June 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Julie and Roger join Dina to talk about the power of honor across generations and why it matters in building strong, faith-filled communities. From encouragement and mentorship to seeking wisdom and showing up for one another, they explore how honoring both young and old can multiply impact and bring us closer together.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, a podcast from King of
Kings, where we dive a littlebit more into our sermon series
and see what we're taking BeyondSunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I amecstatic to have some guests
that I haven't seen for a coupleweeks now.
Go ahead, introduce yourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director atKing of Kings.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm Roger Timer, one of the pastors.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's so nice to have you here.
So at King of Kings as a church, we just finished two weeks of
VBS and all three of us havebeen in kids' ministry early on
in our church careers, so true,so, I'm sure, plenty of VBS
experience.
So my question for you is whatis one of your favorite VBS
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memories?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I think, probably for me, both as a child going to
VBS and then as an adult,participating in VBS is just
watching the kids sing withtheir whole hearts and do the
actions and just be so intopraising God, and I remember
loving that when I was a kid too.
Just a lot of joy there.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I also have the picture of the group energy and
from their perspective, it wasone of the most celebrated rock
concert live events of theirlife.
Yes, it's the real deal andit's all getting a focus towards
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Jesus and their hearts are soopen for it.
But my favorite moments are allthe crazy stunts that happened,
because I got to be part ofthem, a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I hear stories.
It happened because I got to bepart of them.
You did a lot of them.
I hear stories yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I wonder how many gallons of sweat you've poured
into various costumes over theyears.
It's horrible to think about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I can't tell you some stupid, stupid things I can't
tell you.
But we got more importantthings I'm going to put on.
My maturity hat More importantthings than me telling you
stories.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I don't know I kind of like the stories you guys
talk about the energy in theroom.
My favorite memory is one yearthere was a little boy who was a
third grader and in one of thestations they said something
like you can read more aboutthis story in your Bible at home
.
Like you can check that out.
And this little boy went to theleader and said I don't have a
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Bible at home.
And so the leader came to meand said, hey, can we get this
child a Bible?
And I'm like absolutely Go andget a Bible, take it to him.
It's closing.
Kids are jumping, hoppingaround, the music is going.
Everyone in the room Like that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Everyone in the room, like that year I think.
We had, you know, 400 kids inthe room and this little boy sat
down and opened that Bibleamidst all the craziness and
just started looking through itand I just I took out my phone
and took a picture, because thatwas just like oh my gosh, the
power of the word of God youknow, here.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
he was asked for it and oh that's so great, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And the power of the community.
We do not grow in our faith asa solo sport and VBS really
emphasizes that.
It gives time for kids to bepart of a group and hear other
kids and their faith stories asa shepherd or the little guide
takes them along, faith storiesas the shepherd or the little
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guide takes them along, and justthe whole community that
happens in such a short span oftime reminds us as a church, hey
, we need each other, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And I think it's something that's very
intergenerational, which we'rekind of talking about in our
sermon series and you talked,julie, about how you have
memories when you were growingup.
There's so many of ourvolunteers now that grew up with
VBS and so they continue tocome back and pour into the kids
.
That's so great Well, jumpinginto that intergenerational idea
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.
This week was week four of ourHonor Code series and it was
talking about differentgenerations.
What stuck out to you guys?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this message?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, I really appreciate an overview of
generational thinking.
It's easy for us to think ofour biases and differences in
terms of cultural lines,geographic language, those kinds
of divisions.
But more subtle are some of theage divisions and in the recent
age, I might say, generationalgroupings, because that has
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become a science last about 30years.
Back from the book Strauss andHowe, generations to Generations
, which they made me read duringmy doctoral studies.
I'm so smart on this stuff, butit is fascinating and as we do
that, we do it with a purpose,going back to words that they
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use to exegete the culture, sowe can better understand how to
love one another and, in thiscase, honor from generation to
generation.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think when I got done listening to that message,
I was just reminded again aboutthe incredible power of the
words that you speak.
And it costs just as much tosay something encouraging as to
say something discouraging.
And everyone, everyone can useencouragement.
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And how are we using our wordsto encourage?
I mean speaking as someone nowwho's in an older generation.
How am I using my words toencourage and empower the
generations coming behind me?
It costs nothing but time andit can make such a difference in
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young adults' lives.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes, very true.
That's really what my brain wasjust swimming with.
Oh gosh, how big of an impactdo we have?
And I'm somebody that's workedin kids ministry, has worked in
student ministry, like I try torecruit and cheer on other
adults to pour into these, butit's very easy in my day-to-day
life to forget how I, just asone individual, impacts people.
(06:17):
All right, so Pastor ZachZender started out this message
with a little breakdown of thedifferent generations.
So my question is whatgeneration are you from and what
stereotypical trait of thatgeneration do you like about?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
your group so I'm from Gen X and I think Gen X
always prides ourselves in beinglike one of the more low
maintenance generations.
So now here I go.
I'm gonna say something that'snot particularly positive, but I
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feel like this it kind of likethe boomers just got a lot of
attention and I felt likemillennials got a lot of
attention and I think felt likemillennials got a lot of
attention and I think Gen Xactually is a smaller, like the
window to be a Gen X is smallerbut just kind of got skipped
over.
But I feel like overall we'rekind of that generation that
puts their nose to thegrindstone and just gets the job
done, but maybe everybody feelsthat way.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No, I think you hit it.
And actually one of the thingsthings we didn't talk about that
but I found fascinating in intaking some graduate level
courses in generational thinkingis that at any one time there's
a constellation of fourgenerations and they go a
dominant recessive, dominantrecessive.
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There you and you can see thathappening with the boomers, the
millennials, the Xers.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yes, are the recessive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It doesn't mean that you're less than, but they don't
get quite the attention.
Yes, and we had to watch moviesthat actually reflected the
generation, and the movie thatwe watched for Generation X was
a Ted.
Bill and Ted's ExcellentAdventure that was one of them,
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but there was another one, theBreakfast.
