October 20, 2024 • 37 mins
EJ, Scott and Pat discuss the 2024 American League Champion New York Yankees.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
For going to the World Series. This is the Barkby Podcast.
I'm e J. Fagan today I'm joined by Scott Moss.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, J, I was busy. How was the game?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know, it went pretty well? And Pat Gunn.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hi happy to be here, excited to be here? Are
we wanted to swear in this podcast?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I know, I think that our good friend Paul Simon
Dinger would would look poorly upon us, and so we
have to use veiled swears for the most part. But
hell yeah, right, I mean, I my voice you might
hear my voice is blown out. I was yelling at
my TV screen in an empty house. Pat, I want
to ask you you you were a kid, a very
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young kid, in two thousand and nine. Yeah, So, I mean,
how's it feel? I mean, this is this is this
is the first time you ever remember the Yankees going
to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I mean, I mean, yeah, it's awesome. I mean I
vaguely remember the last game, the Matsui home runs, in particular.
I don't know how much of that is from watching
the game when it happened and from Yankee geography.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's like me series, right, like I in theory I
watched it, but.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right right, Just like I really didn't start closely following
this team until twenty ten. So it was the Nick
Swisher walk off single, the day they honored after George
Steinbrenner died. That's this, That's like the moment I really
started to become a fan. So I never really got unfortunately,
haven't gotten to experience a Yankee title run. And I
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usually you expected to happen with a team that's like,
you know, just this perfect group machine just going through October,
and that hasn't really been this team. But I honestly
it's been. This team has been really rewarding. I think
every game they've had to fight for and it's really
it's just so cool to be in this. I'm so
happy that they're here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's so happy to have a championship series that is
an off.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, it's been great, honest. These Cleveland games have definitely
maybe maybe kind a few years off the end of
my life, but man, they've been fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I started doing this podcast in twenty fourteen, right, so
this is the only playoffs, you know, like like the
championship series that I have done a podcast for that
has been fun. I mean, maybe the game seven against
Houston series. I was fun, but it just kind of
ended kind of with a dud. But but for the
most part, it's just bank been frustration and and and
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just not great play. And he's are going to the
World Series, Scott. You know, I'll ask if you're kind
of your your your intellectual takeaways in a second, but
how are you feeling right now?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm feeling great. I mean Pat referred to this a
minute ago. He said, this is something like, sorry if
I'm putting words in your mouth that this isn't a
perfect team, but they're a fun team and they're an
exciting team. In a way that made it more exciting.
You know, watching this team all season and in the playoffs,
you're not thinking team of destiny. They won one hundred
and ten games. They're gonna steam all everybody. I remember
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that from ninety eight actually, but that makes it really
exciting because when Soda hit that bomb, I was thinking,
oh my god, they actually did it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I honestly thought it was a flyout.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah I think he did too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That was a great I mean, what an incredible what
an incredible series. I mean, this is going to go
down as the greatest five game series of all the
five game championship series of all time, because the three
games in Cleveland, every single one of them were classics.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Just just just incredibly fun to watch. I'm having a ball.
Let's let's let's do some analytical stuff though, Scott take
away big picture takeaways about the state of the team
right now based upon what you saw in this series.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
They're good enough, but it's pretty seat of our pants,
you know, walking on the edge of a needle or
whatever your overwrought metaphors. I mean, this is a good team.
They deserve to be in the World Series. I'm not
sure there's a better team given that this year, as
everybody's talked about all year, there's no mega team. There
was no team that blew everybody away in either league.
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I mean, the Dodgers all the pitchers went down, and
the Yankees have been very good. But they're good enough,
you know, they could pull it off. It's nice that
Radon is looking good. That's huge because then they have
the real rotation. But they've got some holes. They got
some guys who I'm not very confident in, and we
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could all disagree about. I think everybody has differences of opinion.
On which guys are not confident in. But everybody has
an opinion that there are three or four guys that
they're biting their nails. They're not sure why they're playing
as much, so it makes it much more interesting. But
like Pat said, losing years off your life, this has
been exciting. But you know, excitement comes along with anxiety
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producing because you know and go either way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I only felt the anxiety yesterday. That was the game
where I was like, oh man, this could go real bad,
real quick, whereas like today, I was just having a ball.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The first couple of games, you know, the Yankees were
leading for the most part, so it was fine.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You were in hyper anxious. Today Gas is two to two.
They look good again. They have a good bullpen. We
don't Boone hasn't aversion to pinch hitting. So I felt
like when the longer it goes on to too, the
worse I feel right up until that last inning, you
didn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, I'll tell you why. I felt like the
Yankees were the clearly better team basically at all times,
and that they were just constantly on the verge of
blowing every one of these games open. And the Cleveland's credit,
like they made plays when they had to. Their defense
was was excellent plays like the the the incredible relay
throw to get Labor out in the first inning. Like
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they just kept doing this, but that they needed to
kind of dance in the head of that needle in
order to win a game. Whereas the Yankees were just
constantly putting pressure on the Guardians and they they're start
pitching was going much longer than the Guardians. They were
seeing all of their great relievers again and again and
again and again, and it's just eventually they cracked. And
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and that's what happened in every game, Like in every
game the Yankees would score one run, just struggle to
push away grounded to a double play in the inning,
right like and and but they would just slowly build
a win and then lock it down with really great
bullpens for the most part. And to me like that
that I just felt like confidence that just the longer,
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the more reps you see, the more the Yankees are
gonna win. So even if they didn't win tonight, they'd
win against they went with Cole in the Mountain Game six.
The thing that I was really thinking was like, Okay,
like if we win in game six, you know how tight?
Does that? Does that have implication for the World Series
as a tire at the bullpens? Screw up your rotation.
We'll talk about all that. But but they want They
won tonight, so it doesn't matter. Pat your your big
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picture takeaways.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think you said it. I'm really it's great that
they were able to win this game. I was kind
of going in between because on one hand, if they
win this game, then Cole is gonna be sitting for
a bit. But on the other hand, I think it's
more important because the big thing is they get to
rest their bullpen and they use their top guys a lot.
Tim Hill pitched in every single game in this series.
Clay Holmes pitched in four of five, so as did
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Luke Weaver. Tommy Canley pitched a lot, Jake Cousins had
a lot some longer outings, and now Ian Hamilton is hurt.
So it's gonna make the Yankees were in a buye.
They had to go to Mark Lighter in multiple big situations,
a pitcher who was pretty awful for the Yankees ever
since that trade. So it's a good thing that they're
gonna be able to get the rest and they were
to get the job done. I think I gotta give
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I will tip the cap to Cleveland for I ain't
know the series would be close, and they just made
almost every game really difficult. The New York games were
a little bit more comfortable, but man, once they got
to Cleveland, they made the Yankees earn it. And I
gotta give them credit. I think they kind of weren't
the bitch and the Yankees were two years ago when
they had to go to the five game series oddly
enough against Cleveland, I think, especially because they just don't
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have a rotation that could consistently give them innings all
that they just over extended their bullpen a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And it reminds me exactly when the Yankees went to
go face the Astros. Yeah, and they were just completely spent. Yeah,
they just I think that they fought again. They fought hard,
but like almost all their relievers had had moments.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Kate Smith the three run homer in the Stanton in
Game four Class A. Both of his first two appearance,
Hunter Gaddison gave up the homer Judge and obviously this one.
And I think that their margins were fairly tight. You
mentioned their defense and by and larger, do you think
Cleveland had a great defensive series. I mean that that
play by Jimenez in Game three going in the hole
on Chisholm, that was an incredible play and by Naylor
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on the other end too. But whenever they made a mistake,
the Yankees were really able to take advantage, like the
Game one and the pop the game to the drop
pop up by Rochio that led to the judge by
again with judge up that led to the run, and
then and then ib was biby was shortened the game.
This game there was the air by Rochio again, Rochio
bobbling the ball in Game four by Verdugo, Like it
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just felt like the Cleveland had to be like close
to perfect as possible, and they weren't. And I think
I got it. And I'll give to the Yankee side.
I think I've been critical of the Yankees this season.
It just kind of felt like a lot of points
this year that didn't feel like this team was going
to be able to get it done right. All the
mistakes and you could see in the first inning there
was the moment when Glabor was thrown out, the bad
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send home in the first sinning, but they've been able
to just pick themselves ups at punch after punch after
punch Cleveland throughout them. The bullpen today is at a
rough couple games with today incredible. I mean, I mentioned Hill,
you could have honestly make a case for Tim Mill
for MVP in this series. And I don't think I'm
being hyperbolic when I'm saying that he pitched every single
game and he was excellent in almost all of them.
