Welcome to the Builder of All Things Podcast—where we go beyond the pages of the book and explore into the Author’s Cut! 🔥 Join Richie Breaux and Ray Bisnar as they break down each chapter in micro-episodes, giving you the behind-the-scenes insights, deeper wisdom, and real-life applications—just like a Director’s Cut for a book.
In this full episode, “Wake Him Up,” we dive deep into the entire journey of facing, navigating, and emerging through storms—and understanding how to call on Jesus in every stage. Whether it's spiritual, relational, or business upheaval, this episode equips you to respond with faith, clarity, and purpose.
🔔 What You’ll Discover:
* How labeling adversity as Storm, Snake, or Smoke shifts your approach—and your outcome
* Why peace isn't found in calm seas, but in knowing the Builder of all things is in the boat
* The four-stage framework to discern where you are in a storm: 🌬 Wind → ⚡ Thunder → 🌩 Lightning → 🌧 Rain
* How childhood memories of Midwest tornadoes shaped a life of preparedness and intuitive leadership
* Practical wisdom: building SOPs, pivoting when needed, and waking Jesus out of faith, not fear
* The importance of emotionally responding—not reacting—when fear whispers worst-case scenarios
* Real-time application: navigating booming interest rates, delayed permits, inflation, and supply chain disruption
📖 “Storms aren’t punishments—they’re life happening.”This episode isn’t just a sermon. It’s a strategic, honest, and spiritually anchored conversation about survival, stewardship, and transformation in any storm you face.
💬 Your Turn:
👇 Drop a comment: How do you “wake Jesus up” in your storms—with faith, not fear?
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's getting really good at this point and so if you
want to kind of bring us intoabout the storm and what's
happening here, yeah, this isreally the meat of the book and
I say that to say the restchapter one, all the way
building up to chapter five,when we're in chapter six.
(00:52):
Here was basically theperspective shift.
Now we're jumping into if youhave the perspective shift and
understanding it and shiftingyour mind to understand what
we're talking about in the otherchapters, which is that builder
of all things is the owner.
We operate as stewards and whenyou capture that stewardship,
(01:14):
you start opening the door ofyour almost like what you, your
belief system, transfers fromyourself to a higher power,
right into god himself, and thatallows your heart, the soil of
your heart, to, uh, be moreacceptable to what god's trying
to do.
(01:34):
It's kind of like becomes yoursoils ready for the seed and
fruit for god to work in yourlife.
And so we wanted to reallyestablish when I say we just
just people, I've talked toexperiences I've had, me and my
wife when I was writing the book.
I wanted to really establishthat first book because people,
businesses, pastors, parents hasa lot of peas.
(01:56):
Um, we, we battle adversityevery day.
You can't ignore them.
And what I've, what I'veexperienced, I've done it, I see
(02:18):
people do it.
It's we want to categorize ouradversity and call it a storm.
Naturally, hey man, I'm goingthrough a storm.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, and I've heard that a lot, but listening,
especially in business, was ableto really pinpoint this.
And then also now payingattention to life is that,
depending on what kind ofadversity you're in, is based on
how you'll respond to it.
That's right.
So you can't respond to eachadversity the same, and so I
(02:49):
wanted to take and really lookat a storm.
You know through my experiencesI shared in the book just
growing up in the Midwest andthe type of storms we would get
man, we got those Wizard of Ozstorms.
You know like we get tornadoes.
I remember when I left to comehere to the islands that you
know there's like we gettornadoes.
I remember when I left to comehere to the islands that you
know there's this town calledWashington right outside, I mean
(03:10):
10 minutes from my city gotwiped out with one of the
greatest tornadoes in theMidwest in a very long time,
very historic.
Some of my friends homes wasall over the national news and
the storms there are just crazy,you know, and so but looking at
a storm man and I referencedthat to like the adversities I
(03:31):
went I go through in business,through life, through marriage,
through friendships there's allthese different challenges.
Like storms.
They come a lot of times whenyou don't expect them and
they're typically out of yourcontrol.
They're not something that'scaused by your decisions, by
people you don't have.
(03:52):
I mean, people are saying thatthe government's creating these
storms, sure, but in reality Godis allowing them.
It's how the earth operates.
They're going to come, they'regoing to go.
You got to be just naturallyready and prepared, and however
hits if it.
One of my favorite movies istwister.
You know the old twister.
The new one was pretty good too.
But just uh, you know they comein all different forms and your
(04:14):
job is to survive it.
That's right, that's all thereis to it.
But the battles and adversitieswe face in life, I don't think
it's wise to categorize italways as a storm.
So, in where we're going inthis book, the next three
chapters are vital oncategorizing and discerning what
(04:37):
adversity are we in?
So, I broke those out in threecategories, three pillars, which
I call the storm, snake and thesmoke, and so this chapter
specifically is thoseadversities that are out of your
control, like a storm.
So to set this you know podcastup, to set the chapter up and
this, this next three chapters,was being able to discern and
(05:02):
categorize it first.
So what's's good?
So, you know how to respond toit correctly, right, how to
respond to it practically, howto respond to it spiritually,
even spiritually, there's adifferent way to respond to,
however, the adversity is Right,and so just to set the stage
for this chapter, that's whatthis meat we're getting into is
(05:25):
like.
Okay, the any adversity you'refacing in life or business, this
applies, you know to look at itand say, okay, which category
is it?
Which?
Which one is it?
Are we talking about somethingthat's out of my control?
Or are you the snake which Ireference as the deceiver, the
liar?
I mean, we hear the word snake,and that's why I use it is
(05:47):
because we think of the enemy,the devil, the snake in the
Bible.
And so when you meet somebodywho's kind of like a deceiving
type, oh, he's snake-ish, youknow, he's kind of snake-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So normally it's a people, yeah, yeah, normally.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Normally it is a person who, when you discern
we'll talk about that in thenext podcast but you know when
somebody is after attacking yourcharacter or coming at you, you
know in a snakeish way, we'llcall it right now.
And then the last one is thesmoke is when you it's
(06:23):
self-inflicted adversity, whenyou really can look in the
mirror and say did I start thisfire?
Fire.
You know the kind of deal.
So, um, on the smoke, we'lltalk about that.
But, very important, I haveeven in the book I have this
kind of like interlude thatdescribes everything I just
shared to set the tone for thenext three chapters.
So when you're going into thestorm, I want you to embrace
categorizing it like of its ownadversity, so you understand how
(06:46):
to respond it, because youcannot respond, or I would
advise you to respond to thesnake like you would a storm I
wouldn't advise for you torespond to the smoke like you
would a storm in theseadversities.
So that's just to set the stageof the interlude, you know, and
interlude this podcast before westart talking about the storm,
(07:06):
of where we're headed.
This is the challenges of life,these are the tornadoes, these
are the, the big rain stormsthat are trying to take you out,
trying to make it so you knowthe things that are out of your
control so you would say thatthe storm is normally something
that's out of your control, outout of your hands, something you
can't really control.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I mean, you have no control over this thing.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, good example.
I'm in residential construction.
I own a residentialconstruction company.
We rely heavily on puttingtogether architectural plans,
submitting them to the city andcounty and getting permit
approvals.
Permit approval usually threeto six months, but when that
delay kicks out to like twoyears, and that's to me a storm
(07:54):
being created.
There's different levels of thestorms that we'll talk about,
but to me that's out of mycontrol.
There are certain things Icould try to help control that,
but there's just a point whereyou're like man, there's nothing
I can do to change thesituation.
And what's unique about thestorm is it's God allowed.
God allows storms.
(08:15):
That's the foundational part ofthe approach to a storm, is
understanding that if Godallowed it, that's a great
foundation to start Like it's inhis control and that's the hard
part.
As a human, we want to controleverything, but when it's out of
your control, whose control isit in?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
When you're talking about the differences with the
storm snake and smoke.
There was one particular quotein here, richie, that said
storms aren't punishments orproof we're off track, they're
just life happening.
And I think the two things here, or the one big thing here, is
that the recognizing what it isis so important because, again,
(08:56):
it gives you the guide on how torespond to something.
Yeah, can you kind of talkabout that?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, so don't get me wrong, god is definitely the
control, the storm.
Sometimes he'll use storms towipe you out and and not not to
take you out, but wipe meaning.
Maybe wipe is kind of a wordfor take out.
But what I believe god wants todo with a storm is shake your
foundation and what happens whenthere's a shaking.
(09:24):
I know this in construction ifyou have a solid foundation and
there's an earthquake, you'rehoping everything built on top
of that foundation stands.
