April 16, 2025 • 24 mins
This Palm Sunday episode of Beyond Sunday explores who Jesus is—Humble King, Eternal King, and Suffering King—and what that means for our everyday lives. Through personal stories and honest conversations, we reflect on how Jesus meets us with compassion, walks with us in pain, and reminds us that He’s still on the throne.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
My name is Deena Newsom andthis is the podcast where we
discuss the sermon message fromKing of Kings Church this week.
I have three amazing guestshere with me today.
Would you like to introduceyourselves everyone?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Sure, my name is Kate Solberg and I'm the Associate
Campus Director at King of KingsNorthwest.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Greg Griffith and I'm the Lead Pastor.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
And I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the Executive Director.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Thank you for being here with me.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This week was a busy week at King of Kings, palm
Sunday, baptism, sunday, firstCommunion lots of excitement as
we gear up for Easter.
So my question to you to startout today, as we're getting
ready for Easter what is yourfavorite Easter tradition?
Maybe it was something when youwere growing up that you did.
Maybe it's something you dowith your family now.
(00:58):
Maybe it's a piece of theworship services that happen.
What's your favorite Eastertradition?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Mm-hmm, I remember coloring eggs of the worship
services that happen.
What's your favorite Eastertradition?
I remember coloring eggs, solike.
That smell of vinegar andhard-boiled eggs will stay with
me for the rest of my life andthe little wire thing that you
dip, you know, into the coloredwater.
We still color eggs.
Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We do them and I love them, and then uh, yeah and
then you make them into deviledeggs yum, which you use regular
mayonnaise, not miracle whip,that's from the devil, oh no, no
I'm a miracle good to know,same, I'm also miracle whip um,
a tradition doesn't jump out inmy brain.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I remember one Easter when it was like pretty
stressful going on in my lifeand I actually bought everything
I needed for my youngchildren's Easter at the gas
station and no one knew thedifference.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's amazing, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I was pretty impressed with myself.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
My favorite part is hunting for Easter eggs, hiding
them and hunting them.
My kids all have trauma aboutthat, because my ex-husband
would like to hide eggs where noone could find them just to
tease the kids, and my brotherwould also hide eggs where it
took a long time so he could gorelax and the little kids when
(02:23):
they were young, smart.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
That's a brilliant strategy.
That's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But I like doing that .
Even now my kids are grown, westill do an Easter egg hunt, so
that's exciting for me.
So this week we heard fromPastor Zach Zender and he really
talked about who is Jesus.
So what really stuck out to you, what's something you're taking
beyond Sunday from this message?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
There was a lot of great takeaways Some Sundays.
I just wish King of Kings wasmore vocal, like I found myself
being on wanting to be like yesamen, but I held.
I held it in.
Um.
One thing I did not know was Iloved when Zach said um Palm
(03:16):
Sunday is a foreshadow of whenJesus returns and we'll wave
palm branches Never knew thatpart Same.
And we'll wave palm branchesNever knew that part Same.
I was like wow, that's soexciting.
So I love that part.
When he connected it to thesecond coming of Christ, yeah,
it was really good.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think what stood out to me was just his talking
about Jesus coming in right toJerusalem on a donkey.
Coming in right to Jerusalem ona donkey and like you're just
eye view with everybody insteadof being way up high as you're
kind of going by clippity-clopon this slow, humble animal,
You're able just to really lookat everyone, and I think Jesus
does really look at each one ofus.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, I think the idea always has struck me is
that this is the moment Jesuscomes.
And in those days and Zachmentioned and talked about this
the coming on a donkey meansthat you're coming in peace form
(04:20):
.
Everyone could relax becausethey knew the king wasn't coming
to bring a sword, but to comeand bring a love, and so, but
the reminder that Jesus iscoming to bring peace, but they
expected him to come eventuallywith the sword and that's what
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they wanted.
And then it's kind of like,when it didn't happen, then it
was like, okay, well, let's turnon you, we don't need your
peace, we need your sword.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, this whole message just really got me
thinking in my brain about whois Jesus to me, and Zach
encouraged us all at the end totake a piece of paper and
literally write that down, and Istuck a sticky note beside my
bed and I started just jottingthings down and so the list is
still going.
We'll see where we get to.
(05:14):
So Zach brought up three pointswhere he talked about who Jesus
is, and the first one wastalking about Jesus is the
humble king, and a lot of thatwas talking, like you guys
mentioned, coming in on thedonkey being eye level.
