April 2, 2025 • 33 mins
In the final sermon of the Nuts and Bolts series, King of Kings explores the “finishes” of discipleship—treasuring what matters, loving our neighbors, and trusting God’s provision—through Jesus’ teachings in the Sermon on the Mount. With practical insight and personal reflection, this conversation reframes discipleship as a lifelong journey of bringing heaven to earth, shaping how we live, love, and leave a legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, where we explore the
sermon series that King of Kingsis going through, and see what
we're taking beyond Sunday.
I'm Dena Newsom and I have somereally fun guests here today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You go first, you're more fun.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, my name's Peter Bay.
I'm the campus director forKing's Northwest.
I love pizzas with mushrooms.
Zach, what's your take onmushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't like mushrooms at all.
No, you're an anti-mushroom.
I'm not a picky guy, butmushrooms and olives are not for
me.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, mushrooms and olives.
How about cantaloupe?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I like cantaloupe.
Is it the taste or is it thetexture?
For me, mushrooms, it's thetexture.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's mostly the taste , because I feel like I can do
some weird textures, sure.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
What do?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
you mean by that Eating weird textures?
So seafood, seafood's got someinteresting.
I'm Zach Zender.
By the way, I have a new titleit's the senior director of
Multisite.
Were you junior before I don'tknow, but I just became senior.
I feel pretty happy about that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is that an age thing?
I don't know.
Probably you had a big birthdaythis year.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
A little while ago.
I'm an old man, the texturething.
Did I answer it?
Seafood, I feel like has someweird texture and.
And so seafood, I feel like hassome weird texture and.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I love seafood.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's like my favorite , so like octopus, yeah, I'll
eat some octopus.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I don't do it often.
Yeah Right, that's crazy.
I think that's why I likemushrooms is because of the
texture.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You can chew you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So many choices.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I didn't even know where to go from that, yeah.
So of nowhere to go from that.
So you know there's.
There's a big national holidaythis week, guys.
In case you don't know, aprilFool's Day it's the start of
April.
April Fool's Day happens thisweek.
Like are you, guys, like bigpranksters, do you?
Go all in.
Do you have you ever pulledlike an epic April Fool's prank.
April Fool's prank.
Let's see if I can talk today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, you know what I like the ideas of the idea of
pranking, but I am not a bigprankster.
Yeah, right, you're like thebiggest prankster.
I know that's not even true.
My daughter, though, mysix-year-old daughter, has
labeled herself the trickster.
Yeah, so I am anticipating somepranks from the six-year-old.
We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like I used to really love this day, and I
don't know what it is.
Peter, you know Allison reallywell.
She's not like I wouldn't callher like the biggest prankster
in the world, but like I don'tknow what it was Like.
There's about a two, three-yearperiod where she just went hog
wild on April Fool's Day, Really, and made herself into this
massive prankster and did allsorts of things that I just kind
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of reverted and stopped doingthem because I didn't want her
to keep doing it to me.
If that makes sense, that doesmake sense Anyway.
So I've kind of come full circle.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean she would do crazy stuff Like she put your
dog poop in a $20 bill on thelawn or something.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, so a couple of them were like she'd pour, like
somehow I know I opened a doorlike a big bucket of water would
fall on me.
Uh, she made my, uh, she mademy computer into like japanese
or chinese language and Icouldn't figure out how to
change it back, because it's allthe symbols.
(03:22):
Are you sure it was her not?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
her.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah no, she laughed and yucked it up, and so, anyway
, she turned ruthless on Aprilfool's day.
So it reverted me to just becompletely calm, hoping that I
can just go through the daywithout any pranks.
This is the year we get herback.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm in you, just let me know, we'll talk about it
today.
So we got a secret Aprilfoolster.
Like I'm in you, just let meknow, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm in too.
I'm like a secret AprilFoolster.
I'm not gonna initiate anything, but I'm all for joining in if
somebody else starts something,because then I don't take the
blame.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's easy.
Let's get Gigi.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, let's figure something out.
Speaking of Gigi, he spoke thisweekend and we had our last
sermon in this series and it'snuts and bolts.
We are building the modern daydisciple and this week was the
finishes.
We're kind of taking a diveinto the Sermon on the Mount and
Greg just wrapped it up byreally talking about the
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finishes, or you know, what doesa disciple look like at the end
?
What are those finishingtouches?
What was your biggest takeaway?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this sermon?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, he called me out at the beginning and I just
want to correct the record alittle bit.
Like I know, when somebody says,give me a flat head, I know
what that is.
It's.
When they say the Phillips,that's the thing that gets like
wait, is that the flat one?
Or is that the cross and that'sI learned yesterday, the cross
one?
Or is that the cross and that'sI learned yesterday, the cross
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one?
So that's what I'm taking away.
Is I know what screwdrivers touse?
No, that was kind of funny, butfor me, what I'm taking beyond
Sunday from yesterday's messageis how important it is to use
what God's given to us now andnot hang on and hoard all the
blessings that he gives to us.
Yeah, put them to use, get themgoing, get them flowing.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I was convicted in a couple areas.
One of them do I know myneighbors, the neighbors all
around me?
Do I know their names?
Do I know their kids' names?
And then also that question ofwhat's your most valuable
commodity, and is it faith.
So that was convicting to me tosay it's easy to say that, but
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does the way I live reflect it?
So that stood out to me.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, and I wasn't thinking initially like what's
your most valuable commodity.
I was like thinking possession,like not even people, but like
what possessions you know wouldI choose for that?
And so thinking of that is areally convicting thing.
Is that really like what's mostprecious to me is my faith?
And I hope I would say yes.
It's also hard to know withoutbeing like pressed you know,
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without this stuff getting takenaway.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's easy to say when you're not under any stress A
hundred percent, yeah, yeah.
So one of the questions thatGreg asked when he was opening
was what makes your home a home?
So, like not necessarilytalking about this message
specifically, what do you feellike makes your home a home?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I mean honestly.
I've got three little kids somy home is loud, like if I go
home and there's not likesomeone screaming.
It just doesn't feel right.
It feels good, don't get mewrong, but home to me at this
point is like life and vibrancyand volume and craft projects
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started over on the table and mymiddle child, jada she's
playing an instrument and Remy'shiding somewhere and we haven't
seen her in eight minutes andso home is a lot of mischief and
craziness is a lot of mischiefand craziness.
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And we've lived in threedifferent homes in the last six
years and, regardless of wherewe've been, that's been
consistent.
So whether we are at home or ata hotel on vacation, that's
what I'm used to feeling with myfamily currently.