So when God has storms, he'stypically trying to shake your
whole being to see what stands,because that's a good thing.
There's nothing wrong withthings.
I mean, it's challenging, it'shard, it sucks, but now you get
(09:48):
to see what didn't work, whatyou got to work to fix on what's
what fell off, why did it falloff?
So when businesses get shooken,you know and you look at what's
actually standing after thestorm passes is what you got to
reevaluate, to work on whatlanded.
If you don't have the rightfoundation, yeah, that's where a
wipeout can come and that'ssometimes where I don't think
(10:08):
God's going to.
I mean, god is God.
I can never limit him if hewants to punish out of a storm.
But I think our approach asbelievers is to know that he's
in control mostly.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Is there a recent storm that you can think of?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
maybe in the last, I don't know, few months, or
something, something recent thatyou can kind of paint a picture
for some listeners whether it'sa big storm or a small storm or
you know, I mean the permit isprobably one of the most current
alive storms, as a businessowner, that we're in and we're
tackling so we're in probably anF're tackling, so we're in a
(10:46):
probably an f5 tornado oh, thecategory.
That's a category, I think it'sef I think they changed that uh
categorization of storm, oftornadoes, now.
But uh, uh, we're in a bigtornado right now as we speak
and, um, how I'm operating is,uh, exactly how I'm supposed to
approach a tornado, you know, golook for shelter and survive.
(11:08):
So there's more spiritually onhow to handle that.
But but we were, there was keysand components that we'll talk
about.
That basically helped usunderstand what was coming and
what type of storm and beingready for it.
But yeah, I mean current livestorm right now is the island is
already challenging to getproducts here.
(11:30):
Inflation has rose incrediblypost covid, right With the, with
the, with land and market ofreal estate and interest rates,
inflation, lack of inventory Allthese things take a strong play
(11:53):
on our market.
And so what that means is weused to get a lot of calls every
gosh.
We would get calls every day,all day, and yeah, I'd have a
full-time person just answeringthe phone.
Man, it was just like like a,like it was awesome.
You know god was blessing.
But if interest rates arereally high, it's not a season
to go buy, you know it's uh,it's not a season to refinance.
(12:18):
So that just eliminates twodifferent markets for us, then
people aren't remodeling,they're not extending, they're
not doing these things.
And an inventory is really low.
So you know it's a littleisland.
It's kind of already all builtout.
So if you're not renovating orremodeling, you're not building,
and then that kind of lacks.
You know the reach for marketand then on top of that you have
(12:40):
a luxury market which westrategically placed ourselves
and with people who don'trefinance and have the funds and
just buy land, you're stilldealing with lack of inventory,
inflation on product.
Um, since COVID and you havethe department of permitting
basically taken two years to gettheir plans through and they're
(13:01):
having their own struggles inthe storm or maybe it's smoke,
but they're having their own.
We're having a storm because ofit, because you know just
everyone's just not renovating,remodeling or building because
of all these different factors.
So currently going through thatstorm.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So it seems like ATN has been through a bunch of
storms and, I'm assuming, alsosnakes and smokes, but
particularly with storms,there's going to be small Manini
ones and like big ones.
Right, how would you, or what'syour advice to people that are
going through the small ones?
And what's your advice topeople that are going through
the small ones and what's youradvice to people that are going
(13:39):
through like major, you know,foundation shaking type storms?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
yeah.
So from a practical level, Ibelieve that you gotta identify
number one.
If you categorize, you're in astorm.
Yeah, you know, by looking atall three categories I shared,
you say man, this is definitelya storm, it's out of my control,
there's nothing I can do.
You know, uh, there are fourindicators discernment
indicators and applicationindicators that I would uh
(14:07):
advise that we use, and it'sbased off my childhood
experience in storms, you know,growing up in the midwest you
know, I, I was like one of thosekids that loved I had those.
We had a basketball rim that youcan adjust.
I put it just to the level towhere I can dunk it who didn't,
you know?
And then I would get a littlebit smaller ball so I can palm
it, and then we used to havedunk contest and, yeah, it would
(14:29):
be super fun.
You know, I was probably, youknow, sixth grade and acting
like I'm sean kemp.
That's, that's my age, y'allyou know like you know.
So, um, but doing these we'd beoutside playing as a kid no
phones, you know, we didn't toomany game systems back then.
We're always outside and so wehad to be back home by the
(14:49):
street lights, you know.
So that's all normal.
And while we're playingsometimes we realize like, wait
a minute, it's getting kind oflike we can.
You can feel it like themoisture in the air changes.
It's sometimes a little littlewarmer, a little cooler, the
wind starts changing.
You just feel this.
You could feel it like astorm's coming, you know, you
(15:10):
just know.
Yeah, you just you've beenaround it.
It's just you have that like.
You just know the wind.
You look at the clouds, you cantell it's getting a little bit
dark.
They're kind of doing this wavyblow thing.
That's not normal.
And you're just like, okay,storm's coming.
But as kids you don't go runfor shelter and you don't care
how big it is, you're trying toget your last hour of playing.
(15:32):
So when you would hear thunder,it was official, official okay,
there's a storm well, no, westill wouldn't go home.
Oh, because we learned this rulelike when you hear thunder, you
see lightning, you do thislittle count one, one thousand,
two, one thousand, and then ifyou see the lightning, or if you
see the lightning and to do it,and you hear the thunder,
that's how far by mileagemileage.
(15:52):
So we wait till the last secondbecause we want to maximize our
time.
Right, go playing.
But um, you know, hearing thethunder and then seeing the
lightning, um, right before therain, we would, we would time it
pretty good, pretty like onpoint, yeah, I mean, sometimes
hell would fall on us.
That'd be crazy.
But um, so we go back insideand then in the midwest uh, I
(16:15):
was in the city so we didn't getlike the tornado tornadoes hit
us.
We'd hear about the tornadoesoutside city, so we didn't get
like the tornado tornadoes hitus.
We'd hear about the tornadoesoutside of us, but we would get
slammed with the thunderstormpart of it, right and it would
hit so hard.
You would hear like smalldebris come and slam into the
window, you would see trees fall, you would see electrical wires
(16:35):
fall, and it was just it justkind of a fun experience.
The next day, when the stormpassed, we would go outside as
kids grab our bikes.
There would be fire trucks.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It sounds super fun.
I'm imagining now it would justbe cool to just go on your
bikes with the boys.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Bro, we would get on our bikes.
There would be smashed carswith trees.
I mean, it was, we'd get on ourbikes, there would be smashed
cars with trees.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, it was like a war scene.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, it was like a war scene and it would happen,
you know, three or four times ayear.
It was like and we just want togo see all the damage.
Obviously, you know it was justthat childlike faith, not
thinking about it like an adult.
But yeah, just having thatchildlike faith, man, and not
looking at it like you know thedestruction or the panic or
(17:21):
worrying about your housegetting, you know, slammed or
whatever by by the wind and thedestruction, um, but then
looking at it as an adult too,now that I'm older, is like,
dang, you're hoping you're,you're kind of going to a little
more of a panic or a littleworry, like man, I hope my car
doesn't get, I don't gotta worryabout insurance, or I hope you
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know everyone's safe.
I'm so sorry about jim acrossthe street where his truck got
smashed.
Can't imagine what he's goingthrough.
You know there's the wholeadult side of looking at it too
and the responsibility of, liketrying to protect your assets
and people and everyone's safe.
So you know, when you're youngyou don't think about those
things.
But it really made me thinkabout, like, the balance of and
(18:04):
this is to answer your questionwhat would I share to the people
that different levels of stormsis.
I do believe that we want toaddress it with a balance, with
a heart or a like a childlikefaith, but also an adult
stewardship.
You know like there's an abalance of doing all you know,
you can do you know, but at thesame time have a faith aspect,
(18:26):
knowing that God's in control ofall things and just having that
faith, understanding like, hey,it will pass and in whatever
happens, god allowed and we'llhave to address it when the time
comes.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We didn't have the luxury to panic, and that's
regarding one of the stories inthe book.
I don't know if you want totouch upon that, but the main
thing is that that's crazy,because sometimes people can
choose to panic, but because ofyour alertness to the situation,
we didn't have time.
To panic just means you got tomove quick, right, and this is
(18:59):
one of the aspects of respondingto a storm.
But can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
So naturally you need to getyour physical body in a place of
peace.
And an absence of a storm, if Iwere to say anything, the
absence of a storm isn't whatcreates peace, it's Jesus's
presence, which I think thebuilder of all things presence.
(19:24):
So you're thinking, how's thateven practical?
