Todd Bowles & Dave Hamilton: The Science Behind the Sport | Bucs Total Access

Team Reporter Casey Phillips sits down with the Buccaneers’ Head Coach Todd Bowles & Vice President of Performance Science following the Week 12 matchup against the Los Angeles Rams. They discuss the preparation involved in traveling for West Coast games, the importance of building trust within the team and the key factors that determine when a player is ready to return to the field.

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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome into the Todd Bowles show Casey Phil two. Head
Coach Todd Bowles. I know, not the outcome you guys
were hoping for, and definitely a tough one on a
long road trip all the way from the West coast.

Speaker 7 (00:56):
So big picture takeaways from you.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Now that you've had probably I don't know two hours
to sleep since the game happened, to think about it,
what are some of the things that stand out just.

Speaker 8 (01:06):
Shooting ourselves in the foot in the first half. Obviously,
the ball bouncing off a cage chest and then I'm
taking the four touchdown and the two plays the third
and seventeen in the first drive I think was critical
for us, as well as the touchdown at the end
where we had double coverage and we played.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
The wrong leverage.

Speaker 8 (01:22):
From that standpoint, those were the biggest things to get
go down twenty one nothing. It's hard to come back
to from a team like that that can already play
that's already good, and the execution I thought from a
passing game.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
For offensively, we got to do.

Speaker 8 (01:37):
A better job at that coaching and playing it. And
defensively again, we talk about the big plays for the
first half. They settled down in the second half, but
by that time it was too late.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I know that the win loss records not what you'd
want it to be in primetime in particular. Is there
anything that you guys feel like you've been able to
gather about why this team seems to struggle a little
bit more in those primetime games.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I don't think it's time. I just think it's mistakes.

Speaker 8 (02:01):
I really do think it's mistakes because we've played the
first two weeks of the season we were in primetime.
We won both of those games. So it's just the
mistakes that we got to clean up and that Asfords,
everybody else have to do their job better, coaches, players,
everyone around.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
And then we got to detail our work.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
What was your message to the team after the game
and just the things that you and other coaches are
doing to try to do your part of helping the
team figure out how to turn things around, and then
also what you're looking for your leaders to do in
that area.

Speaker 8 (02:31):
Well, it starts with the coaches. It starts with me,
you know. I make sure I look at myself after
every game. I'm very hard looking in the mirror and
take a look at what I can do better, what
I can put them in position better, and things they
can do better. And then I make sure the coaches
understand that as well. It starts with us first, how
can we make them guys better? What kind of positions
can we put them in? And then we'll bring it

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down to the players and make sure that they understand
what they got to do to be better, and make
sure they're crossing their eyes across on their teas.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
In their eyes does the schedule change any based on
it being that, again, that's such a late night flight
of not landing basically till six point thirty Monday morning.
Does that affect how you guys try to schedule this
week or how you try to help guys get the
rest and recovery.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
That they need.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
They get activation period today this afternoon, but too they
will be normal. We'll have our walkthrough on Wednesday because
they won't be fully recovered yet, and then Thanksgiving will
come out and we'll have a good practice.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Tell me about Baker's game prior to his injury and
the things that he was doing well, and also what
you would have hoped could have gone a little better.

Speaker 8 (03:32):
In the passing game, It was tough sledding initially. I
think we have to coach it and scheme it a
little better, and I think the players have to play
it and execute it a lot better as well. But
we were getting some short throws. The deep throws weren't
there at least people weren't open at the time, so
he had to hold the ball longer. That allows their
pass for us to get there. So we got to
do a better job all the way around with that.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
What do you see especially in some of the short
game passing screen game. What has worked or maybe not
gone as well as you guys.

Speaker 8 (04:00):
Hope the quick screen game, the quick passes have worked.
The screen game people starting to catch on to a
little bit. We got to alter something that way, probably
in the things we're doing it. But at the same time,
it's also plays as a running player for us, so
it helps us get to the edge a lot quicker,
and it opened up the run game a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I know, Baker, we've talked about the way that him
using his legs is a huge part of this team,
especially on third down. He's rushed sixteen times on third
down the season. Fourteen of those have gone for first downs,
including two of them in Sunday's game, and is the
highest first down rush percentage on third down among all quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
What does he do so well specifically on third down?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
And then depending on whether you have him or not
moving forward, how much that would change what you guys
need to do on third downs to not have that
option as much.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
Well, he can see the rush and he understands when
he can scramble. The big thing for him is learning
how to get down once he gets the first down.
He's thinks he zero Campbell built that way, but he's
not buil that way, and you know that's where some
of the injuries come up when he's trying to do
too much. You love the effort and you love the
kind of person he is and you don't want to

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change that. But at the same time, we got to
be a little bit smarter at going down. If he
doesn't play, and it doesn't it affects us in a
way where Teddy's a little differently.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Teddy can He's more.

Speaker 8 (05:20):
Of a pocket passer, but he can get out of
the pocket and run the ball if he has to.
And we'll tweak some things to make sure his game
is where it needs to be, and we'll go ahead
and we'll win with Teddy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I know that when you are choosing your backup quarterback,
you're hoping you never have to use them, that you're
always hoping Baker's available. But how much now that Teddy
has had to come in and already play some and
then is maybe going to have to play moving forward?
What are the things about Teddy that made you choose
him for this role and that give you confidence in
his abilities to step in and be.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
That guy just as an understanding of the game. You know,
we know he's very accurate, but he understands the game.
He understood the scheme, he knows where to go with
the football, and the guys have great confidence in him
when he's in there on offense. So he was a
perfect fit for us. And he was made for roles
like this and situations like this, so if he has
to play with very confident and.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of course it's different when you are game planning all
week as the starting guys compared to coming in mid
game when you weren't necessarily taking those first team reps
in practice that week before. So what did you think
of how he was able to come in when he
had not been preparing to be the starter that week
in practice?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
He was poised. I thought he was very poised.