I know, with the history andkids ministry, for me one of the
things that I really would dowith kids is squat down so that
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I can talk to them at eye level.
So when he started talkingabout that like it rung an
instant bell for me of that isso lowly of him to come down to
our level, like not just comingto earth but then the donkey
entrance too.
Were there other parts of Jesusbeing a humble king that
resonated with you guys?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah, I thought about the verse in Isaiah 42 that is
talking about, like it's aforeshadowing of Jesus, and it
says he will not shout or cryout or raise his voice in the
streets A bruised reed he willnot break and a smoldering wick
he will not snuff out.
And Jesus isn't going to shoutfor our attention.
He's not like, hey, you haven'tdone your.
(06:15):
You know, you haven't spenttime with me in weeks and I've
done so much for you, youungrateful.
Right, he's very quiet andwaits for us to come to him.
He's not going to push his wayinto our lives and there's a
humility about that and it justkind of reminds me like am I
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creating space to meet withJesus?
Because he's not going to forcehis way, he wants to be invited
, because he's humble, he wantsto be invited because he's
humble.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, when I think of humility, especially with Jesus
, I think a lot about that.
He listens, and listening isactually a form of humility, and
so we see throughout thescriptures they would say Lord,
lord, and he listens.
We know that we can pray to himand and he's our intercessor
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with the Father, and so you know, I kind of have a phrase on one
of my doors in my office thatjust says I'm a leader who
listens, learns and loves, andso that listening is so much
part.
When I think about what does itlook like to be a humble leader
and a humble servant?
Is it means listening to othersand not always talking, not
always speaking, not alwayssharing, but sometimes just
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listening.
And I think about that.
We have a God who really wantsto listen and not just dictate,
but listen.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mostly thought of, like what the disciples must've
been thinking.
I feel like they, at this point, they had seen the power Jesus
had within him, and so they werewanting him to display that.
But again, jesus is always hasa better plan, and so they were,
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and there must have just been alot of angst inside them.
I feel like Like what is hegoing to do next?
So that's what I was thinkingabout.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I think that excitement level must have been
just that whole last week forthe disciples and those close to
Him just must have been insane.
You know the things he had beenspeaking about were coming true
and how different it must havelooked from Palm Sunday to
Easter for them.
Yeah, zach moved into talkingabout Jesus is the eternal king.
(08:37):
He is the king not just now,but forever.
What spoke to you guys aboutthinking about Jesus being our
eternal king?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think it's a reminder of like how wrapped up
I get in things of this worldand like his kingdom's not of
this world and so, which meansit's forever and it's outside of
this.
And you know, I get so wrappedup in all the hoopla of this
world and I'm not even talking.
(09:09):
I think we automatically go tomaterialism.
I'm not, I'm talking.
Even the hoopla of, like mydream of walking my daughters
down the aisle, that's thisworldly.
My dream of sitting someday ona porch with Lori and just, you
know, relaxing, like that's thisworld.
You know all the things that welook and say this is, that's
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this world.
All the things that we look andsay this is what this world is.
And yet his world is so muchmore and so much more eternal,
and really all of those thingsare meant to fade away and then
are going to be unveiled in awhole new way, in a whole new
glory, and in a way that I go, Inever even want to go back to
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those things, and so it justreminds us of the eternalness
and also that that kingdom isoutside of our comprehension.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, it makes me think too of there is going to
be a new heaven and a new earthand my brain can't wrap around
that.
But because it's going to beincredible, and probably for the
last year at least year, I'vebeen starting almost every
prayer with you're on the throne.
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You're on the throne, because Ijust need to remind myself he's
King, he's eternal King, andreally I don't think there's
anything else I need to know.
You know, if I do need to knowit, it pales in comparison.
So that, just that brings mepeace and comfort.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean Jesus.
The Bible says that Jesus wasthere at the creation of the
world, I mean in Colossians ittalks about that like everything
was created through him andhe's going to be there at the
end of time.
And we know that Jesus is trulygood and so this temporal life
and all of life is in a safepair of hands, which brings
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great comfort, especially whenthings can feel a little chaotic
.
Just knowing that it startedoff perfectly and it's going to
end up perfectly because ofJesus.
It's a great thing tocontemplate.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I think something so important too is like, not
only is he a king for eternityand we know that through the
resurrection but as citizens ofhis kingdom, our eternity has
already begun.
