June 4, 2025 • 36 mins
In this Beyond Sunday episode, Dina, Peter, and Kevin kick off the discussion of the Honor Code series by talking about what it means to honor God and others in a culture that often does the opposite. From standing for truth like the prophet Micaiah to showing respect in everyday choices, the conversation challenges us to listen to God before the crowd and live with integrity—even when it’s unpopular.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we look at oursermon series that we're going
through and dive a little bitdeeper into figuring out what
we're taking beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and Ihave some wonderful guests today
.
It's like Northwest isrepresented.
Our Northwest campus isrepresented today.
Go ahead, introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Peter Bay campus.
Director of Kim King'sNorthwest.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Kevin McClure, worship and production director
of the same campus.
You said it so fast.
I feel like I had to go slow inorder to balance it out.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, just wanted to get in there.
Is that the right way?
I think you guys balance eachother out.
In many ways You're oppositeslike that.
What else?
What do you mean by that?
Dina, Tell us more.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Let's make this podcast about us.
When Peter's here it always is.
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Man, there's a place here at King King's called the
Core, and are you making asuggestion that I stop by, or
what Well?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I would never suggest that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You make use of that as you see fit.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's fair, and I do .
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Determine your own needs.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And I do.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
All right, so I don't know if you guys know this, but
today is National Egg Day.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I did not know that you have a big party planned
later at home.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It is National Egg Day.
I did not know that you have abig party planned later at home.
It is National Egg Day, so myquestion for you is what is your
favorite way to eat eggs?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
My favorite way to eat an egg.
This is going to be complex.
Obviously, eat an egg.
This is going to be complex.
Obviously I like to.
This part's not complex, butI'll cook it over easy.
But then I'll also make sometoast and bacon.
Throw a little toast bacon overeasy egg, on top a little bit
(02:00):
of syrup, and cut it with a forkand knife and mow it down.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's called an eagle's nest, and let the yolk
like slide all over.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, okay, okay, the syrup was a surprise for me.
Yeah, but you can't have toomuch.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's not like pancake that you can just have an
unlimited amount of syrup.
You call that an eagle's nest.
I don't know if that's whatit's officially called, but
that's what I've called it for10 years.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Maybe you need to trademark that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe I should I don't know Open up my own
restaurant.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, my favorite way would probably be in like
cookie dough or just somethinglike that Cookies or just baking
with it.
I'm not a big egg fan.
Really.
No, and it troubles my tummyEggs do baking with it.
I'm not a big egg fan, really.
No, it troubles my tummy Eggsdo.
And cookies might as well, butthey taste good enough to risk
(02:53):
it.
So cookies would be number one.
Number two would be Gastonstyle, where you just eat them
raw.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Do you ever do that?
I haven't Like for real?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I have not, but I would be willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I would try that.
I don't think I've ever done itbefore either.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, next time you're here, I'm bringing some
raw eggs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
On this date next year.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
National Egg Day.
Are we going to film it thattime?
Then, yeah, we'll have to.
Alright, on socials, peoplewill want to see that we could
charge.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We could charge.
Maybe this is a VBS challengein the making.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh, for sure that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, my favorite way to eat eggs is deviled eggs.
I'm a sucker for deviled eggs.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh yeah, my wife loves deviled eggs, but I don't
like store-bought deviled eggs.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The filling's just not the right consistency.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
What do you put in that filling?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I'm a Miracle Whip fan.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I like some.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Miracle Whip mixed in Little mustard, little Miracle
Whip, and then season all on top, Maybe a little paprika.
But that's my deviled eggs.
Making deviled eggs afterEaster, like when you've cracked
all the Easter eggs that mykids love to hide and then they
get all cracked up and then wewash them and make them into
deviled eggs, where they're likegnarly colored and everything
(04:10):
that, to me, is like I don'tknow.
There's something about justthe memories.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You hide actual eggs in your house.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Sometimes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You're wild.
You only hide the plastic ones.
We can't find our TV remote.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, you lose one egg for long enough.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's not going to go well, you'll find it
eventually.
You'll be able to sniff it out,it's okay.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I feel like Miracle Whip is deception.
You think it's mayonnaise andyou eat it, and it's tangy and
gross.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I grew up on Miracle Whip, though, so that's my fave.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I don't know, kevin, are you Miracle Whip or
Mayonnaise?
I don't like Miracle.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Whip.
Nor do I like deviled eggs, butmy wife would have an opinion
on this, so someday she can comeshare that opinion on deviled
eggs day.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Did you know any people who used to call them
like sanctified eggs orsomething?
No, can't give the devil creditfor a delicious food.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Resurrected eggs.
Resurrected eggs.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
All right, I'm not really sure how to transition
from eggs to honor but we'regoing to go for it.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's a great title for this podcast From eggs to
honor Part one.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So this week we started a new sermon series, and
this is called Honor Code, andPastor Zach Zender led us with
this first week honoring Godabove the crowd.