Speaker 8 (06:29):
Again, I didn't think Baker had a lot of open
room to throw the ball, and if Teddy didn't either,
So with a full week of practice, I'm pretty sure
it'd be a lot better.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
What is the challenge in trying to make sure that
the chemistry is where you need it to be when
you do have a new quarterback stepping in and how
you try to do that on such a short term notice,
just this week going into Sunday.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
I think the chemistry with Teddy and the receivers have
been great since he's gotten here, so his experience and
understanding of the game, he's almost like a coach on
the field for those guys, so they gravitate towards him.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
It'll be very good to see him have a full
week if he has to play, and for him to
go out there and have some chemistry with those guys
right there, I think it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Tes got another touchdown, his fifth for the season, which
is second among all rookies this year, behind only a Mecca.
So tell me why Tes has become such an end
zone threat specifically in terms of that part of his game.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
They're doubling Mecca number one, number two. He's very fast
down the field and he's a very good route runner.
I think it's an underrated part of his ballgame. Very
quick and very fast, and he has outstanding hands for
his size, and he's very tough going in traffic.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
How did you feel about the third down offense in
particular outside of Baker's runs and even sometimes why he's
forced to run. What are the things that you feel
like on that down in particular, could go better.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
We got to do better on third and five or less.
You know, they're sitting on routes right there. We got
to execute a lot better and maybe not go to
the sticks as much.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
We got to go downfield a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Casey Phillips here with head coach Todd Bowle. I'm sure
it was nice for everyone to see Chris Godwin coming back.
Tell me how you thought he looked in his debut,
and then just some of the plans for how you
guys wanted to get him ramped up in that game
and moving.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
Forward for the limited time we used him. I thought
he played very fast, He looked very quick, he was
comfortable where he was. Try to ramp him up and
get him more reps this week coming up. But you know,
it was just great to have him back out there.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And we talked earlier about the fact that, you know, Mecca,
the way that they're facing him has been so different
since Mike and Chris went out. So how much do
you see Chris coming back being a help not just
for what Chris could produce, but how much you think
it could affect how you can use a Mecca.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
The more he comes back and establishes himself in this offense,
it'll open up things for a Mecca again and you'll
see both of them receiving benefit, benefiting greatly.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
How about the offensive line run game? I know it was,
you know, another hundred plus rushing yard on the day.
What did you see that the offensive line did well
in the run game?

Speaker 8 (08:56):
There are more some tough sledding runs that had two big,
tough edge rushers and some guys on the inside. I
thought we did a good job early on, just couldn't
sustain it with the passing game and tie it in together,
and so we had to throw a little more, and
we wanted to as the score got out of hand early.
But I thought the run game was effective in the
limited times that we used it.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Yeah, one hundred and twenty three yards.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's the eighth time the season that you guys have
passed one hundred yards rushing, which is tied for the
fourth most in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
This season.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Rashad averaged over five car yards per carry again just
like he did last week, and Talker had some really
nice runs as well, specifically from Rashad and Sean. What
have you seen last week in this week, that makes
you really optimistic, particularly in that yards per carry area.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Both very tough.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
They've both been hitting the hole real hard the past
couple of weeks. Obviously they can run through one or
two guys and make guys miss, and they didn't pass
protection as well, So we feel like we got two
guys that can go in there and get us tough
runs as well as make people miss.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
In terms of what didn't work as well as you
would like in the past game overall, how much would
you say it's from what the receivers are you doing
or not doing versus the time had to throw kind
of what are the different elements that are all working
together for that to not quite be what you guys
are hoping for.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
It's a little bit of everything. I mean as coaching included.
I mean, we got to have a better play call,
we got to execute the players when they're called, and
we got to understand what we're trying to do. So
we got to understand that part and we got to
tie it into the run game. So it's all inclusive.
It's everybody. It's just not one thing. Like I told
them in the locker room, this is a team game,

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and whether it's offense, defense, or special teams, we got
to play well in all three phases. So when you
talk about the passing game, you include the play call,
and you include the quarterback, You include the offensive line,
you include the receivers. So we have to do a
better job as a collective as a group going forward.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
So switching to the defensive side of things, Matthew Stafford,
we knew is having an incredible season so far, and
we definitely saw why, and especially early. You know, we
started twelve of twelve incredibly efficient. What were the biggest
challenges of trying to face him and what he was
able to do so well, particularly early in the game.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
That was really the big plays.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
The third and seventeen really hurt us that they continued
to drive alive and then Levonte hurt us, and down
in the red zone we had him doubled and we
just played the wrong leverage. So we got to clean
that part of it up. That part is what we
got to get better at. That's the thing. And a
lot of guys played well on defense. I thought they
didn't when I looked when I was at the game,
but looking at the film, if one guy's out of whack.

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Then the entire defense is at a whack and we
got to be better there.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh what did you see from your corners? I know
you were missing Jamel and that definitely is always going
to hurt when he's played so well this season. So
how did you feel like you were missing him? And
then how did the guys step up in his wake?

