October 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Peter, Kate, and Kevin close out the Pardon This Interruption series with a conversation on what it means to pour out costly love in the middle of pain and uncertainty. Looking at Mary’s anointing of Jesus, Roosevelt’s bullet-slowed speech, and scripture as a shield for the heart, they reflect on how worship, integrity, and hope can carry us through suffering and leave a fragrance that lasts beyond the moment.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
I am your host, Dina Newsome.
Just kidding.
It's Peter Bay.
And Dina's gone somewhere.
Do you know where she is?
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Probably a Disney Park.
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Ooh.
SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
Oh, a Disney Park sounds right for Dina.
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Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Top Disney movie.
Go.
SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
Ooh.
The top Disney movie?
SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
Yeah, name one Disney movie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
I think it has to be The Lion King.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
So good.
I know.
Yeah, that's a hard one tocompete against.
Although a Dark Horse for me isHunchback of Notre Dame.
There's that creepy song wherehe's like, Hell's fire.
Desire.
This is all gonna get cut.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Don't edit it anymore.
It's all going in.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
This is going in.
Kate, Disney movie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Um, well, my students used to have to read.
Now I'm not gonna be able tothink of the true title.
The Headless Hortzman.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10):
Ooh.
There's a movie about IchabodCrane?
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Well, welcome to Beyond Sunday.
We're gonna dive into themessage.
Uh, Pastor Seth Flick had hislast week in the pardon, this
interruption.
But before we get into thatcontent, a couple of questions
for you.
Today is National Podcast Day.
Thanks for listening to thispodcast and National Podcast Day
or whenever you're catching it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Is it national or international podcast?
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Oh, it's international.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
It might as well be, honestly.
Let's go.
We run the we run the wholeworld at this point.
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Yeah, there's no fact checkers for this.
So sweet.
Name a podcast that you've beenenjoying lately.
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
Well, it is baseball season for anywhere from one
more day to one more month.
So I've been listening to a Cubspodcast called Lockdown Cubs a
whole lot.
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
And uh tell us about your how are you feeling right
now with your Cubs?
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
We are down zero to one as we are speaking right
now.
Oh boy, you're gonna be sodistracted.
I know.
I know.
No, I'm all in.
I can baseball is a great sportthat you can socialize while you
watch it.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
Yeah, because they play 465 games.
Yeah, exactly.
That's the number.
It's ridiculous.
Kate, uh top podcast from you.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
Um I alternate between um different pre-trayers
across the country that I liketo listen to and true crime.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Nice.
Yeah, I during the season I dohave a fantasy football podcast
that I get into.
Um some people are gonna lovethis, some people are gonna hate
it.
I I don't mind, depending on theum the guest, I'll I'll catch
Joe Rogan.
I think he's a really greatquestion asker, and he brings on
all kinds of crazy people.
(02:57):
So it's so uh I don't mind that,but I do a lot of Audible.
So I'm finding myself shiftingmore over to Audible than
podcasts.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
Love listening to books.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Do you?
SPEAKER_02 (03:06):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good one.
I've listened through the wholeuh Narnia series a couple of
times, so that's just just forfun without my kids.
SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
Yeah, I got to like book five of that one and I
totally lost momentum.
So I'm just waiting to feel theitch and then I'll get back in.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, now Pastor Seth Flakestarted the message talking
about Teddy Roosevelt and uh howthere's an attempted
assassination.
He was shot, but he didn't diesomehow.
(03:38):
We'll get to that later.
And he got up and he was like,said something like, the speech
is still gonna happen.
Takes more than that to put downa bull moose.
Something like that.
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Such a wild way to start aspeech.
Um, but it made me wonderpresidents, uh, some of your
favorite presidents of all time,and why?
(03:58):
Who do you got?
Or just name one, that's fine,or several.
SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
So I did uh uh a report in like middle school on
Thomas Jefferson and learned somuch about him, especially the
fact that he's the one who whouh signed the the purchase or
whatever to get LouisianaPurchase.
Yeah, Louisiana Purchase to getthis land.
And so for whatever reason, eversince then, like, well, that's
my guy, obviously.
(04:24):
So I'm a TJ guy.
I'm a TJ guy.
Yeah.
How could you not be?
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
I feel like I should break out in song from Hamilton.
SPEAKER_01 (04:32):
I've never seen Hamilton.
Is Hamilton about TJ?
SPEAKER_00 (04:35):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
I love that our worship director hasn't seen it.
I haven't seen it either.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
What is a music media?
SPEAKER_01 (04:41):
I started it and it was so boring.
unknown (04:43):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
It was miserable.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Oh, just put on the music while you're driving.
You need to know the music firstand then watch.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
I don't know.
We're so busy listening tobooks.
I I have heard Peter Clempsrendition about Martin Luther
from the same songs a coupletimes.
Doesn't count.
Well, he's amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
So I wouldn't disagree with that, but there's
such a small population ofpeople who listen to this
podcast that know what you'retalking about.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
That's right.
You can catch it next year atConcordia's Oktoberfest one year
from now.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
The Schnitzels also perform that night, also.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Yep, the Pokeband, the Schnitzels.
So did you so who's yourpresident?
SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Well, I wanted to go last because I wanted to talk
more about Teddy Roosevelt.
So you go.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Okay, I'll go then.
Um yeah, this is actually atough one for me.
Uh I I would not say I'm a muchof a historian, um, but I mean,
I think it was cool that Reaganwas an actor who became a
president, so that's prettycool.
(05:50):
A lot of people still love him,talk about him, his economics.
Um there's like some in one ofmy kids' books, there's one of
the presidents who was likesuper overweight, and people
call him lazy all the time.
I thought, like, good for him.
Like, way to overachieve.
So I could really connect withthat guy.
(06:12):
And uh, so but I'd say my numberone favorite uh for no good
reason.
Let's go.
Man, when when Bush, which Bushavoided the shoe?
SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
That was George W.
Yeah, yeah.
He had the two shoes thrown athim.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
The double both the double shoe duck.
I remember that, and then justkept doing his job.
He can have my vote.
What do you got, Kate?
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
So I taught fifth grade many years, which is U.S.
history in fifth grade.
You learn U.S.
history for the first time.
And we did uh quite a bit of astudy on Theodore Roosevelt.
Oh, because he is the maybe oneof the main presidents who set
up our national park system.
unknown (06:58):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
And I don't know if you're familiar with, I always
want to say David Muir, but it'sJohn Muir.