I wonder where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, I can't figure out where the mischief.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Karista, my wife is just beside herself every day.
She just can't believe how loudeveryone is.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
She gets super annoyed.
So annoyed.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Her least favorite thing in life is loud noises,
and we're all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And she married you.
We're all so loud.
She signed up for that one.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It is wild Like she.
She bought several pairs ofthese like things she puts in
her ears that they're not likeearbuds, they just dampen sound,
but then she doesn't wear themand she's just shocked all day
long by how loud we are.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's amazing For me .
I think of Allison's alwaysdone a really great job of home
cooked dinners and you know,it's not every night because
life happens, but weconsistently do that together,
the four of us.
And when I think of what makesyour home a home, that's the
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picture that comes to mind iswe're sitting around eating meal
and talking and and enjoyinggood food and it just it's a way
to celebrate God's provision.
You know another day where wehave food on our table and the
kids are around and it justfeels like home in those moments
.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, zach, I've been in your home several times.
You guys also have like is thisall Allison, the decor For our
house?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, Largely, largely yeah, because your house
is always like house is alwayssome input from you, know others
that I think know what they'redoing and that but she's, yeah,
really I think she's gifted atit, Right the decor, the tables,
the lamps, the everything justlike feels, feels right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It feels right, it has a spot.
When you walk in you're like,ah, Allison will have music
playing.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I feel like my house, is the opposite of all those
things.
Well, you know, in thespiritual gift side, like
Allison does score really highon the gift of hospitality, so
she knows how to.
It's more than just you know, abox with four walls.
It's the vibe, the energy, theatmosphere you set, and there's
a sound to it.
It could be music, there's asmell to it, it could be the
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food, and so there's all sortsof those things that I think
some people have to think about.
Like I would have to thinkabout those things, and I think
probably for someone like herit's more natural where it's
just, it is what it is and she'sgood at it.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, dina, how does your house smell?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
My yeah, Dina.
How does your house smell?
My house smells like a teenageboy a lot right now, which is
not always.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's either really unpleasant or lots of cologne.
I got that at my house.
My boys are super into cologne.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I just make sure I buy him colognes that I enjoy
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What's nice now is they actually spend pretty good
their own money, like on cologne, and they move on to something
else, and so I usually end upgetting their leftovers, which
is great stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So what you're smelling right here?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
was one of my son's colognes.
All of our listeners could behere.
You know, for me, home is wherethe um giant gorilla wears a
cowboy hat.
That's what, um, that's what myhome is.
I just am looking at the lookon Peter's face.
When, many, many moons ago,before I had children, when my
ex-husband and I were firstmarried, he was in school still
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at the time, and he had to writea paper and he was really bad
at writing papers, so I washelping him quote.
I was doing it for him, don'ttell.
But he needed to write a paperabout what home was, and at the
time we had very little in ourhome.
We were not wealthy at anymeans and we had this giant
gorilla that I think he won at afair or something, a big, white
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stuffed gorilla with boxinggloves, red boxing gloves, and
he had placed his cowboy hat ontop of this gorilla and that was
sitting right next to thecomputer where I'm trying to
write this paper.
And so I just created the paperaround.
Home is where the giant monkeywears the cowboy hat and we
still have this gorilla.
I still have this gorilla.
It's gone through many stagesof being like a sleepmate for my
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children.
It was when my son was younger.
It was his wrestling opponentconsistently, but it's still the
cowboy.
I mean, the cowboy hat is stillon the gorilla and that to me,
is home.
But what it means to me is thememories of that time, like the
memories of family and thethings that it's gone through
with my kids.
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So it's a big gorilla for me,just like everyone you know.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, and Dina, you're, you're, uh, you enjoy
such fun things.
Uh, like it's, it's fun.
It's been fun to get to knowyou and find out, like, how you
guys will watch like wrestlingas a family and just like these
zany imaginative things.
That that is kind of a coolpicture of your home.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when
Greg asked that question was oh,it's the big gorilla.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And nobody else in the world had that answer.
I'm sure maybe it's a big worldso you never know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, so back to our message series, like
talking about our home, evenlooking kind of forward to our
heavenly home, looking at whatdoes a disciple look like?
Greg really brought up thatthis is a process that's never
done.
Like you're not, we don't havea completed disciple like we do
when you start a building andyou finish the building.
(12:44):
Do you guys have any thoughtson that, like just that
continuing discipleship or whatthat looks like or what it means
to you?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I think that's what we've been trying to get
through in this series is thatto understand discipleship at
its core is not complicated.
It's actually pretty easy.
It's being and doing like Jesus.
We've said that over and overevery week, but that is a
process that never finishes andit is not a destination, it's a
journey, and so I think, evenlike a home, though, right, you
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build this home, but you stillgot to take care of it and
you've got to performmaintenance and you've got to
look after it and you've got toclean it and I don't always do
that great at these things.
You got to keep it up, though,if you want it to be the home
that you want it to be, andsometimes that means upgrades
and sometimes that means lots ofdifferent stuff, and so I think
it's a really.
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I've really, the more I sat withit and got into it, I've loved
kind of looking at discipleshipwith this new metaphor of the
house and the different aspectsof it, because there's a lot of
similarities of, yeah, I can bea disciple and I can say I'm
done now and maybe I did somegreat work to get to where I am
today, but actually, if Christis real and I'm in relationship
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with him.
I always want to, not because Ihave to, because I want to get
better and better because of howgood he's been, and so it's a
lifelong never finished.
And better because of how goodhe's been, and so it's a
lifelong, never finished, alwayslooking to upgrade my
discipleship or put some moretouches on it or improve in
different ways, and I thinkthat's the beauty of the journey
.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah.
When I get to have confirmationconversations with 13 and 14
year olds who are confirmingtheir faith, I ask them the
question do you thinkdifferently now than you did
seven years ago?
They say yeah.
Will you think differentlyseven years from now than you do
right now?
Yeah, I think so, and it's goodfor us to think through that
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lens as well.
I'm going to be 40 here in amonth and I think differently
than I did when I was 33 andwhen I was 25, and so on and so
forth, and I'm going to thinkdifferently seven, eight years
from now and 20 years from now.
It's a process that God isalways working on me.
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He's pruning me and I'mlearning His Word.
The Word of God is alive andactive, and so every time I read
it, something comes to life.
That's new for me and that's abeautiful thing about the work
of the Holy Spirit in our life.
Also, like you said, zach, ourhomes change.