Speaker 8 (11:42):
I thought Bildor played a heck of a ball game.
I thought Paris really fought. I thought Zion gave up
some plays in the first half that really hurt him,
and he didn't get his footing under him until the
second half.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
By then it was too late. But we got to
have better play out of him in the first half.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
What are the things from Zion you've seen this year
that he's done well, and then the things that you're
also working on him with to see him do in
this latter half of the season.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
He's such a great athlete and he's a very good
cover guy, and that sometimes he gets bored, and we've
had these discussions being him. Sometimes he gets bored trying
to make a play and then he'll lack his technique
will be lacking, and he'll give up a play. So
he just thinks too much. He's just got to settle
down and play, and that's something that we're working through
and we have confidence in him and he'll be fine

(12:25):
because he's one of our best players. So he's got
a snap out of it, and then we got to
work and get better.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I know, you guys limited the Rams to seventy yards rushing,
which is the eighth time this season that you've allowed
less than one hundred yards, tied for the most such
games in the NFL this season. Clearly they knew stopping
the run was your strong suitent even with that kind
of a lead, at times, it seemed like they still
weren't really going to that as much as you would
expect a team to at that point. So have you
really noticed a shift in what offenses are trying to

(12:53):
do against you guys because of the respect they have
for your run defense.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Well, for them, it was normal. We knew they were
a play action team coming in.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
They were going to try to.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Boot and run it, and we stopped the runner early.
We figured their passing game and boot game was part
of their run game for them, jumping the ball off
and everything like that. So we understood that going in
it was just the critical plays. It was about three
critical plays you'd like to have back in the first.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Half, we saw Yah Yah get a sack. Tell me
what he did well on that play.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
He used his speed to power. He's a very powerful guy.
When he starts off the game like that and uses
speed to power, he's hard to stop. Obviously the quarterback
didn't get rid of it. He's been getting back there
getting pressures, but to get sacks in this league when
the ball comes out fairly quickly, he did a good job.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
What about the rest of his games?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, I know he played that one screen pass really
well and also got some pressure on their turnover of downs.
So what did you see outside of his one sack
that he did well.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
He did a very good job set in the edge
in the run game. Thought.

Speaker 8 (13:49):
I thought he played physical. I thought he played fast,
and I thought he played with a lot of energy.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
What is your the level he's out of what you
feel like he could be. What are the what would
be the next step or two that you would like
to see him take over the course of this season
to reach his peak potential?

Speaker 8 (14:04):
I think for me with him just understanding what his
strong suits are. You know, sometimes he tries to be
too much speed or all power. It's a combination of both.
Just tying it together consistently on a normal basis and
both separate. Believe me, is very good. I mean he's
very good at speed, he's very good at power. But
understanding how lieman are starting to play him and reading

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all of that and then putting his game together that way,
that's the next step we're trying to get too consistently.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I saw Avante tallied his one hundred and seventy six
career tackle for loss, which I ended up tying Aaron
Donald for the third most in league history, which I
ronic because they were honoring him in the game last night.
Tell me what he's still doing so well at this
point in his career, particularly when it comes to.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
The tackle for loss.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Really it his instinct and his motor.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
You know, his love for the game is probably no
different than when he came into the league. And that's
that's huge, and that's important for the young guys to see.
And he plays like that and he cares and he
sees things second nature. Now at the thirteenth year in
the league, he's seeing everything in second nature and he's
going after it and he can still make place.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I know Vida seems like he was getting double teamed
even more maybe than usual, and I mean's something that
happens to him pretty often anyway. Ay, how does he
handle that? I know that's got to be frustrating at
times when he's getting doubled so much. And then how
do you feel like people either are or are not
taking advantage of that happening to him?

Speaker 8 (15:34):
I think Vivas used to it. He understands he's getting
doubled because you can't sing no more. He's gonna make plays.
But he frees up Logan, he frees up Levonte, he
frees up Voss, and he helps other guys make plays.
So his value goes way beyond of the plays that
he's making right now. If there was one person I
would say we could not lose on defense, he would

(15:55):
probably be that person.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
How did you feel like the rest of the defensive
line and your defensive front overall played in this game.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
I thought they played the run well. They had some
good rushes where the ball was out quickly, and they
had some rushes we'd like to have back where they
max protected and doubled everybody. But from a game plan, standpoint,
stopping to run and playing the boot and everything like that.
They played a very good ball game. Pass rush was
hit or miss, and we can be better there.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
And then how about I know last week's game some
of the special teams units were struggling a little bit.
How did you feel like your special teams overall was
in the Sunday's.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Game played better? They played better. Obviously we kicked the
ball the end zone quite a bit. The punt team
covered pretty well, so they've played a lot better.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So looking forward to this game against the Cardinals three
and eight record, what is most deceptive about that with them?
That they could still come in and be a challenging matchup.

Speaker 8 (16:48):
They've been in every game. They've taken every game down
to the wire, whether they won or lost, they've taken
it down to the wire. So they compete and they
fly around and they make plays. If we're not careful
with the football, they can was a bunch of turnovers
and they get a lot of big plays.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
On the offense.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Facing Jacoby Brissett, this is a guy that, even though
he's a backup, has plenty of experience in this league.
What are the things that make him particularly challenging to
go against and how he's maybe affected what their offense
is at this point the season.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
He's one of the few backups that's really a starter
in this league. He has a very strong arm, very
accurate and those where to go with the football. Plays
very smart, and he makes very necessary yards with his
feet when he has to understand.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
In the ball game, and he's not afraid.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
He'll sit back there and he'll take a hit and
make the big throw at the same time.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So that makes him tough when.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
It comes to their run game.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I know de Mercado Heiengel sprain a week ago, and
we'll see if he's back or not. You know, Benson's
been on IR and then you do have Bam knightstill.
But what have you seen from what their run game
could be or might not be, depending on who all's available.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
I don't think it's the running backs more than it
is the offensive line. They use a lot of extra
tackles regardless of personnel groupings, and they got a lot
of big guys. They've in motioned one of the tackles
across like a tight end, and they try to big
body you and play big man football.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
So we got to make sure we're ready for that.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And then Marvin Harrison Junior. We know he's a talented guy.
What are the things you have to focus on with him?

