October 1, 2024 • 22 mins
When is a cake just a list of ingredients. And when is it the finished product. This is a diffusion about abortion and the beginning of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show. That's Me.
Today's episode will be about the single most controversial topic
in all of America, abortion, But I think it'll be
a short episode because what I have to say is
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pretty straightforward and concise. Sometimes I'm in the shower, sometimes
I'm driving down the road and these thoughts come to
me and I'm like, Wow, that's that's pretty good. You
should share it with people. So as you may or
may not know, I don't believe that a zygote is
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a human baby. I don't believe that a fetus is
a human baby. As to exactly when this accumulation of
cells expanding and splitting and growing and doubling actually turns
into a human being, I don't know. I don't I
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really don't know. But I do know that there's there's
times when we know that it's not. That's what I
do know. So for me, this is a stance I
take because it makes the most sense. Right when a
fetus or whatever, when a woman's pregnant. I'm nervous to
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get into too much exact terminology. When a woman is
pregnant and she has reached a stage whereby that pregnancy
could survive outside the womb, even if it's with the
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help of modern technology, because modern technology causes deliveries to
be able to survive that you know, one hundred years
ago could not survive to road chance. But now we
have all these advancements in medicine that will cause a
pregnancy that is premature to still be viable due to
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the amazing life saving science and technology that we have
available to us. So I would say anything up to
that point where you know this pregnancy could you know
it could be delivered right, so we could have a
delivery and then there could be a very high survival
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rate even though it's premature. Whatever that point is, I
think that's where we got to cut abortions off. And
if you want to go back one week earlier just
to be on the safe side, or you want to
go back where it's two weeks even earlier, just to
be on the safe side, I'm fine with that. Let's
buy all means err on the side of caution. But
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the moment of conception, that is not a baby, when
there is a single cell sitting there waiting to divide
into two cells, That is not a human baby. When
it's a thousand cells, it's not a human baby. When
it's one hundred thousand cells, it's not a human baby.
So that's that's my beliefs and guidelines based on the
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very best science and understanding that we have of the situation.
Now there's a problem because there are people who believe
with all their heart that they have a baby, especially
pregnant women will tell you they have a baby inside them,
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and they are falling in love with that baby long
a long before it's ever born. They fall in love
with it the minute they determine that they're pregnant. They
fall in love with it, and it becomes a deep, meaningful,
you know, real life connection or bond or experience or
whatever it is you want to call it. It is
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very very real to them. That is a baby to them.
What I'm going to present to you today is what
came to me out of the blue as a way
to make this phenomenon make sense. Because just because a
mother learns that she is pregnant and then instantly chooses
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to believe that is a baby that she loves dearly,
does not mean that it's a baby. Just because she
believes it's a baby, and just because she has feelings
for it, expectations for it. Love for it doesn't mean
that it's a baby. That's not what it means at all.
It just means that she believes it with all her heart,
and so she is able to develop genuine feelings and
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beliefs about it. I think that's fine. By the way,
if you're going to if your plan is to carry
a baby to term, I think developing an attachment to
it as early as possible is a great thing. You
want a mother to be emotionally invested and attached to
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the child she's going to give birth to. And so
if that's the plan, then I think it's great. Believe it,
believe it with all your heart that that's a baby.
When it's eight sales or twenty five thousand cells or whatever,
that's fine. First day, second week, you know, fourth week, whatever,
that's fine. That's great. You're planning on carrying this this
uh feed us to term and it will be a child,
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and you're going to raise it however long it lives,
or you lives, or both of you live, and so
I think it's great. That is a great thing that
you believe and love and cherish something that has not
appeared yet. But just because you do doesn't mean that
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that's a baby. We can go through and I haven't
gotten to my example yet. Save my example for the end,
because I think it will be a peace to resistance.
But we can go down through his countless times in history.
We can go back to remember the Heaven's Gate cult
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who believe with all their heart, minds, and souls that
the aliens were coming. And I think it was the
hail Bop comet. And these people developed an attachment, a love,
a devotion the likes of which you can't even comprehend
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to that which was coming. Ultimately to the point that
they gave their own lives, they all committed suicide to
That was the way they believed that they would hop
from here to there and go aboard this alien craft.