Well, it's not the absence of astorm that creates peace, it's
the presence of the builder ofall things.
And so the storm a good examplein the Bible that's very
similar is there is discipleswith Jesus.
Jesus set the GPS, told them Iuse GPS, basically like the
coordinates, saying hey, we'regoing to go across this body of
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water, let's get in the boat, wegot somewhere to be.
And if God sets the coordinatesin your life, it gives you
vision for your business.
You're riding with builder ofall things and you have them on
your boat, meaning in yourbusiness, and you're operating
with understanding.
He's the owner and you're asteward.
That's why that part comesfirst.
You're stewarding and he's onthe boat with you.
If he's setting the coordinatesand you're on the stream which
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we've talked about, right, andyou're going down and there's a
storm, the way you react itshould be like the adult in
stewardship, but also like thekid in fate.
You see, jesus in this story was.
He was asleep, I think it'sMark 4, 28.
I think he was asleep on acushion, on a pillow, relaxed.
(20:30):
And so the adult side of theseguys on the boat was the panic.
Because there's a storm hittingman, there's waves hitting the
boat, skin shaking.
They're losing their sense offoundation.
Jesus is there on the stern,that's their foundation, but
they're getting shaken right nowto kind of see where their
faith is.
And so what do they do?
Is they wake him up, you know,and Jesus look and say ye, of
(20:52):
little faith.
And then he speaks, be still.
He speaks to the storm and itstops, and then they recognize
who he is.
Oh, he's the builder of allthings like even the winds and
the waves obey, and that's,that's the story, right?
So when I say the absence of thestorm doesn't create peace, it
wasn't the idea of the stormgoing away that creates peace,
because then there will alwaysbe another storm.
So you can't rest in just justgetting through the storm alone.
(21:15):
So it's's like if you'rehomeless and you can sit there
and worry about am I going toeat tonight?
And then you feel like peacedoesn't come just naturally,
just from getting food, becausethen tomorrow you might have to
go through the same struggle.
The peace comes knowing whereyou're getting the food from and
if it's consistent, like if youknow, like if you're getting oh
(21:36):
wait a minute, I have aconsistent source to get this
food, or maybe I got a job andnow I can have faith I'm
constantly going to get you knowbeing able to get these
resources to have a place tosleep and eat.
It's the same thing.
Where that's where the peacecomes is knowing that the
builder of all things was on theboat with you, he's in the
business with you, he's in thestorm with you, and when you
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have that, that, thatunderstanding and that kind of
fate, then then that producesthe peace that I'm talking about
fear will whisper worst-casescenarios and, as human beings,
that's tough, because I feellike that happens to a lot of
people, when, because we're justnot used to building that
muscle, that risk, how torespond?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
muscle, I guess, um, and same thing.
What happened with the, withthe guys on the boat?
That's the first thing thatprobably came up in their minds,
right like what is the worstcase scenario?
We're gonna, we're gonna drown,we're gonna fall.
Uh, this boat's gonna ship.
What's like?
How do you approach that?
And what's your?
I want to say tactic, butwhat's your?
How do you approach somethinglike that for people that aren't
(22:40):
?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
yeah, okay, trust the process.
So you still have to have faithin a storm.
There's no, there's no wayaround it.
You, you see the movies all thetime that are not spiritual.
There's, there's a godzilla'sflying a truck at you and the
guy's praying behind the truck.
Faith comes out in fear.
Man.
Like now I'm gonna say faithcomes out in fear, but I want to
say Godzilla is flying a truckat you and the guy is praying
behind the truck.
Faith comes out in fear.
Man.
Like not only say faith comesout in fear, but I want to say
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the God that you didn't thinkexisted comes out in fear.
You know you could be an atheist, but as soon as you're about to
die, you're going to cry out toGod.
You know what I mean and that'spretty pretty standard.
What we see as human beings islike when you're in those
circumstances.
So faith is always going totake, or your trust in something
is always going to take place.
But practically, man like I saythat to say that God, whether
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you believe in him or not, isparenting and teaching you and
carrying you along your pathyour whole life.
And when you have a storm thathe's allowing, you have to trust
the process as much as you can,because that's all you have
right.
Whatever you have is resources,whatever you've learned.
So you have to react and trustthe process.
If you react out of panic,you're not going to abide by the
process.
That's military right.
Military trains you to justtrust what you're trained to do
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and trust you'll get through it.
And I think it's any littlething that we're in in business.
Man, when you put a processtogether, you have to fully
fulfill it and trust it, andthen, if it doesn't work, you
come back like what did thestorm knock off?
You'll never know.
If you don't fully go throughwith the process, that's good.
And then in the midst of it, beokay to pivot, like if the
(24:15):
process is to run to the shelter, underground shelter, open the
doors and you're running andthen there's a flying roof panel
flying at you.
You're not going to let it hityou because I'm my.
My SOP says run to that, right,right.
So you got to be ready to pivottoo.
So a lot of times it's it's youknow you'll have to pivot and
(24:36):
just trust your instincts in themoment, man, and just it's
really just trusting the processin a full degree.
But there are ways I've putdiscernment, triggers that I've
learned to apply, that peoplecan apply, and I think it starts
with how to recognize a storm,where you're at in the storm,
and then how to respond to those.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That's good.
I like that we're here, becausein a portion of the chapter it
talks about you and Tiffany'skind of not revelation, but
something like you mentioned.
You have to go through theprocess in order to find out
what needs to be worked on orwhat muscles need to be built up
or what needs to be cut off.
There's one portion that it'ssuch a I think this is probably
(25:21):
the best one for myself whichwas the power of waking Jesus
out of faith and not fear.
And it says fear says do youcare?
Like you're waking up Jesus,like don't you care, like
there's a storm.
That's out of fear, right, butversus waking Jesus up and
(25:41):
saying, hey, jesus, you know weneed your help or whatnot and I
think that perspective change orthat line here is just helped
me shift you know your?
It kind of shows your what youneed to work on or what you
(26:02):
should continue to work on,which is waking him up out of
trust and knowing that he'sgoing to take care of it, or
you're panicking, you're wakinghim up, you know.
I thought that was so good.
Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I just I mean looking at the story I've heard
a lot of you know, of you knowpeople in the faith say you know
they failed by waking them up,like they should have just kind
of laid on the pillow with them,which, oh interesting you know,
and so like not waking them upand just having faith and riding
, riding out, but then that'slike taking the horn, you know,
by yourself, right.
And so I think waking him upwas key, like I think that,
(26:36):
think that's what he wanted.
You know, I think he wanted youto wake him up and not wake him
up out of fear, that's good youknow I wake him up out of fate
and you know in circumstancesI'm in and this is real
spiritual and relationship iswhere you know you get into a
storm and I'm going to trust theprocesses and do everything I
know to do with the boat.
You know, know the business tokeep it afloat, but I won't, I
(26:59):
won't shy away from, I'dimmediately get in my closet and
pray to wake him up you know,wake him up out of faith.
So my, the way I deliver myprayer is not out of fear, it's
out of fate.
I know you're, I know you'regoing to, you know, take care of
us in this storm.
I, I know you're going to dothis, but I want to show you
that I know that you know andthat's my relationship to him is
(27:21):
just actively, verbally prayingalready what I believe is going
to happen and praising him forit already before it does.
So it's a faith movement, right, waking up Jesus is, you know.
I want to say this, man, don'tthink about.
I mean, yeah, you want to tryto balance, or not even balance,
(27:41):
but you want to wake them outof faith, not fear, but at the
end of the day, just wake themup, man, you know what I mean.
Like, like, don't, don't, notwake him up, don't try to take
the helm and run the ship onyour own.
If I were to close withanything, man, I don't care if
you're screaming, cussing,you're in your garage, you're
out in an open field and youjust cannot handle the storm or
the weight you're in and it'sway out of your control.
(28:02):
Whatever it is, wake him up.
Wake him up, whether it's fear,pain, whatever it is, just
scream and just say Jesus, wakeup, I need you.
Builder of all things.
We say builder of all things.
We're saying he's the builderand creator and designer and
(28:23):
ultimate, like just operator ofeverything that we rest our feet
on daily, and gravity anduniverse.
If he is like holding all thesethings together, allowing the
earth to just just rotate soperfectly in the balance between
the sun and in, in how far weare?
I mean just thinking aboutantarctica and below, if you
(28:46):
look at like it's frozen on thetop and bottom of the axis, and
then it's at this perfecttemperature in hawaii, at like
70, 80, 90 degrees.