And like, so like and I thinkwe do a disservice when we say
like, oh, now they're in a, whensomeone dies and they go to
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heaven.
It's like, oh, now they'reliving forever.
Well, they were already livingforever, right, as Christians,
like, we're already livingforever.
Eternity has begun.
I'm already in this eternallife, and so when we have an
eternal perspective abouteverything, honestly my anxiety
can really lower, because I'mreminded of like gosh, when
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everything set into the.
You know, I can't even rememberthe things when I was 10 years
old that caused me stress andanxiety.
I know I had them.
I know there were times where Ithought, if we don't do this,
it's the end of the world.
Now that I look back as a 47year old, I'm like you know,
whatever they were, it didn'tmatter, right, and so that's
just, I think, going to be ourperspective.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think that's really wise.
I find my children are 28, 27,and 18 now and I find they echo
some of the stresses and worriesthat I had when I was that age.
But, like you said, now havinga much older perspective, it's
so easy, I think, sometimes forme to be almost dismissive of
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them, but I think now where I amin my faith life, it gives me
the opportunity to minister tothem, because you know what this
is really big to you right now.
But Jesus is on the throne andhe's got this now and forever,
and I can tell you now, 25 yearslater in my life, that is not
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that big of a deal if you trustGod with it now, and it's a
level of trust to turn over tohim.
So then Zach moved on totalking about Jesus is the
suffering king.
What resonated with each of youon Jesus suffering as our king?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Good Friday's heavy, like I have to, like, prepare
myself or, you know, do what Ican.
But I don't think we would beable to relate to him in the
same way if we, you know, didn'tknow all the details that are
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revealed in scripture of what hewent through on our behalf.
So that's powerful.
He isn't a Lord who doesn'tknow what it's like to be human
and suffer.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
He, he, he has done that, so that's powerful my
favorite, one of my favoritebible images comes from palm
sunday and it's when he's cominginto the city and he weeps over
the city like it talks about.
He weeps for jerusalem and thatcontinues to resonate with me
in different ways and shapes inmy life.
But part of it is just thebrokenness that he acknowledges
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there, the suffering he's goingto have to go through and the
brokenness that's going to beleft behind because it's a
sinful world and he's takingthat away eternally, but not in
the moment.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think the suffering part is the part that
actually unites us with God in adeeper way than any other faith
um, that we actually have a Godwho suffered and who knows what
we go through.
So our God doesn't sit and say,oh yeah, that's too bad for you
and I'm sorry and that causes mepain, um, and I'll fix it later
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.
Like our God is, I've walkedwith your suffering, I've
suffered with you, and so hetruly knows, he truly has been
there.
He's not only walked in ourshoes, he's walked before our
shoes and taken that path withus, and so I always like to say
the beauty is that we have asuffering King.
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One of the things I share inalmost any funeral message that
I give is that the joy of Easterand the joy of the reality that
we have through the victory ofEaster is that when we see Jesus
face to face, when we see Jesusface to face, we will no longer
see any scars that we have, butrather we'll only see his scars
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given for you and for me, andso his suffering has changed our
eternity and changed who we are, and so that's just unique.
There's no other faith that hasa God who would humble himself
and suffer with his people.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I think about Jesus in the garden.
That was a huge moment ofsuffering, right, just the
absolute agony that he was in.
And Jesus, like everybody hassaid here, jesus understands
what it's like to have agonizingsituations in our lives, but
even just like the smallsuffering that we experience
when we're hungry and we reallyneed a shower, or it's too hot
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outside or you're really tired,like he went through all of that
and I'm just so grateful forthat and that he again this goes
back to his humility that hewas willing to kind of lower
himself to experience all thethings we experienced.
And I was listening to apodcast that was talking about
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what do you do with the greatunfixables of life?
You know the things that justdon't make sense, that are
continuing to be reallydifficult.
And when I think about Jesus inthe garden, that was a
situation that God was not goingto swoop in and fix things and
say you know what?
Never mind, you don't have todo this, jesus has walked with
us through it all.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Wow, yeah, so Pastor Zach kind of moved on at that
point and really talked about,literally in the Bible, all of
the things that Jesus is naming,all of the ways, and I don't
know about you guys, but I feltlike it was a little bit of like
a hip hop rap concert going onthere he just was going on and
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it just kept going and keptgoing and some of the comments
that he was using you know, likejust way maker things that
they're not my naturalinclinations of what I think of
as Jesus.