Of course, it was all nonsense. Many of us knew
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it was nonsense while they were doing it right. You know,
the first time you ever heard about them, you knew
it was all complete nonsense. You just knew it was.
But to them it was not nonsense. It was as
real as this woman who believes this fetus in her
body as a baby. It's the same level of real
they were that attacked and devoted to it so much
so that they literally sacrificed their own lives for it.
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Like you can't believe something anymore than that, You can't
cherish something and grasp onto something and hold on to
something in its realness anymore than that. That is the
ultimate proof of I'm all in. So this demonstrates that
one's level of commitment to something has nothing to its validity.
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The two are not connected in any kind of a way,
because unfortunately, these people took their own lives and they
were just corpses in a house wearing nikes for whatever reason,
new nikes, and they didn't hop forward to some alien
craft in or behind the hell Bop comet or whatever
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was supposed to be. None of that happened. It was
pure fantasy on their part. The point I'm trying to
make is that I can both respect a woman's attachment
to her fetus as it being an actual baby, and
also know that that doesn't mean that it is. She
just believes it is, and she has gone there with
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her heart, mind, body, and soul the same way these
Haley's Comment people, these Heaven's Gate people, went there full
blown mind, body, soul, heart. They were there for something
that one hundred percent was not real. And so what
I've tried to demonstrate is to be my understanding of
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this process from zygote defeat is to eventual delivery, and
its trajectory is that it is a process. And so
from the moment of conception, from the instance the sperm
fertilizes the egg, that's step one from a process begins,
and that process, if it is allowed to complete, When
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it is complete, you will have a human, living human
in front of you if nothing goes wrong. But anytime
before that you are in the process, there is the
anticipation of the end product. And so I'm reminded of
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I would say my mom, But like, my mom made
things I love, but I wouldn't say that any of
them moved through the air and captured my senses quite
as much as, for example, when my grandmother would prepare
one of her cakes. Likewise, I was engaged for a
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short period of time to someone who got into baking
very briefly, and she was making these pineapple upside down cakes,
and I just remember when she would be in there
and the smell would come and she's mixing the ingredients
and from the very beginning, you got the you know,
the whatever is mixing, it's going in there, and then
the vanilla flavoring goes in there, and then you start
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to get a little sense of a little smell of it.
Then it goes into the oven and it begins to bake.
And from early on, very early on in the baking process,
the just these ramas are just start filling the house
and it's just oh, and you just anticipate it. You
can just taste it's you just want it so bad.
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It's on the tip of your tongue. You can taste it.
But none of that matters. It is not a cake
until the baking this is complete. At any point in
time before that process is completed, you have the components
of a cake, you have the ingredients of a cake,
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you have the beginnings of a cake, but you don't
have a cake yet. And so if let's say, let's
use my ex fiance as an example, she's mixing this whatever,
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this stuff in the bowl and she's putting them I
don't know, milk in there, and the butter in there,
sugar in there, and she's mixing it and mixing it,
mixing it, and a cat jumps up on the counter
and knocks that bowl off into the floor and ruins it.
It's ruined. It's just splattered all across the kitchen floor.
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It's unsavable. Did that cat ruin a cake? The cat
ruined something that had some value to somebody, and to
some extent, for sure, it ruined something that certainly had
the potential to become a cake at some point if
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completion were achieved. But that cat did not knock a
cake into the floor. Nope, it just didn't happen. That
cat knocked a bunch of ingredients being mixed in a
bowl into the floor. Nobody in their right mindset would say,
look at this cake in the floor that this cat
knocked over, because it's just not a freaking cake. And
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so as much as I would smell that cake, and
as much as it would tantalize my senses, and I
could just literally taste that cake and just my mouth
would water as if I were literally eating the cake,
and I wanted it so bad, it wasn't a cake. Yet.
It doesn't matter what I felt. It doesn't matter my anticipation,
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it doesn't matter how excited I was about it. Now,
you take a person living five houses down on the
street that can't smell anything and doesn't know anything is
going on and is not anticipating the cake, and somebody
goes by and goes, you know, down at his house
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the cat knocked a cake into the floor and ruined it.
And then they would be like, wow, really, that's horrible
that kate got ruined, and well, you know it was
you know, she'd started mixing some of the ingredients in
a bowl, so she hadn't baked the cake full yet,
And the person would go, oh, well, yeah, well that sucks.
