Brian Jacklin was awarded The Navy Cross one medal behind the Medal of Honor.

Brian Jacklin, Served 20 years in the USMC in Infantry, Recon, Special Operations with the Marine Raiders). Was awarded The Navy Cross (one medal behind the medal of honor) for extraordinary heroism during operations in the Helmand Province, Afghanistan. Brian is Working on a nonprofit, Battle Brothers Foundation and learning more about the cannabis space working with the Helmand Valley Growers Company

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these guys, and there's two of them. They're both Brian's
but Brian Buckley, who has been our brother from another
mother forever. Thank you Brian for coming back into the
rooms from the Hellman Valley Growers Company. You bring a
gentleman with you that It's so funny because in my book,
with you, you don't just give props to dudes that

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did anybody period. You're not the guy that like, oh,
this guy is a badass of this and that. And
in my book, like I've told people, if you have
ever heard the podcast when I first sat down with
Brian Buckley Blue, you missed that podcast because I'll never
forget it because it stood out of my head so
much when I fell in love with this man. Yeah,
I literally fell in love with Brian Buckley literally and
and I have him in my phone. Is badass. And

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now Brian brings a guy that he's claiming to be
a badass. So when you're badass tells you this guy
is a badass. That's what it's like, folks, you know
what I'm saying. So I imagine Spider Man, if Spider
Manager Hero or Supermanager Hero, and they go, no, this
guy's the guy. Well mine was ice Cube from Boys
in the Hood exactly says like, hey, I got a

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guy for you, Like that's who's here for this, and
so for me. When Brian Buckley goes Joe, we gotta
get Brian Jacqueline in here, I'm like, why he's like,
he served twenty years in the U s m c.
Infantry recon he's a specialist operations with the Marine Raiders,
which he was a Marine Raider as well. Was awarded
the Navy Cross right, which is one medal behind the

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Medal of Honor, which that alone, dude, is just as
crazy as it gets right there, right, So imagine somebody
getting the biggest trophy in Hollywood and our runner up
at this or the you know, the the goal, not
the gold, but the the one right next to it whatever, right,
you're just one right behind. So that's in war right
there for extraordinary heroisms during operations in the Hellman Providence.

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I read the story. I want you to tell the story,
because that story is fucking crazy. That you went through
in Afghanistan. When I read that story, by the way,
it gave me chills dog to just know what you're
going through, and I almost want to we'll get to it.
I want to pick your brain about that. But Brian
is working on a nonprofit which is Battle Brothers Foundation
and learning more about the cannabis space, working with the

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Helm and Valley Growers Company, and of course our guy,
Brian Buckley boughtom here. You can check out the website
hv g C Company dot com. On Instagram, Brian Jackline
is at B Jacqueline seventy two. That's B G J
A C K L I N seventy two. Let's give
it up, you guys for these two veterans for what
they've done for our country and how they say or

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serve the Navy in our Marine Raiders. Brian Jacqueline, thank you?
Or did I miss anything else? Brian Buckley that you
want to introduce him as well? I think one thing
I would be really interesting to talk about the time
might beat him in a fight. So that's a really
great story. Well, I mean it happened reality. Basically, it
showed up at a first rate of Battalion it was

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like a jail house, right, We're ready getting like yeah,
we're getting ready to go into CQB, like our weapons
and tactics phase, and we're doing this thing called ramming
where we had to put our hands behind our back
and go head to head and start pushing each other around.
So I'm like, listen, I need to find the biggest
guy everything. So it's like you know, the jail house, right,
you got go after the biggest guy to kind of
make your points. So I'm like you and me, let's go,

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and he's like, you want some of this? And I'm like,
did you know his name was Brian at the time? No, No,
I didn't really care at that point. It ran and
Brian going to that one. Let's go back to that. Then.
How did you guys meet? Was that how you met?
Pretty much? I remember kind of differently. So the first
time we met was a, uh, we're great in a

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training exercise for Marine Special Operations and uh, you know,
we're done with all the actual work, which anyone who's
been in the military out there knows that when you
get done with the work, you start the party. And
so we did. We started the party and next I know,
Brian's drawing, you know, you know, mustaches on somebody who
has passed out. He think it's funny. I think it's funny.
We're running around and then I find out he's a captain.
I'm like, holy ship, that guys a charge of us.

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But Ustache, he's a band of the people. Yeah. So
when you did meet him, you've realized, Okay, this guy
is in charge of us? And then no, no, was
it good? Was it bad? How was he as a leader? No,
he's fantastic. Uh. I mean we we've known each other
for I don't know, yeah, over ten years now, over
ten years. The good The thing about Brian what I

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respected about his leadership was that he's a common sense guy.
You know, like we all know when we come into work, uh,
you know, we put our uniforms on, we put our
ranks on, and we call each other buy our ranks.
But outside the work, it's just Buck and everyone kne
him his Buck, and he knew me as Jack or
b Jack or whatever you call me. But when we
come to work, we strap it on. And that's kind
of like I'd say, the difference with Special Operations how
we work is like, you know, you have a higher

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level of guy or a guy that's been around longer,
has a little bit more professionalism, uh in terms of
you know, just just common sense seniority, like he knows
how to draw better mustaches take greatly. But I think
what you're saying is is, you know, on the field,
you know, he's the supervisor. Off the field, he's your bro,
you know what I mean, which is awesome because I'm

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sure that a lot of your you know, sergeants, lieutenants
or you know, people don't even hang out with you,
or if they do, they just make sure that you
know that the whole time. There that level of you know,
which I could respect. I mean, you know, hey, we're
we're at work. You know, I think that we we
don't treat each other outside of work, you know, unless
it has to pertain to work all of a sudden,
you know, like, hey follow my lead, you know. But

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if it's not, then you you be normal. And I
like that. That's that's that shows a lot of character
about you, be Buck, you know. The Yeah. So so
the thing is, I mean I came, I came from
the infantry. I got a regular I was a regular
infantryman when I came to the Marine Corps and uh,
you know a captain in the Marine Corps when you're
like a private to a corporal sergeant or whatever. I mean,

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he's like two steps under Jesus Christ. You just stayed
the funk away from me, because uh, there's nothing good
comes from guys with bars on their shoulders. Accept working
parties and you know they they'll task you out, they
find you so uh, you know, we used to we
used to use a term when I was a ground
called like skate you know, seek cover, keep out of
plane view, avoid all higher ups, take donitiative and escape
debated necessary. So you know, we're just young guys, just

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just just trying to get by in the Marine Corps.
But then you know, the Marine Special Operations really teaches
you know, that camaraderie, professionalism and uh and that camarade
that we have between he and I. Um, you know
it transpires to you know, to the battlefield where like
I back him up and he backs us up. We
trust each other. Which when when when you're working in
these small teams and then you know, severely austere environments

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with little to know. I mean it's it's you know,
ten ten guys like ninety Afghans and when you're going
into like the hornetsness and you're really the only guys
you could count on is your your your Marine brothers
to your left and right, and you other certain U
S servicemen as well that we're out there sporting us.
But yeah, we just we live and died together and
to this day I still trust we keep it constant

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contact and know it doesn't end when you leave the
Marine Corps. Right. No, it's a brotherhood from well and
not only a brotherhood, but you guys are a unique brotherhood,
the Marine Raiders. How did you find out, Brian about
the Marine Raiders Because a lot of people we just
had another podcast a gentleman that was training with Navy
seals and this and that, and for those who are
just listening to this for the first time, Ay, how

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did you find out about it? And what is the
difference between you guys and a Navy seal, well, Navy
seals and so that the Navy has the seals, Marines
have the Raiders, Army has green berets, Air Force has
CCT and pair of rescue u we're considered white soft.
We're like Tier three soft, you know, Tier two would
be like say Army Rangers who are in direct support
of a Tier one asset and being like, you know,

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uh the President, like you know, like the cag or
or or Team six like your team. Yeah. So, uh so,
you know we're we're tier three, but that doesn't mean
we're not getting out there and getting after it. I
mean the majority of the special operations are tier three guys.
And um they started Barstock at two thousand and six.
Donald Rumsfield said, I want a special operations component to

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the Marine Corps, which I had been offered years before.
But the Marine Corps being the Marine Corps, like we're
already special operations. Every bring is a special operations guy,
which is, you know, not true. Uh So when I
came in the Marine Corps, came in the infantry, man,
I was at three eleven and about halfway halfway through
my school of Infantry, they told me I was gonna
be an O three thirteen and I'm like, well, what

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is that? Like You're gonna drive those like armored vehicles
out there you see rolling around and I don't want
to do that, Like I don't care what you want
to do. Like you're in the Marine Corps. Yeah, I mean,
they used more choice language, but we don't give we
don't care what you think you're gonna do this. So
I went to them, went to the grunts, and uh,
you know, it was very You know, the grunts is good.