Speaker 8 (18:15):
A great route runner, a lot like Mecca, great route runner,
outstanding hands, very good in the back shoulder fade, can
lull you to sleep at the top of the route
and then make great catches. So he's gonna be a handful.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And then their actual leading receiver both in yards and touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
Trey McBride.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
What makes him unique, Very athletic, one of the more
athletic tight ends in the league. You hear about everybody else,
the brock Bowers, and you know it's Kansas City's, the
Kelsey's and all those guys. But McBride is a heck
of a football player. He plays outside, he plays inside.
He can beat corners, he can beat safeties, he can
beat linebackers.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
He's a very good football player.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I know they've got safety Buddha Baker, tell me what
he's been doing well at this point. And then just
the rest of their secondary and some of the strengths there.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
Very aggressive, very tough hitter. He could separate you from
the ball, So we got to practice ball security gets
to the line of scrimmage and zero point two seconds.
Knows how to make plays, so we got to know
where he is at all times.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I know their leading sackers are Josh Sweat with nine
and Klayis Campbell with five. Campbell definitely someone familiar with
after a long career in this league. Tell me what
those two guys bring and what it's like to be
facing another team that has two different guys that can
bring such pressure.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
The Sweat is a great guy on the edge that
you got to watch out for us. It'll be a
good battle for our tackles there. And Kalaias seems like
he just never goes away. He was in Arizona when
I was there and now he's back there cleaning up,
and he just knows how to make plays and play football.
He's a great leader, he's a great person. He's a
very good football player.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, coach, thank you as always for your time. We
really appreciate it, and good luck this next Sunday.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Coming up next on Buccaneers Total Access is Vice President
of Performance Science Dave Hamilton.

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Speaker 1 (20:20):
Welcome back into Buccaneers Total Access, brought to you by
advent helth first half of the show, we had head
coach Todd Bowles. Now I am so excited to be
joined by Vice president of Performance Science Dave Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
Dave, thanks for being with us.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh is a pleasure. Thanks.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
I love this interview every year.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I feel like you're the one that I just learned
so much from, and I feel like you're also the
one that, like no one gets to hear from very often.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
So I very much appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And I thought it was a perfect time to talk
to you after, especially a West Coast late night game
that that I'm sure throws a big wrinkle into a
lot of the plans of what you guys try to do,
and so I just would love to hear kind of
some of the thought process of what goes into that
as compared to just a normal maybe one pm home game.
Of all of the things that you and your department

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try to do to help the team be as ready
as possible for that, whether it's the flight part, the
different game time part, that time change, there's just so
many elements to it.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean, it's always a challenge when you think
that we're on East Coast team going to the West
Coast and the time of that game. So we'll do
as good a job as we can to kind of
mitigate the challenges that are associated with that level of travel.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So we know we've.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
Got like a four hour plus flight, we know we're
going to arrive there, we have an extended day once
we arrive, and then of course our body clocks are
sat on the East Coast, so we get there. Players
typically going to feel like they want to wake up
at five four or five six in the morning on
West Coast time, and so that five o'clock five point

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thirty game for us is going to feel like it's
a much longer day. But at the same time, it
doesn't offer a great opportunity for napping, which we would
typically do on a night game eight thirty here in
the the East coast, So it brings about challenges, So
as best as we can, it's about helping the guys
be organized, feel like they've gotten a proper amount of
time to get what they want to get done. We'll
always do in the morning, we'll do some activation to

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help the guys kind of get that system, then nervous
system back in place to get ready for the evening game.
Then hopefully there's an opportunity to get a little bit
of a nap in and that day napping is great,
so it's going to help increase the hormone levels, it's
going to have some positive impact on reactivity and skill acquisition,

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So there's benefits to that nap. But the bigger challenge
for us is probably how do we get back to
the following week and how we've now got a prep
for a home game. So for us, that game would
have finished it on the West Coast eleven o'clock by
time we're on a plane, it's now one o'clock coming

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back another four our flight, so we're going to ride
back here, or we did a ride back here at
six am, and now we've got how do we deal
with that for the remainder of this week? So that's
probably the bigger challenge, not necessarily going there playing on
the West coast as opposed to coming back and making
sure it doesn't now bleed into the remainder of.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Our preparation coming into the week.

Speaker 9 (23:12):
So as a result of that, when the guys got
back on Monday, we recommended like a two to three
hour nap, assuming that they would have got some sleep,
although modified on the plane, and then we got them
back into the facility and they had some very bespoke
recovery modalities to do to get them up and about.

(23:32):
So they had some recovery modalities based on the demands
of the game for them that they would do yesterday,
and then for those guys who need it, we would
offer some additional sleep supplementations, very basic stuff, whether it
be magnesia and melatonin to support their sleep demands on
Monday night and now Tuesday night to get us ultimately
back on a normal schedule so we can start our
practice routine.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
H that's so interesting, and how specifically on the plane
you mentioned that of the challenges of either trying to
sleep or just the challenges of law flights like that,
What are some of the things that you guys do
to try to help them with the flight part of it,
both there and back.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
It's tough because they're big bodied guys trying to sit
in confined seating spaces. We know that when you sit
down the plane, you effectively occlusion, including your blood flow
at the hip because of the way that we sit.
So it's not great from a circuitry standpoint. So we
offer guys things like recovery devices like Firefly that will

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sit behind the knee stimulates parenteal nerve.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah. I remember the first time I saw one of
those guys, I was very confused about what was happening.
He was sitting in front of the plane and I
just saw his leg while I was twitching, and I was.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Like, is he okay? Should I learn someone? And I
realized it was on purpose.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So they're great.