So what was your initialtakeaway?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this message today?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, for me to get some like measured ways to talk
about honor was great.
Um the uh reputation.
What was his reputation?
And?
respect respect, yeah, so that Ithink those were great ways.
This is how we're going to getafter it this week.
Um, and the other thing thatreally stood out to me was, uh,
(05:59):
the the Micaiah Bible event thathe used to tell it, one because
I knew very little aboutMicaiah, like it was.
Like, have I even heard thatname?
Was my first thought.
And then learning about Micaiahand how he stood up and honored
God above everything, eventhough it risks his reputation
(06:19):
that I, those things reallystood out to me for this week.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah yeah, the story of Micaiah.
I love that story.
Whenever I've read through itit sticks with me for several
days and then I like Zach wasjoking about it.
I'm like would I ever name mykid Micaiah for that moment.
But then I think MicaiahMcClure and I'm like that's
either too good or not good.
Like I can't decide if it's yeah, right, uh, so that that's like
(06:44):
a, a, a cool, cool name.
I love what he did and thething that like jumped at me
this during this sermon was whenhe was reading through um,
micaiah's vision that he had, uh, to King Ahab, and the part
that he started reading, Irecognized it as very similar to
(07:05):
Isaiah 6, 8.
It says and the Lord wassitting on his throne, his train
, the rope, the train of hisrobe, filled the temple, and.
And then it changes.
And it's a different kind ofexperience than what Isaiah has
in Isaiah 6, 8.
And so that just jumped at me oflike, oh, this very unique, or
this not so very unique settingwith multiple prophets, and in
(07:25):
this case, um, it was the momentthat God was saying, uh, who
will we send not to go for usbut to go and deceive King Ahab,
and I thought that was sointeresting of like this moment
that God is actually planningAhab's own destruction, um, but
it's this same setting that wesee God and Isaiah go to want to
(07:47):
go and rescue his people.
He's also wanting to rescue hispeople from a wicked king in
this way.
So it just jumped at me thistime that I'd never noticed
before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, that's cool.
I really felt convicted by thequestions that Zach started out
with.
Like the hundred100 bill Not somuch that one I think I'd
probably chase after the guyeven if he was walking to his
yacht and giving back his $100bill but like the Netflix
password or some of those thingsthat just really got me
thinking about.
(08:16):
What ways am I not honoring?
I guess I think of honor assomething bigger and not in
those smaller things, you know,the daily things that we do, um,
and how am I teaching my kidsor my grandkids or those around
me that I am honoring of things?
And if I'm right now, netflixgot smart and we're not sharing
(08:37):
a password.
We pay for separate accounts.
I don't know if you guys havethis issue, but it was.
I have adult children and youcan add on to your Netflix
account.
You know that was a wholeprocess that we went through,
but never did I think of that asbeing honoring of the business
but, it is, and so it just gotme thinking how are the little
(08:58):
things in life, how are thelittle ways that we show honor
reflect who we are in our lives?
So Zach defined honor aspursuing a good reputation and
showing proper respect forothers, and then he asked a
(09:19):
question that he kind of felt ismaybe something in doubt right
now.
Are we taught to tear eachother down instead of honoring
each other?
What are your feelings aboutthat?
Like, do you feel in culturetoday we're more taught to get
in that competitive nature, getabove people, like, where it's
almost tearing each other downinstead of honoring each other.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I think it's actually what makes certain
people so attractive is thatthey look to honor people and
they look to make a name forothers versus themselves, and my
hope is that that's whatChristians would be known for,
notably, making the name ofJesus known and honored.
Known and honored Um, but it's.
(10:08):
It's so common in our cultureto hear the phrase uh, this guy
just steps all over people youknow, or he uses people to get
to the next level himself orherself and um, it's really a
shame to hear that.
And I, yeah, I, I during Zach'smessage, one of the things that
jumped at me is something thatwe talk about with my kids a lot
Um message.
One of the things that jumped atme is something that we talk
about with my kids a lot,something that we say a lot in
our house is we want to raiseyou, my children, to be people
(10:33):
of high character, and I thinkbeing an honoring person is part
of that.
And being a person of highcharacter my kids would probably
be able to recite this really,really well at this point,
because I say it all the time ischoose to the right thing, no
matter what, and when you do dothe wrong thing you choose to
make it right.
And being a person who honorsothers is not always easy,
(10:54):
because sometimes it feels likebut I want to get mine too, you
know, but but what you're sayingis, well, you want to give them
what they're due first, and,yeah, that's fairly
countercultural.