She was starting the process of making the cake and
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it got interrupted by the cat. That sucks. That person
would not feel the same way about that as I
felt sitting in the living room and my recliner smelling
it and anticipating it and wanting it as it as
if it had already materialized. And that is the exact
same thing with this whole issue of zygotes and fetuses
in this trajectory along each week in trimesters et cetera,
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all the way to the end. If the person plans
to take this process to its end, and for whatever
reason it gets interrupted, whether it be just some kind
of a natural process that causes a miscarriage, whether it
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be a car accident, whether it be a fall, whether
it be somebody attacks that person or whatever. That person
had put time and investment of physical resources but also
mental and emotional resources into that. They literally got robbed
of that. And so if it were a person that
caused it, whether it be by a wreck or by
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assault or something like that, that person would for sure
be responsible of robbing them of what would have been
their child that they were expecting. That doesn't mean it
was a child, but it means that that person robbed
them of their creation of a child. It would be
the same way as if my fiance had on the
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counter the sugar and the vanilla extract and this flour
and this you know, milk or whatever, and the eggs,
and she's starting to mix them in the bowl, and
then this guy breaks into the house and steals all
that stuff and takes it away. That guy did not
steal a cake from us, but it meant the same
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to us because we planned on taking it to completion
and eating it. So to us, we treated it as
if it were a cake. It had the same value
to us as if it were a cake, even though
it were not a cake. So same with the woman
and the husband and the family or whatever, who is
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excited when they learn about this conception and pregnancy and
its progress and have invested into it, and then they
lose it naturally or medically or due to some tragedy
or through to some wrongful intervention by another party, it
is devastating to them and they have robbed the equivalent
of to what would have been a child, because that
was the expectation. And as such, anybody that robbed that
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from them could be and should be prosecuted with robbing
that potential from them. So that's why I'm all on
board with laws and stuff on the books for murdering
an unborn one hundred percent, because that's why. But to
a person who finds out that hey, four weeks ago,
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a sperm fertilized an egg inside you, and it's attached
itself and it's begun multiplying and dividing, and if it
continues for nine more months, I guess at that time
eight more months, it will have been actually be a human.
But you go, well, I don't want that. I don't
want this to continue on to become a human. And
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so let's endo the process to that person, they are
not invested in the outcome. They are not invested of
the delivery. They are not invested in the future product
that is on the way, And so the ingredients and
the mixture of the process that's coming along, it is
of no importance or loss of anything to them to
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terminate that process because it is not a child. It
is the components that could eventually, at some point in time,
with a lot of growth and maturation and all this stuff,
eventually arrive at being a child. But they are not
invested in it in any kind of a way, and
neither is anybody else. And that's why abortions should not
be this freaking drama that they are in this country.
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So I'll circle all the way back around and wrap
it up where I've started, which is where do we
draw the line. Well, as soon as this creation is
viable outside the womb, as soon as it is viable
to live as a human outside the womb, we should
no longer terminate it. And I'm all for being on
the safe side and backing it up a week from
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there to a week before technically we think we have
the ability to save it and outside the womb with
technology and medicine and the miracles of modern science. And
if you and if you want to be on the really,
really safe side, let's back it up two weeks from there.
So whatever that date is, let's put that as the date.