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Jake Cousins was phenomenal. That was nast After he struggled,
especially in Game four, he came right back out and
just they needed that. They really needed that with Holmes unavailable,
they needed that. And I thought Rodn looked I thought
Rodn looked mostly solid. I think it sucks that he
wasn't able to finish the fifth inning, but but I
thought he looked pretty good for the most part, and
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he's looked pitched real and considering that Cleveland it's better
against lefties by a lard, By and large, I thought
Rodn did a really, really good job in this series.
He probably was their best starter overall. And I think
that the Yankees when they needed to, they were able
to come up big in the big moments, and I
think it's obviously you're gonna look at Stanton one MVP
the home runs, and those were massive, all of them.
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Soto had the best at one of the best at
bats I've ever seen that bad against Gaddis in the
tenth inning. Way the way he was swinging, the way
he was fouling off pitches, he looked incredible, exactly what
you would want to see there. But I think there
were also little contributions here and there. Glaber Torres had
a great series at the plate. He every he got
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on base often to start off games and just got things,
got the ball rolling so many different times. Austin Well
has had a rough series overall. I don't think anyone's
going to say that. But other that bat in the
tenth inning, he was able to go to he was
down one two against Gaddis and then work a walk there.
That was so important to get a base runner there
in a period where Cleveland with Cleveland had had somewhat
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of an advantage, and it just was There's just a
lot of contributions. Mark I mentioned Lighter, who was really rough.
He got them out of a jam in the seventh inning,
yesterday and today again was able to get Lane Thomas
like just a lot of almost every every everything clicked
at different points. Not saying it was a perfect performance,
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it wasn't. But they got the job done and they
were able to come they like they've done a lot this. See,
the season hasn't even with all the talent, this hasn't
been the cleanness of watches. But then able to bounce
back and now they get a nice little bit of
some couple of days off to rest for the World Series. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I mean, I want to talk about some individual players
in a second, but just my my big picture thought
here is like having a good bullpen is over a
great bullpen is overrated because you can't rely on a
great bullpen for seven games. In a seven game series,
Cleveland had the best bullpen in the major leagues, undisputed.
Right just loaded with absolute destructive relievers Right Classe, Gaddis
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Smith are all better than anything the Yankees have. And
it didn't matter because one they saw them. The Yankees
saw them so many times they started to be able
to hit them. They got tired. It's late in the season.
You're already wearing down these relievers. You need starters. And
I think that the Yankees won this series in large
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part because they had better starting pitching. They'd have great
starting pitching, right but other than Roddan's first start, they
didn't really have a great start for anybody. But they
got guys deeper into the games. I mean, the Guardians
were pulling their starting pitchers in the second inning and
it just it just didn't work. And I think that
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that's the greatest strength of the Yankees right now. It's
weird to think that this is this is not a
great rotation, and yet they are leaps and bounds better
than the Dodgers, leaps and bounds better than the Guardians.
We can talk about the Mets. I I just to me,
if they're gonna win the World Series, it's it's going
to be largely on the backs of those guys. And
I think rot Don's Game one performance, like you don't
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give MVPs to pictures very often and maybe if you
had pitched another great start today, to me, that that
was that was a huge point in the series because
it allowed the Yankees to not burn all of their
bullpen right away and be able to be able to
kind of survive a little bit later in the series.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That was an ace performance for Odn incredible. He was
dominant for I thought he looked pretty good today. He did.
I thought he looked good too, And I.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Think they just they pulled him earlier, earlier than they
would have, just because they had they had the you know,
it was an elimination game. Let's talk about some minute
and go for Scout.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I was gonna follow about the bullpen. Totally agree on
bullpens both get overrated and over analyzed because you know
a couple of things going on. Because believers only throw
like sixty innings a year, it's easy to freak out
about someone being good or bad based on two good months.
Two good months are like twelve innings. So I feel
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like we learned that Clay Holmes is still basically a
really good reliever, and I think Mark Lighter is still good.
I think he just ran into the tiniest bit of
wildness and some bad home run luck in those two
months with the Yankees. I think that the difference between
the bullpens get overrated because some Yankee guys got underrated,
namely Holmes and Lighter and Cousins is back from the injury,
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but also and I wonder about this. I'm not sure.
I think the scouting kills some bullpen guys because I
read somewhere I've been reading and listening to so much
about the Yankees, I forget what's where. So apologies are
not giving someone credit. But that weavers change up has
been amazing, but as of Game two and three, they
were crushing it. So he stopped throwing it then, and
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that screams that in a short series that's the playoffs,
you can scout the heck out of the top three relievers.
And maybe they did that with Class A. They sure
did that with Weaver. And then suddenly the fact that
relievers dance on the head of a pin because you know,
as Trevor Hoffin said, if you were a pitcher with
three good pitches and control, you'd be a starter, not
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a reliever. So I think they're exploitable in a way
that a good starter isn't. But even their starter scouting,
like Cole started throwing more sinkers. I didn't know what
to make of that. It was weird. I think this
scouting that we don't see is an underrated part of
what's going on, and it's.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Why I think it was Houston's real secret weapon. Like
Houston always seemed to just have the Yankees figured out
and pitch them perfectly and just just own them. And
and I think that. I think that when you can
zero in on one objective, which is this series, every
you know, every ounce of the organization is pointed to
this series right now, I think that can really shine through.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
There's one more important believer observation a half, which is
that this just bugging me. I didn't see Tim Hill
pitch that much during the year because he, you know, whatever,
it was in their real year and not to go to.
But he looked familiar and I figured it out. I
texted you, EJ. If you're listening to this, google Max
Va side out older actor's been everything. Tim Hill, now
in his early thirties, looks exactly like Max Fun's side
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about ten years ago. It's eerie. They could be cousins
or long lost whatever. So you'll appreciate if you do it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, Jim Hill, I think it looks like he pitched
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I love it. A lefty side, I mean, like you
don't see that stuff anymore. I like, guys are different
in a.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
World were more.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We need more side armors in baseball, Like it's actually
one of those things that now batters probably don't see
them that often. And so if I'm if I'm a team,
I'm trying to find guys like Tim Hill because he
was I mean, the Yankees don't win the series with
that Tim Hill. He was so important, was a key moments.
I like your point that he like like if we
were if we were warning like like third place MVPs,
I think he might get one of those. Yeah, let's
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let's talk about some individual players. The MVP of the
series is John Carlos Stanton. The most insane a stat
or fun fact they read during the broadcast. He had
eight He was eight for forty against Cleveland in in
Cleveland in the playoffs. Because he's played Cleveland a billion
times and all eight hits were home runs. It's nuts, John,
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I mean, I patch John Carlos Stanton redeemed himself.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Ah, yes, he's done this. I mean, I don't know
if he's done this every time when he's been in
the playoffs. He's been one of the eighties best postseason
hitters ever since he got here, I mean twenty twenty.
You mentioned the Guardian series. But he was carrying them
in that series, like he just always comes up with
big moments, and this series in particular, I mean that
the game against the Royals, Game three, the tight game.
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He carried them this series. It felt like every homer
he hit was an important one, especially in Cleveland, the
go ahead one off Class A with runners on second
and third, one out, they could have walked him, they didn't,
and he hit the home run off off Smith. Then
Biby is rolling today, just gets the U one. After
that Judge double play, I thought it was over because
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Stanton looked horrible his first couple of bats and his
first two swings that bat weren't that good that he
stopped chasing, and then Biby made one mistake and that
was all it took. He was just he was lethal
in this series. They couldn't really miss with him. They
I think I saw something from Mike Petriello MLB debt
work that willbeh doc Lby analysts that basically saying that
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stan had been facing a lower diet of breaking pitches
this postseason, which is sort of odd, maybe helping a
little bit, but like in fairness, in this game, Bibey
was certainly not shying away from his secondary stuff. He
was getting from pretty awkward swings on those pitches and
it worked. So it was it was a really it
was I mean, what can you say. I mean, he's
he's he's been clutched for a lot of his Yankees career.
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I think when he's played, really and this postseason he's done.
He's been, he's been. He's given them the power that
they've needed.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
All Right, Well, let's each pick one player that we
haven't talked about yet to sing their praises. So Scott,
give me one player that we should talk about and
whose praises need need to be sung.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Whose praises need to be sung?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I ain't go with Mark Later, you know what I
feel like, what an incredible moment. Yeah, I saved the
Yankees game yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And even at that, he's like the guy who don't
get no respect. Because I get he got left off
the roster. I still like him better than Tim Mas
or whoever, or you know, Frankly Stroman. I would have
put him on because look, Mark Leiner, I remember when
he came to the Yankees. You and I EJ. Were like,
this is our best reliever now and I still think
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he might be way up there along with the circle
of trust. It's just that he ran into a tiny
bit of garbage luck and about twenty innings. I mean,
the idea that this is a guy who's been good
had to be a good year. Has been good for
a bit, but in twenty innings he gave up one
or two more home runs, there would be a good season.