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The Marine Corps is effective because they have guys that
you know, if you get in order, you just executed faithfully.
That like, that's how the Marine Corps has remained at
the top of the military spectrum across the world. But
for me, I tuned into like eating soup with a fork.
You know. If I was like, hey, Blue, here's a
bowl of soup. Why don't you go ahead and eat that?
Four years, I got a spoon in my pocket and
I don't care if you guys spot you eat it

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with a fork, Like I told you, enjoy it when
people fun with you more. Because you're such a big
dude here about what six five to eighty. I mean,
you're you know, you're a good size dude. Yeah, yeah,
I know. I I definitely took a lot of took
a lot of ship for being a big guy, especially
you don't win. But again it's a military bearing. Like
as a young Marine, I got a sergeant screaming up

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at me, you know, like a five five or four
sergeant like a shoe with a little Brian Buckley looking
up at you like that. This guy is a lot
bigger than Yeah. I wear lifts. I mean you got
I got the striped. Some motherfucker's the end of the
day five two and a half. When he when he

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puts his boots on, I think he has what'd you
say down there? Brian? I can't hear you, all right? Guy?
So when I was in Iraq, I came in at
the at the tail and the invasion, oh three, we're
down in southern Iraq with I was with the Marine
Expositionary Unit. I was with first Line arm Reconstant at
the time. And I saw these guys and they had

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like long hair and tattoos and you know they're jacked,
and they had like all the cool guns and I,
you know, wanted to have in my life. And I
was like, who are those guys? Are? Those are recom guys.
Don't go talk to him, though, I was like, well,
I'm gonna go talk to him, like so I go
over like like a puppy. I was like, hey, like
how do I get over here? And they're like, get
out of here, I don't want to talk to you,
but I was persistent. I was like, I want to
come in. I want to come in. I want to

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go recom and uh and finally they gave me my shot,
and so me and another one my buddies, this guy
Josh Negron. We uh we tried out together. You know,
I don't know, like eighty five guys classed up. Eight
of us made it. And uh, yeah that's my that's
my family name. That's kid him. Yeah, yeah, we call

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him to Grant since now yeah, is he Puerto Rican? Yeah?
I think I think so. Yeah, it's probably Puerto Rican cat. Right.
How hard was it? Obviously eight out of eight something past?
I mean, was it just one of the hardest things
you ever ready to do? Absolutely? I mean back in
those days there was a lot less oversight in like
the physical training regiments they gave us. So they do

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a lot of cookie cutting. Oh, everyone's watching there. Yeah,
everyone has emotions. Yeah, in the Navy guys, especially the
Navy guys. That's why always say what's between you and
the Seals. I'm like, we're the same, but we're naturally
better looking. I mean, well, our big requirements as a raider,
you know, but now everybody's sensitive. Yeah there was. There

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was no like stress cards are getting triggered. Back then,
it was like you know your triggered stress cards. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like a attrition is the mission. If you're still
here at the end, maybe we'll let you in. So
so I just I went there and I gave it
everything I had, and luckily I was fortunate enough to
make it. And then uh, then I went into the teams,

(12:58):
and you know, it's like starting over again. When you
get to the infantry or whatever unit in the Marine Corps.
You come in, you're like, hey, guys, alright, we're all Marines, right, yeah, cool,
and they're like, no, shut up, boot, Like you're a
new guy. Yeah, you're taking off the trash rookie year again. Yeah,
it's like being a propriate. You're just getting just like
Diego or a new interns. Shut up, diego your first day.

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Give me some more water for these guys. I don't
know why you're smiling, Diego. Yeahgo not heard yet. Secure
still in your first week. It's gonna be his first month.
So so it was I was like, so finally I
was you know, I was I was corporal in the
Marine Corps. I was, And that's a big deal when
you're in the Marine Corps making four or corporates because
you're finally like officially in charge people. And uh and

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then when I went to recon, I was like, oh,
I finally I made recon like shut up and tape
the wires down the floor, take off the trash, like,
don't speak, let's spoken to and you already made it
so to speak. Yeah, and I like, dude, I just
went through like hell and back to like get here
and almost killed myself trying to be one of you
guys out a boot more. I mean, but I think
I went in the recon trary and I was like
two forty pounds. I was six four to forty. I

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came out, I was like to ten and I was
like skinny fat, you know, because they you know, you're
just running everywhere. You're not really your nutrition level at
that time wasn't really good. You're just you're stuffing whatever
you could in your face. When the five minutes they
gave you to each old before you had like the
next training evolution. So uh yeah, I mean it was
it was hard, but I'm glad I did it because
what I did in that time really set the stage

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for the rest of my life. You know. The recon creed,
you know, like the the ethos at the Marine Reconstance
Community teaches you as an operator, it transpires to anything
in life, you know, And it's about dedication, it's about
it's about showing up and showing up ready to go
whatever it is you're doing, whether it's business or your family.
You know, you do what you say you're gonna do,
and you never quit. Like to quit us to surrender
and fail, and you can't do that. And so you

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know you're moving forward in the Marstok times. You know
that when two thousand six came and Donald Rumsfield said, Hey,
I want to stand up a special operatures coloned at
the Marine Corps. Uh, they They're like, well, with who
you we gotta we gotta stand we have we have
to put boots on the deck to stand up this unit.
And so they said, okay, we're gonna do like an
NFL draft of all the recon guys and we're gonna
stand up Barstock. And again, luckily I had I had

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some senior guys who had taken notice of me and
said I want him over there. So they pulled me
into the UH. I did come in the initial wave.
I came in the second wave. I came in two
thousand seven to Marsk And once I got there, I mean,
it was just like a whole new world open up.
Because the Marine Corps is notoriously good at doing more
with less. I mean they just like, you don't have
you don't have a lot of money in the Marine Corps.
You gotta make good with what you got. And then

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you come into like so common and you have this
wide array of schools and gear and and just money
thrown at you for you to make you the best
to operate at that level. And so I showed up
and the like hey, like you want like here's these knives,
and here's like a gilly suit, and here's here's all
this like cool guy gear. And oh, by the way,
you're gonna be like we're just gonna school you up,
meaning that we're gonna send you like, you know, Joint

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Terminal Attack Shore course. So we're sitting to sniper school
and we're sending you like boom ba boom blah boom
just down the road, you know, down the line. And
so if you the way that deployment goes. You have
you have a two year rotation. You go six months
on deployment, you have eighteen months back. The first six
months you have back is used strictly for schools and
an enhancement of your capabilities, and they max you out.
I mean after my first marriage and I'm on my

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third marriage now because I'm you know, I'm a romantic,
uh my first yeah, yeah, yeah, we really didn't know
in the military. We're still feeling it right now. I'm
feeling I feel it every month on the first and
the fifteen. But but yeah, no, it was it was

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just it was. It was a great time because you know,
we're at in an active war with Iraq and Afghanistan.
They're really putting a lot of time and money into
every one of the guys to make sure we're operating
at the best. And everyone knew that the stakes, you know,
you knew that this is serious. Like if you go
over there and you if you screw up, it's your
life or it's your legs or you know, like you're
gonna get you're gonna get hurt, or you get get

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someone else hurt, which is even worse. Right, if I
get killed, it's my own fault whatever. But if I
get him killed, then then I gotta live with that.
And I'm not cool with that part about it. You
know that there's something there when you when you think about,
you know, someone having your back. And we were talking
to a firefighter a couple of shows going. He's just like,
you know, and I go into a flame, you know,

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I might be the first guy in, but I know
water is coming in thirty seconds. They told me, you
got one minute. Whatever, I'm in there for one minute.
I know fire that the water is coming in one minute,
you know, and you and and he's and he said
a lot of times, you know, you might have a
fight with that guy because you're you know, you're arguing
with them inside. You're you know, at your home or
you you guys go to a bar together and then

(17:43):
you piste off each other. But when you go into
combat or you go into that that fire, you know,
it's it's uh, it's you gotta know they have your back.
And that's I think what the military, you know, has
taught you guys. Yeah, it's like you know, we were
talking about this recently, like how simple like combat us
for us and everyone kind of looks as weird, but
it's like it's watching that thing the Last Dance with

(18:04):
about the Chicago Bulls, and he talked about how like
Michael Jordan achieved like Zen Buddhism that Phil Jackson was
trying to put down there, like that was his magic
that he had, wasn't his talent. Michael Jordan's walking down
the hallway. He's thinking about, I'm just in the hallway.
I'm walking down here, like he would look at people
like why would I psych myself out about a shot
and never took And to think with the military, where
we're in combat, it doesn't matter what's going on back

