The Humboldt Seed Company.

Nathaniel Pennington Founder and CEO at the Humboldt Seed Company & Halie Pennington, the Product Executive talk all about strain development and seed production. Check out the Website Humboldtseedcompany.com on IG @thehumboldtseedcompany 

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(01:05):
way from the Triangle. I mean, you know, we talk
about it blue like the humble. This the humble that
we always give praise and worship to where the best
weed comes from you, I mean the best cannabis. I'm
from the Bay Area folks, born and raised in San Jose,
and when I got a hold of some humble, you

(01:25):
just knew what it was. And it's a it's a
pleasure to have Nate Pennington, the founder and CEO of
Humble Seed Company where they do strain development and seed production. Now.
Nat has been breeding cannabis and working to restore rivers
and salmon populations in Noble County for over twenty years,
which is a nice little thing that he's done. That

(01:46):
his daughter pointed out for us and let us know
about what's he's he's doing to society, which I love
the well heys because he's helping society right, Because when
I read that, it was such an obscure fact of
your life that I was really impressed and happy to
hear something like that, because we're gonna touch on that
when when we start talking to you a little bit

(02:07):
about that, and as you've been doing that for over
twenty years. We also have his daughter, the young and beautiful,
talented Hailey Pennington Penny the product executive at Humbolt Seed Company,
and she knows. She's been involved in all facets of
the business. It's the beginning learning about breeding seeds from
her father. She now helps to identify the strains of

(02:29):
the future. I'm sure this is gonna be so interesting
to hear how this happened. Check out their website, you guys,
Humbolt Seed Company dot com. That's h U M B
O L D T S E E D C O
M P A n Y dot com. On Instagram, the
Humbolt Seed Company right there. Get it up for him,
you guys. The Pennington's are in the building. I mean,

(02:51):
let alone, the last name Pennington. It just has this
royal feel. Exactly, thank you you stand up like that,
exactly you did exactly what I felt in my head.
The Penny tins. It feels like that one TV show
that's on Netflix. Some the penning tents? Is it the
penny tins? It might Eve need the penny tins, But
I feel like dressed in all royalty and all this

(03:12):
and that. But welcome you guys. And you know we
say this with all the respect like we believe and
Blue and I have said this too many guests and
everybody listening to this show that you know, Humble is
where the true best comes from. And you guys are
out there pushing out seeds for people to grow the best. So, Nate,

(03:36):
how did you come up with this company? How did
you find this? I mean, the best weeds grown around you.
Now you say I'm going to do seeds out there, Well,
let's do this. Let me just dive in real quick, Joe,
because I want to jump in and just say where
does it start? Right? Because you know we we know
offline right that it's it's a family thing. You've been
in the the the woods, if you will, of Humble

(04:00):
doing what you do. Where does that all start from? Well?
So I moved out here, so Hallie and Nat and
we moved out to Humble and not Hallian moved not Halian.
Not like a few times at least that sounds like
that Nat like halle Berry. Yeah, not Haley, but you

(04:24):
gotta go to the mics, she was. I keep telling
him that we need a Hallie's Berry Strange. Yes, you
know what he said. He was too worried that he
gets our Our attorneys were like, she'll come after your ass,
and I mean, I don't have nothing to and I
instead or something that's I said that too, and they
were like, no, it's not a good idea. And I

(04:45):
didn't really believe him, and then they came back to me.
My other one. I wanted to name a strange, but
your daughter's name is Hallie though it actually if you
name it Hallie and it's a Berry Strand and l
I e Mary. I think we have some of the
best attorneys, like fellectual property attorneys in the country for weed,

(05:09):
and they're fucking smart. And we actually got uh, well
we didn't quite get sued, but we got cease and
assisted by her. She's recently for something and so we've
kind of learned that you got to be actually pretty
cautious and pretty on because you put all this energy
into Like we we had this strain it was I
named it Jelly Rancher, and it was literally on a

(05:30):
picture of like a Rancher looking over at the neighbor's
big gass, beautiful weed plan and he was jealous. So
it was like this play on. It was obviously a
playoff Jolly Rancher too, but they was honest like that
did did did? Jolly Rancher said anything to you, that's her,

(05:50):
that's her, She's welcome to the show. I don't know
they were together. I didn't know they were taking my
fat cards. It kind of hurt because I grew up
going to Hershey party like I grew up Hershey, Pennsylvania.
It was near you gotta grab the mic, won't even
hear you back there. That's all right, put in your

(06:11):
lap there is. It's a cool look. It's a good look.
Yeah yeah, so break down the story up tight one
But anyway, um so, yeah, I you know, back to Hershey,
and I grew up in New York and Philadelphia, but
I moved to Humball when I was eighteen years old,