Club, that's what I was justgoing to say, the Breakfast Club
Any, john.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Hughes movie.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I feel like that's very our generation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's going to come to me it will.
When it does you just shout itout?
Our listeners want to know.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm laughing about it right now.
But anyway yeah, I think you'reright there.
I'm a boomer and we were a veryidealistic generation.
And I appreciate that because Iwas there in the 60s and the
summer of love during my teenageyears and all the idealism and
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the counterculture.
But actually such a dominantsized group yes, the whole
society of America began toidealize what we were idealizing
.
Now we had a tendency to bevery idealistic, but in terms of
getting everything done thatwas irrelevant.
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Everyone just kind of had topander to us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
No, we did, get stuff done, you did.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, we were high-performing.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
A lot of boomer presidents.
No Gen X presidents.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's a population thing too.
That's boomer presidents no,gen X presidents no, because
it's a population thing too.
That's true, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm a Gen Xer and I love the survivability that Gen
Xers have.
We're like we didn't wearsunscreen and we didn't use car
seats and we drank from hosesand we survived.
We would leave the house and wedidn't get kidnapped and we'd
be gone all day and nobody knewwhere we were.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Free range those kids .
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was just we survived.
So true, that's what I like.
So, as Zach transitioned intothe next part of his message he
talked about, he had two thingsthat were tips for the older
generation to think about whenthey're communicating with the
younger generation, and then twotips for the younger generation
speaking to the oldergeneration.
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So the first ones were fromolder to younger, and the first
one he said this is all the Psin his sentence push past
preferences to propel the nextgeneration.
And he asked the question whatpreference is God calling you to
lay aside in order to greaterpropel those younger than you?
What are your thoughts on thatidea of pushing past the
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preferences to propel the nextgeneration, or what is God
asking you to set aside?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, one of the common characteristics as a
follower of Jesus is to be notjust to know him, but to be
inhabited by him and hisattitude towards people, which
had the capacity to understand,and by understanding people, it
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gives opportunity to know.
What is it that they might needNow?
Encouraging words is anexcellent example of that, but
in some cases it might be evenmore specifically like
validation, and there might bepeople in generational profiles
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that are beneath you or notyounger than you that simply
need the validation that, hey,you got what it takes.
Now, that's also a quote that'sbeen widely said.
Fathers need to say that to thenext generation after them,
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particularly their sons, and sayyou got what it takes.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I think about and when Samuel, the prophet
Samuel, was talking to God aboutwho the next king of Israel is
going to be and God reminded him.
You know, I don't look atpeople the way that you look at
people.
Man looks at the outside, godlooks at the heart.
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And I think sometimes when welook at people of a different
generation and don't maybeunderstand what the wrapping on
the gift is all about the giftis still in there and we really
need to take the time to kind ofmaybe look beyond the things
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that puzzle us, to the heart ofthe person inside of that.
And so I'm just thinking a lotabout how do I really look at
the heart of a person andsometimes I think these
generational differences,there's just some fear attached
to it.
So even you know, I'm 55 andthere's stuff I don't understand
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about technology and it justfeels intimidating to me.
And when things seem scary ordifferent, there's just I don't
understand about technology andit just feels intimidating to me
.
And when things seem scary ordifferent, there's just a
tendency to push against it alittle bit.
So I'm just trying to recognizein myself, when I see something
that's unfamiliar, not to pushagainst it but to be curious and
to move forward.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I don't know if you guys are familiar with
Simon Sinek, the author andspeaker.
I love a lot of what he talksabout.
But he talks a lot about themillennial generation as they
got into the workforce, and bothboomers and Gen Xers would
judge millennial coworkers of ohthey're lazy, oh they don't
want to work their full 40 hoursall there and they just have a
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different work style.
Like they just function in adifferent way.
They grew up with differentroutines and so they function
and structure their day andtheir work time in different
ways than what a boomer or a GenX or just someone different
than them may do.
And I really, like he like,would almost get angry in some
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of the podcasts I would hear himin talking about.
Millennials are not lazy.
The idea is that they're lazyand they're not lazy, they just
work differently.
They function differently.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Dina, that's such a very good illustration.
And if I were to put myselfback a few years back, when I
had hair down to my shouldersand it was a statement of being
countercultural, and thegeneration above me said you
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long hair, yippee, yippee, yeahof me, said you long-haired,
friggin' hippie.
And it was one of those socialcustoms that was becoming a
barrier that you just used tocharacterize stereotype.
If you would that generationbehind you and that's what
Zach's talking about let's pushaside, let's understand what
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some of those biases are, sothat we can answer the calling
that God's given us to speakinto other people's lives, the
honor that God wants to givethem through us.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So the second point that he talked about for the
older generation to the youngergeneration is to speak life and
courage.
What are your thoughts there?
You've already kind of touchedbase on, you know, speaking
positively to them.
I just it's not just words,it's actions too.
That's what I kept thinking.
It's not just words, it'sactions.
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It's how I make assumptionsabout that generation, and then
how do I build them up, evenwhen I may not fully understand
their motives, in the same waythat my brain works, or yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think one of the things that struck me in the
message was just talking aboutthe challenges that our younger
generations face, things thatare unique to them, that we
never experienced, or maybeexperienced in a different way.
Every generation has theirchallenges, I know, but I think
like about my youngest son, whowas born a few months after 9-11
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and then graduated from highschool during the COVID epidemic
.
That's really tough and growingup requires courage.
And how awesome is it when youhave someone who comes alongside
you and says, like you said,roger, you've got what it takes,
or I'm walking with you, andthen don't just say it but
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actually take time, which isreally our most precious
commodity.
I think during the message Iwas thinking about, julie, what
are more intentional ways thatyou could reach out to the
generations beneath you?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah about the fact that the generational
characteristics, personalities,are largely formed by some of
those sociological eventshappening, you know, in the era
of their formative years ordeveloping years, whatever.
So it helps us betterunderstand and sometimes to be
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able to speak honor into theirlives means to validate them in
ways that we can help step asideand make a path of success for
them.