Speaker 9 (24:41):
They kind of help kind of increase circulation master on
the plane. We have guys we'll have at the beginning
of the year, we have a company come in that
does medical graded compression, so they three D scan their
legs and we'll get compression socks or stockings made for
them that will then also support that blood flow and
recovery in general. So they have that for the flight,

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and then other than that, just making sure they're getting hydrated,
they're on top of all the nutrition before we get back,
and just trying to create an environment on the plane
where they constantly get some sleeps and make sure everything's
dark and as part of as good as you can
do at this stage.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
With what we have. It's a very short flight.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Like I say, when you're talking four hours coming back,
by the time you settle down, you're may be going
to get a couple of hours on that plane sleep
and you guys still have to eat as well, So
it's definitely a challenger.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, we're talking to vice president of Performance Science Dave Hamilton.
It sounds like also one of the things I always
think is interesting is how much you need buy in
for everything that you do, because it's like you can't
force guys to do all the things that you want
them to do. You can suggest it, but they ultimately
they have to be the ones to make the decision.
And so tell me a little bit about how you've
worked to try to get the buy in from whether

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it be the front office and coaches to also to
the players themselves to do what you need to do.
And how do you try to do that and what
have been the things that you've seen that have led
to them saying like, oh okay, yeah, I see the
difference here.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
I think a lot of it is it's a slow
process because you're trying to build trust with an individual
over time. So the big piece is understanding they have
so much There's only so much bandwidth you can get
with these guys. They have a lot of people trying
to pull them in different directions. So it's about having
a conversation and making sure it has bang for its buck.
It's about when you request something from a guy that

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you feedback on whatever you asked of them. That way,
they feel like whatever they give you there's meaningful value
to them, as opposed to constantly taking and then feel
like nothing comes back their way. So we do I
think we do a pretty good job of making sure
any date we collect, whether it be GPS, whether it
be false plates, whether it be wellness, that we feedback
to the end of the week in or reports, they

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can see how we're interpreting their data, how is it
kind of transpiring over a season, over three weeks, four weeks,
so they feel like they're getting that feedback, and then
a big piece for us on that trip is I
wonder a little bit of FaceTime with the players in
the team meeting. So coach was great and let me
get like just a couple of minutes get from the group,

(27:08):
show them a little slide that kind of explain what
are the challenges of this West Coast flight and what
are our plans for their return so they feel like
we all know where we're going with this week and
what the expectations are of people. But yeah, I think
the biggest piece I say is it's understanding there's a bandwidth.
It's about building trust and order to do that, they
have to feel like whatever they give you there's some

(27:29):
kind of retort, there's something of value coming back to them.
So we do I think we do a good job,
like I say, of trying to make them understand that
whatever we take we're using it for the betterment of them,
of the team, and in the way that we prepare
going into the next game.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
That data has got to be so interesting. Tell me
what are you?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I mean, First of all, I'm sure you have Infinity data,
So how do you decide what to put in that
report that you give to the guys at the end
of the week.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Is it the same across the board for the whole team?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Are you tailoring the data to different position groups or guys?

Speaker 7 (27:59):
Like, what is that that look like.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
When you actually present to them and what made you
make that decision to show them that data?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
A good question.

Speaker 9 (28:05):
So what we'll try and do with it is is
it's very simplified data because to your point, with the
GPS is over a thousand metrics just within that alone.
So we'll try and take the metrics that we think
are important or sexy for them, things that they care about,
things they're going to understand.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
So it's okay, how fast did they run, how fast did.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
They run, how much volume did they do?

Speaker 9 (28:28):
Will make sure that there's certain position groups that don't
run very far, so we'll make sure there's an acceleration
deceleration metric that may be more appropriate for them to
get their head around max velocity, whether you're a big, small, fast, slow,
everybody cares about that, so that's always in there. Their
wellness status, so they get to see how they're feeding
back with reguards to their soleep quality, muscle soreness, energy level.

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So they're getting some self reflection on that play count
is one. That's another good one to feedback to that
Howney plays they're getting in practice, honey players, they're getting
a game. These are things that they can obviously relate
to and they feel like there's meaningful information to it
for them.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
And I imagine, of course the competition factor is helpful
in that buy. And what have you seen about who
tends to be the most competitive with the data that
you have? Who wants to know what the numbers are?
What numbers do they care about? What do you end
up seeing on that?

Speaker 9 (29:18):
They all have egos, right, so they all want to know.
They just don't want to know, and it is bad.
We do at the end of every practice and every
game we'll report.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I explained this last time. We do the top.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
Five skills, big skills, bigs at the end of practice
for speed, we just post them on our wall. You
better believe guys are popping in. Yeah, they want to
see where they are.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
That is so funny.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
So yeah, I mean it's just a simple things that
by nature, these are competitive guys, So they're always going
to want to feel like they have an edge on
someone or have some data set they can throw in.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Somebody's face, and of course our fans always like hearing
who are some of the people that are at the
top of some of those stats in terms of whether
it's like overall speed or just the different things that
you measure that. Our fans are just like those guys.
They want to know who are some of the guys
at the top of that this year.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have your special teams. Guys
always get the opportunity in practice with the way that
those drills are and that often bleeds that into the game.
But typically for us, we're going to see the Zion
McCollums of this world, the Cam Johnson's, the Tess Johnson's,
the Mecca Bookahs, Josh Hayes, Sean Tuck is always a
surprise for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, the guys that's done up for that's interesting.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
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Speaker 7 (30:40):
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Speaker 1 (30:54):
Welcome back into Buccaneers Total Access, brought to you by
Advan Health. We are talking to Vice President of Performance
Science Dave Hamilton. So we were talking before the break
about a lot of the data and the ways that
you use that. I'd also love to hear explain to
people a little bit more about how much goes into
the overall physical side for the players, of how you
work with nutrition and rehab and strength training and like

