February 7, 2025 • 16 mins
Podcasts get a bad rap sometimes, and one stereotype just won’t go away. So we're breaking down why it’s totally wrong, why it keeps popping up, and what podcasters can do about it. We also dive into why long-form conversations matter, how podcasting gets unfairly judged, and yes—our thoughts on that SNL skit.
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Alban (00:00):
All right.
So, kevin, I've been thinkingsince our last episode.
I think I understand why youdid not like the SNL Medcast
skit.
All right, why do you think Ididn't like this?
Okay, so to set it up foranybody who didn't listen to the
end of the last episode, snlhad a skit and it was kind of
like men Kevin's in my age.
They don't really go to thedoctor and instead they're just
(00:22):
listening to podcasts.
So the doctors do like a fakepodcast interview and that's how
they're getting guys to come infor their checkups Like
tricking them.
Kevin said I love SNL, but Ididn't really love this one and
I was thinking about it more andI was like what, what's in here
that we didn't like?
And I've got a theory.
Okay, the theory is that it'sjust a straw man.
(00:43):
The straw man is that there'sall these guys out there that
instead of going to the doctor,they're really just listening to
podcasts and it's funny.
I found it funny, but it is.
It's definitely fake.
I seriously hope it's fake andsomehow it kind of is taking a
shot at podcasting, which isnear and dear to our hearts.
Jordan (01:04):
Yeah.
Alban (01:04):
And it takes a shot at podcasting by which is near and
dear to our hearts.
Yeah, and it takes a shot atpodcasting by saying podcasts
are kind of saying they're justas good as a doctor, but they're
really not.
And I basically have spent thelast week thinking about all the
ways in which podcasting isbeautiful for what it is, but
people need to stop misusing itPeople including SNL.
(01:25):
So this is my theory.
Jordan (01:28):
Oh, wow.
Kevin (01:29):
I think that's a good theory.
Some of that's definitelyresonating with me.
Some of that is definitely true.
I don't like when people pokefun at podcasts as like one of
the leading sources ofmisinformation in the world.
Yeah, like as a blanketstatement or that sentiment.
It annoys me because I do thinkthere are a lot of podcasts
that do spread misinformationand are just doing, you know,
(01:52):
bro, science and garbage content, but there are a lot that are
doing the opposite of that, thatare exposing people to new
ideas and new concepts andthings that they never
considered before, and I think,overall, that's totally great.
And it's like there's tons ofother stuff that they never
considered before.
And I think, overall, that'stotally great.
And it's like there's tons ofother stuff that does the same
stuff.
Youtube does the same stuff.
People who write books oreditorials in very respected
(02:14):
publications all of that stuffcould also fall into the same
category, but for some reason,podcasts have gotten a bit of a
bad rap for doing this.
Alban (02:22):
Yeah, to be clear the printing press, as soon as it
came out, was all the mostpopular books were not the Bible
.
It was like how to identifywitches in your neighborhood.
It was misinformation, was likethe first thing people pressed
because they're all excitedabout all this crazy stuff in
these books.
But what I kept thinking waslike misinformation and free
speech and podcasting, and Ikept going back to all these
(02:46):
cases.
I read about free speech andthe best antidote to bad speech
is more speech.
We need more ideas and podcasts.
We definitely are now at apoint where we have tons of
ideas, but just saying ideas isnot the final step and I feel
like that might be.
(03:07):
Where is like a culture?
We seem to be all a little bitconfused right now.
People are going on podcastsand we say all sorts of dumb
stuff.
We say dumb stuff on thispodcast.
That is not the end of thescientific method.
It's not the end of factfinding.
It's not the end of like wehave the affirmative truth.
We're just at the free speech,like we're not stifling ideas
(03:29):
phase.
We're just at step one of likehey, you can say what you want
Legally, we're not even going totry to stop you from saying
what you want, but that's notthe end.