The pivotal point of thatpossibility is so pinpoint,
exact in the universe forsurvival that he's operating for
storms to constantly cleanseand repair and replenish the
(29:06):
earth, that when it's the samething in our lives that we have
to have storms to replenish, toredirect, to reroute, to rebuild
, and so when a storm comes,praise God and it sucks, but
wake them up, wake, wake him up.
That's what he's waiting on.
Wake him up.
(29:27):
When you wake him up, it will,he will calm it and then he'll
give you what you need torebuild for those guys on the
boat.
They needed to work on theirfate.
Right, yeah, they did.
He just told him what they needto work on.
You little fate, that's true.
That's what you need to work on.
That's what the storm was foryou know, that now I'm.
(29:47):
That's what you need to work on.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Wake them up wake them up can you talk about
preparation and positioning?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
yeah, um, you know, with my experience in you know,
peoria, midwest, growing upthere before I came to the
islands, and those things Ishared about recognizing the
wind and then hearing thethunder, and then you see the
lightning and then comes therain.
There's like an order there,right.
And so I felt like recognizingnumber one you're in a storm or
(30:19):
a storm's coming and thenrecognizing where you're at in
the storm, like are you at tierone, two, two, three or four
kind of deal, right.
So, um, what I've naturally,you know I've done this, but now
I'm just trying to like defineit is through.
There's two parts to the wind.
You know, the wind is first,like I'm saying, it's like you,
there's a feeling you feel whenyou don't see it, but you feel
(30:41):
it.
Yeah, you know, and there wasthe change and there's just
something you could feel.
And I really believe thatthere's two things that happen
is just, you've had enoughexperience in your business,
trade and life that there's anintuition that develops
naturally, right, and I wouldsay when the wind happens, like
when I was a kid, pay attention.
(31:01):
It doesn't mean run back in thehouse, you know, like we're
playing a game, but be aware,don't ignore it.
You know, and sometimes it'sactually God speaking to you too
.
It's not just you may have noexperience in that situation,
and God will give you that samefeeling, that same kind of
intuition.
That's what we call the HolySpirit, right, so he'll speak to
(31:22):
you that way as well.
But that's what we call theHoly Spirit, right, so he'll
speak to you that way as well.
But, yeah, that wind comes, Ithink.
Pay attention.
You know like I have thatexperience all the time with you
know, in a lot of situationswhere I can just feel like we
need to email the client, I justnothing else says why do it
right now?
Or like before the day ends?
(31:43):
But follow those leadings.
There's this little.
You can't explain it, you can'tpinpoint it, it's just pay
attention.
So that would be my first keyis recognize if you feel
something, there's a reason why,and it doesn't mean you have to
have the answer yet.
But go ahead and note it.
Pay attention and be awarethat's good, that's like number
one.
Don't just throw it off.
Attention and be aware, that'sgood, that's like number one.
(32:03):
Don't.
Don't just throw it off, likewhen the moisture changes the
wind and you kind of see theclouds doing a little something
different, then yeah, okay,we're watching you yeah, just
record it, yeah, yeah yeah, sothat would be my first indicator
and, um, typically, like whenthat kind of thing happens and
you don't really have anyprocesses in place, I would take
worst case scenarios, workbackwards and create SOPs for
(32:25):
risk limitations.
Right, risk awareness for whatyou would do?
Right, business gems.
Yeah, sorry, we're getting intobusiness gems, but I mean be
ready for every type of storm,right.
If it's a tornado, where are wegoing to go?
And if the tornado goes rightover our head, have a vision of
worst case scenarios and alreadyput tactics and SOPs.
Sop just really meansinstructions and a process to
(32:48):
get from A to Z.
That's all it means.
Right, it's just okay.
A is stand up, you know, andthat's a procedure.
Actually, what we really wantto do is get over there to that
shelter, open the doors and getin.
That's what we need to do, andin business, we like to type out
everything.
Man like you got to stand up,walk 10 feet and yeah, that's a
(33:08):
little too much information, but, but when you're building these
, it's very important to havethese so, even when the wind
kicks in and your intuitionkicks in, you could sometimes
determine what kind of stormcould be.
Yeah, you know, and then you'realready kind of okay if this
just kind of taking that mentalnote and that, okay, like if it
is the, you know, I feel likethe permitting is taking a
(33:31):
little bit longer than usual,you know.
And if that's the case, whatcould happen?
Oh, we people could stop doingwork if that happens.
Okay, I need to start doingpodcasts with, with people that
are connected to makingdecisions, with bills that have
to do with dpp.
That was an intuition thing.
I don't have to sit there withthe mayor and certain people,
(33:51):
but I made an intuition, I feelit coming and want to be a part
of the solution, not just tohang out on the prom.
I'm already doing some workbased on intuition, right, and
so that's what births thosethings.
You know it's like why, wouldyou know, am I doing?
Trying to, you know, createscenarios of surviving outside
of I'm pivoting now, okay, whatkind of projects where we don't
(34:13):
need permitting?
you know, and so you just got to, you just got to think, okay,
worst case scenario, eveneverything's all good, now
everything might not be all goodin the storm, right?
So indicator number two is whatI call the thunder.
You know, I was like once youhear that rumble, rumble, you're
like, oh man, it's kind ofofficial now, like there is a
(34:33):
storm.
Doesn't mean it's going to hityou, but there's definitely a
storm now.
Yeah, right.
So hearing it is like, is itaffecting you yet or is it just
noise?
That it's, it's out there butnot affecting you.
And so when you hear the thunder, it's like when I read, you
know, a magazine article aboutthe dpp is taking longer than
usual, I'm now hearing the noise.
(34:54):
Yeah, it's not just anintuition anymore.
Now I'm speaking to other.
You know, I'm out there withanother colleague and he's like
man, is your permit?
Taking a while, because it'slike taking us almost a year.
Now the architect starts, I seein emails and you know, and
just the noise is getting real,right, it's like, oh man, like
there is a storm out there it'sapproaching or it's it's out in
(35:17):
the outskirts of me.
You know it's.
It's not affecting me yet, butit's on the outskirts.
So when that starts happening,that's when you know.
We just start doing ourpreparation at tier two now.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Like a little more.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You know it's real.
Give the team heads up like hey, projects might not start.
You know it's okay to integratea little bit of that awareness.
There's a storm.
You know, just like storms do.
They put the little indicatorson the TV back in the day.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So there's is warning , or you know, or the floating
banner.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so same kind of thing of business
and how you approach certainthings.
But then when you see thelightning, it's it's
collectively, it's something youcould see now, and that's when
the lightning is when youactually start seeing it
affecting you.
Uh, so it's not in theoutskirts anymore.
Lightning is like, okay, it'shitting ground.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's not in the outskirtsanymore.
Lightning is like, okay, it'shitting ground.
(36:06):
You know what I mean.
It's no longer just in the sky,it's touching the earth.
And then it's approaching too.
Right, and for shelter, it'stime for protecting your
business, it's time to stopinvesting.
It's time to kind of like letthe team know, like, hey, this
(36:30):
is a storm.
It could still like pass us,but it's a real storm.
Now it's touching ground.
It could hit us dead on.
And then the last one is therain.
So if you could be a businessowner, family, marriage, could
be in the middle of this rightnow.
That's when you're in the storm, you know, and if you didn't
prepare for those indicators,that's, it is what it is.
(36:51):
And if you're in the stormright now, it's not too late,
like you still can wake up.
The builder of all things.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's not too late.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
mean.
So sometimes you it's good tohave these indicators and to
like pay attention and thenstart you know, prepping teams
to understand it could be, andwhen it is happening, just start
putting your processes in placeand get your shelter and ready
for the storm.
But when the rain comes andyou're in it, man, that's when
it's all fate.
You can imagine, like inTwister, when the storm was
(37:18):
hitting, it was just oncethey're at the shelter, man,
they're just holding each otherand hope they don't blow away.
The rain is when you're in it.
But when you're in it in it andthat's what those uh disciples
on the boat were, they were init in it, and so they they had
to make a choice on whether totry to control it from there or
to wake up the builder of allthings, to just kind of seize
(37:40):
the day.
And so, just going back on whatI said, man, that peace doesn't
come from the absence of thestorm.
It comes in the presence of thebuilder of all things is where
you get to really restpeacefully and understanding
that he is in control of thestorms that come.
He is the one that's in controlof allowing it to begin in the
first place.
So if he's in control ofallowing it to pass and to stop
(38:03):
it, like everything in themiddle, as much as it sucks,
it's going to shake yourfoundation and all the things
that need to fall off.
So you know what you got to fix, and if you not, if it shuts
you down, then praise God,because Paul in Acts 27 was on a
ship.