I think of him as a savior, Ithink of him as a son, I think
of him as a light.
But like literally, when youstart looking at all the
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different pieces of the Bible,you know what is it that jumps
out at you?
Like what do you guys feel?
What do you normally think ofJesus?
As the words that struck?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
you.
I just went and looked at alist of all the different names
that Jesus has in the Bible andman.
I saw a lot of them, but I'mjust going to highlight two that
I thought of.
Jesus is a good shepherd, likesomeone who's guiding, who's
protecting, who's close by.
As I reflect back on my life,there have been some hard things
, but Jesus has always workedthose things out Somehow.
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There's something I can seethat it somehow is working out
for my good.
So just knowing that Jesus is agood shepherd just is so tender
to me as I think about it.
And then I think about him asthe author and finisher of my
faith.
He started my story and he'sgoing to complete my story.
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He'll be with me through it all.
He's not leaving me hanging,and so just knowing kind of it
fits with the shepherd too.
Just with you through thecourse of your life, through all
the ups and downs guiding,protecting, bringing things
together for your good.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, I think when I think about who is Jesus to me,
it always comes back to that.
He's my Lord and my Savior andthat's always important for me
because as my Lord, then I needto submit to Him as my Savior.
He redeems me from my failuresand at the end of every day I
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have to live in those two bounds, because I have to begin the
day saying it's not my will,it's not my way, it's not my
decisions, it's not what I want,and at the end of the day I
have to rest because I havefailed.
So that always for who is Jesus, does resonate with me.
All the other things that hedoes and who he is as our God
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just are reminders of that.
He's our God, more expansivethan we can ever imagine, and I
love that and that truly is whata friend is, a friend's way,
more than how you can definethem or what you call them by
name, and that's who we get tohave with Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that was part of the sermon where I wanted to,
you know, shout some amens butI did not, and really go right
ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I think that's great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I don't know.
You can do it, Kate I thinkPeter would back me up, but I
don't know about anyone else.
But that list was awesome and itis.
It's just.
It's the best thing to do whenyou don't know what to do is to
go through the traits and thecharacteristics of who Jesus is,
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because that does not change.
And for me, on Sunday, the bigone was the fourth man in the
fire.
That story is incredible to me,and when I was going through
chemotherapy, someone prayedthat for me, that Jesus would go
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into the fire and, just likethe fire burned nothing except
what bound them, that thechemotherapy would burn only the
cancer and leave everythingelse, and I'll never forget that
.
And so that Bible story, Iwould sit in the hospital room
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and read it over and over andjust be amazed at what Jesus did
and what he still does.
So, yeah, there's times, evenwith my kids, like we'll go
through the alphabet, you know,and just start with A.
What is a word for the Lord?
Either a name for Him or atrait, and it's amazing.
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You know all the words andtraits you can come up with.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Very expansive.
Yeah, Is there anything elsefrom this week that really you
guys are going to be takingbeyond Sunday?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Just me talking about the second coming.
I'm going to get annoyingbecause it's just in my head.
I just feel like whenever wetalk about Scripture and what
God has done that we should endit with and he's coming back.
He has a plan, he's coming back.
He has a plan, he's coming back.
Only God knows the day andthat's the only one who needs to
know the day.
But we look forward to that andwe prepare for it.
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Our time's limited, and so wedon't want to miss any
opportunities that he gives us.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I thought of that when Zach was giving the
illustration from the book.
He read at the end where he wastalking about the woman half in
the pool, half in half out,half wet, half dry, half cold,
half hot, that all miserable.
And I thought about that, likehow much are we holding back in
our daily life from what we giveto him Because we think, oh,
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it's not tomorrow, I've got time, but we don't know when that is
.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, so can we get all in.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Right and Kate.
That's why I love at communion.
The blessing I love to give atthe end is now the body and
blood of our risen living andcoming.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Because that's what we're professing when we take
communion is that this is thebody and blood of the Lord who
is risen, the Lord who's livingtoday, eternal, and who's coming
, and we can't forget that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He is coming and he's coming soon Right.
All right.
Thank you guys so much forbeing here today.
We will be back on BeyondSunday next week with our
discussion of our Easter message.
Enjoy your Easter celebrationsthis weekend and in the meantime
, let's keep living our faithbeyond Sunday.
