May 30, 2025 • 15 mins
After a flawless escape room victory, we're tackling a puzzle we can't solve: why remote podcast recording software still fails so often. From audio glitches to browser limitations, these are our frustrations of creating studio-quality content online.
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Kevin (00:00):
So you guys did an escape room last night.
Jordan (00:02):
Yes.
Alban (00:03):
Yeah, we did an escape room.
We may or may not have set arecord, I think we did.
Or the people at the escaperoom were buttering us up,
trying to get us to do a secondescape room.
Kevin (00:12):
I think they always tell people they set a record.
Jordan (00:15):
It was a little bit of a tall tale.
Alban (00:17):
I like to think we set a record, but I doubt it.
Jordan (00:21):
Yeah, this kid.
He was like we need like 40clues and only like a couple
people have ever finished theroom.
And then we were in it and wecompleted it with like 20
minutes left, no clues used, andit was like there's no way,
there's no way.
Alban (00:36):
Well, I choose to believe .
My truth is only 20,.
This is what they told us only20% of people complete the room
and the average person gets abunch of clues and they still
don't even finish.
And we walked out with 21minutes to go, no clues, and we
were riding high and they saidyou did such a great job.
And also one of the things we'dlike to offer you is, since
(00:57):
you've already done one room,you can get a second room for
40% off.
What a great deal.
Everyone in that room signed upagain.
Jordan (01:05):
We were in.
Kevin (01:06):
We're like well, we've already set one record, we might
as well set two.
Was it just the three of you,or were you put together with
another group?
Alban (01:14):
Well, I brought one of my dear friends, John Pollard.
Okay, so he came.
John is on the software side atBuzzsprout.
Jordan (01:20):
Yeah.
Alban (01:21):
And then we had two randoms, and the two randoms
were great.
They immediately went.
We're going right back inanother room and we're doing it
on our own Right.
Swipe that card, we're back.
Yeah, we're back.
Jordan (01:33):
Yeah, it was funny because we went out to dinner
and then we came back to do aroom and they came out and they
were like we did not completethat second room.
We had so many clues and wenever completed it and it's,
it's way too hard, it's way toohard.
And we just took that as anindication that like okay, I got
his phone number to text himwhen we finished the room, just
like rubbing it a little bit,you know he really did.
Alban (01:54):
He said, let me uh what?
Do you guys take my number soyou can text me if you guys were
able to get out of here?
And I'm like and his wife wastelling George she's like, pay
close attention, attention todetail.
We're like I think that'sactually like a prerequisite for
all these rooms.
But we paid attention.
We barely got out.
Jordan (02:11):
Barely.
We had like 13 minutes left.
I sent him like a couplepictures of us in all our glory,
having finished the thing, andwe're just like yeah.
Kevin (02:19):
I have not done a lot of escape rooms Maybe three, I
think, in my life but my theoryin my vast experience is that
the smaller your group, the morelikely you are to complete it
quickly and efficiently.
I'm with you.
I think the more people youhave in there, it's just more
confusion.
Jordan (02:35):
It's too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah.
Alban (02:37):
And you've also got people who don't share that.
They have a clue.
So there's one point where like, like trying to get something
through in this other room and aguy's walking around with a
cane but I don't know this guy,so I think he just has a cane
and he's like, you know, wecould maybe use this to reach in
there.
And we're like, is that a prop?
He's like, yeah, I found itover there.
Kevin (02:56):
Like, dude, we don't know .
You Don't act like you, justneed a cane.
Alban (03:03):
So I'm with you.
I think that maybe keeping thegroup smaller is probably a
better idea.
Jordan (03:08):
Yeah, so you haven't guessed.
I'm in Florida.
We're in the studio recordingthis time.
Alban (03:13):
We are.
This is a live in-personpodcast recording.
Jordan (03:16):
It's weird.
Kevin (03:17):
Yeah, it's rare for us, but I feel like the work that
you guys did in the escape roomlast night was, you know,
solving mysteries is a goodsetup for what we should talk
about today.
What's this mystery?
Being that we typically recordremote, we use remote recording
software.
Today we don't have to, andlast night you solved mysteries.