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We might move to a new homewith a different structure, and
also our homes go underconstruction, and so, similarly
with our faith, there's a rollercoaster at times when something
there's a death in the familyor something doesn't go as
planned and once again, we haveto be reliant in a new way and
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God, he's faithful.
But I think we're in a constantrebuilding, shifting mode.
So this series has been a greatone for me, and this message
itself stood out because, aspeople were arriving for church,
I talked to one young man whosaid as people were arriving for
church, I talked to one youngman who said I don't know, I'm
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really struggling with mypurpose of like, what do I do
with my life?
And this message was reallygood at that.
Okay, so you have a foundation,you've got the cross beam,
you're reliant on Jesus.
Now, what?
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What does it look like?
And this message really helpedgive us some good pictures of
that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah.
So Pastor Greg did that bylooking at three different
things and each one of them hegave us three initials to stand
for each.
So he started with TNT,treasures and treasure.
What did you guys take awayfrom that talk treasures.
I felt like the hoarding storywas quite appropriate because I
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felt like that was very on pointfor collecting earthly
treasures.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, when you treasure everything and I have a
one of my kids is that way myyoungest, the trickster, she
will like doesn't want to getrid of anything, everything's so
important to her, and but whenwe treasure everything, that
clouds our judgment on, like,what's really important.
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Um, yeah, that treasures, andtreasure, um, what really
matters to me, what do I value?
Um, and I I think I have atendency to kind of be similar
to my six-year-old and treasurea lot of things, and it divides
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my attention and can take awayfrom what's really important.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Maybe even some things that Ross stressed for
less Gosh.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I love that place, which you love, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I think so.
There was a period in seminarywhere I was wheeling and dealing
a lot on eBay.
In the early days I had an eBaybusiness and one of the things
that I found that I loved was100% cashmere sweaters and I
could find great deals and soI'd never paid close to full
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price.
So I stockpiled.
So many probably had 15 or 20,hundred percent cashmere
sweaters and then my call was toFlorida where guess what you?
don't need cashmere sweaters,cashmere.
And so they were in a box for11 years while we were there,
and when I moved to Omaha, I waslike you know what, at least
I'll be able to wear my cashmeresweaters again.
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But you know what happened?
What God says don't store upyour treasures on earth where
moths and vermin destroy.
Oh no, there were moths andvermin All these things had
holes in them For real.
Yeah, because they and actuallyI found out those insects
actually like the more finermaterials, so they were for 11
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years just eating on thesethings.
So they were for 11 years justeating on these things.
I'm like, ah, so I have a realstory of like, yeah, that really
does happen.
But I think it's a beautifulpicture of when we place our
value on the things of thisworld.
Like there is an expirationdate to those things.
They'll either get destroyed,get stolen or get auctioned off
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things.
They'll either get destroyed,get stolen or get auctioned off,
and and so, rather than placingour hearts into those things,
there's something more powerfulto place our heart in.
Can I share?
There's one cool piece that Ifound that jumped off the page
to me once I knew more about it,and it's in this section, and I
think it makes the differencefor this.
So it's Matthew 6, 22 to 23.
So it's right after thoseverses, the eye is the lamp of
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the body.
If your eyes are healthy, yourwhole body will be full of light
, but if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full
of darkness.
And uh, and the uh underneaththat there's a Hebrew idiom, for
your eyes are healthy, or eyesare unhealthy or good eyes.
Having a good eye, having a badeye.
What it meant was, if you hadgood eyes, that meant you saw
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the world with with an abundancemindset, and unhealthy eyes
meant that you see the worldfrom a stingy or a scarcity
mindset and I'd never connectedbecause all this is so much
about money and treasure.
And then there's this weirdverse of like if your eyes are
healthy and unhealthy, I'm like,what is that?
But it actually very much playsinto this section and I think
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it's critical that if you haveeyes of abundance which we ought
to have in Christ, it changesthe way we live and see this
world.
It changes the way we live andsee this world.
But if you have eyes that areunhealthy, a bad eye, scarcity,
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then all these things that it'stalking about the anxiety that
comes later, of like worryingabout tomorrow and clothes and
all that stuff, is more easilycoming in.
And so the real goal here islet's have eyes of abundance, an
abundance mindset, because Godhas provided so much, and even
the next verses where he talksabout peace, out people, the POP
, it's like why would you worrywhen God takes care of the
lilies and the birds and theflowers.
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He will much more take care ofyou because we have a God of
abundance.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So in the old Testament, when it says that uh,
was it Leah?
Leah had weak eyes, Weak eyes.
Is that what that's about?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
She had like a negativity thing.
I think that's the author's wayof saying she had a nice
personality.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, cause I was wondering does she have like a
lazy eye or something?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, I do think weak eyes.
Yeah, lazy eye or something, Idon't know.
Yeah, I do think weak eyes.
Yeah, it wasn't a compliment.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'd have to look back a little bit more, but I've
heard a lot of preachers on Leahthe weak eyes saying that's the
21st century version of sayingyeah, she has a nice personality
.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
She was a woman of God, yeah, something like that
no sparkle.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, you know, they say the eyes are the windows to
the soul.
And the one I jotted down duringthe message our treasures are
reflective of our beliefs.
That that's what Gigi had saidand I really liked that.
I was like, okay, when we lookaround at what it is we collect,
which having earthly treasuresis not bad, god is not saying
you know, you can't haveanything.
But where does the true valuelie?
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Yeah, I really liked that.
And talking about loving things.
But Greg kind of shifted itinto loving your neighbor L-Y-N
was his second initials.
Loving your neighbor, talkingabout an abundance of love,
sharing it freely.
Was there something that wasreally convicting or really
tugging at your heartstrings onthis one?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, the convicting.
I mean he said like do you knowtheir name?
Pray for them privately by name, Bless them consistently, Love
them recklessly.
I was like oh boy, over four,so conviction there, and I did
think like what if I did thesethings for my neighbors, my
attitude would shift for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, I was much on the same line as you.
Convicted, uh, it's.
I feel like I've had moments ofstrength of that in my life and
then there's been moments oryears that I've just kind of
fallen into unintentionality andit can easily I can easily,
especially in ministry getsurrounded in a Christian bubble
where all the people that Iknow are Christians.
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They're people like you twothat we work with, or people
that go to our church, and soit's an excuse, it's a reality,
but it is an excuse in probablyour particular situations.
But, yeah, very convicted, andthat there's neighbors right
across the street that it wouldbe really wise and very
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Jesus-like to love and supportand reach out to in different
ways, in bigger ways than I havepreviously.
Yeah, that was convicting.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, the mark of a disciple is one who does what
Jesus says to do.
