Meet Tucky Blunt owner of Blunts And Moore. The world's first black owned Dispensary under the Social Equity Act.

Owner of Blunts and Moore and Proud Papas Clothing in Oakland CA, Tucky Blunt aka Alphonso tells us how being caught with $80 worth of weed led him to his success today in the cannabis industry, He talks Black ownership in cannabis, Social Equity, and His Unite & Rebuild event. Call us 800-420-1980

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today on the show, we have a brother from Oakland
who I love like my own brother. We've never slapped hands,
or maybe we did back in the day, but I
was so high, and maybe we're at the sound factory
somewhere else and I can't recall. But Tucky Blunt a
k A. Government name Alfonso. He's the co owner of
Blunts and More and Proud Papa's Clothing. Now, this is

(01:50):
what's dope about this cat. He's the first person to
open a dispensary in Oakland under the Social Equity Act.
And if I'm not mistaken. Is it Oakland? Are the
world the world? Yes? The first person in the world open.
We're gonna get to that story. If you want to
check them out on Instagram, it's Tucky Blunt eighty on
Twitter Blunt Tucky. Um, we're gonna talk about black ownership

(02:13):
and cannabis and and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh
one sir. How you doing, brother man Man, thank you
for having me. It's honor and a privilege. So I'm great.
I'm a static. Actually, it's really good. I've loved seeing
you interview with our brother sway and doing your thing
there and all over the globe, getting all your national recognition.
But one thing off top is, you know you get

(02:35):
popped back in the day, and to be a social
equity owner you have to have a criminal record. When
I did the research, John, you dog to think you
got busted for eighty dollars. We're the weed man. That's
what gave me the record. Let's talk about that. Um,

(02:56):
So that particular day, had they came about an hour earlier,
total different circumstances, but but that particular day shooting range, Yeah,
if I came a little earlier, but um, I was
getting back from the shooting range. I had a thing
that I would do, um three times a week with
one of the people I would buy my product from.
We would always go to the shooting range after we
did our transactions or whatever. And he dropped me off

(03:19):
like normal. Not even three minutes later, cop pull up,
We heard your car your description has a gun and
a weed in the car. So at the time might
have noticed script. I had never been interacted with police
ever in that nature, so I just kind of like froze,
wait a minute, I sound crazy, you sound good, You're

(03:41):
good over here. Okay, no, we can, we can, Okay,
hold on the okay, coo coo cool. It might have
been the headphones, so I kind of panicked and were
kind of like asking him question like what you're arrested
me for or whatever. So long story short, I had
a gun in the car. I had about eight bags

(04:03):
of weed, and I sold weed pastries at the time,
so I had like carrot cakes some but then enough bread's. Um,
I'm talking with chip cookies, all kind of stuff. So
they took it. The dude took me to jail. Um.
Then I got felony probation. Uh, ten years of feling
in probation for eighty dollars worth a week. Was the
gun yours mind registered to me, registered to the address

(04:28):
that UM. I was in front of UM because I
was working to be a probation officer. I started working
with Alameda County the monday after they arrested me, and
I ended up seeing the arresting officer on my first
day walking into the field. It I'm like, I told
you I worked for the county. He was like, wow,
so yeah, I can't go back and get that. Luckily

(04:50):
there was no gun charge that that's here. That was
oh no, no, no. I got charged with the gun
in the week. I got charged with both did but
they dropped. That's why I got charged with me. I
ended up getting everything dropped, sealed, exponged. UM like I
can go get a gun again. I can go like
my life is back from Charlie valid again. But you
know I got I got gun and we charges and
that's how I ended up getting a ten years of

(05:11):
felony probation. Back then, in Oakland, if you called the
case of any type, the mandatory minimum was the felony
minimum five years of felony probation. They were trying to
get out to everybody. I got ten because I had
two cases. And then they was a little leaning and
I guess because they seen I wouldn't like a They
didn't know me as a dope dealer, you know what
I'm saying. They just happened to get some information on
me and called me. They would have never called me

(05:32):
had I not got snitch right right. You know. One
of the things Oakland, you know, speaking of Oakland's at
your hometown down you know, um, you know right there
on uh where Osterdam University is or was, Yeah, right
across the street. There's a there's a dispensary there. Are

(05:53):
you familiar with Are you familiar with that one? Yes? Okay,
So that that dispensary. Man, I went there one time.
There's a little cafe and they have no no, no, no.
My my buddies, all my buddies all worked you know,
with those guys or something for a long time, years
and years ago. And I was out there, you know,
getting into some trouble, you know, trying to figure out,

(06:13):
you know, get some stuff back or whatever. But we
were at that dispensary and I remember it was just
so there was such a huge line from you know,
all the way down the street and around the corner
on that damn place. And I ended up getting in
there and taking one hershey kiss, like a little hershey
kiss thing that they had. It was like a hash
kiss or something like that. And I was sitting inside

(06:34):
of a little cafe that's right there, and I remember
sitting there going, man, this this this place is a
rough town. You know what I'm saying. Oakland ain't no joke, bro,
you know what they say, It's just like Compton. I mean,
it's it's a rough town in Oakland, man. So you know,
growing up out there must have been must have been crazy,
especially in the cannabis industry, you know. Um, tell us

(06:55):
about your five kids, man, oh man, what do you
say that. I'm been talking to one all day in
my fifteen year old he's a hoop scholar. But five kids.
Oldest is one, Um, youngest is twelve. I got one
twenty nineteen fifteen and twelve. Uh. Three boys, two girls,
So they're all over the place. And yeah, they I

(07:17):
got three of them out of my house already, so
they've grown doing a thing. I'm not a grandfather yet,
right man. They they they're chilling um, my daughters in
aspiring DJ. She is really really good at DJ. My
baby and then my son I've been talking to in
the room all day. He's like, I mean this with

