September 10, 2024 • 26 mins
Original sin. Blood sacrifice. Only righteous because of the blood of Jesus. Does this jive with the Old Testament?
Ezekiel 18:19-27
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Ezekiel 18:19-27
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello there, Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show.
I'm the afore mentioned glad to have you here. Today
we're back on religion. I think this would be a
short episode today, but I guess, out of all the
podcasts I've ever done, and I've done a lot of
controversial podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Did an Auburn Alabama podcast for a few years, probably
the most popular podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I've ever done. I did it with a buddy of mine.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There's nothing more polarizing than Auburn Alabama, and he was
the Alabama fan. I'm the Alburn fan, and boy, we
got a lot of messages and feedback on that. And
then my weight loss and Health Journey podcast, where at
one time I was on a product called Plexus, which
was controversial.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's how it actually started.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Then I was a vegan, a vegan for a while,
and then I transitioned into a raw food vegan for
a while. And then I was a fruitarian for a
while where all I ate was fruit. And then I
found Keto and we switched switched to Keto and we
talked about keto, and then I got into fasting, extended
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and intermittent fasting, and then we've talked some carnivor on it.
Nothing is more polarizing than any of those things. Like
veganism polarizes people. Boy, raw veganism really makes people lose
their minds. Then keto is very polarizing. Carnivores super polarizing.
Fasting people, they are going to die if you fast.
Like Anyway, my point is, out of all of those
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things that I've done in my podcasting history, nothing has
been more. I won't I'm not gonna lie and say
that I've gotten as many messages about these religious episodes,
but compared to how many people listen to these episodes, Yes,
because for instance, that Auburn, Alabama podcast, I mean, it'd
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be some weeks we'd have I don't know, a thousand,
two thousand and three thousand downloads or something, and you know,
we'd get a bunch of messages, but it'd be a
tiny fraction of the two or three thousand people that
downloaded it. Whereas this there's very few of you guys
that are subscribed and listening to this podcast. But it
feels like twice as many people will send me messages
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as people who actually listen. Anyway, we're gonna be taught,
I haven't figured out what the title this podcast yet,
so I'll give it some thought. I need a podcast that,
you know, delivers a thought and makes people want to listen,
because that's what you kind of do when you in
this kind of a game. But basically, we're asking the
question is Jesus necessary? And its Jesus compatible with the
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Old Testament, the Talman, the Torah. I mean you can
just there's a few Jews out there that have somehow
converted to Christianity. But the most part if you if
you ask a Jewish person, a really religious Jewish person,
I mean they will they can quote instantly, just verse
after verse after verse that definitely confirms to Christianity is
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not compatible with Judaism. There's no way one came from
the other.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm just gonna do a little bit of that today.
We're gonna be just looking at a short section of scripture.
And this is some scripture that I found a long
time ago. But if you want to pull up your
your Bible at home and go to Ezekiel eighteen you can.
The whole chapter really is about forgiveness and people doing wrong,
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people being wicked, people getting forgiven, people not dying but
finding life and all this kind of thing, same thing,
same themes as Christianity and the New Testament.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So we're gonna start it. You know. Really twenty is
where on the start.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But I want to back up a little bit and
talk about this concept of original sin, because without original sin,
Christianity really starts falling apart. Because the concept of original
sin is and this was the thing it always you know,
once I started becoming aware. It's not when I was
growing up, and not when I was in my early
late teens and early twenties where I actually was a
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diehard Christian and we traveled around with this gospel singing
group and we preached and traveled and did all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, I was hardcore into it. That's how I.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Actually became a non believer because I spent so much
time reading and studying the Bible and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was like, oh wait a second.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You know, which I've said in previous episodes, if you
want a fast track to becoming a non believer, just
actually read your Bible. Like if you just go to
church and listen to what the preacher tells you, yeah,
you're fine. You'll never question anything if you aren't reading
the study in the Bible yourself. Yeah, anyway, So for
Christianity to be even necessary, but for sure to work,
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you have to buy into their concept of original sin.
And this is that Adam and Eve they sinned in
the garden. They were separated from God, and they're all
future generations inherited that betrayal.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And so.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Just because you're human, you're automatically guilty, like you are
born needing forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You just are human.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're separated from God, and they needed God needed some
kind of a way to connect us all back together again. Right,
we need to have some absolution. There needed to be
a path of forgiveness. There needed to be some kind
of a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
All these time things.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So this section of scriptures obliterates all those concepts.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It just wipes them out.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Like you can't believe that what they wrote in the
New Testament is true and believe that the original Jewish
scriptures are true. You just can't believe both because they're incompatible.
So if we started our nineteen and I'm reading the
King James, because everybody I know is if it ain't
the King James, boy, it ain't real. Even though the
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King James is the worst translation of the Bible. But
I digress verse nineteen. Yet say we, why doth not
the son bear the iniquity of the Father? When the
Son hath done that which is lawful and right, and
has kept all the statues and has done them, he
shall surely live. The soul that sins it shall die.
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The son shall not bear the iniquity of the Father.
Neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the son.
The righteous of the righteousness of the righteous shall be
upon him, and the weakness of the wicked shall be
upon him.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
These two verses dispel this myth that you could be
unrighteous and unholy and separated from God based on something
an ancestor of yours did. It doesn't work that way.