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in America or anything like that. You got that all
taken care of. Yours focused on them now. I mean,
it's like, find some tax collectors coming after me. Here's
my tangent digit grid, Come come get me. Watch where
you step because you might blow up or something like that.
You're just in the moment dealing with it. It makes
it so simplistic and almost like like Zen, like peaceful
because that's all you gotta do. And there is like
some morbidity to it and all that stuff, but you're
just like, hey, we got a job to do. We're

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all professionals. Let's go out and get it. And it's
just a really kind of peaceful area. And that's what
we try to teach people, like working, just focus on
the now where you are, be present, don't worry about
the other outside bullshit, which is really hard to do.
It's really hard. It's it's it's I again, I say
it all the time. Is stay on the path, dude,
stay on the path. Like a lot of people they
these guys have to do that. And you asked someone

(19:07):
that hit a pole right there, and they're like, well,
how do you know I hit the pole. It's the
last thing I saw, right, you know what I'm saying.
So what what you're telling me is is that you
were looking at the pole, because you weren't. You know,
you didn't just hit the pole and knock out. You know,
you were looking at the pole and that's where your
car went. And usually do the drunk driving or something
like that. But I think you know so many people

(19:29):
in business, you know, and and this relates in life,
and we're going down this path and and and you
could ask like a professional skier, dirt bike riders, race
car drivers, you know, all of them. Just keep you
don't take your head off the path. The moment you
take that one quick boom, you crash and and you
can die. And at that speed, you know you can die.

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But a lot of people, um, you know, are are
so conscious of like oh look at the shiny object
over here, that they don't never excel, their business never
really grows, you know, And so you know you have
to be on that path. And I think that's a
brilliant thing. Now real quick, I want to ask you, um,
you know, Brian not Buckley, but Brian Jackson, Jacqueline Jacqueline

(20:10):
jack Land, Um, what what tell us take us down
the journey? You know when you were in the core
and you know there was you're seeing some like you know,
some crazy something that we got the Navy Cross. Yeah,
we got that Navy Cross. This is the biggest award
you could damn your gift. When we come back from

(20:32):
this break, it's kind of a stock one a moment.
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know how to treat it, ladies. I want the Brian
submarine sandwich. Please order whatever for me. The Marines give

(21:45):
me those Marie Waters. We went to break Blue ass
a good story and we want the big story which
I read some of and I know Blue didn't get
the chance to read it. But you're one ranking away
from the Medal of Honor, the Navy Cross you received that.
Explain to the listeners what that was and how you
received that. Well, I mean to start off, I mean,

(22:07):
you get those kind of awards when everything goes wrong,
you know, like I don't know how many times we've
gone out on missions. Everything goes flawlessly. You know, we
eliminate all the enemy and that we have to eliminate,
bring everyone back home safely, and it's just a good job.
You know, go get some shower, keeps your gear ready,
you know, get back in, let's start planning the next one.
It's what everything goes wrong that people take notice and

(22:27):
then you know, these awards come out and and I
would give it back in a heartbeat if it meant that,
you know, the things that happened that they didn't happen,
because what the the instate of it is. You know,
my uh, my captain, my team commander, Derek Carrer, he's
he's now paralyzed from the waist down and uh and
another guy, Ricky Brier was shot through the neck and
you know he's he's good now. It's like the million

(22:50):
dollar wound. Took one in the neck and he's good. Yeah.
So we're I mean the story, we're we're at a
village stability platform and uh in the helmet vow and
we were going out. We we had word that the
enemy was you're moving north to south along the eastern
side of the Helm and River Afghanistan. Okay. Uh So

(23:11):
we accorded with a Green Bret team who was you know,
down to our south, and we we coordinated an ambush.
We were gonna take the northern position and they're gonna
take you know, the south into the to the east
and you know the acessarily the rivers to the west. Anyways,
you get it like we're we're boxing these guys and
we're gonna we're gonna take them out when they come through.
Uh So, we we we move out by night. And

(23:32):
I mean the mud over there, I mean it's like
we called peanut butter mud. I mean it just MUD's
up to your nuts and you're you're having a like
walk with eight hundred pounds of gear plus through the mud,
you know, for kilometers to get where you're going. So
by the time you get there, you're smoked. H We
hardened the compound. Compound being it's it's like a bunch
of mud. It's a couple of mud buildings surrounded by
a big mud wall, probably been there since the days
of Alexander the Great. So we go and we take

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our position. And in the morning the Green Brats were
moving into uh really to to go hold our our
southern and our west correction eastern flank and set an
ambush on these guys. They hit an iv D, so
they hit an i D, killed a couple of other
Afghan counterparts, and then their Afghans didn't want to play anymore,
and they said, hey, we're done with this. You know,

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the Afghans refused to go. Well by law, by the rules,
were required to operate over there. If you don't have
a partner nation force, you can't leave the wire, you
can't leave your your base. So they had to go back.
So now we're alone, unafraid, and yeah, we're two kilometers
out from where too, you know, two clicks tw klombers,
two thousands away from our main base where we were at,
but it might as well have been twenty miles because

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like when the sun comes up, we turned into pumpkins,
you know, like if you move across these open, open
train features where we were at, I mean, you're just
gonna get in all kinds of ship. Yeah, so we
uh so we diversified our our our positions. We we
we put a couple of submentary positions in there to
kind of form a triangle to defend ourselves against any

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you know, the on slot that was about to come.
And then you know, the Afghans knew that we're out there.
The Taliban knew that we're out They started sending probes
and finally started getting closer, closer, closer. At some point
you gotta take action. You know, we're trying to hide
out from them. They got too close. So we we
smoked a couple of other guys and then the game's
on and uh, but the I was up on the

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rooftop and um, the captain said, uh, hey, I want
you to, you know, jump down here man the radio.
I want to go go up on the move and
take a look. So he jumps up there with Brier
and uh, you know, they're identifying worse. Some minimeter are
moving around us to envelop our position, and uh, you know,
it just so happens like the Taliban started. You know,
they identified where we were and they just shot it

(25:37):
on alot of bullets through the right K forty seven
and one of the bullets went through Brier's neck and
into the Captain's back. So now we've got two guys
down here, both where I've been. Yeah, literally, probably like
thirty seconds before that, I hopped off. I hopped off
the group. And then and then then, you know, we
call it the popcorn machine because when the bullets come

(25:57):
close to you, they snap, you know, so the snap, crackle, pop,
like the bullets coming in started happening. And then, uh,
you know, I'm calling the troops in contact over the radio,
and I hadn't realized that our guys have been hit.
And then you know, the other guys with the team
identified it, and now you know it's you know, it's
a serious, very serious situation. So they pulled them off

(26:18):
the roof. Was serious situation before and they Yeah, but
when he says those words like troops in contact, that's
like a really powerful meaning over the radio. That means
we are pinned down and we're about to be overran.
So every free aircraft in Afghanistan will just turn in
boogie to your area to help us out, because your
religous basically saying like broken arrow, we're going down. Yeah,

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we got we're it's bad, Captain shot what happened. So
so the guys are administering aid to the captain and
Sergeant Brier. Uh. And we started making a plan. But
you've gotta understand, now the gig is up. They know
where we're at, and they've been circled us. So the
only feasible landing zone was to our just immediately to

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our east. Uh in this open field. Uh. There's one
doorway in and out of the compound, but surely they
got machine guns on that doorway, you know, waiting for
us to come out of and gun us down. Uh.
So once we had aircraft on station, and that I
called in the METAVAC medical evacuation or CAZOVAC, I should
say casually evacuation over the over satellite communications. Birds are
in bound to pick us up. And they got they

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got a Cobra, a four ship of two Cobra helicopters
and two Huee helicopters. Uh to to give the gunship
support to these helicopters. They call us there, you know,
five minutes out. So we start making our plans. We
put a wall charge, so we make these charges that
will blow down these these mud walls. Put a wall
charge on the wall to make our own door. Because
you know, now we're using a little bit of decepters.
We've got a smoke grenades out. But I tell you, like,

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the one of the proudest moments in my career was
was that day at that time, not because anything that
I did, but because, like you know, I had a
we had a huddle with with all the guys that said, hey, look,
this is a really bad situation, but we gotta make
like I'm not cool with stepchare I'm not I'm not
okay with letting these guys die here. We gotta make
a run for and try and get on the bird
and yeah, anyone have a problem with it, and to

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the last man, and we had one guy with us.
It was very first patrol ever. Yeah you're talking about
welcome baptism of fire, you know. So and everyone was
like it was like it, let's roll and and that
that level of commitment, commitment and the stoicism which with
which they said it it really it's is. I mean,