(31:15):
the whole department that you guys have, the way that
you guys need to influence each other, and how your
data maybe can help some of those other departments.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
Yes, so I think bigger picture we look at it
is almost these three pillars. Three pillars where we have
one way we want to make sure that the athletes
are available to compete Step one and so that is
geared around player profiling, benchmarking, and understanding when they join us,
where do they sit regards to their peers, Where do

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they sit regards to potential imbalances, Where are the opportunities
to develop them make sure they don't get injured? That's
pillar one pillar two would be we've got to make
them the best athlete they can be in their position
group and for us, said the Buccaneers, So we look
at from a physical development stamp point, where are the
opportunities to improve certain attributes that make them successful at
their job. So we know for alignment there are different

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demands than that of a wide receiver, so we're making
sure within that prescription, we're targeting areas are going to make.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Them more successful at their role.

Speaker 9 (32:16):
And we look, like I said, normative values, So how
do they compare to the peers, how do they compare
to others in the league, and where are the opportunities
to make gains? And then the third one is ultimately
a little bit more of the sports science as people
would frame it, and that is making sure when they
compete and they're ready to play, that they play fresh,
because if you carry any fatigue into a game, the

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chance of you being successful obviously diminishes someone.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
So they're kind of the three pillars.

Speaker 9 (32:41):
And when you look at those three pillars, obviously when
you're looking at benchmarking and profiling athletes, that falls into
SEC and medical making sure we're all working together with
the type of diagnostic tests that we use that we're
working together to think about how can we improve these areas.
What would be the modalities that most effective when you

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look at the long term development of an athlete, that's
going to be predominantly more sent conditioning, a little bit
on the coaching side, and then we're talking about the
athlete management that is definitely a bigger broader picture of
tactical periodization for the team. How does a season influence
where we're at, but also how does a practice week
influence an individual with how they're tolerating with work. So

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we've got to do everything we can to educate personnel,
coaching staff, performance staff to make sure we're helping athletes
be in the best place they can be to perform.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, I was thinking specifically, like right now, a perfect
example is Chris Godwin, Bucky irving guys that as they're
starting to come back from missing a significant amount of time,
what would you say would be an example of how
you would make sure that when they come back the
load management is the term of course in the NBA
right now everybody uses but the best ways to bring
people back that have missed some time and how everyone

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works together on that decision, whether it's you, rehab coaches.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
All of that.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
Yeah, So that's kind of comes back to that first
pillar we have when they first came in. We understand
how much work is typical for Bucky or Chris in
regards to their practice load and their gameload. So we
understand what are we trying to get them ready for,
and we also understand their injuries and where the potentially
there's some deficits and improvements, and so we're looking to
number one, isolate the injury itself and make sure that

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that limb or that area is appropriately in range with
where it was prior to the injury. And then we're
looking at the game load and we're thinking, okay, if
we need to progress you back over ten days, seven days,
fourteen days, two weeks, whatever that is, what would that
progression look like. So it feels like there's a ramp
up period.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
One hundred correct.

Speaker 9 (34:38):
The last thing we want to avoider these cliffs of
change where you have to help muscle tissue become more
tolerant to load, and if you just go straight to
high load, that tissue will break down again or at
risk of re injury. So it has to be progressive
if it has to understand natural physiology, human biology of
what a tissue can adapt to in a certain period
of time. And as much as we want to get

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the quickly, there is adapt taste that needs to take place,
and so it's understanding that trying to be as aggressive
and as fast as we can to get them back.
But also we understand that when people return there's a
window where you are more fragile, the risk of injury
is higher, and so it's trying to mitigate that by
being as aggressive we can to return them in a

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safe manner.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
We're trying to Vice President of Performance Science, Dave Hamilton,
I think that it's so interesting. Also, you talked about
the difference in position groups and how you guys try
to figure things out for that. I actually just had
Martine Grammatica on my show yesterday and he talked about
when he was playing that it was he and the
O Line were doing the same workouts.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
He's like now obviously with different weights.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
But he's said they're doing the same same workouts, And
it was so interesting to hear that how much sports
science has changed over time in that sense of that's
just comical now to imagine that a kicker and O
line then would be.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Doing the exact same workouts.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
So what are the things that you think have both
changed the most in sports science over the years, and
then specifically for when it comes to how we look
at different players and position groups independently of each other.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
I would hope it hasn't changed a lot with regards
to that prescription. Right, you should always have always understand
that an athlete's demands are different, and therefore it makes
sense to train them differently as is appropriately for their
positional demands. I get that sometimes you're in maybe historically
you are resourced slightly different and therefore bang for your

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bucket is okay, I need to get people to do
some general training, and that's maybe that where that fell
in that scenario, just a resourcing steplet but from an
SSNC prescription, historically that has been the whole point. It
is like, what is a physical demand that makes you successful?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
How do I train it?