There's another mystery that'splaguing podcasting right now,
(03:39):
which has to do with remoterecording software.
And why is it all so buggy andterrible and expensive?
Alban (03:47):
Wow, I feel like that's a bit much.
Kevin (03:49):
I don't know if it's all terrible buggy, it's maybe a bit
much, but I think even the besttools that we've used we've
still had problems with.
So I don't want to say they'reall terrible, but they all have
issues once in a while.
Right and yeah, and it's prettyexpensive software.
So when you're paying, you know, $30 a month roughly for the
software you shouldn't like runinto problems on the regular,
(04:12):
especially with things that arelike high stakes.
I think one of the worstbusinesses to possibly ever be
in would be like a weddingphotographer.
Like you think about theanxiety level of a wedding
photographer.
I don't know what all you'repaying for with a wedding
photographer, but I think partof what you're paying for is
that they can't mess up.
Right, like you have onewedding on one day.
(04:33):
It's super expensive.
They have to get all the shots,like they've got to get
whatever the uh, the bridekissing, the groom and the cake
cutting.
And if they don't get that shot, like you're not going to
reenact it.
There's no way to fake it.
Maybe with AI someday in thefuture, but where things stand
right now, you miss that shot,you're going to have a very
unhappy customer, right, right,and that is kind of the same
thing with this remote recordingsoftware is that you're going
(04:55):
to have guests on, they're goingto tell their story, they're
going to give you an hour oftheir time or two hours or
whatever.
If that recording gets messedup, the stakes are high.
You don't want to have to redothat.
You don't want to have to goback to that guest ever and say,
can we record it again?
And even if you do, you'regoing to miss some magical
moments that you had the firsttime.
Jordan (05:12):
Oh yeah.
Alban (05:13):
Somebody.
I was at Podcast Movement andshe did support for one of the
remote recording softwares andshe said how do you deal with
people who just get really meanor mad in support and I was like
man, I don't feel like we havetons of customers who are like
over the top angry.
And then I thought about it andwent yours is much more high
stakes.
I was like even if Bruss Broutwent totally down for an hour,
(05:37):
we'd say, oh my gosh, that wasour mistake, huge fault.
But all the episodes are livenow.
The worst thing that happenedwas listeners didn't get to
listen for an hour.
But if Squadcast or Riversideor Zoom or any of them go down
for a minute and you were in arecording now it's painful.
It's a much more high stakesgame.
Jordan (05:57):
It really is.
Kevin (05:58):
And I do think there is a lot of complexity in the
problem that they're solving.
It really is, and I do thinkthere is a lot of complexity in
the problem that they're solving.
It's more complex than justpodcast hosting.
Right, you're doing somethinglive.
Even if you're not livebroadcasting out to the world,
you are trying to capturesomething live, real time.
So if there is a technicalglitch, then that has just
messed up that thing.
That's happening in that moment.
I get all that.
(06:18):
But it seems like all of thesecompanies whether you're well,
not all of them, but most ofthem outside of Zoom, but Adobe
Podcasts, riverside Squadcasts,clean Feed, those are the ones
that come top of mind they'reall solving this problem through
browser technology.
Right, they're trying to recordvideo and audio and they're
(06:38):
utilizing the browser as likethe fat client for the software
solution, and then they're allpiggybacking on the capabilities
of the browser to make thathappen.
They're adding their ownspecial sauce in addition to
what's happening in the browserto do local recording and stuff.
But they're really-.
Alban (06:53):
When you say fat client, you mean like fat file system,
like the thing that's on thecomputer.
I mean like installablesoftware.
Kevin (06:59):
Yeah, so like, if you want to run Zoom, you can just
run that in a browser.
But they really push you todownload the Zoom software and
install it on your computer, I'mguessing, because then they
don't have to rely on thebrowser.
They control everything butRiverside and Squadcast and
Clean Feed and stuff they don'tLike.
You just run that through thebrowser.
You don't have to installanything on your computer to use
that software.
(07:19):
So they are heavily dependenton what's going on in the
browser and browsers get updatedregularly.
Again, this isn't our business,so it's just a bit of
speculation, but browsers getupdated regularly.
Lots of people run differentversions of browsers.