Is what Greg had quoted andreally he said there's two
things, Two things.
God lays it out really simplyLove God, love your neighbor.
And I do really well at lovingGod, loving my neighbor not so
much.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, the definition of neighbor is whoever you're
around as well.
So it's not just maybe you'rereally good at living your next
door neighbor and that's great,but whoever you're around.
So it could be that coworkerthat gets on your nerves, it
could be, um, the, the personyou run into regularly at the
gym that you just try to ignorebecause they're going to want to
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talk to you again or whateverthat is so your neighbor.
And then, uh, to want to talkto you again or whatever that is
so your neighbor.
And in Jesus he definedneighbor in the Samaritan, like
the person you disagree with, Infact, maybe the person you
vehemently don't like.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, so moving out of loving your neighbor, greg
talked about POP peace outpeople.
He talked about how God doesgive us everything that we need,
you know, and looking at thelilies of the field and the
birds of the sky and how heprovides everything.
And then he kind of related alittle bit of this to our junk
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drawers.
Do you guys have a junk drawer?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We do.
Yeah, everybody has one.
He showed a few pictures ofjunk drawers.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
None of those are ours, and there were some very
well-organized junk drawers andthere were some real messy junk
drawers.
What kind of junk drawer, peter?
You have to have a messy one.
We have several.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We have a junk drawer that's full of hairbrushes and
walkie-talkies.
We've got one that's got likeall the um, like the, the nice
one.
It's like I like gift cards,spare cash laying around junk.
It's a treasure chest and thenand then we have one that's just
like batteries.
You don't know which ones workand which ones don't work, cause
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the kids just like throw usedbatteries in there.
So annoying, yes, there is thekids just like throw used
batteries in there.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So annoying.
Yes, there are a lot ofannoying things in life.
Batteries that don't work, thatare in your battery section,
that ought to be working, are atotal nuisance.
I hate that.
That has nothing to do withanything, I just need to get it
off my chest.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Thank you.
What is your junk?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
drawer, our junk drawer, is in our kitchen.
Yeah, I know exactly.
It's in our kitchen top drawer.
I think it's moderate in termsof how messy it is every quarter
of a year.
Maybe, alison she's the cleanone in our home, the neat, so
she'll.
She'll organize it everyquarter of a year, but then it
yeah, it gets, gets crazy overthe rest of the quarter of the
year.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You know it's probably in there.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
A Phillips.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
A flathead.
Are you sure it's a Phillips A?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
flathead.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The worst part of my junk drawer is cords to things
that I think I will still need.
Or I find the cord and I don'treally know what it goes to, so
I'm scared to throw it away.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Then they get all tangled with everything else in
the junk drawer.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, 90% of my junk drawer will never get used
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But the 10% that will , it's like oh cool.
I'm glad I hung on to thisRight and the 10%, it could
shift.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, you know, like this season I use this 10%, this
season I use so at max 40% ofthat drawer will ever get used.
Do you feel that way in yourfaith life?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Wow, as you junk drawer are you carrying around
things that are never going toget used.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh, I carry around a lot of useless knowledge and,
yeah, I mean, there's aconviction too, Like what am I
putting in this brain?
That's been a challenge for me.
This year was like a goal forme was to be in God's word more
than social media, and a fewmonths into the year I was like
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I just had to drop one of theplatforms because I was just on
it too much for social media.
And so, yeah, what am I puttingin?
Am I filling my brain with morejunk than treasure?
So good question, Dina.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Thanks, all right.
So, looking at this wholeseries, zach, you preached a lot
of these messages.
What is like the thing thatstuck with you the most of this
whole message, or what spoke toyou the most, or you felt like
it's going to instigate the mostchange.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, there's this question that Greg asked of what
legacy are you leaving Like,what would your neighbors say
about you?
And that is a real test of like.
Am I living a life with thegreatest commodity being faith,
and is it big enough that myneighbors would even care to
notice?
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And that doesn't have to looklike a big Jesus banner in my
yard, but it ought to look likewhat Jesus looks like love and
care for those around me.
So that stood out to me a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, for me.
I fell back in love with theSermon on the Mount, run them
out.
It was just one of those reallyawesome moments where I just
got to really, probably forabout a hundred days, just live
in those three chapters and Ifound it to be just incredibly
healing and restorative andhelpful.
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So two things on the individualside.
If a disciple is being anddoing like Jesus I'm, I've
reevaluated and and going to bemore intentional about a couple
of practices that I want to bemore, that I want to get better
at, just put it that way.
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And so there's some newpractices in my life that I'm
trying out in a new way that Ihope move the needle.
And on a bigger scale, I usuallycreate one large book or series
every year for the greaterchurch and that usually consumes
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a lot of my time and attention.
But in addition to that, I feellike once there's a sermon or a
series every year outside ofthat that I didn't plan on
running into and God messingwith me.
And this was the one for methis year to think, from my
discipleship side, of myministry overall to the capital
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C church, that there's somethingmore here, that this is a new
way for me to think about it andtalk about it and learn about
it and then tell others about it.
And so I wouldn't be shocked if, in the future, if there's more
, I might even call it redletter summit.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, Zach just wrote Because it's Jesus on the
mountain.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
He just announced his newest book Coming in 2029.
Dropped it but anyway I thinkthere's something there.
I feel God working in my spiritin that, so it was really fun
to be in these three chaptersfor as long as we were.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The nugget that keeps sticking in my brain, as you
said several times, about howthe Sermon on the Mount isn't
about how to get to heaven, it'sabout bringing heaven down to
earth and I just keep like.
My brain has not made it allthe way around that yet, which
is enjoyable to continue tothink on and learn and chew on
God's word and what that meansto you in the day, the week, the
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month.
So, that's the one I keep.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I do.
I think it's the primary issuethat most of us are facing in
our nation today is will thosethat believe follow?
And I think it's theopportunity and the challenge,
and I'm all for believing, butbelieving doesn't change anybody
.
Following does right.
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It's what I do, for you knowthat someone else see, they
can't see what's going on on theinside, and so the beings are
super important, but it is thedoing as well and letting God
out through that way, and theworld needs to see a fresh
expression of Jesus.
And so anytime you can get kindof a new handle or new metaphor
or new analogy on that, thattimeless truth, and I think we
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stumbled into one with the nutsand bolts series and the house
metaphor, like cool, let's getthat out there and try to help
one person catch that.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for being here
today Lovely to talk about withyou.
Beyond, sunday is off next week, so in two weeks we'll return
with our new message, divinginto our Palm Sunday message
that day, which is, you right,zach?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It may be.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It may be You'll have to tune in to find out.