I mean, that's three starts. You know, do we let
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go of a starting pitcher we trained forcus at three starts?
This is white relievers. Who knows if they're any good?
You know, they don't get enough innings to tell us.
But I think that he got left off the roster
came in. I like how we did past two days.
I felt bad that that goofy three stooges routine that
he and Rizzo did a first base. The announcers seemed
to be blaming Lighter for it. So I feel like
good for him. He got out the roster. It worked
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out well. I'm glad he didn't develop some sort of
complex and panic disorder based on this whole experience. And
I'm pulling for him.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All right, Pat give me a player.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, I'm you know, just I think I don't think
he said his name yet, but Anthony Rosso, uh.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
This is this is that discussion point. I think this
is out of nowhere. I mean, I don't know if
I would say he looks incredible at.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
The plate, but he got hits, and he got some
solid singles and some big moments. The double in Game
two and getting the sixth inning after Cleveland had been
coming back that led to a run. Another that was
another misplay in the outfield Cleveland. He started, he started
a couple of rallies. I started the I think he
started with him who was starting. He was part of
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the rep. I think he just was part of a
couple of different rallies in this series. Man, Like I
don't I did. This is something I did not expect
at all from him, you know, I thought I I
honestly just was like, if he just plays solid defense
and doesn't doesn't hinto all a ton of double plays,
I'll be okay. And he's been better as a hitter
of this series, which is kind of surprising.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Scott and I were texting before the series, being like,
what the hell are they doing? Yeah, I mean, again, in.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Fairness, if he's healthy enough to play and they're not
really willing to play ben Rice. I think it's fine.
He was fine keeping in the roster. But he's honestly
looking OK. The only thing he can't He hasn't hit
a homer yet since coming back in September, which you
would love to see.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But I mean, he hasn't really hit for power at all,
no hit, but he has hit like solid line.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
He's been productives. He has been productive, and I think
having that at the bottom of the order has really
helped a lot. Just it like sns the lineup so
much and I don't know how much more to expect
from it from Rizzo. I'd love him to be better defensively,
but honestly good. He's been really grinding it out and
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So Scott, were we wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Based on the series. I admire the you know, take
your admission out to his perfermance. Admire the gosh dar
and dad gum heck out of Anthony Rizzo. I mean,
the man's playing with eight figures on his hand and
he's playing baseball. I mean, how the vibrations don't cause
him to break down into searing pain? You know, after
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every piece of contact. The bad is amazing to me.
I mean, I really admire this guy. I think is
a mistake. I do not believe in his performance. I
think he's been atrocious in the field. This is going
to date me. I was at the Bill Buckner game
in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
On the first baseline. Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Really, I was actually pulling for the Red Sox because
I hated the nineteen eighty six Mets that much. You know,
so my least favorite teams, the Red Sox is a
Yankee fan, the mess. But Bill Buckner limped to first
base on a walk, and if I remember right the fifth,
sixth or seventh, and my dad and I looked at
each other. I was pretty young, and I was asking
him like is this guy okay? That was like, no,
he's not okay. And then he couldn't been down for
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a grand ball. And that's you know, the World Series.
Anthony Rizzio's giving me vibes of that when yeah, it
was a goofy played where Mark Letter tossed him a
ball and rizzle couldn't been down. But then there was
a grounded to his left that he sort of stabbed
at rather than jump bat. I think the man is
just not okay on some level.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
The reflexes aren't quite that reflexes aren't the same.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They had been pulling him late in games.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes, exactly. Tell John Birdie and Oswaldo Cabrera players with
less experience at first base, and Cabrera looked pretty good
first base defensively today. He made a good play to
get that double play.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The last thing about Rizzio will say is that you
know the contact it's giving me Alex Ridugo and April vibes.
I mean, when it's all about back control, and he
has isolated power of one hundred during the regular season
and last year and this playoffs. I don't think that's
sustainable against good pitching. So you know, he's not Stephen Qualm.
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So I feel like, let's go back to our priors
before he became and basically Kurage Hilding with a bloody
sock is like Anthony Rizzo won the World Series with
eight fingers, World set up four and that's cute.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So I think I got I disagree a little bit,
like I think if I need a single, there's a few.
They're not that many players in this on this team.
I prefer to have Anthony Rizzo up over like I
it just feels like he has like these are not
these are not been cheap, but they have not been
Alex for Dugo hits where he he's not like their
line drives and they are they're hit their hit hard enough.
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Right there, he's not gonna he can barely hit a double,
right he's not gonna. He's not hitting home runs. But
like there, there's something more real about this than just
like bat at balllock, I think, and to me that
like that, considering the alternatives, I think that I think
Rizzo is the best left handed hitter other than Soto
on this roster. Uh And so when you think about
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constructing a lineup, if you want to do a lefty righty,
you know, alternating lineup, I think he got a bat
him like cleanup.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'd still put Chism above him. I think I just
think is not a rough series. He's had a rough series.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
He's had a rough rough month and a half, like
a rough sea. He looks he's swinging at everything, and
he's so talented that sometimes that results in a single
like I did late in the game today, right that
was a big deal. And he's been you know he's
been he's fast on the bases and all that. I
just I think I think Rizzo is a better bet,
is better protection, and.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
The other considerations you spotted. I listened to the episode
you did Eja, it was you and I forget who
before the series. I mean, if there's someone better than Rizzo,
they're not a lot better at best. So I don't
think they're gonna lose by playing Rizzo. I just I'm
glad that Boone's willing to take him out for defensive placement.
Can I just ski related question, which is you mentioned
Chisholm's been bad for a month and a half. Austin
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Wills is he okay? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Injured? Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's I don't know
if it's the season. I hope he's not hurt because
I mean he's still able to do He was able
to hit that home run in Game four. And I
think his play, his plate discipline has been kind of
off this postseason. He's been swinging missing a lot, and
I don't I I think that that was just what
was big about this tenth inning at bat, because I
think because Gadd has tried to throw him the high fastball,
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a pitch that Wells has been swinging and missing out
a lot this postseason, and Wells was able to lay
off of it. So I don't I don't know. I
don't like. It's tough to assume it so effectively.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wild pointed out that every single catcher in the postseason
has been awful. Yeah, and I just think like they're.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Warn except bon Naylor was pretty good today.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh yeah, Boone, And yeah, right, bon Naylor had a
good series, but like Will Smith on the Dodgers has
been awful. Yeah, you know, was awful.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, Alvros had a good Game five, but the rest
of this postseason wasn't very good.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I like, I just think that I think he's
worn down. I think it looks great on defense, Like,
I think he looks better than he ever has on
defense right now.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The what supports the interpretation of he's guessed is that
he's not swinging and missing or striking out more even
in the last terrible month. It's just that the contact
is crappier, which supports the idea of just worn down.
It's not like his knee hurts and he flinches when
he swings like DJ or something you know. So yeah,
I mean that cuts in favor of I hope the
off days help, but they haven't yet. So the hope
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is that, I don't know, in the next week, you
hope that like Luke Weaver and Clayhomes and Austin Wells
can go to a spot together and get some sort
of like you know, reiki, acupuncture, massage and be renewed
for a week later.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean, I think those extra days of rest really matter.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They do. I know people talk about baseball it's the
rhythm sport, and I think that there's for Cole is
probably the one player I might agree with them because
he's so it's so important that he just gets in
a groove. But man, they just they've used their top
guys almost every single game, like Weaver. I think Game
four was the first game that Weaver didn't pitch this postseason,
and he still got up to warmed up in that game,
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like they've I get. I think I'll give credit to
Aaron Boone. I think he's mote for the most part,
managed well. He's pushed the right buttons so far, and
I think it makes sense to go to your top
guys when you need to because you can't. You don't
really want to save them, but yeah, they have to.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They also pitched everybody, right, like other than tim Beza
and Strumman, like every everybody got into these games.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Think he's only brought eight eight relievers in on like
the Dodgers, who brought ten. I think.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Their daughters had to go to both end games.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Also, Yeah, I mean the Doughters only had three starters.
Yeah the uh and and you know Cleveland brought ten relievers.