We can put two computers sideby side that are both completely
up to date and you might seethe browser version is just
different by, like, some tinylittle number at the end of a
very long string.
Yeah, and these softwares areutilizing that to do all this
(07:42):
recording, plus the local stuff,plus the syncing of the files
at the end of the day, and Ifeel like it's just I don't know
more fragile I think is the wayI'm thinking about it than it
probably should be for softwarethat costs $30 a month.
You know, professional,whatever they say, studio
quality recording for remotepodcast interviews.
That's how this stuff's allbeing sold, but I don't think it
is that.
(08:03):
I think it's I don't know notas reliable as it should be.
Jordan (08:06):
Yeah, I will say you know.
I mean we use Riverside forBuzzcast and I'm just so
confused by it and, like I'vesaid before, I'm not technically
minded and so they recordlocally and then it uploads to
the browser when it's complete.
But the thing is is like almostevery single episode we record.
If we talk over each otherwhich we do a lot the other
(08:30):
person who is either like startstalking, or the person who's
currently talking while someoneelse starts talking, their audio
gets garbled and distorted.
Else starts talking, theiraudio gets garbled and distorted
.
And so there's so many ends ofsentences or something like that
that I have to cut out everysingle episode because it gets
garbled.
And it's such a weird thingthat's been happening and it's
(08:51):
been happening for, like I don'tknow, over a year, maybe two
years, like a long time.
But I just accepted that thatis the flaw with recording
remotely.
Alban (09:00):
Why is that?
Because if it's recording itremotely, it shouldn't really
matter if it's uploaded later on.
Like what does the garblingcome?
Jordan (09:07):
from See.
That's what doesn't make senseto me.
Kevin (09:09):
Yeah, it absolutely should not.
Jordan (09:11):
And my audio shouldn't be affecting your audio, kevin.
No, it just doesn't make anysense and we lag because we're
so far, like I'm, in acompletely different side of the
country and so, yeah, sometimesthere's a lag and sometimes I
will start talking because Ithink one of you guys aren't
talking, and then I'll realizeand I'll stop, and then the
first part of whatever you'retrying to say is completely like
messed up.
Alban (09:31):
Yeah, so that's like a speed of light issue, right.
Kevin (09:35):
Yeah, not really.
I know what you're saying, butit's not really a speed of light
issue, it is an internettraffic issue.
Yeah, it is latency.
There's going to be somelatency.
Right, there will be some.
I think clean feed is thesoftware solution that's done
the best in terms of low latency, remote recording and because
their focus has been there, theyhave become the solution for a
(09:57):
lot of like Hollywood studios, alot of symphonies, a lot of
musicians use them, becausemusicians have to be like if I'm
playing bass on a track andyou're playing drums on a track
and Jordan's playing guitar, ona track it's one of the main use
cases.
I didn't know that is that theyare really good at low latency
recording so that you come in atexactly the right time and so
(10:17):
you can hear the drums playingand you know when to come in,
and so that's less important inpodcasting.
But if latency is extremelyhigh, that it does become a
problem because there's awkwardpauses or something like that.
The conversation doesn't flowas naturally as it should be.
So clean feed could be a goodsolution for the latency issue,
but clean feed doesn't offervideo and, like for Buzzcast, we
(10:38):
don't need video, but we dolike to see each other when
we're recording.
We don't need the videorecorded, but we do like to see
each other, because there'stimes we'll give each other hand
signals, like you know, up yourenergy level, like you're
saying good stuff, but we needto do this to each other all the
time.
Alban (10:51):
That's like the most common hand signal, actually,
that Kevin gives out.
Kevin (10:55):
Right or once in a while.
One of us will do a.
Jordan (10:58):
Alvin just.
Alban (10:59):
Here's the issues with in-person recordings In the
studio.
I bumped into a table behind meand knocked over four podcast
microphones.
Jordan (11:08):
How much money is that on the floor right now?
Alban (11:12):
This is a lot.
This is a Rode Broadcaster, aPR 40, and a Rode PodMic.
Kevin (11:20):
Okay, okay, hey, let's put this stuff aside.
Let's get back on topic.
Jordan (11:24):
All right, here we go, all right.