This is, by the way, this is many places in
the Old Testament. I just grabbed this one because it's
a neat little nutshell, because it goes on in these
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fallen verses to some other.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Concepts I want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You can find us all through the Old Testament, like
this concept that Christianity came up with this original sin
and you're just born a sinner and you're in need
of grace from day one, it's just nonsense. You can't
believe that these two gods are the same. There's just
no way that this god they talk about in the
New Testament is the same as the god Ill Testment.
There's just no way. They are completely incompatible. So that's
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the first thing. The second thing, we'll start reading with
one verse twenty one, and we'll talk about it. But
if the wicked will turn from all his sins that
he had committed, and keep my statutes and do that
which is lawful and right, he surely live. He shall
not die. All these transgressions that he has committed, they
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shall not be mentioned unto him and his righteousness that
he hath done, he shall live. Have I any pleasure
at all that the wicked should die, said the Lord,
and not that he should return from his ways and live.
But when the righteous he turned away from his righteousness
and committed iniquity, and do it according to all the
abominations that the wicked man done, shall he live. All
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his righteous that he has done shall not be mentioned
in his trespassed that he is trespassed, in his sin
that he has sin. Yet say either way, the Lord
is not equal, how in old hair is not or
why he's not equal.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
When a righteous man turneth away from.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
His righteous and committeth to niquity, and dieth for them,
for his niquoli he hath done, he shall die. Nothing
is more clear in the Bible than these passages of scriptures.
And there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that
seems nonsensical and hard to understand, but there is nothing
hard to understand from this. The New Testament says that
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none is righteous, no, not one, and it's through his
righteousness that we're righteous. Talking about Jesus. In other words,
the only way you can become righteous is through Jesus.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No other way.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You have to believe on Jesus, get to believe that
he died, that he died for your sins, rose on
the third day, and through his righteousness we are imparted
in some level of righteousness.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
There's several different scriptures that lay this out. I'm not
gonna go into them. You go find them yourself. They're
not that hard to find. These verses.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The scriptures put all of that nonsense into the wind.
It's just not true. This clearly says, clearly says that
he doesn't want anyone to die because they are sinners.
God has no desire for sinners to die. Because they're sinners.
All they got to do is turn away from their
wicked ways, ask for forgiveness, and then proceed to live
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in righteousness. When the righteous turn it away from righteousness
when things go wrong. It's very clear. If the wicked
will turn away from his sins that he's committed, keep
the statutes, do that which is lovely right, he will
surely live. He shall not die. You just got just
got to turn away. You got to say, oh, sorry
for that, God, I didn't mean to do that, and
then try to live a righteous life, which goes against
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another concept of the New Testament, which is it's faith
not works. You can't you can't do anything on your own.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
To make it right.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Only the faith will make it right. Only faith in
Jesus will make it right. Only faith in Jesus will
fix it. These sections of scripture demolish that whole theology.
It proves that the whole theology is wrong. The whole
thing about you can only be forgiven through a blood
sacrifice wrong. The whole theology that original sin. Because Adam
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and Eve sin are separated from.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
God, we inherited it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This whole theology that it's only through the shedding of
the blood and et cetera that we can be saved,
otherwise will surely die. Wrong, This whole concept that it's
not through your righteousness. There is no righteous person. No
one's ever been righteous. It's impossible to be righteous. Your
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righteousness comes from Jesus. I don't Christ wrong. These these
whatever seven, six, seven eighth scriptures prove without his shadow
of doubt, that theology is wrong. It's not compatible with
the concepts of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Verse twenty seven. Again, I'm repeating it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
He's said, repeating it for you, So I'm gonna repeat
it for you like he did. We're starting twenty seven.
When the wicked man's turning away from his wickedness, that
he's committed and do it that which is lawful and right,
he shall save his.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Soul what what verse twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Because he considereth and turneth away from all his transgressions
that he's committed, he shall surely.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Live and shall not what what verse thirty. Therefore, I
will judge you everyone according to was ways.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
If you're gonna be George judge according to your ways,
not about believing on Jesus does not what God says.
This is a prophet of God giving you the direct
words of God. Now, you either believe that that's true
or you don't. We can get into that later. I'm
just trying to show you that the New Testament is
not possible. Therefore I judge your one according to way
saith the Lord repent. Turn yourselves away from your transgressions,
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so iniquity will not be your ruin. Cast away your transgressions.
Do away with your sin, stop sinning and saying, stop
sinning all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed, and make
you a new heart and a new spirit. All that
stuff you gotta do. If you read the descriptions, all
that stuff and stuff you've got to do, you can't
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just go, well, I believe somebody else did.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It, and so therefore it's done for me. Now, No,
you got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So look, my deaconversion happened in steps, and the first
steps is reading passages of scripture like this is what
Wait a second, this If the stuff that I'm reading
about Jesus is right, then this stuff can't be right.
There's no way that both of them can be right
because they're two completely opposite theologies. They you know, I mean,
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just forget the fact that the New Testament brings in
a whole new guy, a guy with that's flesh and
blood like everybody else, and claims that he's the son
of God. But I mean forget all that. I mean,
that's a huge leap. The Old Testament never mentions anything
like that, nothing like that, And now it does away
with this personal accountability. It does away with that you
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can't be good, that you can't be righteous, that the
only way to be righteous is by believing in somebody.