Now, one of the things that Ireally enjoy doing is I hire a
young man from our church tocome on over and help me with
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various yard work or differentbuilding projects and stuff like
that, and it gives me a chanceto actually coach him a little
bit about work and hard work,and also even to the point of
saying, okay, is this, okay,let's look at what you've just
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done there, Is that acceptable?
Yes, and he'll say yeah, and Igo no.
I'm going to tell you why you'vejust done there is, is that
acceptable?
Yes, and he'll say yeah, and Igo no, it's not.
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And actually, that is a kind of a loving thing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's a loving thing and said because you're gonna
have, you know, someday, a bossand someday you're gonna own
your own company and if thathappens, you're not going to get
that customer back.
And here's why, and and also,then we would joke about it,
laugh about it, but what he got,the clear picture and what he
needed to know is that someoneis genuinely on his team and
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wants to see him have successand is willing to for me not to
do it all myself, right, but totake the time to let him do so
that he can have success andhelp him fashion that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and mentoring really is a gift and that's what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, and I'm also getting very cheap labor.
Don't tell him.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, I'm paying him, okay, but you are investing in
him, and that's something Ithink that we have kind of lost
sight of in society.
I feel like when I grew up,there were a lot of adults that
I feel like poured into me.
They were the neighbors in myneighborhood or leaders at my
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church or even differentrelationships that I had with
adults at church I mean atschool and I feel like sometimes
now there's such a barrier tojust investing in other people's
children.
Both of my daughters, when theywere young, when they were in
their teenage years, had theirsmall group leader at church.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That really just poured into them.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And still to this day , one of them.
She was there for a time andthen she kind of grew out of it
and that was fine.
She has fond memories, but mymiddle daughter just reached out
to hers yesterday to talk aboutlife and we were just talking
27.
So this was 10 years ago ormore than that that they were
spending time together, but theimpact that that had, and the
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amazing thing about it is nowthat daughter has developed a
relationship with some teenagersthat she knows just kind of
through a circumstance that arefoster children right now and
she is just pouring into thosekids.
She'll take those kids just outfor a meal or just go spend time
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with those kids where she'sjust an outside adult, like they
have enough space, adultsadvocating for them, you know,
trying to help them with thesituation that they find
themselves in, but this is justsomebody coming and loving on
them and spending time in themand like purposefully, she said,
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I remember what that meant tome even though she wasn't in the
same personal situation and isnow trying to turn around and
pay it back to someone else.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So it was an interesting question If we kind
of took Zach's encouraging wordand said who is it that we would
identify in our sphere ofinfluence and be intentional
about opening up opportunitiesto develop a more intentional
kind of relationship ormentoring.
And, Julie, I've watched you dothat because you've done that
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with some younger gals in a veryintentional way that also
brought spiritual breakthrough.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's just a blessing both ways
right.
So just being able to heartheir perspectives, seeing them
as they're coming to understandnew things about God, just
enjoying who God made them to beas a person, it's been
extremely meaningful for me, soI've been grateful for those
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opportunities.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Now, Julie, did you ever participate in MomCo?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I did not.
What used to be?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Mops?
I did not either, and so thisis something I'm still learning
about.
But MomCo sets up basicallylike mom mentors with their
program where it's moms thathave been through your stage
that help mentor younger momsthrough that right here that we
work with in our building, youknow that uses our facilities.
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That, yeah, is honoring thenext generation or a generation
younger than them, notnecessarily the next generation
like children, but a generationyounger than them, by trying to
support, encourage, by speakinglife and courage, just like
Zach's.
You know challenge, so that'sgreat.
You know challenge, so that'sgreat, all right.
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So then pastor Zachtransitioned into advice for the
younger generation inrelationship to the older
generation, and his openingadvice was stop wasting your
money on door dash.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I wouldn't stand up and say, oh, it's obvious.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So, true.
I do think that's a verygenerational thing.
Yes, a hundred percent.
No, his real advice number onewas receive their wisdom.
What did that make you think of?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, our culture sometimes does not, and we have
to understand.
Our American culture has itsthough it's a fabric of many
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different nationalities blendedhas its own unique take on
elderly, because some culturesaround the world, the older you
get, the wiser you get and themore prominent your voice
becomes.
Perhaps not so in America, it'snot as readily seen.
There's a kind of a tippingpoint after which the person may
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not be perceived to be as wise,but the point is true wisdom is
being open to receiving wisdom.
And can we take the time toactually, in reverse, ask that
question that I mentionedearlier who is it that you're
identifying and beingintentional with to pour into?
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Well, if we were to reverse it,who are you identifying or
being intentional to say, youknow, I think I need to slow
life down a little bit and askthat person some things about
life that they have to sharewith me.
That might be really beneficial.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I love that, roger.
I was thinking about somethingsimilar.
So I just heard this on apodcast and I can't say who the
person.
I can't remember who the personwas exactly, but he was saying
how important it is from us tomove from kind of looking at
people who have platforms topeople who are pillars.
And he said oftentimes peoplewho are pillars in their
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community have lived a long lifeof faithfulness to God, to
other people, and they actuallymay not be people who are
shouting from the rooftops hey,look at me, look at me.
But I think the youngergeneration would be wise to slow
down and look at people who'velived really fruitful lives in
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relationship to God and otherpeople over a long period of
time and be inquisitive and askthem about what that's been like
, and they would just learn somuch.
So I just think it's slowingdown and asking questions of
people who might not be sayinghey, let me tell you all about
myself.
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I've got this amazing platform.
Here's what you need to know.
It's looking for those quieterpeople who are just absolutely
rock solid.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Can I share a little bit about being old?
Yes, I got you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Older.
What exactly?
Older Age challenged orchronologically challenged?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
No chronologically superior.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
There you go.
That's right, that was the word.
I found it too.
Yes, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yes, so I'm chronologically superior, but I
have found that in my morerecent chronologically
superiority years I am much morereticent not to talk or share
my perspective, as I was 20years ago.
I find it much more helpful forother people if I just am quiet
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, unless they are reallyinterested or really ask, and so
that's kind of a word ofencouragement that sometimes we
really need to ask.