Kevin (11:27):
So the question I'm posing to anybody who's
listening, who works in thepodcast world, is is why are we
doing things this way?
Like Adobe podcasts right,adobe, huge company, infinite
number of like technicalresources right, adobe, huge
company, infinite number of liketechnical resources?
Why are you still deciding torely on a browser as the main,
like powerhouse engine drivingyour podcast recording solution?
(11:48):
Why are we not just you knowdelivering a like installable
chunk of software, like Zoom isdone, that just becomes really
reliable and does what it'ssupposed to do Does local
recording and syncs it up afterthe recording is done, like
uploads it to a place thatwhoever's going to edit that
episode can download it?
I don't understand it.
Again, going back to thewedding photographer analogy,
(12:08):
it's pretty high stakes.
Why are we building businessesthat are dependent upon browsers
that get updated, sometimesmultiple times a day and could
change at any given moment andcould break?
Alban (12:17):
your software.
My guess is the browsers aremore platform agnostic or closer
to being platform agnostic.
If you're trying to do aniPhone app, an Android app, a
bunch of different PC apps, abunch of Mac apps, a bunch of
like random Linux apps andyou're, like Chrome's, already
figured out how to get installedon all of those and it will
(12:38):
pretty much give me the samecapabilities across the board,
I'll take consistency and evenif I lose a little couple of
nines of reliability, but what Idon't want to have to do is try
to build custom apps for all ofthem.
I mean, I feel like Zoom didthat for video recordings.
Zoom became the best video likesoftware to talk to people, but
(12:59):
then they added so manyfeatures that the product
degraded and now it's like Ifeel like I use it way less and
said now I use Whereby, which isin the browser?
I don't know, but I imaginethat's probably the reason,
right yeah?
Kevin (13:12):
I mean we see a lot of discussions around this topic in
the Facebook community that werun for Buzzsprout and it seems
like this is not a problemthat's unique.
I don't want anybody to feellike we're harping on Riverside.
Riverside is the tool that weuse currently to record Buzzcast
and we do consistently run intoaudio issues, which doesn't
make sense because it's supposedto be local recordings.
(13:33):
There should not be likedigital audio artifacts unless
one of our computers happened tobe like slow or out of date or
whatever and the computer gotbogged down and caused some sort
of digital artifact.
But that's not the case.
We run very high end computers.
They're all brand new.
We're not running anything elsewhile we're recording.
Yeah, all the Jordan like wejust talked about this before we
(13:53):
recorded last time shecompletely reboots her computer
before we record.
Like we do all this stuff andwe still have these problems.
And we also see in our Facebookcommunity that people who run
squad cast have these problemsand we tried a test episode on
Adobe podcast and we ran into alittle issue and like we haven't
tried clean feed Cause again,clean feed doesn't have the
video side and we like to seeeach other.
But are we the only ones whoare having this problem?
No other people on our Facebookgroup are.
(14:15):
So what is the solution?
I don't know, besides flyingJordan into the office which has
its own set of problems, likeAlbin bumping into a bookshelf
and knocking over all themicrophones, all right.
So there's the mystery.
I don't know that we have asolution, but I think it's a
good opportunity to open it upto feedback from anybody who's
listening.
If anybody from Riverside islistening and you can explain
(14:37):
some of this, like drop us acomment, like maybe we can have
you on the show to talk aboutwhat are the challenges involved
.
If anybody from Adobe podcastsor clean feed or anybody who
wants to come on, I'm sure ouraudience would love to hear.
And if you're a podcaster andyou found a solution that really
works well for you and you loveit and you never switch and you
never run into problems, let usknow about that.
Absolutely, maybe we need totry something different.
Yeah, do it or try it.
Try something different.
Alban (14:57):
Yeah, this is definitely a problem that you have for any
feature launch is that thepeople who talk about it are the
people who something broke, andfor the person who's like, wow,
everything went smoothly andeasily, I'm so happy.
They're always the ones who goon and move on with their life
and do something else, right.
So we're the complainers todaybecause we've had a couple of
bad recordings in a row.
Jordan (15:16):
That's true.
That's all right, though.