It clearly says you can be righteous, you have to
turn away. That's number one, right, turn away, repent, and
then live right. That's it, That's that's the key. You
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gotta turn away from the sin. You gotta repent from
the sin, and then you got to start living right
and live a righteous life and be a righteous person
on your own. And that's the other problem I've always
had with this New Testament. This is how these murderers
can be Christians, And I mean the Christians still want
the death penalty, don't get me wrong. It makes me
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wonder if they really believe in forgiveness or not, but
they say they do. But you can just do anything
and just believe on Jesus and it's all what. It's
just done away with, you know what I mean, you
just you can just be the worst person your whole life.
You don't have to make amends. You just gotta believe
in Jesus.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You gotta ask for forgiveness from Jesus. You gotta believe
in Jesus and then that's it. Two step plain believe
in him and ask them for forgiveness. And to me,
this seems like.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
A really easy way out of all the bad stuff
people do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That seems like a I mean, that's a hell of
a shortcut right there. I mean, you become righteous by
doing that. So I mean, if you can read this
and you can still believe that the New Testament and
its theology is compatible with what the original God of
the Bible said, you know, I won't even get into
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these other things too.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm the words of God.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I changed, not right, Apparently he did change at some point.
My path to desconstruction, as I started to say, was
begin with reading stuff like this, which brings you to
the point of at some point, if you study and
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read enough and you begin to realize just.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
How incompatible that second half.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Of that Bible is from the first part of that Bible,
and how there's no way it could be right or accurate,
you then lose that right. You lose the whole old
Jesus story, the Christianity story, this blood sacrificed by human story,
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It quickly becomes nonsensical.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And even if he did exist, even if God named
Jesus did exist, and he did get killed and I
don't know, somehow came back to life.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I don't know, maybe he dead me it was a
trick whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Even if all that did happen, it's irrelevant because it's
a ruse. It's a decoy from what the Old Testament,
and the God of the Bible has always said. It's
completely change in his words. So you know that's the
first step you're rab at, Well, this is wrong. I mean,
I can defend pretty definitively say that since that is
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an offshoot of this religion, like Christianity is an offshoot
of Judaism and the God of Abraham Isaac and Jason Pisham.
If that's an offshoot of this, and it supposedly is
a part of the plan of the Old Testament, because
that's what they claim, that was his plan the whole time.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This was his plan for this Jesus dude to come.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Once you read the Old Testament, go, there's no way
that could be part of the plan because it's completely
impatible and unnecessary. That's the main part. It was unnecessary.
There was no need for Jesus because Christianity teaches.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You with it like, well, there was just no way.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean, you couldn't get forgiven, you couldn't there was
no absolution of sins. There was no you know, way
to become in a relationship with God. I mean, we
had to have him. And then you read the Old Testamenty, well,
that's not true at all. That's not true at all,
Nothing is true about that. And so that was so
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at some point me personally, I begin to definitively and
without question go, okay, there's just no way that's right.
There's there's no way that's right. And so now I've eliminated, uh,
you know, one religion from being a possibility, and I
don't have to think about it anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm like, Okay, that's not it. And this is how you.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Arrive at a place in life where you're non believer, right,
a non believer in and I actually clarify this, I'm
a non believer in any religion. That's how they're organized
religion that's out there. You know, we got to get
past Dionysus and Zeus and you know all these many
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other things that exists. When you read the Quran and
realize that it's incompatible with the Torah and and this
Hebrew text, and that's supposedly it's the same God, but
that the two things are incompatible, well then, I mean,
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you know this one came.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
First, right, the original Old Testament quote unquote Old Testament
Bible as we call it, came first.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
So if the Quran came after, it can't be right
because it says stuff that's not compatible's the same way
Christianity does. They just added some new chapters and claim
that it's an offshoot of this. It's a new, improved,
more clarified, more specific. No, this is what God really
wants us to do. So you can go, well, that's
not compatible with the original attestment, so that can't be
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right either. So okay, we've eliminated that one, and you
just to eliminate a religion by religion, eventually you're left
with this one. And then once you eliminate this one
is making any sense, which is the was the last step,
then you just eliminate all of them, which is where
I arrived at.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'm not a believer in any of them. Now, I
don't know is there.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Some kind of a creator or a being or something.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, I don't see any evidence for it. But
the universe is for sure a fantastical place, and so
you know, if something like that existed, it would be
doing amazing things, and if there was some sort of
evidence for it, I'd be open to it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But so I just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I can't say, you know, I'm one of those people
that says, I don't know if there is a god
or a creator or whatever. I mean, I don't know
who would it be, any none of these people, because
none of this stuff makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So I know, it's a lot to take in. And
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Trying to convert anybody to being a non believer, because
non believers are not in the business of converting people.
I don't care what you believe, but The only time
I ever care what anybody believes is when they try
to force it on me, Like you know, the Religious
Rights really trying to force these Ten Commandments in schools.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, you know, if I'm a parent.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I'm a Muslim, or I'm a Buddhist, or I'm
a whatever, and I'm sending my kid to school, and
now I got this teacher teaching out of a Bible.