John Muir.
SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
Yep.
We had a John Muir park in GreenBay growing up.
SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Yeah, because he was actually born in Scotland and
then moved to Wisconsin and wentto school in Madison.
But anyway, he loved theoutdoors.
He was a conservationist, he wasan environmentalist, and he
convinced Teddy Roosevelt to goon a three-day campaign with him
to Yosemite, which he loved.
(07:28):
And um, so Teddy Rooseveltshowed up with his entourage,
and um John Muir was like, nope,excuse me, the two of us, we're
roughing it.
And they like camped in tentsand there was a snowstorm, but
he realized why John Muir likeloved Yosemite and thought it
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was like an outdoor cathedral.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Yeah, and so he signed into Congress, like
protection of the National Parksland.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
So Teddy did all this, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:03):
What probably mostly because of John Muir.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
John Muir, what a guy.
Yeah.
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
Who was the president that only made it like
a month?
Was that Taft or something?
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
Taft I I I wanted to say Taft was the big guy.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
Oh, maybe Taft was the big guy.
There was there was onepresident who was only president
for like a month and then hedied.
Man, that's tough.
I know, but he clearly didn't doanything wrong.
Yeah.
Might have been the mostsuccessful president of all
time, if you think about it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
I mean you checking it, you're looking it up.
I feel like you could also thinkabout the other way.
SPEAKER_02 (08:40):
You could.
He did nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yes, the least successful.
Who is it?
What do we got?
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
William Henry Harrison.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:48):
That's who it was.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
32 days.
SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Well done.
Well done, Harrison.
SPEAKER_00 (08:54):
I could handle it.
And never mind, I couldn't.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Anyway.
So um let's get this kicked offwith uh really what stood out to
you from the message on Sunday.
SPEAKER_02 (09:09):
So I took uh a quick note.
Let me see.
There was a quote and it a quotefrom from Seth.
Um I don't know if he wasquoting somebody else or where
this came from, but it was a itwas a really good little nugget
for me that he said pain is notan excuse for a detour, but the
highway to your destination.
And I really appreciated that.
(09:30):
Um, you know, that the thetakeaway for this for this week
um was sometimes you just gottaplay hurt.
And so to be able to to kind ofhave these things to cling on to
and also to see pain not assomething to um run away from or
in this case an excuse for adetour, um, but instead
(09:52):
something to work through and touse as as the road to the next
thing.
Um yeah, that stuck out to me.
That was something Ispecifically stopped and wrote
down because I was like, that'sa that's a good note.
I think I needed that for thisweek.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Agree.
Um just the breaking of thealabaster jar is very dynamic
and impressive.
And I would hope that I wouldhave a similar response coming
face to face with Jesus, but Idon't know.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, that was a cool thing.
I mean, the whole theme for themessage was what do you do when
your life is interrupted bypain?
Uh, what do you do when yourpain um or when your plans are
interrupted by fear?
And uh Pastor Seth got into thatBible event of Mary, the sister
(10:49):
of Lazarus, and that incrediblyexpensive jar of perfume.
Um, but yeah, that one of thethings that Pastor Seth did was
he showed a picture of that jar.
It didn't have a lid, it didn'thave a cork.
It's not like you could use partof it and save the rest.
You broke it and it was one-timeuse.
Right.
(11:09):
Holy smokes.
So that yeah, that was that wasa cool hip bit of historical
knowledge picked up there.
Um yeah, I I really appreciatedthat thought of like Jesus knew
the pain was coming and hedidn't avoid it, and he knew he
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must withstand it for you andfor me.
Um and because of that, I thinkmy tendency is to avoid pain.
If I'm if I'm sore, I take anibuprofen.
If I'm um if something's hard, Itry to find an easier way to do
(11:52):
it.
And uh, but there are areas inlife where it's just part of
life.
And the quote that you gave,Kevin, I think that is a really
beautiful quote because it'slike in order to get where you
need to go, oftentimes if it'sworth it, you're gonna go
through some pain to get there.
Uh rather than like, it's not adetour.
No, this is right on the path.
(12:15):
So yeah, that's good stuff.
So Jesus knew that his pain uhwas coming and it would be
brutal, yet he sustained it forus.
How does this help you with thepain that you face?
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
I think the older you get, the more you're not
surprised by when the pain showsup.
SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
Well, you're just more likely I don't know.
I feel like I'm at the age whereyou like sometimes you can
actually get injured in yoursleep.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you wake up and your hiphurts.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
That's ridiculous.
Like, I don't know.
Like, and it's like, okay, thisis just gonna be part of the
day.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
Yeah, it doesn't go away either.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
So Kevin, are you that old yet?
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
Yes.
I wake up, I wake up and if I ifmy back was anything other than
perfectly straight, I am sorefor several hours.
My neck is all whack and allthat.
So yes, I I experienced thattoo, even in my 30s.
SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
You got a long way to go.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Um yeah, I think uh for me, the experience of pain
in light of the gospel.
Um, number one, it always givesme hope.
And I think that's the thingthat really like sticks out to
me is even in my pain, I canhave hope.
Even when things are difficult,even when things are
challenging, even when things gothe opposite way than I than I
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would hope for.
Um I can always have hope and Ican always have trust in a plan
that's greater than mine.
And that's been, you know, uh Ican't imagine living a life that
you don't have that.
I've, you know, I've followedJesus since I was a teenager.
So for me, it's like even beforethat, but like really like
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intentionally since I was ateenager.
And my whole like life, I'vebeen able to lean into that.
And there's things in my lifethat I'm like, how would I have
ever gone through that withouthope in Christ and without the
gospel?
And I cannot even fathom that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Would either of you be willing to give a time when
you went through pain and howGod sustained you?
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Well, for me, I mean, there was uh we shared my
story of healing here at King ofKings um a while back.
Um I was diagnosed with aneurological disorder called
myasthenia gravis, which is uhthe quick, easy way to explain
it is my brain tries to transmita signal to my body, and my
body, the signal doesn't get towhere it needs to go.
(15:02):
So my fingers wouldn't wouldn'tgrab, um, my my mouth wouldn't
smile, um, my legs would giveout, all those kinds of things.
And I there were definitelymoments of uncertainty and there
was moments of fear, like youcan't sing, um, you can't uh
(15:22):
play guitar, you can't, like Icouldn't do any of the things
that I do for a living now,which is crazy.