In the meantime, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, where we explore the
sermon series that King of Kingsis going through, and see what
we're taking beyond Sunday.
I'm Dena Newsom and I have somereally fun guests here today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You go first, you're more fun.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, my name's Peter Bay.
I'm the campus director forKing's Northwest.
I love pizzas with mushrooms.
Zach, what's your take onmushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't like mushrooms at all.
No, you're an anti-mushroom.
I'm not a picky guy, butmushrooms and olives are not for
me.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, mushrooms and olives.
How about cantaloupe?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I like cantaloupe.
Is it the taste or is it thetexture?
For me, mushrooms, it's thetexture.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's mostly the taste , because I feel like I can do
some weird textures, sure.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
What do?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
you mean by that Eating weird textures?
So seafood, seafood's got someinteresting.
I'm Zach Zender.
By the way, I have a new titleit's the senior director of
Multisite.
Were you junior before I don'tknow, but I just became senior.
I feel pretty happy about that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is that an age thing?
I don't know.
Probably you had a big birthdaythis year.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
A little while ago.
I'm an old man, the texturething.
Did I answer it?
Seafood, I feel like has someweird texture and.
And so seafood, I feel like hassome weird texture and.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I love seafood.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's like my favorite , so like octopus, yeah, I'll
eat some octopus.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I don't do it often.
Yeah Right, that's crazy.
I think that's why I likemushrooms is because of the
texture.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You can chew you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So many choices.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I didn't even know where to go from that, yeah.
So of nowhere to go from that.
So you know there's.
There's a big national holidaythis week, guys.
In case you don't know, aprilFool's Day it's the start of
April.
April Fool's Day happens thisweek.
Like are you, guys, like bigpranksters, do you?
Go all in.
Do you have you ever pulledlike an epic April Fool's prank.
April Fool's prank.
Let's see if I can talk today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, you know what I like the ideas of the idea of
pranking, but I am not a bigprankster.
Yeah, right, you're like thebiggest prankster.
I know that's not even true.
My daughter, though, mysix-year-old daughter, has
labeled herself the trickster.
Yeah, so I am anticipating somepranks from the six-year-old.
We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like I used to really love this day, and I
don't know what it is.
Peter, you know Allison reallywell.
She's not like I wouldn't callher like the biggest prankster
in the world, but like I don'tknow what it was Like.
There's about a two, three-yearperiod where she just went hog
wild on April Fool's Day, Really, and made herself into this
massive prankster and did allsorts of things that I just kind
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of reverted and stopped doingthem because I didn't want her
to keep doing it to me.
If that makes sense, that doesmake sense Anyway.
So I've kind of come full circle.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean she would do crazy stuff Like she put your
dog poop in a $20 bill on thelawn or something.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, so a couple of them were like she'd pour, like
somehow I know I opened a doorlike a big bucket of water would
fall on me.
Uh, she made my, uh, she mademy computer into like japanese
or chinese language and Icouldn't figure out how to
change it back, because it's allthe symbols.
(03:22):
Are you sure it was her not?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
her.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah no, she laughed and yucked it up, and so, anyway
, she turned ruthless on Aprilfool's day.
So it reverted me to just becompletely calm, hoping that I
can just go through the daywithout any pranks.
This is the year we get herback.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm in you, just let me know, we'll talk about it
today.
So we got a secret Aprilfoolster.
Like I'm in you, just let meknow, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm in too.
I'm like a secret AprilFoolster.
I'm not gonna initiate anything, but I'm all for joining in if
somebody else starts something,because then I don't take the
blame.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's easy.
Let's get Gigi.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, let's figure something out.
Speaking of Gigi, he spoke thisweekend and we had our last
sermon in this series and it'snuts and bolts.
We are building the modern daydisciple and this week was the
finishes.
We're kind of taking a diveinto the Sermon on the Mount and
Greg just wrapped it up byreally talking about the
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finishes, or you know, what doesa disciple look like at the end
?
What are those finishingtouches?
What was your biggest takeaway?
What are you taking, beyondSunday, from this sermon?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, he called me out at the beginning and I just
want to correct the record alittle bit.
Like I know, when somebody says,give me a flat head, I know
what that is.
It's.
When they say the Phillips,that's the thing that gets like
wait, is that the flat one?
Or is that the cross and that'sI learned yesterday, the cross
one?
Or is that the cross and that'sI learned yesterday, the cross
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one?
So that's what I'm taking away.
Is I know what screwdrivers touse?
No, that was kind of funny, butfor me, what I'm taking beyond
Sunday from yesterday's messageis how important it is to use
what God's given to us now andnot hang on and hoard all the
blessings that he gives to us.
Yeah, put them to use, get themgoing, get them flowing.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I was convicted in a couple areas.
One of them do I know myneighbors, the neighbors all
around me?
Do I know their names?
Do I know their kids' names?
And then also that question ofwhat's your most valuable
commodity, and is it faith.
So that was convicting to me tosay it's easy to say that, but
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does the way I live reflect it?
So that stood out to me.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, and I wasn't thinking initially like what's
your most valuable commodity.
I was like thinking possession,like not even people, but like
what possessions you know wouldI choose for that?
And so thinking of that is areally convicting thing.
Is that really like what's mostprecious to me is my faith?
And I hope I would say yes.
It's also hard to know withoutbeing like pressed you know,
(06:01):
without this stuff getting takenaway.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's easy to say when you're not under any stress A
hundred percent, yeah, yeah.
So one of the questions thatGreg asked when he was opening
was what makes your home a home?
So, like not necessarilytalking about this message
specifically, what do you feellike makes your home a home?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I mean honestly.
I've got three little kids somy home is loud, like if I go
home and there's not likesomeone screaming.
It just doesn't feel right.
It feels good, don't get mewrong, but home to me at this
point is like life and vibrancyand volume and craft projects
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started over on the table and mymiddle child, jada she's
playing an instrument and Remy'shiding somewhere and we haven't
seen her in eight minutes andso home is a lot of mischief and
craziness is a lot of mischiefand craziness.
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And we've lived in threedifferent homes in the last six
years and, regardless of wherewe've been, that's been
consistent.
So whether we are at home or ata hotel on vacation, that's
what I'm used to feeling with myfamily currently.
I wonder where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, I can't figure out where the mischief.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Karista, my wife is just beside herself every day.
She just can't believe how loudeveryone is.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
She gets super annoyed.
So annoyed.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Her least favorite thing in life is loud noises,
and we're all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And she married you.
We're all so loud.