We still have the scientificmethod, we still have good
explanations, we still have factfinding, we still have articles
and journals and everythingelse, and somehow podcasting has
(03:49):
been like falsely accused,slandered by saying that somehow
we now are the standard bearersfor like podcasts.
Are it?
As soon as you say it on apodcast, it's good and it's done
.
No more work needs to be doneafter that.
Jordan (04:06):
See, okay, so from my perspective I'm going to be like
the female voice in this room.
Here is I was thinking that itwas more taking a friend, and so
I trust them, as I would trusta friend, I don't know, for me
(04:36):
it was more taking jabs at, likethe people that are just like I
love podcasters so much and Ilisten to them and I'm going to
regurgitate everything that theysay to all the people that I
know.
I don't know.
It kind of feels likepodcasters are getting ushered
into this more serious stage,like us.
We're talking, we're going tobe wrong about things.
(04:56):
That's okay because it's not tobe taken that seriously, right.
But it feels like podcastersare getting pushed more into, I
mean, like this new media whereit's to be taken more seriously,
and they're getting like mediapasses and stuff like that and
it's fully not reporters.
These are podcasters andinfluencers.
You know what I mean.
Alban (05:14):
I don't know.
Yeah, I think the the unlockfor me was that it wasn't the
Kevin and I are in the age groupfor men that don't go to the
doctor.
That is, I think, a fact.
I don't think that that isincorrect, but it wasn't the
like male part of me thatbristled at it.
I think it is the part of methat's like an advocate for the
podcasting industry.
(05:34):
There's just like oh yeah, ofcourse, like it shouldn't be
used as medical advice, buteveryone knows that and I this
is like the stupidest thing todo is argue with a comedy Cause
it was funny, I found it funny.
I know that like I don't have tofight the comedy, but I do
think as podcasters we shouldevery once in a while throw the
caveat out there.
We're in the idea space, we'rein the exploration phase, but
(06:02):
once people come up with goodideas, then we come up with good
explanations.
We then test our hypotheses andwe come up with theories and we
do studies and then we startpublishing in journals and we do
peer review, Like there's a lotof other stuff that comes up.
All that we're in is just likestep one.
Of course, that's not the laststep.
Kevin (06:24):
All right, I'm resisting the urge to get too deep on it
on a conversation around aSaturday Night Live skit.
I would love to see how deep wecan go.
Jordan (06:33):
How far down the rabbit hole?
Kevin (06:36):
I really am resisting the urge because, at the end of the
day, podcasts are a place forpeople to come together and go
as deep or as light as they want, and I think it should be, and
should remain forever like asafe space for people to have
conversations with their friendsor with other people who are
interested in similar topicssometimes experts, sometimes not
and just say, hey, here'ssomething that I've discovered
(06:57):
for myself, here's somethingthat works for me, here's
something that I heard that Itried, that didn't work for me,
whatever.
And it doesn't all have tofollow the scientific method and
be fully.
We have verdicts through blindstudies and all that kind of
stuff.
Some of it is justconversations and as a podcast
listener, you can listen in onthose conversations and you can
decide how much of it you wantto believe and how much of it
that you don't Right.
(07:18):
Yeah, a ton of the most popularpodcasts, in fact, one that
Jordan just helped launch lastweek is talking about crazy UFO
theories and stuff like that,and that's just a couple of
people getting together and justtalking about what they think
about some stuff that they'veread, you know, and their ideas
around it, and it's just fun.
Jordan (07:33):
And they know nothing.
Kevin (07:36):
And that should be perfectly fine, okay.
The other point I want to make,about the Saturday Night Live
skit specifically, is that Ijust didn't think it was that
funny, and so I am a little bitoffended as somebody who enjoys
funny stuff.
I thought, it was a little.
Jordan (07:49):
I'm offended somebody who enjoys funny stuff.
I thought it was a little.
I'm offended.
Kevin (07:54):
Cause you weren't funny enough.
I think it was a little bit ofthe same tired joke that they
did last time.
They did a podcasting skit.