(07:37):
with with as a dad, you know, you don't want
to give too much props. He's raw in basketball and
he's a four point of students, so uh, he's just
like he's pops when it comes to the scholastics. Don't
know that just got right here finds a k a
tucky blunt. I was gonna bring it up, but Cassie
to recognize when somebody gets a four point and high school,

(08:00):
you know what I mean, when you carry that, that
shows a lot of just charisma of being able to
buckle down. Because I never had a four point oh period.
I think my highest was a three five and I
cheated to get that. What I'm saying, it wasn't like
I deserved it, but I mean it does school? Did
school come easy for you? Because I mean, how did

(08:22):
you pull off a four point? Say? For me, school
was always easy, And I get this to my mom.
My dad helped me a lot too, but I'm gonna
get this specificity to my mom. She had me training
on like a little It was like a not cardboard,
but like my construction paper. It's sticker to construction paper.
But she made a chart had the number two a hundred,
the months of the year, the days of the year, um,

(08:45):
I mean the days of the week or whatever, had
five time tables, ten times tables, just a bunch of
different stuff on it. And she started teaching that like
two years old. And once I got to school, it
was just I skipped the grade in elementary and school
was always like school to me was how I got
out to go do my freedom. So if I can
bring home straight a's, I can go do whatever I

(09:06):
want to do. Because as long as I'm bringing my
good grades home, my parents wanted me to do what
I wanted to do. So it was like, all right,
I can do grades, I can say how weed I
can work, and all I gotta do is just go
to school and bring you four point oh oh, I
can do that. And it was easy, like I like
to learn, so sure. So I mean, do you do
you think it's it's horrible to even think about the

(09:26):
silver lining of the blessing and disguise? Do you think
you'd be an owner of dispensary today. If it had
not been for that bust, no, I wouldn't be no,
I wouldn't no way, no how would have even I
would have never got caught. I would never qualified as
an equity candidate because I have been selling weed for
nine years with no police interaction. Because of how I

(09:49):
sold my weed, I would never the man. But I was,
Oh man, you know what I'm saying. So I would
have just kept level and being cool. I saw most
of my weed at places I worked, so right, right,
A lot of people do that, blunts and more. Is
your is your dispensary? And you also have uh the
pop Proud Papa's clothing. Uh, let's talk about that for

(10:12):
a minute. Let's you know, I believe you guys do
donations and and you know you're giving back to the
community as well. So I want to hear a little
bit about that. Okay. So Proud Papas was something I
started in two thousand and thirteen sitting at my desk
Alameda County. I just um, I woke up one day
I was like, man, I would love to see a
shirt with a silhouette of a black father with some kids.

(10:33):
So I googled black father silhouettes. Everything you can tell
was a white person, no offense or whatever. But I
was like, what can I do about that? Created proud
papas made a silhouette, do the movement, help fathers fill
out paperworking these different things they need to do. Been
going on for a while. I kind of had to
put it on the back burner because of blunts and
more um within being a dispensary and with me trying

(10:54):
to get the message that people like us can own
a successful space and franchise. That's kind of like taking
a little more of importance as of right now. As
far as giving back, we just put on a BIGGI
bit call the I got five on and You're not
in Rebuild where we raised money for other dispensaries that
were burglarides, doing all the uprising behind the George Floyd murder,

(11:16):
and we ended up giving back um upwards around thousand
to four, four or five different dispensaries within the Bay area.
Let me ask you this, go ahead, no, no, go on,
you can finish. I'm sorry about that. I was gonna say,
I'm just real big on helping the community, giving back
and the way that I grew up in Oakland the
community I grew up. I'm forty, so I grew up

(11:37):
in the era of us helping each other, us working together,
and us using violence as a teachable moment instead of
a reason to be more violent. So yeah, going back
that far into the cannabis community, I mean it's I mean,
people did business a certain way back then in that market.
And if you've been in it that long and you
you know you were straight up, you're gonna have a

(11:58):
pretty long, uh long career in it and and business
in it, and hopefully that rolls over into today's market
where you get a lot of people outside the cannabis
community as we know it in California coming in putting
in seven eight million dollars and losing their asks because
they don't know what they're doing. How how much of
a road was it? Because I deal with social equity applicants,

(12:19):
I represent several of them here in Los Angeles, and
it's been a cluster we should talk absolutely, I'm knee
deep in it here and I represent the actual s
eas themselves against the big corporations trying to fund them
predatory practices. Um, And I'm sure you're aware of what's
going on in l A. It's what a mess it's been. Um,

(12:41):
How how long was the was the road from when
you started the process when you opened up in November
of eighteen? Okay, so for us we have a like
a spiritual life store. How everything happened. It wouldn't have
happened this way, but it happened. We got our lives.
We won a lottery in January of what year after January?
January of uh seventeen. Yeah, so January seventeen you win

(13:07):
the license. You have to then find um proper property
money all of that because you gave a poor person
a license in a bid dollar industry and no information
on what to do. So I actually know it was eighteen.
It was eighteen. It was eighteen January of eighteen. So yeah,

(13:28):
we got this license. We Um. I had a bunch
of people come and try to offer me deals I
have to have a heart, try to buy me out,
just you know, different the usual suspects, and I was like, no,
I knew my work. Um, which we'll get to I'm
sure we'll get to the point about the equity program
and the pros and cons um it's one of them
is known your worth and you know having education on
your work. But we did that. We had a bunch
of people trying to give us properties that had leans on.