Let's call it a boat.
It's going off and that stormhit them.
(38:24):
That boat didn't survive, butnot one person was injured on
that ship.
Every single one, I shouldn'tsay injured.
I'm pretty sure they hadscratches and broken arms.
But they all survived.
Not one died for sure.
They all made it to land.
They had to swim, but they allmade it.
Every single one accounted for.
So sometimes even the boat willsink, but you weren't meant to
(38:45):
do a business at that time orthat type of business in that
time, and that's acceptable,right and so, either way, at the
end of the day, god, whenthere's a storm, he is shaking
you, trying to see what you needto work on, and sometimes it's
not to destroy or to to shake,sometimes it's just to reroute.
Yeah, you know, redirect Likesometimes the storm's right
(39:06):
there and you just can't goforward.
No more, right.
You know, like, oh, we got to gothis way then, yeah, let's
dodge the storm.
Sometimes it's just to pivotyou yeah, you know and get you
in a new direction.
Thank you.
It's getting really good at this point and so if you
want to kind of bring us intoabout the storm and what's
happening here, yeah, this isreally the meat of the book and
I say that to say the restchapter one, all the way
building up to chapter five,when we're in chapter six.
(00:52):
Here was basically theperspective shift.
Now we're jumping into if youhave the perspective shift and
understanding it and shiftingyour mind to understand what
we're talking about in the otherchapters, which is that builder
of all things is the owner.
We operate as stewards and whenyou capture that stewardship,
(01:14):
you start opening the door ofyour almost like what you, your
belief system, transfers fromyourself to a higher power,
right into god himself, and thatallows your heart, the soil of
your heart, to, uh, be moreacceptable to what god's trying
to do.
(01:34):
It's kind of like becomes yoursoils ready for the seed and
fruit for god to work in yourlife.
And so we wanted to reallyestablish when I say we just
just people, I've talked toexperiences I've had, me and my
wife when I was writing the book.
I wanted to really establishthat first book because people,
businesses, pastors, parents hasa lot of peas.
(01:56):
Um, we, we battle adversityevery day.
You can't ignore them.
And what I've, what I'veexperienced, I've done it, I see
(02:18):
people do it.
It's we want to categorize ouradversity and call it a storm.
Naturally, hey man, I'm goingthrough a storm.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, and I've heard that a lot, but listening,
especially in business, was ableto really pinpoint this.
And then also now payingattention to life is that,
depending on what kind ofadversity you're in, is based on
how you'll respond to it.
That's right.
So you can't respond to eachadversity the same, and so I
(02:49):
wanted to take and really lookat a storm.
You know through my experiencesI shared in the book just
growing up in the Midwest andthe type of storms we would get
man, we got those Wizard of Ozstorms.
You know like we get tornadoes.
I remember when I left to comehere to the islands that you
know there's like we gettornadoes.
I remember when I left to comehere to the islands that you
know there's this town calledWashington right outside, I mean
(03:10):
10 minutes from my city gotwiped out with one of the
greatest tornadoes in theMidwest in a very long time,
very historic.
Some of my friends homes wasall over the national news and
the storms there are just crazy,you know, and so but looking at
a storm man and I referencedthat to like the adversities I
(03:31):
went I go through in business,through life, through marriage,
through friendships there's allthese different challenges.
Like storms.
They come a lot of times whenyou don't expect them and
they're typically out of yourcontrol.
They're not something that'scaused by your decisions, by
people you don't have.
(03:52):
I mean, people are saying thatthe government's creating these
storms, sure, but in reality Godis allowing them.
It's how the earth operates.
They're going to come, they'regoing to go.
You got to be just naturallyready and prepared, and however
hits if it.
One of my favorite movies istwister.
You know the old twister.
The new one was pretty good too.
But just uh, you know they comein all different forms and your
(04:14):
job is to survive it.
That's right, that's all thereis to it.
But the battles and adversitieswe face in life, I don't think
it's wise to categorize italways as a storm.
So, in where we're going inthis book, the next three
chapters are vital oncategorizing and discerning what
(04:37):
adversity are we in?
So, I broke those out in threecategories, three pillars, which
I call the storm, snake and thesmoke, and so this chapter
specifically is thoseadversities that are out of your
control, like a storm.
So to set this you know podcastup, to set the chapter up and
this, this next three chapters,was being able to discern and
(05:02):
categorize it first.
So what's's good?
So, you know how to respond toit correctly, right, how to
respond to it practically, howto respond to it spiritually,
even spiritually, there's adifferent way to respond to,
however, the adversity is Right,and so just to set the stage
for this chapter, that's whatthis meat we're getting into is
(05:25):
like.
Okay, the any adversity you'refacing in life or business, this
applies, you know to look at itand say, okay, which category
is it?
Which?
Which one is it?
Are we talking about somethingthat's out of my control?
Or are you the snake which Ireference as the deceiver, the
liar?
I mean, we hear the word snake,and that's why I use it is
(05:47):
because we think of the enemy,the devil, the snake in the
Bible.
And so when you meet somebodywho's kind of like a deceiving
type, oh, he's snake-ish, youknow, he's kind of snake-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So normally it's a people, yeah, yeah, normally.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Normally it is a person who, when you discern
we'll talk about that in thenext podcast but you know when
somebody is after attacking yourcharacter or coming at you, you
know in a snakeish way, we'llcall it right now.
And then the last one is thesmoke is when you it's
(06:23):
self-inflicted adversity, whenyou really can look in the
mirror and say did I start thisfire?
Fire.
You know the kind of deal.
So, um, on the smoke, we'lltalk about that.
But, very important, I haveeven in the book I have this
kind of like interlude thatdescribes everything I just
shared to set the tone for thenext three chapters.
So when you're going into thestorm, I want you to embrace
categorizing it like of its ownadversity, so you understand how
(06:46):
to respond it, because youcannot respond, or I would
advise you to respond to thesnake like you would a storm I
wouldn't advise for you torespond to the smoke like you
would a storm in theseadversities.
So that's just to set the stageof the interlude, you know, and
interlude this podcast before westart talking about the storm,
(07:06):
of where we're headed.
This is the challenges of life,these are the tornadoes, these
are the, the big rain stormsthat are trying to take you out,
trying to make it so you knowthe things that are out of your
control so you would say thatthe storm is normally something
that's out of your control, outout of your hands, something you
can't really control.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I mean, you have no control over this thing.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, good example.
I'm in residential construction.
I own a residentialconstruction company.
We rely heavily on puttingtogether architectural plans,
submitting them to the city andcounty and getting permit
approvals.
Permit approval usually threeto six months, but when that
delay kicks out to like twoyears, and that's to me a storm
(07:54):
being created.
There's different levels of thestorms that we'll talk about,
but to me that's out of mycontrol.
There are certain things Icould try to help control that,
but there's just a point whereyou're like man, there's nothing
I can do to change thesituation.
And what's unique about thestorm is it's God allowed.
God allows storms.
(08:15):
That's the foundational part ofthe approach to a storm, is
understanding that if Godallowed it, that's a great
foundation to start Like it's inhis control and that's the hard
part.
As a human, we want to controleverything, but when it's out of
your control, whose control isit in?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
When you're talking about the differences with the
storm snake and smoke.
There was one particular quotein here, richie, that said
storms aren't punishments orproof we're off track, they're
just life happening.
And I think the two things here, or the one big thing here, is
that the recognizing what it isis so important because, again,
(08:56):
it gives you the guide on how torespond to something.
Yeah, can you kind of talkabout that?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, so don't get me wrong, god is definitely the
control, the storm.
Sometimes he'll use storms towipe you out and and not not to
take you out, but wipe meaning.
Maybe wipe is kind of a wordfor take out.
But what I believe god wants todo with a storm is shake your
foundation and what happens whenthere's a shaking.
(09:24):
I know this in construction ifyou have a solid foundation and
there's an earthquake, you'rehoping everything built on top
of that foundation stands.
So when God has storms, he'stypically trying to shake your
whole being to see what stands,because that's a good thing.
There's nothing wrong withthings.
I mean, it's challenging, it'shard, it sucks, but now you get
(09:48):
to see what didn't work, whatyou got to work to fix on what's
what fell off, why did it falloff?
So when businesses get shooken,you know and you look at what's
actually standing after thestorm passes is what you got to
reevaluate, to work on whatlanded.
If you don't have the rightfoundation, yeah, that's where a
wipeout can come and that'ssometimes where I don't think
(10:08):
God's going to.
I mean, god is God.