I don't want my kid being taught some stuff I
don't believe in, just like you wouldn't want your kid
to being taught some stuff you don't believe it. Religion
is stuff that's done as a family. It's something that's
done on an individual basis. And you shouldn't be outsourcing
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your responsibility as a parent to a public school teach
your child religion.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's crazy to me. Why would you even do that?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Who are these teachers? Do they believe everything you believe
the way you believe it? I mean you want them
teaching some stuff that because I mean there's thirty five
hundred versions of Christianity in America, thirty five and they
all believe something different. Well, which one of them is
the is the woman in your kid's English class? That's
now whipping out the Bible to talk about something. I mean,
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why are you outsourcing religion to your school. That's the
dumbest thing ever. Oh, to make no country a better place. No,
it won't make the there's no way that there's in
no shape, form or fashion will that make the country
a better place. I know you want to believe it
because you believe fantastical things. That's the thing about the Bible.
The Bible coaches used to believe in these fantastical things
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that just aren't rooted in any form of reality. So,
you know, I'm this law abiding, nice, good for my
community Muslims, which many of them exist up until not
long ago when my Muslim friend died, I you know,
sought out a Muslim to become friends with, and I
got to know him fairly well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I got to know his wife somewhat.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And you know, not really his kids, but I know
of them and I know in their lives, and they're
just most wonderful people, you know, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He's gone now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But they're just wonderful people and great members of the
community and upstanding humans and stuff. But they don't believe this.
They don't believe Christianity. Know, why should they have to
go to a school where you are forcing your religious
beliefs on them. They don't need your religious beliefs. They
got their own religious beliefs. And that's why our constitution
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is very clear that the government doesn't endorse or take
part in, or anything in any kind of a religion.
It's not the freaking government's job to handle your religious
belief for you or for your kids. That's your job.
You're shirking your responsibilities as a parent if you think
it's up to the freaking school to be teaching your
kid to tend commandments and shit, that's just dumb. That's
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your job.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You do it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You teach them what you want them to know. You
take them to a church that teaches and believes the
way that you think they should be taught and believed.
Don't outsource it to some random person at your school.
Come on, oh boy, Gom'm sorry, It's just none of
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Anyways. Uh No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm not trying to deconvert anybody. I've just been sharing
my experience on here, and then people showed interest in it,
so I've done more episodes on it. But I'm not
trying to make you a non believer. I want you
to believe whatever it is you believe in, right up
to the point that you infringe on my life. You
can't tell me I can't do something because of the
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Bible you believe in says something because I don't believe
in it. I think it's nonsense. Are there some good
things in the Bible? Yeah, you can hunt and pick
in there and find some good things. There's some reasonable
there's also some complete nonsense in there, like take no
thought for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
One of the most.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Insane things I've ever heard of. What kind of a
life would you be living if you didn't plan for tomorrow?
And people tellt that is one of the greatest gool
Take no fault for tomorrow. The birds get fed, don't
worry about it, You'll be fed. Well, then, why are
we getting jobs and stuff? Why do we have bank accounts?
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I mean, we should all just be wandering around jobless,
waiting to get fed like birds. That's complete nonsense. It's nonsensical.
But if you find comfort in it, fine, I don't care.
I don't want to judge you for finding comfort in that.
I'm just saying that to me, it's nonsensical. I don't
think it stands up to any level of scrutiny, and
so I don't want any of it foisted upon me.
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You know what, are you going to start holding people
down and baptizing them against their will too? Because your
Bible says it. I mean, it's the same thing. You're
doing the same thing when you want it mandated that
your religious commandments have to be posted in a classroom
with a bunch of different kids, most of them that
you don't know, and you want their teachers to be
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able to teach something out of a Bible.
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You don't know nothing about.
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Their teacher, what they believe in, how they was raised,
what their beliefs on baptism or speaking in tongues or
prayer of faith, or any number of other issues that
we could go down that these denominations disagree on.
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You don't know what their positioning. You want them teaching
your kid that? That's insanity that you would outsource that
to somebody you don't know. That makes no sense. And
then beyond that, you want to force it on me
and my kids. You want to force them that teacher
now has to teach my kid that the Ten Commandments
is right, and the Bible is right, and read out
of it. That is the same thing as you mandating
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that the school teacher can grab my kid and dunk
them in a water tank and baptize them. Why because
the Bible says that, and the Bible's right, and we
need God in America and the only path to God
is baptism, and so effective, Immediately once kids get into kindergarten,
their teachers will be grabbing them and putting.
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Them in a pool and dunking them and.
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Baptizing them in Jesus name, because that's what the Bible is.
You're doing the same thing. The problem is you just
don't think it's extreme. When it's some kind of something
hanging on a wall. You don't see the extremity of it.
You don't see how insane that is. But if we
go a step further, which is the same thing, you
are forcing your religion on.
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Them, but with their eyes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
If you have teachers reading out the Bible, you're forcing
your religion on them with their ears. I mean, why
are we stopping there. Why don't we just force them
to get baptized. I mean, they're kids, right, The whole
thing is preposterous. Anyway, I think we'll wrap up this
episode there again, Ezekiel eighteen. If you want to read
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the whole chapter, I'll paste, copy and paste the relevant
verses down in the information section of this podcast, and.
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We'll wrap it up there. We'll see you in the
next one.
Hello there, Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show.