(13:50):
It was just crazy. There was a property we have
looked at in Oakland that I knew it was a
value because it was directed across the street from the
Oakland Coliseum and um it was a grow operation from
a company called Grizzly Peat and they had retail space.
They applied for a license for the retail but they
got it. They applied for general license, didn't get it,

(14:10):
but they still have the space. So it was like, well, hey,
how can we work out the deal so we can
get the space, y'all can grow, y'all weed and we
can be a happy marriage. We worked on that from
March until we opened November eighteen. UM they gave a
startup capital um in a loan and then get any
equity in the store, UM, no ownership or anything. We

(14:31):
strategically increased certain other things that will pay them for
like within being a landlord. Can't say everything, but we
increased ways to pay them that way, and then also
made agreements to buy products from them and allow them
to be our management team. As far as hiring and
firing but there were stipulations in that if they didn't

(14:52):
do a B and C by D C the D
E n F, we can cut that part out and
stuff happy. We end up cutting that part out, so
we're not even tied that way anymore. It's just straight
landlord tenant and then pay back our loan. But normal
general equity applicants aren't going to have that business savvy
to have that conversation to negotiate that deal, you know

(15:14):
what I'm saying. We were like in a spreadial circumstance
because I'm smart, have businesses, know how to talk. Brittany
was smart, come from the Cannabi's background. We were able
to come in that room and be black and y'all
not know we're black, you know what I'm saying. Whereas
other people who have a poor person lies in the
billing dollar industry that's never made more than you know,
thirty dollars in their life, they're gonna sign in a
way for whatever they can get, and it's the hard

(15:36):
party when you have to have a hard cover. The
Actually a lot of my clients unfortunately seem to fall
into that other category where they're not educated, um, you know,
don't have the business savvy, and I mean I was
telling people to turn down ship left and right. And
it was hard for me because some people were getting screwed,
but they were getting on for ten fifteen grand a month,

(15:58):
you know, and it was hard for me to ell them,
don't do it. But I told them, don't do it.
One did. Anyways, They're gonna do what they gotta do.
But there was just so much predatory practice before we
go to break real quick for the listeners. Social equity status.
Various cities in the state of California have programs to
give preferential treatment to people who have been either convicted,

(16:21):
have a low income, or we're from a disproportionately impacted
area zip codes on the War on crime, and so
they've come up with ways to try to help help
that group of people, which they call social equity applicants
into the cannabis space, and it's just been a mixed
bag all over the state where they have it. It's
been so so your story so far is like if

(16:43):
someone were to come in to ask me, what's the
absolute best case scenario that probably never will happen. I
think it is your case. You that's your case. We
got to figure that out. Are you completely happy with
your partners? And then my other question would be our
are your partners? You know? UM don't like he has them?
Also like, oh, you don't have any partners anymore? One
other partner, brittany more more is my partner, brittany more

(17:06):
so it's blunt me and then brittany more is more so.
The other people weren't never there were never partners. There
were landlords and business partners. As far as like a
transaction for a loan. Yeah, some had to make sure.
That was key because as soon as they think they
have ownership, but no, it's me and breed on the store.
I mean, unfortunately here in l A they allow if

(17:27):
if you're Tier one, which is the highest chair you
can be, you have to have the social usity, the
applicants and control and every operating agreement, every deal I
saw some money coming in, was how ten ten different ways?
How can we get around that? It was just it's
it's horrible, and I think it's still going on, and
some people are buying into it and others are They're

(17:48):
hanging tough, and when they come to me, I'm I'm
a deal breaker. When it comes to us you know,
I'm looking out for your rights and how they're kind
of screwing you down the road. And half these agreements
wouldn't even get through the Department of Cannabis Council here
in l A if if they actually read them, which
I don't know, if they're gonna go through all these
offering agreements to be out back door. They really don't
own't pick me one per cent. They really don't control.

(18:11):
And it's it's unless you've been their situation. I had
to get the problem some egg. Some people don't mind.
They're like, you mean, twenty grand a month, do what
you want? I mean, and for them that might not
be a bad deal for some people. Um, but it's
just it's just not right when you're when we're hitting
there and that's twenty grand, don't come in. We'll we'll, we'll, we'll,
we'll talk about that when we come back. We'll be
right back right Welcome back to Cannabis Talk. One on one.

(18:40):
We are with Tuckie Blunt. Tucky Blunts. Tucky Blunts like
a senior on fin from Blunt and More out of Oakland,
and he is a social equity applicant that has successfully
got his is the first start of the world of man,
the very first ever in the world. That's Crazy's great.
Think about all the people that you do. This guy

(19:00):
is the first one thing that was an eight team.
I mean that was progressive for Oakland back then to
do this, that was very progressive. As LA has been
dragging on for two years. People have been holding on
the property. Unfortunately, they just allowed people to switch to
move properties and supporting were locked in the mint you
put in your application, so you had to hold the
properties for two fucking years. Now atleast people could let

(19:21):
old properties and they're allowing a notice of address change.
But to have that status back in a team, I mean,
my hats off to you, and that's that's that congratulations
or in order isn't there it's two years later. Definitely,
it's a lot. But the program itself, I say this
and any time I get a chance, because programming itself
was a great concept, great idea, was doing great things.

(19:45):
But it's just like anything, it needs oversight. It definitely
means education and it definitely means funding. When I say education,
I don't mean in a book. I mean education. As
I said, teach these people by predatory lending practices. Um,
you have in Oakland, we have a thing called a
technical assistance program. They're supposed to help people like us,

(20:06):
but they're getting paid and not doing anything. They're asking
me to come train people. How are you getting paid
by the state, but you want me to come in
for free to train people. No, I need some money
too so we can get people part of the You
can't have people making decisions in the space. It's not
in the space period doctors. Well yeah, period point. But yeah,
we we have so many we have We have the

(20:28):
entire government, fucking government making our rules who have never
been in this, never even spoked to joint and that,
and nordally even hired people that are in that. I mean,
just like here, they're supposed to have that technical assistance
and it just you know, I think some of the cities,
I mean it sounds good. They may have good intentions.
I don't know a lot of its politics. You know,
if you look at l A, there was a bunch
of ship going on. We actually broke a story with