And here's a classic point Ihad just an amazing encounter
recently in Africa with arefugee people group,
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face-to-face with a thousandrefugees, and it's an amazing
story, and someone asked me alittle bit about it and I told a
paragraph and then I kind ofwatched the person switch the
topic to something else and Isaid, well, that's okay, but I
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cause I don't have a need tokeep going, like maybe I once
would have.
But I'm wondering if maybe thatperson might have said asked a
little bit more, because therewere some things that they might
have said ask a little bit morebecause there were some things
that they might have reallybenefited from.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, so then Zach said number two was expressing
your gratitude and grace, that'sfrom the younger generation to
the older generation.
This is one, I think, that iseasy to forget.
I mean, we talk about how muchthe boomers did, you know, or
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how much my parents did, or youknow, whatever my parents,
whatever generation they may be,you know as kids grow up and
learn, oh, you know, they'vedone this for our family, or
they sacrificed this, or theydid this for our community or
for our church, and I think it'sreally easy to forget to thank
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them for that and it takes suchlittle time, but don't you think
it means so much?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean right, we were talking about how much
encouragement means, Gratitudemeans a lot to speaking as a as
a mom Right.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know more, I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right.
He talked about kind of thetransfer of generational wealth.
Well, there's a lot of ways tobe wealthy and so just to
encourage people, even if youdon't have a lot of cash to pass
on to your children, somedayyou can pass on something that's
just of so much more value,right, discipling your children
in the Lord.
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That's going to pay eternalbenefits that go far beyond
whatever money that you may giveto them, just the richness of a
healthy and happy family life,parent-child relationship, so
just being grateful for whatyou've received.
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Nothing's perfect, but I think alot of us can say we had
parents who, at least some ofthe time a lot of us can say we
had parents who, at least someof the time, did well and wanted
what was best for us.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And can we find that and say thank you?
I've recently had the blessing,the challenge, the life
transition of helping myfather-in-law by going to the
nursing home, and a big part ofthat, with my wife Cheryl and I
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in our conversations with him,was taking time for me,
especially to affirm him for hispersonal impact to me, because
these are the crowning years ofhis life, and to remind him that
some of his personalitycharacteristics of speaking joy
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into people's lives, just beinginterested in people lives, just
being interested in people, andthose kinds of things that gave
him a sense of people feelingconnected to him when he was
around.
He needed to hear that againwhen he was going to the next
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transition that, just likeyou've done for me, dad, in so
many ways, I of see what God'sup to, because when we're
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thankful we're usuallycelebrating something that God's
doing or has done.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
This piece made me think of two weeks ago, when it
was Father's Day and Pastor Gregwas talking about doing a
special prayer for fathers andhe had all the dads stand up and
ask people to go lay a hand ontheir father.
My son, who's 18 and justgraduated high school, was in
the service that day and he saidthat near him there was an
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older—he didn't say how old, howchronologically superior—but an
older gentleman who stood up,and he didn't have any family
around him, but he stood up as afather.
And my son went over and puthands and prayed on him and he
said when he finished this guywas tearing up and turned to him
and said thank you.
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And we were talking about itafterwards and I was like what
an amazing way to honor thatgeneration for you.
Like he knows, for whateverreason his family is not here,
whether they don't live here,they don't come to church with
him.
You know, when he stood up heknew that wasn't going to be.
You know that case.
He's still receiving a prayerbecause we're praying over all
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the fathers in the room.
You know what I mean.
But just to have this strangercome over who's a younger
generation that I'm sure thereare a lot of stereotypes about.
You know prayer and where theirfaith life is, and just the
boldness to go over and stepthat up, and he's telling me
this story and I'm tearing uptalking about it now, like I'm
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just like, oh, oh yeah, it's sobeautiful, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh yeah, it's so beautiful yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Love it.
I just really thought that wasa.
I kept thinking of that thisweek when Zach was talking about
, you know, honoring thatgeneration and I was like, oh,
you know what?
Not all hope is lost.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes, that's so sweet, Dina yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It really is.
Yeah, I think you know, justthinking about this message and
the scripture verse that sayslife and death is in the tongue.
How are we using our words?
Are we sharing life or are webringing something way worse?
And, man, when I think aboutthe words that I speak, I want
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to be representing Jesus himself, who is full of life, and it
was just a great reminder.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So I think we're probably to that point where
you're kind of wrapping up.
We are, I'm getting the wrap-uplook from Dina.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You're always so kind .
Anyway, this is a job you cantransition into.
Roger.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I love the topic of honor and it kind of caused me
to ask the question you know God, what are you asking?
And in the very heart of thecommandment, to love God is to
honor him.
And the way we honor God, theway we love God, is by loving
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others and honoring others.
That's just kind of how itworks, and the beautiful thing
about the Christian faith isthat the power to do that comes
from God.
Seeing how faulted and short wecome, up and taking action
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himself because he was the onethat took his robe of honor,
laid it aside, came and took upa clothing of shame of our own
sin and took it on himself andthen was ridiculed.
Jesus ridiculed as he bore ourshame on himself.
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Why?
So that we might be honoredwith his forgiveness and life in
him.
And after we've received thatfrom a God that would honor us
so much, my goodness, there'spower in that how we can honor
one another across generations,up generations, down generations
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, across backyard fences,national boundaries or language
boundaries.
So what a blessing it is to bein honor culture, because God's
the one who honored us so.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, I really enjoyed this series and I really
enjoyed.
I wrote down the quote thatPastor Zach shared towards the
end of this message, and it wasfrom Sadie Robertson Huff, and
it says when we are a generationthat honors, encourages and
lifts each other up, old andyoung, we don't just carry the
gospel, we multiply it.
I was like whoa, that one'sgood.
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Well, thank you guys for beinghere.
I am excited for your nextvisit, whenever it is on our
schedule, because we'll bejumping into a new sermon
message next time Sounds greatyou.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, a podcast from King of
Kings, where we dive a littlebit more into our sermon series
and see what we're taking BeyondSunday.