I'm the afore mentioned glad to have you here. Today
we're back on religion. I think this would be a
short episode today, but I guess, out of all the
podcasts I've ever done, and I've done a lot of
controversial podcasts.
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I.
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Did an Auburn Alabama podcast for a few years, probably
the most popular podcast.
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I've ever done. I did it with a buddy of mine.
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There's nothing more polarizing than Auburn Alabama, and he was
the Alabama fan. I'm the Alburn fan, and boy, we
got a lot of messages and feedback on that. And
then my weight loss and Health Journey podcast, where at
one time I was on a product called Plexus, which
was controversial.
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That's how it actually started.
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Then I was a vegan, a vegan for a while,
and then I transitioned into a raw food vegan for
a while. And then I was a fruitarian for a
while where all I ate was fruit. And then I
found Keto and we switched switched to Keto and we
talked about keto, and then I got into fasting, extended
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and intermittent fasting, and then we've talked some carnivor on it.
Nothing is more polarizing than any of those things. Like
veganism polarizes people. Boy, raw veganism really makes people lose
their minds. Then keto is very polarizing. Carnivores super polarizing.
Fasting people, they are going to die if you fast.
Like Anyway, my point is, out of all of those
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things that I've done in my podcasting history, nothing has
been more. I won't I'm not gonna lie and say
that I've gotten as many messages about these religious episodes,
but compared to how many people listen to these episodes, Yes,
because for instance, that Auburn, Alabama podcast, I mean, it'd
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be some weeks we'd have I don't know, a thousand,
two thousand and three thousand downloads or something, and you know,
we'd get a bunch of messages, but it'd be a
tiny fraction of the two or three thousand people that
downloaded it. Whereas this there's very few of you guys
that are subscribed and listening to this podcast. But it
feels like twice as many people will send me messages
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as people who actually listen. Anyway, we're gonna be taught,
I haven't figured out what the title this podcast yet,
so I'll give it some thought. I need a podcast that,
you know, delivers a thought and makes people want to listen,
because that's what you kind of do when you in
this kind of a game. But basically, we're asking the
question is Jesus necessary? And its Jesus compatible with the
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Old Testament, the Talman, the Torah. I mean you can
just there's a few Jews out there that have somehow
converted to Christianity. But the most part if you if
you ask a Jewish person, a really religious Jewish person,
I mean they will they can quote instantly, just verse
after verse after verse that definitely confirms to Christianity is
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not compatible with Judaism. There's no way one came from
the other.
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Anyway.
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I'm just gonna do a little bit of that today.
We're gonna be just looking at a short section of scripture.
And this is some scripture that I found a long
time ago. But if you want to pull up your
your Bible at home and go to Ezekiel eighteen you can.
The whole chapter really is about forgiveness and people doing wrong,
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people being wicked, people getting forgiven, people not dying but
finding life and all this kind of thing, same thing,
same themes as Christianity and the New Testament.
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So we're gonna start it. You know. Really twenty is
where on the start.
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But I want to back up a little bit and
talk about this concept of original sin, because without original sin,
Christianity really starts falling apart. Because the concept of original
sin is and this was the thing it always you know,
once I started becoming aware. It's not when I was
growing up, and not when I was in my early
late teens and early twenties where I actually was a
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diehard Christian and we traveled around with this gospel singing
group and we preached and traveled and did all that stuff.
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I mean, I was hardcore into it. That's how I.
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Actually became a non believer because I spent so much
time reading and studying the Bible and stuff.
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I was like, oh wait a second.
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You know, which I've said in previous episodes, if you
want a fast track to becoming a non believer, just
actually read your Bible. Like if you just go to
church and listen to what the preacher tells you, yeah,
you're fine. You'll never question anything if you aren't reading
the study in the Bible yourself. Yeah, anyway, So for
Christianity to be even necessary, but for sure to work,
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you have to buy into their concept of original sin.
And this is that Adam and Eve they sinned in
the garden. They were separated from God, and they're all
future generations inherited that betrayal.
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And so.
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Just because you're human, you're automatically guilty, like you are
born needing forgiveness.
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You just are human.
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You're separated from God, and they needed God needed some
kind of a way to connect us all back together again. Right,
we need to have some absolution. There needed to be
a path of forgiveness. There needed to be some kind
of a sacrifice.
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All these time things.
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So this section of scriptures obliterates all those concepts.
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It just wipes them out.
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Like you can't believe that what they wrote in the
New Testament is true and believe that the original Jewish
scriptures are true. You just can't believe both because they're incompatible.
So if we started our nineteen and I'm reading the
King James, because everybody I know is if it ain't
the King James, boy, it ain't real. Even though the
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King James is the worst translation of the Bible. But
I digress verse nineteen. Yet say we, why doth not
the son bear the iniquity of the Father? When the
Son hath done that which is lawful and right, and
has kept all the statues and has done them, he
shall surely live. The soul that sins it shall die.
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The son shall not bear the iniquity of the Father.
Neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the son.
The righteous of the righteousness of the righteous shall be
upon him, and the weakness of the wicked shall be
upon him.
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Immediately.
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These two verses dispel this myth that you could be
unrighteous and unholy and separated from God based on something
an ancestor of yours did. It doesn't work that way.
This is, by the way, this is many places in
the Old Testament. I just grabbed this one because it's
a neat little nutshell, because it goes on in these
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fallen verses to some other.