Look we're on an err on the side of caution,
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and say, look, you can't, you know, you can't go
past this. And so I would say that that should
be like a guideline. That should be a guideline for
us as a society to go by, a guideline for
the medical community to go by, a guideline for laws
to go by. But all that being said, all that
being said, if for some reason, this fetus whatever makes
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it past that date somehow, and this mother has no
connection and no anticipation, and there is no desire, and
they still terminate it, that is not a murder. Still,
it's not a murder. We can say, we can tell
doctors you can deny it or we don't approve it
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or whatever because we think that's a step too far,
But that still don't mean we start throwing people in
prison over it, because it's still not a human And
I said this in a previous episode, but if you
read the Bible, the Bible, which I don't think we
should give up too much. I care about what the
Bible says because it's mostly just nonsense. But if you
want to go by the Bible, every single instance of
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a life, confirmation of life, beginning of life, every single
one of them occurs at this seminal moment, the breath
of life. Without the breath of life, this breathing and
intaking of life by the body on its own, there
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is no life there and you can't find any other
examples of there. And now they say, well, he says
this one person he speaks of. God speaks of one
person in the Bible where says, even before you were
I knew you and your womb. Well, yeah, you know, supposedly,
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if God has the ability to see into the future
and there's no time with him, sure he knew him
because he knows him based on there is no time
with him, so he's already aware of him twenty years
later and thirty years later after he's been born, so
sure he knows him. That He didn't by anyone say
that that thing was alive at that time, that it
was a human at that time. He's just saying, way,
but before you were I still knew. I knew you then, why,
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Because I'm timeless. There is no time with me. I
know everything forward and everything backward all at once, and
so it's kind of a ridiculous argument. Anyway, I didn't
want to get into the Bible thing because I think,
with all due respect, if you're a Bible believer, with
the utmost respect for you, and I mean this genuinely,
with just genuine, heartfelt respect for you, My mom was
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one of the most devoted Bible believers ever, just precious
human and I treat you with the same reverence and
respect that I treat her. All that being said, it's
just a nonsense book to try to reason real life
things that we know about in today's modern times. Because
they didn't know anything then. They didn't understand the germs
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caused disease, they didn't understand that the Earth circled around
the Sun. I mean, there's just so much I mean,
I could go down a laundry list of stuff they
didn't understand. They thought that stars in the sky were little,
tiny pinpricks of light that could literally fall to the earth.
Millions of them could fall to the earth, when in fact,
even one star is a sun that would eclipse the
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size of our Earth, So you couldn't even have one
of them fall to Earth because it would be like
one hundred times bigger than our Earth. There was so much.
They just didn't know anything. They were just ignorant. I'm
not saying they were stupid, they were just ignorant. They
didn't not have the knowledge that we have today. And
so trying to let people who were ignorant and didn't
understand anything tell us how to make sense out of
stuff that we do know things about, to me, seems
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like a ridiculous proposition. We made it twenty two minutes.
I really hope to do it in fifteen. I've failed you,
but I am wrapping up this episode now. Thanks so
much for being here. Talk to you in the next one.
Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show. That's Me.
Today's episode will be about the single most controversial topic
in all of America, abortion, But I think it'll be
a short episode because what I have to say is
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pretty straightforward and concise. Sometimes I'm in the shower, sometimes
I'm driving down the road and these thoughts come to
me and I'm like, Wow, that's that's pretty good. You
should share it with people. So as you may or
may not know, I don't believe that a zygote is
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a human baby. I don't believe that a fetus is
a human baby. As to exactly when this accumulation of
cells expanding and splitting and growing and doubling actually turns
into a human being, I don't know. I don't I
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really don't know. But I do know that there's there's
times when we know that it's not. That's what I
do know. So for me, this is a stance I
take because it makes the most sense. Right when a
fetus or whatever, when a woman's pregnant. I'm nervous to
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get into too much exact terminology. When a woman is
pregnant and she has reached a stage whereby that pregnancy
could survive outside the womb, even if it's with the
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help of modern technology, because modern technology causes deliveries to
be able to survive that you know, one hundred years
ago could not survive to road chance. But now we
have all these advancements in medicine that will cause a
pregnancy that is premature to still be viable due to
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the amazing life saving science and technology that we have
available to us. So I would say anything up to
that point where you know this pregnancy could you know
it could be delivered right, so we could have a
delivery and then there could be a very high survival
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rate even though it's premature. Whatever that point is, I
think that's where we got to cut abortions off. And
if you want to go back one week earlier just
to be on the safe side, or you want to
go back where it's two weeks even earlier, just to
be on the safe side, I'm fine with that. Let's
buy all means err on the side of caution. But
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the moment of conception, that is not a baby, when
there is a single cell sitting there waiting to divide
into two cells, That is not a human baby. When
it's a thousand cells, it's not a human baby. When
it's one hundred thousand cells, it's not a human baby.
So that's that's my beliefs and guidelines based on the
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very best science and understanding that we have of the situation.