You.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
My name is Deena Newsom andthis is the podcast where we
discuss the sermon message fromKing of Kings Church this week.
I have three amazing guestshere with me today.
Would you like to introduceyourselves everyone?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Sure, my name is Kate Solberg and I'm the Associate
Campus Director at King of KingsNorthwest.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Greg Griffith and I'm the Lead Pastor.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
And I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the Executive Director.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Thank you for being here with me.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This week was a busy week at King of Kings, palm
Sunday, baptism, sunday, firstCommunion lots of excitement as
we gear up for Easter.
So my question to you to startout today, as we're getting
ready for Easter what is yourfavorite Easter tradition?
Maybe it was something when youwere growing up that you did.
Maybe it's something you dowith your family now.
(00:58):
Maybe it's a piece of theworship services that happen.
What's your favorite Eastertradition?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Mm-hmm, I remember coloring eggs of the worship
services that happen.
What's your favorite Eastertradition?
I remember coloring eggs, solike.
That smell of vinegar andhard-boiled eggs will stay with
me for the rest of my life andthe little wire thing that you
dip, you know, into the coloredwater.
We still color eggs.
Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We do them and I love them, and then uh, yeah and
then you make them into deviledeggs yum, which you use regular
mayonnaise, not miracle whip,that's from the devil, oh no, no
I'm a miracle good to know,same, I'm also miracle whip um,
a tradition doesn't jump out inmy brain.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I remember one Easter when it was like pretty
stressful going on in my lifeand I actually bought everything
I needed for my youngchildren's Easter at the gas
station and no one knew thedifference.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's amazing, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I was pretty impressed with myself.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
My favorite part is hunting for Easter eggs, hiding
them and hunting them.
My kids all have trauma aboutthat, because my ex-husband
would like to hide eggs where noone could find them just to
tease the kids, and my brotherwould also hide eggs where it
took a long time so he could gorelax and the little kids when
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they were young, smart.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
That's a brilliant strategy.
That's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But I like doing that .
Even now my kids are grown, westill do an Easter egg hunt, so
that's exciting for me.
So this week we heard fromPastor Zach Zender and he really
talked about who is Jesus.
So what really stuck out to you, what's something you're taking
beyond Sunday from this message?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
There was a lot of great takeaways Some Sundays.
I just wish King of Kings wasmore vocal, like I found myself
being on wanting to be like yesamen, but I held.
I held it in.
Um.
One thing I did not know was Iloved when Zach said um Palm
(03:16):
Sunday is a foreshadow of whenJesus returns and we'll wave
palm branches Never knew thatpart Same.
And we'll wave palm branchesNever knew that part Same.
I was like wow, that's soexciting.
So I love that part.
When he connected it to thesecond coming of Christ, yeah,
it was really good.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think what stood out to me was just his talking
about Jesus coming in right toJerusalem on a donkey.
Coming in right to Jerusalem ona donkey and like you're just
eye view with everybody insteadof being way up high as you're
kind of going by clippity-clopon this slow, humble animal,
You're able just to really lookat everyone, and I think Jesus
does really look at each one ofus.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, I think the idea always has struck me is
that this is the moment Jesuscomes.
And in those days and Zachmentioned and talked about this
the coming on a donkey meansthat you're coming in peace form
(04:20):
.
Everyone could relax becausethey knew the king wasn't coming
to bring a sword, but to comeand bring a love, and so, but
the reminder that Jesus iscoming to bring peace, but they
expected him to come eventuallywith the sword and that's what
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they wanted.
And then it's kind of like,when it didn't happen, then it
was like, okay, well, let's turnon you, we don't need your
peace, we need your sword.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, this whole message just really got me
thinking in my brain about whois Jesus to me, and Zach
encouraged us all at the end totake a piece of paper and
literally write that down, and Istuck a sticky note beside my
bed and I started just jottingthings down and so the list is
still going.
We'll see where we get to.
(05:14):
So Zach brought up three pointswhere he talked about who Jesus
is, and the first one wastalking about Jesus is the
humble king, and a lot of thatwas talking, like you guys
mentioned, coming in on thedonkey being eye level.
I know, with the history andkids ministry, for me one of the
things that I really would dowith kids is squat down so that
(05:34):
I can talk to them at eye level.
So when he started talkingabout that like it rung an
instant bell for me of that isso lowly of him to come down to
our level, like not just comingto earth but then the donkey
entrance too.