(06:33):
so I kind of just be lined it out here.
It wasn't well like weed was a part of it,
but it wasn't that. It was just like I needed
to get out of Metropolitan you know, the city east coast.
It was just pretty brotherly love there. I mean New
York's was wild and I would probably would have ended

(06:54):
up gotten getting in trouble and and Philly was even
kind of more wild in a way. And so it
just kind of had to do it and ended up
out in Humble, fell in love with the place, and
you know, the rest is history, of course. But um,
back to like the whole science thing. I did get

(07:14):
involved with doing salmon research and really ended up self
educating for the most part. I wrote grants for a
nonprofit group for four or five years. Um. One of
the crowning achievements of that grant writing I was actually
nine years and I ran the whole program. But um,
I ended up getting I ended up getting funded to

(07:38):
do genetics research study with a group of professors, and
so we did kind of quickly got into into genomics
and population and so all the cannabis stuff that I
do kind of it's it's all super you know, it's science.
It's like really science mixed with kind of being like

(08:01):
the Somalia or growing up were you like, did you
come out here at eighteen and went to college and
became thisiology because hippie, you know what I mean, Like
I I liked fucking Dr Dre and Snoop also like
The Grateful Dead a little bit, and it was like
that was the that was how I rolled, And so

(08:22):
it was kind of natural if you were in Humble
the culture was to growerb and not just like stockpile
loads of cash like I think some people kind of
assume that that was what was happening, but in some
cases maybe, but a lot of the time people were
really just giving back to the community and being really
involved with the community. So there was a really uh,

(08:45):
you know, philanthropy, you know, a circular community with weed.
And my wife works an environmental group still and she
has stories about how, you know, growers would come down
off the hill and they didn't even want to be identified.
They pop into the um she worked where, you know,
they did the Julia Butterfly like to say, the redwood

(09:07):
thing that kind of got pretty famous for a while.
And Woody Harrelson, you remember when he locked himself to
the Golden gate Bridge stopped logging and stuff like that.
So that was her, right, yeah, late nineties, that was
her organization, and Hallie's mom too, that's kind of how
Hallie's mom and I met. I was gonna say, you
kind of lost over the week we didn't last I

(09:32):
like to, I like to, you know, I take a
little credit for the whole fruition of his path in
the cannabis and the seed company, because at the end
of the day, I don't think he was quite as
worried about money until you know, I can go along. Yeah,
And I never really did it so much for the money,
which is why, like I also was breeding the seeds

(09:55):
for out of the you know, like loving it just
like so interesting for me to do do that and
have that deeper layer in with the weed than just
you know, let me grow a million pounds of ogent
cush and And don't get me wrong, I love fucking
smoken o g cush and that. But to me, it

(10:16):
was really boring to just always have the same thing
and not be in control of that. So and also
part of it was just so that I had something
for sure to grow with the next year, because like
how he said, she was zero and one and two
and um, there was no such thing as a cannabis nursery.

(10:37):
There was you know, seeds were like you sent money
to obscure place in Canada, you know with you know
some of what you said it earlier. Today it's on
the tip of the ASDA. You can get them from Amsterdam, right,
It's been from the Nancy Seeds and got it the

(10:59):
guy and in h BC two And I don't know
why I can't remember his name, but Neville was one
of the guys back then. And but that wasn't you
never knew when customers was going to grab it or whatever.
So to me, it was just like, I'm gonna make
my own seeds, so I have the best of you know,
the always just take the best of what came out

(11:20):
of the last year and make sure I've read with that.
So how many years have you been carrying the seeds? Like,
you know, some of the seeds you know easily go
back to n I would say, And those were the
first couple of years where I was really collecting genetics
and mixing them. And back then, I mean, strains didn't

(11:45):
even always have like most of them didn't even have names,
you know, like this is the seeds that came from
you know, this river watershed, you know, this part of
Cali or this part of southern Oregon or whatever. I
feel like you, you and your daughter have a great relationship.
It's good to see, right at least it seems like today,

(12:06):
at least moment, right now, today you're having a good day. Right, Well,
that's didn't fly in together, so it's a great How
how do you hale? Okay, so yeah, you're still got
a little ways to go. Um. But but at you know, seventeen,
it's just it's a harder to deal with the kids, right.
I feel like because they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, they know everything.