Um but I was I was brought to apoint of saying, okay, well, if
that's God's perfect plan for mylife, then I'm going to lean
into that and trust him becausehis plan is better than mine.
(15:42):
And, you know, um, I'm extremelygrateful that I've was on the
other side of that with healing,able to do those things again in
remission from that.
Um, but like, you know, you goup and you you have the ups and
downs of that, right?
Like that pain was there andthat like frustration and
suffering and um some reallydeep soul-level uh uh trauma,
(16:11):
probably.
Um, but also going through thethe stages of grief and and
finding that place ofacceptance.
Um that was really important forme to be able to say, well, this
could be what it is.
And several months went by of,well, this is my life.
And we were able to manage itwith medication and stuff like
that, that I could still do somethings, but it wasn't the same
(16:33):
as before.
And now on the other side ofthat, um any suffering I have is
in light of that experience.
And so I can always say anythingit can can go wrong.
Um, but I've already seen whatthis looks like and I've already
accepted that God's plan isbetter than mine.
And so I can I can experiencethat that too and and trust him
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in that.
And it sounds um, it soundscrazy, and it also is almost
like, well, yeah, but you cameout on the other end of it.
But I also was willing to acceptthat if I wouldn't have.
So um, yeah, I think just beable to trust in the Lord,
knowing that his plan is goodand uh that he will carry me
(17:18):
through it, maybe not to theother side on this side of
eternity, but he'll carry me nomatter what.
And I I needed that during thattime of my life.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
You mentioned early in that that if it was God's
perfect plan for you to havethat, um for the listener who
says, Why would God plan for meto experience pain and loss?
Is that what you meant, or whatwould you say to that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:47):
So there's a really like deep theological concept um
wrapped up into that.
Does God actually cause pain inour lives?
Um and without I I feel likethat's that's for a different
podcast episode if someonewanted to really get the deep
dive on that.
But I would go as far as to say,um, I don't know if God causes
(18:08):
pain, but God allows us to gothrough any circumstance.
His promise is that he'll bethere with us no matter what.
And so um what that can mean ishe actually isn't allowing us to
go through pain other than thefact that it's for our benefit.
Or you could make the other casethat um that pain like is so uh
(18:32):
uh uh death loses its sting,right, with the gospel.
Well, pain also like sufferingloses its its harshness when you
have hope on the other side ofit.
So yeah, I mean, uh I feel likethat's such a that's such a
tightrope to walk in aconversation, uh, depending on
who's asking it.
And I would want to like have apersonal conversation with that.
(18:55):
For me in my story, um, I don'tknow if God caused it, but I can
certainly like affirm the factthat he he walked, he carried me
through it.
And um, yeah, that waslife-changing.
Um, and it comes up with myfamily all the time, you know.
Like that's a thing that that mymom or my wife, or um, my kids
(19:17):
aren't really around yet, but myw my mom or my wife will bring
it up.
Like, well, what if that comesback again?
And I go, Yeah, well, I I trustGod's good.
And that's that's the end of itfor me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:30):
Kate, you want to tell a pain story?
People love telling painstories.
SPEAKER_00 (19:36):
Um, well, I did.
Most people know I've beenthrough treatment for breast
cancer in 2017, and I wasteaching third grade that year,
and so I had to make thedecision.
You know, most employers aregood.
They're like, how do you want todeal with this?
And um, I decided to keepteaching while I was getting
(19:57):
treatment, mostly because mydaughter was also in third grade
that year.
And she was not in my class, butshe was in the classroom next
door.
So I know it would be verydifferent, difficult for her to
go to school every day withoutme next door.
So basically, I just missed thedays where I had chemotherapy
(20:17):
treatment at the hospital.
And so I felt crummy for aboutsix months while that was going
on.
And my coworkers were wonderful.
My principal did my recessduties during the cold winter
months, which was a gift.
And um, I don't that group ofthird graders, they I I would, I
(20:40):
don't know what they took away.
I still taught the curriculum,but it was not to 100%.
But they watched, you know, theywatched their teacher lose her
hair, you know, and feel crummy.
And it was funny.
Some days I'd wear a wig and youknow, there'd always be one
student like, did that grow backlast night?
You know, because it's just thatage where you're just not sure.
(21:02):
Um but again, like Kevin said, Ifelt like the Lord was with me
through the whole time.
Um He was a constant source ofrefuge when I felt fear.
Um and he saw me through andallowed me to be healed, which
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I'm thankful for.
SPEAKER_01 (21:29):
So we mentioned earlier that uh part of the the
message was telling the Bibleevent about Mary, the sister of
Lazarus.
Um Lazarus the leper.
Who was he a leper at this timeor had he been healed?
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
I would guess he'd been healed if Jesus was at his
house.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
Right, probably.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Lazarus the leper.
SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
Like that was his nickname.
What a terrible nickname.
Right.
He never escaped that one.
Yeah.
What up, Lip?
unknown (22:00):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
That's terrible, right?
So he's so Mary, the sister ofLazarus the Leper, whom Jesus
had healed or was about to heal.
Um, you guys can fact check thatat home and let us know.
Uh she gave this incredible,fragrant offering.
What stood out to you about thatBible event?
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
I thought it was pretty amazing.
Just the two the contrast of theouter and the inner.
So the religious leaders werelooking for a way to capture and
kill Jesus because they didn'twant to deal with an uprising
while Mary was taking such alavish gift to pour out on him.
(22:51):
And that's I don't know ifthere's a bigger contrast.
Um, but I never thought abouthow he probably could smell that
fragrance while he was on thecross.
Like that was so powerful to me.
And and I don't think he couldhave smelled that fragrance
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without thinking about her faiththat c that prompted her to do
that.
And I thought, wow, that'simpressive.
SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
Yeah.
I don't uh remember exactly howSeth said it, um, but he he
talked about the word that wasused for um the use of of the
the oil.
Um and he broke it down and I Iforget exactly the word he used,
but I've I've I know I've alsoread it in certain translations
(23:43):
that uses the word wasted, thatit was wasted on him.
And I thought that's such aninteresting uh word because it's
absolutely not wasted when it'sused for worship.
It's not wasted when it it's itswhole purpose is for anointing.
Um but it was absolutelycompletely used up.
(24:04):
You can't you can't reuse it.
It's that's done.
That's that's all of it.
And um as a worship leader andas a song leader and um as a
musician, for me, like wheneveryou sing a song, you can't reuse
that moment of singing.
