
I have a I have a tiny problem with decorative
plates.
Oh.
So I have a lot of them in myhutch, and I also have some of
them on my walls.
And my husband, who is verygenerous about letting me just
do whatever decorating we wantin our house, we have a big
(13:41):
archway in our my kitchen, andI'm like, I'm putting plates
over the whole thing.
And he was like, No.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
This is the one he was drawing the line.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
It's like we have enough of them everywhere, so
let's just stop.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
My mom used to have a decorative plate, but she
would get them when they travel.
And so they were memories toher, and they used to line a
hallway in our basement.
Yeah.
My dad was so excited to get ridof that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
I think Dale would be in his camp.
Can I ask a men a question onbehalf of all the men right now?
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
So when you say decorative plate, you're
referring to a plate that I willnever eat off of.
Okay.
I just wanted to be sure.
Play only.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Yeah.
I mean, I could eat.
I mean, you know what?
There are some in my hutch thatwe eat off of, like on
Thanksgiving and stuff.
But like mostly it's just tolook pretty in a in a hutch, and
then they're hanging.
The ones on the wall, no one'seating off of.
Of course.
SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Because once you take it off the wall, now you
have people on the wall.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
So if you're at a dinner party, your kitchen now
is out of like out of function.
Well, not no, it's no, it'sfunction is not the purpose
here.
This is clearly not a functionalargument.
Just decorative.
Decorative.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just yeah.
Don't try to understand.
It's just a thing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:59):
Dale, I I hear you.
I hear you right now, Dale.
SPEAKER_03 (15:05):
I have a problem with my children's keepsakes
that I think they don't thinkare keepsakes.
unknown (15:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
For example.
Have they told you so?
SPEAKER_03 (15:12):
Um, no, because I don't really give them access to
them.
I just keep them for a day whenso my oldest daughter is
married.
And after she was married andthey got a house, I packed up
all of her stuff lovingly,carefully, organized it by
boxes, elementary school, middleschool, high school, turned it
(15:33):
all over to her.
I have no idea if she still hasit or not.
I think maybe she does.
My middle daughter does not havethe room for me to gift her
things.
I think she would just get ridof them because she could care
less.
My son has no interest even inanything.
But for example, when I waspacking up my daughter's stuff,
my daughters did swim team inthe summer, like just a fun swim
(15:55):
team, like not highlycompetitive when they were in
elementary school.
And they would get a ribbon forevery event they would compete
in.
And they would compete in fourdifferent events every week, all
summer.
So we would end the summer with50 or 60 ribbons.
I kept them all wrapped up withtheir time cards.
Oh my.
(16:16):
Never in a million years willany of us need to look at this
and remember when you were eightyears old, you swam the 25 meter
butterfly in however manyseconds.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
It is recreational summer swimming.
SPEAKER_03 (16:29):
I go.
But I was like at a point duringwhen I was packing the stuff up
where I can't get rid of this.
This is a memory.
You know, if they get rid of it,that's on them.
I feel like I feel someobligation to keep it until they
are in the space to properlyidentify whether they want to
keep it.
And that age is not 18 or 25.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
I was gonna say, what is the age, DNA?
SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
I think like a marriage is like 45.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
After she's gone.
SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
They can go through it when I'm dead.
SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
You're like mom.
SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
I don't know.
I have so many keepsakes that Ilove from my childhood.
I do not have swimming ribbonsor something as insignificant as
that.
But my ex-husband, when we gotmarried, had very little.
Like his family had been in themilitary, moved a lot, had been
through some just family dynamicchanges, and he had nothing from
his childhood.
(17:27):
And I always thought, oh, howhorrible.
He didn't really have a problemwith it.
I did.
Right.
So I was sure not gonna let ourchildren live this devastating
life.
Yeah.
But that's my guilty pleasure.
Okay.
So then shifting gears to whenZach was talking about these
storage facilities, he talkedabout Luke 12, 13 to 21, which
(17:51):
is the parable of the man whohas plenty or whatever you want
to call it.
Where basically, I don't know,do you do you want to summarize
it, Tyler?
You want me to?
No, go forward.
Oh, yeah.
So basically, this guy has gottoo much stuff and decides to
store all of his stuff.
He needs to tear down all hisbarns and build bigger barns.
And the Lord pretty much says,You fool, uh, you're gonna die
(18:13):
tonight.
What good is all this stuff?
Like share it.
Um, and so how does that parablehit you when we're talking about
our guilty storage pleasures orthe things that we keep keep?
What does that make you thinkof?
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
So um it's a it's a Zach emphasized this in the
message where he he said, Jesusdoesn't even say it's wrong.