(12:27):
She was a dream child from you know, zero until
she was thirteen, and she was like when she's thirteen.
But it was all good, you know, like we worked
through it and you know, to get her out of
bed to go to school. Sometimes it was just like

(12:47):
the ankles and yeah, if you have to go to class.
Yeah yeah, I mean I may be a daddy's girl,
but you know, he definitely was never too easy on me.
There was quite a lot of days where he was like,
you better get your brought up and go to school.
Yeah you get your I mean you look back at it, honestly, yeah,

(13:07):
I mean I'm at this point, I'm very grateful that.
You know. Of course he was strict where that I
needed to stay in check, even if I smoked a
little weed here and there, whatever it was. You know,
he made sure that I stayed on my ship. Yeah,
he's always the least I would hope that it's like
the least of parents concerns in this modern time that

(13:29):
we live in, because there's so many things out there
that are just obviously I'm preaching to the choir right now. Well,
you know it's funny, but you're not to to the
rest of people listening. I mean to us. You know,
we we we understand it, you know, and I've been
through a lot of it, and it's a family thing.
And one of the things that you know, we were
talking about off off air was you know that that

(13:50):
magical plant or that what do you call it, the
magic plant from school, you know whatever, the special secret plan,
secret plan. Yeah, the secret plant that people would talk
about at school, and and you know, it's it's one
of those things I think that that if you come
from a family that that where cannabis was not illegal
in your home as a child, you know, you well,

(14:11):
in today's day and age, maybe it's it's gonna be different,
for sure. But for us growing up, it was like, oh,
we have to you know, hide this right. It was
like a whole thing. But when I was able to
get to a certain age, I go to Humble and
I would I went out there to visit some friends,
probably to pick up some cannabis, you know, some weed
or whatever. I went out there. I'm gonna grab some
some pounds and bring him down. I would go up there,

(14:33):
and at first it was like, met my boy's house
and he's just like, oh, the master bedroom full on grow,
the garage full on grow. And then I'm like sitting
at his house and he's got the door open. I'm like, dude,
your doors open, bro, Like you know, like it's lit up.
It's and then and I look across the street and
I'm like, ship, their house is lit up too. You know,
it's not even December, it was. It was it was

(14:54):
like it was like the whole freaking neighborhood was lit up,
you know, and that that community like if don't know,
if you've never spent time down there, and and just
Northern Call in general, not you know, everywhere, but like
the little areas where they're growing, it's like a whole
like thing, like it's not even a big deal. It
wasn't even a big deal in in the nineties or
maybe like nineties, but like two thousands or you know,

(15:15):
early two thousands or whatever. You know, it was kind
of like I felt like, damn, everybody here's growing, you know,
and it wasn't It wasn't a big deal until camp
showed up and then we were all running and screaming
into the bushes. Correct thing. Like one of my first memories. Honestly,
it was like telling telling my dad, I think was
it that I heard a helicopter. I don't even know

(15:35):
what it was, but I remember running into the field
and I knew that I was supposed to warn them
about like certain things. Maybe it was someone coming down
the road, but either way, I just remember running over
and I was probably like three or four, and I
booked it and I warned them, and next thing you know,
they like, we're stashing plants in the bushes. You know,
I'm pretty sure I might have sleaved the day I tried. Yeah,

(15:58):
it's gonna be weird, you know, when when you grew
up that way, especially with your children, and it's just
part of like with blue being that way too, but
being in humble, did you have a huge outside grow. Yeah, yeah,
every single year for the last thirty pretty much close
to thirty years now we've had I would say, what

(16:19):
they certainly haven't missed a year. A pretty big garden,
you know, farm crazy thing to me at least, was like, yeah,
I mean it's not just weed that we grow. He's
always had a farm. We've always been gardeners, and so
like at the end of the day, kind of all
blended together. We would do, you know, a big crop
of tomatoes, corn? We do. It's you know, he his

(16:42):
classic favorite is the corn and garlic combo because you
can use the beds full year round. Basically, I mean
it's like the corn grows all summer and then we
plant our garlic right before the winter, and then we
pull that out right before we plant our corn again,
and so it's like a on serrante. Would you guys
sell that or just it was really all about it

(17:03):
was all about feeding trimmers basically trim parties and stuff.
Really corn and we're making some shepherd's pie again of
the pato sauces. Yeah, the endless corn on the cob
all summer was fun. You know, it kept it kind
of like homie too that way it was, you know,

(17:27):
not just like some random freaking here's another ten to journos.
You guys go at it. You know, they at least
mix it up. We definitely had nights where it was it. Yeah,
it's nice to mix it up and have some home
home cooking and yeah, we were always into cultivating things.