Like you can reuse the song, youcan sing the song again,
obviously, but you can only singit that one time.
(24:27):
That one time.
That's this moment.
You can't get this moment back.
And it's it's similar, I feellike, in that way, where I go,
okay, this is, you know, Sundaymorning at uh 11.08.
We're singing this song.
I'm never gonna be back to thatSunday morning at 11.08, singing
(24:47):
this exact song with all of mylife experiences and this group
of people in this startarrangement ever again.
It's all right here and rightnow.
And so this moment is absolutelyholy and special and set apart
and um for for this time.
And so the parallel for me onthat um is really, really
meaningful and and I I haveloved the story for a long time.
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Um, it just sticks out a lot tome.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Yeah, those are beautiful takeaways that she
poured out entirely thatincredibly expensive, was it a
year's wages?
Goodness.
And then just moments later,Christ would pour out entirely
his blood for us, shedperfectly.
(25:33):
Like his last words on thecross, that to telestai, paid in
full.
Um, and then hearkening back tothat incredibly expensive
payment that she gave um to togive Jesus that gift.
There's there's so manybeautiful ties in that Bible
(25:54):
event.
Um, but I I really appreciatedthe the way that Seth, Pastor
Seth, talked about that andraised it up.
And like you said, that Jesuswas stripped of everything.
But on the cross, he still borethe smell from that incredible
gift.
So Teddy Roosevelt, so he's shoton the way up to giving a
(26:17):
speech.
He still gives a speech, sayssomething about being a bull
moose.
And uh the way Seth said it wasTeddy was saved by a collection
of words covering his heart.
How does this thought impactyou?
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
Oh, I I love the way that Seth said that.
That was very um very poetic.
Um and for us to do the samething with the word of God, um,
that was you know what Seth wasgetting at is it reminds me of
um I forget if if if uh uh wherethis is at, but it's just hiding
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the word of God in your heart.
Um you know that's such acritical piece of following
Jesus is being able to then likebe reminded in the moment of
something, you know, a proverbor a psalm or a statement from
Jesus or um a story or whatever,whatever it might be, being able
(27:20):
to have that tucked away.
I I just I find a lot of peacebeing able to be easily reminded
of the truths of God's word.
And umce again, I think that,you know, to bring that full
circle for me and my story isbeing able to lean on the truth
that God is good no matter what.
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It actually reminds me of umShadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
when they're about to be throwninto the furnace.
And the uh the the last thingsthat they that the last thing
that they they say to the kingis, we believe that our God's
going to deliver us, but even ifhe doesn't, he's still good.
(28:00):
And um that story has rung truefor me.
It I'm reminded of itconstantly.
I I don't know if I go more thana week without thinking about
that exact phrase.
And uh it it means a whole lotto me.
And that's just one example ofjust hiding God's word in your
heart.
Like you just you can't lose itor forget it.
That one it just it just sticks.
(28:22):
And um, yeah, I think being ableto protect your own heart
because God's placed his word onit, uh, and and being able to
refer to it quickly and easilyjust makes a big difference.
SPEAKER_00 (28:34):
I want to say something about that scripture
that's crazy.
I was just thinking about thatscripture, Kevin, because I had
one student in that third gradeclass, and this is public
school.
So, you know, people ofdifferent faiths.
But this um student and hisparents were strong Christian
believers and they didn't knowmy faith.
But he felt prompted by the Lordto write me a letter once I had
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told the kids that I wasdiagnosed, that he and his
family were praying for myhealing.
And he said, the Lord led him tothat story in the Old Testament.
And he said, We are praying,like Shadrach, Meshach, and
Abednego went into the fire,that you are going to go into
the fire of chemo, that the fireis going to burn the cancer, and
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that what you walk and when youwalk out of the fire, there will
not even be the scent of smokeon you.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
And that there will not even be the scent of cancer
on you when you come out oftreatment.
And I took that letter, thatemail to chemo and kept it in my
bag.
And when I was discouraged and Ifelt like terrible, I would get
it out and read it becausethere's power in the words of
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scripture.
Yeah.
And when we are down and low,that's why we need our community
to remind us of the goodness ofGod and what God has done
throughout history.
To save and protect and carrythrough people in difficult
circumstances.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
And what a beautiful picture of the sovereignty of
God using an unbelieving thirdgrader to bring his true and
active alive word.
Right.
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Yeah.
I'll never forget those people.
SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yeah.
I also this just popped in myhead just now.
You know, the whole thought ofuh Luke one in the beginning was
the word and the word was God.
Um oh my goodness.
John one.
Yeah, John one.
I I said Luke one and then gotso distracted by the fact that I
said that wrong, I couldn't evenquote it right.
But anyway, Jesus is the word.
That's the quick version.
(30:41):
And him being the word residingin your heart, quote unquote,
and covering you with hisrighteousness, it's just like
that very next level of like,well, I'm protected no matter
what.
Even if this earthly body failsme, like my heart's covered with
the word.
He's there and he's not lettingme go.
SPEAKER_00 (31:03):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
That's sweet.
That's sweet.
Um, the verse that Kevin wasreferring to earlier, Psalm 119,
11, I've hidden your word in myheart that I might not sin
against you.
Really just using God's word toguide us and shape us um so that
we can walk faithfully with him.
And that's old testament, and weget to do it from the
perspective of the New Testamentof like Christ has paid for it.
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His blood paid for it and washedus clean.
And um because of that, we havevictory for all eternity.
We get to live from thatregardless of what we're going
through.
So, what do you do when yourlife is interrupted by pain?
Hope you've enjoyed thisconversation.
Um, discuss it with yourfriends, ask similar type
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questions, see what your kidshave to say about it, and uh
keep these conversations goingbeyond Sunday all the week,
Monday included.
Is that how it goes?
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
No idea.
No, but before you sign out,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
What's up?
SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
Uh in Mark 14, Jesus was in Bethany at the home of
Simon, a man who had previouslyhad leprosy.
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Just to clarify that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
Did I say Peter the leper?
Who did I say?
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
I think you said Lazarus.
Lazarus.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Lazarus.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay, so it's not Lazarus theleper, it's Simon the leper.
Simon the leper.
SPEAKER_00 (32:32):
Yeah, and he had previously had leprosy.
So just to clarify.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
Yeah.
You know, I'm glad you factchecked that, although I felt
like we were on a real high.
And then you really brought theenergy down with the fact check.
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
I apologize.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
But no, that's that's actually really good.