Speaker 9 (36:46):
Where I think sports science has come into it and evolved,
or where it's evolving too, it's just the level of
data that is now within our environment, whether it be
the wearables we have, whether it be looking at sleep,
whether it be hormonal data. There's a lot of information
that's now coming in and where sports science should be
there is to just remove the paralysis by analysis. Too

(37:09):
much data can get confusing. So really it's just a
filter to what is meaningful data. How do these data
sets relate to each other so that you're influencing performance
or recovery or.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
Where it goes wrong is exactly that it's not a filter,
and we just buy more technology and we get more information,
and now people are blinded to numbers. Coaches are confused,
practitioners are confused, athletes are confused. So sports science should
really just be the individual individuals, that system that's helping
interpret data and put it into more meaningful practical use

(37:45):
and not almost weaponizing it against people, which is the
fear that I think our interestry can go wrong, and
actually we make people more fragile because we're now fearful.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Of the data. We don't know what it means.

Speaker 9 (37:57):
And so it is a balancing direct compensation, right, it's
the science and art of it versus the data that
just becomes.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Almost confusing.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, And you've talked
about some of the ways you guys do get data
and the way you've decided to use it. I know
we've talked a fair amount about the GPS ones on
here before. What are some of the other ones that
you guys use, the other ways that you maybe do,
especially like you mentioned figuring out, okay, is this arm
that was hurt back to where it was before? The

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ways that you actually kind of test and measure guys
potential pre post injury things like that.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yes, we use different technologies. We basically have a lot of.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
Things where we're trying to it's called strength diagnostics. So
we're going to use tools that are going to be
like load cells, strain gauges, and they're gonna be able
to tell us information about how much force a limb
can impart, how fast can it impart that force, how
fast can a body part move. It's trying to be
able to identify what is the injury, where's the deficit again,

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and how do I appropriately train it?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And so it's a force play, it's a force frame.
We have NORD boards.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
It's all around us trying to gauge left versus right
functionality of the body and where is the imbalance right now?
With that particular injury. So there's some of the pieces
we have. We have other stuff that's more intrinsic, more internal,
whether looking at hormonal profiles, and now it's going to
tell us is a body in a state of adaptation,
is it in a state of recovery or stress. We're

(39:30):
trying to get indicators of how we are responding. And again,
you want to make the right decision to put them
in the best place come gain day or to be
able to tolerate the demands of practice. At the same time,
the technology they wear on their back now in the
GPS is sensitive to identify running gait. Do they run
more on the left leg versus their right leg? Is

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there a movement pattern that they're starting to do more
often that's leading to an imbalance on one side of
the body. Because over time, those balance is what creates
the high risk of injury. We want to do everything
we can to balance them out, address them.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Et cetera.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
All right, we're gonna take one more break.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
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Speaker 1 (40:25):
We're talking to Vice president of Performance Science, Dave Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Let's talk a little bit about temperature.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's always the thing I feel like Bucks fans are
most curious about, especially probably wondering if they can steal
any of what you do to help us all survive
the Florida and everything. So take us through a little
bit of how even you guys have learned to adapt
to the heat as best as possible even since your
time here, has anything changed about the view of that

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or what have you found to be the most successful
methods to help guys and how they feel about it.

Speaker 9 (40:57):
Your initial thought would go to, we our Tampa. It's hot,
it's humid in Tampa. It's very difficult with regards to
the heat to maximize training opportunity. And therefore you would
think when it comes to playing us in Tampa at
one o'clock, that is an advantage for us and it
would be a disadvantage for other teams. And that's that
would be the traditional thought process. But the NFL does
a very good job of when you come and play

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at one o'clock in Tampa, you have access to cooling benches, shades,
and so unless you're stood on the field for an
extended period of time, you do have opportunities to constantly
cool down. However, for us, with our training, we have
to go through camp and the early part of the
year in some pretty tough conditions trying to train and
get ready for the season. And what we know is

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that heat comes with a syntax, like for the output
that you create, there is a twenty percent additional physical
stress that you have to deal with when you recover
because you're not just recovering from the training, you're now
recovering from the heat exposure. But at the same time,
it's twenty percent more training. But also we see a
fifty to twenty percent drop in output because you can't

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sustain those traditional levels of training when you're hot. So
your body's doing as good a job it can to
cool and also you're trying to get these improvements and
X and o's and the speed in which we're praxicing at.
So then you've got that dilemma of how do we
use our indoor facility enough but not too much because
we do want to adapt to the heat. The general
thumb with heat and adaptation is you're basically looking to

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get fourteen exposures. Fourteen to sixteen exposures within a thirty
day window of forty minutes is enough to adapt to heat.
So we know with that in mind that we can
almost tick off. Are we getting what we need with exposures? So,
but the thing to be aware of is once I've
got that forty minutes, I don't get more improvement because

(42:46):
I'm out there for two hours. Forty minutes was the
window that created kind of the dose response within the body. Right,
It's not like doing more gets better, but unfortunately often
we do have to do more, and so that just
becomes additional stress. So it's trying to manage that so
as best we can. On the field, we're going to
have cooling benches ourselves. We don't want to use more

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the time. For the first forty minutes, we almost avoid trying.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
To use anything, use anything.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
We want the guys to have that heat exposure. After
that window, we'll start handing out the avas a hand,
cooling devices, the skull caps that are frozen, any kind
of neck we'll do sponges on the head they like
I said, the cooling benches. We have a cooling chamber
that guys can get in either during practice at the

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end of practice, So we create a lot of opportunities
after that forty minutes to try and mitigate as much
heat exposure as we can. That way, at least the
quality of practice is up and we don't start seeing
a decline in output on the field.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So interesting, we're talking a vice prisoner of Performing Science,
Dave Hamilton. I also know you guys do occasional sweat
tests as well, because not everyone sweats the same or
adapts to the heat the same way.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
So what are the sweat tests and what have they
told you?