Tap the Texas Show link in theshow notes to send in your
responses and we will have youon the podcast, or you can give
us some recommendations anduntil next time, keep podcasting
.
So you guys did an escape room last night.
Jordan (00:02):
Yes.
Alban (00:03):
Yeah, we did an escape room.
We may or may not have set arecord, I think we did.
Or the people at the escaperoom were buttering us up,
trying to get us to do a secondescape room.
Kevin (00:12):
I think they always tell people they set a record.
Jordan (00:15):
It was a little bit of a tall tale.
Alban (00:17):
I like to think we set a record, but I doubt it.
Jordan (00:21):
Yeah, this kid.
He was like we need like 40clues and only like a couple
people have ever finished theroom.
And then we were in it and wecompleted it with like 20
minutes left, no clues used, andit was like there's no way,
there's no way.
Alban (00:36):
Well, I choose to believe .
My truth is only 20,.
This is what they told us only20% of people complete the room
and the average person gets abunch of clues and they still
don't even finish.
And we walked out with 21minutes to go, no clues, and we
were riding high and they saidyou did such a great job.
And also one of the things we'dlike to offer you is, since
(00:57):
you've already done one room,you can get a second room for
40% off.
What a great deal.
Everyone in that room signed upagain.
Jordan (01:05):
We were in.
Kevin (01:06):
We're like well, we've already set one record, we might
as well set two.
Was it just the three of you,or were you put together with
another group?
Alban (01:14):
Well, I brought one of my dear friends, John Pollard.
Okay, so he came.
John is on the software side atBuzzsprout.
Jordan (01:20):
Yeah.
Alban (01:21):
And then we had two randoms, and the two randoms
were great.
They immediately went.
We're going right back inanother room and we're doing it
on our own Right.
Swipe that card, we're back.
Yeah, we're back.
Jordan (01:33):
Yeah, it was funny because we went out to dinner
and then we came back to do aroom and they came out and they
were like we did not completethat second room.
We had so many clues and wenever completed it and it's,
it's way too hard, it's way toohard.
And we just took that as anindication that like okay, I got
his phone number to text himwhen we finished the room, just
like rubbing it a little bit,you know he really did.
Alban (01:54):
He said, let me uh what?
Do you guys take my number soyou can text me if you guys were
able to get out of here?
And I'm like and his wife wastelling George she's like, pay
close attention, attention todetail.
We're like I think that'sactually like a prerequisite for
all these rooms.
But we paid attention.
We barely got out.
Jordan (02:11):
Barely.
We had like 13 minutes left.
I sent him like a couplepictures of us in all our glory,
having finished the thing, andwe're just like yeah.
Kevin (02:19):
I have not done a lot of escape rooms Maybe three, I
think, in my life but my theoryin my vast experience is that
the smaller your group, the morelikely you are to complete it
quickly and efficiently.
I'm with you.
I think the more people youhave in there, it's just more
confusion.
Jordan (02:35):
It's too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah.
Alban (02:37):
And you've also got people who don't share that.
They have a clue.
So there's one point where like, like trying to get something
through in this other room and aguy's walking around with a
cane but I don't know this guy,so I think he just has a cane
and he's like, you know, wecould maybe use this to reach in
there.
And we're like, is that a prop?
He's like, yeah, I found itover there.
Kevin (02:56):
Like, dude, we don't know .
You Don't act like you, justneed a cane.
Alban (03:03):
So I'm with you.
I think that maybe keeping thegroup smaller is probably a
better idea.
Jordan (03:08):
Yeah, so you haven't guessed.
I'm in Florida.
We're in the studio recordingthis time.
Alban (03:13):
We are.
This is a live in-personpodcast recording.
Jordan (03:16):
It's weird.
Kevin (03:17):
Yeah, it's rare for us, but I feel like the work that
you guys did in the escape roomlast night was, you know,
solving mysteries is a goodsetup for what we should talk
about today.
What's this mystery?
Being that we typically recordremote, we use remote recording
software.
Today we don't have to, andlast night you solved mysteries.
There's another mystery that'splaguing podcasting right now,
(03:39):
which has to do with remoterecording software.
And why is it all so buggy andterrible and expensive?