She signed up for that one.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It is wild Like she.
She bought several pairs ofthese like things she puts in
her ears that they're not likeearbuds, they just dampen sound,
but then she doesn't wear themand she's just shocked all day
long by how loud we are.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's amazing For me .
I think of Allison's alwaysdone a really great job of home
cooked dinners and you know,it's not every night because
life happens, but weconsistently do that together,
the four of us.
And when I think of what makesyour home a home, that's the
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picture that comes to mind iswe're sitting around eating meal
and talking and and enjoyinggood food and it just it's a way
to celebrate God's provision.
You know another day where wehave food on our table and the
kids are around and it justfeels like home in those moments
.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, zach, I've been in your home several times.
You guys also have like is thisall Allison, the decor For our
house?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, Largely, largely yeah, because your house
is always like house is alwayssome input from you, know others
that I think know what they'redoing and that but she's, yeah,
really I think she's gifted atit, Right the decor, the tables,
the lamps, the everything justlike feels, feels right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It feels right, it has a spot.
When you walk in you're like,ah, Allison will have music
playing.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I feel like my house, is the opposite of all those
things.
Well, you know, in thespiritual gift side, like
Allison does score really highon the gift of hospitality, so
she knows how to.
It's more than just you know, abox with four walls.
It's the vibe, the energy, theatmosphere you set, and there's
a sound to it.
It could be music, there's asmell to it, it could be the
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food, and so there's all sortsof those things that I think
some people have to think about.
Like I would have to thinkabout those things, and I think
probably for someone like herit's more natural where it's
just, it is what it is and she'sgood at it.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, dina, how does your house smell?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
My yeah, Dina.
How does your house smell?
My house smells like a teenageboy a lot right now, which is
not always.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's either really unpleasant or lots of cologne.
I got that at my house.
My boys are super into cologne.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I just make sure I buy him colognes that I enjoy
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What's nice now is they actually spend pretty good
their own money, like on cologne, and they move on to something
else, and so I usually end upgetting their leftovers, which
is great stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So what you're smelling right here?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
was one of my son's colognes.
All of our listeners could behere.
You know, for me, home is wherethe um giant gorilla wears a
cowboy hat.
That's what, um, that's what myhome is.
I just am looking at the lookon Peter's face.
When, many, many moons ago,before I had children, when my
ex-husband and I were firstmarried, he was in school still
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at the time, and he had to writea paper and he was really bad
at writing papers, so I washelping him quote.
I was doing it for him, don'ttell.
But he needed to write a paperabout what home was, and at the
time we had very little in ourhome.
We were not wealthy at anymeans and we had this giant
gorilla that I think he won at afair or something, a big, white
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stuffed gorilla with boxinggloves, red boxing gloves, and
he had placed his cowboy hat ontop of this gorilla and that was
sitting right next to thecomputer where I'm trying to
write this paper.
And so I just created the paperaround.
Home is where the giant monkeywears the cowboy hat and we
still have this gorilla.
I still have this gorilla.
It's gone through many stagesof being like a sleepmate for my
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children.
It was when my son was younger.
It was his wrestling opponentconsistently, but it's still the
cowboy.
I mean, the cowboy hat is stillon the gorilla and that to me,
is home.
But what it means to me is thememories of that time, like the
memories of family and thethings that it's gone through
with my kids.
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So it's a big gorilla for me,just like everyone you know.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, and Dina, you're, you're, uh, you enjoy
such fun things.
Uh, like it's, it's fun.
It's been fun to get to knowyou and find out, like, how you
guys will watch like wrestlingas a family and just like these
zany imaginative things.
That that is kind of a coolpicture of your home.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when
Greg asked that question was oh,it's the big gorilla.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And nobody else in the world had that answer.
I'm sure maybe it's a big worldso you never know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, so back to our message series, like
talking about our home, evenlooking kind of forward to our
heavenly home, looking at whatdoes a disciple look like?
Greg really brought up thatthis is a process that's never
done.
Like you're not, we don't havea completed disciple like we do
when you start a building andyou finish the building.
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Do you guys have any thoughtson that, like just that
continuing discipleship or whatthat looks like or what it means
to you?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I think that's what we've been trying to get
through in this series is thatto understand discipleship at
its core is not complicated.
It's actually pretty easy.
It's being and doing like Jesus.
We've said that over and overevery week, but that is a
process that never finishes andit is not a destination, it's a
journey, and so I think, evenlike a home, though, right, you
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build this home, but you stillgot to take care of it and
you've got to performmaintenance and you've got to
look after it and you've got toclean it and I don't always do
that great at these things.
You got to keep it up, though,if you want it to be the home
that you want it to be, andsometimes that means upgrades
and sometimes that means lots ofdifferent stuff, and so I think
it's a really.
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I've really, the more I sat withit and got into it, I've loved
kind of looking at discipleshipwith this new metaphor of the
house and the different aspectsof it, because there's a lot of
similarities of, yeah, I can bea disciple and I can say I'm
done now and maybe I did somegreat work to get to where I am
today, but actually, if Christis real and I'm in relationship
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with him.
I always want to, not because Ihave to, because I want to get
better and better because of howgood he's been, and so it's a
lifelong never finished.
And better because of how goodhe's been, and so it's a
lifelong, never finished, alwayslooking to upgrade my
discipleship or put some moretouches on it or improve in
different ways, and I thinkthat's the beauty of the journey
.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah.
When I get to have confirmationconversations with 13 and 14
year olds who are confirmingtheir faith, I ask them the
question do you thinkdifferently now than you did
seven years ago?
They say yeah.
Will you think differentlyseven years from now than you do
right now?
Yeah, I think so, and it's goodfor us to think through that
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lens as well.
I'm going to be 40 here in amonth and I think differently
than I did when I was 33 andwhen I was 25, and so on and so
forth, and I'm going to thinkdifferently seven, eight years
from now and 20 years from now.
It's a process that God isalways working on me.
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He's pruning me and I'mlearning His Word.
The Word of God is alive andactive, and so every time I read
it, something comes to life.
That's new for me and that's abeautiful thing about the work
of the Holy Spirit in our life.
Also, like you said, zach, ourhomes change.
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We might move to a new homewith a different structure, and
also our homes go underconstruction, and so, similarly
with our faith, there's a rollercoaster at times when something
there's a death in the familyor something doesn't go as
planned and once again, we haveto be reliant in a new way and
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God, he's faithful.
But I think we're in a constantrebuilding, shifting mode.