But the first time I thought itwas really funny and that was
you know, the the father sonmicrophone that helps you
fathers and sons haveconversations, and it's playing
off the joke that men have ahard time having deep
conversations with each other,and this is a way for fathers
and sons to actually have realconversations.
(08:16):
Right, If we make it like apodcast, maybe they'll talk.
And then they use the same jokethey recycled it to how can we
get men to talk to doctors?
Well, it's the same thing.
Men have a hard time talking,so if we put them in a podcast
environment, they'll talk totheir doctor.
And so I'm like same tired jokeagain.
You know, podcasts are kind ofthe a little bit of the
punchline here, taking jabs atwhatever, and so I think that's
(08:41):
kind of the core of why I waslike, eh, okay, great,
podcasting again, a little bitmore mainstream, but it wasn't
the genius.
That was like the originalpodcast get on SNL, which was
the serial Sarah Koenigimpression, which was genius and
wonderful and all that kind ofstuff.
Jordan (08:54):
Well, and maybe I thought it was funny because I
hadn't seen those other skits,those other podcast skits, and
so for me it was a little bitmore fresh.
Kevin (09:02):
Oh, you hadn't seen the dad Mike.
Jordan (09:04):
Uh-uh, no, I hadn't seen it, so to me it was new.
Alban (09:07):
Yeah, if you go watch it, it'd be interesting to see if
you think it's funny now thatyou've kind of seen the joke
already once, because it'll justbe a retelling.
Jordan (09:14):
I have to be honest with you.
I've tried watching SNL so manytimes and I just I don't think
it's funny, so I don't watch it.
Kevin (09:23):
I think like YouTube killed SNL because it used to be
that you'd suffer through thehour and a half duration of the
show for the one or two goodskits on the show.
Yes, and now you don't have toanymore, because they will just
surface on YouTube.
Jordan (09:36):
I just wait for someone to post them in the company chat
or something I'm like.
Okay, this is going to be good.
Alban (09:40):
Right, yeah, yeah, I used to watch it on Saturday nights
and you'd suffer through thecommercials and then you'd have
the musical guest who I didn'tcare about and I'm like, oh man,
it's another 15 minutes.
Hopefully there's another skitcoming up.
Youtube premium watching SNL isthe way to watch SNL.
Like I just do it the nextmorning and then you just go and
(10:02):
it's like 25 minutes of I findhilarious skits and I watch it
all and I'm like, oh, these aregreat.
I send my favorite ones to mysister and not a two hour kind
of going through it and watchingtons of truck and beer
commercials.
Kevin (10:20):
Okay, so this this is a little bit off of the topic of
the SNL skit, but Albin sort ofhinted around it One of the
things that I think is startingto resonate with people who
listen to podcasts, or peoplewho are starting to consider
listening to podcasts, is thatthese longer conversations lead
to people being more real and Ithink, potentially, like you,
(10:45):
can say something that in and ofitself could be taken poorly,
but in the larger context of avery lightly edited long
conversation where you get tohear the person you know for 30
minutes before and 30 minutesafter, you start to really
understand, sort of like, wheretheir heart is, where their
motivations are, some of theirback history, some of their
(11:06):
story, and then they express anopinion which may or may not be
popular with you, like it mightnot resonate with you, you might
disagree with it, but at leastyou're more open to it, knowing
more context on both sides ofthose opinions.
Jordan (11:19):
Yeah.
Kevin (11:20):
And I think that is a really powerful thing in
podcasting that you don't reallyget in, I would say,
traditional media, whetheryou're reading a newspaper or
whether you're watching aninterview on a popular news show
or something like that.
Those things are all are tightbecause they're very time
constrained, but it's one of thethings that Joe Rogan is like
the most popular example of apodcast that does this.
(11:40):
But now other podcasts havestarted to follow this format as
well, that you're not justhaving guests on who are
expressing opinions about thingsand those opinions you might
just disagree with and decide Idon't like this person.
But you're actually starting toget some of the story around
that person.