I think a lot of people wouldagree that that's a good thing,
but I think that we see aculture right now where there's
(11:15):
you know, however you feel,about billionaires and all that
conversation happening, likethere's a lot of people that the
perception is they got there byundercutting others and
stepping on people, and sopeople are wondering well, maybe
I need to start doing that now,and the call of the Christian,
I think, is to push back againstthat and say, no, we're going
to stay steadfast in honoringthe people that deserve it most,
(11:38):
notably God himself.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, zach mentioned that we are going to get to a
future message on authority andthat should be really great
because I think culturally thatis a oh my goodness.
Culture stomps all overhonoring authority, whether it's
each other or in an upwardsrelationship, so like if you
(12:03):
don't like what, um, yourpolitical leader is doing, or
you don't like what your schoolteachers or principals doing, I
people I see much more oftenthey'll talk about rather than
talk to.
Now it's hard to get anaudience with your political
leader, um, but we have anaudience with the creator of the
(12:24):
universe.
Like we can be praying to Godfirst for our political leaders,
praying to God first for ourprinciples, and when we do that
it changes our heart towardsthose people and I bet we'll
trash them less often behindtheir back If the first step is
going to God to say I want themto succeed, god be with them,
(12:45):
bless their family, bless theirposition.
You know we also see it frompeople in standing political
leaders bashing other politicalleaders.
I love sports.
When I watch sports, I see someof the flashiest players
(13:17):
putting down other players andcelebrating their victories more
than honoring the other teamAlthough there are honorable
people for sure, that more oftenthan not in our culture, honor
is not seen as something to bedoing, and I do think that it
has unfortunately mixed its wayinto Christianity, and
(13:41):
Christians slamming politicalleaders, christians slamming
their school, the teachers andprincipals, whoever those people
in authority are.
And the bottom line is when wedo that, we're dishonoring God,
(14:02):
and I think of Joseph withPotiphar, and he says I will not
dishonor God and my master, andthere's really something for me
to take away from that whereit's like me saying something or
doing something poor againstthe people that have authority
(14:25):
over me, first and foremost isdishonoring God.
Um, but my reputation is firstwith God, and if my reputation
is first there, well then I'llprobably dishonor the people
around me less, as I mean.
So, either way you cut it, uh,I think we ought to honor more
and, uh, in our culture does not?
(14:47):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That question really made me think of my son, um, who
is 18 now, but when he was, Idon't know, probably just
becoming a teenager.
Um, my basement has been theplace where he and his friends
hang out.
So, on a routine basis there'sa group of young men in my
basement and they went through astage when they were starting
(15:09):
middle school where it was allfun and games to roast each
other or to raz each other or tocut each other down and they
did it in the intent of like,embracing each other.
You know what I mean.
Like, I know that's how itstarted, but it was very
culturally acceptable and itwould irk me to no end to be
(15:31):
upstairs and hear them becauseboys are a lot louder than you
think but just cutting eachother down and everybody
laughing about it, because Iknew there were a couple of the
things that, like my son, wouldget roasted on, that he was
sensitive about.
Now, did he take it to heart ordid he take it in jest, as it
was intended?
I don't know.
So this was happening on aroutine basis.
(15:51):
He take it to heart or did hetake it in jest, as it was
intended?
I don't know, but there, solike this was happening on a
routine basis and one time I sathim down and engaged him in a
conversation and I was like Ijust I don't love this.
You know, we're supposed tospeak positively about each
other and these are otherchildren of God and we want to
be, you know, kind to them.
And he's like mom, it's no bigdeal, you know, it's just this
or that.
You know, we're all just jokingaround and I was like, well,
(16:12):
when this person you know, Iheard this person say this about
you and I know you strugglewith that Is it really just
joking around?
And I think it really stoppedhim in his tracks, like he had
learned to let it roll off hisback, but on certain things it
did stick with him or it wassomething he was insecure about
and I said to me this is a veryfine line with bullying each
(16:33):
other.
You know what I mean.
We don't know what somebody'scarrying out of that room, even
if you say it with the intent of, hey, you're my friend, I can
tease you about this.
And I just kept thinking whenZach was talking about this on
Sunday, like talking abouttearing each other down I just
kept thinking back to that andthinking how, here was my
preteen son learning thatsomething that was very
(16:54):
acceptable among his group offriends maybe wasn't so
acceptable if you really thoughtmore about it.
And I was like, how do we dothat?
You know there's no more watercoolers, like, but standing
around the water cooler at work,or you know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Once again, as people who want to follow Jesus, we
ought to be aware of what theneeds of people around us are,
so that we can match up withthat.
Have you ever been in asituation where you're just
talking with any given personand then you say something that
you didn't mean to soundsarcastic, but it did because of
(28:50):
the tone, but it did because ofthe tone?
Like I've been in that positionso many times and then I've had
to be like like you look atthat person and they're so
confused because, like, are you,wait, are you serious?
Are you not serious?
Like no, I was, I just I don'tknow why it came out that way.