(17:47):
It's it's pretty fun. And when you have a space
like that where you got a beautiful uh climate like
we do in Humble, you know, you just got to
do it. It's like speaking to you. You know, it
tells you it's not distraction, it's a hobby and it
helps you refine in a way your weed cultivation skills

(18:07):
as well, because you know it's you learn from the
different plants because you can see from how it affects them.
You wouldn't necessarily know it's affectingly the weed, but it
is or whatever and stuff like that. Obviously, I want
to hear about the first like horrible crop you had,

(18:27):
like that one that was the very worst worst one
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that horrible crop your daughter's going. I don't know if

(19:11):
there was ever a horrible one. The beauties in the
eye of the bolder right now, but um, the worst
devastating crop that I ever saw was this one that
I had been growing for years. I had carried her
on a baby backpath to get to it. It was
like ten miles in the middle of nowhere in the wilderness,

(19:35):
and I knew that they had been buzzing around in
the helicopters that you don't know whether it's gonna be there,
And I went it was crazy. I had like note
this almost it was like a tunnel by the time
I finished the whole thing, and I wasn't bringing her anymore.
But um, because she was six or whatever, but but

(19:55):
when I first constructed it, it was I ended up
making this like long tunnel that you would kind of
like that. It was like the deer and stuff wouldn't
really naturally go in there because you had that. And
like Critter, this is how you know, when we all
grew uh, we called a guerrilla style in the woods.
You know back then it was like do you had
tricks like this? But um, you couldn't see it and

(20:19):
went and essentially I'm coming through my little trail and
get it around this corner and all I can see
ahead of me is just this field of stumps. And
I was just like, oh, they fucking got me. It
was you know, my heart dropped the stomach and it
was just like, oh my god. And and like all

(20:39):
I did was just turning. You booked it out if
they were still there waiting for you or something, or
they had these like little trail cams that they would
like to use and stuff like that. My biggest year
was to not be a part of your child that

(21:01):
was like my like at the part of I was like,
I love doing this, this is awesome. It's like helping
me get by. I was that a normal job to
whatever you call that but like the fish Bology show
like that, you know, right in grants. But um, you know,
cannabis opened many, many, many doors, and so well as

(21:23):
you did that and you walked in there ten miles,
paint the picture for me where a lot of the locals,
I'm sure all had those ten miles in the forest, right,
how would you guys distinguished like that's yours, this is
mine that you know what I'm saying, Like, no, that's
mine too, motherfucker. I mean, like, how would you guys
break that down when you're ten miles into the forest. Yeah,

(21:48):
that kind of stuff happened a lot, and it never
happened to me, knock on wood, But like I heard
a lot of friends like had especially you do remember
when um was it Rio and Matteias and Mike found
their dad's garden and like they thought that they were

(22:11):
slick and they were like, we found some you know,
out of towners grow and we totally harvested all their flower.
And uh, four or five days later, their parents come
back from the little hike in the woods and they're like, God,
damn it, somebody got our freaking crop. And then then
literally their own. But they were kids they were like

(22:35):
seventeen eighteen at the time. But anyway, and they were
out there, they were really just scouting for the next year.
And um, but yeah, that kind of stuff happened. So
how did you distinguish There was really no distinguishing, and
sometimes those kind of snaphoos happened. I just knew that
within my case, it was definitely camp because just the

(22:58):
way that it was cut like that, and the way
that it was I mean, the fact that they had
been flying in the area recently and you knew you
knew it was it was really cut. Yeah, something that
that the the boys got it, you know, it wasn't
the locals that went in there or somebody else. And
they would always hype it up too. That was really

(23:20):
the big only big one me. But um, they would
hype it up. And I felt like they majorly hyped
it up because they would report, you know, all we
got so so and so many pounds out of their
plants or whatever. I was like, I knew how many
plants there were there. There was not a thousand, Like

(23:42):
what do you that was crazy? There wasn't thousand. It
wasn't just for like the newspapers, you know, it's for
the local preper propaganda to make it look worse than
it is, for their budget for the next year, and
you know it is what it is, like they got
a bigger budget next year to go out there and
find more. I was just like, you know, they weren't
really ever going after people by that time too much,

(24:05):
also because it was the crossover of proposition to fifteen,
which by then I had my medical and I was
doing that. But it was just like for me, there
was also like this investment in having these amazing places
that were sort of like your special place that and

(24:27):
so but you know, it didn't take long before it
was just silly to try to do that anymore because
we were legitimizing and that was kind of obvious. And
you know, of the things that are nice that came
out of cannabis being legal and all that, that's that's
a big one and obviously is not having to you know,

(24:51):
stuck and hide so much at all or at all
really and the company the company right like, how does
how does that become born? And and you know, where
does someone get seeds and from you guys? And how
does that work right for you? Um? So I went down,
you know, I had been breeding seeds forever, uh, you know,

(25:15):
after when Hallie's mom and I weren't together. There was
a girlfriend at the time. I remember her specifically saying
to me, dude, like every January February March, there's people
coming from all over Humble, all over the neighborhood and
they're wanting to get your seeds and you just give

(25:37):
them to and and like all you ever do is say, oh,
just bring up a couple of beers, you know, bring whatever,
bring some something to share, and I'll share my seeds.
And she was like, stop just doing the beer, start
of the be but she was like, you gotta sell
these things, like you're crazy, what are you doing? And um,