My name is Dena Newsom and I amecstatic to have some guests
that I haven't seen for a coupleweeks now.
Go ahead, introduce yourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director atKing of Kings.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm Roger Timer, one of the pastors.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's so nice to have you here.
So at King of Kings as a church, we just finished two weeks of
VBS and all three of us havebeen in kids' ministry early on
in our church careers, so true,so, I'm sure, plenty of VBS
experience.
So my question for you is whatis one of your favorite VBS
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memories?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I think, probably for me, both as a child going to
VBS and then as an adult,participating in VBS is just
watching the kids sing withtheir whole hearts and do the
actions and just be so intopraising God, and I remember
loving that when I was a kid too.
Just a lot of joy there.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I also have the picture of the group energy and
from their perspective, it wasone of the most celebrated rock
concert live events of theirlife.
Yes, it's the real deal andit's all getting a focus towards
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Jesus and their hearts are soopen for it.
But my favorite moments are allthe crazy stunts that happened,
because I got to be part ofthem, a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I hear stories.
It happened because I got to bepart of them.
You did a lot of them.
I hear stories yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I wonder how many gallons of sweat you've poured
into various costumes over theyears.
It's horrible to think about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I can't tell you some stupid, stupid things I can't
tell you.
But we got more importantthings I'm going to put on.
My maturity hat More importantthings than me telling you
stories.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I don't know I kind of like the stories you guys
talk about the energy in theroom.
My favorite memory is one yearthere was a little boy who was a
third grader and in one of thestations they said something
like you can read more aboutthis story in your Bible at home
.
Like you can check that out.
And this little boy went to theleader and said I don't have a
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Bible at home.
And so the leader came to meand said, hey, can we get this
child a Bible?
And I'm like absolutely Go andget a Bible, take it to him.
It's closing.
Kids are jumping, hoppingaround, the music is going.
Everyone in the room Like that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Everyone in the room, like that year I think.
We had, you know, 400 kids inthe room and this little boy sat
down and opened that Bibleamidst all the craziness and
just started looking through itand I just I took out my phone
and took a picture, because thatwas just like oh my gosh, the
power of the word of God youknow, here.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
he was asked for it and oh that's so great, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And the power of the community.
We do not grow in our faith asa solo sport and VBS really
emphasizes that.
It gives time for kids to bepart of a group and hear other
kids and their faith stories asa shepherd or the little guide
takes them along, faith storiesas the shepherd or the little
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guide takes them along, and justthe whole community that
happens in such a short span oftime reminds us as a church, hey
, we need each other, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And I think it's something that's very
intergenerational, which we'rekind of talking about in our
sermon series and you talked,julie, about how you have
memories when you were growingup.
There's so many of ourvolunteers now that grew up with
VBS and so they continue tocome back and pour into the kids
.
That's so great Well, jumpinginto that intergenerational idea
(03:57):
.
This week was week four of ourHonor Code series and it was
talking about differentgenerations.
What stuck out to you guys?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this message?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, I really appreciate an overview of
generational thinking.
It's easy for us to think ofour biases and differences in
terms of cultural lines,geographic language, those kinds
of divisions.
But more subtle are some of theage divisions and in the recent
age, I might say, generationalgroupings, because that has
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become a science last about 30years.
Back from the book Strauss andHowe, generations to Generations
, which they made me read duringmy doctoral studies.
I'm so smart on this stuff, butit is fascinating and as we do
that, we do it with a purpose,going back to words that they
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use to exegete the culture, sowe can better understand how to
love one another and, in thiscase, honor from generation to
generation.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think when I got done listening to that message,
I was just reminded again aboutthe incredible power of the
words that you speak.
And it costs just as much tosay something encouraging as to
say something discouraging.
And everyone, everyone can useencouragement.
(05:33):
And how are we using our wordsto encourage?
I mean speaking as someone nowwho's in an older generation.
How am I using my words toencourage and empower the
generations coming behind me?
It costs nothing but time andit can make such a difference in
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young adults' lives.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes, very true.
That's really what my brain wasjust swimming with.
Oh gosh, how big of an impactdo we have?
And I'm somebody that's workedin kids ministry, has worked in
student ministry, like I try torecruit and cheer on other
adults to pour into these, butit's very easy in my day-to-day
life to forget how I, just asone individual, impacts people.
(06:17):
All right, so Pastor ZachZender started out this message
with a little breakdown of thedifferent generations.
So my question is whatgeneration are you from and what
stereotypical trait of thatgeneration do you like about?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
your group so I'm from Gen X and I think Gen X
always prides ourselves in beinglike one of the more low
maintenance generations.
So now here I go.
I'm gonna say something that'snot particularly positive, but I
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feel like this it kind of likethe boomers just got a lot of
attention and I felt likemillennials got a lot of
attention and I think felt likemillennials got a lot of
attention and I think Gen Xactually is a smaller, like the
window to be a Gen X is smallerbut just kind of got skipped
over.
But I feel like overall we'rekind of that generation that
puts their nose to thegrindstone and just gets the job
done, but maybe everybody feelsthat way.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No, I think you hit it.
And actually one of the thingsthings we didn't talk about that
but I found fascinating in intaking some graduate level
courses in generational thinkingis that at any one time there's
a constellation of fourgenerations and they go a
dominant recessive, dominantrecessive.
(07:41):
There you and you can see thathappening with the boomers, the
millennials, the Xers.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yes, are the recessive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It doesn't mean that you're less than, but they don't
get quite the attention.
Yes, and we had to watch moviesthat actually reflected the
generation, and the movie thatwe watched for Generation X was
a Ted.
Bill and Ted's ExcellentAdventure that was one of them,
(08:10):
but there was another one, theBreakfast.
Club, that's what I was justgoing to say, the Breakfast Club
Any, john.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Hughes movie.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I feel like that's very our generation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's going to come to me it will.
When it does you just shout itout?
Our listeners want to know.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm laughing about it right now.
But anyway yeah, I think you'reright there.