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Concepts I want to talk about.
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You can find us all through the Old Testament, like
this concept that Christianity came up with this original sin
and you're just born a sinner and you're in need
of grace from day one, it's just nonsense. You can't
believe that these two gods are the same. There's just
no way that this god they talk about in the
New Testament is the same as the god Ill Testment.
There's just no way. They are completely incompatible. So that's
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the first thing. The second thing, we'll start reading with
one verse twenty one, and we'll talk about it. But
if the wicked will turn from all his sins that
he had committed, and keep my statutes and do that
which is lawful and right, he surely live. He shall
not die. All these transgressions that he has committed, they
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shall not be mentioned unto him and his righteousness that
he hath done, he shall live. Have I any pleasure
at all that the wicked should die, said the Lord,
and not that he should return from his ways and live.
But when the righteous he turned away from his righteousness
and committed iniquity, and do it according to all the
abominations that the wicked man done, shall he live. All
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his righteous that he has done shall not be mentioned
in his trespassed that he is trespassed, in his sin
that he has sin. Yet say either way, the Lord
is not equal, how in old hair is not or
why he's not equal.
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When a righteous man turneth away from.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
His righteous and committeth to niquity, and dieth for them,
for his niquoli he hath done, he shall die. Nothing
is more clear in the Bible than these passages of scriptures.
And there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that
seems nonsensical and hard to understand, but there is nothing
hard to understand from this. The New Testament says that
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none is righteous, no, not one, and it's through his
righteousness that we're righteous. Talking about Jesus. In other words,
the only way you can become righteous is through Jesus.
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No other way.
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You have to believe on Jesus, get to believe that
he died, that he died for your sins, rose on
the third day, and through his righteousness we are imparted
in some level of righteousness.
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There's several different scriptures that lay this out. I'm not
gonna go into them. You go find them yourself. They're
not that hard to find. These verses.
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The scriptures put all of that nonsense into the wind.
It's just not true. This clearly says, clearly says that
he doesn't want anyone to die because they are sinners.
God has no desire for sinners to die. Because they're sinners.
All they got to do is turn away from their
wicked ways, ask for forgiveness, and then proceed to live
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in righteousness. When the righteous turn it away from righteousness
when things go wrong. It's very clear. If the wicked
will turn away from his sins that he's committed, keep
the statutes, do that which is lovely right, he will
surely live. He shall not die. You just got just
got to turn away. You got to say, oh, sorry
for that, God, I didn't mean to do that, and
then try to live a righteous life, which goes against
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another concept of the New Testament, which is it's faith
not works. You can't you can't do anything on your own.
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To make it right.
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Only the faith will make it right. Only faith in
Jesus will make it right. Only faith in Jesus will
fix it. These sections of scripture demolish that whole theology.
It proves that the whole theology is wrong. The whole
thing about you can only be forgiven through a blood
sacrifice wrong. The whole theology that original sin. Because Adam
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and Eve sin are separated from.
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God, we inherited it.
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Wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This whole theology that it's only through the shedding of
the blood and et cetera that we can be saved,
otherwise will surely die. Wrong, This whole concept that it's
not through your righteousness. There is no righteous person. No
one's ever been righteous. It's impossible to be righteous. Your
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righteousness comes from Jesus. I don't Christ wrong. These these
whatever seven, six, seven eighth scriptures prove without his shadow
of doubt, that theology is wrong. It's not compatible with
the concepts of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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Verse twenty seven. Again, I'm repeating it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
He's said, repeating it for you, So I'm gonna repeat
it for you like he did. We're starting twenty seven.
When the wicked man's turning away from his wickedness, that
he's committed and do it that which is lawful and right,
he shall save his.
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Soul what what verse twenty eight.
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Because he considereth and turneth away from all his transgressions
that he's committed, he shall surely.
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Live and shall not what what verse thirty. Therefore, I
will judge you everyone according to was ways.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
If you're gonna be George judge according to your ways,
not about believing on Jesus does not what God says.
This is a prophet of God giving you the direct
words of God. Now, you either believe that that's true
or you don't. We can get into that later. I'm
just trying to show you that the New Testament is
not possible. Therefore I judge your one according to way
saith the Lord repent. Turn yourselves away from your transgressions,
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so iniquity will not be your ruin. Cast away your transgressions.
Do away with your sin, stop sinning and saying, stop
sinning all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed, and make
you a new heart and a new spirit. All that
stuff you gotta do. If you read the descriptions, all
that stuff and stuff you've got to do, you can't
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just go, well, I believe somebody else did.
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It, and so therefore it's done for me. Now, No,
you got to do the work.
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So look, my deaconversion happened in steps, and the first
steps is reading passages of scripture like this is what
Wait a second, this If the stuff that I'm reading
about Jesus is right, then this stuff can't be right.
There's no way that both of them can be right
because they're two completely opposite theologies. They you know, I mean,
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just forget the fact that the New Testament brings in
a whole new guy, a guy with that's flesh and
blood like everybody else, and claims that he's the son
of God. But I mean forget all that. I mean,
that's a huge leap. The Old Testament never mentions anything
like that, nothing like that, And now it does away
with this personal accountability. It does away with that you
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can't be good, that you can't be righteous, that the
only way to be righteous is by believing in somebody.