He says it's a foolish thing todo.
It's a it's a it's a dumb, heeven used the word stupid.
Can I say that on this podcast,Dina?
Yes, you can.
Thank you, thank you, Julie.
SPEAKER_03 (18:48):
Julie's my boss.
So if she says so.
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
So this is what I noticed yesterday.
I was rereading this.
Um, obviously, for those whodon't know, context in scripture
matters a ton, that what comesbefore something, what comes
after something helpscontextualize.
And so after this parable,here's what Jesus says.
Jesus said to his disciples,Therefore I tell you, do not be
anxious about your life, whatyou will eat, or about your
(19:13):
body, what you will put be put,or what you will put on.
For life is more than food, bodymore than clothing.
And then listen to this verse.
Consider the ravens, theyneither sow nor reap, they have
neither storehouse nor barn.
It's like, oh, Jesus, it's likeyou knew what you were doing.
And to be clear, this is not umGod saying, don't have savings
(19:35):
accounts, don't prepare for thefuture.
Like we need to be wise and uhtake care of our families and
that sort of thing.
But I think we all kind of knowso much of this series is about
the heart, right?
And where your treasure is,there your heart will be also.
And we we kind of know wherethat line is, where it's it just
(19:57):
kind of becomes about more andmore and more.
And newsflash, enough neverhappens.
So where when we have thiseternal perspective, like, oh
yeah, we actually can't take anyof this with us.
So we need to bring some valuesof heaven into our earthly realm
to more reflect the generosityof God.
SPEAKER_03 (20:19):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (20:20):
I also think about just um the orphan mentality
that a lot of us still carryaround with us, the idea that we
don't have a loving father whois going to be providing for
everything that we need.
And so therefore, I need to umtake care of myself, protect
myself, comfort myself with mystuff.
(20:40):
And Jesus is saying, look, youhave a loving father who is
gonna take care of all of this.
So instead of having this whiteknuckle grip on everything
that's gonna keep you safe andprotected and happy and
comforted and good, let it go.
Uh, release the grip.
You have a father who cares foryou very much and who's going to
be providing your needs andbeyond.
SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
Let it go, my three-year-old granddaughter.
Yes.
She's obsessed with frozen andhears that song all the time.
There it is.
Just be like Elsa.
Let it go.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Let it go.
SPEAKER_03 (21:15):
Um, so one of the other things that Zach really
talked about was um from FirstTimothy 6, 10.
And that verse is often likemislooked at.
What the verse actually says isfor the love of money is a root
of all kinds of evil.
What people often misquote it isthat money is the root of all
evil.
(21:35):
But it clearly says for the loveof money.
And then Zach kind of took thatverse and he flipped it and he
said, What if the reverse weretrue?
For the love of generosity is aroot of all kinds of good.
How did that guy strike youguys?
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
I I think it's a I think it's a really cool,
honest, rhetorical uh flip.
Um, I never thought about thatbefore, uh, because we we always
hear it in the negative.
And he and he was responsiblewith it.
He said, What if this is you?
Um and you know, throughout thiswhole series, it's uh we're
we're saying, hey, God's been sogenerous with us.
(22:14):
Um, how can we develop habits ofgenerosity that become that kind
of that kind of fight againstthat internal sinful nature that
wants to, like Julie just said,kind of kind of grip and
control.
And um uh okay, my mind justslipped.
What what was our questionagain?
SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
We were the verse.
When you flipped it.
Yeah, how does that hit you?
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
So then yeah, so then my mind went to our our our
kind of focus uh coming out ofeach of the messages of the
campuses is was putting aspotlight on our partnership in
Guatemala.
And I shared at the Fremontcampus, uh, you know, every time
our family goes to eat out atChipotle, it's usually more than
$45 because our kids are eatingnot like five-year-olds anymore.
(23:00):
And$45 a month not only feedsone of these children in in
Guatemala, but does housing anduh education and puts them in
Christian discipleship and kindof builds up this community.
Um, and so think about for whatthe generous act of$45 a month,
(23:22):
which for many of us it it'sactually does it's not actually
very much percentage-wisecompared to income.
Um, but then all the good thatcan come out of that in this
community.
And I was I was telling some ofthe people at our Pizza with
Purpose event afterwards, um,there's a reason that we're
doing this as a 10-yearpartnership with actually an
(23:42):
exit strategy, not because weonly want to come in and go out,
but actually we we want to setthem up to to to not rely on on
other because we want them to beself-supporting and um kind of
kind of do do their thing.
We don't want to help, we don'twant to uh in the process of
helping actually hurt what Godwants to do in this community.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah.
It's a runway.
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that too.