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it's still today gives me like chills to think about.
And so so birds are you know, two minutes out
we blow the wall smoker dats out, So we're covering
the LZ with smoke too, you know, obvious, Kate, our
movement out there. They're still gonna shoot at the smoke,
but they don't see hopefully don't see us exactly where
we're at. So they're just taking unnamed fire, you know,
just shooting into the wall whatever they're shooting in the smoke,

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hoping to hit us, right, So so it blow the
wall and we're we timed it to where as the
hell comes on final blow the wall. We go out
and and you'll four of us were out there, you know,
we're moving and shooting, lay down cover fire and then
the other guys were carrying stretchers, including our Afghans they
were they were holding the guys on stretchers two and
then running them out there. But yeah, we just ran

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out into you know, probably the craziest fire that I've
ever experienced. And I mean I've experienced a lot, and
uh yeah, I mean it was it was, yeah, and
it was seriously, I mean it's I don't until this day,
I have no idea how no, no, no, no one's
hit and why last order before we left was well
two orders. I told my j Tack like type three

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control authorized all three lines around us. Type three meaning
like you're giving them. Your the order to shoot these
tree lines with machine guns, with the helicopters guns and
rockets until they went you know, I said type three
control authorized until Winchester. So I gave him the order,
and I told the guys like, if you get hit
on the way to the bird, get on the bird.
Will figure it out afterwards, you know, because we get
one shot with this that if you if you get hit,

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we come back to the compound, then I gotta evacuate
after that. We're not gonna get away with it twice.
So one shot. So we we go out there, we
fight our way out to the LZ and you know
in the helicopters landing zone land zone for the hell cover.
Then the helicopter gunships are smell. They're literally go to
the spring and everything they got on the tree lines

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around us to keep the enemy at bay while we're
trying to get evac the meta back platform, which is
another set of to uh one Huey's no, I'm sorry
black Hawks whenever they were uh you know, they actually
got shot up coming in so they got shopped so
much they had to wave off. So we're out there
like basic. Now we're just like guys were like laying
on top of our patients, you know, shielding them from
the fire. We're just I mean we're just grabbing dirt

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and shooting and praying for the best. Uh. Helicopters swinging
back around. Uh they actually land put the guys on
the bird. It's somehow. We we fight our way back
getting the compound. We're all like running real low on
animal at this point, because I mean, yeah, I mean
I think every man went out with ten mags, but
you you don't. You got five mags on you and
you've got five mags in your daypack, which we left
in the compound. So we were like ran, we blew

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all ramma on that and went back to the compound.
Um you know, like basically we stopped our mags expeditiously
and then uh and then the fight was on from
us today. So the rest of the day we're just
you know taking indirect fire. Um calling in uh linear sheets,
meaning like I'm giving like a direction and a distance
and on off a known point of calling our torytory,

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but mortar fire all these reelines. So so understand Afghanistan.
That Helmet valley, it's like trench warfare. You have tree
lines that are irrigation canals for the farming fields, and
that's what the enemy moves through because if you move
out in the open, we're just gonna kill him, right
and same with them to us. So it's really like
kind of trench warfare. So we're smashing these tree lines
with with mortar fire. I'm bringing in an aircraft and

(31:39):
hitting them or my JA tack is and uh yeah,
it was like that all day. End up dropping a
couple of compounds, meaning like to drop bombs on these
compounds because they're they're lobbying underslung grenades off their a
K forty seven. They shoot a grenade and it's coming
into our compound and hitting inside. So it's only a
matter of time to one of those things gets sucky,
it takes hits one of our guys, and now we're

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in the same situation we're just in which we barely
made it out of. I can't have that, so I
get the opthormization dropped the compounds. We dropped them. Uh,
but what happened was after we dropped those compounds, no
one knew, including the Special Operative Task Force, that earlier
that day the agreement had been made with cars I
the president of Afghanistan that we weren't going at the U.
S Force, that weren't going to blow up anymore compounds

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in his country. So now like we've just violated like
an international like strategic agreement with the US. And yeah,
I'll ask for forgiveness. Let's see, they're attacking us and
we need to get out of this situation. And then
so so following that, we fought it out all day

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and uh at nighttime they're well during the day they're like, hey,
we want to do a battle damage assessment. And what
that means is since we blow up these compounds, are like, hey,
we make sure there's no civilians in those compounds. Like
I know there's no civilis in this compounds because this
is my third tour over here. I know how it goes.
When the firefights about that happened. All the locals, it's
like a Western They just run for the hills and
the only people left in the area are the guys

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who want to fight. So uh and we and we
had you know, I s Hart. We we could see
what the airplanes see and we saw like the enemy
fighters and the compounds with guns and everything, and there
was no one else in there, no kids or anything,
so we knew were like, I'm confidents, no one in
there that didn't need to die. But still, you know,
politics being the way they are, someone has to go
check that out. So knock knock, you check that out,

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an every just want to check on trying to do
what test here. I would imagine my conversations, you know,
with with the different commanders, like hey, we want a
battle damage assessment of those compounds. Like what the funk
are you talking about? There is no more compounds. This
is just a pole reubble out there, and like like
dig through the rubble and trying to find bodies in

(33:49):
the middle of the daytime when there's like enemy everywhere,
like you're out of your mind and it happens not
going down, and on my way aggressively telling them, no,
this ain't going down. Yeah we we We had some uh,
I had some choice words and conversations, but you know,
our commanders back to us up. They really did. They
backed us up. And uh, just the miilitary being what

(34:10):
it is, the higher entity came in said like no,
you will do this. Actually, we're gonna extract your team.
We're gonna put in a team of seals because we
don't trust you now to do this battle damage assessment
because you've been you know, not not wanting to do it.
So they thought we were gonna lie to them. So
I send in a group of seals out of Candahar,
completely different area of operations. Uh different. It's just it's

(34:30):
like it's like oil. I don't peanut butter and jelly man,
it's this. This is not the same, you know, two different,
two different substances altogether. And these guys came in great guys. Uh.
But me and my my and my joint terminal attack
with the guy who controls bombs drop on the deck,
who had the most situational awareness of all where all
the enemy we're We're like where the movements? Where where
we killed them? You know, everything has gone on. I

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I made the call. I'm staying back. I'm gonna send
my guys back. They're flying on hellcopters and I put
my guys on the birds at nighttime, you know, undercover darkness.
Send my guys back, and I'm gonna stay here with
these seals because it's not right that these guys come
into an area of operations. It's not there. I have
no idea where what had happened that day with us
that you know where the gunfires coming from, where there's

(35:13):
just understand the terrain. I mean literally like not to
jump on your story. My team was supposed to come
in and help them out. So he was doing what
they call build stability platforms where they're all bearded up
dress and traditional dress, doing everything from setting up a
well to local police force and kind of give them
a chance to stand up on their feet and go fight.
We were the commando teams, so we would fly in
the helicopters mill of to night and go after high
value individuals. So when all this is going on, we're

(35:35):
tracking what's happened with Brian's team. We're at the hospital,
we're with the team commander and Ricky and all that stuff.
And I basically told my guys like, hey, I got
my cell phone. When they ready for us, just give
me a call. I'll meet you over at LZ Tombstone
where we take off from, and we're gonna go help
those guys out. And they literally said, if you put
Buckley's team in there, they're gonna cover for Jacqueline because
we know some ship happening there. And it's like you

(35:56):
motherfucker's and you sent in a sealed team from Kandahar.
The helmet was a whole different playground and you just
called and knew you knew it. Yeah, you don't come
there and just I mean I was talking to our
ops chief, a special Operation task for was OP chiefs,
and he's like, I'm literally on the phone with them
trying to give him a data dump, but what they're
about to go into. And I talked to that seal
team afterwards and they're like, dude, that's what you guys
deal with every day. I'm like, that's the helmet. They're like,

(36:17):
cheese us man. And that's where Dan Crenshall congress from
Dan Crenshall. You know he ate an I d lost
his eye. Who wow yeah, so so yeah, actually yeah,
Dan Crenshaw was one of the guys who seals that
came out. I didn't know it was Dann Crenshall all
the time and then he was just you know or whatever.
But you know, the Seal great guys. You know, they
came in, gave him the data dump. I mean, I

(36:40):
think me and uh, this guy Dave my j Tech
we had we hadn't slept in probably seventy two hours plus.
So it's like all right, well and they're like, hey,
get on your next you know, like after we told
him everything was going on, they came up with a
game plan and we went down our next. They wanted
to take over a compound to you know, to the east.
When you get on the neck, is that taking out? Yeah,

(37:00):
take a nabia. I assume everything, thank you. I just
want the listeners of like, get on your neck? What
does that mean? Okay, So, so they wanted to take
it on the compound to have an additional security position,
give us some some standoff from like the enemy fighters.
You know, you want to always have multiple positions, like

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you know, usually like a triangle, because that way if
they if they breach your lines, you still have like
you know, uh like an L shape on them. You
hit them from different angles with your gunfire. Uh. So
that they were ables to do that, you know, they
do that, those I D s and the compounds. But
they were taken in steps with their e O D technicians,
exposed for its disposal technicians and such to mitigate that.

