June 18, 2025 • 34 mins
In this Beyond Sunday episode, the King of Kings Northwest Campus team joins Dina to talk about what it really looks like to honor others in a world quick to criticize. From seeing people through God’s eyes to choosing dignity over gossip, the conversation challenges us to live out Romans 12:10 and bring honor back into our everyday relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and talk about what we'retaking Beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I'mhere today with some of our
amazing staff from our Northwestcampus.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Whoop, whoop whoop, I'm clam hoggard.
I'm clam hoggard, that's uh.
So we are recording this in themidst of Vacation, bible school
week and my name's Peter BayCampus director at King's
Northwest, but this week I amplaying the role of Clam hoggard
.
Hillbilly, from Alabama, whomoved to the true north To get
away from people, is nowstealing all the kids coats,
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unless they reach their goal.
So hopefully they do, it'sgonna be great.
Otherwise I'll steal all theircoats.
To get away from people is nowstealing all the kids' coats
unless they reach their goal, sohopefully they do, it's going
to be great.
Otherwise I'll steal all theircoats.
That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And I just have one name, it's Kate Silberg, and I
am the associate campus director, also at the Northwest Campus.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm so glad you guys could be here today.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Kate, you stealing any coats?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I teach a Bible story, so there's no stealing
involved in my role.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Wow, your role sounds pretty holy to me.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
So holy.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So holy you teach them God's word, and I'll steal
their coats.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Amen, we offer the full package here at King of
Kings.
Dina, you're out at.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
King of Kings Northwest this summer too.
Large group leading how?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
are you feeling about it?
Yeah, I love it.
I love VBS.
It's my favorite time of year,so it's great to come out there,
and now you have your newwonderful facility done.
Last summer we were still underconstruction out there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So it's really nice to be there and everything's
finished and beautiful.
The sound is impeccable, it is.
There's one little girl whocame up to me at day one and she
goes do you not really knowjesus?
She was traumatized veryearnestly.
She asked me that and I'm incharacter, so it's like what do
you do?
yeah, like I've said as acharacter, I did not know jesus
right, and so they're trying toteach me.
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So I just looked at her and Isaid, would you tell me about
him?
And she said, oh yeah, I will.
So it's been a great week.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The Faith of.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Kids is really amazing.
Terrific Tiny missionaries.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah.
So this Sunday we were luckyenough to celebrate Father's Day
at all of our campuses, and somy opening question to you guys
is what is like a standoutmemory of fatherhood, whether it
is your father, um, you know,yeah, for you, peter, being a
father like what's just a uhmemory that goes with fatherhood
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, that stands out to you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh boy.
Um, yeah, I mean my dad.
I mean my dad worked hard inhis job.
He was a sheet metal worker.
He came home tired off and hestill coached our sports and was
very faithful to come to churchand usher and help where he
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could, and so seeing hisfaithful example is awesome, I
think.
For me, fatherhood is like Itold the church on Sunday.
We sat down Saturday evening tohave a serious conversation
because summer's a mess and theBay House is unraveling, and so
I said, hey, we're done blamingeach other.
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I said I want each of you tothink of one thing that you can
do to help the family.
And our littlest gives a goodanswer.
And then the older ones arejust like I could punch my
siblings, you know it didn't gowell.
And so fatherhood, oh my gosh, Ithink parenthood, but
fatherhood of like, trying tolead and being like I have have
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a valiant idea and it's hard,but yeah, just trying to be
intentional to see the kids eachtime we're with them and to
like talk to them individuallyand that kind of stuff.
It's just learning and I thinkfatherhood's also changed a bit
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over the last 20 to 30 years oflike my dad.
When I was little I rarely eversaid I love you.
Those kind of things Gave hugsDidn't really do that.
Nowadays that's much moreaccepted, which I think when you
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talk to people our age they saywell, I know my dad loved me,
he just didn't say it too often,or at all type thing.
So trying to speak those wordsinto my kids is something that's
different with fatherhood now.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, I was blessed to grow up with a great dad too,
and he was at Northwest onSunday and I gave him a shout
out from the stage, which I'mpretty sure like-.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Did you talk to him about that at all?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah, he didn't say much about that, but my mom
was very proud of what I saidbecause I said he was the best
dad in all the universe.
I think I said that as exactwords.
But yeah, he was great growingup, Same kind of as Peter's.
My dad worked a ton, but Iremember on Saturdays he would
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give my mom to go, to give apass to her to go shopping
wherever she wanted, and he'dstay home with us and before she
came home we would disguiseourselves, stay home with us,
and before she came home wewould disguise ourselves so we'd
like cut out mustaches andglasses and big eyebrows, so
like she wouldn't be able tofind us when she got home.
So I mean the things my dadcame up with, they were pretty
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good.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
What a dude that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, it was fun.
He was a great dad.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How about you, Dina?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
My best memories of my dad is just how strong of a
faith leader he was in ourhousehold.
My generation of growing up.
My dad worked, he was not homea lot, he was gone and it was
the oh wait till your fathergets home kind of generation.
But he was always so strong inhis faith and that was such a
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valuable thing for him to passalong to us and it was important
that we were involved in churchand that we prayed together.
And I think that there are alot of families now where I
think sometimes the mother hasto take the point in that
because it's not as easilyaccepted to take the point in
that because it's not as easilyaccepted.
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I don't know whether that's aculture thing or just a time
thing or what, but I just myfather was definitely my mom was
a great woman of faith, but myfather was definitely the leader
of our household in that andstill is, like to this day,
still checks on me, checks on mykids.
That we're all you know.
Hey, did you go to church thisweek?
What'd you learn this week?
Hey, you spending some kids.
That were all you know.
Hey, did you go to church thisweek?
What'd you learn this week.
Hey, you spending some time inthe word, you know that kind of
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thing and I just love that abouthim.
Sweet, yeah, all right, so weare in week three of Honor Code
and Pastor Greg Griffith did themessage this week.
So what really spoke to youguys?
What?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this week's message?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean Greg said, like if you hear one thing, and
one thing only, it wasessentially like Jesus loves you
and died for you, amidst yourskeletons, like amidst the
things that, and that's why,because of our sin, jesus came,
he died, we're redeemed, andeven as a Christian who's grown
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up with that my whole lifehearing that, like I still need
to hear that.
And I didn't know what he wasgoing to say when he said if you
hear one thing, I thought itcould have been like to honor
your family or like somethinglike that.
And then it was just like thegospel, and I found myself being
like I needed to hear thatagain today, because, regardless
how many times I hear it, Ineed to be reminded of it.
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So that stood out to me.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I just I kind of had forgotten that part of the story
of Noah, when he had too muchwine and his boys reacted in
different ways, and I just feellike that's a choice we have
probably daily.