Now there's a problem because there are people who believe
with all their heart that they have a baby, especially
pregnant women will tell you they have a baby inside them,
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and they are falling in love with that baby long
a long before it's ever born. They fall in love
with it the minute they determine that they're pregnant. They
fall in love with it, and it becomes a deep, meaningful,
you know, real life connection or bond or experience or
whatever it is you want to call it. It is
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very very real to them. That is a baby to them.
What I'm going to present to you today is what
came to me out of the blue as a way
to make this phenomenon make sense. Because just because a
mother learns that she is pregnant and then instantly chooses
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to believe that is a baby that she loves dearly,
does not mean that it's a baby. Just because she
believes it's a baby, and just because she has feelings
for it, expectations for it. Love for it doesn't mean
that it's a baby. That's not what it means at all.
It just means that she believes it with all her heart,
and so she is able to develop genuine feelings and
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beliefs about it. I think that's fine. By the way,
if you're going to if your plan is to carry
a baby to term, I think developing an attachment to
it as early as possible is a great thing. You
want a mother to be emotionally invested and attached to
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the child she's going to give birth to. And so
if that's the plan, then I think it's great. Believe it,
believe it with all your heart that that's a baby.
When it's eight sales or twenty five thousand cells or whatever,
that's fine. First day, second week, you know, fourth week, whatever,
that's fine. That's great. You're planning on carrying this this
uh feed us to term and it will be a child,
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and you're going to raise it however long it lives,
or you lives, or both of you live, and so
I think it's great. That is a great thing that
you believe and love and cherish something that has not
appeared yet. But just because you do doesn't mean that
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that's a baby. We can go through and I haven't
gotten to my example yet. Save my example for the end,
because I think it will be a peace to resistance.
But we can go down through his countless times in history.
We can go back to remember the Heaven's Gate cult
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who believe with all their heart, minds, and souls that
the aliens were coming. And I think it was the
hail Bop comet. And these people developed an attachment, a love,
a devotion the likes of which you can't even comprehend
(06:49):
to that which was coming. Ultimately to the point that
they gave their own lives, they all committed suicide to
That was the way they believed that they would hop
from here to there and go aboard this alien craft.
Of course, it was all nonsense. Many of us knew
(07:11):
it was nonsense while they were doing it right. You know,
the first time you ever heard about them, you knew
it was all complete nonsense. You just knew it was.
But to them it was not nonsense. It was as
real as this woman who believes this fetus in her
body as a baby. It's the same level of real
they were that attacked and devoted to it so much
so that they literally sacrificed their own lives for it.
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Like you can't believe something anymore than that, You can't
cherish something and grasp onto something and hold on to
something in its realness anymore than that. That is the
ultimate proof of I'm all in. So this demonstrates that
one's level of commitment to something has nothing to its validity.
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The two are not connected in any kind of a way,
because unfortunately, these people took their own lives and they
were just corpses in a house wearing nikes for whatever reason,
new nikes, and they didn't hop forward to some alien
craft in or behind the hell Bop comet or whatever
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was supposed to be. None of that happened. It was
pure fantasy on their part. The point I'm trying to
make is that I can both respect a woman's attachment
to her fetus as it being an actual baby, and
also know that that doesn't mean that it is. She
just believes it is, and she has gone there with
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her heart, mind, body, and soul the same way these
Haley's Comment people, these Heaven's Gate people, went there full
blown mind, body, soul, heart. They were there for something
that one hundred percent was not real. And so what
I've tried to demonstrate is to be my understanding of
(09:03):
this process from zygote defeat is to eventual delivery, and
its trajectory is that it is a process. And so
from the moment of conception, from the instance the sperm
fertilizes the egg, that's step one from a process begins,
and that process, if it is allowed to complete, When
(09:26):
it is complete, you will have a human, living human
in front of you if nothing goes wrong. But anytime
before that you are in the process, there is the
anticipation of the end product. And so I'm reminded of
(09:48):
I would say my mom, But like, my mom made
things I love, but I wouldn't say that any of
them moved through the air and captured my senses quite
as much as, for example, when my grandmother would prepare
one of her cakes. Likewise, I was engaged for a
(10:08):
short period of time to someone who got into baking
very briefly, and she was making these pineapple upside down cakes,
and I just remember when she would be in there
and the smell would come and she's mixing the ingredients
and from the very beginning, you got the you know,
the whatever is mixing, it's going in there, and then
the vanilla flavoring goes in there, and then you start
(10:29):
to get a little sense of a little smell of it.