I think they basically had three starters. Yeah, one been
Lively I think was in theory a starter.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Grant Williams was a Grant Williams who pitched Game four.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I mean it's they they just didn't. Like the
Yankees are the only team that have a full set
of starters right now. The Mets kind of, I guess.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh, Gavin Williams. I think it was Gavin Williams.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Gavin Williams. And you know, the Yankees did really well
against Cleveland starters for the most part. They didn't always
break a ton of runs across, but they knocked him
out early in the games. Today was the one game
where bbe looked pretty good bye.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, he was great. He was cool. I thought after
the first inning, I really thought they messed up with
the first inning. But Stan was able to make it
a man that stand home. It's huge. And actually, I'm
sorry you J and I if you're going to bring
this player up. But there's one player I don't think
we have talked about. He's had a good post season,
Anthony Volte.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That was I was gonna be my pick, tell me
about Uh No, I'll let you go. Look, I think
that this is the best Anthony Vope he's ever looked.
I'm he he he's not hanging for any power. I
think he is one double this postseason. But he's getting
on base. He's still on a couple of bases, he's walking,
he's working the count. I saw some some data showing
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he's swinging a lot less than he ever has, but
when he does swing, he's swinging harder than he ever Yes,
I like to me that that's very telling, Like that
is a very careful approach on the part of all
b and I just think the fact that he's he's
deep in the lineup, he's not the center of anybody's attention.
He can he's had some rest. I think he I
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think he can just he can just chill, and he
looked great on defense. I think this is I think,
as you're number six or seven hitter, he's a massive
asset right now and I'd like to see a little
more power out of him. But for now, like, as
long as he keeps getting on base, I think he's
incredibly valuable. And I really kind of hope this is
(29:59):
a preview of the future of Anthony Volpi. Like has
he figured out how to bat? Did he just need
some rest?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
What is like?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
What? What did did he find something? Because he went
up against a two very tough pitching staffs in the
Royals and Guardians and has a four to eighty five
on base entering tonight and they get two hits tonight, right,
So like just incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think the patience is the big
thing here because he's not really he's not chasing as much,
he's not swinging and missing as much, and he's being
more willing to take He's he didn't really walk that
much for most of the season. Being able to get
on base is so important.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, the other thing is he's twenty three, yeah, and
you know the Yeggies aren't really old, like they have
a lot of guys in their late twenties and mid
to late twenties. But I think that matters at this point.
Like I wonder if Judge's gassed, because he's thirty three,
and he's been playing center field and has been on
base more than any player other than Barry Bonds ever
(30:54):
this season. And you know, he's still hit hit a
couple of big home runs, but other than those home runs,
you know, also grinding in about eight grinding into like
eight double plays, And I think that could be an
age that and Volpi is one of the youngest players
on the field for any of these teams, and maybe
that that's just an asset right now. Maybe he's he's
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holding up later into the postseason then the other guys.
All right, so we talked about a bunch of players.
It's late, We've gone thirty one minutes. I don't want
to talk too much more. Let me quickly ask you, Scott,
and then and then Pat, who do you want to
face in the World Series.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I was wondering about that, and the answer is, I
don't know. I'm tempted to say the Mets. I mean,
there are two answers to that question. What's fun and
what's the weaker opponent.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Let's let's let's go from the weaker opponent perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I mean, you got to say the Mets are you.
I don't want to overthink it. But when the Dodgers
are down so many starters, and yes they were down
some of those starters a lot of the year, but
they had Tyler Glass and not a lot of the year.
When their fourth starter is bullpen day and walker ruler
has been bad since mid last year when he came back.
Yamamoto hasn't looked particularly good since he came back.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't believe it is clary thinker flarity threw stinker.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, absolutely, and then the dog. I was listening to
a bit of that on Dodgers Radio and they said, yeah,
Jack's got nothing tonight. And by the way, here's what's
going on when you rely on bullpen days your fourth starter.
There's this The announcers were literally saying, they were being
a little homer but blunt for the Dodgers. They were saying,
you know, Jack's just got to eate some innings because
you know, bullpende takes up a lot of relievers, so
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there's a cost to that. So I really think the
Dodgers are paper Tiger and the Mets just started that good.
So I'm feeling good about whoever it is. If I
had to pick which is weaker, I got to say.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
The Mets, though, Yeah to me, like, I'm with you,
Like that's the core dilemma here, right, The Mets are
the least talented team, But the Dodgers feel like they're wounded, right,
They're beat up on a pat Who would you rather
face the house?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's probably general answer. Yeah, I think I'll go the Dodgers,
just because I think they really messed up. They messed
up in Game five. They had the Mets right where
they wanted them, and then Flarerity you said it, Flarry
didn't have anything, and they let the Bets back in
the series. I think the Mets are in a really
good place with Sean and I on the mound for
Game six to win and force the Game seven. I
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mean the same thing. The thing is, I mean the
Dodgers that that top of the order man to show, Hey,
o TODDI has been excellent in this series. Mookie Betts
has been excellent this series. The Askar Hernanez has come
up with the big hits keyk Hernandez has just turned
on a different mode since he's done it in the playoffs.
Andy Pa has just had a great game. The only
big player on Big Bopper, I mean Max Mounts, He's
been great, the only big other than Wilsmith, the other
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Big Bopper. That's a question mark with Dodgers Breddie Freeman,
and he's also playing injured. But yeah, the pitching set,
I mean, their bullpen I think has done better than
I thought it would after the Padres went up two
games to one, I didn't know how much more to
expect from them Dodgers. I certainly didn't expect him to
go thirty innings coming up a run. At the same time,
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they're gonna have to use a lot of like Cleveland,
they needed to go through those pitchers a lot just
to get to this point. So it's I think, i'd say,
by a hair the Dodgers the Mets. They're the Mets
bullpen I'm not concerned about. Frankly, their bullpen hasn't been
Their bullpen was their biggest weekid coming in October, and
their bullpen hasn't really been very good. But their starters
I think have been mostly hold up enough, they actually
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have a They have at least four to five starters
they can get. They have five starters they can go to,
plus Tyler mcill I think Sean and I have been really,
really excellent. Joseck and Tan has been mostly good. Savarino's
postseason experience has really helped out. You have Dated Pete,
David Peterson, who can just get a ton of soft contact.
They and I'll point this out that the only the
Yankees only losses this postseason have come against left handed starters,
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and all the left handed starters the Mets.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That to me, that's the big one right now. The
good news is the Mets have a righty bullpen.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah. And for the record, I don't think the Yankees
lost those games just because of the left handed starters.
They were only the offense just didn't really do much
period against the world's bullpen in that game, and the
Yankees were in position to win the boyd start until
we regal.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I mean, to me, the lefty righty thing is the
reason why I pick the Dodgers. Like the Dodgers have
a one left handed pitcher on their entire roster. Right
Anthony Banda not not a very particularly good pitcher, and
so like the the Yankees are the best offense in
baseball against righty's, you know, they they clearly have like
struggled to figure out their lineup against lefties, and the
Mets will throw a ton of lefties at you. So
(35:32):
I I let's do Let's have a slug fest. Let's
go o Tani versus Judge. Like to me that that
that could be a lot of fun. I also think
like there's like a weird like Oani might pitch in
the World Series kind of. I think he could, like
like he has been rehabbing, and Dave Roberts did not
rule it out.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But it's not a good idea, but it would be great.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean great, great content.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, alright.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Let's just have big team of destiny vibes right now.
I wouldn't want to deal with them.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
The thing is, I don't I think they've lost the
team team of destiny thing because the Dodgers have kind
of beat them in a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well, if they come back from that.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
That's true, you're right, but but I just yeah, I
I want to face the Dodgers. I think we're going
to face the Dodgers. Obviously I don't know. Right Well,
all right, you guys, thank you so much for joining me. Everybody,
thank you for listening. We'll be back probably on Thursday.
The next game, the game one will be on Friday,
so we'll probably be back on Thursday to preview the series.
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But you know, keep a lookout on your feeds. Enjoy
it if you guys, If anyone here is young, like Patton,
doesn't really remember the World Series, the two thousand and
nine World Series, or the nineties World Series is or
you know, Scott the sixties, I am man, you know,
I enjoy it. This is this is fun, you know,
(36:52):
regardless of what happened in the World Series, the Yankees,
for the first time in fifteen years, are going to
play for a title. And I'm excited and and I
love this team and I love watching them, and you know,
whatever happens, it's gonna be fun. So we'll be here
on the podcast to cover it. I see you all
on Thursday. Have a nice week off, I guess, and
you know, someone go down to the Bahamas and see
(37:12):
the Yankees Yankee chilling out for.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
A few days.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Everybody, Thank you, so much for listening. This has been
your Bronx Speed podcast
For going to the World Series. This is the Barkby Podcast.