And so there's just this umintentionality with every single
(29:11):
word that if we're not careful,we, um, we, we can put off the
wrong thing.
And so I just think it's reallycritical for us to be mindful.
Not that we ought to be theninauthentic and never make jokes
and be, you know, these wooden,stoic people that you know,
don't know, don't know how tohave a good time, but like just
(29:32):
to read the room a little bitand be aware of what other
people might need, cause itmight be different than how we
would normally present something.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, that's good, yeah, and if you didn't get a
chance to watch the message, I'mseeing the face that Zach's
making when he's doing thenonverbal and impersonation of
Micaiah is hilarious.
Yeah, he looks like a crazyperson.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So, it was really good, so check that out.
I also like his.
You know, when he's talkingabout body language he's doing
almost like a little dance.
That's something to check out,Good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have always read that portion of the story when
Micaiah says, yes, go to war andyou'll win, like he's being
super sarcastic, like obviouslysarcastic.
I don't know why I read it likethat every single time, and so
it was funny.
When he didn't read it likethat, I was like what are you
doing here?
This is the wrong character.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know Just like shaking his head no
while saying it, yeah, yeah, Ikind of wanted to do multiple
passes like one really shortpass.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, give me multiple different takes,
because it seems like he couldhave gone any direction with it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So I hope and God, I know you're listening up there
Out there.
I know it's not up, guys,goodness gracious.
It's not up, guys, goodnessgracious.
So when I get to heaven, um,because of what Jesus has done,
and I'm up there and celebratinglike part of what I, I'd love
to see scenes not just from theBible but from of, like, all of
(31:07):
humanity that I don't get to seeon earth.
You know, like I can go throughthe Rolodex, but I could scroll
back to Micaiah and that scenewith Ahab and like actually see
what it looked like, wouldn'tthat be amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I always wanted.
This is totally off topic, butI've always hoped to get like.
You know how the end of theyear, spotify will give you your
stats of like, what song youlisten to the most.
I want I want one of those oflike okay, how many times did I
listen to this song in my entirelife?
Or like, how many times did Ieat pepperoni pizza for a meal?
Like?
I want to see the stats that isso random I don't even like
(31:42):
stats.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I'm so curious, I want to see it now too.
How many ounces of cranberrysauce?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We talk about food.
So much on this.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
So, as we wrap up, what aresome final takeaways that you
have from this message seriesthis particular week?
Honoring God above the crowd.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, honor is a really cool topic that we don't
get into a lot, but it mattersand I'm excited to hear how we
dive further into authority andthe generations and other ways
to see honor in a biblicalperspective.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I am very, um, maybe aware because of this message
now of, um, how my my generaldisposition towards other people
that I'm in meetings withduring the work day or at home
with, or playing music with, orwhatever of like okay, I need to
be a little bit less selfdirected and more aware of, okay
, what are the needs of thepeople around me.
That's been sticking with mefor the last couple of days just
to make sure that I'm the bestversion of what they need in
(33:06):
that moment, and not just thebest version of myself for me,
but the best version of myselffor them and honoring kind of
their needs in the moment.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And that can be hard when you're not feeling it.
Yeah, I did that.
Last night.
I saw a guy who I haven't seenfor years Awesome dude at a
basketball game and I just hadzero energy.
Like as soon as I got home fromthe game I was like I'm going
to bed.
Chris was like did I dosomething wrong?
(33:39):
I'm like no, I'm just done, andI did not give him like the joy
that I normally would in seeingthis guy.
And it's been years and I'velike I regret it.
So, jason, if you're listening,I love you man.
I'm sorry, I wasn't energizedfor you and it was good to see
you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So I really liked Pastor Zach's takeaways, the two
takeaways that he gave, whichwas I will listen to God before
I listen to the crowd and I willdo what's right, even if I must
stand alone.
Those really spoke to me andthat was something I was like
okay, two things I can try to do, two things I can think about
doing two things more in my life.
Yeah, that was really good.
(34:12):
All right, guys.
Well, thank you for being hereand I'm excited to hear more
from this message next week,more from the Honor Code.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, me too, Kevin.
If there was a send-off to theBeyond Sunday podcast, what
would the slogan be?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh man, Put me on the spot.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
For Beyond Sunday.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, For Beyond Sunday and nowon Monday.
We hope you go beyond into thenext coming Sunday.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That got real confusing you know the last time
Peter was here, he wrote us asong.
Yeah.
And I asked if you'd be able torepeat it when you came back.
Yeah, do you got it?
You ready again?
Yeah, no, it's verse two.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Okay, and I asked if you would be able to repeat it
when you came back.
Yeah, do you got it you readyagain?
Yeah, no, it's verse two.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, I'm ready.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
tune.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
No, oh, okay, it's not Completely new.
You were inspired.
It starts with a little guitarriff it's like.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I just don't think there's anything else we can say
.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's the jingle, that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It has to change every week.