I definitely was wrong on everyaccount.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
And let's keep on taking our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
I am your host, Dina Newsome.
Just kidding.
It's Peter Bay.
And Dina's gone somewhere.
Do you know where she is?
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Probably a Disney Park.
SPEAKER_01 (00:18):
Ooh.
SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
Oh, a Disney Park sounds right for Dina.
SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Top Disney movie.
Go.
SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
Ooh.
The top Disney movie?
SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
Yeah, name one Disney movie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
I think it has to be The Lion King.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
So good.
I know.
Yeah, that's a hard one tocompete against.
Although a Dark Horse for me isHunchback of Notre Dame.
There's that creepy song wherehe's like, Hell's fire.
Desire.
This is all gonna get cut.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Don't edit it anymore.
It's all going in.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
This is going in.
Kate, Disney movie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Um, well, my students used to have to read.
Now I'm not gonna be able tothink of the true title.
The Headless Hortzman.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10):
Ooh.
There's a movie about IchabodCrane?
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Well, welcome to Beyond Sunday.
We're gonna dive into themessage.
Uh, Pastor Seth Flick had hislast week in the pardon, this
interruption.
But before we get into thatcontent, a couple of questions
for you.
Today is National Podcast Day.
Thanks for listening to thispodcast and National Podcast Day
or whenever you're catching it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Is it national or international podcast?
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Oh, it's international.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
It might as well be, honestly.
Let's go.
We run the we run the wholeworld at this point.
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Yeah, there's no fact checkers for this.
So sweet.
Name a podcast that you've beenenjoying lately.
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
Well, it is baseball season for anywhere from one
more day to one more month.
So I've been listening to a Cubspodcast called Lockdown Cubs a
whole lot.
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
And uh tell us about your how are you feeling right
now with your Cubs?
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
We are down zero to one as we are speaking right
now.
Oh boy, you're gonna be sodistracted.
I know.
I know.
No, I'm all in.
I can baseball is a great sportthat you can socialize while you
watch it.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
Yeah, because they play 465 games.
Yeah, exactly.
That's the number.
It's ridiculous.
Kate, uh top podcast from you.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
Um I alternate between um different pre-trayers
across the country that I liketo listen to and true crime.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Nice.
Yeah, I during the season I dohave a fantasy football podcast
that I get into.
Um some people are gonna lovethis, some people are gonna hate
it.
I I don't mind, depending on theum the guest, I'll I'll catch
Joe Rogan.
I think he's a really greatquestion asker, and he brings on
all kinds of crazy people.
(02:57):
So it's so uh I don't mind that,but I do a lot of Audible.
So I'm finding myself shiftingmore over to Audible than
podcasts.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
Love listening to books.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Do you?
SPEAKER_02 (03:06):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good one.
I've listened through the wholeuh Narnia series a couple of
times, so that's just just forfun without my kids.
SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
Yeah, I got to like book five of that one and I
totally lost momentum.
So I'm just waiting to feel theitch and then I'll get back in.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, now Pastor Seth Flakestarted the message talking
about Teddy Roosevelt and uh howthere's an attempted
assassination.
He was shot, but he didn't diesomehow.
(03:38):
We'll get to that later.
And he got up and he was like,said something like, the speech
is still gonna happen.
Takes more than that to put downa bull moose.
Something like that.
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Such a wild way to start aspeech.
Um, but it made me wonderpresidents, uh, some of your
favorite presidents of all time,and why?
(03:58):
Who do you got?
Or just name one, that's fine,or several.
SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
So I did uh uh a report in like middle school on
Thomas Jefferson and learned somuch about him, especially the
fact that he's the one who whouh signed the the purchase or
whatever to get LouisianaPurchase.
Yeah, Louisiana Purchase to getthis land.
And so for whatever reason, eversince then, like, well, that's
my guy, obviously.
(04:24):
So I'm a TJ guy.
I'm a TJ guy.
Yeah.
How could you not be?
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
I feel like I should break out in song from Hamilton.
SPEAKER_01 (04:32):
I've never seen Hamilton.
Is Hamilton about TJ?
SPEAKER_00 (04:35):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
I love that our worship director hasn't seen it.
I haven't seen it either.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
What is a music media?
SPEAKER_01 (04:41):
I started it and it was so boring.
unknown (04:43):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
It was miserable.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Oh, just put on the music while you're driving.
You need to know the music firstand then watch.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
I don't know.
We're so busy listening tobooks.
I I have heard Peter Clempsrendition about Martin Luther
from the same songs a coupletimes.
Doesn't count.
Well, he's amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
So I wouldn't disagree with that, but there's
such a small population ofpeople who listen to this
podcast that know what you'retalking about.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
That's right.
You can catch it next year atConcordia's Oktoberfest one year
from now.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
The Schnitzels also perform that night, also.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Yep, the Pokeband, the Schnitzels.
So did you so who's yourpresident?
SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Well, I wanted to go last because I wanted to talk
more about Teddy Roosevelt.
So you go.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Okay, I'll go then.
Um yeah, this is actually atough one for me.
Uh I I would not say I'm a muchof a historian, um, but I mean,
I think it was cool that Reaganwas an actor who became a
president, so that's prettycool.
(05:50):
A lot of people still love him,talk about him, his economics.
Um there's like some in one ofmy kids' books, there's one of
the presidents who was likesuper overweight, and people
call him lazy all the time.
I thought, like, good for him.
Like, way to overachieve.
So I could really connect withthat guy.
(06:12):
And uh, so but I'd say my numberone favorite uh for no good
reason.
Let's go.
Man, when when Bush, which Bushavoided the shoe?
SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
That was George W.
Yeah, yeah.
He had the two shoes thrown athim.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
The double both the double shoe duck.
I remember that, and then justkept doing his job.
He can have my vote.
What do you got, Kate?
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
So I taught fifth grade many years, which is U.S.
history in fifth grade.
You learn U.S.
history for the first time.
And we did uh quite a bit of astudy on Theodore Roosevelt.
Oh, because he is the maybe oneof the main presidents who set
up our national park system.
unknown (06:58):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
And I don't know if you're familiar with, I always
want to say David Muir, but it'sJohn Muir.
John Muir.
SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
Yep.
We had a John Muir park in GreenBay growing up.
SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Yeah, because he was actually born in Scotland and
then moved to Wisconsin and wentto school in Madison.
But anyway, he loved theoutdoors.