So this series has been a greatone for me, and this message
itself stood out because, aspeople were arriving for church,
I talked to one young man whosaid as people were arriving for
church, I talked to one youngman who said I don't know, I'm
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really struggling with mypurpose of like, what do I do
with my life?
And this message was reallygood at that.
Okay, so you have a foundation,you've got the cross beam,
you're reliant on Jesus.
Now, what?
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What does it look like?
And this message really helpedgive us some good pictures of
that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah.
So Pastor Greg did that bylooking at three different
things and each one of them hegave us three initials to stand
for each.
So he started with TNT,treasures and treasure.
What did you guys take awayfrom that talk treasures.
I felt like the hoarding storywas quite appropriate because I
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felt like that was very on pointfor collecting earthly
treasures.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, when you treasure everything and I have a
one of my kids is that way myyoungest, the trickster, she
will like doesn't want to getrid of anything, everything's so
important to her, and but whenwe treasure everything, that
clouds our judgment on, like,what's really important.
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Um, yeah, that treasures, andtreasure, um, what really
matters to me, what do I value?
Um, and I I think I have atendency to kind of be similar
to my six-year-old and treasurea lot of things, and it divides
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my attention and can take awayfrom what's really important.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Maybe even some things that Ross stressed for
less Gosh.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I love that place, which you love, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I think so.
There was a period in seminarywhere I was wheeling and dealing
a lot on eBay.
In the early days I had an eBaybusiness and one of the things
that I found that I loved was100% cashmere sweaters and I
could find great deals and soI'd never paid close to full
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price.
So I stockpiled.
So many probably had 15 or 20,hundred percent cashmere
sweaters and then my call was toFlorida where guess what you?
don't need cashmere sweaters,cashmere.
And so they were in a box for11 years while we were there,
and when I moved to Omaha, I waslike you know what, at least
I'll be able to wear my cashmeresweaters again.
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But you know what happened?
What God says don't store upyour treasures on earth where
moths and vermin destroy.
Oh no, there were moths andvermin All these things had
holes in them For real.
Yeah, because they and actuallyI found out those insects
actually like the more finermaterials, so they were for 11
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years just eating on thesethings.
So they were for 11 years justeating on these things.
I'm like, ah, so I have a realstory of like, yeah, that really
does happen.
But I think it's a beautifulpicture of when we place our
value on the things of thisworld.
Like there is an expirationdate to those things.
They'll either get destroyed,get stolen or get auctioned off
(19:30):
things.
They'll either get destroyed,get stolen or get auctioned off,
and and so, rather than placingour hearts into those things,
there's something more powerfulto place our heart in.
Can I share?
There's one cool piece that Ifound that jumped off the page
to me once I knew more about it,and it's in this section, and I
think it makes the differencefor this.
So it's Matthew 6, 22 to 23.
So it's right after thoseverses, the eye is the lamp of
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the body.
If your eyes are healthy, yourwhole body will be full of light
, but if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full
of darkness.
And uh, and the uh underneaththat there's a Hebrew idiom, for
your eyes are healthy, or eyesare unhealthy or good eyes.
Having a good eye, having a badeye.
What it meant was, if you hadgood eyes, that meant you saw
(20:13):
the world with with an abundancemindset, and unhealthy eyes
meant that you see the worldfrom a stingy or a scarcity
mindset and I'd never connectedbecause all this is so much
about money and treasure.
And then there's this weirdverse of like if your eyes are
healthy and unhealthy, I'm like,what is that?
But it actually very much playsinto this section and I think
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it's critical that if you haveeyes of abundance which we ought
to have in Christ, it changesthe way we live and see this
world.
It changes the way we live andsee this world.
But if you have eyes that areunhealthy, a bad eye, scarcity,
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then all these things that it'stalking about the anxiety that
comes later, of like worryingabout tomorrow and clothes and
all that stuff, is more easilycoming in.
And so the real goal here islet's have eyes of abundance, an
abundance mindset, because Godhas provided so much, and even
the next verses where he talksabout peace, out people, the POP
, it's like why would you worrywhen God takes care of the
lilies and the birds and theflowers.
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He will much more take care ofyou because we have a God of
abundance.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So in the old Testament, when it says that uh,
was it Leah?
Leah had weak eyes, Weak eyes.
Is that what that's about?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
She had like a negativity thing.
I think that's the author's wayof saying she had a nice
personality.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, cause I was wondering does she have like a
lazy eye or something?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, I do think weak eyes.
Yeah, lazy eye or something, Idon't know.
Yeah, I do think weak eyes.
Yeah, it wasn't a compliment.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'd have to look back a little bit more, but I've
heard a lot of preachers on Leahthe weak eyes saying that's the
21st century version of sayingyeah, she has a nice personality
.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
She was a woman of God, yeah, something like that
no sparkle.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, you know, they say the eyes are the windows to
the soul.
And the one I jotted down duringthe message our treasures are
reflective of our beliefs.
That that's what Gigi had saidand I really liked that.
I was like, okay, when we lookaround at what it is we collect,
which having earthly treasuresis not bad, god is not saying
you know, you can't haveanything.
But where does the true valuelie?
(22:23):
Yeah, I really liked that.
And talking about loving things.
But Greg kind of shifted itinto loving your neighbor L-Y-N
was his second initials.
Loving your neighbor, talkingabout an abundance of love,
sharing it freely.
Was there something that wasreally convicting or really
tugging at your heartstrings onthis one?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, the convicting.
I mean he said like do you knowtheir name?
Pray for them privately by name, Bless them consistently, Love
them recklessly.
I was like oh boy, over four,so conviction there, and I did
think like what if I did thesethings for my neighbors, my
attitude would shift for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, I was much on the same line as you.
Convicted, uh, it's.
I feel like I've had moments ofstrength of that in my life and
then there's been moments oryears that I've just kind of
fallen into unintentionality andit can easily I can easily,
especially in ministry getsurrounded in a Christian bubble
where all the people that Iknow are Christians.
(23:25):
They're people like you twothat we work with, or people
that go to our church, and soit's an excuse, it's a reality,
but it is an excuse in probablyour particular situations.
But, yeah, very convicted, andthat there's neighbors right
across the street that it wouldbe really wise and very
(23:48):
Jesus-like to love and supportand reach out to in different
ways, in bigger ways than I havepreviously.
Yeah, that was convicting.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, the mark of a disciple is one who does what
Jesus says to do.
Is what Greg had quoted andreally he said there's two
things, Two things.
God lays it out really simplyLove God, love your neighbor.
And I do really well at lovingGod, loving my neighbor not so
much.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, the definition of neighbor is whoever you're
around as well.