You hear of either someone'smistake or someone's mishap and
it's like oh, did you hear the?
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Tea, you know, look at dad inthe cave.
Or can we cover this up tominimize the fallout, and so
I've been thinking a lot aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That was the same thing for me, really, where he
talked about that.
Now, the culture tends to beexposing flaws but honor is
covering things with dignity.
That was what's been bonkingaround in my brain, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And the way they backed up into the cave so they
didn't even look at hisnakedness Impressive.
I hope my kids would do that.
Who knows, though, yikes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean I feel like, as I mean I don't want the
listeners to all think of theirparents naked here, but I mean
that's not something that any ofus really want to see.
So I feel like that was agenius way to do this and I
could picture like my siblingsdoing this and be like oh, don't
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look at him Go backwards.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Cover your eyes.
Are you covered?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And I've always wondered, like, like, did ham
get in trouble for it, or it?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
does I?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know, I don't remember, yeah, and and I guess
, uh, I've like always wondereddid he do that and did he tell
his brothers in a rude way?
I know like that's that's whatI've heard several times with
preachers is like ham was, hewas being a, not doing it well,
and the other brothers showedhonor and that was like the
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point and it's a great point.
But I've always wondered likemaybe this was new for him and
he's like what in the world?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right so shocked.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Also, I don't know how old they were in this.
This was post-flood right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Not when you got me Okay, I don't know how old they
were in this.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
This was post-flood right, Not when you got me.
Okay, I don't know yeah.
I'm going to have to look later, yeah check it out If you're at
home, scholar this up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But like I think it's post-flood.
So if these are older bros, ifthey're older, married with kids
, well then it's like that makesa lot of sense that they ought
to be responsible with it.
If they're younger, then it'sjust like oh my goodness, that's
totally nanky.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, mass chaos.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So now Greg talked a little bit about, like, the
biblical definition of honor.
What does it mean to honorsomeone according to that
biblical definition?
What?
What did you guys think of that?
What?
What did you take away fromthat?
What spoke to you there?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you write it down ?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, I what I remember was you're treating
them as if you were treatingJesus.
Yeah, Hopefully that's theright answer.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So what was the question again?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Can you tell we've been at VBS all morning.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, clem Right.
What does it mean to honorsomeone according to the
biblical definition, where we'retreating them Holy smokes as if
we're treating our Savior?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right Right, treating them holy as if we're treating
our savior right right.
Would I gossip about my savior?
Would I tease about my savior?
Would I make jokes about mysavior?
I um, now, if he's my bestfriend, there would be some
things that I would say that areon limits to tease about.
Like, if, like.
If jesus had like really tinycalves, like I might still be
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like man.
Jesus got some chicken legs.
That bro did you see when hewas walking on water I don't
know if you would say that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't know if I believe.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I don't think you would jesus, and jesus would be
like he'd be.
He'd laugh and he'd be likethese licks kept me on the cross
and I'd be like you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Discussion over I'll go sit down now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, so, but honestly I think, yeah, it would remove
gossip, it would remove any ofthose even.
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I think the thinking wouldchange of the people around me.
So, yeah, that's big.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I think that's really like kind of the culture shift
that Greg was talking about.
You know, we've become soaccustomed to that being
commonplace that we're nothonoring of each other.
We are, you know, chiding eachother or, you know, making light
of chicken legs or whatever itmay be.
Like I said, exposing flawsversus covering with dignity.
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How are we doing that?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
yeah, that's, that's a heavy at the beginning of the
message.
Uh, greg was talking about like, how, like rejecting the
stereotypes on tv shows andstuff like that.
How did that hit you guys?
He talked about, like, um, howthey make dads to look so
unintelligent on TV shows.
How did that hit you?
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I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I don't feel like I understood it.
I don't feel like the showsthat I watched really portrayed
that a lot.
And maybe it was just indifferent shows.
Well, the one show that I canreally think of that I did watch
, that was like that was marriedwith children A little.
Al Bundy was like totallyclueless you know what I mean,
and that was yes, the wholefamily was like that was the
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whole family.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, pretty, dishonor each other altogether.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But I grew up a lot on.
Now this may be, you know, atab up with cosby show like that
was a family sitcom we wouldwatch and I know, I know cosby
is canceled now, which that's.
You know not to condone any ofthat, but I grew the cosby show
as a whole.
Dad was not clueless in thatshow, like he was very much an
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advocate for his kids andwanting to teach them and
discipline them when needed andlead them in the right direction
.
That's more of the style that Iremember watching and so I
didn't really relate a lot tosome of the.
I guess Homer Simpson I'vewatched the Simpsons so that one
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I could relate a little bit to.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Sure Kate.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I feel like it's a hit or miss, whether it sinks in
or not.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I don't think I could really relate too much of
it.
I remember watching Family Tiesand they were all pretty
wholesome.
The dad was kind of similar toCosby Show.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Growing Pains.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Did you watch Growing Pains too?
They were pretty wholesome too.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So yeah, and I'm like , I mean, these are the tropes
that are funny.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like if we want to show that's funny, it's like if
the dad's always got it together.
I mean Cosby did it well, Iguess I mean and dad blunders
sometimes, mom blunderssometimes, guess I mean and dad
blunders sometimes, mom blunderssometimes.
So yeah, I mean the consistent,the consistent blundering dad.
But I, I look at like mymarriage.
If there's one of us is gonnablunder, it's not gonna be
carista.
So I'm like as, as a dad with apenchant for ridiculousness,
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like I, I guess I see the pointthat greg was going to make and
like the wife is the one thatholds everything together and
the dad's getting stuck in theblinds.
you know get in here, you knowwhatever and just making dads to
look ridiculous and stupid isis something you'd want to
reject, because we do need mento be leaders in our homes and
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our churches and our communities.
Um, but I, I don't know, thedumb day.
I kind of enjoy it on tv.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Makes me feel better about myself I guess there's a
time and a place isn't that whatentertainment is supposed to do
?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
give you a little step away from reality, maybe.
I suppose yeah, if it gets afine line, though, then when it
becomes cultural and theillustration that Greg shared
with a nephew flipping his dadthe bird you know, that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
well, now, this is reality, yep.
And is that taught by what he'swatching?
I'm I'm sure it's part of it.
So, yeah, there's credence toit.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.
So, leading right into my nextquestion, how does Pastor Greg
relate the concept of honor withthe culture that we live in?
We touched base a little bit onit with what you said.
Kate.
Talked about exposing flawsversus covering with dignity.
What do you guys think of?
Where do you see honoring inour culture, Like, where do you
see the lack of it right now, ona regular basis?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Man, the news is rough lately.