(20:48):
one of my applicants who caught a and aid talking
about people getting in early. I know, if you saw
any ever saw you that, um, that was actually my
client who came to me saying, Craig went to talk
to this guy and my my husband happened to be
up in it, and he was talking about the Russians,
media mob getting everybody got thirty minutes early to the

(21:09):
portal and just all kinds of crapping it. Really unfortunately
it didn't make a bit of difference. Now, what are
those pros and cons as you kind of mentioned earlier
that you see for social equity As you're the first
ever to go there, and I'm sure a million cats
from the town to New York have come up to
you and said Tucky Munt helped me off, HANSO, what

(21:31):
do I need to do? So break down for the
listener that's out there, that's going damn, I got a record,
people are approaching me or I want to get in
the game, lace us up. Okay, So give me a minute,
because this is like a couple of parted. Answer one,
as far as everybody getting reform, everybody get out of
jail for cannabis has to happen. They gotta get out.

(21:51):
But that also comes with us voting in the right
elections and not just in the ones we think we
posed a voting. You gotta vote for your city council
and mayors, and people have to understand that the bottom up,
all people, black, white, pink, whatever, we all have to
do that for wherever we vocus. By time it gets
to the presidential too late, even though you still gotta vote,

(22:12):
but by then that this is already made. You know
what I'm saying's kind of like whatever, Well, that's part
of it too. If you want to get in this space,
really want to be in this space. What I mean
by that is, yeah, free everybody that's been locked up
for it. But do I want everybody's locked up ford
to come into the space and everybody's not gonna approach
this like a business, then funk it up, get closed,

(22:33):
lose money, going dead, and then that's gonna be what
the rest of the community talks about. Look at that
black person in the cannabis space. We told you this
was gonna happen. So if you are going to get
into space, go to your oaksterra damns, get your learning,
get your certificates, you know, reach out and get training
on the field you want to be in. But also
don't come in here thinking everyone's gonna open a dispensary

(22:54):
and everyone's gonna grow weak. One or two of the
hardest things to do in the cannabis space anywhere, whether
it's legal or illegal, it's growing and sale weed. So
if you think that you could just get into that, don't. Don't.
Don't come in expecting to get into that. No, I
not like to kill anyone's dreams, but you have to
be real, Like everyone wants to go on sale. That's

(23:15):
the main question I get, Like can we grow and say? No,
everyone can't grow and sale. Learn how to make the
lights that go in the dispensaries, I mean, learn how
to do security, learn how to do the deliveries. It's
learn out of the host podcast about we like, there's
other stuff that you can do. So my main thought
when I tell people they want to get in it
is make sure they really want to get in it
through the train and the texts to be in it,

(23:36):
and then then we see what happens, you know what
I mean. But you got a lot of people are
just gonna get out and jump in the game. I
believe that's gonna sunk us up. It's gonna have a
negative effect. Yeah, we we see that all the time
and it's funny you say about dream killing. That's what
we called ourselves in uh in eighteen when the REGs
came into play and people would come in for a
consult about getting into the business and they were getting

(23:57):
out of the the illicit market at that point, or
even the legal cooperative market back then, and we'd say, look,
it's it's a lot different, you know, eyes wide open.
It's just not gonna be what you think it is.
You can't just come in and for you know, twenty
grand open up a store. You know, you gotta have
a half a million dollars. You gotta have the business sense,

(24:17):
you gotta have a team, you gotta have a c
p A. You gotta have the right law, you gotta
have the right compliance team. It's just not as easy
as you think. And uh and we've probably turned away,
not turned away, probably made more people run away then
we've taken in, as opposed to you know, talking lots
of fluff and just you know, retaining anybody want to pay,

(24:38):
guess what, and not to cut you off, but guess what,
that's a good thing because they weren't ready to be
in the business. That's all all the stuff you named
off are things that you're gonna need to run a
successful business. So if that runs you off, then you
don't need to be in this business. It's okay with
I agree, I mean I agree, and and that we
we never we never the harsh reality. We never wavered

(24:58):
from that, even though people were will and there were
other attorneys taking money from people who wanted to get
in it without giving them that eyes wide open talk.
And we just you know, there's not something we wanted
to do because I didn't want to get into you know,
grand into it and all of a sudden, this isn't
gonna happen. That's not how we you know, how we
did things. So uh And and then as far as

(25:18):
the social equity applicants, all of them we've done. I
wouldn't say pro bono. It's one of the we we've
done those things where it's if you get successful in
this deal, you know, take care of us down the road.
But until then, we're gonna give you the support and backing.
And we have about six or seven people that we
chose to work with that otherwise they wouldn't have any
type of access to legal support or and especially going

(25:40):
through the operating agreements and all those corporate documents that
all these people were thrown at these guys and they
had no clue. Well, I think there's a huge garbage,
like I have contracts, we have like you know, most
of that ship's a bunch of bullshit. It's like, okay,
just like put it in a one give me a
one page why that's us? This this this, But you

(26:03):
know that's another way to throw people off. If you're
not willing to read that, oh you may not be
willing to do it. Sign deals that you don't realize
have you exed out by page three? You know what
I'm saying. So that's that's the education piece, you know
what I'm saying, Like and it's it's you. You would
think it would be a logical thing to do, but again,
we are dealing with an industry that is being ran

(26:26):
by people not in the industry. Yeah, they're they're using
they're using LLLC membership transfer agreements that are pages long
with crapping there that someone else wrote thirty years ago.
And they're using the same goddamn document over and over
and over and over. I mean, when you come to us,
we'll give you a one or two page document. Man,

(26:47):
you take that to them and say, if you don't
like it, go somewhere else. Depends what side of the
coin you're on, what kind of who's represent people? How
hard was that chilly for you, Chucky Blunt? As we're
talking to Chucky but from Blunts and more dispensary in Oakland?
How hard was that dealing with the do you need
legal representation? When you're such a smart cat yourself, you're
looking at this quat man, I can figure this ship