Yeah, you're going to work onthat.
Yeah, I've got one for nextweek.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You're back next week now.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Until then, let's keep living our faith beyond
Sunday.
Thank you.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we look at oursermon series that we're going
through and dive a little bitdeeper into figuring out what
we're taking beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and Ihave some wonderful guests today
.
It's like Northwest isrepresented.
Our Northwest campus isrepresented today.
Go ahead, introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Peter Bay campus.
Director of Kim King'sNorthwest.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Kevin McClure, worship and production director
of the same campus.
You said it so fast.
I feel like I had to go slow inorder to balance it out.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, just wanted to get in there.
Is that the right way?
I think you guys balance eachother out.
In many ways You're oppositeslike that.
What else?
What do you mean by that?
Dina, Tell us more.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Let's make this podcast about us.
When Peter's here it always is.
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Man, there's a place here at King King's called the
Core, and are you making asuggestion that I stop by, or
what Well?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I would never suggest that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You make use of that as you see fit.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's fair, and I do .
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Determine your own needs.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And I do.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
All right, so I don't know if you guys know this, but
today is National Egg Day.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I did not know that you have a big party planned
later at home.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It is National Egg Day.
I did not know that you have abig party planned later at home.
It is National Egg Day, so myquestion for you is what is your
favorite way to eat eggs?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
My favorite way to eat an egg.
This is going to be complex.
Obviously, eat an egg.
This is going to be complex.
Obviously I like to.
This part's not complex, butI'll cook it over easy.
But then I'll also make sometoast and bacon.
Throw a little toast bacon overeasy egg, on top a little bit
(02:00):
of syrup, and cut it with a forkand knife and mow it down.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's called an eagle's nest, and let the yolk
like slide all over.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, okay, okay, the syrup was a surprise for me.
Yeah, but you can't have toomuch.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's not like pancake that you can just have an
unlimited amount of syrup.
You call that an eagle's nest.
I don't know if that's whatit's officially called, but
that's what I've called it for10 years.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Maybe you need to trademark that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe I should I don't know Open up my own
restaurant.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, my favorite way would probably be in like
cookie dough or just somethinglike that Cookies or just baking
with it.
I'm not a big egg fan.
Really.
No, and it troubles my tummyEggs do baking with it.
I'm not a big egg fan, really.
No, it troubles my tummy Eggsdo.
And cookies might as well, butthey taste good enough to risk
(02:53):
it.
So cookies would be number one.
Number two would be Gastonstyle, where you just eat them
raw.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Do you ever do that?
I haven't Like for real?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I have not, but I would be willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I would try that.
I don't think I've ever done itbefore either.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, next time you're here, I'm bringing some
raw eggs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
On this date next year.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
National Egg Day.
Are we going to film it thattime?
Then, yeah, we'll have to.
Alright, on socials, peoplewill want to see that we could
charge.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We could charge.
Maybe this is a VBS challengein the making.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh, for sure that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, my favorite way to eat eggs is deviled eggs.
I'm a sucker for deviled eggs.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh yeah, my wife loves deviled eggs, but I don't
like store-bought deviled eggs.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The filling's just not the right consistency.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
What do you put in that filling?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I'm a Miracle Whip fan.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I like some.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Miracle Whip mixed in Little mustard, little Miracle
Whip, and then season all on top, Maybe a little paprika.
But that's my deviled eggs.
Making deviled eggs afterEaster, like when you've cracked
all the Easter eggs that mykids love to hide and then they
get all cracked up and then wewash them and make them into
deviled eggs, where they're likegnarly colored and everything
(04:10):
that, to me, is like I don'tknow.
There's something about justthe memories.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You hide actual eggs in your house.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Sometimes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You're wild.
You only hide the plastic ones.
We can't find our TV remote.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, you lose one egg for long enough.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's not going to go well, you'll find it
eventually.
You'll be able to sniff it out,it's okay.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I feel like Miracle Whip is deception.
You think it's mayonnaise andyou eat it, and it's tangy and
gross.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I grew up on Miracle Whip, though, so that's my fave.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I don't know, kevin, are you Miracle Whip or
Mayonnaise?
I don't like Miracle.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Whip.
Nor do I like deviled eggs, butmy wife would have an opinion
on this, so someday she can comeshare that opinion on deviled
eggs day.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Did you know any people who used to call them
like sanctified eggs orsomething?
No, can't give the devil creditfor a delicious food.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Resurrected eggs.
Resurrected eggs.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
All right, I'm not really sure how to transition
from eggs to honor but we'regoing to go for it.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's a great title for this podcast From eggs to
honor Part one.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So this week we started a new sermon series, and
this is called Honor Code, andPastor Zach Zender led us with
this first week honoring Godabove the crowd.
So what was your initialtakeaway?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this message today?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, for me to get some like measured ways to talk
about honor was great.