It's hard for me to watch.
I watch it in small clips butit's definitely.
What can you reveal?
What's the worst you can revealabout somebody and then spill
it to the millions.
So I mean, I guess I've alwaysjust thought about, like, what's
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my sphere of influence, whichis usually my children, my
coworkers, my friends, and sosometimes it's just a comment
where you can turn theconversation in a different
direction, and sometimes that'sall.
That's all you can bring to thetable, you know, and it really
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can turn the whole conversation.
So it's valuable, I think.
Enter in the whole conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So it's valuable, I think.
Yeah, I guess therecommendations I would give is
one do what you can to get offof social media.
Do what you can to stopwatching the news.
And if and if you, if that'sjust part of your routine of
social media and news and you'relike, nope, we can't do that.
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This is what I do.
Watch it with a critical lensof like who is honoring on here
and what is not.
Or maybe keep an honor and adishonor tracker and tally it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And then say is this good for me?
Because if I spend more time onsocial media and the news cycle
than I do talking to peopleface to face, I know that I'm
going to see more dishonor thanactually have a chance to impact
people positively around me.
And then the other thing Iwould say is similar to what
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Kate said.
I remember teaching back in theday I taught junior, high and
high school and kids just lovedto trash on other kids, and so
did teachers.
They loved to trash on otherteachers and students at times
because it can get frustrating.
And I had a coworker namedSteve and Steve he had this
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thing he did.
And I remember teachers weretalking bad about a kid.
I'll give the kid the name Paul, and it wasn't actually Paul,
but they were just saying oh,paul's just, he's driving me
nuts in class and he's doingthis and he's doing that,
whatever.
And whenever Steve would walkup and hear people talking like
that, he would say are you guystalking about Paul?
I love Paul.
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Paul's a child of God, paul'san amazing kid and he would just
get all positive.
And then everyone had to stoptalking negative and he was
honoring in a very dishonoringsituation and people like it
became a joke.
Like well, here comes positiveSteve.
You know he's going to be allpositive again, but it's like
how awesome, right, if you'sgoing to be all positive again,
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but it's like how awesome, right, if you're going to have a
nickname.
Right.
And the reality is like, stevehas his challenges too and he's
not always positive, but inthose instances he was great at
just refocusing it and helpingus realize oh yeah, I'm being
dishonoring right now and thisis not helpful for Paul or for
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myself or anyone in thissituation.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Right, you have a thing, peter, that you talk
about before you say something.
Is it helpful?
Is it true?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, this is.
John Acuff wrote a book calledSoundtracks.
It's a very easy read.
I recommend it for anyonebecause it just reframes the way
that we think.
We have a tendency to ruminatenegative things in our mind.
That's the natural thing to do.
You can have 20 people say, wow, you were great today, and one
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person say I didn't like the wayyou talked to me.
And that's what we're going tothink about all day long.
Oh, they didn't like the waythey talked to me.
They don't like me?
Oh no.
And if it's someone importantto me, like, are they not going
to talk to?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
me anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are they going to affect my life?
Oh no, and we'll repeat thosethings in our mind.
And whether we're saying themout loud or repeating things in
our mind, the questions thatSoundtracks tells you to ask
yourself is this true, is ithelpful, is it kind?
And if the answer is no to atleast two of those, then remove
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that statement that you'resaying out loud or saying in
your head.
Replace it with somethingthat's true and as Christians,
we can replace it with thingslike I'm a child of the Most
High King, I am loved andredeemed by Jesus Christ.
You know all those statementsand repeat those.
What would that do to ourselvesand the people around us if
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that's what we were fillingourselves up with?
versus what the media wants usto hear.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right, exposing those flaws.
That's a much better line ofthought.
Yeah, can you think of a timewhere you had an experience
where you covered something withhonor or you changed that the
conversation or the dynamic, oryou had a personal experience
with the situation?
I can.
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For me, I there's someone that'sclose to me in my life that it
has struggled with alcoholismfor a long time, and so there
gets to be the dynamic of theirinteractions with other people
where it turns a lot of negativecomments about oh well, I think
they were drunk again, or thisinfluenced how they interacted
in this situation, and thatbecomes the dynamic that's
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talked about, and that's not allof who that person is.
And so for me, that's somethingwhere I intentionally have to be
cautious what I say in relationto that, because it is a
recognizable part of thatperson's life and how myself, my
family, my friends interactswith that person.
But how can we still behonoring to them?
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Because that is not all of whothey are.
They are still a child of God,they are still someone we love
and care about, they are stillsomeone that we want the best
for, and so that's what Ithought of when Greg asked that
question, kind of how does thishit in your personal life?
And that's what I thought of,how I tried to be honoring of
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that person in those situations,even when it may be a struggle
to talk about it in a positiveway.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, I remember being a teacher and every year
some kids were easier to workwith than others.
That's just how it is everyyear.
But one thing that helped mewas remembering how God's
mercies are new every morning.
So, no matter what happened theday before, we started fresh
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every morning.
So I would say good morning andI would not.
You know it was new.
Whatever happened yesterday wasdone.
We're moving forward, and so itwas just like a small way to
start our relationship againeach morning, and the right
track.
So that's what helped me getthrough.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
First off, this is a question that really sets us up
to look great.
Thank you for honoring us withthis question, because I think I
expose more often than coverpeople, and so, yeah, I just
want to admit that first, acouple ways.
One, when I go out to eat, Itry to honor my servers by
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learning their names, byspeaking kindly, by thanking
them, even maybe ask a couplequestions, hear a little bit of
their story, while trying toallow them to still do their job
efficiently.
And then another way that I tryto do this is, I mean,
fatherhood.
I talked about how my kids Ihave a seven, nine and eleven
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year old and they can be at eachother's throats constantly.
You know, like someone bentonwas telling somebody I'm going
to camp this summer, and thegirls got all excited.
They're like, how long is thecamp?
Is it a week?
And he's like, oh yeah, I thinkso.
And my, the girls were likewhat?
They're so excited becausetheir brother's gonna be gone
for a week and he's actuallymight only be like four or five
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days, and they're like, oh,disappointing.
And so it's just this constanttheme of like the kids just not
dishonor, just dishonor eachother constantly.
And at night, I always try topray for the kid I'm with, as
well as their siblings, andthank god for their siblings, um
.
So they hear that, that I thankgod for them, that I'm their
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daddy and um, and also for theirsiblings.
This over and over and overagain, hoping that at some point
it'll sink in it will.
We'll all come together.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It will.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You're in the thick of it, Yep you are.
So how can we reclaim honor in adishonored culture, like, how
do we intentionally spend timebuilding each other up?
