August 20, 2024 • 27 mins
A letter to the future about things we learned from the pandemic that shouldn’t be forgotten.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello there, Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show.
I'm the aforementioned Brett Mason. Glad to have you here today.
I'm going to take on a topic that, boy, this
topic cost me. Eh don't know if you'd call them friends.
If people abandon your friendship over science and points of
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view and concern for others, then first of all, were
they really friends? And second of all are they very
good people?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Really?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And then secondarily I guess primarily they should be. This
should have been number one is a loss of actual
people that I care about.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So gonna be talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
COVID, COVID response, lessons learned from COVID, and a note
that I would like to leave to future generations. I
hope that if God forbid, there's another pandemic, and there
will be at some point. That's how viruses work, It's
how nature works. Hopefully it'll at least be another one
hundred years, but please let me be gone, you know,
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before it comes. But if I could leave this episode
of this podcast out there for the many people who
may be around next time a respiratory virus comes along,
and I specify respiratory because that's the lessons we learned
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from COVID. There could be other type pandemics that come
that aren't respiratory.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is a reflection.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Of my mistakes, others mistakes, as well as things people
will right about. But overall, things we learned that we
could take into the next one. So first and foremost,
to be clear, it's abundantly clear that's shutting down the
world was the wrong thing to do. That's not to
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say that there should not have been drastic limitations set
and those limitations should have evolved over time, because that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
There should have.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Been limitations set, and those limitations should have evolved over
time as knowledge grew, which which didn't necessarily happen. But look,
there's certain things we'd understand about the spread of respiratory viruses,
Like we understand like all of them, they all work
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the same way, they all travel the same way. Now
they have different rates of incubation.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like you may.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
You know, the one thing that made COVID so devastating
those especially those early strains, But I guess it still
remains true for these later, less deadly strains, but is
that you could trends admit them to another person long
before you had symptoms.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Which makes it problematic.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, So understand this, If you get sick and you
feel bad and you can't leave the house right because
you have a virus, then you're not outspreading it to anybody.
So if if the only way you can really spread
it is after you've become sick and start feeling bad,
the number of people you're gonna affect is on average,
is gonna be low.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now, some people are still gonna.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Get out there, They're gonna power through, They're gonna do
the thing.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They don't care. Like I used to be one of
those people.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I used to think you were being heroic if you
showed up to work sick. And I used to never
take sick days, Like for years and years and years,
at the end of the year, I'd still have all
or nearly all of my sick days, like I just
wouldn't take them. Once I became a manager, and you know,
way long into my career, I finally moved into manage it,
and I started to see the effects of people coming
in sick because you're not doing anybody's in favor. Sure,
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you're coming into doing your job, but the number of
people that you're infecting while you're there at your job
means that for the next foreseeable future, people gonna be
staying out, not doing their best, not performing their best,
or missing work completely. You spreading it could lead to
multiple people missing multiple days at the same time, and
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it just causes such a strain on the workforce, the workflow.
And so you know, one of the best things you
can do if you get the flu is stay home.
You're not doing your company any favors by showing up,
you know, and you don't realize this until you're in management.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You have to deal with it anyways.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So these respiratory viruses and the way they spread, we
know how they spread. They all spread via mainly via
you know, droplets.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This is all true.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It is stuff they talked about during COVID It still
remains true. Airborne. It's an airborne pathogen. And so understand
that if like, if you had this by some way,
this this virus could be expelled from your mouth in
the air alone, isolated, it would just be one tiny, little,
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you know, infinanteseally small virus, and somebody walking by breathed it.
In a decent chance, your body would defeat it before
anything major happened. Now, when these viruses are expelled from
the lungs though they're attached to all these water droplets.
So you could have hundreds or thousands or millions of
viruses attached to a mist of small water droplets, and
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a person walks by and inhales and suddenly they've got
they're getting tens or hundreds or thousands of millions of
virus that they inhale it and it overwhelms. Right, So
now your body's response is super overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's just how they spread.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And this is what we know now to be clear,
and I've seen a lot of misinformations continue to be
posted about this, But MASK one hundred percent work. The
reason I didn't get COVID and I played and are operated.
I think I started in August, maybe July, but from
then on I operated in one of the most conducive
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atmospheres to catch COVID imaginable. And I was the only
person in that whole sphere of people that never caught
COVID because I bought in one hundred masks, not in
ninety fives, which in ninety fives would have been fine too,
but I wanted the best of the best. I went
and bought in one hundred masks. Now, these masks are
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this is the best protection you can.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Get in the disposable formula.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You can get these ones that which I wound up
buying one of these two in case of a worst
case scenario happened. But these ones that actually seal to
your face, and you have these removable filters that you
can screw on and screw off like those like if
you're if you're in a real bad you know, something
where it's like instant death, that's the kind of mask
you one, uh, which could happen. So I bought one
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with filters, and I having a closet case I need it.
But so I bought these in one hundreds, which are disposable,
but you can wear them, you like, you can wear them,
you know, as long as you keep them intact and
they don't get wet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You can you can wear them like a week every
day for a week if you.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Take care of them and they don't get wet or
nothing bad happens or whatever. But as you know, it
was hard to get your hands on mask at that time.