He was a conservationist, he wasan environmentalist, and he
convinced Teddy Roosevelt to goon a three-day campaign with him
to Yosemite, which he loved.
(07:28):
And um, so Teddy Rooseveltshowed up with his entourage,
and um John Muir was like, nope,excuse me, the two of us, we're
roughing it.
And they like camped in tentsand there was a snowstorm, but
he realized why John Muir likeloved Yosemite and thought it
(07:50):
was like an outdoor cathedral.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Yeah, and so he signed into Congress, like
protection of the National Parksland.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
So Teddy did all this, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:03):
What probably mostly because of John Muir.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
John Muir, what a guy.
Yeah.
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
Who was the president that only made it like
a month?
Was that Taft or something?
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
Taft I I I wanted to say Taft was the big guy.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
Oh, maybe Taft was the big guy.
There was there was onepresident who was only president
for like a month and then hedied.
Man, that's tough.
I know, but he clearly didn't doanything wrong.
Yeah.
Might have been the mostsuccessful president of all
time, if you think about it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
I mean you checking it, you're looking it up.
I feel like you could also thinkabout the other way.
SPEAKER_02 (08:40):
You could.
He did nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yes, the least successful.
Who is it?
What do we got?
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
William Henry Harrison.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:48):
That's who it was.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
32 days.
SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Well done.
Well done, Harrison.
SPEAKER_00 (08:54):
I could handle it.
And never mind, I couldn't.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Anyway.
So um let's get this kicked offwith uh really what stood out to
you from the message on Sunday.
SPEAKER_02 (09:09):
So I took uh a quick note.
Let me see.
There was a quote and it a quotefrom from Seth.
Um I don't know if he wasquoting somebody else or where
this came from, but it was a itwas a really good little nugget
for me that he said pain is notan excuse for a detour, but the
highway to your destination.
And I really appreciated that.
(09:30):
Um, you know, that the thetakeaway for this for this week
um was sometimes you just gottaplay hurt.
And so to be able to to kind ofhave these things to cling on to
and also to see pain not assomething to um run away from or
in this case an excuse for adetour, um, but instead
(09:52):
something to work through and touse as as the road to the next
thing.
Um yeah, that stuck out to me.
That was something Ispecifically stopped and wrote
down because I was like, that'sa that's a good note.
I think I needed that for thisweek.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Agree.
Um just the breaking of thealabaster jar is very dynamic
and impressive.
And I would hope that I wouldhave a similar response coming
face to face with Jesus, but Idon't know.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, that was a cool thing.
I mean, the whole theme for themessage was what do you do when
your life is interrupted bypain?
Uh, what do you do when yourpain um or when your plans are
interrupted by fear?
And uh Pastor Seth got into thatBible event of Mary, the sister
(10:49):
of Lazarus, and that incrediblyexpensive jar of perfume.
Um, but yeah, that one of thethings that Pastor Seth did was
he showed a picture of that jar.
It didn't have a lid, it didn'thave a cork.
It's not like you could use partof it and save the rest.
You broke it and it was one-timeuse.
Right.
(11:09):
Holy smokes.
So that yeah, that was that wasa cool hip bit of historical
knowledge picked up there.
Um yeah, I I really appreciatedthat thought of like Jesus knew
the pain was coming and hedidn't avoid it, and he knew he
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must withstand it for you andfor me.
Um and because of that, I thinkmy tendency is to avoid pain.
If I'm if I'm sore, I take anibuprofen.
If I'm um if something's hard, Itry to find an easier way to do
(11:52):
it.
And uh, but there are areas inlife where it's just part of
life.
And the quote that you gave,Kevin, I think that is a really
beautiful quote because it'slike in order to get where you
need to go, oftentimes if it'sworth it, you're gonna go
through some pain to get there.
Uh rather than like, it's not adetour.
No, this is right on the path.
(12:15):
So yeah, that's good stuff.
So Jesus knew that his pain uhwas coming and it would be
brutal, yet he sustained it forus.
How does this help you with thepain that you face?
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
I think the older you get, the more you're not
surprised by when the pain showsup.
SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
Well, you're just more likely I don't know.
I feel like I'm at the age whereyou like sometimes you can
actually get injured in yoursleep.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you wake up and your hiphurts.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
That's ridiculous.
Like, I don't know.
Like, and it's like, okay, thisis just gonna be part of the
day.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
Yeah, it doesn't go away either.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
So Kevin, are you that old yet?
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
Yes.
I wake up, I wake up and if I ifmy back was anything other than
perfectly straight, I am sorefor several hours.
My neck is all whack and allthat.
So yes, I I experienced thattoo, even in my 30s.
SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
You got a long way to go.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Um yeah, I think uh for me, the experience of pain
in light of the gospel.
Um, number one, it always givesme hope.
And I think that's the thingthat really like sticks out to
me is even in my pain, I canhave hope.
Even when things are difficult,even when things are
challenging, even when things gothe opposite way than I than I
(13:51):
would hope for.
Um I can always have hope and Ican always have trust in a plan
that's greater than mine.
And that's been, you know, uh Ican't imagine living a life that
you don't have that.
I've, you know, I've followedJesus since I was a teenager.
So for me, it's like even beforethat, but like really like
(14:12):
intentionally since I was ateenager.
And my whole like life, I'vebeen able to lean into that.
And there's things in my lifethat I'm like, how would I have
ever gone through that withouthope in Christ and without the
gospel?
And I cannot even fathom that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Would either of you be willing to give a time when
you went through pain and howGod sustained you?
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Well, for me, I mean, there was uh we shared my
story of healing here at King ofKings um a while back.
Um I was diagnosed with aneurological disorder called
myasthenia gravis, which is uhthe quick, easy way to explain
it is my brain tries to transmita signal to my body, and my
body, the signal doesn't get towhere it needs to go.
(15:02):
So my fingers wouldn't wouldn'tgrab, um, my my mouth wouldn't
smile, um, my legs would giveout, all those kinds of things.
And I there were definitelymoments of uncertainty and there
was moments of fear, like youcan't sing, um, you can't uh
(15:22):
play guitar, you can't, like Icouldn't do any of the things
that I do for a living now,which is crazy.
Um but I was I was brought to apoint of saying, okay, well, if
that's God's perfect plan for mylife, then I'm going to lean
into that and trust him becausehis plan is better than mine.
(15:42):
And, you know, um, I'm extremelygrateful that I've was on the
other side of that with healing,able to do those things again in
remission from that.