Intentionally spend timebuilding each other up?
Or, you know, can you think ofways that you are honoring in
your family, in your friendgroup, like Greg talked about,
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how he tries to be intentionalabout, like, how he talks about
his spouse or how he talks, youknow, about his children, just
like you were just talking,peter.
What are ways you can think ofthat we in our daily lives can
try to reclaim honor in that way?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, the right answer is always Jesus.
Right, I think?
Especially in the culture, likewhat's happening around the
world, you know, are there goingto be wars?
People get worked up and theyput others down when they think
their ideas are right.
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How can this group be doingthis?
This is the right way, and it'sreally hard to go down that
path if you're keeping your eyesfocused on Jesus.
We have no idea.
You know what's going to happenpolitically, but we do know
what's going to happenspiritually, and Jesus has laid
it all out.
We know how the story ends andit's never divisive to show
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people the love of Jesus.
So is that the right answer?
Bingo, jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's the right answer, that's right.
Sunday school teachers all overthe place answer Bingo Jesus.
That's the right answer, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sunday school teachers all over the place
Rejoice, you did it.
Yeah, I think we've givenexamples of this right and if we
see people created in the imageof God, that changes the way
that we treat them.
That changes the way that wetreat them and um, and also to
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don't like I've other examplesor ways to say this would be
like to know that everybody issomebody's baby, right.
And so when I'm driving by, mykids ask me questions about the,
the homeless man who's askingfor things on the side of the
street, instead of just beinglike, well, you, you know, they
made some bad decisions and nowthey're on the street and
they're homeless and blah, blah,blah, is to like, think about
it, like, okay, this issomebody's baby who birthed this
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child and really believed andhope for the best in that kid
and maybe prayed for them everynight.
And, um, so, seeing people thatway and, uh, then, talking to
my kids that way to notdisparage the people, even
people that may be rude to sayyou know what?
(28:32):
Who knows what's going on withthem today or with them in their
life, and trying to hold peoplein a better light or give them
a benefit of the doubt, evenwhen they don't do that to you,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
One way I know I really tried to do this with my
kids when they were younger washow we talked about teachers,
because my kids would come homeand you're both teachers, so you
know my kids would come home oh, I hate this teacher, or this
teacher's so mean, or thisteacher's so this, whatever it
is, and I would really focus onOK, well, that's not all of who
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they are and what's theintention of whatever behavior
it is that you don't like thisteacher's so mean because
they're cracking down on this intheir classroom.
Well, why do you think that is?
And trying to get them tounderstand that people don't go
into teaching to discipline kids.
They go into teaching becausethey want to help kids, they
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want to empower them andencourage them, and so your
teacher wants this.
But they need to do X, y, z inorder to make the classroom run
more efficiently, in order toaccomplish your goals as a team,
in order to get everyone on thesame page and I just remember
trying to really teach themhonoring their teacher in the
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position, even if they didn'tlike this particular rule or
whatever it was, and sometimesit went over really well and
sometimes it was like a leadballoon, but it's like all
parenting.
Yeah, you never know what'sgoing to stick.
When so Greg mentioned theBible verse Romans 12.10, which
says be devoted to one anotherin love, honor one another above
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yourselves, how does that versespeak to you?
Or do you guys have a time inyour life where that really
played a part or you referencedthat verse or anything along
that?
Romans 12, 10, sorry, bedevoted to one another in love,
honor one another aboveyourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, when I think of devoted be devoted to one
another in love I think aboutlike really being for them and
being having an intentionaldrive to be present, be present,
(31:07):
and for me this is um I talkedabout it last time I was on this
podcast.
I believe like, uh, there aretimes that I am not energized.
Naturally, I'm a very energizedand present person, but there
are times when I'm not.
And uh, and I talked about how Isaw a buddy of mine, an old
buddy, at a basketball game andI was just not feeling, I was
just tired and whatever, and Ifelt bad about it and that's
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okay, it's okay to not always beenergized and on.
But then it's like, well, Ishould do something about that
when I do feel it like, and so Icalled him and we had a
fantastic conversation and I wasso glad I did.
Next time I see him, and we hada fantastic conversation and I
was so glad I did.
Next time I see him, we'regonna laugh and joke and
whatever, um, and so like,intentionally following up to
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like see and notice the peoplearound me, uh, and if I'm not
feeling it, it's okay.
But uh, then to do something,um later or just acknowledge hey
, sorry, I wasn't too energizedtoday, I'm just tired, because
people get it, they feel it too.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, yeah, I just think about you know, there's
certain people.
When I'm around them, it'salmost like they're a breath of
fresh air and the atmospherefeels light and I walk away
feeling better about who I amand that's the kind of person I
want to be like, because that'sa joy to be around, and so
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that's what I think of.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, that's nice.
So, as we wrap up today, do youguys have any final thoughts?
From this week three of honorcode Got one more week in this
series.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I'm excited for the final week, getting into
the different generationsBecause, like, that is something
that kind of drives me nuts,especially with the younger
generations.
I can kind of rip on my owngeneration because it's my
people, you know, but like whenwe rip on the younger
generations and we feel hopelessabout it, I'm excited.
Or the other way, like, oh,those boomers, it's like, oh, my
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goodness.
I mean each one of these is achild of the most high king.
So I'm excited to hear whatZach brings with that talk.
But yeah, I really appreciatethe way that Greg approached it
and the skeletons and Jesusloves us regardless of that was
good.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I kind of want to forget about that skeleton,
but it is a visual I'll rememberand I will remember him
choosing to take out the cross.
That was powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, if you didn't watch the sermon or weren't
there to witness it, you shouldgo back and watch the recording,
because there was a visualelement of it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, there was Skeletons in our closet, yep.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
God takes all that and changes it, reflects it to
the cross.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
There, you go yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So, Peter, do you have a song for us?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
today.
Not a song today, but I thinkthat Clem oh, Clem has a parting
.
Would like to close us out.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
All right, I'm all for it.
Clem Hoggard, right here onBeyond Sunday.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Clem Hoggard, everybody.
I was born and raised inAlabama.
I had 12 siblings, and boy werewe poor, and sometimes it was
easy to get angry with oursiblings.
But I've learned through thismessage on Sunday that I need to
honor, even if I feel like agoner being chased by a moose in
the holler, that I need tohonor.
Even if I feel like a gonerbeing chased by a moose in the
holler, I need to honor.
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And so you too, you can honor,be devoted to one another, as
Roman said, and keep living likewhat Sunday you heard.
What you heard on Sundaymatters Monday and the rest of
the week.
Go get them.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And I'll see you next Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and talk about what we'retaking Beyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I'mhere today with some of our
amazing staff from our Northwestcampus.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Whoop, whoop whoop, I'm clam hoggard.