(26:01):
so yeah. I went down to the to the local
Humble County courthouse and said, is there a Humboldt Seed
company in existence? And the lady looked through the database. No,
And I said, all right, what applying for a business
license right now? And that's that's what I am. And
she's like, well, what kind of stuff do you I
was like, oh, vegetable seeds. And because it was way

(26:27):
before anybody was branding anything Humble with like a business need,
like you know, cannabis humble, Yeah, yeah, there was none. No,
you don't need a license for for for seeds though, right,
you need a normal business. Do you guys carry any
like licensing, grow licenses or anything. Oh yeah, no, we

(26:48):
have grocery license, we have state go ahead to make
the seed. We have to obs grow at the plants.
So it's a little bit of a like, you know,
a conundrum because technically you could argue, yeah, a learned
Harry company could avoid the whole licensing thing. But at
the same time, like, how are we going to get
away with really operating the massive amount of breeding chambers

(27:10):
we have going constantly and not have a permit at
that time so you can carry it up then they
would just you know, basically is like a regular group there.
You know, they're like, what are you guys doing? Right,
They're gonna bust you. So many lines we have too
many and we have five in California. We have cultivation, cultivation, nursery, nursery,

(27:34):
and a distribution license. But like Hallie said, you like
you could do it without, but you couldn't do it
very well. It's kind of you can't do it big,
you can't. You know. The reason that we have these
licenses is because we can you know, distribute seeds to

(27:57):
a farm like you know, lately we've been playing with
the Casa floor guys. They're so off. They have Yolo
County thousands of plants, Mendocino County they got you know,
acres and thousands of plants, and they also share a
passion for seed and breeding and so you know, every

(28:19):
year we're down there, we have these pheno hunts. We
kind of I feel like pioneered the massive pheno hunt
concept in two thousands, seventeen eighteen when we did the
when we did the phenotype Mega Hunt we called it,
and it was basically we looked at ten thousand plants
grown from our seeds. Um we had you know, a

(28:41):
farm had two thousand, another farm had three thousand. So
we basically had four, four or five farms that were
major participants. And we my daughter actually this is like
one of the most amazing things that she's done, and
most she's not a many amazing things actually she's done.

(29:05):
But yeah, I did take about I think fifteen thousand
clones that year, because you know, you take doubles on
some especially if it's the one that you have a
really good feeling about and you know, there are ways
to kind of get the vibe of a plant, like
before it's in flower. Of course, you can tell if
something's mutating and has terrible structure, and you can always
you know, rub the stock and sniff it. And so

(29:27):
you know, i'd go through and do that and trying
to do a little bit of a process of elimination
in the veg stage. But you know, and then next thing,
you know, we have to keep them alive too. It's
the hard Yeah, it's taking them, but keeping those all alive,
taking all the clones, and then at the end of
the day, like I think we kept you know, maybe

(29:49):
twenty five of them. Wow, than you only kept twenty five.
There's a lot of research, and you know, it was
it was pretty hilarious for me after like months of
dealing with these things to go in and just like
snap the necks of like you know, like nine thousand

(30:11):
clones all in one go. No, I mean, we didn't
get the doubles, so it was more like, yeah, we're
just getting rid of all of the express there that
you know, we do that every year still, so you
still right now, but it's not quite that big of
a scale. Is there more women involved doing this? I mean,
your father brings you into this. I'm sure you have
to be a pioneer out there, is you know, a

(30:32):
second generation from your dad and you know, twenty three
year old, young beautiful woman up there going, are you
just this woman that everyone's going, hey, teach us, teach us.
I mean, I definitely think that it does bring a
bit more attention, like being a woman in the industry.
But at the same time, for me, at least growing
up in humblet like there's always been female leaders and

(30:55):
female pioneers in the industry. I mean my school teacher
growing up, she grew our company's seats every year, and
you know, she would come pick out her plants from
my dad every season and I loved her to death.
And so for me, I was always surrounded by like
an amazing community of women that love cannabis and cultivated
mostly for plant medicine, to be honest, like, at the

(31:17):
end of the day, there's nothing better for your cramps
than smoking a dubi. So you know, it definitely was
like inspiring for me to have that surrounding. I know
that in the industry, it's like, you know, it's definitely
a little tough. There's some you know, misogyny and some
like stigmas around the female role. But at the same time,

(31:39):
there's a lot of people who like really respected that,
you know, women belong here with this plant, like we're
cultivating a female plant. We're selecting for this female line
every time, and so you know, we have this connection
automatically and at the end of the day, like you know, ladies,
ladies belong in the garden. We grow the best weed.
I think. You know, there's a lot of women that