And who is this person?
And they talk about hobbies,they talk about their family,
they share stories and so youcan say, listen, I don't really
(12:02):
like how you've gotten to thisopinion, a political opinion, a
medical opinion, an opinionabout education, an opinion
about how you should do thingsin the workplace, whatever it
could be.
But you could say, well, butnow that I know a little bit
more about you, I understand howyou've gotten to that place,
how it makes sense to you, andthey're just more like real life
(12:22):
, humanizing you know, it's likeI've got a lot of friends who
we disagree on a lot of thingswith.
I disagree with a lot of thingsin their lives and yet I'm still
able to find some common ground.
I'm still able to know them asa person.
And so, even though we disagreeon, like where your kids should
go to school or like what is,you know your involvement in
school sports look like, or thefact that you go to the, you
(12:44):
know you're heavily involved inthe PTA and you think that I
should be too, but we can stillhave fun together.
Outside of that, A lot ofschool conflicts, Kevin.
I don't know what my examplesare coming from.
Alban (12:53):
Yeah, they aren't more humanizing because if you're a
guest on TV, you know they'reonly going to pick 30 seconds
and they're going to pick the 30seconds that are the best for
TV.
And often it's when youmisspoke and you said something
really dumb and they went soundbite done.
We got you Right.
So you get a lot of interviewsthat are very wooden because
people are thinking the wholetime I got to be very careful.
(13:16):
What exactly am I going to say?
Is are thinking the whole time.
I got to be very careful.
What exactly am I going to say?
Is it going to sound dumb?
How will it come across if it'sonly this one sentence?
And you just get a lot of verywooden interviews but podcasts,
when you know this whole thing'sgoing to be like 45 minutes, it
may even be multiple hours thenyou know, oh, if I missay it
and I go wait, let me say thatagain and you give some more
(13:36):
context.
A lot of times what soundedreally dumb or misspoke in one
sentence is clarified in thenext, and that's becoming much
more of the norm in podcasting.
So you get way fewer of thegotcha moments.
You get much more of the wow.
I totally disagree, and yet Ikind of see how we just have
(13:57):
totally different life paths sowe ended up at very different
results.
Jordan (14:00):
Yeah.
Kevin (14:01):
So it's leading me to this new theory that I might be
ready to accept for mepersonally, and that is like I
think more short form contentdrives more emotional responses
and drives more, you know, thisside or that side, and in a lot
of cases it also drives likelike rage, like we have to do
whatever we can to stop this orto shut this down or to censor
(14:23):
this content.
And then more long form content, like books and podcasts and
stuff, I think, do the opposite.
They kind of open your mind andyou're like, okay, well, yeah,
we, I there.
There are other ways to look atthis again.
Even though I may not disagreewith it, at the end of the day I
don't necessarily think theperson behind it or who believes
(14:44):
that is, you know, the worstthing ever.
We just disagree and it's okayto have disagreements and it's
okay to share my idea and youridea and then still be friends
and have a drink out.
But you don't get that onTwitter, you're not going to get
that on TikTok.
You're not going to get anInstagram and YouTube shorts and
even YouTube proper, like youknow, three and four minute
videos.
You're not going to get allthat stuff.
Alban (15:04):
Even the worst person.
You're not going to be able todisagree with 90% of the things
they say.
You know deep down, even thepeople you find like the most
confusing or the most confused,they still love their own family
.
They're still like day to daydealing with a lot of the same
things that you are, and so whenyou hear their story, you're
like, wow, even though Idisagree on everything I've ever
read, they've written everyTikTok they've ever posted.
(15:25):
Now, when I actually hear moreabout them, I get like they're
just different.
We're very, very different, butwe still have like 40, 50% of
the human experience is exactlythe same.
Jordan (15:38):
All right.
Well, I think that that was agreat deep dive into an SNL skit
.
Can't wait for more of thatnext week when we have our full
Buzzcast episode and our soundoff question for next week is
what is the creator path you'vetaken?