Alban (03:47):
Wow, I feel like that's a bit much.
Kevin (03:49):
I don't know if it's all terrible buggy, it's maybe a bit
much, but I think even the besttools that we've used we've
still had problems with.
So I don't want to say they'reall terrible, but they all have
issues once in a while.
Right and yeah, and it's prettyexpensive software.
So when you're paying, you know, $30 a month roughly for the
software you shouldn't like runinto problems on the regular,
(04:12):
especially with things that arelike high stakes.
I think one of the worstbusinesses to possibly ever be
in would be like a weddingphotographer.
Like you think about theanxiety level of a wedding
photographer.
I don't know what all you'repaying for with a wedding
photographer, but I think partof what you're paying for is
that they can't mess up.
Right, like you have onewedding on one day.
(04:33):
It's super expensive.
They have to get all the shots,like they've got to get
whatever the uh, the bridekissing, the groom and the cake
cutting.
And if they don't get that shot, like you're not going to
reenact it.
There's no way to fake it.
Maybe with AI someday in thefuture, but where things stand
right now, you miss that shot,you're going to have a very
unhappy customer, right, right,and that is kind of the same
thing with this remote recordingsoftware is that you're going
(04:55):
to have guests on, they're goingto tell their story, they're
going to give you an hour oftheir time or two hours or
whatever.
If that recording gets messedup, the stakes are high.
You don't want to have to redothat.
You don't want to have to goback to that guest ever and say,
can we record it again?
And even if you do, you'regoing to miss some magical
moments that you had the firsttime.
Jordan (05:12):
Oh yeah.
Alban (05:13):
Somebody.
I was at Podcast Movement andshe did support for one of the
remote recording softwares andshe said how do you deal with
people who just get really meanor mad in support and I was like
man, I don't feel like we havetons of customers who are like
over the top angry.
And then I thought about it andwent yours is much more high
stakes.
I was like even if Bruss Broutwent totally down for an hour,
(05:37):
we'd say, oh my gosh, that wasour mistake, huge fault.
But all the episodes are livenow.
The worst thing that happenedwas listeners didn't get to
listen for an hour.
But if Squadcast or Riversideor Zoom or any of them go down
for a minute and you were in arecording now it's painful.
It's a much more high stakesgame.
Jordan (05:57):
It really is.
Kevin (05:58):
And I do think there is a lot of complexity in the
problem that they're solving.
It really is, and I do thinkthere is a lot of complexity in
the problem that they're solving.
It's more complex than justpodcast hosting.
Right, you're doing somethinglive.
Even if you're not livebroadcasting out to the world,
you are trying to capturesomething live, real time.
So if there is a technicalglitch, then that has just
messed up that thing.
That's happening in that moment.
I get all that.
(06:18):
But it seems like all of thesecompanies whether you're well,
not all of them, but most ofthem outside of Zoom, but Adobe
Podcasts, riverside Squadcasts,clean Feed, those are the ones
that come top of mind they'reall solving this problem through
browser technology.
Right, they're trying to recordvideo and audio and they're
(06:38):
utilizing the browser as likethe fat client for the software
solution, and then they're allpiggybacking on the capabilities
of the browser to make thathappen.
They're adding their ownspecial sauce in addition to
what's happening in the browserto do local recording and stuff.
But they're really-.
Alban (06:53):
When you say fat client, you mean like fat file system,
like the thing that's on thecomputer.
I mean like installablesoftware.
Kevin (06:59):
Yeah, so like, if you want to run Zoom, you can just
run that in a browser.
But they really push you todownload the Zoom software and
install it on your computer, I'mguessing, because then they
don't have to rely on thebrowser.
They control everything butRiverside and Squadcast and
Clean Feed and stuff they don'tLike.
You just run that through thebrowser.
You don't have to installanything on your computer to use
that software.
(07:19):
So they are heavily dependenton what's going on in the
browser and browsers get updatedregularly.
Again, this isn't our business,so it's just a bit of
speculation, but browsers getupdated regularly.
Lots of people run differentversions of browsers.
We can put two computers sideby side that are both completely
up to date and you might seethe browser version is just
different by, like, some tinylittle number at the end of a
very long string.