Were there other parts of Jesusbeing a humble king that
resonated with you guys?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah, I thought about the verse in Isaiah 42 that is
talking about, like it's aforeshadowing of Jesus, and it
says he will not shout or cryout or raise his voice in the
streets A bruised reed he willnot break and a smoldering wick
he will not snuff out.
And Jesus isn't going to shoutfor our attention.
He's not like, hey, you haven'tdone your.
(06:15):
You know, you haven't spenttime with me in weeks and I've
done so much for you, youungrateful.
Right, he's very quiet andwaits for us to come to him.
He's not going to push his wayinto our lives and there's a
humility about that and it justkind of reminds me like am I
(06:35):
creating space to meet withJesus?
Because he's not going to forcehis way, he wants to be invited
, because he's humble, he wantsto be invited because he's
humble.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, when I think of humility, especially with Jesus
, I think a lot about that.
He listens, and listening isactually a form of humility, and
so we see throughout thescriptures they would say Lord,
lord, and he listens.
We know that we can pray to himand and he's our intercessor
(07:11):
with the Father, and so you know, I kind of have a phrase on one
of my doors in my office thatjust says I'm a leader who
listens, learns and loves, andso that listening is so much
part.
When I think about what does itlook like to be a humble leader
and a humble servant?
Is it means listening to othersand not always talking, not
always speaking, not alwayssharing, but sometimes just
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listening.
And I think about that.
We have a God who really wantsto listen and not just dictate,
but listen.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mostly thought of, like what the disciples must've
been thinking.
I feel like they, at this point, they had seen the power Jesus
had within him, and so they werewanting him to display that.
But again, jesus is always hasa better plan, and so they were,
(08:06):
and there must have just been alot of angst inside them.
I feel like Like what is hegoing to do next?
So that's what I was thinkingabout.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I think that excitement level must have been
just that whole last week forthe disciples and those close to
Him just must have been insane.
You know the things he had beenspeaking about were coming true
and how different it must havelooked from Palm Sunday to
Easter for them.
Yeah, zach moved into talkingabout Jesus is the eternal king.
(08:37):
He is the king not just now,but forever.
What spoke to you guys aboutthinking about Jesus being our
eternal king?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think it's a reminder of like how wrapped up
I get in things of this worldand like his kingdom's not of
this world and so, which meansit's forever and it's outside of
this.
And you know, I get so wrappedup in all the hoopla of this
world and I'm not even talking.
(09:09):
I think we automatically go tomaterialism.
I'm not, I'm talking.
Even the hoopla of, like mydream of walking my daughters
down the aisle, that's thisworldly.
My dream of sitting someday ona porch with Lori and just, you
know, relaxing, like that's thisworld.
You know all the things that welook and say this is, that's
(09:31):
this world.
All the things that we look andsay this is what this world is.
And yet his world is so muchmore and so much more eternal,
and really all of those thingsare meant to fade away and then
are going to be unveiled in awhole new way, in a whole new
glory, and in a way that I go, Inever even want to go back to
(09:54):
those things, and so it justreminds us of the eternalness
and also that that kingdom isoutside of our comprehension.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, it makes me think too of there is going to
be a new heaven and a new earthand my brain can't wrap around
that.
But because it's going to beincredible, and probably for the
last year at least year, I'vebeen starting almost every
prayer with you're on the throne.
(10:28):
You're on the throne, because Ijust need to remind myself he's
King, he's eternal King, andreally I don't think there's
anything else I need to know.
You know, if I do need to knowit, it pales in comparison.
So that, just that brings mepeace and comfort.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean Jesus.
The Bible says that Jesus wasthere at the creation of the
world, I mean in Colossians ittalks about that like everything
was created through him andhe's going to be there at the
end of time.
And we know that Jesus is trulygood and so this temporal life
and all of life is in a safepair of hands, which brings
(11:13):
great comfort, especially whenthings can feel a little chaotic
.
Just knowing that it startedoff perfectly and it's going to
end up perfectly because ofJesus.
It's a great thing tocontemplate.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I think something so important too is like, not
only is he a king for eternityand we know that through the
resurrection but as citizens ofhis kingdom, our eternity has
already begun.
And like, so like and I thinkwe do a disservice when we say
like, oh, now they're in a, whensomeone dies and they go to
(11:51):
heaven.
It's like, oh, now they'reliving forever.