It clearly says you can be righteous, you have to
turn away. That's number one, right, turn away, repent, and
then live right. That's it, That's that's the key. You
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gotta turn away from the sin. You gotta repent from
the sin, and then you got to start living right
and live a righteous life and be a righteous person
on your own. And that's the other problem I've always
had with this New Testament. This is how these murderers
can be Christians, And I mean the Christians still want
the death penalty, don't get me wrong. It makes me
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wonder if they really believe in forgiveness or not, but
they say they do. But you can just do anything
and just believe on Jesus and it's all what. It's
just done away with, you know what I mean, you
just you can just be the worst person your whole life.
You don't have to make amends. You just gotta believe
in Jesus.
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That's it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You gotta ask for forgiveness from Jesus. You gotta believe
in Jesus and then that's it. Two step plain believe
in him and ask them for forgiveness. And to me,
this seems like.
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A really easy way out of all the bad stuff
people do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That seems like a I mean, that's a hell of
a shortcut right there. I mean, you become righteous by
doing that. So I mean, if you can read this
and you can still believe that the New Testament and
its theology is compatible with what the original God of
the Bible said, you know, I won't even get into
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these other things too.
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I'm the words of God.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I changed, not right, Apparently he did change at some point.
My path to desconstruction, as I started to say, was
begin with reading stuff like this, which brings you to
the point of at some point, if you study and
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read enough and you begin to realize just.
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How incompatible that second half.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Of that Bible is from the first part of that Bible,
and how there's no way it could be right or accurate,
you then lose that right. You lose the whole old
Jesus story, the Christianity story, this blood sacrificed by human story,
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It quickly becomes nonsensical.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And even if he did exist, even if God named
Jesus did exist, and he did get killed and I
don't know, somehow came back to life.
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I don't know, maybe he dead me it was a
trick whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Even if all that did happen, it's irrelevant because it's
a ruse. It's a decoy from what the Old Testament,
and the God of the Bible has always said. It's
completely change in his words. So you know that's the
first step you're rab at, Well, this is wrong. I mean,
I can defend pretty definitively say that since that is
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an offshoot of this religion, like Christianity is an offshoot
of Judaism and the God of Abraham Isaac and Jason Pisham.
If that's an offshoot of this, and it supposedly is
a part of the plan of the Old Testament, because
that's what they claim, that was his plan the whole time.
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This was his plan for this Jesus dude to come.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Once you read the Old Testament, go, there's no way
that could be part of the plan because it's completely
impatible and unnecessary. That's the main part. It was unnecessary.
There was no need for Jesus because Christianity teaches.
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You with it like, well, there was just no way.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean, you couldn't get forgiven, you couldn't there was
no absolution of sins. There was no you know, way
to become in a relationship with God. I mean, we
had to have him. And then you read the Old Testamenty, well,
that's not true at all. That's not true at all,
Nothing is true about that. And so that was so
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at some point me personally, I begin to definitively and
without question go, okay, there's just no way that's right.
There's there's no way that's right. And so now I've eliminated, uh,
you know, one religion from being a possibility, and I
don't have to think about it anymore.
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I'm like, Okay, that's not it. And this is how you.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Arrive at a place in life where you're non believer, right,
a non believer in and I actually clarify this, I'm
a non believer in any religion. That's how they're organized
religion that's out there. You know, we got to get
past Dionysus and Zeus and you know all these many
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other things that exists. When you read the Quran and
realize that it's incompatible with the Torah and and this
Hebrew text, and that's supposedly it's the same God, but
that the two things are incompatible, well then, I mean,
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you know this one came.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
First, right, the original Old Testament quote unquote Old Testament
Bible as we call it, came first.
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So if the Quran came after, it can't be right
because it says stuff that's not compatible's the same way
Christianity does. They just added some new chapters and claim
that it's an offshoot of this. It's a new, improved,
more clarified, more specific. No, this is what God really
wants us to do. So you can go, well, that's
not compatible with the original attestment, so that can't be
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right either. So okay, we've eliminated that one, and you
just to eliminate a religion by religion, eventually you're left
with this one. And then once you eliminate this one
is making any sense, which is the was the last step,
then you just eliminate all of them, which is where
I arrived at.
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I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'm not a believer in any of them. Now, I
don't know is there.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Some kind of a creator or a being or something.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, I don't see any evidence for it. But
the universe is for sure a fantastical place, and so
you know, if something like that existed, it would be
doing amazing things, and if there was some sort of
evidence for it, I'd be open to it.
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But so I just don't.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I can't say, you know, I'm one of those people
that says, I don't know if there is a god
or a creator or whatever. I mean, I don't know
who would it be, any none of these people, because
none of this stuff makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So I know, it's a lot to take in. And
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Trying to convert anybody to being a non believer, because
non believers are not in the business of converting people.
I don't care what you believe, but The only time
I ever care what anybody believes is when they try
to force it on me, Like you know, the Religious
Rights really trying to force these Ten Commandments in schools.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, you know, if I'm a parent.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I'm a Muslim, or I'm a Buddhist, or I'm
a whatever, and I'm sending my kid to school, and
now I got this teacher teaching out of a Bible.