Speaker 9 (44:00):
Yeah, it's just a way of looking at different levels
of salt within the system. So different guys are going
to sweat out different sodium potassium levels, and so as
a result of that, we want to make sure from
a hydration standpoint that we're replenishing the appropriate nutrients micronutriants,
so they can kind of replenish and hold their hydration
levels a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And you mentioned the indoor facility. What are the ways
that you guys deciding and like you said, what is enough,
not too much, not too little of using it and
even the temperature. Chosen to have the indoor it because
I think I'm always surprised when I walk in there
that it is not the ice box that I would
prefer it to be in training camp, that it is
actually a little bit warmer I think in there than

(44:39):
people would realize.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
Yeah, the indoor comes with challenges, so you've got to
think the turf is different. You've got grass versus turf,
and so as a result, for our guys who may
have chronic tenderopthy issues or other kind of injuries, when
you go from grass to turf, potentially becomes an opportunity
to flare up and create more inflammation because of how

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the muscle and tendon works. So when you're on grass,
there's good muscle tendon compliance where the muscle works with
the tendon is fairly efficient. When I get into turf
where it's softer, what you'll find is now the tendons
often work a little bit harder because they give in
the ground, and so tendinopathies will flare up. So we

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got to be careful with how often we're indoors versus
outdoors because of the surface. But yeah, the temperature inside,
we do like it cool, but obviously you don't want
too bigger contrasts now where you're gonna actually kind of
get a change in muscle temperature. Not that that's really
a concern, but we don't want it too cool, but
we want to be appropriate. They're going to feel that

(45:46):
contrast either way from what you're talking about wet bulbs
of like ninety one, ninety two, ninety three versus when
we're in there it's like seventy four and you always here.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
When let's say we're how I mean a team come
played down here in September early October that's from New
York or Philadelphia or Boston or whatever that people are like, oh,
how are they going to handle the heat for that day?
So how much in your mind or us going to
a cold place, how much does it affect you of
one day going to either a heat you're not used to,

(46:22):
a cold you're not used to. How much does that
affect you during that game? Or is it more about
a prolonged like how much of an advantage would we
have over a team not used to the heat, or
how much advantage would they have over us with the cold.

Speaker 9 (46:33):
I think, like I said, the NFL do a really
good job of providing either cooling or heating benches on
the sideline, so even when we're somewhere cold, we do
have the ability to keep the guys warm.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Where you'll get wrong is.

Speaker 9 (46:45):
Where potentially athletes think mental toughness and not wearing the
not using the cooling benches or the warm benches shows
how tough I am. Well, mentally you may be tough,
but physically there is a detriment to muscle temper.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
And therefore power output.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
And so just educating guys on I get the aesthetics
of how this looks for you, But from a performance perspective,
there are implications.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I think for us, when people.

Speaker 9 (47:11):
Come play us at one o'clock and there's an extended
drive on the field, there's a timeout that gets called.
Now you've stood in the blazing sun with no access
to a cooling bench. That's where you see the implications.
On the other team, that's where you'll see them start
to fatigue. But throughout the game you're going to see

(47:34):
more impact, and the fourth quarter you're going to see
more of an impact than the first quarter. If teams
come to us and they have an extended warm up,
that's going to bleed into how they perform, probably in
that first quarter as well, because it's the syntax where
you have your usual output and it's the additional drain
on the system that comes. It's just the heat exposure.
So it is an advantage. Could it be more of

(47:54):
an advantage?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (47:54):
Take away the cooling bench is for both teams, and
you'd see where Tampa would be significant more prepared for
that environment.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
But they do it, like I said, a nice.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Job of trying to even the playing field.

Speaker 9 (48:06):
Even the playing field supporters. And that goes for us
going to the cold.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Place as well. Right like Green Bay.

Speaker 9 (48:11):
Buffalo, if we didn't have those years heat is would
probably struggle because now we've got to find active ways
to stay warm on the sidelines. So now we've got
to be mobile, we've got to get out bikes, we'll
use viplates, we'll do whatever we can to kind of
keep guys warm.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
That's interesting, and so in your mind, now where do
you see sports science going that? If you and I
are sitting here in maybe five years, what would you
say is going to be the evolution? The growth the
change as it just feels like technology is always advancing
and changing so much, the data is always changing. What
would you say is where sports science will be?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I think it's a good question.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
It's the ongoing challenge is always that there's going to
be more technology coming our way. There's going to be
new companies producing something else that's going to offer another
data set around some performance metric.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
On the field. So it's having the right people in.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
Place to interpret and understand what's valid, what's reliable, and
how is it going to be effective for us. My
fear is always that we move away from the human element.
Professional sport successful environments are all about how well the
social interactions are, how well you can develop it tr
us how long are you how much you can create

(49:22):
like common goals and understanding of where you want to
be as a team. And it's that culture that drives success.
And if you allow data too much to bleed into that,
do you start to compromise those human relationships and ultimately
the understanding of how to get people to go along
a common cause?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (49:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (49:39):
So I feel like it's good that it's going to
be there, but it's also understanding that this is way
bigger than the numbers, and this is really a human game.
It's always going to be about social interaction. It's always
going to be about me wanting to work for you,
the brotherhood, the sisterhood of wanting to be successful as
a group. And that's very organic and so, like I said,

(49:59):
it's going to be the filter to all these external factors,
all the AI that's going to want to offer its
interpretation of data, but ultimately keeping it as a filter
to a supporting mechanism of what is the human element
of success.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I love it well, Dave, thank you so much as
always for coming. I always learn things and I always
enjoy talking to you. So thank you, and thank you
for all the work you do for the team.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
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