And I went on eBay and I found somebody selling
them and I paid twenty six dollars a piece for
these masks, and I paid a lot for them. But
now I took very good care of them. I wore them,
I cleaned them. I could wear them like seven eight
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days or whatever. And so what environment was I was
I in? Well, you know, basically, one of the few
things that I even do anymore in life is play poker.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But I play a ton of poker.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And so three four, five, six nights a week.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'd be spending six eight.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Nine hours around a poker table in a room full
of people, crammed with people, and then face to face
with eight other people, us all talking back and forth
and laughing and joking and having a good time with
each other, fewing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Back and forth.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Everybody that I played poker with, everybody that entered that
poker room all caught COVID. I was the only one
that didn't catch COVID. I was the only one why
because that had in one hundred mask on mask work.
Does slapping any old piece of cotton around your face work?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Barely?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It barely does anything. Now, there was several studies that
showed that if two people had these you know whatever,
you can find a slap around your face, you know,
wrap a T shirt around your face or whatever. If
two people did that and one of them had COVID,
it reduced the chance that the person that had the
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COVID would would spew enough particles through that cotton shirt
or whatever piece.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Of cloth you used.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It reduced it by about twenty percent, right, So still
eighty percent is getting through, but still it's a twenty
percent reduction. And when you have a virus that spreads
that fast, you can conduct reduce spread by twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But also it reduced by about twenty percent the person
on the other side catching it. So you have a
double multiplier, which which about forty percent. So one only
eighty percent makes it through this mask, and then only
eighty percent of that makes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It through the other mass.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I don't guess it's forty percent, it would be. The
total reduction would be eighty percent of eighty echo what's
eighty percent of eighty sixty four? So sixty four, So
you'd have about a sixty you'd be spreading about sixty
four percent rather than one hundred percent. Now, in a
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virus this deadly as it was, especially that delta variant,
but the original barrier is bad too. And an environment
like that where this multiplication rate is. I forget what
the rrate was and all that stuff, but I mean
it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It was massive.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That is huge. Man, you can reduce it by about
forty percent. I mean, you don't understand how that multiplies
over time. So they did help. But now what should
have happened was remember all those government resources that the
government put together to boy, there's cranked out millions and
millions and millions of these respirators or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So sure they should have made some of those.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For sure, I think because at the best time the
doctors was like us, you know, our best chance once
the patient gets past a certain point. They should have
produced some of those. But they should have took most
of that money, maybe seventy five percent of that money,
and dumped it into massively producing in ninety five high
quality in ninety five masks with detailed instructions on how
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to get the best seal, and they should have required
everyone who entered.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A building to have one of them on. Now I
know you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I saw all the I saw all the memes about
how we're being masked by the government and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I saw all of it. I saw all of it.
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You ever seen how people rightfully freak out about finding
out they were on a plane with somebody with tuberculosis,
or they were in an office with somebody with tuberculosis.
I can promise you right now, if the government mandated
that if you have tuberculosis that you must either wear
a mask that prevents it spread or cuts it spread dramatically,
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like by ninety percent or something, or else you can't enter,
I think people be pretty pretty fine with that. At
the time. This virus was spreading that fast and was
that deadly. I mean I lost nine people. I lost
nine people that I knew and cared about on various
degrees to COVID in a very short period of time.
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One of them was one of the people I loved
most in this world. It was it was you know,
if you have survived it unscathed, then you're one of
these people happy memories of COVID and nobody got sick,
Nobody you knew died. I mean, I'm proud for you.
But COVID was real. It was very deadly, and it
took a heavy toll on a lot of families and people.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So that's that's the number one thing. The next time we.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Have a respiratory virus, all government resources should be funneled
towards cranking out high quality in ninety five masks that
should be shipped to every household in America, and then
you should be required to wear them anytime you enter
a building. Now you shouldn't be required to wear them
in your car with your family, what you do with
your family, This was another mistake. What you do around
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your family should be your business up to a point,
what you do in your car, et cetera, what you
do when you're walking down the sidewalk. I don't think
people should have been having to wear masks walking down
a sidewalk, like the science doesn't support that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That matters all that much.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But when you entered into a building with other people
in these you know, people have to go to the
grocery store, people have to go to the pharmacy. You know,
people need to go do things. They got to go
to the bank, they got to go here and pay
bills or whatever. They don't have a choice. So anytime
you're in an environment like that where people have to
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go and they have to risk their health, the least
we can do is caused people to take a reasonable
amount of precautions to protect them. Now, I saw a
lot of people whining and bemoaning masks and stuff about
how horrible it was. I wore a freaking N one
hundred mask. There is no more restrictive mask than an
N one hundred mask, and I would wear it for
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six or eight or nine hours at a time.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And it was fine.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I didn't whine about in a bitch and moan like
a little cry baby about it. But I promise you this,
if during that time, I'm gonna use the example that
I'm familiar with, which was playing poker. If at that
time everybody that entered that poker room one had had
access to an N ninety five masker better, which they
didn't because they were short supply, and the ones that
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were out there they were trying to get to our medical.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
People, which was for sure what should have happened.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
For sure, they should have gotten first crack at it.