(37:41):
It just so happened that, you know it it didn't work.
One of the Afghans stepped on a pressure play like
on an I D and it went off and it
wounded a couple of seals and one of them was
Dan Crenshaw. So now they're in the same situation that
we were in the day before. We need to get Yeah,
and I mean and and those guys, I mean to
their I mean, they fought their house off, and they

(38:02):
they did like the best immediate action I've ever seen.
And you got the guy on the chopper, you guys
on the chopper and got out, and we fought it
out the rest of the day. And then finally they
set the helicopters in for us and picked everyone up.
I don't know if we ever did a b d A.
I can't really remember battle damage assessment, remember the compounds
and started this whole mess. What you're supposed to be
doing now? Yeah, they're like, you know, check these compounds out.

(38:23):
And then I think even the seals were like, yeah,
they're out of I don't understand why this is fucking ridiculous,
and like, how are we going to get there? Yeah?
I mean spend again the juice worth the squeeze. What
are we going to spending underneath that? I mean, what
are we doing put you more at risk. You're you're
literally just going back to go get shot at again
and say there's nothing over there. If there is anything

(38:45):
over there's probably not something we want to like run into.
There's either I E. D s because there's like the
helmet valley. There's just I mean, there's there's ideas that
they've like recently placed in explosive improvised explosive devices to
usually get a pressure plate where you step on itway
I'm not gonna get a D. You have different exposed
devices there, something they put in recently as something that
they've been there just for for years, because like what

(39:07):
happens is the guys will put an I D. And
and then you'll kill that guy and then no one
else knows where it's at. So the Afghans, the Taliban
hit him too. All the time you'd be sitting there
eating chowel in between firefights, you hear like an explosion
like that's none of mar guys, and you hear them
over there. They always talk on these icon radios that
are like unencrypted radios, and you hear them like you know,
screaming and requests medical sport like these dumb suckers. Welcome

(39:32):
to love it. Yeah, yeah, welcome to the party. And
that's how the name of so that whole dance that
you guys did there, that's the name of your company,
and that's what you based everything off of them. Yeah,
I mean in a weird way. I mean what made
the Helman Valleys so big for the Talban was because
remember we're talking about the Holman River Valley and that's

(39:53):
where they would throw the poppy and they had cultivate
ind to heroin and then they would sell it in
tax and how Taliban filled during certainties. So we're basically
fighting opiates over there, and here we are now fighting
against opiates that we're dealing with here in America. They
are killing our men and women that serve our country.
That is crazy, weird and almost weird that that that
you know, it's what is used for recovery if you will,

(40:16):
you know. And I want to get into that after
this break went, and I want to hear you guys
this thought on on the opioids, because again you're over
there fighting that war for it and then but really
you're here actually giving it to us. It's almost like
weird oxymoron. It it's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll
be right back after the break. We'll be right back

(40:47):
to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis
Talk one oh one. You guys, you got the first
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attached to the Gridiron Grades, hosted by Jim McMahon at

(41:07):
the Anthem Country Club in Scottsdale, Arizona, February. Come and
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and everybody else is gonna be there too, so you'd
better come out there with us, Brian and Brian, I
want you guys to come out and you know, to

(41:28):
think that you're a disabled veteran, I mean, of course
you are, and to think that you use cannabis to
help you, of course you do. Hearing your story, just
imagine if that was real for us, right like Blue,
and I like imagine Blue right like I'm trying to
imagine that. And my next question of trying to imagine that,
as I know, I want you to talk about opioid

(41:50):
exist for both of you, guys, Brian and Brian, is
there anything in life that you've ever been through that's
fucking crazier? Because that just sounds as crazy as life gets.
Like you you're show and you're fucking hearing a blow
up boom that's not us, and you giggle about it. Right,

(42:10):
it's like I said, going back to where we were, like,
you're just in that moment, like we would even joke,
like we would be in the middle of right by
his buil stability platform and another marine raider villagsability platform
talband came and followed us. We beat the ship out
of them, and then you saw him split and beat
the ship out of him means kills him Like you
punch somebody in game, a black guy and the fucking
referee stopped. We probably smoke these guys. That's what I

(42:31):
mean as you listen to this and as literally and
that's why I love talking to you, because, like I've
told you from the jump, when you describe things, eliminate
and just beat them. And this is that folks, that
means killed. Was his eliminated when we destroyed them, that
means dead. Remember remember they came up with a like
a politically correct term for uh, for like clearing an

(42:51):
area and killing all of that guys. It's called kinetic shaping. Yeah,
we're getting all snow like shape, and let's just call
it what it is. I'm gonna go in there and
kill all these cocks. Oh yeah, you put but and
as you're there, that's to me, the mentality you gotta have,

(43:12):
like if I if I'm with you guys that we're
the problem on the streets, you gotta beat them up. Well,
that's not killing them. You guys are in a situation
where you have to kill them where they're gonna kill me.
Ultimate competition. It's definitely like a it's ultimate, that's it.
It's like it's like a game of poker, like I'll
see your I'll see your you know your call and
raise you. You know, Like they're shooting at with a

(43:34):
K forty seven. I went to drop like an artillery
strike on them, like I got something for you you
want shooting me with a K four seven is cool.
I'm gonnadrop a five hundred pound bomb and you know
the laser guidance because we're America and that's what we do.
But it's just but it's just business, you know. That's
the thing is like it's just business. Like if you
look at it, it is. I agree with you. Yeah,
I agree if you because I do believe like if

(43:56):
you let yourself get enthralled with like like a hatred
and stuff like, you're don't make emotional decisions. How many
emotional decisions if you ever made that were like correct?
You know, like just approach it at a in a
systematic fashion, like you're killing in the systematic fashion, like threat?
What assets do I have? How do long does that
take to employ? How accurate it is going to be? Okay? ABC, Okay,
I'm going to see boom, he's dead? Okay, next And

(44:18):
you just keep moving on and you can't you can't
live in it. Where am I at? Who? Who? Who's
around me? What assets do I have? Who needs to know? What?
Who are we against? How do we kill them or
or or capture them? Processing the problem? Well, I think
I think to a big you know, a big part
of this is coming home, right, So now you're coming
home and and and you have to there's a lot

(44:40):
of guys that that I you know, that I even
have in my own family Um, you know, my my
uncle is a beret and and um, you know he
would never come out of war. You know. He he
lived in Long Beach on the street because by choice,
he didn't want to be at home. He wanted to
sleep in bushes and sleeping in this thing. And stomach
blown off by a grenade throwing in the thing and

(45:03):
he was the first one to jump on it. It
was done, blew off, his stomach still on the dud um.
But his his mindset was was, you know, you'd come
and see the family for a day and and you know,
probably smash on me and my brother or somebody, just
you know, just to have fun with everybody and then bail,
you know, and then he'd be gone for months at
a time, and um, they're on the streets. But but

(45:24):
but my thought process is is why that's why it's
important to me too. Is it's like you guys have
been able to you know, come out And I'm not
gonna say that it's all cherries and you know, teaches
and cherries or whatever. You know, this isn't sweet. I'm
saying you guys are able to maintain a clear mind.
Well who knows, I mean, at the table today you are. Yeah,

(45:47):
we all we all come back with our demons, and
you don't escape your demons, but you gotta learn to
live above them, you know. And we all have them.
Doesn't matter if you're military, civilian, whatever it is. We
all got our issues right and we just gotta be like, hey,
what's gonna make me better? And if I go down
that path, that ain't cool, that's gonna wake up the demons.
I've got to deal with my go this path. Yeah,
I'll fly above them. Yeah, and I and I appreciate
that for you guys. Again, first and foremost you thank

(46:09):
you guys for for being there and doing that for
our country. Ye be at home, dude, I I get it.
You know, I get it. You know I look at
it kind of the same way you guys do. It's like, hey,
we're there to do a job. It's business, and we
gotta keep moving. It's not a sweet, you know, glorified gig,
but it is because you're you're saving our children or

(46:31):
women sucking home set, you know. So it's it's dope. Well,
and I mean a lot of people, a lot of
people ask me still like what was the point, But no,
I said, I'm cheering up. Well, A lot of people
ask me today even still, like well, what was the
point of Afghanistan A rock? Like I don't get into politics,
but what I will say is this is over the
last twenty years of warfare, what's he done for our country?