Well, they were already livingforever, right, as Christians,
like, we're already livingforever.
Eternity has begun.
I'm already in this eternallife, and so when we have an
eternal perspective abouteverything, honestly my anxiety
can really lower, because I'mreminded of like gosh, when
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everything set into the.
You know, I can't even rememberthe things when I was 10 years
old that caused me stress andanxiety.
I know I had them.
I know there were times where Ithought, if we don't do this,
it's the end of the world.
Now that I look back as a 47year old, I'm like you know,
whatever they were, it didn'tmatter, right, and so that's
just, I think, going to be ourperspective.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think that's really wise.
I find my children are 28, 27,and 18 now and I find they echo
some of the stresses and worriesthat I had when I was that age.
But, like you said, now havinga much older perspective, it's
so easy, I think, sometimes forme to be almost dismissive of
(12:55):
them, but I think now where I amin my faith life, it gives me
the opportunity to minister tothem, because you know what this
is really big to you right now.
But Jesus is on the throne andhe's got this now and forever,
and I can tell you now, 25 yearslater in my life, that is not
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that big of a deal if you trustGod with it now, and it's a
level of trust to turn over tohim.
So then Zach moved on totalking about Jesus is the
suffering king.
What resonated with each of youon Jesus suffering as our king?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Good Friday's heavy, like I have to, like, prepare
myself or, you know, do what Ican.
But I don't think we would beable to relate to him in the
same way if we, you know, didn'tknow all the details that are
(14:03):
revealed in scripture of what hewent through on our behalf.
So that's powerful.
He isn't a Lord who doesn'tknow what it's like to be human
and suffer.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
He, he, he has done that, so that's powerful my
favorite, one of my favoritebible images comes from palm
sunday and it's when he's cominginto the city and he weeps over
the city like it talks about.
He weeps for jerusalem and thatcontinues to resonate with me
in different ways and shapes inmy life.
But part of it is just thebrokenness that he acknowledges
(14:42):
there, the suffering he's goingto have to go through and the
brokenness that's going to beleft behind because it's a
sinful world and he's takingthat away eternally, but not in
the moment.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think the suffering part is the part that
actually unites us with God in adeeper way than any other faith
um, that we actually have a Godwho suffered and who knows what
we go through.
So our God doesn't sit and say,oh yeah, that's too bad for you
and I'm sorry and that causes mepain, um, and I'll fix it later
(15:16):
.
Like our God is, I've walkedwith your suffering, I've
suffered with you, and so hetruly knows, he truly has been
there.
He's not only walked in ourshoes, he's walked before our
shoes and taken that path withus, and so I always like to say
the beauty is that we have asuffering King.
(15:38):
One of the things I share inalmost any funeral message that
I give is that the joy of Easterand the joy of the reality that
we have through the victory ofEaster is that when we see Jesus
face to face, when we see Jesusface to face, we will no longer
see any scars that we have, butrather we'll only see his scars
(16:01):
given for you and for me, andso his suffering has changed our
eternity and changed who we are, and so that's just unique.
There's no other faith that hasa God who would humble himself
and suffer with his people.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I think about Jesus in the garden.
That was a huge moment ofsuffering, right, just the
absolute agony that he was in.
And Jesus, like everybody hassaid here, jesus understands
what it's like to have agonizingsituations in our lives, but
even just like the smallsuffering that we experience
when we're hungry and we reallyneed a shower, or it's too hot
(16:44):
outside or you're really tired,like he went through all of that
and I'm just so grateful forthat and that he again this goes
back to his humility that hewas willing to kind of lower
himself to experience all thethings we experienced.
And I was listening to apodcast that was talking about
(17:05):
what do you do with the greatunfixables of life?
You know the things that justdon't make sense, that are
continuing to be reallydifficult.
And when I think about Jesus inthe garden, that was a
situation that God was not goingto swoop in and fix things and
say you know what?
Never mind, you don't have todo this, jesus has walked with
us through it all.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Wow, yeah, so Pastor Zach kind of moved on at that
point and really talked about,literally in the Bible, all of
the things that Jesus is naming,all of the ways, and I don't
know about you guys, but I feltlike it was a little bit of like
a hip hop rap concert going onthere he just was going on and
(17:48):
it just kept going and keptgoing and some of the comments
that he was using you know, likejust way maker things that
they're not my naturalinclinations of what I think of
as Jesus.