I'm clam hoggard, that's uh.
So we are recording this in themidst of Vacation, bible school
week and my name's Peter BayCampus director at King's
Northwest, but this week I amplaying the role of Clam hoggard
.
Hillbilly, from Alabama, whomoved to the true north To get
away from people, is nowstealing all the kids coats,
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unless they reach their goal.
So hopefully they do, it'sgonna be great.
Otherwise I'll steal all theircoats.
To get away from people is nowstealing all the kids' coats
unless they reach their goal, sohopefully they do, it's going
to be great.
Otherwise I'll steal all theircoats.
That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And I just have one name, it's Kate Silberg, and I
am the associate campus director, also at the Northwest Campus.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm so glad you guys could be here today.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Kate, you stealing any coats?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I teach a Bible story, so there's no stealing
involved in my role.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Wow, your role sounds pretty holy to me.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
So holy.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So holy you teach them God's word, and I'll steal
their coats.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Amen, we offer the full package here at King of
Kings.
Dina, you're out at.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
King of Kings Northwest this summer too.
Large group leading how?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
are you feeling about it?
Yeah, I love it.
I love VBS.
It's my favorite time of year,so it's great to come out there,
and now you have your newwonderful facility done.
Last summer we were still underconstruction out there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So it's really nice to be there and everything's
finished and beautiful.
The sound is impeccable, it is.
There's one little girl whocame up to me at day one and she
goes do you not really knowjesus?
She was traumatized veryearnestly.
She asked me that and I'm incharacter, so it's like what do
you do?
yeah, like I've said as acharacter, I did not know jesus
right, and so they're trying toteach me.
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So I just looked at her and Isaid, would you tell me about
him?
And she said, oh yeah, I will.
So it's been a great week.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The Faith of.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Kids is really amazing.
Terrific Tiny missionaries.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah.
So this Sunday we were luckyenough to celebrate Father's Day
at all of our campuses, and somy opening question to you guys
is what is like a standoutmemory of fatherhood, whether it
is your father, um, you know,yeah, for you, peter, being a
father like what's just a uhmemory that goes with fatherhood
(02:36):
, that stands out to you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh boy.
Um, yeah, I mean my dad.
I mean my dad worked hard inhis job.
He was a sheet metal worker.
He came home tired off and hestill coached our sports and was
very faithful to come to churchand usher and help where he
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could, and so seeing hisfaithful example is awesome, I
think.
For me, fatherhood is like Itold the church on Sunday.
We sat down Saturday evening tohave a serious conversation
because summer's a mess and theBay House is unraveling, and so
I said, hey, we're done blamingeach other.
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I said I want each of you tothink of one thing that you can
do to help the family.
And our littlest gives a goodanswer.
And then the older ones arejust like I could punch my
siblings, you know it didn't gowell.
And so fatherhood, oh my gosh, Ithink parenthood, but
fatherhood of like, trying tolead and being like I have have
(03:42):
a valiant idea and it's hard,but yeah, just trying to be
intentional to see the kids eachtime we're with them and to
like talk to them individuallyand that kind of stuff.
It's just learning and I thinkfatherhood's also changed a bit
(04:03):
over the last 20 to 30 years oflike my dad.
When I was little I rarely eversaid I love you.
Those kind of things Gave hugsDidn't really do that.
Nowadays that's much moreaccepted, which I think when you
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talk to people our age they saywell, I know my dad loved me,
he just didn't say it too often,or at all type thing.
So trying to speak those wordsinto my kids is something that's
different with fatherhood now.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, I was blessed to grow up with a great dad too,
and he was at Northwest onSunday and I gave him a shout
out from the stage, which I'mpretty sure like-.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Did you talk to him about that at all?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah, he didn't say much about that, but my mom
was very proud of what I saidbecause I said he was the best
dad in all the universe.
I think I said that as exactwords.
But yeah, he was great growingup, Same kind of as Peter's.
My dad worked a ton, but Iremember on Saturdays he would
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give my mom to go, to give apass to her to go shopping
wherever she wanted, and he'dstay home with us and before she
came home we would disguiseourselves, stay home with us,
and before she came home wewould disguise ourselves so we'd
like cut out mustaches andglasses and big eyebrows, so
like she wouldn't be able tofind us when she got home.
So I mean the things my dadcame up with, they were pretty
(05:37):
good.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
What a dude that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, it was fun.
He was a great dad.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How about you, Dina?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
My best memories of my dad is just how strong of a
faith leader he was in ourhousehold.
My generation of growing up.
My dad worked, he was not homea lot, he was gone and it was
the oh wait till your fathergets home kind of generation.
But he was always so strong inhis faith and that was such a
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valuable thing for him to passalong to us and it was important
that we were involved in churchand that we prayed together.
And I think that there are alot of families now where I
think sometimes the mother hasto take the point in that
because it's not as easilyaccepted to take the point in
that because it's not as easilyaccepted.
(06:27):
I don't know whether that's aculture thing or just a time
thing or what, but I just myfather was definitely my mom was
a great woman of faith, but myfather was definitely the leader
of our household in that andstill is, like to this day,
still checks on me, checks on mykids.
That we're all you know.
Hey, did you go to church thisweek?
What'd you learn this week?
Hey, you spending some kids.
That were all you know.
Hey, did you go to church thisweek?
What'd you learn this week.
Hey, you spending some time inthe word, you know that kind of
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thing and I just love that abouthim.
Sweet, yeah, all right, so weare in week three of Honor Code
and Pastor Greg Griffith did themessage this week.
So what really spoke to youguys?
What?
What are you taking beyondSunday from this week's message?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean Greg said, like if you hear one thing, and
one thing only, it wasessentially like Jesus loves you
and died for you, amidst yourskeletons, like amidst the
things that, and that's why,because of our sin, jesus came,
he died, we're redeemed, andeven as a Christian who's grown
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up with that my whole lifehearing that, like I still need
to hear that.
And I didn't know what he wasgoing to say when he said if you
hear one thing, I thought itcould have been like to honor
your family or like somethinglike that.
And then it was just like thegospel, and I found myself being
like I needed to hear thatagain today, because, regardless
how many times I hear it, Ineed to be reminded of it.
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So that stood out to me.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I just I kind of had forgotten that part of the story
of Noah, when he had too muchwine and his boys reacted in
different ways, and I just feellike that's a choice we have
probably daily.
You hear of either someone'smistake or someone's mishap and
it's like oh, did you hear the?
(08:18):
Tea, you know, look at dad inthe cave.
Or can we cover this up tominimize the fallout, and so
I've been thinking a lot aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That was the same thing for me, really, where he
talked about that.