I'm e J. Fagan today I'm joined by Scott Moss.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, J, I was busy. How was the game?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know, it went pretty well? And Pat Gunn.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hi happy to be here, excited to be here? Are
we wanted to swear in this podcast?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I know, I think that our good friend Paul Simon
Dinger would would look poorly upon us, and so we
have to use veiled swears for the most part. But
hell yeah, right, I mean, I my voice you might
hear my voice is blown out. I was yelling at
my TV screen in an empty house. Pat, I want
to ask you you you were a kid, a very
(00:53):
young kid, in two thousand and nine. Yeah, So, I mean,
how's it feel? I mean, this is this is this
is the first time you ever remember the Yankees going
to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I mean, I mean, yeah, it's awesome. I mean I
vaguely remember the last game, the Matsui home runs, in particular.
I don't know how much of that is from watching
the game when it happened and from Yankee geography.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's like me series, right, like I in theory I
watched it, but.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right right, Just like I really didn't start closely following
this team until twenty ten. So it was the Nick
Swisher walk off single, the day they honored after George
Steinbrenner died. That's this, That's like the moment I really
started to become a fan. So I never really got unfortunately,
haven't gotten to experience a Yankee title run. And I
(01:41):
usually you expected to happen with a team that's like,
you know, just this perfect group machine just going through October,
and that hasn't really been this team. But I honestly
it's been. This team has been really rewarding. I think
every game they've had to fight for and it's really
it's just so cool to be in this. I'm so
happy that they're here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's so happy to have a championship series that is
an off.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, it's been great, honest. These Cleveland games have definitely
maybe maybe kind a few years off the end of
my life, but man, they've been fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I started doing this podcast in twenty fourteen, right, so
this is the only playoffs, you know, like like the
championship series that I have done a podcast for that
has been fun. I mean, maybe the game seven against
Houston series. I was fun, but it just kind of
ended kind of with a dud. But but for the
most part, it's just bank been frustration and and and
(02:28):
just not great play. And he's are going to the
World Series, Scott. You know, I'll ask if you're kind
of your your your intellectual takeaways in a second, but
how are you feeling right now?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm feeling great. I mean Pat referred to this a
minute ago. He said, this is something like, sorry if
I'm putting words in your mouth that this isn't a
perfect team, but they're a fun team and they're an
exciting team. In a way that made it more exciting.
You know, watching this team all season and in the playoffs,
you're not thinking team of destiny. They won one hundred
and ten games. They're gonna steam all everybody. I remember
(03:02):
that from ninety eight actually, but that makes it really
exciting because when Soda hit that bomb, I was thinking,
oh my god, they actually did it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I honestly thought it was a flyout.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah I think he did too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That was a great I mean, what an incredible what
an incredible series. I mean, this is going to go
down as the greatest five game series of all the
five game championship series of all time, because the three
games in Cleveland, every single one of them were classics.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Just just just incredibly fun to watch. I'm having a ball.
Let's let's let's do some analytical stuff though, Scott take
away big picture takeaways about the state of the team
right now based upon what you saw in this series.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
They're good enough, but it's pretty seat of our pants,
you know, walking on the edge of a needle or
whatever your overwrought metaphors. I mean, this is a good team.
They deserve to be in the World Series. I'm not
sure there's a better team given that this year, as
everybody's talked about all year, there's no mega team. There
was no team that blew everybody away in either league.
(04:11):
I mean, the Dodgers all the pitchers went down, and
the Yankees have been very good. But they're good enough,
you know, they could pull it off. It's nice that
Radon is looking good. That's huge because then they have
the real rotation. But they've got some holes. They got
some guys who I'm not very confident in, and we
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could all disagree about. I think everybody has differences of opinion.
On which guys are not confident in. But everybody has
an opinion that there are three or four guys that
they're biting their nails. They're not sure why they're playing
as much, so it makes it much more interesting. But
like Pat said, losing years off your life, this has
been exciting. But you know, excitement comes along with anxiety
(04:53):
producing because you know and go either way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I only felt the anxiety yesterday. That was the game
where I was like, oh man, this could go real bad,
real quick, whereas like today, I was just having a ball.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The first couple of games, you know, the Yankees were
leading for the most part, so it was fine.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You were in hyper anxious. Today Gas is two to two.
They look good again. They have a good bullpen. We
don't Boone hasn't aversion to pinch hitting. So I felt
like when the longer it goes on to too, the
worse I feel right up until that last inning, you
didn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, I'll tell you why. I felt like the
Yankees were the clearly better team basically at all times,
and that they were just constantly on the verge of
blowing every one of these games open. And the Cleveland's credit,
like they made plays when they had to. Their defense
was was excellent plays like the the the incredible relay
throw to get Labor out in the first inning. Like
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they just kept doing this, but that they needed to
kind of dance in the head of that needle in
order to win a game. Whereas the Yankees were just
constantly putting pressure on the Guardians and they they're start
pitching was going much longer than the Guardians. They were
seeing all of their great relievers again and again and
again and again, and it's just eventually they cracked. And
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and that's what happened in every game, Like in every
game the Yankees would score one run, just struggle to
push away grounded to a double play in the inning,
right like and and but they would just slowly build
a win and then lock it down with really great
bullpens for the most part. And to me like that
that I just felt like confidence that just the longer,
(06:30):
the more reps you see, the more the Yankees are
gonna win. So even if they didn't win tonight, they'd
win against they went with Cole in the Mountain Game six.
The thing that I was really thinking was like, Okay,
like if we win in game six, you know how tight?
Does that? Does that have implication for the World Series
as a tire at the bullpens? Screw up your rotation.
We'll talk about all that. But but they want They
won tonight, so it doesn't matter. Pat your your big
(06:52):
picture takeaways.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think you said it. I'm really it's great that
they were able to win this game. I was kind
of going in between because on one hand, if they
win this game, then Cole is gonna be sitting for
a bit. But on the other hand, I think it's
more important because the big thing is they get to
rest their bullpen and they use their top guys a lot.
Tim Hill pitched in every single game in this series.
Clay Holmes pitched in four of five, so as did
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Luke Weaver. Tommy Canley pitched a lot, Jake Cousins had
a lot some longer outings, and now Ian Hamilton is hurt.
So it's gonna make the Yankees were in a buye.
They had to go to Mark Lighter in multiple big situations,
a pitcher who was pretty awful for the Yankees ever
since that trade. So it's a good thing that they're
gonna be able to get the rest and they were
to get the job done. I think I gotta give
(07:34):
I will tip the cap to Cleveland for I ain't
know the series would be close, and they just made
almost every game really difficult. The New York games were
a little bit more comfortable, but man, once they got
to Cleveland, they made the Yankees earn it. And I
gotta give them credit. I think they kind of weren't
the bitch and the Yankees were two years ago when
they had to go to the five game series oddly
enough against Cleveland, I think, especially because they just don't
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have a rotation that could consistently give them innings all
that they just over extended their bullpen a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And it reminds me exactly when the Yankees went to
go face the Astros. Yeah, and they were just completely spent. Yeah,
they just I think that they fought again. They fought hard,
but like almost all their relievers had had moments.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Kate Smith the three run homer in the Stanton in
Game four Class A. Both of his first two appearance,
Hunter Gaddison gave up the homer Judge and obviously this one.
And I think that their margins were fairly tight. You
mentioned their defense and by and larger, do you think
Cleveland had a great defensive series. I mean that that
play by Jimenez in Game three going in the hole
on Chisholm, that was an incredible play and by Naylor
(08:38):
on the other end too. But whenever they made a mistake,
the Yankees were really able to take advantage, like the
Game one and the pop the game to the drop
pop up by Rochio that led to the judge by
again with judge up that led to the run, and
then and then ib was biby was shortened the game.
This game there was the air by Rochio again, Rochio
bobbling the ball in Game four by Verdugo, Like it
(09:00):
just felt like the Cleveland had to be like close
to perfect as possible, and they weren't. And I think
I got it. And I'll give to the Yankee side.
I think I've been critical of the Yankees this season.
It just kind of felt like a lot of points
this year that didn't feel like this team was going
to be able to get it done right. All the
mistakes and you could see in the first inning there
was the moment when Glabor was thrown out, the bad
(09:20):
send home in the first sinning, but they've been able
to just pick themselves ups at punch after punch after
punch Cleveland throughout them. The bullpen today is at a
rough couple games with today incredible. I mean, I mentioned Hill,
you could have honestly make a case for Tim Mill
for MVP in this series. And I don't think I'm
being hyperbolic when I'm saying that he pitched every single
game and he was excellent in almost all of them.