I I thought that that was such apoignant phrase and just
remembering that um the thingsthat God asks us to do are not
for our punishment or to make usmiserable.
It's for our flourishing and forour good.
And so when God asks us to begenerous, he knows it's the best
(24:25):
thing for our hearts, and we'llbe deriving a lot of joy and
peace from that.
And so um I do think it's truethat generosity is just gonna be
get a lot of wonderful things inour lives.
Not that it's always gonna beeasy, but I think I think it's
just a guarantee that that yourspirit will flourish when you're
walking in the commands ofJesus.
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
I really got stuck on the first part of it for the
love of generosity, because Ithought, do I love generosity?
Like, do I like feeling goodabout myself if I donate to
something or serve a worthycause or something?
I do.
I do like the feeling, thedopamine, the happiness, quote
unquote, that I get from that.
But do I love generosity?
And I started thinking about thestory with the missile, the fake
(25:11):
missile, and how I'd want to bewith the people that I love,
that I really do treasure.
Do I treat generosity like that?
And I got stuck on that.
And I gotta tell you, my brainhas not fully wrapped around it
of okay, how do I put generosityin a position in my life where I
am loving it, where I amhonoring it, where that's a very
valuable, important thing.
(25:32):
Because I don't really thinkthat's where it is right now in
my life.
And so how can I work towardsthat?
Yeah.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
So I I really with the whole theme is um trading
ownership for stewardship andthis giving eternally theme.
Um, at the end, and maybe thisis where the next part was going
anyway, Dina.
Um, but in the end, you know,Zach's saying, well, us what a
steward does is reflecting theheart of the owner.
And so he gave those threethings.
(25:59):
So what does God's heart beatfor when it comes to being
generous, right?
It's for the the the poor.
That's all throughout scripture,caring for the poor.
It is um uh saving the lost,God's heart's for the lost,
those who don't yet know Jesus,and then strengthening believers
of the church.
Um, the the more that I thinkthat our generosity can reflect
(26:20):
God's heart, I think that'swhere the greatest good can come
out of it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:24):
Yeah.
So that steward versus owner, ifyou are following the Giving
Challenge book, um, there islike a questionnaire that you
can fill out, a steward versusowner mindset.
Um, if not, you can find it onour website.
If you go to watch the latestmessage, and then there's a
discussion guide that you canview that has that questionnaire
(26:45):
on there.
I think that's a reallyimportant part to look at the
difference between stewardversus owner.
So the other thing Zach talkedabout was three wins, three wins
you get when you're generouseternally.
And one is just happiness.
He talked about the dopamine inyour brain, you know, is equal
when you're generous as todoubling your income.
And that is phenomenal to me.
Like, but um, and then numbertwo, he talked about eternal
(27:10):
rewards, obviously our time inheaven.
And then number three, pointingothers to Jesus, that that is
the third win that comes from usbeing generous.
How did that touch you guys?
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
You know, I I I thought a little bit about um
the work that we've been doingum with these public schools and
how our generosity in thoseplaces have brought people to
our church because they're it'sjust in a world that can feel so
ungenerous and so jaded, seeingacts of generosity is so
(27:45):
refreshing and points tosomething beautiful.
And I think people areinterested in finding what the
source of that beauty is.
So I I I think generosity issuch a jewel in today's world.
And we would it's to our benefitand to the kingdom's benefit to
(28:07):
exercise that as often as wecan.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
Can you give those three one more time?
SPEAKER_03 (28:11):
So one is happiness, two, eternal rewards, and three
is pointing others to Jesus.
The three wins.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah.
So a little peek behind thecurtain, Dina, you came out to
Fremont last week, met withChristy and me and a kind of
community representative.
We're we're talking about kindof the possibilities of a night
to shine in Fremont.
For those who don't know, Nightto Shine is put on by the Tim
Tebow Foundation.
Actually, Dina, you do thespiel.
You oversee the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03 (28:37):
Night to Shine is a prom night experience for um
youth ages 14 to 18 with specialneeds that happens on the same
day and time everywhere acrossthe world.
There's like a 700 locationsthat that experience this event.
Um, and it has a gospel focustalking about where all teens,
(28:57):
even those who have specialneeds, are true daughters and
sons of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
Absolutely.
That's wonderful.
It's like you've made that pitchbefore a few times.
I know.
Um But what reminded me of thatis um you you said in that
meeting, if if churches go intoputting on night to shine,
expecting like you invest thisamount of money and time, you're
going to get ROI in, you know,and if you go in with that sort
(29:27):
of expectation, you'll be verydisappointed.
Because night to shine is notthe kind of event that is gonna
bring a bunch of people to yourchurch, maybe.