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It's given us multiple generations of combat veterans. Look at
the situation in Russia right now in the Ukraine. Russia
is getting there, asses kick because yeah, they got you
got tanks, you got all the infantry, you got airplanes,
everything else. But you've never It's like you have an
all star sports team. You never put them together on
the field. You don't know how they're going to perform.
So we've we've we streamlined their operational procedures as a

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war fiding country. And you know, the military complex, industrial
complex has come together and built all these this technology
and everything behind us. America is still the number one
superpower in the world. I don't care how much discord
we have in our streets. Like it's like we're like
a dysfunctional family in America. Like if we fight each
other when there's no one else to fight, might now
there's no one else to fight. Someone new to Hawaii.

(47:33):
See how quickly the country would come together and fight,
you know, and you know, China, Russia, whatever, bring it.
If that's what they want, then let's give it. Yeah,
we don't have any near peers right now. I mean
that's what people need to realize. There's no one near us,
right and the other leaders have to realize that by
knowing what America has, what the armed forces, right, I
mean absolutely, you know, playing the game. Absolutely, even on

(47:54):
tactical level. I mean, when you're ready to like smoke
check these guys, I mean that last second they look
at you before you throw around in the into running,
like they just look at you like fun. You guys
are good, you know, they're just like god, damnit, yeah,
here it comes. You know, There's there's a very distinct
thing that I still I can still remember. There's a
very distinct thing that happens with someone's eyes when they
realize that you're going to kill them, like like what

(48:15):
you could see like a shift in their eyes. And
those out there who've done it, no, it's like that,
the when they realize that they're dead, it just you
see it changed the wise and you know, but again
and it's it's that sad. I'm sorry, it's business. This
is what you signed up. That's what people listen. This
is why you can listen to this podcast. You know

(48:36):
what I mean because the guys like this. Yeah, well,
every generation I mean, this democracy, I mean it needs
to be defended violently at times, and every generation kind
of has earned their stripes. And god, you know we
all have kids. They're they're going to face it. Eventually.
Something's going to happen. You know, no one eleven happening right,
and it did the Ace and ask me do this?

(48:58):
And you have your cannabis company that you guys both
have your hd g C you know, company shirts and
everything else. How did you, Brian find cannabis when you
come back? Did Brian Buckley go a dude, I don't
know if you're dealing with ship, but this cannabis has
been helping me. I don't know if you're dealing with
the same demons I'm dealing with, but you know I'm
smoking this oil and now I'm selling it too. You

(49:18):
want to jump in the game with me, like, how
does this come about to help you with your PTSD?
Because I'm sure you deal with it well so for me, um,
I mean, Brian has been had this company since two
thousand and sixteen. I was still a marine. When you're
in when you're in the military, you can't do any drugs,
you know, so I had to like kind of stay
separate from it. And uh, but you know, and I
don't really I don't really feel like I have a

(49:38):
lot of PTSD personally, Like I feel for guys who do,
and I'm not downplaying their their struggles, but for me,
my my problem is sleeping through the night, Like I
have a I just like I'll go to sleep at ten,
eleven o'clock at night whatever, and then midnight, one o'clock thing,
you know, I'm I'm wide awake, and it's like, man,
that's got PTSD at all. And I will say, like,

(50:02):
what's that He's out in the car driving around the
neighborhood and ship Joe. No really no, I mean I'll
have dreams were all like relive stuff, and you know,
you'll wake me up in the night and I'll wake
up and I won't know where I'm at and it
kind of takes me a second. I like, oh, there's
my wife, and you know, like I get you know,
ceiling fans go and I was like, what a trip,

(50:23):
you know, Okay, but now I'm wanting to wake you know,
so but I what I found and personally, like, I
don't really like the way I feel like when I
don't smoke a lot of pot, right, Like, like I
do just enough, like medicinally to go sleep through the night.
Like like because if if if I was to sit
here and smoke and join with you guys, I would
just turn into a Chinese school girl and I'd be
completely used to everybody. So like, but at the end

(50:45):
of the night, dude, if I take a couple of
hits of some Indica and like just enough to like, okay,
I feel good, I can sleep and I and I
sleep all the way through the night, and I wake
up refreshed, and then I don't smoke again until the
next night, you know. And that's that's just my thing,
that's my treatment plan. I don't do it. I don't
smoke pot to get fucked up, you know. I I smoke.
I want the benefits exactly. And that's why that's why

(51:07):
I support what Brian's dealing here. Why I'm like, yeah,
I mean, if there's anything I do to help out,
let's let's rock and roll. Man, you know, I I
find it. It's it's awesome because you know, I think
that you guys understand the brotherhood. That's that's you know, um,
much further than most people. Right. There's something that you know,
I'll never get to experience. You know, I've experienced it
actually in in not on the same level, but in

(51:29):
the street level where you know, I've had my friends
murdered and shot at and died next to me, like
holy sh it, you know, but which is not normal either,
by the way. But it's just something that I happened
to see in my life. But you know, I think, um,
something you guys did as much further than that. I mean,
you guys are talking about like you guys signed up
for this ship. You went out there, We all signed
up for it, but you guys went out there daily

(51:51):
and for our country, lived on as someone else's soil. Um.
I mean, you know, And it's almost like I swear
you just explained a movie, you know, but you actually
lived it. And and so it's you guys now having
this opportunity to bring out a product one you guys
have a certain standard that you live by. You know,
you know, you're not gonna mess each other around this is.

(52:13):
You know, you guys care about each other enough to know, like, hey,
this guy was out there, you know, protecting my back
when when I called in support to come get me
or to take me out of there or to bring
me in or whatever. You guys have that bond in
that brotherhood that's not really easily found. This is and
and trust me, it's taken me years to build this
brotherhood with with certain people in our camp, just to

(52:33):
have them be like, yo, we we uh. I trust
you enough to to see everything that's going on with
this company. And and and I related to your business,
to your family life. You know, you have your um,
your big life. You know, this is our big life.
You know we're on set right now, we're doing the show.
You know we're doing this. And then you have your
small life. You know, your small life is probably the

(52:53):
most important life. It's the one you go home to
your family and all this and that. And it sounds
like an oxymoron, but it is. It's just my life
is so much more important. But every day you're doing
this big life. So you guys probably you know, compliments
each other. Well, are you guys actually physically partners? Right,
now are just helping to show them out? Or how's
that he's getting more involved with our nonprofit Battle Brothers Foundation,

(53:14):
And literally was like, hey, why don't you come out
here for a month to live with me and just
check out canvas So you kind of get a little
bit more situation where so, yeah, he's been down in
the San Diego is get ready to fly back soon.
But you knowing me out, I would never kick him out.
I love him to say. It's like I had the
safest house in America for a while, but bad though.
I sit in this house and all his food and
I'm like, you eat all those pop Like I just

(53:38):
got down more room on Sunday for a soccer tournament.
I sent at a soccer tournament. He's gonna have another
game on Sunday, but I'm gonna be in Arizona on Sunday. Hey,
I'll let him stay up by extra room. Right, a
little couple of guns and like I said, and the
way he talks right now, right the first interview I
did with Brian, when Brian Buckley was described, I mean

(54:00):
everything he's eliminating. This eliminated and it's like the way
you talk to what you got to experience right now
was the same stories I heard from Brian, and it's like,
so the way you describe your job is so elegantly
safe to makes me feel like, oh my god, Like,
how bad of an ass is this dude right there?
Right don't to win the fucking metal that you want.
And the other thing that I want to point out

(54:21):
for you listeners, this is what Hellman Valley Grower's company
is about. So when you're looking at buying a cannabis
product and smoking something or doing something, this is what's
owned by Brian Buckley. And this is Brian Buckley bringing
in this guy saying, hey, come out with the nonprofit
this and they go out and they give money for
veterans in that and that's why we've always supported him,

(54:41):
and that's why I love himself. Well, don't you do
a whole You have a whole system. Yeah, I mean
we literally have what they call an Institutional review Board,
which falls under the FDA, which means we've been cleared
to do human trials with medical cannabis to see if
it reduces the symptoms of postmac stress. We got Israeli doctors,
we got U c Irvine with us. That's what United
States Congress said to me is like, if you get
to an American doctors, you're gonna have a good argument.