But had everyone had access to one, it could have
been made available and everybody had been required to wear
one of those once they entered that poker room. The
number of people that would have caught COVID during that
time in rumor, everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That room called COVID.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There's a lot of people that ain't in that room
nomore because.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
They died from COVID.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
There's a few people that are in that room now
that show up pulling oxygen tanks behind them, and they
will die earlier than they would have before COVID came along,
and they will always.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Wear oxygen to the grave.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I can name two off the top of my head
that I know, not to count the ones that I
know that died.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
One of them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
One of the guys that died in our poker room
was this young, healthy, very young, very healthy military guy.
It was shocking. People were just shocked to hear he
died of COVID. And then of course the theorist conspiracy
theories of well it wasn't really COVID, it was no,
it was COVID killed him. The number of people that
would have caught COVID in that room if we had
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had that available, if N ninety five we had have
been available to everybody, and once you got to the
door of that room, if you could not have entered
that pogram without an N ninety five or a better
mask on the number of people that would have caught
COVID or got sick or anything from that environment, and
they might have gotten somewhere else, but from that would
have been near zero, might have been two three out
of every hundred or something like. The death toll would
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have been decreased. These people pulling auction tanks around and
with a life expect to say, ten years less than
what it was before they got COVID, they would most
of them, most of all of them would still be fine.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So that's number. That's the number one thing that we learned.
That's backed by science.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's back by anticdotal evidence, my own actiodal evidence, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The number two thing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
At some point in this process, we started to learn
that the severe outcomes, the severe outcomes, which is you know,
debilitating illness, you know, hospitalizations and then deaths and all
this was massively skewed towards people you know over sixty
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or over sixty five, you know, something like that. Once
we knew that, then one hundred percent of our focus
should have been on protecting those people the most. We
should have come up with a plan to protect those
people the most, and it should have been, if not required,
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it should have been highly suggested that if you lived
with an elderly person that one you call this number
or go to this website and we will ship you
in ninety five masks and you wear them when you're
around in the same room with that person in your home. Now,
I don't think you can go on home and force
somebody to do it. But if we had gotten accurate
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information out instead of that misinformation of that dumb ass
Donald Trump did all the time, but actual, genuine, truthful,
helpful information, I think a lot of people would have
done on that, and a lot of elderly people would
not have succumbed to COVID. Now plenty still would have,
for sure, but we could have cut the numbers a
lot likewise, making sure the elderly new, Hey, it's a
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very high likelihood that you get really, really sick, and
if you survive it, you still could have lifelong debilitating
problems from it. And here's the best way you can
protect yourself. And they should have had masks and know, Hey,
here it is. You should not be around anybody unless
you're wearing this. If you have to go to the bank,
make sure you know whoever you near a car with
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like you should wear it even with them, like you
should go to extra measures, right, and then make sure
they had those masks available to them they could log
on the website or make a phone call or something,
and you know, get a couple of them sent to
them with proper care instructions here and I'll make this
thing last and here's how to wear it correctly to
get us through this phase for sure. And then secondarily
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to that, these institutions where all these elderly cap like
retirement centers and nursing homes and places like that, there
should have been super strict things implemented immediately upon us
knowing that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Those people were at high risk.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Do you know how many nursing homes full of people
died during COVID, Like massive amounts of people, and that
could have been curtailed greatly. It's somebody's grandma, somebody's mom
and dad in there that you know had ten years
of life left, you know gone. So this whole thing
about you know, everybody got a shelter at home, you
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know should have been moved to. If you're sixty year older,
you really need to be sheltered at home. And the
only time you should ever leave your house. Is under
the most extreme circumstances, you don't have a choice but
to get food. And what you should do is see
if you can call a neighbor or a family member
or a relative to ask them to when they go
shopping to pick up items for you and bring it
and leave it at your front door for you. And
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we should have had a big effort around trying to
make sure that our early did not have to get
out and.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Be exposed to this type thing.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
For sure, one hundred percent, this this you know, targeted,
targeted approach at at the core times when this was
a problem would have been fine.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
One of the biggest issues was churches, like you can't
go to church.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Look.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Churches tried to claim this was religious persecution, but they
weren't being treated any differently than the person that owned
the gym or the person that owned this other store
or this other place or whatever, you know, And so
it wasn't a religious.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Type of persecution. It was just a thing put in place.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, how how do we how could we have
handled things like that of a religious nature? You know,
I think that's a bit complicated, but I do think,
like what a lot of the churches did. I think
probably was a good idea to hold services out there side.
Certainly you could have done that during the warmer weather.
That's problematic during the wintertime. I don't know exactly what
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the answer to all that was, but what what I
think would have been most important is let's not have
these idiot preachers tell them out. It's up to Jesus.
I mean, that's so dumb. So many people died from
going to church. And of course, you know, when you're
in this be careful how I do my words here.
But when you're in this belief system that it doesn't matter.
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COVID takes you out and I'll be with Jesus so
everything will be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's dumb.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You don't know that. You assume that you believe it.