I'm a boomer and we were a veryidealistic generation.
And I appreciate that because Iwas there in the 60s and the
summer of love during my teenageyears and all the idealism and
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the counterculture.
But actually such a dominantsized group yes, the whole
society of America began toidealize what we were idealizing
.
Now we had a tendency to bevery idealistic, but in terms of
getting everything done thatwas irrelevant.
(09:09):
Everyone just kind of had topander to us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
No, we did, get stuff done, you did.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, we were high-performing.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
A lot of boomer presidents.
No Gen X presidents.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's a population thing too.
That's boomer presidents no,gen X presidents no, because
it's a population thing too.
That's true, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm a Gen Xer and I love the survivability that Gen
Xers have.
We're like we didn't wearsunscreen and we didn't use car
seats and we drank from hosesand we survived.
We would leave the house and wedidn't get kidnapped and we'd
be gone all day and nobody knewwhere we were.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Free range those kids .
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was just we survived.
So true, that's what I like.
So, as Zach transitioned intothe next part of his message he
talked about, he had two thingsthat were tips for the older
generation to think about whenthey're communicating with the
younger generation, and then twotips for the younger generation
speaking to the oldergeneration.
(10:10):
So the first ones were fromolder to younger, and the first
one he said this is all the Psin his sentence push past
preferences to propel the nextgeneration.
And he asked the question whatpreference is God calling you to
lay aside in order to greaterpropel those younger than you?
What are your thoughts on thatidea of pushing past the
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preferences to propel the nextgeneration, or what is God
asking you to set aside?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, one of the common characteristics as a
follower of Jesus is to be notjust to know him, but to be
inhabited by him and hisattitude towards people, which
had the capacity to understand,and by understanding people, it
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gives opportunity to know.
What is it that they might needNow?
Encouraging words is anexcellent example of that, but
in some cases it might be evenmore specifically like
validation, and there might bepeople in generational profiles
(11:25):
that are beneath you or notyounger than you that simply
need the validation that, hey,you got what it takes.
Now, that's also a quote that'sbeen widely said.
Fathers need to say that to thenext generation after them,
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particularly their sons, and sayyou got what it takes.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I think about and when Samuel, the prophet
Samuel, was talking to God aboutwho the next king of Israel is
going to be and God reminded him.
You know, I don't look atpeople the way that you look at
people.
Man looks at the outside, godlooks at the heart.
(12:14):
And I think sometimes when welook at people of a different
generation and don't maybeunderstand what the wrapping on
the gift is all about the giftis still in there and we really
need to take the time to kind ofmaybe look beyond the things
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that puzzle us, to the heart ofthe person inside of that.
And so I'm just thinking a lotabout how do I really look at
the heart of a person andsometimes I think these
generational differences,there's just some fear attached
to it.
So even you know, I'm 55 andthere's stuff I don't understand
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about technology and it justfeels intimidating to me.
And when things seem scary ordifferent, there's just I don't
understand about technology andit just feels intimidating to me
.
And when things seem scary ordifferent, there's just a
tendency to push against it alittle bit.
So I'm just trying to recognizein myself, when I see something
that's unfamiliar, not to pushagainst it but to be curious and
to move forward.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I don't know if you guys are familiar with
Simon Sinek, the author andspeaker.
I love a lot of what he talksabout.
But he talks a lot about themillennial generation as they
got into the workforce, and bothboomers and Gen Xers would
judge millennial coworkers of ohthey're lazy, oh they don't
want to work their full 40 hoursall there and they just have a
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different work style.
Like they just function in adifferent way.
They grew up with differentroutines and so they function
and structure their day andtheir work time in different
ways than what a boomer or a GenX or just someone different
than them may do.
And I really, like he like,would almost get angry in some
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of the podcasts I would hear himin talking about.
Millennials are not lazy.
The idea is that they're lazyand they're not lazy, they just
work differently.
They function differently.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Dina, that's such a very good illustration.
And if I were to put myselfback a few years back, when I
had hair down to my shouldersand it was a statement of being
countercultural, and thegeneration above me said you
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long hair, yippee, yippee, yeahof me, said you long-haired,
friggin' hippie.
And it was one of those socialcustoms that was becoming a
barrier that you just used tocharacterize stereotype.
If you would that generationbehind you and that's what
Zach's talking about let's pushaside, let's understand what
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some of those biases are, sothat we can answer the calling
that God's given us to speakinto other people's lives, the
honor that God wants to givethem through us.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So the second point that he talked about for the
older generation to the youngergeneration is to speak life and
courage.
What are your thoughts there?
You've already kind of touchedbase on, you know, speaking
positively to them.
I just it's not just words,it's actions too.
That's what I kept thinking.
It's not just words, it'sactions.
(15:40):
It's how I make assumptionsabout that generation, and then
how do I build them up, evenwhen I may not fully understand
their motives, in the same waythat my brain works, or yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think one of the things that struck me in the
message was just talking aboutthe challenges that our younger
generations face, things thatare unique to them, that we
never experienced, or maybeexperienced in a different way.
Every generation has theirchallenges, I know, but I think
like about my youngest son, whowas born a few months after 9-11
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and then graduated from highschool during the COVID epidemic
.
That's really tough and growingup requires courage.
And how awesome is it when youhave someone who comes alongside
you and says, like you said,roger, you've got what it takes,
or I'm walking with you, andthen don't just say it but
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actually take time, which isreally our most precious
commodity.
I think during the message Iwas thinking about, julie, what
are more intentional ways thatyou could reach out to the
generations beneath you?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah about the fact that the generational
characteristics, personalities,are largely formed by some of
those sociological eventshappening, you know, in the era
of their formative years ordeveloping years, whatever.
So it helps us betterunderstand and sometimes to be
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able to speak honor into theirlives means to validate them in
ways that we can help step asideand make a path of success for
them.
Now, one of the things that Ireally enjoy doing is I hire a
young man from our church tocome on over and help me with
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various yard work or differentbuilding projects and stuff like
that, and it gives me a chanceto actually coach him a little
bit about work and hard work,and also even to the point of
saying, okay, is this, okay,let's look at what you've just
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done there, Is that acceptable?