Um, but like, you know, you goup and you you have the ups and
downs of that, right?
Like that pain was there andthat like frustration and
suffering and um some reallydeep soul-level uh uh trauma,
(16:11):
probably.
Um, but also going through thethe stages of grief and and
finding that place ofacceptance.
Um that was really important forme to be able to say, well, this
could be what it is.
And several months went by of,well, this is my life.
And we were able to manage itwith medication and stuff like
that, that I could still do somethings, but it wasn't the same
(16:33):
as before.
And now on the other side ofthat, um any suffering I have is
in light of that experience.
And so I can always say anythingit can can go wrong.
Um, but I've already seen whatthis looks like and I've already
accepted that God's plan isbetter than mine.
And so I can I can experiencethat that too and and trust him
(16:57):
in that.
And it sounds um, it soundscrazy, and it also is almost
like, well, yeah, but you cameout on the other end of it.
But I also was willing to acceptthat if I wouldn't have.
So um, yeah, I think just beable to trust in the Lord,
knowing that his plan is goodand uh that he will carry me
(17:18):
through it, maybe not to theother side on this side of
eternity, but he'll carry me nomatter what.
And I I needed that during thattime of my life.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
You mentioned early in that that if it was God's
perfect plan for you to havethat, um for the listener who
says, Why would God plan for meto experience pain and loss?
Is that what you meant, or whatwould you say to that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:47):
So there's a really like deep theological concept um
wrapped up into that.
Does God actually cause pain inour lives?
Um and without I I feel likethat's that's for a different
podcast episode if someonewanted to really get the deep
dive on that.
But I would go as far as to say,um, I don't know if God causes
(18:08):
pain, but God allows us to gothrough any circumstance.
His promise is that he'll bethere with us no matter what.
And so um what that can mean ishe actually isn't allowing us to
go through pain other than thefact that it's for our benefit.
Or you could make the other casethat um that pain like is so uh
(18:32):
uh uh death loses its sting,right, with the gospel.
Well, pain also like sufferingloses its its harshness when you
have hope on the other side ofit.
So yeah, I mean, uh I feel likethat's such a that's such a
tightrope to walk in aconversation, uh, depending on
who's asking it.
And I would want to like have apersonal conversation with that.
(18:55):
For me in my story, um, I don'tknow if God caused it, but I can
certainly like affirm the factthat he he walked, he carried me
through it.
And um, yeah, that waslife-changing.
Um, and it comes up with myfamily all the time, you know.
Like that's a thing that that mymom or my wife, or um, my kids
(19:17):
aren't really around yet, but myw my mom or my wife will bring
it up.
Like, well, what if that comesback again?
And I go, Yeah, well, I I trustGod's good.
And that's that's the end of itfor me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:30):
Kate, you want to tell a pain story?
People love telling painstories.
SPEAKER_00 (19:36):
Um, well, I did.
Most people know I've beenthrough treatment for breast
cancer in 2017, and I wasteaching third grade that year,
and so I had to make thedecision.
You know, most employers aregood.
They're like, how do you want todeal with this?
And um, I decided to keepteaching while I was getting
(19:57):
treatment, mostly because mydaughter was also in third grade
that year.
And she was not in my class, butshe was in the classroom next
door.
So I know it would be verydifferent, difficult for her to
go to school every day withoutme next door.
So basically, I just missed thedays where I had chemotherapy
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treatment at the hospital.
And so I felt crummy for aboutsix months while that was going
on.
And my coworkers were wonderful.
My principal did my recessduties during the cold winter
months, which was a gift.
And um, I don't that group ofthird graders, they I I would, I
(20:40):
don't know what they took away.
I still taught the curriculum,but it was not to 100%.
But they watched, you know, theywatched their teacher lose her
hair, you know, and feel crummy.
And it was funny.
Some days I'd wear a wig and youknow, there'd always be one
student like, did that grow backlast night?
You know, because it's just thatage where you're just not sure.
(21:02):
Um but again, like Kevin said, Ifelt like the Lord was with me
through the whole time.
Um He was a constant source ofrefuge when I felt fear.
Um and he saw me through andallowed me to be healed, which
(21:25):
I'm thankful for.
SPEAKER_01 (21:29):
So we mentioned earlier that uh part of the the
message was telling the Bibleevent about Mary, the sister of
Lazarus.
Um Lazarus the leper.
Who was he a leper at this timeor had he been healed?
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
I would guess he'd been healed if Jesus was at his
house.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
Right, probably.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Lazarus the leper.
SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
Like that was his nickname.
What a terrible nickname.
Right.
He never escaped that one.
Yeah.
What up, Lip?
unknown (22:00):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
That's terrible, right?
So he's so Mary, the sister ofLazarus the Leper, whom Jesus
had healed or was about to heal.
Um, you guys can fact check thatat home and let us know.
Uh she gave this incredible,fragrant offering.
What stood out to you about thatBible event?
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
I thought it was pretty amazing.
Just the two the contrast of theouter and the inner.
So the religious leaders werelooking for a way to capture and
kill Jesus because they didn'twant to deal with an uprising
while Mary was taking such alavish gift to pour out on him.
(22:51):
And that's I don't know ifthere's a bigger contrast.
Um, but I never thought abouthow he probably could smell that
fragrance while he was on thecross.
Like that was so powerful to me.
And and I don't think he couldhave smelled that fragrance
(23:12):
without thinking about her faiththat c that prompted her to do
that.
And I thought, wow, that'simpressive.
SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
Yeah.
I don't uh remember exactly howSeth said it, um, but he he
talked about the word that wasused for um the use of of the
the oil.
Um and he broke it down and I Iforget exactly the word he used,
but I've I've I know I've alsoread it in certain translations
(23:43):
that uses the word wasted, thatit was wasted on him.
And I thought that's such aninteresting uh word because it's
absolutely not wasted when it'sused for worship.
It's not wasted when it it's itswhole purpose is for anointing.
Um but it was absolutelycompletely used up.
(24:04):
You can't you can't reuse it.
It's that's done.
That's that's all of it.
And um as a worship leader andas a song leader and um as a
musician, for me, like wheneveryou sing a song, you can't reuse
that moment of singing.
Like you can reuse the song, youcan sing the song again,
obviously, but you can only singit that one time.
(24:27):
That one time.
That's this moment.
You can't get this moment back.
And it's it's similar, I feellike, in that way, where I go,
okay, this is, you know, Sundaymorning at uh 11.08.