I can never limit him if hewants to punish out of a storm.
But I think our approach asbelievers is to know that he's
in control mostly.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Is there a recent storm that you can think of?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
maybe in the last, I don't know, few months, or
something, something recent thatyou can kind of paint a picture
for some listeners whether it'sa big storm or a small storm or
you know, I mean the permit isprobably one of the most current
alive storms, as a businessowner, that we're in and we're
tackling so we're in probably anF're tackling, so we're in a
(10:46):
probably an f5 tornado oh, thecategory.
That's a category, I think it'sef I think they changed that uh
categorization of storm, oftornadoes, now.
But uh, uh, we're in a bigtornado right now as we speak
and, um, how I'm operating is,uh, exactly how I'm supposed to
approach a tornado, you know, golook for shelter and survive.
(11:08):
So there's more spiritually onhow to handle that.
But but we were, there was keysand components that we'll talk
about.
That basically helped usunderstand what was coming and
what type of storm and beingready for it.
But yeah, I mean current livestorm right now is the island is
already challenging to getproducts here.
(11:30):
Inflation has rose incrediblypost covid, right With the, with
the, with land and market ofreal estate and interest rates,
inflation, lack of inventory Allthese things take a strong play
(11:53):
on our market.
And so what that means is weused to get a lot of calls every
gosh.
We would get calls every day,all day, and yeah, I'd have a
full-time person just answeringthe phone.
Man, it was just like like a,like it was awesome.
You know god was blessing.
But if interest rates arereally high, it's not a season
to go buy, you know it's uh,it's not a season to refinance.
(12:18):
So that just eliminates twodifferent markets for us, then
people aren't remodeling,they're not extending, they're
not doing these things.
And an inventory is really low.
So you know it's a littleisland.
It's kind of already all builtout.
So if you're not renovating orremodeling, you're not building,
and then that kind of lacks.
You know the reach for marketand then on top of that you have
(12:40):
a luxury market which westrategically placed ourselves
and with people who don'trefinance and have the funds and
just buy land, you're stilldealing with lack of inventory,
inflation on product.
Um, since COVID and you havethe department of permitting
basically taken two years to gettheir plans through and they're
(13:01):
having their own struggles inthe storm or maybe it's smoke,
but they're having their own.
We're having a storm because ofit, because you know just
everyone's just not renovating,remodeling or building because
of all these different factors.
So currently going through thatstorm.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So it seems like ATN has been through a bunch of
storms and, I'm assuming, alsosnakes and smokes, but
particularly with storms,there's going to be small Manini
ones and like big ones.
Right, how would you, or what'syour advice to people that are
going through the small ones?
And what's your advice topeople that are going through
the small ones and what's youradvice to people that are going
(13:39):
through like major, you know,foundation shaking type storms?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
yeah.
So from a practical level, Ibelieve that you gotta identify
number one.
If you categorize, you're in astorm.
Yeah, you know, by looking atall three categories I shared,
you say man, this is definitelya storm, it's out of my control,
there's nothing I can do.
You know, uh, there are fourindicators discernment
indicators and applicationindicators that I would uh
(14:07):
advise that we use, and it'sbased off my childhood
experience in storms, you know,growing up in the midwest you
know, I, I was like one of thosekids that loved I had those.
We had a basketball rim that youcan adjust.
I put it just to the level towhere I can dunk it who didn't,
you know?
And then I would get a littlebit smaller ball so I can palm
it, and then we used to havedunk contest and, yeah, it would
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be super fun.
You know, I was probably, youknow, sixth grade and acting
like I'm sean kemp.
That's, that's my age, y'allyou know like you know.
So, um, but doing these we'd beoutside playing as a kid no
phones, you know, we didn't toomany game systems back then.
We're always outside and so wehad to be back home by the
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street lights, you know.
So that's all normal.
And while we're playingsometimes we realize like, wait
a minute, it's getting kind oflike we can.
You can feel it like themoisture in the air changes.
It's sometimes a little littlewarmer, a little cooler, the
wind starts changing.
You just feel this.
You could feel it like astorm's coming, you know, you
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just know.
Yeah, you just you've beenaround it.
It's just you have that like.
You just know the wind.
You look at the clouds, you cantell it's getting a little bit
dark.
They're kind of doing this wavyblow thing.
That's not normal.
And you're just like, okay,storm's coming.
But as kids you don't go runfor shelter and you don't care
how big it is, you're trying toget your last hour of playing.
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So when you would hear thunder,it was official, official okay,
there's a storm well, no, westill wouldn't go home.
Oh, because we learned this rulelike when you hear thunder, you
see lightning, you do thislittle count one, one thousand,
two, one thousand, and then ifyou see the lightning, or if you
see the lightning and to do it,and you hear the thunder,
that's how far by mileagemileage.
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So we wait till the last secondbecause we want to maximize our
time.
Right, go playing.
But um, you know, hearing thethunder and then seeing the
lightning, um, right before therain, we would, we would time it
pretty good, pretty like onpoint, yeah, I mean, sometimes
hell would fall on us.
That'd be crazy.
But um, so we go back insideand then in the midwest uh, I
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was in the city so we didn't getlike the tornado tornadoes hit
us.
We'd hear about the tornadoesoutside city, so we didn't get
like the tornado tornadoes hitus.
We'd hear about the tornadoesoutside of us, but we would get
slammed with the thunderstormpart of it, right and it would
hit so hard.
You would hear like smalldebris come and slam into the
window, you would see trees fall, you would see electrical wires
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fall, and it was just it justkind of a fun experience.
The next day, when the stormpassed, we would go outside as
kids grab our bikes.
There would be fire trucks.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It sounds super fun.
I'm imagining now it would justbe cool to just go on your
bikes with the boys.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Bro, we would get on our bikes.
There would be smashed carswith trees.
I mean, it was, we'd get on ourbikes, there would be smashed
cars with trees.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, it was like a war scene.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, it was like a war scene and it would happen,
you know, three or four times ayear.
It was like and we just want togo see all the damage.
Obviously, you know it was justthat childlike faith, not
thinking about it like an adult.
But yeah, just having thatchildlike faith, man, and not
looking at it like you know thedestruction or the panic or
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worrying about your housegetting, you know, slammed or
whatever by by the wind and thedestruction, um, but then
looking at it as an adult too,now that I'm older, is like,
dang, you're hoping you're,you're kind of going to a little
more of a panic or a littleworry, like man, I hope my car
doesn't get, I don't gotta worryabout insurance, or I hope you
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know everyone's safe.
I'm so sorry about jim acrossthe street where his truck got
smashed.
Can't imagine what he's goingthrough.
You know there's the wholeadult side of looking at it too
and the responsibility of, liketrying to protect your assets
and people and everyone's safe.
So you know, when you're youngyou don't think about those
things.
But it really made me thinkabout, like, the balance of and
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this is to answer your questionwhat would I share to the people
that different levels of stormsis.
I do believe that we want toaddress it with a balance, with
a heart or a like a childlikefaith, but also an adult
stewardship.
You know like there's an abalance of doing all you know,
you can do you know, but at thesame time have a faith aspect,
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knowing that God's in control ofall things and just having that
faith, understanding like, hey,it will pass and in whatever
happens, god allowed and we'llhave to address it when the time
comes.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We didn't have the luxury to panic, and that's
regarding one of the stories inthe book.
I don't know if you want totouch upon that, but the main
thing is that that's crazy,because sometimes people can
choose to panic, but because ofyour alertness to the situation,
we didn't have time.
To panic just means you got tomove quick, right, and this is
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one of the aspects of respondingto a storm.
But can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
So naturally you need to getyour physical body in a place of
peace.
And an absence of a storm, if Iwere to say anything, the
absence of a storm isn't whatcreates peace, it's Jesus's
presence, which I think thebuilder of all things presence.
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So you're thinking, how's thateven practical?
Well, it's not the absence of astorm that creates peace, it's
the presence of the builder ofall things.
And so the storm a good examplein the Bible that's very
similar is there is discipleswith Jesus.
Jesus set the GPS, told them Iuse GPS, basically like the
coordinates, saying hey, we'regoing to go across this body of
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water, let's get in the boat, wegot somewhere to be.
And if God sets the coordinatesin your life, it gives you
vision for your business.
You're riding with builder ofall things and you have them on
your boat, meaning in yourbusiness, and you're operating
with understanding.
He's the owner and you're asteward.
That's why that part comesfirst.
You're stewarding and he's onthe boat with you.
If he's setting the coordinatesand you're on the stream which
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we've talked about, right, andyou're going down and there's a
storm, the way you react itshould be like the adult in
stewardship, but also like thekid in fate.