Yes, and he'll say yeah, and Igo no.
I'm going to tell you why you'vejust done there is, is that
acceptable?
Yes, and he'll say yeah, and Igo no, it's not.
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And actually, that is a kind of a loving thing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's a loving thing and said because you're gonna
have, you know, someday, a bossand someday you're gonna own
your own company and if thathappens, you're not going to get
that customer back.
And here's why, and and also,then we would joke about it,
laugh about it, but what he got,the clear picture and what he
needed to know is that someoneis genuinely on his team and
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wants to see him have successand is willing to for me not to
do it all myself, right, but totake the time to let him do so
that he can have success andhelp him fashion that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and mentoring really is a gift and that's what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, and I'm also getting very cheap labor.
Don't tell him.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, I'm paying him, okay, but you are investing in
him, and that's something Ithink that we have kind of lost
sight of in society.
I feel like when I grew up,there were a lot of adults that
I feel like poured into me.
They were the neighbors in myneighborhood or leaders at my
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church or even differentrelationships that I had with
adults at church I mean atschool and I feel like sometimes
now there's such a barrier tojust investing in other people's
children.
Both of my daughters, when theywere young, when they were in
their teenage years, had theirsmall group leader at church.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That really just poured into them.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And still to this day , one of them.
She was there for a time andthen she kind of grew out of it
and that was fine.
She has fond memories, but mymiddle daughter just reached out
to hers yesterday to talk aboutlife and we were just talking
27.
So this was 10 years ago ormore than that that they were
spending time together, but theimpact that that had, and the
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amazing thing about it is nowthat daughter has developed a
relationship with some teenagersthat she knows just kind of
through a circumstance that arefoster children right now and
she is just pouring into thosekids.
She'll take those kids just outfor a meal or just go spend time
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with those kids where she'sjust an outside adult, like they
have enough space, adultsadvocating for them, you know,
trying to help them with thesituation that they find
themselves in, but this is justsomebody coming and loving on
them and spending time in themand like purposefully, she said,
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I remember what that meant tome even though she wasn't in the
same personal situation and isnow trying to turn around and
pay it back to someone else.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So it was an interesting question If we kind
of took Zach's encouraging wordand said who is it that we would
identify in our sphere ofinfluence and be intentional
about opening up opportunitiesto develop a more intentional
kind of relationship ormentoring.
And, Julie, I've watched you dothat because you've done that
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with some younger gals in a veryintentional way that also
brought spiritual breakthrough.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's just a blessing both ways
right.
So just being able to heartheir perspectives, seeing them
as they're coming to understandnew things about God, just
enjoying who God made them to beas a person, it's been
extremely meaningful for me, soI've been grateful for those
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opportunities.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Now, Julie, did you ever participate in MomCo?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I did not.
What used to be?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Mops?
I did not either, and so thisis something I'm still learning
about.
But MomCo sets up basicallylike mom mentors with their
program where it's moms thathave been through your stage
that help mentor younger momsthrough that right here that we
work with in our building, youknow that uses our facilities.
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That, yeah, is honoring thenext generation or a generation
younger than them, notnecessarily the next generation
like children, but a generationyounger than them, by trying to
support, encourage, by speakinglife and courage, just like
Zach's.
You know challenge, so that'sgreat.
You know challenge, so that'sgreat, all right.
(22:42):
So then pastor Zachtransitioned into advice for the
younger generation inrelationship to the older
generation, and his openingadvice was stop wasting your
money on door dash.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I wouldn't stand up and say, oh, it's obvious.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So, true.
I do think that's a verygenerational thing.
Yes, a hundred percent.
No, his real advice number onewas receive their wisdom.
What did that make you think of?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, our culture sometimes does not, and we have
to understand.
Our American culture has itsthough it's a fabric of many
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different nationalities blendedhas its own unique take on
elderly, because some culturesaround the world, the older you
get, the wiser you get and themore prominent your voice
becomes.
Perhaps not so in America, it'snot as readily seen.
There's a kind of a tippingpoint after which the person may
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not be perceived to be as wise,but the point is true wisdom is
being open to receiving wisdom.
And can we take the time toactually, in reverse, ask that
question that I mentionedearlier who is it that you're
identifying and beingintentional with to pour into?
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Well, if we were to reverse it,who are you identifying or
being intentional to say, youknow, I think I need to slow
life down a little bit and askthat person some things about
life that they have to sharewith me.
That might be really beneficial.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I love that, roger.
I was thinking about somethingsimilar.
So I just heard this on apodcast and I can't say who the
person.
I can't remember who the personwas exactly, but he was saying
how important it is from us tomove from kind of looking at
people who have platforms topeople who are pillars.
And he said oftentimes peoplewho are pillars in their
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community have lived a long lifeof faithfulness to God, to
other people, and they actuallymay not be people who are
shouting from the rooftops hey,look at me, look at me.
But I think the youngergeneration would be wise to slow
down and look at people who'velived really fruitful lives in
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relationship to God and otherpeople over a long period of
time and be inquisitive and askthem about what that's been like
, and they would just learn somuch.
So I just think it's slowingdown and asking questions of
people who might not be sayinghey, let me tell you all about
myself.
(25:45):
I've got this amazing platform.
Here's what you need to know.
It's looking for those quieterpeople who are just absolutely
rock solid.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Can I share a little bit about being old?
Yes, I got you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Older.
What exactly?
Older Age challenged orchronologically challenged?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
No chronologically superior.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
There you go.
That's right, that was the word.
I found it too.
Yes, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yes, so I'm chronologically superior, but I
have found that in my morerecent chronologically
superiority years I am much morereticent not to talk or share
my perspective, as I was 20years ago.
I find it much more helpful forother people if I just am quiet
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, unless they are reallyinterested or really ask, and so
that's kind of a word ofencouragement that sometimes we
really need to ask.