(32:02):
do garden, that's for sure, you know, and if you
think about it, you know nationwide or you know, globally,
I'm sure, um, you know, so what is it natural? Though,
I'll just I gotta interject that that she picked up
on the science behind it really like just doing those cuttings.
You know, it's I think she saw one year where

(32:23):
I fucked up and I you know, it wasn't positive
that the clone was the correlation to the plant that
was my favorite plant of the years. So of course,
you know, that's the whole point of female honey. You
keep just clones. So you've got to and ledge when
you see that one out of a thousand or one
out of ten thousand, you're like, all right, this is

(32:45):
you know, code number one and thirty one cf blah
blah blah. And then you go and you find that
in the tray and you're like, there it is, and
you've got to be sure. And there was one here
where I I screwed myself. I wasn't and we ended
up having to go. I spent a couple of grand
doing DNA tests to make sure that it was the

(33:08):
same one. So like you know, it took out the
DNA of this one and this one and this one
in the tray, and I knew the DNA of the
one that was sucking beautiful in the field. So you
gotta match how many how many different companies you guys
service right now? That's a really hard question. I can't
even name every state we have a branch in right

(33:29):
now off the top of my thousands of we've we've
really I mean gus to take the time to go
and collect you know, honestly, is it has to be
a kind of a special situation. They have to cultivate
it in a mannerism that goes along with you know,

(33:51):
what we like to see and what's going to present
the quality that we're looking for, Like, you know, there's
a lot of factors that go into He named Casaflora
is somebody that we really enjoyed hunting us lately, and
you know, they're just really passionate about That's why you
like some the tacos. They feed us. I mean they're
they're hilarious, they feed us. They're an amazing, super, super

(34:14):
loving fun family. But also they grow the most beautiful,
like uniform rows of these huge plants. And so we
got to go through there and it's like, you know,
for us to do the videoography and bring a crew
down and show all those off and you know, have
people come select with us because we like to make
it a trip. It's like, we give you guys little

(34:34):
slices of video. Can't wait to everything. I want to
come down there and walk through it with our crews,
to take all our cameras out there. The voiceover part
right here blindfold us. Well, that was the mom and
she's like the coolest lady ever. And they came here

(34:56):
from Mexico. I don't remember what your hundred years ago
hundred years ago in a wagon and they brought the
seeds that they had in the cannabis seeds at the time,
Mexico to Sacramento, and you know they so they have
like super ingrained. She's she's like, my grandma use this

(35:17):
as a poultice. And it was pretty much like what
it was. And you know, you go down to Mexico,
you see a lot of that because it's like it
was a really common thing to like use. We used
to put it in the alcohol. I didn't realize it
until I got older, that my mom would get cannabis
and put it literally in our rubbing alcohol. And we
were using CBD before it was known as CBD, before

(35:39):
I was before I knew about Humble or Northern California.
I mean I knew about you know, we come into
the harbor and my friends pulling it in and at
night they'd be out there, you know, running boats from
Catalina into you know, Pedro or Long Beach or wherever
and literally backing up trucks and loading stuff up. And

(36:00):
it's just like and and a lot of them actually
went went to prison for it, you know, and some
of them just recently surfaced out. I mean, like like
and I and I always tell people it's like don't
forget like you know, Mexico, Mexican, like straight putting weed
on the map, dude, like in a major way, Like
a lot of people. I've walked in my my my

(36:21):
dad's you know house, you know, when I was young
and and and being like just seem you know, bricks everywhere, dude,
you know what I mean and just going to oh,
yeah this is you know, this is it? You know.
And that was for the poultice. Yeah, it was definitely
not he don't care about that. Yeah, No, Pops just

(36:42):
loved it. He and he loved He wouldn't even like
the better the like the better stuff because he'd get
them too high. He would just be like, I just
want my regular stuff just here. Let mean, you know,
roll his regular joints and really yeah yeah, I mean,
like good every day it all. You know. I'm like
I like this, I like to smoke, and so if

(37:04):
I'm gonna have my lunchtime joint, like it's going to
be something kind of chill, you know. Next thing, you know,
like air accountant calls us and starts yelling at me,
and I'm like sitting there and just like frozen superstone,
so you know, kind of like it's as much as
you know, it's like I have to smoke to do something.
I can smoke too much. And I was stone that

(37:26):
day for sure. I like that. I liked it. I
liked it. I liked it. I mean every day that's
what I smoked. I smoked just like you know weed,
those coming straight from Mexico, you know, or a Z
S or whatever they want to call it. You know,
but it was just like, you know that that was
what I grew up on, and I prefer I still
would probably prefer smoking. It's just not around it to