Um the uh reputation.
What was his reputation?
And?
respect respect, yeah, so that Ithink those were great ways.
This is how we're going to getafter it this week.
Um, and the other thing thatreally stood out to me was, uh,
(05:59):
the the Micaiah Bible event thathe used to tell it, one because
I knew very little aboutMicaiah, like it was.
Like, have I even heard thatname?
Was my first thought.
And then learning about Micaiahand how he stood up and honored
God above everything, eventhough it risks his reputation
(06:19):
that I, those things reallystood out to me for this week.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah yeah, the story of Micaiah.
I love that story.
Whenever I've read through itit sticks with me for several
days and then I like Zach wasjoking about it.
I'm like would I ever name mykid Micaiah for that moment.
But then I think MicaiahMcClure and I'm like that's
either too good or not good.
Like I can't decide if it's yeah, right, uh, so that that's like
(06:44):
a, a, a cool, cool name.
I love what he did and thething that like jumped at me
this during this sermon was whenhe was reading through um,
micaiah's vision that he had, uh, to King Ahab, and the part
that he started reading, Irecognized it as very similar to
(07:05):
Isaiah 6, 8.
It says and the Lord wassitting on his throne, his train
, the rope, the train of hisrobe, filled the temple, and.
And then it changes.
And it's a different kind ofexperience than what Isaiah has
in Isaiah 6, 8.
And so that just jumped at me oflike, oh, this very unique, or
this not so very unique settingwith multiple prophets, and in
(07:25):
this case, um, it was the momentthat God was saying, uh, who
will we send not to go for usbut to go and deceive King Ahab,
and I thought that was sointeresting of like this moment
that God is actually planningAhab's own destruction, um, but
it's this same setting that wesee God and Isaiah go to want to
(07:47):
go and rescue his people.
He's also wanting to rescue hispeople from a wicked king in
this way.
So it just jumped at me thistime that I'd never noticed
before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, that's cool.
I really felt convicted by thequestions that Zach started out
with.
Like the hundred100 bill Not somuch that one I think I'd
probably chase after the guyeven if he was walking to his
yacht and giving back his $100bill but like the Netflix
password or some of those thingsthat just really got me
thinking about.
(08:16):
What ways am I not honoring?
I guess I think of honor assomething bigger and not in
those smaller things, you know,the daily things that we do, um,
and how am I teaching my kidsor my grandkids or those around
me that I am honoring of things?
And if I'm right now, netflixgot smart and we're not sharing
(08:37):
a password.
We pay for separate accounts.
I don't know if you guys havethis issue, but it was.
I have adult children and youcan add on to your Netflix
account.
You know that was a wholeprocess that we went through,
but never did I think of that asbeing honoring of the business
but, it is, and so it just gotme thinking how are the little
(08:58):
things in life, how are thelittle ways that we show honor
reflect who we are in our lives?
So Zach defined honor aspursuing a good reputation and
showing proper respect forothers, and then he asked a
(09:19):
question that he kind of felt ismaybe something in doubt right
now.
Are we taught to tear eachother down instead of honoring
each other?
What are your feelings aboutthat?
Like, do you feel in culturetoday we're more taught to get
in that competitive nature, getabove people, like, where it's
almost tearing each other downinstead of honoring each other.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I think it's actually what makes certain
people so attractive is thatthey look to honor people and
they look to make a name forothers versus themselves, and my
hope is that that's whatChristians would be known for,
notably, making the name ofJesus known and honored.
Known and honored Um, but it's.
(10:08):
It's so common in our cultureto hear the phrase uh, this guy
just steps all over people youknow, or he uses people to get
to the next level himself orherself and um, it's really a
shame to hear that.
And I, yeah, I, I during Zach'smessage, one of the things that
jumped at me is something thatwe talk about with my kids a lot
Um message.
One of the things that jumped atme is something that we talk
about with my kids a lot,something that we say a lot in
our house is we want to raiseyou, my children, to be people
(10:33):
of high character, and I thinkbeing an honoring person is part
of that.
And being a person of highcharacter my kids would probably
be able to recite this really,really well at this point,
because I say it all the time ischoose to the right thing, no
matter what, and when you do dothe wrong thing you choose to
make it right.
And being a person who honorsothers is not always easy,
(10:54):
because sometimes it feels likebut I want to get mine too, you
know, but but what you're sayingis, well, you want to give them
what they're due first, and,yeah, that's fairly
countercultural.
I think a lot of people wouldagree that that's a good thing,
but I think that we see aculture right now where there's
(11:15):
you know, however you feel,about billionaires and all that
conversation happening, likethere's a lot of people that the
perception is they got there byundercutting others and
stepping on people, and sopeople are wondering well, maybe
I need to start doing that now,and the call of the Christian,
I think, is to push back againstthat and say, no, we're going
to stay steadfast in honoringthe people that deserve it most,
(11:38):
notably God himself.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, zach mentioned that we are going to get to a
future message on authority andthat should be really great
because I think culturally thatis a oh my goodness.