And here's a classic point Ihad just an amazing encounter
recently in Africa with arefugee people group,
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face-to-face with a thousandrefugees, and it's an amazing
story, and someone asked me alittle bit about it and I told a
paragraph and then I kind ofwatched the person switch the
topic to something else and Isaid, well, that's okay, but I
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cause I don't have a need tokeep going, like maybe I once
would have.
But I'm wondering if maybe thatperson might have said asked a
little bit more, because therewere some things that they might
have said ask a little bit morebecause there were some things
that they might have reallybenefited from.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, so then Zach said number two was expressing
your gratitude and grace, that'sfrom the younger generation to
the older generation.
This is one, I think, that iseasy to forget.
I mean, we talk about how muchthe boomers did, you know, or
(28:06):
how much my parents did, or youknow, whatever my parents,
whatever generation they may be,you know as kids grow up and
learn, oh, you know, they'vedone this for our family, or
they sacrificed this, or theydid this for our community or
for our church, and I think it'sreally easy to forget to thank
(28:26):
them for that and it takes suchlittle time, but don't you think
it means so much?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean right, we were talking about how much
encouragement means, Gratitudemeans a lot to speaking as a as
a mom Right.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know more, I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right.
He talked about kind of thetransfer of generational wealth.
Well, there's a lot of ways tobe wealthy and so just to
encourage people, even if youdon't have a lot of cash to pass
on to your children, somedayyou can pass on something that's
just of so much more value,right, discipling your children
in the Lord.
(29:07):
That's going to pay eternalbenefits that go far beyond
whatever money that you may giveto them, just the richness of a
healthy and happy family life,parent-child relationship, so
just being grateful for whatyou've received.
(29:29):
Nothing's perfect, but I think alot of us can say we had
parents who, at least some ofthe time a lot of us can say we
had parents who, at least someof the time, did well and wanted
what was best for us.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And can we find that and say thank you?
I've recently had the blessing,the challenge, the life
transition of helping myfather-in-law by going to the
nursing home, and a big part ofthat, with my wife Cheryl and I
(30:07):
in our conversations with him,was taking time for me,
especially to affirm him for hispersonal impact to me, because
these are the crowning years ofhis life, and to remind him that
some of his personalitycharacteristics of speaking joy
(30:31):
into people's lives, just beinginterested in people lives, just
being interested in people, andthose kinds of things that gave
him a sense of people feelingconnected to him when he was
around.
He needed to hear that againwhen he was going to the next
(30:55):
transition that, just likeyou've done for me, dad, in so
many ways, I of see what God'sup to, because when we're
(31:19):
thankful we're usuallycelebrating something that God's
doing or has done.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
This piece made me think of two weeks ago, when it
was Father's Day and Pastor Gregwas talking about doing a
special prayer for fathers andhe had all the dads stand up and
ask people to go lay a hand ontheir father.
My son, who's 18 and justgraduated high school, was in
the service that day and he saidthat near him there was an
(31:47):
older—he didn't say how old, howchronologically superior—but an
older gentleman who stood up,and he didn't have any family
around him, but he stood up as afather.
And my son went over and puthands and prayed on him and he
said when he finished this guywas tearing up and turned to him
and said thank you.
(32:09):
And we were talking about itafterwards and I was like what
an amazing way to honor thatgeneration for you.
Like he knows, for whateverreason his family is not here,
whether they don't live here,they don't come to church with
him.
You know, when he stood up heknew that wasn't going to be.
You know that case.
He's still receiving a prayerbecause we're praying over all
(32:30):
the fathers in the room.
You know what I mean.
But just to have this strangercome over who's a younger
generation that I'm sure thereare a lot of stereotypes about.
You know prayer and where theirfaith life is, and just the
boldness to go over and stepthat up, and he's telling me
this story and I'm tearing uptalking about it now, like I'm
(32:51):
just like, oh, oh yeah, it's sobeautiful, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh yeah, it's so beautiful yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Love it.
I just really thought that wasa.
I kept thinking of that thisweek when Zach was talking about
, you know, honoring thatgeneration and I was like, oh,
you know what?
Not all hope is lost.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes, that's so sweet, Dina yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It really is.
Yeah, I think you know, justthinking about this message and
the scripture verse that sayslife and death is in the tongue.
How are we using our words?
Are we sharing life or are webringing something way worse?
And, man, when I think aboutthe words that I speak, I want
(33:33):
to be representing Jesus himself, who is full of life, and it
was just a great reminder.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So I think we're probably to that point where
you're kind of wrapping up.
We are, I'm getting the wrap-uplook from Dina.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You're always so kind .
Anyway, this is a job you cantransition into.
Roger.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I love the topic of honor and it kind of caused me
to ask the question you know God, what are you asking?
And in the very heart of thecommandment, to love God is to
honor him.
And the way we honor God, theway we love God, is by loving
(34:21):
others and honoring others.
That's just kind of how itworks, and the beautiful thing
about the Christian faith isthat the power to do that comes
from God.
Seeing how faulted and short wecome, up and taking action
(34:43):
himself because he was the onethat took his robe of honor,
laid it aside, came and took upa clothing of shame of our own
sin and took it on himself andthen was ridiculed.
Jesus ridiculed as he bore ourshame on himself.
(35:09):
Why?
So that we might be honoredwith his forgiveness and life in
him.
And after we've received thatfrom a God that would honor us
so much, my goodness, there'spower in that how we can honor
one another across generations,up generations, down generations
(35:32):
, across backyard fences,national boundaries or language
boundaries.
So what a blessing it is to bein honor culture, because God's
the one who honored us so.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, I really enjoyed this series and I really
enjoyed.
I wrote down the quote thatPastor Zach shared towards the
end of this message, and it wasfrom Sadie Robertson Huff, and
it says when we are a generationthat honors, encourages and
lifts each other up, old andyoung, we don't just carry the
gospel, we multiply it.
I was like whoa, that one'sgood.
(36:10):
Well, thank you guys for beinghere.
I am excited for your nextvisit, whenever it is on our
schedule, because we'll bejumping into a new sermon
message next time Sounds greatyou.
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