Now, the culture tends to beexposing flaws but honor is
covering things with dignity.
That was what's been bonkingaround in my brain, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And the way they backed up into the cave so they
didn't even look at hisnakedness Impressive.
I hope my kids would do that.
Who knows, though, yikes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean I feel like, as I mean I don't want the
listeners to all think of theirparents naked here, but I mean
that's not something that any ofus really want to see.
So I feel like that was agenius way to do this and I
could picture like my siblingsdoing this and be like oh, don't
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look at him Go backwards.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Cover your eyes.
Are you covered?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And I've always wondered, like, like, did ham
get in trouble for it, or it?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
does I?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know, I don't remember, yeah, and and I guess
, uh, I've like always wondereddid he do that and did he tell
his brothers in a rude way?
I know like that's that's whatI've heard several times with
preachers is like ham was, hewas being a, not doing it well,
and the other brothers showedhonor and that was like the
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point and it's a great point.
But I've always wondered likemaybe this was new for him and
he's like what in the world?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right so shocked.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Also, I don't know how old they were in this.
This was post-flood right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Not when you got me Okay, I don't know how old they
were in this.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
This was post-flood right, Not when you got me.
Okay, I don't know yeah.
I'm going to have to look later, yeah check it out If you're at
home, scholar this up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But like I think it's post-flood.
So if these are older bros, ifthey're older, married with kids
, well then it's like that makesa lot of sense that they ought
to be responsible with it.
If they're younger, then it'sjust like oh my goodness, that's
totally nanky.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, mass chaos.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So now Greg talked a little bit about, like, the
biblical definition of honor.
What does it mean to honorsomeone according to that
biblical definition?
What?
What did you guys think of that?
What?
What did you take away fromthat?
What spoke to you there?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you write it down ?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, I what I remember was you're treating
them as if you were treatingJesus.
Yeah, Hopefully that's theright answer.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So what was the question again?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Can you tell we've been at VBS all morning.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, clem Right.
What does it mean to honorsomeone according to the
biblical definition, where we'retreating them Holy smokes as if
we're treating our Savior?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right Right, treating them holy as if we're treating
our savior right right.
Would I gossip about my savior?
Would I tease about my savior?
Would I make jokes about mysavior?
I um, now, if he's my bestfriend, there would be some
things that I would say that areon limits to tease about.
Like, if, like.
If jesus had like really tinycalves, like I might still be
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like man.
Jesus got some chicken legs.
That bro did you see when hewas walking on water I don't
know if you would say that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't know if I believe.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I don't think you would jesus, and jesus would be
like he'd be.
He'd laugh and he'd be likethese licks kept me on the cross
and I'd be like you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Discussion over I'll go sit down now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, so, but honestly I think, yeah, it would remove
gossip, it would remove any ofthose even.
(12:30):
I think the thinking wouldchange of the people around me.
So, yeah, that's big.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I think that's really like kind of the culture shift
that Greg was talking about.
You know, we've become soaccustomed to that being
commonplace that we're nothonoring of each other.
We are, you know, chiding eachother or, you know, making light
of chicken legs or whatever itmay be.
Like I said, exposing flawsversus covering with dignity.
(12:57):
How are we doing that?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
yeah, that's, that's a heavy at the beginning of the
message.
Uh, greg was talking about like, how, like rejecting the
stereotypes on tv shows andstuff like that.
How did that hit you guys?
He talked about, like, um, howthey make dads to look so
unintelligent on TV shows.
How did that hit you?
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I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I don't feel like I understood it.
I don't feel like the showsthat I watched really portrayed
that a lot.
And maybe it was just indifferent shows.
Well, the one show that I canreally think of that I did watch
, that was like that was marriedwith children A little.
Al Bundy was like totallyclueless you know what I mean,
and that was yes, the wholefamily was like that was the
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whole family.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, pretty, dishonor each other altogether.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But I grew up a lot on.
Now this may be, you know, atab up with cosby show like that
was a family sitcom we wouldwatch and I know, I know cosby
is canceled now, which that's.
You know not to condone any ofthat, but I grew the cosby show
as a whole.
Dad was not clueless in thatshow, like he was very much an
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advocate for his kids andwanting to teach them and
discipline them when needed andlead them in the right direction
.
That's more of the style that Iremember watching and so I
didn't really relate a lot tosome of the.
I guess Homer Simpson I'vewatched the Simpsons so that one
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I could relate a little bit to.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Sure Kate.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I feel like it's a hit or miss, whether it sinks in
or not.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I don't think I could really relate too much of
it.
I remember watching Family Tiesand they were all pretty
wholesome.
The dad was kind of similar toCosby Show.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Growing Pains.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Did you watch Growing Pains too?
They were pretty wholesome too.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So yeah, and I'm like , I mean, these are the tropes
that are funny.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like if we want to show that's funny, it's like if
the dad's always got it together.
I mean Cosby did it well, Iguess I mean and dad blunders
sometimes, mom blunderssometimes, guess I mean and dad
blunders sometimes, mom blunderssometimes.
So yeah, I mean the consistent,the consistent blundering dad.
But I, I look at like mymarriage.
If there's one of us is gonnablunder, it's not gonna be
carista.
So I'm like as, as a dad with apenchant for ridiculousness,
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like I, I guess I see the pointthat greg was going to make and
like the wife is the one thatholds everything together and
the dad's getting stuck in theblinds.
you know get in here, you knowwhatever and just making dads to
look ridiculous and stupid isis something you'd want to
reject, because we do need mento be leaders in our homes and
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our churches and our communities.
Um, but I, I don't know, thedumb day.
I kind of enjoy it on tv.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Makes me feel better about myself I guess there's a
time and a place isn't that whatentertainment is supposed to do
?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
give you a little step away from reality, maybe.
I suppose yeah, if it gets afine line, though, then when it
becomes cultural and theillustration that Greg shared
with a nephew flipping his dadthe bird you know, that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
well, now, this is reality, yep.
And is that taught by what he'swatching?
I'm I'm sure it's part of it.
So, yeah, there's credence toit.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.
So, leading right into my nextquestion, how does Pastor Greg
relate the concept of honor withthe culture that we live in?
We touched base a little bit onit with what you said.
Kate.
Talked about exposing flawsversus covering with dignity.
What do you guys think of?
Where do you see honoring inour culture, Like, where do you
see the lack of it right now, ona regular basis?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Man, the news is rough lately.
It's hard for me to watch.
I watch it in small clips butit's definitely.
What can you reveal?
What's the worst you can revealabout somebody and then spill
it to the millions.