(27:09):
out myself. Did you still need to search for legal counsel? Well,
for us another cold situation, part of our team is
a legal cannabis counsel UH in Florida, and Ritney's mom
was a cannabis paralegal, so we had legal attached to
us from the jump, which worked out. But I always

(27:30):
had questions, you know what I mean. I don't know
legal jargon, so I would be looking up words, pulling
them out the dictionary, seeing what they meant, to find
them to the page. And then if I had questions,
I had in house legal. But that's something that I
feel the city should provide, and the city the Technical
assist program is ran by attorneys. They're not cannabis attorneys.
It's just like nothing, you know. I think I think

(27:52):
what happens is is right now with with the social equity,
you know, because I spoke to a lot of them myself,
and they were asking for advice and help, and you know,
I I sat there and and some of them had
these visions that were unobtainable. So, you know, on on
one side, I'm like, you know, you can't expect someone
to drop, you know, ten million dollars on you and

(28:12):
then let you run the whole ten million dollars right
without any say so, because that's kind of what it
what it comes to. And and it's like, you know,
so that's a scary proposition for for an investor, you know.
I mean, I get both sides, But it doesn't mean
you have to be predatory. I mean the rules of
no and I agree with not being predatory, but but
but there should have been you know, doing it the

(28:33):
proper way. We would have said, hey, if you're gonna
spend more than of you know, this amount of this
million dollars, we need to be you know, completely involved
in it in those decisions. And then if he goes
above that, then it goes to this next level, like
a tiered sister there he is, Yeah that the ballers. Okay, okay,

(28:56):
sorry y'all from home, right, Uh So it's it's just
it's it's it's the trip. You say that about just
you know how everything is, but it's like, man, it's
just it's just I don't know, like how can I
describe how we had to deal with the legal stuff.
It was just more so, just like if you've got

(29:17):
people that you can give some knowledge to and just
have them understand what they're going into and know their
worth and know their value, that's just a start, you
know what I'm saying. That's that's that's bare minimum. So
they can be like, okay, cool, You've got some people
that just are gonna sign a way just they don't
care and not pay attention. It's money dangling in front
of them is cool. And these business you know, these
sharks know that they know that they're gonna find the
ones that don't care. But what is wrong with you

(29:40):
on in forty percent and still being able to make
decisions like I don't I don't understand what is the
whole majority thing with the big companies? If you know
that every person to help get your license up and
you can talk them into having your name on the
store and still letting you have something from the control.
Most of these people don't want the control and don't
want to be at the store where I like to

(30:00):
be at my store and talk to my customers and
do all the stuff and learn everything about the business.
Sean from Bernard's own Hayden Frisco. He wants to be
he the general manager. He was like, he wants to
be bad person. Some of them don't. There's nothing wrong
with you. Still have me your majority and I'm still
doing all this ship. Like if these other if these
bigger companies can understand that. But again we're dealing with

(30:22):
people that don't understand hustle. They'll understand the wig game.
They understand none of that ship, you know what I'm saying,
So they don't they're not thinking that for them two percent,
it's not gonna change anything because at the end of
the day, you can write within the contract if you
start doing stupid ship, we're gonna say stop doing stupid
ship three times, and then after that we take over.
You can put ways in there to do what you
gotta do, and then the person on the other end

(30:43):
can throw there, you know, go ahead in l A.
They can't relinquish their ownership to the to the non
social equity partner. I mean they've the way they've made
the rules, it makes it really tough on a you know,
company that wants coming in to invest on. And uh,
it just like like you've been saying, though the people

(31:04):
who made up all these rules, it sounds good the
social equity statard that helping people out, but they're not.
They're not they're not doing it in a way that's
really practical and how people are gonna come out. And
I think I really like your angle too as far
as if you're gonna have these programs, I mean, make
sure that it's really set up so a black person,

(31:26):
person of color can be successful, so you don't get
that negative stigma if something goes down, Like you were
saying earlier that you just don't want you know, you
don't want failures because it wasn't done properly. And then
you're gonna look, we told you waste the money, blah
blah blah whatever you said earlier. And uh, I think
that's really important. But the legislators and I like what
you said to about voting from the city council up,

(31:48):
because the city council actually is the most the biggest,
that's one of the most vital pieces of the government.
Like I remember going to school here about checks and
balancing and known the legislator from the official frands, like,
you have to start at the local level to help
craft the rest of the tree. But I don't I
don't know if this is something that's toldly all subject,
but I think it's something that's going on nationwide. We're

(32:10):
gonna they're not teaching our kids. It's just ignorance of
never being able to learn it. So what I mean
because it's in cannabis especially, I want to vote, especially
especially in California. The uh, everything starts at the city level.
Right if the city council has to have to pass
an ordinance allowing for cannabis in that city, or the

(32:31):
people of the city have to pass an initiative, it's
the governor or something. So we gotta make sure we
vote for the governor. No, no, no, yeah, you gotta
go in city council. People are are they behind the cannabis?
And we gotta get the people out there and vote.
We gotta we we got what we call smoke the vote.
People gotta get out there and vote. Every top hip
hop artist I've been bitching about this for three years.