Yeah, and these softwares areutilizing that to do all this
(07:42):
recording, plus the local stuff,plus the syncing of the files
at the end of the day, and Ifeel like it's just I don't know
more fragile I think is the wayI'm thinking about it than it
probably should be for softwarethat costs $30 a month.
You know, professional,whatever they say, studio
quality recording for remotepodcast interviews.
That's how this stuff's allbeing sold, but I don't think it
is that.
(08:03):
I think it's I don't know notas reliable as it should be.
Jordan (08:06):
Yeah, I will say you know.
I mean we use Riverside forBuzzcast and I'm just so
confused by it and, like I'vesaid before, I'm not technically
minded and so they recordlocally and then it uploads to
the browser when it's complete.
But the thing is is like almostevery single episode we record.
If we talk over each otherwhich we do a lot the other
(08:30):
person who is either like startstalking, or the person who's
currently talking while someoneelse starts talking, their audio
gets garbled and distorted.
Else starts talking, theiraudio gets garbled and distorted
.
And so there's so many ends ofsentences or something like that
that I have to cut out everysingle episode because it gets
garbled.
And it's such a weird thingthat's been happening and it's
(08:51):
been happening for, like I don'tknow, over a year, maybe two
years, like a long time.
But I just accepted that thatis the flaw with recording
remotely.
Alban (09:00):
Why is that?
Because if it's recording itremotely, it shouldn't really
matter if it's uploaded later on.
Like what does the garblingcome?
Jordan (09:07):
from See.
That's what doesn't make senseto me.
Kevin (09:09):
Yeah, it absolutely should not.
Jordan (09:11):
And my audio shouldn't be affecting your audio, kevin.
No, it just doesn't make anysense and we lag because we're
so far, like I'm, in acompletely different side of the
country and so, yeah, sometimesthere's a lag and sometimes I
will start talking because Ithink one of you guys aren't
talking, and then I'll realizeand I'll stop, and then the
first part of whatever you'retrying to say is completely like
messed up.
Alban (09:31):
Yeah, so that's like a speed of light issue, right.
Kevin (09:35):
Yeah, not really.
I know what you're saying, butit's not really a speed of light
issue, it is an internettraffic issue.
Yeah, it is latency.
There's going to be somelatency.
Right, there will be some.
I think clean feed is thesoftware solution that's done
the best in terms of low latency, remote recording and because
their focus has been there, theyhave become the solution for a
(09:57):
lot of like Hollywood studios, alot of symphonies, a lot of
musicians use them, becausemusicians have to be like if I'm
playing bass on a track andyou're playing drums on a track
and Jordan's playing guitar, ona track it's one of the main use
cases.
I didn't know that is that theyare really good at low latency
recording so that you come in atexactly the right time and so
(10:17):
you can hear the drums playingand you know when to come in,
and so that's less important inpodcasting.
But if latency is extremelyhigh, that it does become a
problem because there's awkwardpauses or something like that.
The conversation doesn't flowas naturally as it should be.
So clean feed could be a goodsolution for the latency issue,
but clean feed doesn't offervideo and, like for Buzzcast, we
(10:38):
don't need video, but we dolike to see each other when
we're recording.
We don't need the videorecorded, but we do like to see
each other, because there'stimes we'll give each other hand
signals, like you know, up yourenergy level, like you're
saying good stuff, but we needto do this to each other all the
time.
Alban (10:51):
That's like the most common hand signal, actually,
that Kevin gives out.
Kevin (10:55):
Right or once in a while.
One of us will do a.
Jordan (10:58):
Alvin just.
Alban (10:59):
Here's the issues with in-person recordings In the
studio.
I bumped into a table behind meand knocked over four podcast
microphones.
Jordan (11:08):
How much money is that on the floor right now?
Alban (11:12):
This is a lot.
This is a Rode Broadcaster, aPR 40, and a Rode PodMic.
Kevin (11:20):
Okay, okay, hey, let's put this stuff aside.
Let's get back on topic.
Jordan (11:24):
All right, here we go, all right.
Kevin (11:27):
So the question I'm posing to anybody who's
listening, who works in thepodcast world, is is why are we
doing things this way?