But what it does is it creates aculture of being generous to
people that are oftenoverlooked.
And then what that's what PastorGreg has done at King Kings for
all these years is what does itlook like for us to develop a
reputation beyond our walls andthat's a generous place?
(29:51):
And that's a place I want to bea part of.
Um, and so yes, night to shineis like the ultimate happiness
night.
How can you not walk away, justjust smile?
From ear to ear, um, but to seeall of the good that comes out
of it that is not even like yourown immediate benefit.
Because if we're if we're onlyapproaching generosity as
(30:12):
transactional, meaning I'm gonnado this for what I'm gonna get
on the other side, we're kind ofmissing that.
And I think Zach says thisanother point.
He says, Giving is the ultimatetest of love.
And so if we're loving the worldas God does, we're going to be
generous in our giving.
SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
Zach talked about how proud he was to be a pastor
of King of Kings, that it getstalked about, oh, that's that
generous church.
And you mentioning the schoolpartnerships just makes me think
of, I mean, I've had countlessinteractions.
I one of our touch points isDisney Elementary for our
Millard campus.
And as the associate directorhere, I go see them, you know,
in one form or another everymonth.
(30:51):
And um, what we do most often istake a snack cart around.
We fill it with chips and cheesesticks and sodas and fruit bars
and just roll around to theclassrooms and knock on the door
and give every staff member achoice of a snack.
And I'm shocked at how thankfulthey are.
It's a cheese stick and a Dr.
Pepper.
And you would think that I gavethem a firstborn.
(31:13):
Like they're just so grateful.
But one day when we were goingaround and there was a new
teacher, a new staff member.
And she kind of looked at theother staff member in a room,
like, what's this?
Do we have to pay for this?
You know?
And the teacher who had beenthere for a while said, Oh no,
these are our friends from Kingof Kings.
They just come here and love onus.
(31:34):
And I was like, that statementright there, that's what I want
to publicize.
We just want to show up and loveon you.
We don't care where you're from.
We don't, you know, we careabout your eternity, but right
now I'm not here to preach toyou.
I'm not here to pray for you.
I'm here just to love you.
And the rest of it hopefullycomes down the line as a part of
(31:55):
starting that relationship.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Okay, so as we wrap up, what are your final
takeaways from this week?
SPEAKER_01 (32:06):
So as I was uh reading the devotions for this
week, so today we're recordingon Tuesday.
So we've had, I think, two daysin the Giving Eternity week.
Um, there was an emphasis on oneof the days about how on the on
the own owner steward question,how we we don't belong to
ourselves, right?
Paul says this in 1 Corinthians6.
(32:27):
He says, You were bought at aprice.
You are not your own.
We belong to God.
And my my heart and mind justwent back to this beautiful
song.
If you guys have not listened toit, I encourage you to just pull
it up after this podcast.
It's called I Am Not My Own byKeith and Kristen Getty.
Um, and we we we did it um inthe spring before in Connecticut
(32:50):
before moving out here.
And from this three threedifferent perspectives of um
imagine like a littlesix-year-old girl saying,
singing to God, I am not my own,and then a teenager girl saying,
I am not my own, and then anadult woman singing, I am not,
but in in and the different lifestages, but then that same
chorus, I belong to the Lord, Iam not my own.
(33:13):
I'm like, man, I more and more Iwant to be living out as that
faithful steward that I don'tbelong to myself.
I'm I'm I'm no owner, I belongto Jesus.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Yeah.
It's good.
Kind of thinking aboutstewardship too, and this wasn't
something that my parents saidto me explicitly.
And I think even if they did, itwouldn't have been in a weird,
damaging way.
But just when I just was awareof the fact when I was,
especially when I was maybe ateenager, like I I was like a
(33:47):
representative for my family outin the world.
And I I loved my parents anddidn't want to do something that
would bring shame to our familyname.
And in the same way, I want tobe a good representative of the
family of Jesus and to God myfather.
(34:11):
And I want to be the bestrepresentative of that family
that I can be.
And so stewardship is that justwanting to lift higher our
father and our our family name.
SPEAKER_03 (34:27):
That's beautiful.
I like that.
The quote that really stuck outto me was one that Zach said
from Martin Luther that justsaid, God does not need your
good works, but your neighbordoes.
And I was just like, Okay, allright, God.
Yeah, I'll work on that.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here.
We will jump into week four ofthe Giving Challenge uh this
(34:49):
next week, where we're gonnaintroduce kind of an exciting
thing where guests canparticipate.
I'm excited at the campuses.
So pay attention during theservice.
Come to service if you don'tnormally come and hear more.
Until then, let's keep livingour faith beyond Sunday.
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