(32:54):
They should be blasted out voting. Go vote for a
cannabis friendly and and every week on the OH I
come up with in in some city state, at the city,
state or federal level. There's all kinds of candidates who
are coming out in favor of legalizing cannabis in their
campaign information not hidden in the back, not you know,

(33:15):
I don't want to really talk about it, but I'm
for it, but literally in your face, I'm smoking a
joint as a candidate. And there's just so many people
out there like that. We need to get everybody out
to vote. And I'll get off my host. I can
speak on the rappers and why some do some don't,
but I can speak on me. I'll be goddamn. I'm
gonna do everything in my power so people can see

(33:36):
people like us are willing to vote, are trying to
put the right people to office, are willing to talk
about what needs to be done in the space, putting
the right people in the space. I don't have no
like leash because it's me. I'm being genuinely me and
I'm not disrespecting anybody. I'm just calling how it needs
to be called based on my experience selling cannabis. So
I was sixteen in East open So a lot of

(33:59):
my trades, they may come off of cool cool or
he's being an asshole. I don't give a funk because
the ship has to be said so people can understand,
like it could be done a certain way and all
this could be right. And don't want to be me.
I don't have to be doing making. I want to
get into that East you know East Oakland growing up
because I'm from the Bay as well, right, so we've

(34:20):
crossed paths, have mutual friends and growing up in East
Oakland or Oakland period being black. If you know Oakland,
you know Grape Street and you know the brothers out there.
It wasn't crips and bloods. It was Grape Street. And
you know you go to the lake and how did
you deal with selling weed and that mentality? I mean
maybe you are a Grape Street I don't know, but
what I'm saying, how did you deal with that? I'm

(34:44):
from the Deep, I'm from the DP so were I'm
from a um But how it just how I'm moving
in the game for me was from my daddy. My
daddy never sucked with me in the game, never saw
we with me until we got grown grown, we don't.
He never did that. He taught me how to detail cars,
so I'm in detailing cars for thirty years. It but
how he sold his weed, I noticed he never went
to jail. How he did that was there was a transaction.

(35:08):
It was I'm gonna pull up, I'm gonna come in,
We're gonna do this transaction. I'm gonna smoke some of
the weed I just sold you, and then I'm gonna
go home. So I'm like, well, damn, if I want
to sell weed, that's how I'm gonna have to do it.
And then once I started working and realized all of
my associates that I worked with smoke, it was just like,
I don't need to go to the corner, going to
the corners. How you get caught up. The reason why

(35:29):
I got caught up that day and how I was out.
I was on the turf for about a seven month
period in between my son being born, I had I
was in between jobs. So I was like, let me
go to the turk and I never made that move
to go to the church. I wasn't talk to me
you all that because I would never go at home,
Like I always feel like if I want to sell
me that as a business to go, it's not get
caught standing on somebody's corner. It's how you get caught. Advertiself,

(35:52):
You're you're basically saying, I'm selling this, probably get you know,
I'm a little jail board, so please come get me.
At least I'm selling them behind the closed door in
a business with a person whatever whatever. You know what
I'm saying, it's my outfit. That's how I was that
with survive and hope as a man and the cookie
man like people know me for something. We actually to
two thousand one. So it's just like that's just I've
just been moving like that forever and I always use

(36:14):
myself as a store of brand in business. So well,
we don't know, it's just it wasn't meant to bet me.
I get so so we're with the elf l farm
joy once. Um just all right, keep saying tukey man,
you know why because tuchi tukie. What's to do from chechias? Yeah,
you get a turkey. Williams I'm like, are you guys related.

(36:35):
We'll be right back after this drink. Welcome back to
Cannabi's talk. Who it took you blood? Right here? Blind
Chuckie blind? Oh it's Tucky, I blund you know why?
Before we get started, I wanted to give a special

(36:56):
thanks to Jeremy, Jennifer, Elvis, Chubb, Pena, and don't forget
black eyed Pit Pit. Yeah, my brother got with a
black guy. Still. Brother came to work and he said
he fell in the shower. Yeah, and he had to
cut on his eye with a big old not on
his eye her finger. Oh, man, don't be disrespected like
that again at home. Yeah, she beat because she was

(37:19):
up so nice she did. Man. So no, it's it's
the fun part of the show man. Before we get
into the high five, I want to tell you something.
You know right now, you've been on you know, different podcasts,
different you know shows, and different you know outlets. Can
you talk about some of those outlets that you have
been on wading Uh, I've been on Swaying Like you said,

(37:42):
good dude, have me out there. I went out there
for my birthday, so I did sway Karen hung on
my birthday. Um, which was dope, like, why are you
hearing your birthday? I'm like, man, I gotta spread the
world whatever day it is. So I was great. Um,
I've been on because I feel like if I'm not
willing to come on my birthday, that's being stagnant, Like
I really need to get this message out there to
as many people as possible. So again, it's an honor
pleasant for me to be here, but I've done them

(38:05):
this year. I've been for Forbes give me a feature
on four twenty at four twenty with a Warren Barbro,
the dude. I met him when I was in New
York as well. Um, I did Black Enterprise recently. UM,
I'm doing Cannabis Talk one on one right now. I'm
doing Fox Soul next week. They reached out. I've just

(38:26):
been I've just been whoever run y'all emails, I've seen email.
I get up every morning at five and say my
bio to somebody, and I'm just persistent and you know,
trying to get the message out there. So now, how
long have you been doing all these interviews? And it's
something that kind of just happened or did it happen
to around you know, when you first opened in November
or it finally it's kind of starting to head. Oh

(38:48):
so when we first opened, before we're open and people
called wind that we were spinning open. People are kind
of like getting England. But once we opened, we had
our local coverage and it was just for me. I'm
our marketing department. So I tried to think of ways
I can market without spend a lot of money because
we don't have a lot of money. Believe or not.
Everybody think we're rich or we're not. Um So I

(39:09):
tried to think of ways to market without spending money
and ask me, so if I got to get on
the plane to go meet somebody to go interview to
get your bio together? Um, I forgot who was I
was talking to. Um Oh Erica Diaz, she does something
called a Table of twenty and she was like, semio bio.
She honored me and one of her events and had
never met before anything, and I was like, I don't

(39:29):
have a bio. Let me get a bio. And that
was um in uh like the beginning of two thousand
nineteen and I've just been on ever since. I feel
like if I haven't sent my bio to five outlets
I'm lagging because I need to be on everything that
that will allow me to be on you know what
I mean. So props the I Heart Radio for you know,
allowing y'all to do that. Because my brother works for

(39:50):
my Heart and at came Yale and he couldn't do nothing.
All he could do was mention us on air. But
when I see I Heart, I'm like, dude, times are changing.
So I'm just like I said, I'm honored media. It's
not new to me because I used to be a
rapper and I used to be on stage a lot.
I used to throw parties in openand like you know,
Joe said, I've been around, but I don't mind sharing knowledge.