You see, jesus in this story was.
He was asleep, I think it'sMark 4, 28.
I think he was asleep on acushion, on a pillow, relaxed.
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And so the adult side of theseguys on the boat was the panic.
Because there's a storm hittingman, there's waves hitting the
boat, skin shaking.
They're losing their sense offoundation.
Jesus is there on the stern,that's their foundation, but
they're getting shaken right nowto kind of see where their
faith is.
And so what do they do?
Is they wake him up, you know,and Jesus look and say ye, of
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little faith.
And then he speaks, be still.
He speaks to the storm and itstops, and then they recognize
who he is.
Oh, he's the builder of allthings like even the winds and
the waves obey, and that's,that's the story, right?
So when I say the absence of thestorm doesn't create peace, it
wasn't the idea of the stormgoing away that creates peace,
because then there will alwaysbe another storm.
So you can't rest in just justgetting through the storm alone.
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So it's's like if you'rehomeless and you can sit there
and worry about am I going toeat tonight?
And then you feel like peacedoesn't come just naturally,
just from getting food, becausethen tomorrow you might have to
go through the same struggle.
The peace comes knowing whereyou're getting the food from and
if it's consistent, like if youknow, like if you're getting oh
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wait a minute, I have aconsistent source to get this
food, or maybe I got a job andnow I can have faith I'm
constantly going to get you knowbeing able to get these
resources to have a place tosleep and eat.
It's the same thing.
Where that's where the peacecomes is knowing that the
builder of all things was on theboat with you, he's in the
business with you, he's in thestorm with you, and when you
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have that, that, thatunderstanding and that kind of
fate, then then that producesthe peace that I'm talking about
fear will whisper worst-casescenarios and, as human beings,
that's tough, because I feellike that happens to a lot of
people, when, because we're justnot used to building that
muscle, that risk, how torespond?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
muscle, I guess, um, and same thing.
What happened with the, withthe guys on the boat?
That's the first thing thatprobably came up in their minds,
right like what is the worstcase scenario?
We're gonna, we're gonna drown,we're gonna fall.
Uh, this boat's gonna ship.
What's like?
How do you approach that?
And what's your?
I want to say tactic, butwhat's your?
How do you approach somethinglike that for people that aren't
(22:40):
?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
yeah, okay, trust the process.
So you still have to have faithin a storm.
There's no, there's no wayaround it.
You, you see the movies all thetime that are not spiritual.
There's, there's a godzilla'sflying a truck at you and the
guy's praying behind the truck.
Faith comes out in fear.
Man.
Like now I'm gonna say faithcomes out in fear, but I want to
say Godzilla is flying a truckat you and the guy is praying
behind the truck.
Faith comes out in fear.
Man.
Like not only say faith comesout in fear, but I want to say
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the God that you didn't thinkexisted comes out in fear.
You know you could be an atheist, but as soon as you're about to
die, you're going to cry out toGod.
You know what I mean and that'spretty pretty standard.
What we see as human beings islike when you're in those
circumstances.
So faith is always going totake, or your trust in something
is always going to take place.
But practically, man like I saythat to say that God, whether
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you believe in him or not, isparenting and teaching you and
carrying you along your pathyour whole life.
And when you have a storm thathe's allowing, you have to trust
the process as much as you can,because that's all you have
right.
Whatever you have is resources,whatever you've learned.
So you have to react and trustthe process.
If you react out of panic,you're not going to abide by the
process.
That's military right.
Military trains you to justtrust what you're trained to do
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and trust you'll get through it.
And I think it's any littlething that we're in in business.
Man, when you put a processtogether, you have to fully
fulfill it and trust it, andthen, if it doesn't work, you
come back like what did thestorm knock off?
You'll never know.
If you don't fully go throughwith the process, that's good.
And then in the midst of it, beokay to pivot, like if the
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process is to run to the shelter, underground shelter, open the
doors and you're running andthen there's a flying roof panel
flying at you.
You're not going to let it hityou because I'm my.
My SOP says run to that, right,right.
So you got to be ready to pivottoo.
So a lot of times it's it's youknow you'll have to pivot and
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just trust your instincts in themoment, man, and just it's
really just trusting the processin a full degree.
But there are ways I've putdiscernment, triggers that I've
learned to apply, that peoplecan apply, and I think it starts
with how to recognize a storm,where you're at in the storm,
and then how to respond to those.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That's good.
I like that we're here, becausein a portion of the chapter it
talks about you and Tiffany'skind of not revelation, but
something like you mentioned.
You have to go through theprocess in order to find out
what needs to be worked on orwhat muscles need to be built up
or what needs to be cut off.
There's one portion that it'ssuch a I think this is probably
(25:21):
the best one for myself whichwas the power of waking Jesus
out of faith and not fear.
And it says fear says do youcare?
Like you're waking up Jesus,like don't you care, like
there's a storm.
That's out of fear, right, butversus waking Jesus up and
(25:41):
saying, hey, jesus, you know weneed your help or whatnot and I
think that perspective change orthat line here is just helped
me shift you know your?
It kind of shows your what youneed to work on or what you
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should continue to work on,which is waking him up out of
trust and knowing that he'sgoing to take care of it, or
you're panicking, you're wakinghim up, you know.
I thought that was so good.
Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I just I mean looking at the story I've heard
a lot of you know, of you knowpeople in the faith say you know
they failed by waking them up,like they should have just kind
of laid on the pillow with them,which, oh interesting you know,
and so like not waking them upand just having faith and riding
, riding out, but then that'slike taking the horn, you know,
by yourself, right.
And so I think waking him upwas key, like I think that,
(26:36):
think that's what he wanted.
You know, I think he wanted youto wake him up and not wake him
up out of fear, that's good youknow I wake him up out of fate
and you know in circumstancesI'm in and this is real
spiritual and relationship iswhere you know you get into a
storm and I'm going to trust theprocesses and do everything I
know to do with the boat.
You know, know the business tokeep it afloat, but I won't, I
(26:59):
won't shy away from, I'dimmediately get in my closet and
pray to wake him up you know,wake him up out of faith.
So my, the way I deliver myprayer is not out of fear, it's
out of fate.
I know you're, I know you'regoing to, you know, take care of
us in this storm.
I, I know you're going to dothis, but I want to show you
that I know that you know andthat's my relationship to him is
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just actively, verbally prayingalready what I believe is going
to happen and praising him forit already before it does.
So it's a faith movement, right, waking up Jesus is, you know.
I want to say this, man, don'tthink about.
I mean, yeah, you want to tryto balance, or not even balance,
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but you want to wake them outof faith, not fear, but at the
end of the day, just wake themup, man, you know what I mean.
Like, like, don't, don't, notwake him up, don't try to take
the helm and run the ship onyour own.
If I were to close withanything, man, I don't care if
you're screaming, cussing,you're in your garage, you're
out in an open field and youjust cannot handle the storm or
the weight you're in and it'sway out of your control.
(28:02):
Whatever it is, wake him up.
Wake him up, whether it's fear,pain, whatever it is, just
scream and just say Jesus, wakeup, I need you.
Builder of all things.
We say builder of all things.
We're saying he's the builderand creator and designer and
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ultimate, like just operator ofeverything that we rest our feet
on daily, and gravity anduniverse.
If he is like holding all thesethings together, allowing the
earth to just just rotate soperfectly in the balance between
the sun and in, in how far weare?
I mean just thinking aboutantarctica and below, if you
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look at like it's frozen on thetop and bottom of the axis, and
then it's at this perfecttemperature in hawaii, at like
70, 80, 90 degrees.
The pivotal point of thatpossibility is so pinpoint,
exact in the universe forsurvival that he's operating for
storms to constantly cleanseand repair and replenish the
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earth, that when it's the samething in our lives that we have
to have storms to replenish, toredirect, to reroute, to rebuild
, and so when a storm comes,praise God and it sucks, but
wake them up, wake, wake him up.
That's what he's waiting on.
Wake him up.
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When you wake him up, it will,he will calm it and then he'll
give you what you need torebuild for those guys on the
boat.
They needed to work on theirfate.
Right, yeah, they did.
He just told him what they needto work on.
You little fate, that's true.
That's what you need to work on.
That's what the storm was foryou know, that now I'm.
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That's what you need to work on.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Wake them up wake them up can you talk about
preparation and positioning?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
yeah, um, you know, with my experience in you know,
peoria, midwest, growing upthere before I came to the
islands, and those things Ishared about recognizing the
wind and then hearing thethunder, and then you see the
lightning and then comes therain.