So I mean, I guess I've alwaysjust thought about, like, what's
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my sphere of influence, whichis usually my children, my
coworkers, my friends, and sosometimes it's just a comment
where you can turn theconversation in a different
direction, and sometimes that'sall.
That's all you can bring to thetable, you know, and it really
(17:53):
can turn the whole conversation.
So it's valuable, I think.
Enter in the whole conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So it's valuable, I think.
Yeah, I guess therecommendations I would give is
one do what you can to get offof social media.
Do what you can to stopwatching the news.
And if and if you, if that'sjust part of your routine of
social media and news and you'relike, nope, we can't do that.
(18:19):
This is what I do.
Watch it with a critical lensof like who is honoring on here
and what is not.
Or maybe keep an honor and adishonor tracker and tally it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And then say is this good for me?
Because if I spend more time onsocial media and the news cycle
than I do talking to peopleface to face, I know that I'm
going to see more dishonor thanactually have a chance to impact
people positively around me.
And then the other thing Iwould say is similar to what
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Kate said.
I remember teaching back in theday I taught junior, high and
high school and kids just lovedto trash on other kids, and so
did teachers.
They loved to trash on otherteachers and students at times
because it can get frustrating.
And I had a coworker namedSteve and Steve he had this
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thing he did.
And I remember teachers weretalking bad about a kid.
I'll give the kid the name Paul, and it wasn't actually Paul,
but they were just saying oh,paul's just, he's driving me
nuts in class and he's doingthis and he's doing that,
whatever.
And whenever Steve would walkup and hear people talking like
that, he would say are you guystalking about Paul?
I love Paul.
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Paul's a child of God, paul'san amazing kid and he would just
get all positive.
And then everyone had to stoptalking negative and he was
honoring in a very dishonoringsituation and people like it
became a joke.
Like well, here comes positiveSteve.
You know he's going to be allpositive again, but it's like
how awesome, right, if you'sgoing to be all positive again,
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but it's like how awesome, right, if you're going to have a
nickname.
Right.
And the reality is like, stevehas his challenges too and he's
not always positive, but inthose instances he was great at
just refocusing it and helpingus realize oh yeah, I'm being
dishonoring right now and thisis not helpful for Paul or for
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myself or anyone in thissituation.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Right, you have a thing, peter, that you talk
about before you say something.
Is it helpful?
Is it true?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, this is.
John Acuff wrote a book calledSoundtracks.
It's a very easy read.
I recommend it for anyonebecause it just reframes the way
that we think.
We have a tendency to ruminatenegative things in our mind.
That's the natural thing to do.
You can have 20 people say, wow, you were great today, and one
(20:46):
person say I didn't like the wayyou talked to me.
And that's what we're going tothink about all day long.
Oh, they didn't like the waythey talked to me.
They don't like me?
Oh no.
And if it's someone importantto me, like, are they not going
to talk to?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
me anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are they going to affect my life?
Oh no, and we'll repeat thosethings in our mind.
And whether we're saying themout loud or repeating things in
our mind, the questions thatSoundtracks tells you to ask
yourself is this true, is ithelpful, is it kind?
And if the answer is no to atleast two of those, then remove
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that statement that you'resaying out loud or saying in
your head.
Replace it with somethingthat's true and as Christians,
we can replace it with thingslike I'm a child of the Most
High King, I am loved andredeemed by Jesus Christ.
You know all those statementsand repeat those.
What would that do to ourselvesand the people around us if
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that's what we were fillingourselves up with?
versus what the media wants usto hear.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right, exposing those flaws.
That's a much better line ofthought.
Yeah, can you think of a timewhere you had an experience
where you covered something withhonor or you changed that the
conversation or the dynamic, oryou had a personal experience
with the situation?
I can.
(22:09):
For me, I there's someone that'sclose to me in my life that it
has struggled with alcoholismfor a long time, and so there
gets to be the dynamic of theirinteractions with other people
where it turns a lot of negativecomments about oh well, I think
they were drunk again, or thisinfluenced how they interacted
in this situation, and thatbecomes the dynamic that's
(22:32):
talked about, and that's not allof who that person is.
And so for me, that's somethingwhere I intentionally have to be
cautious what I say in relationto that, because it is a
recognizable part of thatperson's life and how myself, my
family, my friends interactswith that person.
But how can we still behonoring to them?
(22:55):
Because that is not all of whothey are.
They are still a child of God,they are still someone we love
and care about, they are stillsomeone that we want the best
for, and so that's what Ithought of when Greg asked that
question, kind of how does thishit in your personal life?
And that's what I thought of,how I tried to be honoring of
(23:18):
that person in those situations,even when it may be a struggle
to talk about it in a positiveway.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, I remember being a teacher and every year
some kids were easier to workwith than others.
That's just how it is everyyear.
But one thing that helped mewas remembering how God's
mercies are new every morning.
So, no matter what happened theday before, we started fresh
(23:45):
every morning.
So I would say good morning andI would not.
You know it was new.
Whatever happened yesterday wasdone.
We're moving forward, and so itwas just like a small way to
start our relationship againeach morning, and the right
track.
So that's what helped me getthrough.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
First off, this is a question that really sets us up
to look great.
Thank you for honoring us withthis question, because I think I
expose more often than coverpeople, and so, yeah, I just
want to admit that first, acouple ways.
One, when I go out to eat, Itry to honor my servers by
(24:29):
learning their names, byspeaking kindly, by thanking
them, even maybe ask a couplequestions, hear a little bit of
their story, while trying toallow them to still do their job
efficiently.
And then another way that I tryto do this is, I mean,
fatherhood.
I talked about how my kids Ihave a seven, nine and eleven
(24:51):
year old and they can be at eachother's throats constantly.
You know, like someone bentonwas telling somebody I'm going
to camp this summer, and thegirls got all excited.
They're like, how long is thecamp?
Is it a week?
And he's like, oh yeah, I thinkso.
And my, the girls were likewhat?
They're so excited becausetheir brother's gonna be gone
for a week and he's actuallymight only be like four or five
(25:13):
days, and they're like, oh,disappointing.
And so it's just this constanttheme of like the kids just not
dishonor, just dishonor eachother constantly.
And at night, I always try topray for the kid I'm with, as
well as their siblings, andthank god for their siblings, um
.
So they hear that, that I thankgod for them, that I'm their
(25:36):
daddy and um, and also for theirsiblings.
This over and over and overagain, hoping that at some point
it'll sink in it will.
We'll all come together.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It will.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You're in the thick of it, Yep you are.
So how can we reclaim honor in adishonored culture, like, how
do we intentionally spend timebuilding each other up?
Intentionally spend timebuilding each other up?