Culture stomps all overhonoring authority, whether it's
each other or in an upwardsrelationship, so like if you
(12:03):
don't like what, um, yourpolitical leader is doing, or
you don't like what your schoolteachers or principals doing, I
people I see much more oftenthey'll talk about rather than
talk to.
Now it's hard to get anaudience with your political
leader, um, but we have anaudience with the creator of the
(12:24):
universe.
Like we can be praying to Godfirst for our political leaders,
praying to God first for ourprinciples, and when we do that
it changes our heart towardsthose people and I bet we'll
trash them less often behindtheir back If the first step is
going to God to say I want themto succeed, god be with them,
(12:45):
bless their family, bless theirposition.
You know we also see it frompeople in standing political
leaders bashing other politicalleaders.
I love sports.
When I watch sports, I see someof the flashiest players
(13:17):
putting down other players andcelebrating their victories more
than honoring the other teamAlthough there are honorable
people for sure, that more oftenthan not in our culture, honor
is not seen as something to bedoing, and I do think that it
has unfortunately mixed its wayinto Christianity, and
(13:41):
Christians slamming politicalleaders, christians slamming
their school, the teachers andprincipals, whoever those people
in authority are.
And the bottom line is when wedo that, we're dishonoring God,
(14:02):
and I think of Joseph withPotiphar, and he says I will not
dishonor God and my master, andthere's really something for me
to take away from that whereit's like me saying something or
doing something poor againstthe people that have authority
(14:25):
over me, first and foremost isdishonoring God.
Um, but my reputation is firstwith God, and if my reputation
is first there, well then I'llprobably dishonor the people
around me less, as I mean.
So, either way you cut it, uh,I think we ought to honor more
and, uh, in our culture does not?
(14:47):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That question really made me think of my son, um, who
is 18 now, but when he was, Idon't know, probably just
becoming a teenager.
Um, my basement has been theplace where he and his friends
hang out.
So, on a routine basis there'sa group of young men in my
basement and they went through astage when they were starting
(15:09):
middle school where it was allfun and games to roast each
other or to raz each other or tocut each other down and they
did it in the intent of like,embracing each other.
You know what I mean.
Like, I know that's how itstarted, but it was very
culturally acceptable and itwould irk me to no end to be
(15:31):
upstairs and hear them becauseboys are a lot louder than you
think but just cutting eachother down and everybody
laughing about it, because Iknew there were a couple of the
things that, like my son, wouldget roasted on, that he was
sensitive about.
Now, did he take it to heart ordid he take it in jest, as it
was intended?
I don't know.
So this was happening on aroutine basis.
(15:51):
He take it to heart or did hetake it in jest, as it was
intended?
I don't know, but there, solike this was happening on a
routine basis and one time I sathim down and engaged him in a
conversation and I was like Ijust I don't love this.
You know, we're supposed tospeak positively about each
other and these are otherchildren of God and we want to
be, you know, kind to them.
And he's like mom, it's no bigdeal, you know, it's just this
or that.
You know, we're all just jokingaround and I was like, well,
(16:12):
when this person you know, Iheard this person say this about
you and I know you strugglewith that Is it really just
joking around?
And I think it really stoppedhim in his tracks, like he had
learned to let it roll off hisback, but on certain things it
did stick with him or it wassomething he was insecure about
and I said to me this is a veryfine line with bullying each
(16:33):
other.
You know what I mean.
We don't know what somebody'scarrying out of that room, even
if you say it with the intent of, hey, you're my friend, I can
tease you about this.
And I just kept thinking whenZach was talking about this on
Sunday, like talking abouttearing each other down I just
kept thinking back to that andthinking how, here was my
preteen son learning thatsomething that was very
(16:54):
acceptable among his group offriends maybe wasn't so
acceptable if you really thoughtmore about it.
And I was like, how do we dothat?
You know there's no more watercoolers, like, but standing
around the water cooler at work,or you know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Once again, as people who want to follow Jesus, we
ought to be aware of what theneeds of people around us are,
so that we can match up withthat.
Have you ever been in asituation where you're just
talking with any given personand then you say something that
you didn't mean to soundsarcastic, but it did because of
(28:50):
the tone, but it did because ofthe tone?
Like I've been in that positionso many times and then I've had
to be like like you look atthat person and they're so
confused because, like, are you,wait, are you serious?
Are you not serious?
Like no, I was, I just I don'tknow why it came out that way.
And so there's just this umintentionality with every single
(29:11):
word that if we're not careful,we, um, we, we can put off the
wrong thing.
And so I just think it's reallycritical for us to be mindful.