You ain't been over there. You don't know. The only
thing we do know is that life as we know
it ends, Life as you suspect happens afterwards.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
May or may not happen. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Can you guarantee that if it does happen, that they're
going to be in a heaven?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, you don't know. You hope they do, you so,
but you don't know for sure. And the Bible is
only complicated, trust me. I've studied the Bible now going
on for I don't know, like twenty five years, heavily.
There's so many contradictory things in there, and that you
know it can be from simples. Well, he believed on Jesus,
so he saved. He's fine all the way up to
Holy Cow. The list of hoops you got to jump
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through and things you got to do in life, you
got to live to make it, you know, straight as
the gate and arrows the way, So you know which
camp are you in? What is the straight way?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's the difference of opinion on all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So did they make it? I don't know. My mom,
one of the.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Most virtuous, devoted Christians ever, still was concerned about her
future right up till the day she died. She was
so scared she'd left something undone, or she didn't you know,
didn't do something she was supposed to do, or there
was something left that she hadn't, you know, Right up
to the end she was so even if you're right,
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it didn't no guarantee if COVID took you out that
you're gonna wake up in the good place.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You're hoping believing whatever, you don't know. Meanwhile, we're in
this life now which we want hundred percent no exists,
and we want hundred percent no is basically good most
of the time, until you know, something bad happens, so
you know, focus on the things you know. That's my opinion.
I just think these churches is too focused on well,
it'd be fun course.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
There after life.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They believe all that except for abortion, And they don't
believe that kids who would who they forced to be
born into bad homes with bad parents that should never
have kids, but they're forcing them to be born into
those situations because they don't allow abortion. For some reason,
they don't believe that those kids will be fine if
they just went from the womb straight to heaven. Why
don't they believe that, Like, those kids could be saved
a lifetime of misery and you know, bad childhoods and
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bad upbringings and adulthoods with outcomes that probably aren't going
to be good. You know, those kids could just skip
all of that and just go straight to the pearly gates.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like, why don't they believe it?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
For that like, again, don't well, I still don't mean
to turn this into religion. But religion is so dumb.
Religion is just dumb, man, the things people convince themselves
to believe the right and wrong and the equivalent is
between all of it. It's just it's nonsensical. It's just
absolutely nonsensical.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But I digress. I don't want this to be about religion.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So so I think those two things, primarily the focusing
on those two things that I've talked about so far,
would have would have for sure, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Done a lot more than what we did do.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
The lockdowns and stuff would have been way more effective,
would have been much more. You could have got people
to be much more compliant if we had had a
government that took the right tone. Unfortunately, had a freaking
president that took the exact opposite tone and just made
everybody high hostile about everything. And for sure, there was
some things you could be hostile about, but not everything.
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So I mean, that's why it's important who you elect
president Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But so there was that, and then.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We should never have forced people. There should never have
been forced vaccinations. Now I think the military is a
moot issue, like people getting up all of an arms
about the military. The military has been forced to get
vaccinations for as long as there's been vaccination.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That wasn't anything new.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Why people suddenly got all riled up about it and
thought it was a federal case as crazy? They just
was ignorant about the military clearly.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So I don't think that was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You want your fighting force to take every known precaution
as best as medical science can understand it, so that
we have them. They're very important, right, But otherwise, I
don't think people should have been forced to do vaccinations.
I do think if you worked in a nursing home
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you should have been You should have.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You shouldn't have had to have been forced.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You should have just signed up for it, you know
what you should be. Yeah, I work against around people
that we really don't want to get these people sick.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
They're not going to survive it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm here to care for them and take care of
them and their their health is my priority. That's why
I do this job. I should get vaccinated. But I
think as far as vaccinations go, they were sold as
a panacea of going to prevent things when I think
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clearly by the time we got vaccines. It had become
evident this virus was mutating into different strains so quickly
that vaccines probably would not be the end all be
all as far as prevention of spread and stuff. But
vaccines one prevented so many deaths. You can still go
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back and look at the numbers and compare the deaths
of people vaccinated versus deaths of people not vaccinated, and
it's clear it's not even closed, Like there isn't even
room for discussion. The only people who can discuss the
side that not getting vaccinated was better is dumb people.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's the only ones.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Only dumb people can argue that ignorant people in the
dark without a clue type people can argue that anybody
with half a lick of sense and a glass eye
with the ability to try to learn con see that the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Vaccinated fair way better.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And as far as that goes, even till this day,
two three years, four years removed from vaccines, when all
these harbingers of death talked about everybody that vaccinated was
just going to start dropping like flies into three years,
it hasn't happened. The vaccinated still fair better to this day.
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The people who have been vaccinated fair better long term.
So those are things we learned, things, mistakes were made,
and I would just like to leave this as an
open love letter to the future.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
The next time we have a.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Respiratory virus, these are reasonable steps, reasonable steps, efficacious steps,
and then we can leave the insanity behind and hopefully
you have better outcomes.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm gonna wrap it up here.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thank you so much for being here for I guess
what it'd be another crazy controversial Really apologize for throwing
the religion thing in there, but it just affects so
much of life in a negative way. It's hard for
me to talk about many things and it's not creep in.
But hopefully you kept that to a minimum and we'll
see in the next episode.