So it's not just maybe you'rereally good at living your next
door neighbor and that's great,but whoever you're around.
So it could be that coworkerthat gets on your nerves, it
could be, um, the, the personyou run into regularly at the
gym that you just try to ignorebecause they're going to want to
(24:41):
talk to you again or whateverthat is so your neighbor.
And then, uh, to want to talkto you again or whatever that is
so your neighbor.
And in Jesus he definedneighbor in the Samaritan, like
the person you disagree with, Infact, maybe the person you
vehemently don't like.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, so moving out of loving your neighbor, greg
talked about POP peace outpeople.
He talked about how God doesgive us everything that we need,
you know, and looking at thelilies of the field and the
birds of the sky and how heprovides everything.
And then he kind of related alittle bit of this to our junk
(25:17):
drawers.
Do you guys have a junk drawer?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We do.
Yeah, everybody has one.
He showed a few pictures ofjunk drawers.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
None of those are ours, and there were some very
well-organized junk drawers andthere were some real messy junk
drawers.
What kind of junk drawer, peter?
You have to have a messy one.
We have several.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We have a junk drawer that's full of hairbrushes and
walkie-talkies.
We've got one that's got likeall the um, like the, the nice
one.
It's like I like gift cards,spare cash laying around junk.
It's a treasure chest and thenand then we have one that's just
like batteries.
You don't know which ones workand which ones don't work, cause
(26:00):
the kids just like throw usedbatteries in there.
So annoying, yes, there is thekids just like throw used
batteries in there.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So annoying.
Yes, there are a lot ofannoying things in life.
Batteries that don't work, thatare in your battery section,
that ought to be working, are atotal nuisance.
I hate that.
That has nothing to do withanything, I just need to get it
off my chest.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Thank you.
What is your junk?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
drawer, our junk drawer, is in our kitchen.
Yeah, I know exactly.
It's in our kitchen top drawer.
I think it's moderate in termsof how messy it is every quarter
of a year.
Maybe, alison she's the cleanone in our home, the neat, so
she'll.
She'll organize it everyquarter of a year, but then it
yeah, it gets, gets crazy overthe rest of the quarter of the
year.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You know it's probably in there.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
A Phillips.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
A flathead.
Are you sure it's a Phillips A?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
flathead.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The worst part of my junk drawer is cords to things
that I think I will still need.
Or I find the cord and I don'treally know what it goes to, so
I'm scared to throw it away.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Then they get all tangled with everything else in
the junk drawer.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, 90% of my junk drawer will never get used
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But the 10% that will , it's like oh cool.
I'm glad I hung on to thisRight and the 10%, it could
shift.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, you know, like this season I use this 10%, this
season I use so at max 40% ofthat drawer will ever get used.
Do you feel that way in yourfaith life?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Wow, as you junk drawer are you carrying around
things that are never going toget used.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh, I carry around a lot of useless knowledge and,
yeah, I mean, there's aconviction too, Like what am I
putting in this brain?
That's been a challenge for me.
This year was like a goal forme was to be in God's word more
than social media, and a fewmonths into the year I was like
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I just had to drop one of theplatforms because I was just on
it too much for social media.
And so, yeah, what am I puttingin?
Am I filling my brain with morejunk than treasure?
So good question, Dina.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Thanks, all right.
So, looking at this wholeseries, zach, you preached a lot
of these messages.
What is like the thing thatstuck with you the most of this
whole message, or what spoke toyou the most, or you felt like
it's going to instigate the mostchange.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, there's this question that Greg asked of what
legacy are you leaving Like,what would your neighbors say
about you?
And that is a real test of like.
Am I living a life with thegreatest commodity being faith,
and is it big enough that myneighbors would even care to
notice?
(28:40):
And that doesn't have to looklike a big Jesus banner in my
yard, but it ought to look likewhat Jesus looks like love and
care for those around me.
So that stood out to me a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, for me.
I fell back in love with theSermon on the Mount, run them
out.
It was just one of those reallyawesome moments where I just
got to really, probably forabout a hundred days, just live
in those three chapters and Ifound it to be just incredibly
healing and restorative andhelpful.
(29:19):
So two things on the individualside.
If a disciple is being anddoing like Jesus I'm, I've
reevaluated and and going to bemore intentional about a couple
of practices that I want to bemore, that I want to get better
at, just put it that way.
(29:41):
And so there's some newpractices in my life that I'm
trying out in a new way that Ihope move the needle.
And on a bigger scale, I usuallycreate one large book or series
every year for the greaterchurch and that usually consumes
(30:02):
a lot of my time and attention.
But in addition to that, I feellike once there's a sermon or a
series every year outside ofthat that I didn't plan on
running into and God messingwith me.
And this was the one for methis year to think, from my
discipleship side, of myministry overall to the capital
(30:25):
C church, that there's somethingmore here, that this is a new
way for me to think about it andtalk about it and learn about
it and then tell others about it.
And so I wouldn't be shocked if, in the future, if there's more
, I might even call it redletter summit.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, Zach just wrote Because it's Jesus on the
mountain.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
He just announced his newest book Coming in 2029.
Dropped it but anyway I thinkthere's something there.
I feel God working in my spiritin that, so it was really fun
to be in these three chaptersfor as long as we were.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The nugget that keeps sticking in my brain, as you
said several times, about howthe Sermon on the Mount isn't
about how to get to heaven, it'sabout bringing heaven down to
earth and I just keep like.
My brain has not made it allthe way around that yet, which
is enjoyable to continue tothink on and learn and chew on
God's word and what that meansto you in the day, the week, the
(31:30):
month.
So, that's the one I keep.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I do.
I think it's the primary issuethat most of us are facing in
our nation today is will thosethat believe follow?
And I think it's theopportunity and the challenge,
and I'm all for believing, butbelieving doesn't change anybody
.
Following does right.
(31:53):
It's what I do, for you knowthat someone else see, they
can't see what's going on on theinside, and so the beings are
super important, but it is thedoing as well and letting God
out through that way, and theworld needs to see a fresh
expression of Jesus.
And so anytime you can get kindof a new handle or new metaphor
or new analogy on that, thattimeless truth, and I think we
(32:16):
stumbled into one with the nutsand bolts series and the house
metaphor, like cool, let's getthat out there and try to help
one person catch that.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for being here
today Lovely to talk about withyou.
Beyond, sunday is off next week, so in two weeks we'll return
with our new message, divinginto our Palm Sunday message
that day, which is, you right,zach?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It may be.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It may be You'll have to tune in to find out.
In the meantime, let's keepliving our faith beyond Sunday.
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