So we're still accepting somesubmissions for that.
So go ahead and tap the text,the show link in the show notes
(16:00):
to send that in and until nexttime, keep podcasting.
All right.
So, kevin, I've been thinkingsince our last episode.
I think I understand why youdid not like the SNL Medcast
skit.
All right, why do you think Ididn't like this?
Okay, so to set it up foranybody who didn't listen to the
end of the last episode, snlhad a skit and it was kind of
like men Kevin's in my age.
They don't really go to thedoctor and instead they're just
(00:22):
listening to podcasts.
So the doctors do like a fakepodcast interview and that's how
they're getting guys to come infor their checkups Like
tricking them.
Kevin said I love SNL, but Ididn't really love this one and
I was thinking about it more andI was like what, what's in here
that we didn't like?
And I've got a theory.
Okay, the theory is that it'sjust a straw man.
(00:43):
The straw man is that there'sall these guys out there that
instead of going to the doctor,they're really just listening to
podcasts and it's funny.
I found it funny, but it is.
It's definitely fake.
I seriously hope it's fake andsomehow it kind of is taking a
shot at podcasting, which isnear and dear to our hearts.
Jordan (01:04):
Yeah.
Alban (01:04):
And it takes a shot at podcasting by which is near and
dear to our hearts.
Yeah, and it takes a shot atpodcasting by saying podcasts
are kind of saying they're justas good as a doctor, but they're
really not.
And I basically have spent thelast week thinking about all the
ways in which podcasting isbeautiful for what it is, but
people need to stop misusing itPeople including SNL.
(01:25):
So this is my theory.
Jordan (01:28):
Oh, wow.
Kevin (01:29):
I think that's a good theory.
Some of that's definitelyresonating with me.
Some of that is definitely true.
I don't like when people pokefun at podcasts as like one of
the leading sources ofmisinformation in the world.
Yeah, like as a blanketstatement or that sentiment.
It annoys me because I do thinkthere are a lot of podcasts
that do spread misinformationand are just doing, you know,
(01:52):
bro, science and garbage content, but there are a lot that are
doing the opposite of that, thatare exposing people to new
ideas and new concepts andthings that they never
considered before, and I think,overall, that's totally great.
And it's like there's tons ofother stuff that they never
considered before.
And I think, overall, that'stotally great.
And it's like there's tons ofother stuff that does the same
stuff.
Youtube does the same stuff.
People who write books oreditorials in very respected
(02:14):
publications all of that stuffcould also fall into the same
category, but for some reason,podcasts have gotten a bit of a
bad rap for doing this.
Alban (02:22):
Yeah, to be clear the printing press, as soon as it
came out, was all the mostpopular books were not the Bible
.
It was like how to identifywitches in your neighborhood.
It was misinformation, was likethe first thing people pressed
because they're all excitedabout all this crazy stuff in
these books.
But what I kept thinking waslike misinformation and free
speech and podcasting, and Ikept going back to all these
(02:46):
cases.
I read about free speech andthe best antidote to bad speech
is more speech.
We need more ideas and podcasts.
We definitely are now at apoint where we have tons of
ideas, but just saying ideas isnot the final step and I feel
like that might be.
(03:07):
Where is like a culture?
We seem to be all a little bitconfused right now.
People are going on podcastsand we say all sorts of dumb
stuff.
We say dumb stuff on thispodcast.
That is not the end of thescientific method.
It's not the end of factfinding.
It's not the end of like wehave the affirmative truth.
We're just at the free speech,like we're not stifling ideas
(03:29):
phase.
We're just at step one of likehey, you can say what you want
Legally, we're not even going totry to stop you from saying
what you want, but that's notthe end.
We still have the scientificmethod, we still have good
explanations, we still have factfinding, we still have articles
and journals and everythingelse, and somehow podcasting has
(03:49):
been like falsely accused,slandered by saying that somehow
we now are the standard bearersfor like podcasts.
Are it?