(37:46):
me as much anymore. But like when when the guys
from the Outdoor Boys that came Alex was it was
his name was his name? Uh and U And they
had some like some yeah yeah, they had some like
cool you know, some cool outdoor weed. And I was
just like I remember smoking that was because it's not
it wasn't like you know, I didn't smoke it. You

(38:08):
know what's going on, dude, Like some of this ship
just gets you so freaking high. I'm not cool, you know.
I don't like to get that high. Yeah, some of
the I should love that good skunk we get. Yeah, yeah,
just some it'll get so it's kind of like all

(38:30):
about the turpin interaction and then you know there's so
much to it. I mean it's even just down to like,
you know, how it affects you, might not affect you,
to fully affect me different, Yeah, wouldn't to me, actually exists.
What's the favorite train you guys ever had? And growing?

(38:51):
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(39:11):
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him with a welder, a nice little teaser. Haley was
sitting there going, oh, what is it that you like? Growing? Well,
what is it that tastes so great? Favorite favorite of
all time? I think? For me right now, I would
have to say that the Jelly Donut strain, which is

(39:33):
a new release for us, all right. I mean I
rarely switched to a new strain right away, but that one,
really it was. It was special for me because you know,
I was a phone that I took myself, and you know,
we went back and when we selected it, I immediately
it's like, I'm loving this play. We all loved it
so and then you know, watching the process and getting

(39:54):
to help it the first and then go back. Loss
that we did on tier, you know, really made me
kind of falling a little bit more. And now that
it's out and I get to like smoke get before
are starting to really bring me samples. It's like, you know,
it's kind of all that I've all that I've been
really want. That's got to be cool to get a
sample of the seeds that you guys are producing. That's

(40:16):
got to be something interesting right there, because I mean,
think about that blue. If we produced a seed, someone's
out there growing it and they're like, hey, dude, thinks
they've got to be so appreciative towards you guys. Right,
we'll change people money. Given year, I mean, ship, there's
got to be at least a million Humble Seed Company
plants growing in the world. People are popping their seeds,

(40:39):
then yeah, we're all that I mean. And and the
crazy thing is is that words still like having you know,
the normal financial problems that it's all just kind of
like you know, the whole way that the licensing and
everything is rolled out. It's just, you know, it's a

(41:00):
different animal type of different animals. What do you mean
by that? Because as you say that, then you're saying this,
somebody might think, oh, you guys are just killing it then,
but you're like saying, it's not that. It seems well,
I kind of want to remind people that it's like
not for one thing, it's not easy because we put
a ton of effort into it. Like what she just

(41:21):
said about that strain is just that's what we're doing
with all of them. But like you know, she she
did she you took the JR. Seventeen which came off
of our farm, and then CEF forty. She pretty much
is like constantly out there in the fall taking all
the cots to make sure we preserve every single thing
we can in case one of them is what we

(41:42):
call a unicorn or amazing strain. Like that first thing
we did the ten thousand plants, we invited we got
to do it again, but we invited press, we invited
you know, TV, we invited and next next we're gonna
have campas one on one. But we had this crew

(42:04):
of like thirty people going around and we didn't get
to look at all ten thousand, but we looked at
like six thousand plants that weekend with notebooks and walking
through the fields. Um, you know, just kind of landing
on a couple and when one spoke to all thirty people,
that was like, that's the one that's a keeper. Well,
and that's that's thirty professional eyeballs, right, and people there

(42:28):
even when even brought Don Carlos, the famous reggae Yeah, yeah,
yeah on the show. You know when when um your
your daughter, you know Holly, you know, she she talks
about the plant. You know, you know, you know, you
know your ship. You know, it's like, you know, you
don't just come in there. And she's like, well, I
could you know, look at it, touch it, smell it,

(42:50):
feel it, and know that it's something you know that's
a trained professional, right. And And there was a time
where I felt like I knew everything about it, you know,
And and I I didn't want to be in the
in the growth because I was doing indoor, right, I
didn't have anything out there, and I just felt like
I was in a box all day and I was
just like, this is crazy. And if I was out
there probably be a whole different ball game because it's

(43:11):
beautiful outside, you know, but but it's still you have
to have that knap for that knack for it. You know.
You gotta be willing, You've gotta be willing brothers doing it.
And my brother's got a three facilities in Arizona, you know,
and and he loves it, you know, it's just his thing.
And I'm more of the you know, the brother was like,
let's go, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

(43:33):
like you guys up, no doubt, you know, but that
and that's what that's what we do, right, you know,
especially you guys got a lot of roots in the industry.
And I love that, you know. I love people that
are really about this life now. And I'm not mad
at the people that are coming into it, you know,
because I feel like it helps all of us, you know,
and it gives it. But it is difficult. And I
think what dis alluding back to what we were talking