Hello there, Welcome into another episode of the Brett Mason Show.
I'm the aforementioned Brett Mason. Glad to have you here today.
I'm going to take on a topic that, boy, this
topic cost me. Eh don't know if you'd call them friends.
If people abandon your friendship over science and points of
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view and concern for others, then first of all, were
they really friends? And second of all are they very
good people?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Really?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And then secondarily I guess primarily they should be. This
should have been number one is a loss of actual
people that I care about.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So gonna be talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
COVID, COVID response, lessons learned from COVID, and a note
that I would like to leave to future generations. I
hope that if God forbid, there's another pandemic, and there
will be at some point. That's how viruses work, It's
how nature works. Hopefully it'll at least be another one
hundred years, but please let me be gone, you know,
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before it comes. But if I could leave this episode
of this podcast out there for the many people who
may be around next time a respiratory virus comes along,
and I specify respiratory because that's the lessons we learned
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from COVID. There could be other type pandemics that come
that aren't respiratory.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is a reflection.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Of my mistakes, others mistakes, as well as things people
will right about. But overall, things we learned that we
could take into the next one. So first and foremost,
to be clear, it's abundantly clear that's shutting down the
world was the wrong thing to do. That's not to
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say that there should not have been drastic limitations set
and those limitations should have evolved over time, because that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
There should have.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Been limitations set, and those limitations should have evolved over
time as knowledge grew, which which didn't necessarily happen. But look,
there's certain things we'd understand about the spread of respiratory viruses,
Like we understand like all of them, they all work
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the same way, they all travel the same way. Now
they have different rates of incubation.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like you may.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
You know, the one thing that made COVID so devastating
those especially those early strains, But I guess it still
remains true for these later, less deadly strains, but is
that you could trends admit them to another person long
before you had symptoms.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Which makes it problematic.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, So understand this, If you get sick and you
feel bad and you can't leave the house right because
you have a virus, then you're not outspreading it to anybody.
So if if the only way you can really spread
it is after you've become sick and start feeling bad,
the number of people you're gonna affect is on average,
is gonna be low.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now, some people are still gonna.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Get out there, They're gonna power through, They're gonna do
the thing.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They don't care. Like I used to be one of
those people.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I used to think you were being heroic if you
showed up to work sick. And I used to never
take sick days, Like for years and years and years,
at the end of the year, I'd still have all
or nearly all of my sick days, like I just
wouldn't take them. Once I became a manager, and you know,
way long into my career, I finally moved into manage it,
and I started to see the effects of people coming
in sick because you're not doing anybody's in favor. Sure,
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you're coming into doing your job, but the number of
people that you're infecting while you're there at your job
means that for the next foreseeable future, people gonna be
staying out, not doing their best, not performing their best,
or missing work completely. You spreading it could lead to
multiple people missing multiple days at the same time, and
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it just causes such a strain on the workforce, the workflow.
And so you know, one of the best things you
can do if you get the flu is stay home.
You're not doing your company any favors by showing up,
you know, and you don't realize this until you're in management.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You have to deal with it anyways.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So these respiratory viruses and the way they spread, we
know how they spread. They all spread via mainly via
you know, droplets.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This is all true.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It is stuff they talked about during COVID It still
remains true. Airborne. It's an airborne pathogen. And so understand
that if like, if you had this by some way,
this this virus could be expelled from your mouth in
the air alone, isolated, it would just be one tiny, little,
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you know, infinanteseally small virus, and somebody walking by breathed it.
In a decent chance, your body would defeat it before
anything major happened. Now, when these viruses are expelled from
the lungs though they're attached to all these water droplets.
So you could have hundreds or thousands or millions of
viruses attached to a mist of small water droplets, and
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a person walks by and inhales and suddenly they've got
they're getting tens or hundreds or thousands of millions of
virus that they inhale it and it overwhelms. Right, So
now your body's response is super overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's just how they spread.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And this is what we know now to be clear,
and I've seen a lot of misinformations continue to be
posted about this, But MASK one hundred percent work. The
reason I didn't get COVID and I played and are operated.
I think I started in August, maybe July, but from
then on I operated in one of the most conducive
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atmospheres to catch COVID imaginable. And I was the only
person in that whole sphere of people that never caught
COVID because I bought in one hundred masks, not in
ninety fives, which in ninety fives would have been fine too,
but I wanted the best of the best. I went
and bought in one hundred masks. Now, these masks are
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this is the best protection you can.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Get in the disposable formula.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You can get these ones that which I wound up
buying one of these two in case of a worst
case scenario happened. But these ones that actually seal to
your face, and you have these removable filters that you
can screw on and screw off like those like if
you're if you're in a real bad you know, something
where it's like instant death, that's the kind of mask
you one, uh, which could happen. So I bought one
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with filters, and I having a closet case I need it.
But so I bought these in one hundreds, which are disposable,
but you can wear them, you like, you can wear them,
you know, as long as you keep them intact and
they don't get wet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You can you can wear them like a week every
day for a week if you.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Take care of them and they don't get wet or
nothing bad happens or whatever. But as you know, it
was hard to get your hands on mask at that time.