As soon as you say it on apodcast, it's good and it's done
.
No more work needs to be doneafter that.
Jordan (04:06):
See, okay, so from my perspective I'm going to be like
the female voice in this room.
Here is I was thinking that itwas more taking a friend, and so
I trust them, as I would trusta friend, I don't know, for me
(04:36):
it was more taking jabs at, likethe people that are just like I
love podcasters so much and Ilisten to them and I'm going to
regurgitate everything that theysay to all the people that I
know.
I don't know.
It kind of feels likepodcasters are getting ushered
into this more serious stage,like us.
We're talking, we're going tobe wrong about things.
(04:56):
That's okay because it's not tobe taken that seriously, right.
But it feels like podcastersare getting pushed more into, I
mean, like this new media whereit's to be taken more seriously,
and they're getting like mediapasses and stuff like that and
it's fully not reporters.
These are podcasters andinfluencers.
You know what I mean.
Alban (05:14):
I don't know.
Yeah, I think the the unlockfor me was that it wasn't the
Kevin and I are in the age groupfor men that don't go to the
doctor.
That is, I think, a fact.
I don't think that that isincorrect, but it wasn't the
like male part of me thatbristled at it.
I think it is the part of methat's like an advocate for the
podcasting industry.
(05:34):
There's just like oh yeah, ofcourse, like it shouldn't be
used as medical advice, buteveryone knows that and I this
is like the stupidest thing todo is argue with a comedy Cause
it was funny, I found it funny.
I know that like I don't have tofight the comedy, but I do
think as podcasters we shouldevery once in a while throw the
caveat out there.
We're in the idea space, we'rein the exploration phase, but
(06:02):
once people come up with goodideas, then we come up with good
explanations.
We then test our hypotheses andwe come up with theories and we
do studies and then we startpublishing in journals and we do
peer review, Like there's a lotof other stuff that comes up.
All that we're in is just likestep one.
Of course, that's not the laststep.
Kevin (06:24):
All right, I'm resisting the urge to get too deep on it
on a conversation around aSaturday Night Live skit.
I would love to see how deep wecan go.
Jordan (06:33):
How far down the rabbit hole?
Kevin (06:36):
I really am resisting the urge because, at the end of the
day, podcasts are a place forpeople to come together and go
as deep or as light as they want, and I think it should be, and
should remain forever like asafe space for people to have
conversations with their friendsor with other people who are
interested in similar topicssometimes experts, sometimes not
and just say, hey, here'ssomething that I've discovered
(06:57):
for myself, here's somethingthat works for me, here's
something that I heard that Itried, that didn't work for me,
whatever.
And it doesn't all have tofollow the scientific method and
be fully.
We have verdicts through blindstudies and all that kind of
stuff.
Some of it is justconversations and as a podcast
listener, you can listen in onthose conversations and you can
decide how much of it you wantto believe and how much of it
that you don't Right.
(07:18):
Yeah, a ton of the most popularpodcasts, in fact, one that
Jordan just helped launch lastweek is talking about crazy UFO
theories and stuff like that,and that's just a couple of
people getting together and justtalking about what they think
about some stuff that they'veread, you know, and their ideas
around it, and it's just fun.
Jordan (07:33):
And they know nothing.
Kevin (07:36):
And that should be perfectly fine, okay.
The other point I want to make,about the Saturday Night Live
skit specifically, is that Ijust didn't think it was that
funny, and so I am a little bitoffended as somebody who enjoys
funny stuff.
I thought, it was a little.
Jordan (07:49):
I'm offended somebody who enjoys funny stuff.
I thought it was a little.
I'm offended.
Kevin (07:54):
Cause you weren't funny enough.
I think it was a little bit ofthe same tired joke that they
did last time.
They did a podcasting skit.
But the first time I thought itwas really funny and that was
you know, the the father sonmicrophone that helps you
fathers and sons haveconversations, and it's playing
off the joke that men have ahard time having deep
conversations with each other,and this is a way for fathers
and sons to actually have realconversations.