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Jake Cousins was phenomenal. That was nast After he struggled,
especially in Game four, he came right back out and
just they needed that. They really needed that with Holmes unavailable,
they needed that. And I thought Rodn looked I thought
Rodn looked mostly solid. I think it sucks that he
wasn't able to finish the fifth inning, but but I
thought he looked pretty good for the most part, and
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he's looked pitched real and considering that Cleveland it's better
against lefties by a lard, By and large, I thought
Rodn did a really, really good job in this series.
He probably was their best starter overall. And I think
that the Yankees when they needed to, they were able
to come up big in the big moments, and I
think it's obviously you're gonna look at Stanton one MVP
the home runs, and those were massive, all of them.
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Soto had the best at one of the best at
bats I've ever seen that bad against Gaddis in the
tenth inning. Way the way he was swinging, the way
he was fouling off pitches, he looked incredible, exactly what
you would want to see there. But I think there
were also little contributions here and there. Glaber Torres had
a great series at the plate. He every he got
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on base often to start off games and just got things,
got the ball rolling so many different times. Austin Well
has had a rough series overall. I don't think anyone's
going to say that. But other that bat in the
tenth inning, he was able to go to he was
down one two against Gaddis and then work a walk there.
That was so important to get a base runner there
in a period where Cleveland with Cleveland had had somewhat
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of an advantage, and it just was There's just a
lot of contributions. Mark I mentioned Lighter, who was really rough.
He got them out of a jam in the seventh inning,
yesterday and today again was able to get Lane Thomas
like just a lot of almost every every everything clicked
at different points. Not saying it was a perfect performance,
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it wasn't. But they got the job done and they
were able to come they like they've done a lot this. See,
the season hasn't even with all the talent, this hasn't
been the cleanness of watches. But then able to bounce
back and now they get a nice little bit of
some couple of days off to rest for the World Series. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I mean, I want to talk about some individual players
in a second, but just my my big picture thought
here is like having a good bullpen is over a
great bullpen is overrated because you can't rely on a
great bullpen for seven games. In a seven game series,
Cleveland had the best bullpen in the major leagues, undisputed.
Right just loaded with absolute destructive relievers Right Classe, Gaddis
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Smith are all better than anything the Yankees have. And
it didn't matter because one they saw them. The Yankees
saw them so many times they started to be able
to hit them. They got tired. It's late in the season.
You're already wearing down these relievers. You need starters. And
I think that the Yankees won this series in large
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part because they had better starting pitching. They'd have great
starting pitching, right but other than Roddan's first start, they
didn't really have a great start for anybody. But they
got guys deeper into the games. I mean, the Guardians
were pulling their starting pitchers in the second inning and
it just it just didn't work. And I think that
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that's the greatest strength of the Yankees right now. It's
weird to think that this is this is not a
great rotation, and yet they are leaps and bounds better
than the Dodgers, leaps and bounds better than the Guardians.
We can talk about the Mets. I I just to me,
if they're gonna win the World Series, it's it's going
to be largely on the backs of those guys. And
I think rot Don's Game one performance, like you don't
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give MVPs to pictures very often and maybe if you
had pitched another great start today, to me, that that
was that was a huge point in the series because
it allowed the Yankees to not burn all of their
bullpen right away and be able to be able to
kind of survive a little bit later in the series.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That was an ace performance for Odn incredible. He was
dominant for I thought he looked pretty good today. He did.
I thought he looked good too, And I.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Think they just they pulled him earlier, earlier than they
would have, just because they had they had the you know,
it was an elimination game. Let's talk about some minute
and go for Scout.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I was gonna follow about the bullpen. Totally agree on
bullpens both get overrated and over analyzed because you know
a couple of things going on. Because believers only throw
like sixty innings a year, it's easy to freak out
about someone being good or bad based on two good months.
Two good months are like twelve innings. So I feel
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like we learned that Clay Holmes is still basically a
really good reliever, and I think Mark Lighter is still good.
I think he just ran into the tiniest bit of
wildness and some bad home run luck in those two
months with the Yankees. I think that the difference between
the bullpens get overrated because some Yankee guys got underrated,
namely Holmes and Lighter and Cousins is back from the injury,
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but also and I wonder about this. I'm not sure.
I think the scouting kills some bullpen guys because I
read somewhere I've been reading and listening to so much
about the Yankees, I forget what's where. So apologies are
not giving someone credit. But that weavers change up has
been amazing, but as of Game two and three, they
were crushing it. So he stopped throwing it then, and
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that screams that in a short series that's the playoffs,
you can scout the heck out of the top three relievers.
And maybe they did that with Class A. They sure
did that with Weaver. And then suddenly the fact that
relievers dance on the head of a pin because you know,
as Trevor Hoffin said, if you were a pitcher with
three good pitches and control, you'd be a starter, not
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a reliever. So I think they're exploitable in a way
that a good starter isn't. But even their starter scouting,
like Cole started throwing more sinkers. I didn't know what
to make of that. It was weird. I think this
scouting that we don't see is an underrated part of
what's going on, and it's.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Why I think it was Houston's real secret weapon. Like
Houston always seemed to just have the Yankees figured out
and pitch them perfectly and just just own them. And
and I think that. I think that when you can
zero in on one objective, which is this series, every
you know, every ounce of the organization is pointed to
this series right now, I think that can really shine through.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
There's one more important believer observation a half, which is
that this just bugging me. I didn't see Tim Hill
pitch that much during the year because he, you know, whatever,
it was in their real year and not to go to.
But he looked familiar and I figured it out. I
texted you, EJ. If you're listening to this, google Max
Va side out older actor's been everything. Tim Hill, now
in his early thirties, looks exactly like Max Fun's side
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about ten years ago. It's eerie. They could be cousins
or long lost whatever. So you'll appreciate if you do it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, Jim Hill, I think it looks like he pitched
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I love it. A lefty side, I mean, like you
don't see that stuff anymore. I like, guys are different
in a.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
World were more.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We need more side armors in baseball, Like it's actually
one of those things that now batters probably don't see
them that often. And so if I'm if I'm a team,
I'm trying to find guys like Tim Hill because he
was I mean, the Yankees don't win the series with
that Tim Hill. He was so important, was a key moments.
I like your point that he like like if we
were if we were warning like like third place MVPs,
I think he might get one of those. Yeah, let's
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let's talk about some individual players. The MVP of the
series is John Carlos Stanton. The most insane a stat
or fun fact they read during the broadcast. He had
eight He was eight for forty against Cleveland in in
Cleveland in the playoffs. Because he's played Cleveland a billion
times and all eight hits were home runs. It's nuts, John,
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I mean, I patch John Carlos Stanton redeemed himself.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Ah, yes, he's done this. I mean, I don't know
if he's done this every time when he's been in
the playoffs. He's been one of the eighties best postseason
hitters ever since he got here, I mean twenty twenty.
You mentioned the Guardian series. But he was carrying them
in that series, like he just always comes up with
big moments, and this series in particular, I mean that
the game against the Royals, Game three, the tight game.
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He carried them this series. It felt like every homer
he hit was an important one, especially in Cleveland, the
go ahead one off Class A with runners on second
and third, one out, they could have walked him, they didn't,
and he hit the home run off off Smith. Then
Biby is rolling today, just gets the U one. After
that Judge double play, I thought it was over because
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Stanton looked horrible his first couple of bats and his
first two swings that bat weren't that good that he
stopped chasing, and then Biby made one mistake and that
was all it took. He was just he was lethal
in this series. They couldn't really miss with him. They
I think I saw something from Mike Petriello MLB debt
work that willbeh doc Lby analysts that basically saying that
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stan had been facing a lower diet of breaking pitches
this postseason, which is sort of odd, maybe helping a
little bit, but like in fairness, in this game, Bibey
was certainly not shying away from his secondary stuff. He
was getting from pretty awkward swings on those pitches and
it worked. So it was it was a really it
was I mean, what can you say. I mean, he's
he's he's been clutched for a lot of his Yankees career.
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I think when he's played, really and this postseason he's done.
He's been, he's been. He's given them the power that
they've needed.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
All Right, Well, let's each pick one player that we
haven't talked about yet to sing their praises. So Scott,
give me one player that we should talk about and
whose praises need need to be sung.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Whose praises need to be sung?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I ain't go with Mark Later, you know what I
feel like, what an incredible moment. Yeah, I saved the
Yankees game yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And even at that, he's like the guy who don't
get no respect. Because I get he got left off
the roster. I still like him better than Tim Mas
or whoever, or you know, Frankly Stroman. I would have
put him on because look, Mark Leiner, I remember when
he came to the Yankees. You and I EJ. Were like,
this is our best reliever now and I still think
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he might be way up there along with the circle
of trust. It's just that he ran into a tiny
bit of garbage luck and about twenty innings. I mean,
the idea that this is a guy who's been good
had to be a good year. Has been good for
a bit, but in twenty innings he gave up one
or two more home runs, there would be a good season.