There's like an order there,right.
And so I felt like recognizingnumber one you're in a storm or
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a storm's coming and thenrecognizing where you're at in
the storm, like are you at tierone, two, two, three or four
kind of deal, right.
So, um, what I've naturally,you know I've done this, but now
I'm just trying to like defineit is through.
There's two parts to the wind.
You know, the wind is first,like I'm saying, it's like you,
there's a feeling you feel whenyou don't see it, but you feel
(30:41):
it.
Yeah, you know, and there wasthe change and there's just
something you could feel.
And I really believe thatthere's two things that happen
is just, you've had enoughexperience in your business,
trade and life that there's anintuition that develops
naturally, right, and I wouldsay when the wind happens, like
when I was a kid, pay attention.
(31:01):
It doesn't mean run back in thehouse, you know, like we're
playing a game, but be aware,don't ignore it.
You know, and sometimes it'sactually God speaking to you too
.
It's not just you may have noexperience in that situation,
and God will give you that samefeeling, that same kind of
intuition.
That's what we call the HolySpirit, right, so he'll speak to
(31:22):
you that way as well.
But that's what we call theHoly Spirit, right, so he'll
speak to you that way as well.
But, yeah, that wind comes, Ithink.
Pay attention.
You know like I have thatexperience all the time with you
know, in a lot of situationswhere I can just feel like we
need to email the client, I justnothing else says why do it
right now?
Or like before the day ends?
(31:43):
But follow those leadings.
There's this little.
You can't explain it, you can'tpinpoint it, it's just pay
attention.
So that would be my first keyis recognize if you feel
something, there's a reason why,and it doesn't mean you have to
have the answer yet.
But go ahead and note it.
Pay attention and be awarethat's good, that's like number
one.
Don't just throw it off.
Attention and be aware, that'sgood, that's like number one.
(32:03):
Don't.
Don't just throw it off, likewhen the moisture changes the
wind and you kind of see theclouds doing a little something
different, then yeah, okay,we're watching you yeah, just
record it, yeah, yeah yeah, sothat would be my first indicator
and, um, typically, like whenthat kind of thing happens and
you don't really have anyprocesses in place, I would take
worst case scenarios, workbackwards and create SOPs for
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risk limitations.
Right, risk awareness for whatyou would do?
Right, business gems.
Yeah, sorry, we're getting intobusiness gems, but I mean be
ready for every type of storm,right.
If it's a tornado, where are wegoing to go?
And if the tornado goes rightover our head, have a vision of
worst case scenarios and alreadyput tactics and SOPs.
Sop just really meansinstructions and a process to
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get from A to Z.
That's all it means.
Right, it's just okay.
A is stand up, you know, andthat's a procedure.
Actually, what we really wantto do is get over there to that
shelter, open the doors and getin.
That's what we need to do, andin business, we like to type out
everything.
Man like you got to stand up,walk 10 feet and yeah, that's a
(33:08):
little too much information, but, but when you're building these
, it's very important to havethese so, even when the wind
kicks in and your intuitionkicks in, you could sometimes
determine what kind of stormcould be.
Yeah, you know, and then you'realready kind of okay if this
just kind of taking that mentalnote and that, okay, like if it
is the, you know, I feel likethe permitting is taking a
(33:31):
little bit longer than usual,you know.
And if that's the case, whatcould happen?
Oh, we people could stop doingwork if that happens.
Okay, I need to start doingpodcasts with, with people that
are connected to makingdecisions, with bills that have
to do with dpp.
That was an intuition thing.
I don't have to sit there withthe mayor and certain people,
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but I made an intuition, I feelit coming and want to be a part
of the solution, not just tohang out on the prom.
I'm already doing some workbased on intuition, right, and
so that's what births thosethings.
You know it's like why, wouldyou know, am I doing?
Trying to, you know, createscenarios of surviving outside
of I'm pivoting now, okay, whatkind of projects where we don't
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need permitting?
you know, and so you just got to, you just got to think, okay,
worst case scenario, eveneverything's all good, now
everything might not be all goodin the storm, right?
So indicator number two is whatI call the thunder.
You know, I was like once youhear that rumble, rumble, you're
like, oh man, it's kind ofofficial now, like there is a
(34:33):
storm.
Doesn't mean it's going to hityou, but there's definitely a
storm now.
Yeah, right.
So hearing it is like, is itaffecting you yet or is it just
noise?
That it's, it's out there butnot affecting you.
And so when you hear the thunder, it's like when I read, you
know, a magazine article aboutthe dpp is taking longer than
usual, I'm now hearing the noise.
(34:54):
Yeah, it's not just anintuition anymore.
Now I'm speaking to other.
You know, I'm out there withanother colleague and he's like
man, is your permit?
Taking a while, because it'slike taking us almost a year.
Now the architect starts, I seein emails and you know, and
just the noise is getting real,right, it's like, oh man, like
there is a storm out there it'sapproaching or it's it's out in
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the outskirts of me.
You know it's.
It's not affecting me yet, butit's on the outskirts.
So when that starts happening,that's when you know.
We just start doing ourpreparation at tier two now.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Like a little more.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You know it's real.
Give the team heads up like hey, projects might not start.
You know it's okay to integratea little bit of that awareness.
There's a storm.
You know, just like storms do.
They put the little indicatorson the TV back in the day.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So there's is warning , or you know, or the floating
banner.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so same kind of thing of business
and how you approach certainthings.
But then when you see thelightning, it's it's
collectively, it's something youcould see now, and that's when
the lightning is when youactually start seeing it
affecting you.
Uh, so it's not in theoutskirts anymore.
Lightning is like, okay, it'shitting ground.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's not in the outskirtsanymore.
Lightning is like, okay, it'shitting ground.
(36:06):
You know what I mean.
It's no longer just in the sky,it's touching the earth.
And then it's approaching too.
Right, and for shelter, it'stime for protecting your
business, it's time to stopinvesting.
It's time to kind of like letthe team know, like, hey, this
(36:30):
is a storm.
It could still like pass us,but it's a real storm.
Now it's touching ground.
It could hit us dead on.
And then the last one is therain.
So if you could be a businessowner, family, marriage, could
be in the middle of this rightnow.
That's when you're in the storm, you know, and if you didn't
prepare for those indicators,that's, it is what it is.
(36:51):
And if you're in the stormright now, it's not too late,
like you still can wake up.
The builder of all things.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's not too late.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
mean.
So sometimes you it's good tohave these indicators and to
like pay attention and thenstart you know, prepping teams
to understand it could be, andwhen it is happening, just start
putting your processes in placeand get your shelter and ready
for the storm.
But when the rain comes andyou're in it, man, that's when
it's all fate.
You can imagine, like inTwister, when the storm was
(37:18):
hitting, it was just oncethey're at the shelter, man,
they're just holding each otherand hope they don't blow away.
The rain is when you're in it.
But when you're in it in it andthat's what those uh disciples
on the boat were, they were init in it, and so they they had
to make a choice on whether totry to control it from there or
to wake up the builder of allthings, to just kind of seize
(37:40):
the day.
And so, just going back on whatI said, man, that peace doesn't
come from the absence of thestorm.
It comes in the presence of thebuilder of all things is where
you get to really restpeacefully and understanding
that he is in control of thestorms that come.
He is the one that's in controlof allowing it to begin in the
first place.
So if he's in control ofallowing it to pass and to stop
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it, like everything in themiddle, as much as it sucks,
it's going to shake yourfoundation and all the things
that need to fall off.
So you know what you got to fix, and if you not, if it shuts
you down, then praise God,because Paul in Acts 27 was on a
ship.
Let's call it a boat.
It's going off and that stormhit them.
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That boat didn't survive, butnot one person was injured on
that ship.
Every single one, I shouldn'tsay injured.
I'm pretty sure they hadscratches and broken arms.
But they all survived.
Not one died for sure.
They all made it to land.
They had to swim, but they allmade it.
Every single one accounted for.
So sometimes even the boat willsink, but you weren't meant to
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do a business at that time orthat type of business in that
time, and that's acceptable,right and so, either way, at the
end of the day, god, whenthere's a storm, he is shaking
you, trying to see what you needto work on, and sometimes it's
not to destroy or to to shake,sometimes it's just to reroute.
Yeah, you know, redirect Likesometimes the storm's right
(39:06):
there and you just can't goforward.
No more, right.
You know, like, oh, we got to gothis way then, yeah, let's
dodge the storm.
Sometimes it's just to pivotyou yeah, you know and get you
in a new direction.
Thank you.
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