(08:16):
Right, If we make it like apodcast, maybe they'll talk.
And then they use the same jokethey recycled it to how can we
get men to talk to doctors?
Well, it's the same thing.
Men have a hard time talking,so if we put them in a podcast
environment, they'll talk totheir doctor.
And so I'm like same tired jokeagain.
You know, podcasts are kind ofthe a little bit of the
punchline here, taking jabs atwhatever, and so I think that's
(08:41):
kind of the core of why I waslike, eh, okay, great,
podcasting again, a little bitmore mainstream, but it wasn't
the genius.
That was like the originalpodcast get on SNL, which was
the serial Sarah Koenigimpression, which was genius and
wonderful and all that kind ofstuff.
Jordan (08:54):
Well, and maybe I thought it was funny because I
hadn't seen those other skits,those other podcast skits, and
so for me it was a little bitmore fresh.
Kevin (09:02):
Oh, you hadn't seen the dad Mike.
Jordan (09:04):
Uh-uh, no, I hadn't seen it, so to me it was new.
Alban (09:07):
Yeah, if you go watch it, it'd be interesting to see if
you think it's funny now thatyou've kind of seen the joke
already once, because it'll justbe a retelling.
Jordan (09:14):
I have to be honest with you.
I've tried watching SNL so manytimes and I just I don't think
it's funny, so I don't watch it.
Kevin (09:23):
I think like YouTube killed SNL because it used to be
that you'd suffer through thehour and a half duration of the
show for the one or two goodskits on the show.
Yes, and now you don't have toanymore, because they will just
surface on YouTube.
Jordan (09:36):
I just wait for someone to post them in the company chat
or something I'm like.
Okay, this is going to be good.
Alban (09:40):
Right, yeah, yeah, I used to watch it on Saturday nights
and you'd suffer through thecommercials and then you'd have
the musical guest who I didn'tcare about and I'm like, oh man,
it's another 15 minutes.
Hopefully there's another skitcoming up.
Youtube premium watching SNL isthe way to watch SNL.
Like I just do it the nextmorning and then you just go and
(10:02):
it's like 25 minutes of I findhilarious skits and I watch it
all and I'm like, oh, these aregreat.
I send my favorite ones to mysister and not a two hour kind
of going through it and watchingtons of truck and beer
commercials.
Kevin (10:20):
Okay, so this this is a little bit off of the topic of
the SNL skit, but Albin sort ofhinted around it One of the
things that I think is startingto resonate with people who
listen to podcasts, or peoplewho are starting to consider
listening to podcasts, is thatthese longer conversations lead
to people being more real and Ithink, potentially, like you,
(10:45):
can say something that in and ofitself could be taken poorly,
but in the larger context of avery lightly edited long
conversation where you get tohear the person you know for 30
minutes before and 30 minutesafter, you start to really
understand, sort of like, wheretheir heart is, where their
motivations are, some of theirback history, some of their
(11:06):
story, and then they express anopinion which may or may not be
popular with you, like it mightnot resonate with you, you might
disagree with it, but at leastyou're more open to it, knowing
more context on both sides ofthose opinions.
Jordan (11:19):
Yeah.
Kevin (11:20):
And I think that is a really powerful thing in
podcasting that you don't reallyget in, I would say,
traditional media, whetheryou're reading a newspaper or
whether you're watching aninterview on a popular news show
or something like that.
Those things are all are tightbecause they're very time
constrained, but it's one of thethings that Joe Rogan is like
the most popular example of apodcast that does this.
(11:40):
But now other podcasts havestarted to follow this format as
well, that you're not justhaving guests on who are
expressing opinions about thingsand those opinions you might
just disagree with and decide Idon't like this person.
But you're actually starting toget some of the story around
that person.
And who is this person?
And they talk about hobbies,they talk about their family,
they share stories and so youcan say, listen, I don't really
(12:02):
like how you've gotten to thisopinion, a political opinion, a
medical opinion, an opinionabout education, an opinion
about how you should do thingsin the workplace, whatever it
could be.