Then it goes into the oven and it begins to bake.
And from early on, very early on in the baking process,
the just these ramas are just start filling the house
and it's just oh, and you just anticipate it. You
can just taste it's you just want it so bad.
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It's on the tip of your tongue. You can taste it.
But none of that matters. It is not a cake
until the baking this is complete. At any point in
time before that process is completed, you have the components
of a cake, you have the ingredients of a cake,
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you have the beginnings of a cake, but you don't
have a cake yet. And so if let's say, let's
use my ex fiance as an example, she's mixing this whatever,
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this stuff in the bowl and she's putting them I
don't know, milk in there, and the butter in there,
sugar in there, and she's mixing it and mixing it,
mixing it, and a cat jumps up on the counter
and knocks that bowl off into the floor and ruins it.
It's ruined. It's just splattered all across the kitchen floor.
(11:52):
It's unsavable. Did that cat ruin a cake? The cat
ruined something that had some value to somebody, and to
some extent, for sure, it ruined something that certainly had
the potential to become a cake at some point if
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completion were achieved. But that cat did not knock a
cake into the floor. Nope, it just didn't happen. That
cat knocked a bunch of ingredients being mixed in a
bowl into the floor. Nobody in their right mindset would say,
look at this cake in the floor that this cat
knocked over, because it's just not a freaking cake. And
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so as much as I would smell that cake, and
as much as it would tantalize my senses, and I
could just literally taste that cake and just my mouth
would water as if I were literally eating the cake,
and I wanted it so bad, it wasn't a cake. Yet.
It doesn't matter what I felt. It doesn't matter my anticipation,
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it doesn't matter how excited I was about it. Now,
you take a person living five houses down on the
street that can't smell anything and doesn't know anything is
going on and is not anticipating the cake, and somebody
goes by and goes, you know, down at his house
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the cat knocked a cake into the floor and ruined it.
And then they would be like, wow, really, that's horrible
that kate got ruined, and well, you know it was
you know, she'd started mixing some of the ingredients in
a bowl, so she hadn't baked the cake full yet,
And the person would go, oh, well, yeah, well that sucks.
She was starting the process of making the cake and
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it got interrupted by the cat. That sucks. That person
would not feel the same way about that as I
felt sitting in the living room and my recliner smelling
it and anticipating it and wanting it as it as
if it had already materialized. And that is the exact
same thing with this whole issue of zygotes and fetuses
in this trajectory along each week in trimesters et cetera,
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all the way to the end. If the person plans
to take this process to its end, and for whatever
reason it gets interrupted, whether it be just some kind
of a natural process that causes a miscarriage, whether it
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be a car accident, whether it be a fall, whether
it be somebody attacks that person or whatever. That person
had put time and investment of physical resources but also
mental and emotional resources into that. They literally got robbed
of that. And so if it were a person that
caused it, whether it be by a wreck or by
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assault or something like that, that person would for sure
be responsible of robbing them of what would have been
their child that they were expecting. That doesn't mean it
was a child, but it means that that person robbed
them of their creation of a child. It would be
the same way as if my fiance had on the
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counter the sugar and the vanilla extract and this flour
and this you know, milk or whatever, and the eggs,
and she's starting to mix them in the bowl, and
then this guy breaks into the house and steals all
that stuff and takes it away. That guy did not
steal a cake from us, but it meant the same
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to us because we planned on taking it to completion
and eating it. So to us, we treated it as
if it were a cake. It had the same value
to us as if it were a cake, even though
it were not a cake. So same with the woman
and the husband and the family or whatever, who is
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excited when they learn about this conception and pregnancy and
its progress and have invested into it, and then they
lose it naturally or medically or due to some tragedy
or through to some wrongful intervention by another party, it
is devastating to them and they have robbed the equivalent
of to what would have been a child, because that
was the expectation. And as such, anybody that robbed that
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from them could be and should be prosecuted with robbing
that potential from them. So that's why I'm all on
board with laws and stuff on the books for murdering
an unborn one hundred percent, because that's why. But to
a person who finds out that hey, four weeks ago,
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a sperm fertilized an egg inside you, and it's attached
itself and it's begun multiplying and dividing, and if it
continues for nine more months, I guess at that time
eight more months, it will have been actually be a human.