(55:02):
So we're just trying to fund our our research so
we can get that going. And if you want to
help us out, good to Battle Brothers Foundation dot org
and make a donation. Helmet Valley Growers company product not
only can get a great product like Joe was saying,
but we take a hundred percent of our profits and
we donate that back to our veter medical cannabis research.
I have not taken a salary since I started this thing.
That's how important this is. Do you hear about all
the missions we talked about? This right, here's the most

(55:22):
important mission of my life because during this who entire
time from nine eleven to now, we lost seven thousand
and seventy men and women during a global war and terrorism.
During that same period, we've lost nearly thirty one thousand
men and women active duty and um and veterans to suicide.
So essentially, being back here in America's more we're being
back in the helmet or anything like that. This is

(55:44):
a more dangerous battlefield that we're on. Like I said,
we bring back our demons and sometimes they get our
brothers and sisters and I'm just not cool with that.
We gotta put an end to it. And Brian, what's
the latest and greatest, because we have conversations just on
the weekends and bullshit time about you going to Washington
and talk talking to legislature in this and that. Give
us an update on what you've got going on and
what's been you know since our conversations. Yeah, it's been

(56:06):
pretty good. I mean, obviously, we had an election mid terms,
and they took them a litt while to get a
Speaker of the House figured out. But I'd literally just
talked to Representative Nancy Mace, who's a Republican in South Carolina,
wrote a great bill called a State Reformact. Just talked
at her office yesterday. So we're helping out with a
resolution that they're going to put together on the House floor,
coinciding with the United Nations. And then, uh, once they

(56:26):
kind of get things a little more settled, we want
to kind of help out in terms of what we're
doing with our research and share that information with them
because they're the ultimate they're the legislators. They make the laws,
and we need to get this thing knocked down the schedule.
It is a preferred schedule three would work. But with them,
we want to get together and kind of move forward
so we can get Helmon Valley Growers Company product with
medical back data in the v A system so that

(56:47):
men and women can go s either VA doctors and
get prescribed cannabis free of charge and out the door
they go. So we're still working with them, and there's
a lot of good things. You know, guys like Dave
Joyce out of Ohio, Barbara Lee out of Oakland. You
got Nancy Mace outse auth Carolina. I mean, we're we're Marines.
Were my political parties America. You know, I don't care
about Republican, don't care about Democrat. We just have a
mission to accomplish. So we're working with both of them

(57:08):
and things are starting to shake out. Now. We're gonna
be very aggressive with Congress in the next two years
and see what we can do. Yeah, and that's one
of the things that the things that really treat me
about what Brian had going on here is that, you know,
if there's anyone who's going to listen to the efficacy
of cannabis for treatment of PTSD, anxiety, sleep disorders, whatever,
they're gonna listen to veterans about like like both sides

(57:31):
of the like whether you're Republican or Democrat. I'm with Brian,
like I don't really care. Keep out of my business,
let me keep my money, you know, like stop taxing.
You know. But but it's like, you know, if there's
anyone they're gonna listen to, it's gonna be like government
listeners government and government knows how government works, you know,
Brian did, here's an officer, like he knows how government works.
You know, I had twenty years. I know how government works.

(57:52):
And when I see you know, I mean a lot
of the people in the canvas industry, and it really
it just blows me away. It's like you've got so
many great people in this industry, but it almost seems
like like they don't want to work together because it's
still I don't know how it works. It actually works
when you work together. Yeah, we'll talk about what you
want to do. Let's really help each other and really

(58:13):
holding each other accountable for the things that we need
to get that to help the other person, we don't
do it. If we don't do it, let's figure out
how to do it and that's okay too, but let's
do it like we should help. It's like, man, we
we plug each other's podcast. We're sitting here going what's
your podcast? What's this? And the like. We try to
help folks out on everyone that we do well that
I think you know, that's what we do that we

(58:34):
have not And since we're talking about like that, it's like,
I'm very clear and okay with having clear conversations, right,
Like I want to be super blunt, super real and
just know everything we're doing so we understand it. And
it's like and if you can do that, then you
will find that you're going to be successful through with
your team because you're gonna say, well, this is how

(58:54):
we can bring to you, this is how we bring
to you. And then the first time we might not
do it, but the second time, oh there it girls,
and now we teach that person that hey, this is
why we're doing it, and then it just becomes this
huge change. Just all the different companies working together. That's
what we're here to do, you know, it's just who
does it better with each other and then you start
to build those you know, alliances and realize that hey,

(59:16):
we really have something here. This is working. You know,
we all, I mean everyone has the same mission, right
like everyone. I think you'd be hard pressed to find
someone out there in this industry that doesn't agree that
it has medicinal effects. So, like, why it is not
everyone on board with getting this thing across the goal
line and with the mechanism of using guys who have
to have have have the year of Congress to do such,

(59:38):
you know, it blows. I've been on here for a
month and I've been I've been like, like, you know,
an outside perspective, going in dispensaries, watching them like how
they run their operations and the Battle Brothers everything else,
and I'm like, it's just it's wild to me that
everyone's not on board with this thing. And you know,
obviously that's our goal here, is to get more people
aware and more people moving towards the goal line. But

(59:58):
it takes a bigger thing, You're right, I think that
then some of the you know, and I say, there's
a lot of fast food people in this industry. They're
here to eat really fast and get fat, you know,
versus people that are gonna just kind of sit back
and dine for the whole time, and people coming they
see something, they just want to eat it up and
it's gone. And it's like, okay, keep doing that, you know,

(01:00:20):
because you're gonna get fat, you're gonna you're gonna you're
gonna air out. But we're gonna stay real consistent and
go right. And it's like, and I watched it all
the time, and I'm like, damn, you know, let me
go back twelve fifteen years. I don't see half the
people and I think, I know, you know, maybe like
there's a good handful, but but still the people around.
But I mean, you know, you've seeing all the faces

(01:00:41):
that we've seen coming in out of this. They are
so fast food. They come in with the great story.
They got a pocket full of money. They're spending it everywhere.
They're building this, building that, and it's just like cool,
that's fast food. Ship. It doesn't happen. You know, slow
money is for show money. You know it's gonna fucking work.
Just be slow, be patient, don't make stupid decisions, just
be persist. Still, don't do all the stupid ship that exactly.

(01:01:02):
Let's just and just be honest. You know, it's not
that hard to be to be honest with people. And
I think that people get confused and they think that
business is about lying and fucking creating a bullshit to
to make them look better instead of just sucking. No,
this is like what we can do. This is what
we are doing. This is how we do it in
People don't ever ask to see what we do. They

(01:01:22):
just be like, oh, you guys gotta show you guys,
gotta show you guys gotta show the like, yeah, we
gotta show. But we you know, we throw festivals, we
we put we put on um, you know, a magazine
we're doing with events we have, we create live We
create live leads for people. You know, we call it
live leads. You know, is we put people in front

(01:01:44):
of people and then we tell them, hey, we put
you guys here on purpose. We put up it's good. So,
you know, Brian, it's so cool to see both Brian's
working together and Brian Jackline, you know, hearing your story
and how you won that Navy Cross, you know, one
medal behind the medal of honor. Just to think of
what you did and your captain taking one in the

(01:02:06):
neck and your other buddies getting you guys, getting them
out of there alive for you to fucking step up
and do that, dude, if there's anything and Brian already
knows we could ever do for you, Like, seriously, this
is your home. You need a place to stay, bro,
I got you all bullshit aside, come in town. We
got trailers. We love that it was in the army, Like,

(01:02:26):
come on through, we gotta we gotta camper out here.
I got a house down the street. I'm saying I've
slept on like mud floors and coutry for most of
my career, like a camper. My backyard is so nice.
Oh man, No, seriously, I you know you guys are good,

(01:02:46):
good guys, and and uh, I'm excited to see what
your guys mission looks like at the end of this,
because you know there's no quittin right there. You're here,
and that's why we support your company. That's why your
company is up on our wall here. Appreciated me, Like, yeah,
there's a reason why I had to convince him to
leave it out before he even met you. And even before,

(01:03:08):
it's like, why do you fucking like that guy so much?
I'm like, dude, you gotta hear the story, Like what
the funk are you doing? Tell the team what we're doing.
I'm like, no, this is these guys are the guys there.
There are military, there are government connection like what Brian's

(01:03:30):
you're doing, Buckley is It's like so truth. And to
hear even the other Brian say like when he first
met you, to see an officer be a leader like
he was was good for me to hear because I
never heard anybody yet. So I was kind of wondering,
what half a second, I'm only hearing the bullshit. I
did a good vetting on this one before you talking
about make sure you say it was a good I
was a good must Hey buck, Buck, how can I

(01:03:54):
call you? Buck? I like that? Man? Um, you know,
I'll tell you what, dude. I think you're a fantastic man. Dude.
I appreciate anything you've done for our country as well.
You know you too. You know I've definitely been through
those stories and and uh, you know, I don't even
know if that can be a thing to do. I mean,
you know, whatever whatever we can do to help you
guys were certainly there, and I think what what what