And I went on eBay and I found somebody selling
them and I paid twenty six dollars a piece for
these masks, and I paid a lot for them. But
now I took very good care of them. I wore them,
I cleaned them. I could wear them like seven eight
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days or whatever. And so what environment was I was
I in? Well, you know, basically, one of the few
things that I even do anymore in life is play poker.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But I play a ton of poker.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And so three four, five, six nights a week.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'd be spending six eight.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Nine hours around a poker table in a room full
of people, crammed with people, and then face to face
with eight other people, us all talking back and forth
and laughing and joking and having a good time with
each other, fewing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Back and forth.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Everybody that I played poker with, everybody that entered that
poker room all caught COVID. I was the only one
that didn't catch COVID. I was the only one why
because that had in one hundred mask on mask work.
Does slapping any old piece of cotton around your face work?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Barely?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It barely does anything. Now, there was several studies that
showed that if two people had these you know whatever,
you can find a slap around your face, you know,
wrap a T shirt around your face or whatever. If
two people did that and one of them had COVID,
it reduced the chance that the person that had the
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COVID would would spew enough particles through that cotton shirt
or whatever piece.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Of cloth you used.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It reduced it by about twenty percent, right, So still
eighty percent is getting through, but still it's a twenty
percent reduction. And when you have a virus that spreads
that fast, you can conduct reduce spread by twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But also it reduced by about twenty percent the person
on the other side catching it. So you have a
double multiplier, which which about forty percent. So one only
eighty percent makes it through this mask, and then only
eighty percent of that makes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It through the other mass.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I don't guess it's forty percent, it would be. The
total reduction would be eighty percent of eighty echo what's
eighty percent of eighty sixty four? So sixty four, So
you'd have about a sixty you'd be spreading about sixty
four percent rather than one hundred percent. Now, in a
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virus this deadly as it was, especially that delta variant,
but the original barrier is bad too. And an environment
like that where this multiplication rate is. I forget what
the rrate was and all that stuff, but I mean
it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It was massive.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That is huge. Man, you can reduce it by about
forty percent. I mean, you don't understand how that multiplies
over time. So they did help. But now what should
have happened was remember all those government resources that the
government put together to boy, there's cranked out millions and
millions and millions of these respirators or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So sure they should have made some of those.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For sure, I think because at the best time the
doctors was like us, you know, our best chance once
the patient gets past a certain point. They should have
produced some of those. But they should have took most
of that money, maybe seventy five percent of that money,
and dumped it into massively producing in ninety five high
quality in ninety five masks with detailed instructions on how
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to get the best seal, and they should have required
everyone who entered.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A building to have one of them on. Now I
know you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I saw all the I saw all the memes about
how we're being masked by the government and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I saw all of it. I saw all of it.
But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You ever seen how people rightfully freak out about finding
out they were on a plane with somebody with tuberculosis,
or they were in an office with somebody with tuberculosis.
I can promise you right now, if the government mandated
that if you have tuberculosis that you must either wear
a mask that prevents it spread or cuts it spread dramatically,
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like by ninety percent or something, or else you can't enter,
I think people be pretty pretty fine with that. At
the time. This virus was spreading that fast and was
that deadly. I mean I lost nine people. I lost
nine people that I knew and cared about on various
degrees to COVID in a very short period of time.
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One of them was one of the people I loved
most in this world. It was it was you know,
if you have survived it unscathed, then you're one of
these people happy memories of COVID and nobody got sick,
Nobody you knew died. I mean, I'm proud for you.
But COVID was real. It was very deadly, and it
took a heavy toll on a lot of families and people.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So that's that's the number one thing. The next time we.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Have a respiratory virus, all government resources should be funneled
towards cranking out high quality in ninety five masks that
should be shipped to every household in America, and then
you should be required to wear them anytime you enter
a building. Now you shouldn't be required to wear them
in your car with your family, what you do with
your family, This was another mistake. What you do around
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your family should be your business up to a point,
what you do in your car, et cetera, what you
do when you're walking down the sidewalk. I don't think
people should have been having to wear masks walking down
a sidewalk, like the science doesn't support that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That matters all that much.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But when you entered into a building with other people
in these you know, people have to go to the
grocery store, people have to go to the pharmacy. You know,
people need to go do things. They got to go
to the bank, they got to go here and pay
bills or whatever. They don't have a choice. So anytime
you're in an environment like that where people have to
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go and they have to risk their health, the least
we can do is caused people to take a reasonable
amount of precautions to protect them. Now, I saw a
lot of people whining and bemoaning masks and stuff about
how horrible it was. I wore a freaking N one
hundred mask. There is no more restrictive mask than an
N one hundred mask, and I would wear it for
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six or eight or nine hours at a time.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And it was fine.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I didn't whine about in a bitch and moan like
a little cry baby about it. But I promise you this,
if during that time, I'm gonna use the example that
I'm familiar with, which was playing poker. If at that
time everybody that entered that poker room one had had
access to an N ninety five masker better, which they
didn't because they were short supply, and the ones that
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were out there they were trying to get to our medical.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
People, which was for sure what should have happened.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
For sure, they should have gotten first crack at it.