I mean, that's three starts. You know, do we let
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go of a starting pitcher we trained forcus at three starts?
This is white relievers. Who knows if they're any good?
You know, they don't get enough innings to tell us.
But I think that he got left off the roster
came in. I like how we did past two days.
I felt bad that that goofy three stooges routine that
he and Rizzo did a first base. The announcers seemed
to be blaming Lighter for it. So I feel like
good for him. He got out the roster. It worked
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out well. I'm glad he didn't develop some sort of
complex and panic disorder based on this whole experience. And
I'm pulling for him.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All right, Pat give me a player.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, I'm you know, just I think I don't think
he said his name yet, but Anthony Rosso, uh.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
This is this is that discussion point. I think this
is out of nowhere. I mean, I don't know if
I would say he looks incredible at.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
The plate, but he got hits, and he got some
solid singles and some big moments. The double in Game
two and getting the sixth inning after Cleveland had been
coming back that led to a run. Another that was
another misplay in the outfield Cleveland. He started, he started
a couple of rallies. I started the I think he
started with him who was starting. He was part of
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the rep. I think he just was part of a
couple of different rallies in this series. Man, Like I
don't I did. This is something I did not expect
at all from him, you know, I thought I I
honestly just was like, if he just plays solid defense
and doesn't doesn't hinto all a ton of double plays,
I'll be okay. And he's been better as a hitter
of this series, which is kind of surprising.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Scott and I were texting before the series, being like,
what the hell are they doing? Yeah, I mean, again, in.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Fairness, if he's healthy enough to play and they're not
really willing to play ben Rice. I think it's fine.
He was fine keeping in the roster. But he's honestly
looking OK. The only thing he can't He hasn't hit
a homer yet since coming back in September, which you
would love to see.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But I mean, he hasn't really hit for power at all,
no hit, but he has hit like solid line.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
He's been productives. He has been productive, and I think
having that at the bottom of the order has really
helped a lot. Just it like sns the lineup so
much and I don't know how much more to expect
from it from Rizzo. I'd love him to be better defensively,
but honestly good. He's been really grinding it out and
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So Scott, were we wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Based on the series. I admire the you know, take
your admission out to his perfermance. Admire the gosh dar
and dad gum heck out of Anthony Rizzo. I mean,
the man's playing with eight figures on his hand and
he's playing baseball. I mean, how the vibrations don't cause
him to break down into searing pain? You know, after
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every piece of contact. The bad is amazing to me.
I mean, I really admire this guy. I think is
a mistake. I do not believe in his performance. I
think he's been atrocious in the field. This is going
to date me. I was at the Bill Buckner game
in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
On the first baseline. Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Really, I was actually pulling for the Red Sox because
I hated the nineteen eighty six Mets that much. You know,
so my least favorite teams, the Red Sox is a
Yankee fan, the mess. But Bill Buckner limped to first
base on a walk, and if I remember right the fifth,
sixth or seventh, and my dad and I looked at
each other. I was pretty young, and I was asking
him like is this guy okay? That was like, no,
he's not okay. And then he couldn't been down for
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a grand ball. And that's you know, the World Series.
Anthony Rizzio's giving me vibes of that when yeah, it
was a goofy played where Mark Letter tossed him a
ball and rizzle couldn't been down. But then there was
a grounded to his left that he sort of stabbed
at rather than jump bat. I think the man is
just not okay on some level.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
The reflexes aren't quite that reflexes aren't the same.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They had been pulling him late in games.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes, exactly. Tell John Birdie and Oswaldo Cabrera players with
less experience at first base, and Cabrera looked pretty good
first base defensively today. He made a good play to
get that double play.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The last thing about Rizzio will say is that you
know the contact it's giving me Alex Ridugo and April vibes.
I mean, when it's all about back control, and he
has isolated power of one hundred during the regular season
and last year and this playoffs. I don't think that's
sustainable against good pitching. So you know, he's not Stephen Qualm.
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So I feel like, let's go back to our priors
before he became and basically Kurage Hilding with a bloody
sock is like Anthony Rizzo won the World Series with
eight fingers, World set up four and that's cute.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So I think I got I disagree a little bit,
like I think if I need a single, there's a few.
They're not that many players in this on this team.
I prefer to have Anthony Rizzo up over like I
it just feels like he has like these are not
these are not been cheap, but they have not been
Alex for Dugo hits where he he's not like their
line drives and they are they're hit their hit hard enough.
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Right there, he's not gonna he can barely hit a double,
right he's not gonna. He's not hitting home runs. But
like there, there's something more real about this than just
like bat at balllock, I think, and to me that
like that, considering the alternatives, I think that I think
Rizzo is the best left handed hitter other than Soto
on this roster. Uh And so when you think about
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constructing a lineup, if you want to do a lefty righty,
you know, alternating lineup, I think he got a bat
him like cleanup.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'd still put Chism above him. I think I just
think is not a rough series. He's had a rough series.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
He's had a rough rough month and a half, like
a rough sea. He looks he's swinging at everything, and
he's so talented that sometimes that results in a single
like I did late in the game today, right that
was a big deal. And he's been you know he's
been he's fast on the bases and all that. I
just I think I think Rizzo is a better bet,
is better protection, and.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
The other considerations you spotted. I listened to the episode
you did Eja, it was you and I forget who
before the series. I mean, if there's someone better than Rizzo,
they're not a lot better at best. So I don't
think they're gonna lose by playing Rizzo. I just I'm
glad that Boone's willing to take him out for defensive placement.
Can I just ski related question, which is you mentioned
Chisholm's been bad for a month and a half. Austin
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Wills is he okay? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Injured? Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's I don't know
if it's the season. I hope he's not hurt because
I mean he's still able to do He was able
to hit that home run in Game four. And I
think his play, his plate discipline has been kind of
off this postseason. He's been swinging missing a lot, and
I don't I I think that that was just what
was big about this tenth inning at bat, because I
think because Gadd has tried to throw him the high fastball,
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a pitch that Wells has been swinging and missing out
a lot this postseason, and Wells was able to lay
off of it. So I don't I don't know. I
don't like. It's tough to assume it so effectively.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wild pointed out that every single catcher in the postseason
has been awful. Yeah, and I just think like they're.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Warn except bon Naylor was pretty good today.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh yeah, Boone, And yeah, right, bon Naylor had a
good series, but like Will Smith on the Dodgers has
been awful. Yeah, you know, was awful.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, Alvros had a good Game five, but the rest
of this postseason wasn't very good.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I like, I just think that I think he's
worn down. I think it looks great on defense, Like,
I think he looks better than he ever has on
defense right now.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The what supports the interpretation of he's guessed is that
he's not swinging and missing or striking out more even
in the last terrible month. It's just that the contact
is crappier, which supports the idea of just worn down.
It's not like his knee hurts and he flinches when
he swings like DJ or something you know. So yeah,
I mean that cuts in favor of I hope the
off days help, but they haven't yet. So the hope
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is that, I don't know, in the next week, you
hope that like Luke Weaver and Clayhomes and Austin Wells
can go to a spot together and get some sort
of like you know, reiki, acupuncture, massage and be renewed
for a week later.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean, I think those extra days of rest really matter.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They do. I know people talk about baseball it's the
rhythm sport, and I think that there's for Cole is
probably the one player I might agree with them because
he's so it's so important that he just gets in
a groove. But man, they just they've used their top
guys almost every single game, like Weaver. I think Game
four was the first game that Weaver didn't pitch this postseason,
and he still got up to warmed up in that game,
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like they've I get. I think I'll give credit to
Aaron Boone. I think he's mote for the most part,
managed well. He's pushed the right buttons so far, and
I think it makes sense to go to your top
guys when you need to because you can't. You don't
really want to save them, but yeah, they have to.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They also pitched everybody, right, like other than tim Beza
and Strumman, like every everybody got into these games.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Think he's only brought eight eight relievers in on like
the Dodgers, who brought ten. I think.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Their daughters had to go to both end games.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Also, Yeah, I mean the Doughters only had three starters.
Yeah the uh and and you know Cleveland brought ten relievers.