I think of him as a savior, Ithink of him as a son, I think
of him as a light.
But like literally, when youstart looking at all the
(18:09):
different pieces of the Bible,you know what is it that jumps
out at you?
Like what do you guys feel?
What do you normally think ofJesus?
As the words that struck?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
you.
I just went and looked at alist of all the different names
that Jesus has in the Bible andman.
I saw a lot of them, but I'mjust going to highlight two that
I thought of.
Jesus is a good shepherd, likesomeone who's guiding, who's
protecting, who's close by.
As I reflect back on my life,there have been some hard things
, but Jesus has always workedthose things out Somehow.
(18:44):
There's something I can seethat it somehow is working out
for my good.
So just knowing that Jesus is agood shepherd just is so tender
to me as I think about it.
And then I think about him asthe author and finisher of my
faith.
He started my story and he'sgoing to complete my story.
(19:05):
He'll be with me through it all.
He's not leaving me hanging,and so just knowing kind of it
fits with the shepherd too.
Just with you through thecourse of your life, through all
the ups and downs guiding,protecting, bringing things
together for your good.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, I think when I think about who is Jesus to me,
it always comes back to that.
He's my Lord and my Savior andthat's always important for me
because as my Lord, then I needto submit to Him as my Savior.
He redeems me from my failuresand at the end of every day I
(19:49):
have to live in those two bounds, because I have to begin the
day saying it's not my will,it's not my way, it's not my
decisions, it's not what I want,and at the end of the day I
have to rest because I havefailed.
So that always for who is Jesus, does resonate with me.
All the other things that hedoes and who he is as our God
(20:14):
just are reminders of that.
He's our God, more expansivethan we can ever imagine, and I
love that and that truly is whata friend is, a friend's way,
more than how you can definethem or what you call them by
name, and that's who we get tohave with Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that was part of the sermon where I wanted to,
you know, shout some amens butI did not, and really go right
ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I think that's great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I don't know.
You can do it, Kate I thinkPeter would back me up, but I
don't know about anyone else.
But that list was awesome and itis.
It's just.
It's the best thing to do whenyou don't know what to do is to
go through the traits and thecharacteristics of who Jesus is,
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because that does not change.
And for me, on Sunday, the bigone was the fourth man in the
fire.
That story is incredible to me,and when I was going through
chemotherapy, someone prayedthat for me, that Jesus would go
(21:27):
into the fire and, just likethe fire burned nothing except
what bound them, that thechemotherapy would burn only the
cancer and leave everythingelse, and I'll never forget that
.
And so that Bible story, Iwould sit in the hospital room
(21:47):
and read it over and over andjust be amazed at what Jesus did
and what he still does.
So, yeah, there's times, evenwith my kids, like we'll go
through the alphabet, you know,and just start with A.
What is a word for the Lord?
Either a name for Him or atrait, and it's amazing.
(22:08):
You know all the words andtraits you can come up with.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Very expansive.
Yeah, Is there anything elsefrom this week that really you
guys are going to be takingbeyond Sunday?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Just me talking about the second coming.
I'm going to get annoyingbecause it's just in my head.
I just feel like whenever wetalk about Scripture and what
God has done that we should endit with and he's coming back.
He has a plan, he's coming back.
He has a plan, he's coming back.
Only God knows the day andthat's the only one who needs to
know the day.
But we look forward to that andwe prepare for it.
(22:47):
Our time's limited, and so wedon't want to miss any
opportunities that he gives us.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I thought of that when Zach was giving the
illustration from the book.
He read at the end where he wastalking about the woman half in
the pool, half in half out,half wet, half dry, half cold,
half hot, that all miserable.
And I thought about that, likehow much are we holding back in
our daily life from what we giveto him Because we think, oh,
(23:14):
it's not tomorrow, I've got time, but we don't know when that is
.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, so can we get all in.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Right and Kate.
That's why I love at communion.
The blessing I love to give atthe end is now the body and
blood of our risen living andcoming.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Because that's what we're professing when we take
communion is that this is thebody and blood of the Lord who
is risen, the Lord who's livingtoday, eternal, and who's coming
, and we can't forget that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He is coming and he's coming soon Right.
All right.
Thank you guys so much forbeing here today.
We will be back on BeyondSunday next week with our
discussion of our Easter message.
Enjoy your Easter celebrationsthis weekend and in the meantime
, let's keep living our faithbeyond Sunday.
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