We're singing this song.
I'm never gonna be back to thatSunday morning at 11.08, singing
(24:47):
this exact song with all of mylife experiences and this group
of people in this startarrangement ever again.
It's all right here and rightnow.
And so this moment is absolutelyholy and special and set apart
and um for for this time.
And so the parallel for me onthat um is really, really
meaningful and and I I haveloved the story for a long time.
(25:09):
Um, it just sticks out a lot tome.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Yeah, those are beautiful takeaways that she
poured out entirely thatincredibly expensive, was it a
year's wages?
Goodness.
And then just moments later,Christ would pour out entirely
his blood for us, shedperfectly.
(25:33):
Like his last words on thecross, that to telestai, paid in
full.
Um, and then hearkening back tothat incredibly expensive
payment that she gave um to togive Jesus that gift.
There's there's so manybeautiful ties in that Bible
(25:54):
event.
Um, but I I really appreciatedthe the way that Seth, Pastor
Seth, talked about that andraised it up.
And like you said, that Jesuswas stripped of everything.
But on the cross, he still borethe smell from that incredible
gift.
So Teddy Roosevelt, so he's shoton the way up to giving a
(26:17):
speech.
He still gives a speech, sayssomething about being a bull
moose.
And uh the way Seth said it wasTeddy was saved by a collection
of words covering his heart.
How does this thought impactyou?
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
Oh, I I love the way that Seth said that.
That was very um very poetic.
Um and for us to do the samething with the word of God, um,
that was you know what Seth wasgetting at is it reminds me of
um I forget if if if uh uh wherethis is at, but it's just hiding
(26:56):
the word of God in your heart.
Um you know that's such acritical piece of following
Jesus is being able to then likebe reminded in the moment of
something, you know, a proverbor a psalm or a statement from
Jesus or um a story or whatever,whatever it might be, being able
(27:20):
to have that tucked away.
I I just I find a lot of peacebeing able to be easily reminded
of the truths of God's word.
And umce again, I think that,you know, to bring that full
circle for me and my story isbeing able to lean on the truth
that God is good no matter what.
(27:40):
It actually reminds me of umShadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
when they're about to be throwninto the furnace.
And the uh the the last thingsthat they that the last thing
that they they say to the kingis, we believe that our God's
going to deliver us, but even ifhe doesn't, he's still good.
(28:00):
And um that story has rung truefor me.
It I'm reminded of itconstantly.
I I don't know if I go more thana week without thinking about
that exact phrase.
And uh it it means a whole lotto me.
And that's just one example ofjust hiding God's word in your
heart.
Like you just you can't lose itor forget it.
That one it just it just sticks.
(28:22):
And um, yeah, I think being ableto protect your own heart
because God's placed his word onit, uh, and and being able to
refer to it quickly and easilyjust makes a big difference.
SPEAKER_00 (28:34):
I want to say something about that scripture
that's crazy.
I was just thinking about thatscripture, Kevin, because I had
one student in that third gradeclass, and this is public
school.
So, you know, people ofdifferent faiths.
But this um student and hisparents were strong Christian
believers and they didn't knowmy faith.
But he felt prompted by the Lordto write me a letter once I had
(28:57):
told the kids that I wasdiagnosed, that he and his
family were praying for myhealing.
And he said, the Lord led him tothat story in the Old Testament.
And he said, We are praying,like Shadrach, Meshach, and
Abednego went into the fire,that you are going to go into
the fire of chemo, that the fireis going to burn the cancer, and
(29:19):
that what you walk and when youwalk out of the fire, there will
not even be the scent of smokeon you.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
And that there will not even be the scent of cancer
on you when you come out oftreatment.
And I took that letter, thatemail to chemo and kept it in my
bag.
And when I was discouraged and Ifelt like terrible, I would get
it out and read it becausethere's power in the words of
(29:48):
scripture.
Yeah.
And when we are down and low,that's why we need our community
to remind us of the goodness ofGod and what God has done
throughout history.
To save and protect and carrythrough people in difficult
circumstances.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
And what a beautiful picture of the sovereignty of
God using an unbelieving thirdgrader to bring his true and
active alive word.
Right.
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Yeah.
I'll never forget those people.
SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yeah.
I also this just popped in myhead just now.
You know, the whole thought ofuh Luke one in the beginning was
the word and the word was God.
Um oh my goodness.
John one.
Yeah, John one.
I I said Luke one and then gotso distracted by the fact that I
said that wrong, I couldn't evenquote it right.
But anyway, Jesus is the word.
That's the quick version.
(30:41):
And him being the word residingin your heart, quote unquote,
and covering you with hisrighteousness, it's just like
that very next level of like,well, I'm protected no matter
what.
Even if this earthly body failsme, like my heart's covered with
the word.
He's there and he's not lettingme go.
SPEAKER_00 (31:03):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
That's sweet.
That's sweet.
Um, the verse that Kevin wasreferring to earlier, Psalm 119,
11, I've hidden your word in myheart that I might not sin
against you.
Really just using God's word toguide us and shape us um so that
we can walk faithfully with him.
And that's old testament, and weget to do it from the
perspective of the New Testamentof like Christ has paid for it.
(31:29):
His blood paid for it and washedus clean.
And um because of that, we havevictory for all eternity.
We get to live from thatregardless of what we're going
through.
So, what do you do when yourlife is interrupted by pain?
Hope you've enjoyed thisconversation.
Um, discuss it with yourfriends, ask similar type
(31:53):
questions, see what your kidshave to say about it, and uh
keep these conversations goingbeyond Sunday all the week,
Monday included.
Is that how it goes?
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
No idea.
No, but before you sign out,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
What's up?
SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
Uh in Mark 14, Jesus was in Bethany at the home of
Simon, a man who had previouslyhad leprosy.
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Just to clarify that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
Did I say Peter the leper?
Who did I say?
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
I think you said Lazarus.
Lazarus.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Lazarus.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay, so it's not Lazarus theleper, it's Simon the leper.
Simon the leper.
SPEAKER_00 (32:32):
Yeah, and he had previously had leprosy.
So just to clarify.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
Yeah.
You know, I'm glad you factchecked that, although I felt
like we were on a real high.
And then you really brought theenergy down with the fact check.
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
I apologize.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
But no, that's that's actually really good.
I definitely was wrong on everyaccount.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
And let's keep on taking our faith beyond Sunday.
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