I think they basically had three starters. Yeah, one been
Lively I think was in theory a starter.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Grant Williams was a Grant Williams who pitched Game four.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I mean it's they they just didn't. Like the
Yankees are the only team that have a full set
of starters right now. The Mets kind of, I guess.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh, Gavin Williams. I think it was Gavin Williams.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Gavin Williams. And you know, the Yankees did really well
against Cleveland starters for the most part. They didn't always
break a ton of runs across, but they knocked him
out early in the games. Today was the one game
where bbe looked pretty good bye.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, he was great. He was cool. I thought after
the first inning, I really thought they messed up with
the first inning. But Stan was able to make it
a man that stand home. It's huge. And actually, I'm
sorry you J and I if you're going to bring
this player up. But there's one player I don't think
we have talked about. He's had a good post season,
Anthony Volte.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That was I was gonna be my pick, tell me
about Uh No, I'll let you go. Look, I think
that this is the best Anthony Vope he's ever looked.
I'm he he he's not hanging for any power. I
think he is one double this postseason. But he's getting
on base. He's still on a couple of bases, he's walking,
he's working the count. I saw some some data showing
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he's swinging a lot less than he ever has, but
when he does swing, he's swinging harder than he ever Yes,
I like to me that that's very telling, Like that
is a very careful approach on the part of all
b and I just think the fact that he's he's
deep in the lineup, he's not the center of anybody's attention.
He can he's had some rest. I think he I
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think he can just he can just chill, and he
looked great on defense. I think this is I think,
as you're number six or seven hitter, he's a massive
asset right now and I'd like to see a little
more power out of him. But for now, like, as
long as he keeps getting on base, I think he's
incredibly valuable. And I really kind of hope this is
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a preview of the future of Anthony Volpi. Like has
he figured out how to bat? Did he just need
some rest?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
What is like?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
What? What did did he find something? Because he went
up against a two very tough pitching staffs in the
Royals and Guardians and has a four to eighty five
on base entering tonight and they get two hits tonight, right,
So like just incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think the patience is the big
thing here because he's not really he's not chasing as much,
he's not swinging and missing as much, and he's being
more willing to take He's he didn't really walk that
much for most of the season. Being able to get
on base is so important.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, the other thing is he's twenty three, yeah, and
you know the Yeggies aren't really old, like they have
a lot of guys in their late twenties and mid
to late twenties. But I think that matters at this point.
Like I wonder if Judge's gassed, because he's thirty three,
and he's been playing center field and has been on
base more than any player other than Barry Bonds ever
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this season. And you know, he's still hit hit a
couple of big home runs, but other than those home runs,
you know, also grinding in about eight grinding into like
eight double plays, And I think that could be an
age that and Volpi is one of the youngest players
on the field for any of these teams, and maybe
that that's just an asset right now. Maybe he's he's
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holding up later into the postseason then the other guys.
All right, so we talked about a bunch of players.
It's late, We've gone thirty one minutes. I don't want
to talk too much more. Let me quickly ask you, Scott,
and then and then Pat, who do you want to
face in the World Series.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I was wondering about that, and the answer is, I
don't know. I'm tempted to say the Mets. I mean,
there are two answers to that question. What's fun and
what's the weaker opponent.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Let's let's let's go from the weaker opponent perspective.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I mean, you got to say the Mets are you.
I don't want to overthink it. But when the Dodgers
are down so many starters, and yes they were down
some of those starters a lot of the year, but
they had Tyler Glass and not a lot of the year.
When their fourth starter is bullpen day and walker ruler
has been bad since mid last year when he came back.
Yamamoto hasn't looked particularly good since he came back.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't believe it is clary thinker flarity threw stinker.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, absolutely, and then the dog. I was listening to
a bit of that on Dodgers Radio and they said, yeah,
Jack's got nothing tonight. And by the way, here's what's
going on when you rely on bullpen days your fourth starter.
There's this The announcers were literally saying, they were being
a little homer but blunt for the Dodgers. They were saying,
you know, Jack's just got to eate some innings because
you know, bullpende takes up a lot of relievers, so
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there's a cost to that. So I really think the
Dodgers are paper Tiger and the Mets just started that good.
So I'm feeling good about whoever it is. If I
had to pick which is weaker, I got to say.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
The Mets, though, Yeah to me, like, I'm with you,
Like that's the core dilemma here, right, The Mets are
the least talented team, But the Dodgers feel like they're wounded, right,
They're beat up on a pat Who would you rather
face the house?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's probably general answer. Yeah, I think I'll go the Dodgers,
just because I think they really messed up. They messed
up in Game five. They had the Mets right where
they wanted them, and then Flarerity you said it, Flarry
didn't have anything, and they let the Bets back in
the series. I think the Mets are in a really
good place with Sean and I on the mound for
Game six to win and force the Game seven. I
(33:20):
mean the same thing. The thing is, I mean the
Dodgers that that top of the order man to show, Hey,
o TODDI has been excellent in this series. Mookie Betts
has been excellent this series. The Askar Hernanez has come
up with the big hits keyk Hernandez has just turned
on a different mode since he's done it in the playoffs.
Andy Pa has just had a great game. The only
big player on Big Bopper, I mean Max Mounts, He's
been great, the only big other than Wilsmith, the other
(33:41):
Big Bopper. That's a question mark with Dodgers Breddie Freeman,
and he's also playing injured. But yeah, the pitching set,
I mean, their bullpen I think has done better than
I thought it would after the Padres went up two
games to one, I didn't know how much more to
expect from them Dodgers. I certainly didn't expect him to
go thirty innings coming up a run. At the same time,
(34:03):
they're gonna have to use a lot of like Cleveland,
they needed to go through those pitchers a lot just
to get to this point. So it's I think, i'd say,
by a hair the Dodgers the Mets. They're the Mets
bullpen I'm not concerned about. Frankly, their bullpen hasn't been
Their bullpen was their biggest weekid coming in October, and
their bullpen hasn't really been very good. But their starters
I think have been mostly hold up enough, they actually
(34:25):
have a They have at least four to five starters
they can get. They have five starters they can go to,
plus Tyler mcill I think Sean and I have been really,
really excellent. Joseck and Tan has been mostly good. Savarino's
postseason experience has really helped out. You have Dated Pete,
David Peterson, who can just get a ton of soft contact.
They and I'll point this out that the only the
Yankees only losses this postseason have come against left handed starters,
(34:48):
and all the left handed starters the Mets.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That to me, that's the big one right now. The
good news is the Mets have a righty bullpen.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah. And for the record, I don't think the Yankees
lost those games just because of the left handed starters.
They were only the offense just didn't really do much
period against the world's bullpen in that game, and the
Yankees were in position to win the boyd start until
we regal.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I mean, to me, the lefty righty thing is the
reason why I pick the Dodgers. Like the Dodgers have
a one left handed pitcher on their entire roster. Right
Anthony Banda not not a very particularly good pitcher, and
so like the the Yankees are the best offense in
baseball against righty's, you know, they they clearly have like
struggled to figure out their lineup against lefties, and the
Mets will throw a ton of lefties at you. So
(35:32):
I I let's do Let's have a slug fest. Let's
go o Tani versus Judge. Like to me that that
that could be a lot of fun. I also think
like there's like a weird like Oani might pitch in
the World Series kind of. I think he could, like
like he has been rehabbing, and Dave Roberts did not
rule it out.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But it's not a good idea, but it would be great.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean great, great content.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, alright.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Let's just have big team of destiny vibes right now.
I wouldn't want to deal with them.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
The thing is, I don't I think they've lost the
team team of destiny thing because the Dodgers have kind
of beat them in a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well, if they come back from that.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
That's true, you're right, but but I just yeah, I
I want to face the Dodgers. I think we're going
to face the Dodgers. Obviously I don't know. Right Well,
all right, you guys, thank you so much for joining me. Everybody,
thank you for listening. We'll be back probably on Thursday.
The next game, the game one will be on Friday,
so we'll probably be back on Thursday to preview the series.
(36:31):
But you know, keep a lookout on your feeds. Enjoy
it if you guys, If anyone here is young, like Patton,
doesn't really remember the World Series, the two thousand and
nine World Series, or the nineties World Series is or
you know, Scott the sixties, I am man, you know,
I enjoy it. This is this is fun, you know,
(36:52):
regardless of what happened in the World Series, the Yankees,
for the first time in fifteen years, are going to
play for a title. And I'm excited and and I
love this team and I love watching them, and you know,
whatever happens, it's gonna be fun. So we'll be here
on the podcast to cover it. I see you all
on Thursday. Have a nice week off, I guess, and
you know, someone go down to the Bahamas and see
(37:12):
the Yankees Yankee chilling out for.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
A few days.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Everybody, Thank you, so much for listening. This has been
your Bronx Speed podcast
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