I don't want my kid being taught some stuff I
don't believe in, just like you wouldn't want your kid
to being taught some stuff you don't believe it. Religion
is stuff that's done as a family. It's something that's
done on an individual basis. And you shouldn't be outsourcing
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your responsibility as a parent to a public school teach
your child religion.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's crazy to me. Why would you even do that?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Who are these teachers? Do they believe everything you believe
the way you believe it? I mean you want them
teaching some stuff that because I mean there's thirty five
hundred versions of Christianity in America, thirty five and they
all believe something different. Well, which one of them is
the is the woman in your kid's English class? That's
now whipping out the Bible to talk about something. I mean,
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why are you outsourcing religion to your school. That's the
dumbest thing ever. Oh, to make no country a better place. No,
it won't make the there's no way that there's in
no shape, form or fashion will that make the country
a better place. I know you want to believe it
because you believe fantastical things. That's the thing about the Bible.
The Bible coaches used to believe in these fantastical things
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that just aren't rooted in any form of reality. So,
you know, I'm this law abiding, nice, good for my
community Muslims, which many of them exist up until not
long ago when my Muslim friend died, I you know,
sought out a Muslim to become friends with, and I
got to know him fairly well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I got to know his wife somewhat.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And you know, not really his kids, but I know
of them and I know in their lives, and they're
just most wonderful people, you know, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He's gone now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But they're just wonderful people and great members of the
community and upstanding humans and stuff. But they don't believe this.
They don't believe Christianity. Know, why should they have to
go to a school where you are forcing your religious
beliefs on them. They don't need your religious beliefs. They
got their own religious beliefs. And that's why our constitution
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is very clear that the government doesn't endorse or take
part in, or anything in any kind of a religion.
It's not the freaking government's job to handle your religious
belief for you or for your kids. That's your job.
You're shirking your responsibilities as a parent if you think
it's up to the freaking school to be teaching your
kid to tend commandments and shit, that's just dumb. That's
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your job.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You do it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You teach them what you want them to know. You
take them to a church that teaches and believes the
way that you think they should be taught and believed.
Don't outsource it to some random person at your school.
Come on, oh boy, Gom'm sorry, It's just none of
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Anyways. Uh No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm not trying to deconvert anybody. I've just been sharing
my experience on here, and then people showed interest in it,
so I've done more episodes on it. But I'm not
trying to make you a non believer. I want you
to believe whatever it is you believe in, right up
to the point that you infringe on my life. You
can't tell me I can't do something because of the
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Bible you believe in says something because I don't believe
in it. I think it's nonsense. Are there some good
things in the Bible? Yeah, you can hunt and pick
in there and find some good things. There's some reasonable
there's also some complete nonsense in there, like take no
thought for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
One of the most.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Insane things I've ever heard of. What kind of a
life would you be living if you didn't plan for tomorrow?
And people tellt that is one of the greatest gool
Take no fault for tomorrow. The birds get fed, don't
worry about it, You'll be fed. Well, then, why are
we getting jobs and stuff? Why do we have bank accounts?
(24:13):
I mean, we should all just be wandering around jobless,
waiting to get fed like birds. That's complete nonsense. It's nonsensical.
But if you find comfort in it, fine, I don't care.
I don't want to judge you for finding comfort in that.
I'm just saying that to me, it's nonsensical. I don't
think it stands up to any level of scrutiny, and
so I don't want any of it foisted upon me.
(24:36):
You know what, are you going to start holding people
down and baptizing them against their will too? Because your
Bible says it. I mean, it's the same thing. You're
doing the same thing when you want it mandated that
your religious commandments have to be posted in a classroom
with a bunch of different kids, most of them that
you don't know, and you want their teachers to be
(24:58):
able to teach something out of a Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You don't know nothing about.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Their teacher, what they believe in, how they was raised,
what their beliefs on baptism or speaking in tongues or
prayer of faith, or any number of other issues that
we could go down that these denominations disagree on.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You don't know what their positioning. You want them teaching
your kid that? That's insanity that you would outsource that
to somebody you don't know. That makes no sense. And
then beyond that, you want to force it on me
and my kids. You want to force them that teacher
now has to teach my kid that the Ten Commandments
is right, and the Bible is right, and read out
of it. That is the same thing as you mandating
(25:35):
that the school teacher can grab my kid and dunk
them in a water tank and baptize them. Why because
the Bible says that, and the Bible's right, and we
need God in America and the only path to God
is baptism, and so effective, Immediately once kids get into kindergarten,
their teachers will be grabbing them and putting.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Them in a pool and dunking them and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Baptizing them in Jesus name, because that's what the Bible is.
You're doing the same thing. The problem is you just
don't think it's extreme. When it's some kind of something
hanging on a wall. You don't see the extremity of it.
You don't see how insane that is. But if we
go a step further, which is the same thing, you
are forcing your religion on.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Them, but with their eyes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
If you have teachers reading out the Bible, you're forcing
your religion on them with their ears. I mean, why
are we stopping there. Why don't we just force them
to get baptized. I mean, they're kids, right, The whole
thing is preposterous. Anyway, I think we'll wrap up this
episode there again, Ezekiel eighteen. If you want to read
(26:34):
the whole chapter, I'll paste, copy and paste the relevant
verses down in the information section of this podcast, and.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
We'll wrap it up there. We'll see you in the
next one.
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