But had everyone had access to one, it could have
been made available and everybody had been required to wear
one of those once they entered that poker room. The
number of people that would have caught COVID during that
time in rumor, everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That room called COVID.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There's a lot of people that ain't in that room
nomore because.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
They died from COVID.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
There's a few people that are in that room now
that show up pulling oxygen tanks behind them, and they
will die earlier than they would have before COVID came along,
and they will always.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Wear oxygen to the grave.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I can name two off the top of my head
that I know, not to count the ones that I
know that died.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
One of them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
One of the guys that died in our poker room
was this young, healthy, very young, very healthy military guy.
It was shocking. People were just shocked to hear he
died of COVID. And then of course the theorist conspiracy
theories of well it wasn't really COVID, it was no,
it was COVID killed him. The number of people that
would have caught COVID in that room if we had
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had that available, if N ninety five we had have
been available to everybody, and once you got to the
door of that room, if you could not have entered
that pogram without an N ninety five or a better
mask on the number of people that would have caught
COVID or got sick or anything from that environment, and
they might have gotten somewhere else, but from that would
have been near zero, might have been two three out
of every hundred or something like. The death toll would
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have been decreased. These people pulling auction tanks around and
with a life expect to say, ten years less than
what it was before they got COVID, they would most
of them, most of all of them would still be fine.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So that's number. That's the number one thing that we learned.
That's backed by science.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's back by anticdotal evidence, my own actiodal evidence, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The number two thing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
At some point in this process, we started to learn
that the severe outcomes, the severe outcomes, which is you know,
debilitating illness, you know, hospitalizations and then deaths and all
this was massively skewed towards people you know over sixty
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or over sixty five, you know, something like that. Once
we knew that, then one hundred percent of our focus
should have been on protecting those people the most. We
should have come up with a plan to protect those
people the most, and it should have been, if not required,
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it should have been highly suggested that if you lived
with an elderly person that one you call this number
or go to this website and we will ship you
in ninety five masks and you wear them when you're
around in the same room with that person in your home. Now,
I don't think you can go on home and force
somebody to do it. But if we had gotten accurate
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information out instead of that misinformation of that dumb ass
Donald Trump did all the time, but actual, genuine, truthful,
helpful information, I think a lot of people would have
done on that, and a lot of elderly people would
not have succumbed to COVID. Now plenty still would have,
for sure, but we could have cut the numbers a
lot likewise, making sure the elderly new, Hey, it's a
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very high likelihood that you get really, really sick, and
if you survive it, you still could have lifelong debilitating
problems from it. And here's the best way you can
protect yourself. And they should have had masks and know, Hey,
here it is. You should not be around anybody unless
you're wearing this. If you have to go to the bank,
make sure you know whoever you near a car with
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like you should wear it even with them, like you
should go to extra measures, right, and then make sure
they had those masks available to them they could log
on the website or make a phone call or something,
and you know, get a couple of them sent to
them with proper care instructions here and I'll make this
thing last and here's how to wear it correctly to
get us through this phase for sure. And then secondarily
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to that, these institutions where all these elderly cap like
retirement centers and nursing homes and places like that, there
should have been super strict things implemented immediately upon us
knowing that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Those people were at high risk.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Do you know how many nursing homes full of people
died during COVID, Like massive amounts of people, and that
could have been curtailed greatly. It's somebody's grandma, somebody's mom
and dad in there that you know had ten years
of life left, you know gone. So this whole thing
about you know, everybody got a shelter at home, you
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know should have been moved to. If you're sixty year older,
you really need to be sheltered at home. And the
only time you should ever leave your house. Is under
the most extreme circumstances, you don't have a choice but
to get food. And what you should do is see
if you can call a neighbor or a family member
or a relative to ask them to when they go
shopping to pick up items for you and bring it
and leave it at your front door for you. And
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we should have had a big effort around trying to
make sure that our early did not have to get
out and.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Be exposed to this type thing.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
For sure, one hundred percent, this this you know, targeted,
targeted approach at at the core times when this was
a problem would have been fine.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
One of the biggest issues was churches, like you can't
go to church.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Look.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Churches tried to claim this was religious persecution, but they
weren't being treated any differently than the person that owned
the gym or the person that owned this other store
or this other place or whatever, you know, And so
it wasn't a religious.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Type of persecution. It was just a thing put in place.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, how how do we how could we have
handled things like that of a religious nature? You know,
I think that's a bit complicated, but I do think,
like what a lot of the churches did. I think
probably was a good idea to hold services out there side.
Certainly you could have done that during the warmer weather.
That's problematic during the wintertime. I don't know exactly what
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the answer to all that was, but what what I
think would have been most important is let's not have
these idiot preachers tell them out. It's up to Jesus.
I mean, that's so dumb. So many people died from
going to church. And of course, you know, when you're
in this be careful how I do my words here.
But when you're in this belief system that it doesn't matter.
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COVID takes you out and I'll be with Jesus so
everything will be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's dumb.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You don't know that. You assume that you believe it.