But you go, well, I don't want that. I don't
want this to continue on to become a human. And
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so let's endo the process to that person, they are
not invested in the outcome. They are not invested of
the delivery. They are not invested in the future product
that is on the way, And so the ingredients and
the mixture of the process that's coming along, it is
of no importance or loss of anything to them to
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terminate that process because it is not a child. It
is the components that could eventually, at some point in time,
with a lot of growth and maturation and all this stuff,
eventually arrive at being a child. But they are not
invested in it in any kind of a way, and
neither is anybody else. And that's why abortions should not
be this freaking drama that they are in this country.
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So I'll circle all the way back around and wrap
it up where I've started, which is where do we
draw the line. Well, as soon as this creation is
viable outside the womb, as soon as it is viable
to live as a human outside the womb, we should
no longer terminate it. And I'm all for being on
the safe side and backing it up a week from
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there to a week before technically we think we have
the ability to save it and outside the womb with
technology and medicine and the miracles of modern science. And
if you and if you want to be on the really,
really safe side, let's back it up two weeks from there.
So whatever that date is, let's put that as the date.
Look we're on an err on the side of caution,
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and say, look, you can't, you know, you can't go
past this. And so I would say that that should
be like a guideline. That should be a guideline for
us as a society to go by, a guideline for
the medical community to go by, a guideline for laws
to go by. But all that being said, all that
being said, if for some reason, this fetus whatever makes
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it past that date somehow, and this mother has no
connection and no anticipation, and there is no desire, and
they still terminate it, that is not a murder. Still,
it's not a murder. We can say, we can tell
doctors you can deny it or we don't approve it
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or whatever because we think that's a step too far,
But that still don't mean we start throwing people in
prison over it, because it's still not a human And
I said this in a previous episode, but if you
read the Bible, the Bible, which I don't think we
should give up too much. I care about what the
Bible says because it's mostly just nonsense. But if you
want to go by the Bible, every single instance of
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a life, confirmation of life, beginning of life, every single
one of them occurs at this seminal moment, the breath
of life. Without the breath of life, this breathing and
intaking of life by the body on its own, there
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is no life there and you can't find any other
examples of there. And now they say, well, he says
this one person he speaks of. God speaks of one
person in the Bible where says, even before you were
I knew you and your womb. Well, yeah, you know, supposedly,
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if God has the ability to see into the future
and there's no time with him, sure he knew him
because he knows him based on there is no time
with him, so he's already aware of him twenty years
later and thirty years later after he's been born, so
sure he knows him. That He didn't by anyone say
that that thing was alive at that time, that it
was a human at that time. He's just saying, way,
but before you were I still knew. I knew you then, why,
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Because I'm timeless. There is no time with me. I
know everything forward and everything backward all at once, and
so it's kind of a ridiculous argument. Anyway, I didn't
want to get into the Bible thing because I think,
with all due respect, if you're a Bible believer, with
the utmost respect for you, and I mean this genuinely,
with just genuine, heartfelt respect for you, My mom was
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one of the most devoted Bible believers ever, just precious
human and I treat you with the same reverence and
respect that I treat her. All that being said, it's
just a nonsense book to try to reason real life
things that we know about in today's modern times. Because
they didn't know anything then. They didn't understand the germs
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caused disease, they didn't understand that the Earth circled around
the Sun. I mean, there's just so much I mean,
I could go down a laundry list of stuff they
didn't understand. They thought that stars in the sky were little,
tiny pinpricks of light that could literally fall to the earth.
Millions of them could fall to the earth, when in fact,
even one star is a sun that would eclipse the
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size of our Earth, So you couldn't even have one
of them fall to Earth because it would be like
one hundred times bigger than our Earth. There was so much.
They just didn't know anything. They were just ignorant. I'm
not saying they were stupid, they were just ignorant. They
didn't not have the knowledge that we have today. And
so trying to let people who were ignorant and didn't
understand anything tell us how to make sense out of
stuff that we do know things about, to me, seems
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like a ridiculous proposition. We made it twenty two minutes.
I really hope to do it in fifteen. I've failed you,
but I am wrapping up this episode now. Thanks so
much for being here. Talk to you in the next one.
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