Like Adobe podcasts right,adobe, huge company, infinite
number of like technicalresources right, adobe, huge
company, infinite number of liketechnical resources?
Why are you still deciding torely on a browser as the main,
like powerhouse engine drivingyour podcast recording solution?
(11:48):
Why are we not just you knowdelivering a like installable
chunk of software, like Zoom isdone, that just becomes really
reliable and does what it'ssupposed to do Does local
recording and syncs it up afterthe recording is done, like
uploads it to a place thatwhoever's going to edit that
episode can download it?
I don't understand it.
Again, going back to thewedding photographer analogy,
(12:08):
it's pretty high stakes.
Why are we building businessesthat are dependent upon browsers
that get updated, sometimesmultiple times a day and could
change at any given moment andcould break?
Alban (12:17):
your software.
My guess is the browsers aremore platform agnostic or closer
to being platform agnostic.
If you're trying to do aniPhone app, an Android app, a
bunch of different PC apps, abunch of Mac apps, a bunch of
like random Linux apps andyou're, like Chrome's, already
figured out how to get installedon all of those and it will
(12:38):
pretty much give me the samecapabilities across the board,
I'll take consistency and evenif I lose a little couple of
nines of reliability, but what Idon't want to have to do is try
to build custom apps for all ofthem.
I mean, I feel like Zoom didthat for video recordings.
Zoom became the best video likesoftware to talk to people, but
(12:59):
then they added so manyfeatures that the product
degraded and now it's like Ifeel like I use it way less and
said now I use Whereby, which isin the browser?
I don't know, but I imaginethat's probably the reason,
right yeah?
Kevin (13:12):
I mean we see a lot of discussions around this topic in
the Facebook community that werun for Buzzsprout and it seems
like this is not a problemthat's unique.
I don't want anybody to feellike we're harping on Riverside.
Riverside is the tool that weuse currently to record Buzzcast
and we do consistently run intoaudio issues, which doesn't
make sense because it's supposedto be local recordings.
(13:33):
There should not be likedigital audio artifacts unless
one of our computers happened tobe like slow or out of date or
whatever and the computer gotbogged down and caused some sort
of digital artifact.
But that's not the case.
We run very high end computers.
They're all brand new.
We're not running anything elsewhile we're recording.
Yeah, all the Jordan like wejust talked about this before we
(13:53):
recorded last time shecompletely reboots her computer
before we record.
Like we do all this stuff andwe still have these problems.
And we also see in our Facebookcommunity that people who run
squad cast have these problemsand we tried a test episode on
Adobe podcast and we ran into alittle issue and like we haven't
tried clean feed Cause again,clean feed doesn't have the
video side and we like to seeeach other.
But are we the only ones whoare having this problem?
No other people on our Facebookgroup are.
(14:15):
So what is the solution?
I don't know, besides flyingJordan into the office which has
its own set of problems, likeAlbin bumping into a bookshelf
and knocking over all themicrophones, all right.
So there's the mystery.
I don't know that we have asolution, but I think it's a
good opportunity to open it upto feedback from anybody who's
listening.
If anybody from Riverside islistening and you can explain
(14:37):
some of this, like drop us acomment, like maybe we can have
you on the show to talk aboutwhat are the challenges involved
.
If anybody from Adobe podcastsor clean feed or anybody who
wants to come on, I'm sure ouraudience would love to hear.
And if you're a podcaster andyou found a solution that really
works well for you and you loveit and you never switch and you
never run into problems, let usknow about that.
Absolutely, maybe we need totry something different.
Yeah, do it or try it.
Try something different.
Alban (14:57):
Yeah, this is definitely a problem that you have for any
feature launch is that thepeople who talk about it are the
people who something broke, andfor the person who's like, wow,
everything went smoothly andeasily, I'm so happy.
They're always the ones who goon and move on with their life
and do something else, right.
So we're the complainers todaybecause we've had a couple of
bad recordings in a row.
Jordan (15:16):
That's true.
That's all right, though.
Tap the Texas Show link in theshow notes to send in your
responses and we will have youon the podcast, or you can give
us some recommendations anduntil next time, keep podcasting
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