Not that we ought to be theninauthentic and never make jokes
and be, you know, these wooden,stoic people that you know,
don't know, don't know how tohave a good time, but like just
(29:32):
to read the room a little bitand be aware of what other
people might need, cause itmight be different than how we
would normally present something.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, that's good, yeah, and if you didn't get a
chance to watch the message, I'mseeing the face that Zach's
making when he's doing thenonverbal and impersonation of
Micaiah is hilarious.
Yeah, he looks like a crazyperson.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So, it was really good, so check that out.
I also like his.
You know, when he's talkingabout body language he's doing
almost like a little dance.
That's something to check out,Good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have always read that portion of the story when
Micaiah says, yes, go to war andyou'll win, like he's being
super sarcastic, like obviouslysarcastic.
I don't know why I read it likethat every single time, and so
it was funny.
When he didn't read it likethat, I was like what are you
doing here?
This is the wrong character.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know Just like shaking his head no
while saying it, yeah, yeah, Ikind of wanted to do multiple
passes like one really shortpass.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, give me multiple different takes,
because it seems like he couldhave gone any direction with it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So I hope and God, I know you're listening up there
Out there.
I know it's not up, guys,goodness gracious.
It's not up, guys, goodnessgracious.
So when I get to heaven, um,because of what Jesus has done,
and I'm up there and celebratinglike part of what I, I'd love
to see scenes not just from theBible but from of, like, all of
(31:07):
humanity that I don't get to seeon earth.
You know, like I can go throughthe Rolodex, but I could scroll
back to Micaiah and that scenewith Ahab and like actually see
what it looked like, wouldn'tthat be amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I always wanted.
This is totally off topic, butI've always hoped to get like.
You know how the end of theyear, spotify will give you your
stats of like, what song youlisten to the most.
I want I want one of those oflike okay, how many times did I
listen to this song in my entirelife?
Or like, how many times did Ieat pepperoni pizza for a meal?
Like?
I want to see the stats that isso random I don't even like
(31:42):
stats.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I'm so curious, I want to see it now too.
How many ounces of cranberrysauce?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We talk about food.
So much on this.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
So, as we wrap up, what aresome final takeaways that you
have from this message seriesthis particular week?
Honoring God above the crowd.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, honor is a really cool topic that we don't
get into a lot, but it mattersand I'm excited to hear how we
dive further into authority andthe generations and other ways
to see honor in a biblicalperspective.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I am very, um, maybe aware because of this message
now of, um, how my my generaldisposition towards other people
that I'm in meetings withduring the work day or at home
with, or playing music with, orwhatever of like okay, I need to
be a little bit less selfdirected and more aware of, okay
, what are the needs of thepeople around me.
That's been sticking with mefor the last couple of days just
to make sure that I'm the bestversion of what they need in
(33:06):
that moment, and not just thebest version of myself for me,
but the best version of myselffor them and honoring kind of
their needs in the moment.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And that can be hard when you're not feeling it.
Yeah, I did that.
Last night.
I saw a guy who I haven't seenfor years Awesome dude at a
basketball game and I just hadzero energy.
Like as soon as I got home fromthe game I was like I'm going
to bed.
Chris was like did I dosomething wrong?
(33:39):
I'm like no, I'm just done, andI did not give him like the joy
that I normally would in seeingthis guy.
And it's been years and I'velike I regret it.
So, jason, if you're listening,I love you man.
I'm sorry, I wasn't energizedfor you and it was good to see
you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So I really liked Pastor Zach's takeaways, the two
takeaways that he gave, whichwas I will listen to God before
I listen to the crowd and I willdo what's right, even if I must
stand alone.
Those really spoke to me andthat was something I was like
okay, two things I can try to do, two things I can think about
doing two things more in my life.
Yeah, that was really good.
(34:12):
All right, guys.
Well, thank you for being hereand I'm excited to hear more
from this message next week,more from the Honor Code.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, me too, Kevin.
If there was a send-off to theBeyond Sunday podcast, what
would the slogan be?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh man, Put me on the spot.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
For Beyond Sunday.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, For Beyond Sunday and nowon Monday.
We hope you go beyond into thenext coming Sunday.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That got real confusing you know the last time
Peter was here, he wrote us asong.
Yeah.
And I asked if you'd be able torepeat it when you came back.
Yeah, do you got it?
You ready again?
Yeah, no, it's verse two.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Okay, and I asked if you would be able to repeat it
when you came back.
Yeah, do you got it you readyagain?
Yeah, no, it's verse two.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, I'm ready.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
tune.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
No, oh, okay, it's not Completely new.
You were inspired.
It starts with a little guitarriff it's like.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I just don't think there's anything else we can say
.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's the jingle, that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It has to change every week.
Yeah, you're going to work onthat.
Yeah, I've got one for nextweek.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You're back next week now.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Until then, let's keep living our faith beyond
Sunday.
Thank you.
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