(40:12):
So if that means I gotta be the spokesperson for
my store, yeah that's pre promotion. I don't have to
pay me, So yeah, man, I used to love going
to Open back in the days. When I go to
East Fourteenth and I go to Flints Barbecue, you know,
boy oh boy, we would believe high school to go
get your slab fl barbecue store. If people have no idea,

(40:36):
I mean they got everything Jones out there, but Flints Barbecue.
That's the old is the one is the one Chucky.
Let's get a little flow real quick. We want let's
hear it flow like you're on the fourteen hanging out. Dude,
I do all right. I put on the spot to
wrap all right. Let me see, let me see, let
me see, we need to do it. We got all right.

(41:00):
I've been to weed man twenty four and counting big bags.
That's your baby mom about me. You're mad and that's
really not shocking. LTD in front of nanny house, clean
as fuck, knocking. You claim you blowing good, but all
I smell is gelato. That ship has watered down like
an off brand Moscotto. I've been blowing good since the
Red Fence days, Real life Green Forward Zip then plays

(41:21):
a hunting made the dose by the Weish by me
and Bert had a rolling bus in hell of knots
in me a twin. If you wanted to for a team,
just gotta go from Veho. I stay ready to spend.
It never ends. I got a legal turf. Now it's
full circle. Got niggas like wow, everybody want to ask
me how, But I just kept path walking man, because
that's my style. And I'll leave you very nice fire

(41:48):
right there before we get to the high five. I
want to get your thoughts on black ownership in cannabis.
What are your thoughts on that? Overall, it's vital, um,
it's necessary, arry Um. It's a lot of us out there,
and so we all have to get a network together
and link up with each other so we know who
we are and where we are within the space. But

(42:10):
it's vital. No disrespect to any other race, but Negroes
are the cannabis space. We set the trends, we set
the prices. We everybody want to wear the weed stuff
or do the weed. We got our white you know,
our white friends that do our do they thing, you know,
but black people run the space, and we're not representing
this space well at all. And we're out here, but
we just got to, you know, it's bottle that we

(42:32):
speak up and you know, be willing to show that
we are successful and can be successful in the space,
in a space that we should run. But they want
us to. I feel like it's even more minority said,
I really look at a lot of the farmers if
you look back in the day too, you know, even
watching some of the old cartel stuff when it went
from growing cocaine like well and ironically ready for this.

(42:59):
I find who grew up the same way as you
Blue guy in the game because his dad was growing
and selling as well. So everything you were describing Booze
just sitting there going and we've heard the story very
very sad and weed, so we it's just the same concept.
But my point is you look at the Latins, you know,
they used to they were growing it out in Mexico.

(43:19):
They're growing here, the big old bricks of it. And
then you know, of course the African American community is
heavy into it too, but it's a more minority base.
And I do be having to correct myself on that.
Sometimes I'm not saying that everything should be black, it
should be black and brown, not like I said. I
have had to correct myself on that because we are.
But the people who you see as the space aren't

(43:42):
either black or brown. And that's the problem. No, I
think it's you said it right though, because you know,
the question was towards you know, black minority owned businesses,
and so you're referring to your culture, you know. And
I have to agree with you, though, is my my father,
you know, was was very similar to yours, Like he
went to work every day. He was a postal service,
he was in the Union, you know, a military, you

(44:04):
know a navy, you know, so heat heat. But he
always said I'm gonna work, and and then on top
of that, make it my side hustle. It wasn't just
my hustle, you know. And I think that's the separation
between some of us that understand more of the business
side of it versus just the street side of it,
and a lot of people that are that are in
our communities, they only know the street side of it,

(44:26):
or they kind of know this other side of it,
whereas someone like ourselves, we were kind of brought up with, hey,
it's still gotta work, you still gotta hustle. And now
that it becomes work, now it is the work and
the hustle, and so it's a little more you know,
easier for us to get into the industry. And that's
money to make, because that's money to make. Yeah, this
is why I stuff like this is important, just talking

(44:48):
in the podcast and interviewing and getting the word out
because people can see if there are people that look
like them, talk like them, dressed like them, and act
like I got suits and ties and all that can
do all that got the for doors. I used to
sell we in a for door with shoes that made
noise at the bottom. Like I used to go to
the turf dress like I was going to a goddamn club.
So you can talk to me like people need to

(45:11):
see people like them and could be like, damn, well
if he can do what I can do it, Yeah,
Like that's what that's what needs to be shown. It's
not just a corporate, you know, white person that's doing
a successful cannabis space. You've got the ol Harrington's you
know what I'm saying. You got the Hope wise man,
you got the knees, you know what I mean. So
it's like you can do it. It's just the funny

(45:32):
thing is most of those corporate white guys who are
coming in aren't lasting very long. Well, they're spending a lot,
going crazy. I've been telling you, madman, spending way too
much money and they're doing way too much. You don't
want to listen to me, I think, um, And you
know it's not nothing against them, because I wish everybody.
I wish everybody's successful, money for everybody, but high time

(45:54):
trying to buy out all these clubs. Why, Like, I
don't think it's gonna happen. Well, the video didn't go through.
They've been trying to buy all those sixteen farms, seventeen
dispensaries and this and that. It's just like, jeez, what
do you just read something today? I didn't read the
whole article, but I did something did I did read
something about high times? I think up in Oakland maybe
a few of the stores they were gonna buy is