(01:04:15):
something we might want to talk about is what does
your your infrastructure look like? The business plan in order
to bring that that capital in, because those are things
that I'm probably you know, a lot more well around
it than most people think about it. And I could
identify it, bring it in and create the story. And
I think he guys could deliver the prod the goods,
you know. So you know, let's talk about what that

(01:04:37):
looks like and and and doing a veteran's event here
with you guys. Yeah, I want to do something. Yeah,
we'll definitely want to do some stuff here for sure.
You know, I don't want to get the hills. Don't
let Joe organize it. No, No, But what I'll do
is I'll take all the credit for the organization. It
aished my my vision. Brian, how much? How much do

(01:05:05):
we need to finish the clinical trials? About another three
hun k? Yeah? Okay, So think about this, like how
many cannabis companies are out there right, your hundreds? Like
if if they came together and every canvas company said like, okay,
I'm gonna donate, three hundred companies came together said I'll
give you three thousand dollars. It's done, it's done. It's
gonna benefit the entire me. Everyone's got three thousand dollars. Man, well,

(01:05:26):
and here's how we do it. Though we put it,
you have to build it in a So that's that's
exactly what I'm saying right now. You tell me that,
and I go, perfect. Now I could have them make
it all look beautiful on this side, get it all pretty,
and then we can get them having meetings and say, hey, look,
we're not going to touch any money. We're gonna put
it into an escrow account until we hit the final amount.
All we're asking is for your donation today. And then

(01:05:48):
we still recognize we start going down that one path, right,
and and I could organize that path. That's what I
gotta here. And then as soon as I see that,
I'm like, okay, And not only that not that bad.
I know you got well, you know it's actually it's
actually great because what happens is, you know, it's monkey
see monkey do right when when one person goes, you
know what, we'll donate three ground and then it's like

(01:06:11):
and then and then all of a sudden, it just
starts exploding. Right. But there has to be a um,
you know, a call to action. There has to be
sales guys like you know, I don't see you guys
as more sales guys. I think I think you guys
are more action guys. Right, You're like, oh, we're gonna
kick the door down and going right literally so, But
but I I come from like, like, I'm probably a
sales you know, perspective of things, but but I look

(01:06:35):
at it from a visual like I could see a
done product, you know, but I can't build the product.
I gotta call each one of these guys to help
me build the product. But I see it done. And
this is which we've always been preaching, right, So Blue
and I have always been saying research, do this this,
and we can find out what it could. And that's
what you guys have been trying to do. And therefore

(01:06:55):
hearing this, and I know how his mind is already
thinking that's why when you said that. Never, I'm already
feeling my brother going okay now, and I can see
how he's going to be able to get the team,
like I can raise that right and like, and it
goes with what we believe it. This is our core belief,
Like our belief is to get the research to do
everything we want. Absolutely, I mean that's the thing. Like

(01:07:16):
to Brian's point, use us. I can look at people
in Congress said you sent me to war, nownce your
turn to fix me. And when we get this done,
and we will, it's gonna benefit the entire community. As
an officer, he could go to the fucking people. I mean,
he's having dinner with the president tomorrow. All up. Now,

(01:07:36):
we're not showing up with like a tied eye T
shirt and you know film canisters that are you know,
we're showing up at suits and we've we've got the
credibility to back us on. And uh, you know, like
you said, it's going to benefit everyone in the community.
And I mean the VA is the third largest, third
largest medical compier in the world. And if I have
my factors straight here, so when they get on board,
what happens with the rest of the insurance companies? Right

(01:07:58):
then they come on board, and now you know all
these all these to these proprietories around all these dispensaries.
You know, now your clients can come in with their
insurance and pay for the pay for their medicine. You know, yeah,
and none of that. Folks listening, God William, you're still
listening to want to donate, call us up seriously, but
these are the this, this company, h v g C,
the Helm and Valley Growers Company. These guys literally can

(01:08:20):
walk into the White House. It's not like and they
don't and they do, and they go back and forth
all the time. Like I talked to Brian when he's
on his way over there coming back. He's there, he's
sending me pictures like we're friends like that now. And
I've been in so in awe with it, and by
thinking if this is what we could do, we could
really make a change, Like I want to get behind
this so heavy now so so again for me, right,

(01:08:40):
I hear it and I go, yeah, this this is
probably a lot easier than the rest of you guys
think at the table here, you know. But for me, right,
and I don't say that disrespectfully, I just go like, oh,
you know, we could have to put the right we
haven't put the right package together in front of the
right people. In order to actually capture it right, the
package needs to be you know, put and put it,

(01:09:02):
you know together, or else it would already be having
to be like no, we've already and you sure you're
sure you have I don't know, but I think just
getting really good at that that that message. You know,
it's like when we shoot here, like we we have
all this going on, because it gets a good message, right,
and everybody takes it in a little better than if
I'm just sitting in a room with my boy going
hey boom. You know it's you, so you're taking the message.

(01:09:24):
So we have to create the message a little. You know,
I have to see your plan. You know, I haven't
seen it. I'm sure you have a ton of it,
you know what I mean, there's no you don't. But
I'd love to see it. And then I'd love to
see how we can how we can help raise that
with you, um and put together a little program that
just kind of you know, it holds people accountable, but
super simple by bringing them in and go look having

(01:09:45):
that exact call. We need a hunter of you guys. Man.
You know we all put in for events every year.
We don't need it. Right this second commit to us
get a payment plan on that three hundred bucks a month.
Goal is to have the money by this time next year.
You know, we have the and then here in the
in the meantime, here's this this you know, comedy shows

(01:10:05):
on us. Let's have some fun tonight like bread and
you know, and then you have to make it right
there and there. We can do a power point presentation
and probably do it in one night. You know. Officers
they do that ship for a living. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So you're gonna be able to hit the jack as
a wrestler right time. You can't divide, you got like
we do it in in a group setting and then

(01:10:27):
and then we have a heavy message and then we
walk out and then if they know where they're there,
you know, and and then they say, yeah, that's a
good decision. I want to do it. Our whole team
is moving on it, you know. And that's like like
our events. You know, we're doing an event. We just
did it, you know, I said, hey, wait for this,
wait for this, you know, because we're basically saying, hey, guys,
we're doing this golf tournament. It's going down and we

(01:10:48):
want your support on it because that's what we're all doing,
Like we're doing it together, right, and that's what we're helping.
The gridiron grates and there's a change behind it, you know,
and it helps it helps people that have you know,
injuries to their brains. So we're literally helping folks like exactly,
we gotta put some time. We'll get together time. And

(01:11:09):
I like your new addition right here. Yeah, he's all right,
you know, I don't know. I mean we're a big,
you know, oversized gorilla. Yea four or six five big
old you know second breakdown doors and climb up trees.
You know what the promise I was born in the
wrong century. I was built. I was built to pull
plow cards. There's no more plow cars. Can I just
share the other? I just came to me. So we're

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doing like our advanced medical treatment stuff, and my god,
we're just doing all this crazy stuff. And Brian got
picked to be like some I don't know, like an
example or whatever. Remember you had to take off your blouse.
It just got like really quiet. You're standing they were
like topless and we're all just sitting looking at it. Yea,
it wasn't this chick was sucking on my nipples like

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it was just what It's not sorry anyway, that came
in my head every time there's everything weird medical play,
like you know, you take couch tas in simulation to
see what the guys are gonna do. They gotta like
treat them a certain way, they gotta e back up
to a health doctor. So forth, who do they choose?
They choose the big guy. So I'm like, hey, I
was at the back of the stack. There's the way
I got shot, like carrying this guy around was like,
don't carry your down anyways. Like all right, well, I

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guess I'll just like hang out, just lay on the
ground until someone fixed. So we all got to pick
this dude up and dude like the medal of honor.
Run with them like you're fat as three or four beers.
You have this weekend too many lay off. Thank you
guys coming, Thank you always a pleasure. Anything you guys
want to say before we get on out of here. No,

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I think we said all and again like help us
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profits goes back to fund our research. So join the
fight with us and let's see some great things together.
So can't thank you guys enough for everything you're doing
for us. Yeah, no doubt, man, Yeah, you're dispensary out there.
Pick these guys up. It's good stuffy. They use only
the best products and uh and gear. I mean, there's

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the same value that they put that we all put
in the military. Not a fly by night. They they
value they take only land based screens. They take you know,
they take extreme care that it's actually having medicinal purposes
and it's not in the flashiest of boxes. But you know,
that's the right thing. I've talked to numerous people over
the last month. They they all love it. I like

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the earth Tone boxes. I think they're flashes. They look
like military, so I don't know. I think they have
the kind of weird it is earth Tonys dope to me. Well,
there it is, guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one.
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