You ain't been over there. You don't know. The only
thing we do know is that life as we know
it ends, Life as you suspect happens afterwards.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
May or may not happen. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Can you guarantee that if it does happen, that they're
going to be in a heaven?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, you don't know. You hope they do, you so,
but you don't know for sure. And the Bible is
only complicated, trust me. I've studied the Bible now going
on for I don't know, like twenty five years, heavily.
There's so many contradictory things in there, and that you
know it can be from simples. Well, he believed on Jesus,
so he saved. He's fine all the way up to
Holy Cow. The list of hoops you got to jump
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through and things you got to do in life, you
got to live to make it, you know, straight as
the gate and arrows the way, So you know which
camp are you in? What is the straight way?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's the difference of opinion on all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So did they make it? I don't know. My mom,
one of the.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Most virtuous, devoted Christians ever, still was concerned about her
future right up till the day she died. She was
so scared she'd left something undone, or she didn't you know,
didn't do something she was supposed to do, or there
was something left that she hadn't, you know, Right up
to the end she was so even if you're right,
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it didn't no guarantee if COVID took you out that
you're gonna wake up in the good place.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You're hoping believing whatever, you don't know. Meanwhile, we're in
this life now which we want hundred percent no exists,
and we want hundred percent no is basically good most
of the time, until you know, something bad happens, so
you know, focus on the things you know. That's my opinion.
I just think these churches is too focused on well,
it'd be fun course.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
There after life.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They believe all that except for abortion, And they don't
believe that kids who would who they forced to be
born into bad homes with bad parents that should never
have kids, but they're forcing them to be born into
those situations because they don't allow abortion. For some reason,
they don't believe that those kids will be fine if
they just went from the womb straight to heaven. Why
don't they believe that, Like, those kids could be saved
a lifetime of misery and you know, bad childhoods and
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bad upbringings and adulthoods with outcomes that probably aren't going
to be good. You know, those kids could just skip
all of that and just go straight to the pearly gates.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like, why don't they believe it?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
For that like, again, don't well, I still don't mean
to turn this into religion. But religion is so dumb.
Religion is just dumb, man, the things people convince themselves
to believe the right and wrong and the equivalent is
between all of it. It's just it's nonsensical. It's just
absolutely nonsensical.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But I digress. I don't want this to be about religion.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So so I think those two things, primarily the focusing
on those two things that I've talked about so far,
would have would have for sure, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Done a lot more than what we did do.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
The lockdowns and stuff would have been way more effective,
would have been much more. You could have got people
to be much more compliant if we had had a
government that took the right tone. Unfortunately, had a freaking
president that took the exact opposite tone and just made
everybody high hostile about everything. And for sure, there was
some things you could be hostile about, but not everything.
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So I mean, that's why it's important who you elect
president Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But so there was that, and then.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
We should never have forced people. There should never have
been forced vaccinations. Now I think the military is a
moot issue, like people getting up all of an arms
about the military. The military has been forced to get
vaccinations for as long as there's been vaccination.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That wasn't anything new.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Why people suddenly got all riled up about it and
thought it was a federal case as crazy? They just
was ignorant about the military clearly.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So I don't think that was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You want your fighting force to take every known precaution
as best as medical science can understand it, so that
we have them. They're very important, right, But otherwise, I
don't think people should have been forced to do vaccinations.
I do think if you worked in a nursing home
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you should have been You should have.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You shouldn't have had to have been forced.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You should have just signed up for it, you know
what you should be. Yeah, I work against around people
that we really don't want to get these people sick.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
They're not going to survive it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm here to care for them and take care of
them and their their health is my priority. That's why
I do this job. I should get vaccinated. But I
think as far as vaccinations go, they were sold as
a panacea of going to prevent things when I think
(25:25):
clearly by the time we got vaccines. It had become
evident this virus was mutating into different strains so quickly
that vaccines probably would not be the end all be
all as far as prevention of spread and stuff. But
vaccines one prevented so many deaths. You can still go
(25:47):
back and look at the numbers and compare the deaths
of people vaccinated versus deaths of people not vaccinated, and
it's clear it's not even closed, Like there isn't even
room for discussion. The only people who can discuss the
side that not getting vaccinated was better is dumb people.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's the only ones.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Only dumb people can argue that ignorant people in the
dark without a clue type people can argue that anybody
with half a lick of sense and a glass eye
with the ability to try to learn con see that the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Vaccinated fair way better.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And as far as that goes, even till this day,
two three years, four years removed from vaccines, when all
these harbingers of death talked about everybody that vaccinated was
just going to start dropping like flies into three years,
it hasn't happened. The vaccinated still fair better to this day.
(26:39):
The people who have been vaccinated fair better long term.
So those are things we learned, things, mistakes were made,
and I would just like to leave this as an
open love letter to the future.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
The next time we have a.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Respiratory virus, these are reasonable steps, reasonable steps, efficacious steps,
and then we can leave the insanity behind and hopefully
you have better outcomes.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm gonna wrap it up here.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thank you so much for being here for I guess
what it'd be another crazy controversial Really apologize for throwing
the religion thing in there, but it just affects so
much of life in a negative way. It's hard for
me to talk about many things and it's not creep in.
But hopefully you kept that to a minimum and we'll
see in the next episode.
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