(46:14):
in trouble now because of their corporate structure and their
ownership changes and and I don't know. I haven't dealt
with Oakland's regulations yet. We don't have a client in
that area as far as storefronts go, so I don't
know what they read into. But the whole things on
paper stock options, which who knows what they're even gonna
be whatever. Basically, um, they have bs b S paperworking

(46:37):
practices and like you said, the ownership changes, and the
thing is the eputy program. We are currently there supposed
to be four equity dispensaries open before they just did
the most recent drawing. We're the only one open. So
did the other one sail their licenses? Did they? Are
they trying to get places and haven't happy yet. We're
talking about we've been open two years, we've had the
license since the beginning of eighteen, How are no none

(46:58):
of the other ones open? So they run into that
because one of the screenstries they were trying to buy
was one of the ones were an equity owner gave
or whatever his license or whatever they had going on
to have a heart. But I don't know if it's
open yet. One and then two does that make it
still a social equity against the rule? Because I was
it against the rules because in l A they're trying

(47:20):
to do all kinds of ship sideways with these corporations.
But at the end of the day when they come
into my office and I look at the regulations, but
you can't do that. I don't care what your lawyer
says or the other lawyer thinks he can do work around.
You want to have a second set of documents really
like not I don't want to work around Like dude,
put it in black and white. Let's sign you can't
do that. Three to five your term and let's go

(47:42):
get money. But you gotta have education to be able
to have some conversation. What we're with Tucky blunts from
Blunts and more Oakland, California, and it is time for
the High five. Were gonna give these five? Brother you ready?
Question number one? Ready? I know you said you started young,
but how old are the first time you smoked weed?
And where'd you get it from? In the town thirteen?

(48:05):
And I got it from we were at a like
a graduation party, but like middle school. And one of
my homeboys has some weed, probably got from one of
his brothers. That's always good. What is your favorite way
to use cannabis? I prefer to roll up a nice
five two grams with a little bit of a little

(48:27):
bit of wax or something only shout out to burn.
Um good dude, we've had a good talk working on
some good ship. But um yeah, I like I'm old school.
I used to like to roll like Swishers, But once
I got the little roller, the cookies roller, and I
can roll a joint. Give me papers all day vibes.
Question number three of the High five. Craziest place you've
ever used or smoked cannabis? My dispensary. We were closed,

(48:52):
but to be able to smoke at my legal turf. Yeah,
that's crazy to me. Congratulation really is that had to
be one of those good feelings like you were just
about to lie, Like, what the fun we are? I
went to jail when I was a kid. This is that?
That's what's your code? Like I'm thirteen blocks from where

(49:14):
I called my case. I'm in the same zio I
called my case in and then right back to the pole.
But y'all gotta hear this. Ogland got beat up all
the ship with all the break ins, all blah blah
blah blah. So we've been on the phone with police
all the different experence we owners. The cop who was
leading the investigation on trying to cancel everything and stop
all the stuff is the same cop who arrested me,

(49:35):
and you're working with him, and he, man, what can
we do a fon Joe? How can we help? How
can we get this start? You're like, motherfucker? You know
how you can? You send him a box to chocolate
because if he hadn't gotten that case gotten arrested me.
But we've talked about that. But that just goes to
show like this all, even talking to y'all at this
time on this day, everything was meant to following place

(49:57):
and was meant to falling place. Being number four of
the high five with Tucky Blunt, a k a owner
of blunts and more. Question number four, what is your
go to munchies after you get high? A warm honey
bun and some nestly quick starberry milk. That just takes
me back to jail. When you say honey bun, I

(50:20):
feel like I'm in red Wood City, A big giant
honey bun warm, you just leave the hole, just egg
little pieces that just are good. And number five, if
you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who
would it be? My grandmother the first person whoever took
me to a cannabis dispensary. She tell us that story.

(50:42):
What do you mean? I gotta hear? At nineteen I
used to always take my granning around around her errands.
That my granning right here, se um, she hurt. My
dispensary is about five blocks in her house, same street,
but about the five blocks of difference. But one of
her errands to take me to a store. When I
pulled up nineteenth the telegraph downtown Opland, came out with

(51:04):
a white bag. I'm like, what's that? Grain? Is? She
like as weed? I'm like you I mean she smoked.
We all you know, I'm like, you bought weed out
of a store. She said, yeah, I saw I want
one of these, and this was and I started working
at my first dispensary at the end of ninety nine.
But I told her then I wanted to dispensary. Never
knew this would happened, but he would love to smoke
with drum with her right now in my parking lot.

(51:25):
Your grandma, your first dispensary, illegal dispensery. But still that's great. Great.
Did you see grandma smoking weed or you just knew
her smoking weed? Yeah? No, d every like when they
had parties and cookouts and stuff at the house and
they're playing dominoes. I'm peeping through the thing. They're just smoking.
She liked to run her papers. She grew weed before. Like, yeah, no,
weed is prevalent in my in my family. So I

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guess Bloody Blunt was the perfect last name. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
tacky man, we want to thank you for being on
Cannabis Talk one on one and uh, you know, we
do appreciate you and we're supporters of you. Anything else
Before we get out of here, the man just shout
out to the Hull Cannabis Space. Shout out to everybody
that's uh been working with. Shout to wed Mapp, They've

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been really helpful stuff I've been trying to do. Shout
out to you guys for having me um and then
just eating that. Y'all ever need from me, mean you
to talk. You helped me me to I'm here. We'll
be a open when you come to l A. Make
sure you touch based us and Craig can probably touch
Based him. You're gonna get sure, I'm gonna get your number.

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Will cut basing some of that stuff. Yep, man, Thank
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