Or, you know, can you think ofways that you are honoring in
your family, in your friendgroup, like Greg talked about,
(26:09):
how he tries to be intentionalabout, like, how he talks about
his spouse or how he talks, youknow, about his children, just
like you were just talking,peter.
What are ways you can think ofthat we in our daily lives can
try to reclaim honor in that way?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, the right answer is always Jesus.
Right, I think?
Especially in the culture, likewhat's happening around the
world, you know, are there goingto be wars?
People get worked up and theyput others down when they think
their ideas are right.
(26:48):
How can this group be doingthis?
This is the right way, and it'sreally hard to go down that
path if you're keeping your eyesfocused on Jesus.
We have no idea.
You know what's going to happenpolitically, but we do know
what's going to happenspiritually, and Jesus has laid
it all out.
We know how the story ends andit's never divisive to show
(27:14):
people the love of Jesus.
So is that the right answer?
Bingo, jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's the right answer, that's right.
Sunday school teachers all overthe place answer Bingo Jesus.
That's the right answer, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sunday school teachers all over the place
Rejoice, you did it.
Yeah, I think we've givenexamples of this right and if we
see people created in the imageof God, that changes the way
that we treat them.
That changes the way that wetreat them and um, and also to
(27:49):
don't like I've other examplesor ways to say this would be
like to know that everybody issomebody's baby, right.
And so when I'm driving by, mykids ask me questions about the,
the homeless man who's askingfor things on the side of the
street, instead of just beinglike, well, you, you know, they
made some bad decisions and nowthey're on the street and
they're homeless and blah, blah,blah, is to like, think about
it, like, okay, this issomebody's baby who birthed this
(28:12):
child and really believed andhope for the best in that kid
and maybe prayed for them everynight.
And, um, so, seeing people thatway and, uh, then, talking to
my kids that way to notdisparage the people, even
people that may be rude to sayyou know what?
(28:32):
Who knows what's going on withthem today or with them in their
life, and trying to hold peoplein a better light or give them
a benefit of the doubt, evenwhen they don't do that to you,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
One way I know I really tried to do this with my
kids when they were younger washow we talked about teachers,
because my kids would come homeand you're both teachers, so you
know my kids would come home oh, I hate this teacher, or this
teacher's so mean, or thisteacher's so this, whatever it
is, and I would really focus onOK, well, that's not all of who
(29:10):
they are and what's theintention of whatever behavior
it is that you don't like thisteacher's so mean because
they're cracking down on this intheir classroom.
Well, why do you think that is?
And trying to get them tounderstand that people don't go
into teaching to discipline kids.
They go into teaching becausethey want to help kids, they
(29:30):
want to empower them andencourage them, and so your
teacher wants this.
But they need to do X, y, z inorder to make the classroom run
more efficiently, in order toaccomplish your goals as a team,
in order to get everyone on thesame page and I just remember
trying to really teach themhonoring their teacher in the
(29:53):
position, even if they didn'tlike this particular rule or
whatever it was, and sometimesit went over really well and
sometimes it was like a leadballoon, but it's like all
parenting.
Yeah, you never know what'sgoing to stick.
When so Greg mentioned theBible verse Romans 12.10, which
says be devoted to one anotherin love, honor one another above
(30:16):
yourselves, how does that versespeak to you?
Or do you guys have a time inyour life where that really
played a part or you referencedthat verse or anything along
that?
Romans 12, 10, sorry, bedevoted to one another in love,
honor one another aboveyourselves.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, when I think of devoted be devoted to one
another in love I think aboutlike really being for them and
being having an intentionaldrive to be present, be present,
(31:07):
and for me this is um I talkedabout it last time I was on this
podcast.
I believe like, uh, there aretimes that I am not energized.
Naturally, I'm a very energizedand present person, but there
are times when I'm not.
And uh, and I talked about how Isaw a buddy of mine, an old
buddy, at a basketball game andI was just not feeling, I was
just tired and whatever, and Ifelt bad about it and that's
(31:29):
okay, it's okay to not always beenergized and on.
But then it's like, well, Ishould do something about that
when I do feel it like, and so Icalled him and we had a
fantastic conversation and I wasso glad I did.
Next time I see him, and we hada fantastic conversation and I
was so glad I did.
Next time I see him, we'regonna laugh and joke and
whatever, um, and so like,intentionally following up to
(31:50):
like see and notice the peoplearound me, uh, and if I'm not
feeling it, it's okay.
But uh, then to do something,um later or just acknowledge hey
, sorry, I wasn't too energizedtoday, I'm just tired, because
people get it, they feel it too.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, yeah, I just think about you know, there's
certain people.
When I'm around them, it'salmost like they're a breath of
fresh air and the atmospherefeels light and I walk away
feeling better about who I amand that's the kind of person I
want to be like, because that'sa joy to be around, and so
(32:29):
that's what I think of.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, that's nice.
So, as we wrap up today, do youguys have any final thoughts?
From this week three of honorcode Got one more week in this
series.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I'm excited for the final week, getting into
the different generationsBecause, like, that is something
that kind of drives me nuts,especially with the younger
generations.
I can kind of rip on my owngeneration because it's my
people, you know, but like whenwe rip on the younger
generations and we feel hopelessabout it, I'm excited.
Or the other way, like, oh,those boomers, it's like, oh, my
(33:06):
goodness.
I mean each one of these is achild of the most high king.
So I'm excited to hear whatZach brings with that talk.
But yeah, I really appreciatethe way that Greg approached it
and the skeletons and Jesusloves us regardless of that was
good.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I kind of want to forget about that skeleton,
but it is a visual I'll rememberand I will remember him
choosing to take out the cross.
That was powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, if you didn't watch the sermon or weren't
there to witness it, you shouldgo back and watch the recording,
because there was a visualelement of it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, there was Skeletons in our closet, yep.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
God takes all that and changes it, reflects it to
the cross.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
There, you go yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So, Peter, do you have a song for us?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
today.
Not a song today, but I thinkthat Clem oh, Clem has a parting
.
Would like to close us out.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
All right, I'm all for it.
Clem Hoggard, right here onBeyond Sunday.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Clem Hoggard, everybody.
I was born and raised inAlabama.
I had 12 siblings, and boy werewe poor, and sometimes it was
easy to get angry with oursiblings.
But I've learned through thismessage on Sunday that I need to
honor, even if I feel like agoner being chased by a moose in
the holler, that I need tohonor.
Even if I feel like a gonerbeing chased by a moose in the
holler, I need to honor.
(34:25):
And so you too, you can honor,be devoted to one another, as
Roman said, and keep living likewhat Sunday you heard.
What you heard on Sundaymatters Monday and the rest of
the week.
Go get them.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And I'll see you next Sunday.
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