But you could say, well, butnow that I know a little bit
more about you, I understand howyou've gotten to that place,
how it makes sense to you, andthey're just more like real life
(12:22):
, humanizing you know, it's likeI've got a lot of friends who
we disagree on a lot of thingswith.
I disagree with a lot of thingsin their lives and yet I'm still
able to find some common ground.
I'm still able to know them asa person.
And so, even though we disagreeon, like where your kids should
go to school or like what is,you know your involvement in
school sports look like, or thefact that you go to the, you
(12:44):
know you're heavily involved inthe PTA and you think that I
should be too, but we can stillhave fun together.
Outside of that, A lot ofschool conflicts, Kevin.
I don't know what my examplesare coming from.
Alban (12:53):
Yeah, they aren't more humanizing because if you're a
guest on TV, you know they'reonly going to pick 30 seconds
and they're going to pick the 30seconds that are the best for
TV.
And often it's when youmisspoke and you said something
really dumb and they went soundbite done.
We got you Right.
So you get a lot of interviewsthat are very wooden because
people are thinking the wholetime I got to be very careful.
(13:16):
What exactly am I going to say?
Is are thinking the whole time.
I got to be very careful.
What exactly am I going to say?
Is it going to sound dumb?
How will it come across if it'sonly this one sentence?
And you just get a lot of verywooden interviews but podcasts,
when you know this whole thing'sgoing to be like 45 minutes, it
may even be multiple hours thenyou know, oh, if I missay it
and I go wait, let me say thatagain and you give some more
(13:36):
context.
A lot of times what soundedreally dumb or misspoke in one
sentence is clarified in thenext, and that's becoming much
more of the norm in podcasting.
So you get way fewer of thegotcha moments.
You get much more of the wow.
I totally disagree, and yet Ikind of see how we just have
(13:57):
totally different life paths sowe ended up at very different
results.
Jordan (14:00):
Yeah.
Kevin (14:01):
So it's leading me to this new theory that I might be
ready to accept for mepersonally, and that is like I
think more short form contentdrives more emotional responses
and drives more, you know, thisside or that side, and in a lot
of cases it also drives likelike rage, like we have to do
whatever we can to stop this orto shut this down or to censor
(14:23):
this content.
And then more long form content, like books and podcasts and
stuff, I think, do the opposite.
They kind of open your mind andyou're like, okay, well, yeah,
we, I there.
There are other ways to look atthis again.
Even though I may not disagreewith it, at the end of the day I
don't necessarily think theperson behind it or who believes
(14:44):
that is, you know, the worstthing ever.
We just disagree and it's okayto have disagreements and it's
okay to share my idea and youridea and then still be friends
and have a drink out.
But you don't get that onTwitter, you're not going to get
that on TikTok.
You're not going to get anInstagram and YouTube shorts and
even YouTube proper, like youknow, three and four minute
videos.
You're not going to get allthat stuff.
Alban (15:04):
Even the worst person.
You're not going to be able todisagree with 90% of the things
they say.
You know deep down, even thepeople you find like the most
confusing or the most confused,they still love their own family
.
They're still like day to daydealing with a lot of the same
things that you are, and so whenyou hear their story, you're
like, wow, even though Idisagree on everything I've ever
read, they've written everyTikTok they've ever posted.
(15:25):
Now, when I actually hear moreabout them, I get like they're
just different.
We're very, very different, butwe still have like 40, 50% of
the human experience is exactlythe same.
Jordan (15:38):
All right.
Well, I think that that was agreat deep dive into an SNL skit
.
Can't wait for more of thatnext week when we have our full
Buzzcast episode and our soundoff question for next week is
what is the creator path you'vetaken?
So we're still accepting somesubmissions for that.
So go ahead and tap the text,the show link in the show notes
(16:00):
to send that in and until nexttime, keep podcasting.
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