(43:54):
about is is that you know, it's not all you know,
you know, gravy, you know what I mean, This is
a real life production. It's it's a you know, it's
your gardening, dude, you're creating a product, and you're sustaining
your family and you've gotta pay bills and and and
the price of cannabis is went down lower than it's
ever been, and you know, you've got to create new ideas,

(44:17):
new thoughts, and the market has people throwing all this
money at it to brand and call themselves cookies or whatever,
and you know, and quite frankly, you know it's just like, well,
what is cookies? Is it? Are they really farmers? No,
they're just they're just finding out there. They're good marketing
their marketing guys. And yeah, tight hold. But but not

(44:39):
to disrespect respect for respect for anybody who's hustling right now. No,
we love them all hype bullshit or anything like that.
But at the end of the day, like you you
get out what you put in. I think for real,
and I think that like what you're saying is is
and it's this is I think where my sentiment was

(44:59):
where you kind of for me being like it's not
like we're like you you have to reinvest and you
have to put your freaking heart and soul in it
or you're not gonna shine, you know what I mean,
And like you know, I mean, I it's a different
kind of a way. But like you know, someone like

(45:19):
Burner put his heart and soul into wrapping and and
weed is is another passion and it came together really well.
And like you know, I have put my heart and
the soul into cannabis and science and and you know,
partly the passion of Humble and where it was and

(45:40):
being a dad. And you know, I'm blessed to have
this person in my life that is enjoys that as well,
and it is you know, She's got a totally different
spin on it a lot of the time too, which
is is amazing and a blessing because you know, you'd

(46:01):
be giving it away for a six pack of beer.
I'm sorry, she's liken'd pure petty, But but I gotta say,
from what I've heard, you guys too are in the
rap game. I mean, there's Burner and then I mean,

(46:24):
can we hear these two Bay Area legendary rappers. I mean,
I would love to hear something you off. Mike. You
guys were talking about a rap that your dad did
for the family back in the East Coast, Yeah. We
did it for for Grandma and Grandpa back in the day.
And I didn't write it for Grandma for that, but

(46:45):
you performed it for them, and I think it was
that they really hit them. They were like, oh man,
he's he's never leaving this and he's like he wrote
a song, a rap song. What was the name of
a song, He's a weed for life? Uh weed. It

(47:06):
was kind of like the two fifteen song. We called
it pretty much, you know, proposition to fifteen. And and
Hallie and I had a song that we performed a
lot of places. That was a song about the whole
other thing that I've you know, the salmon love of
you know, like rivers and salmon and stuff. And right
now there's the world's largest restoration project on a river

(47:29):
is happening in Humble. Well the river is bigger than
just Humble, but it goes right through Humble. It's called
the Klamath River, and um, literally the biggest project in
the world. We're tearing down all these old damns that
are kind of you know, worthless, but they really screw
with salmon. And so that's been a big thing and
we had a rap for that too. But then um, this.

(47:52):
This weed rap was also one. Can't we hear it?
You could try it? Remember, are you gotta drop of?
Here we go? You're ready? Is it a fast wrap?
Is it a slow wrap? You want me to go,
I'll do the hook, give me the too quick. I
got my two fifteen if you know what I mean,

(48:15):
If you know what I mean, you got my two fifteen,
if you know what I mean? All right, no, no, down, Okay,
see that? Okay, Yeah, that's what I was like, where
is the beach? Goes? Go ahead, go go give me
a cappeller, you guys, you guys, come in all right, ready,
I got my two fifteen. If you know what I mean, Well,
I'm growing more weed than you've ever seen. These cops
can't say ship because my scripts legit. So I light

(48:38):
up my pipe and I'll take a big hit. A
lieu my bone, take a big hit. Let up my
joint and I'll take a big hit. The cops can't
say ship because my scripts legit. Light up my pipe
and I'll take a big hit. I got my slip
from the doctor to keep the coppers away. They roll
in helicopters. Now they don't play, but if they show

(48:58):
up man, they can't stay. I got my two and
this is North Calais now when they're rolling out, said,
I hear one say, man, it must be smoking like
two pounds a day. You know, the more I smoke,
the healthier I stay. So in your helicopter and just
fly away sign And honestly, the hype comment it really

(49:29):
didn't pertain to even like cookies or burner or just
them as a whole. It's this industry in general. And
to be honest, like, you can't, you know, you can't
blame these people for chasing the funds like that. You know, Yeah,
that's what we all do, okay, and they're out there
doing it, and like I respect that absolutely, But at

(49:50):
the same time, it's it's, you know, it's almost more
so that I'm more disappointed in the consumers overall than
I am anyone else. I'm like, come on, you guys, Like,
have you not realize that some of the weed you're
smoking is just complete moveful And what I trying to
remind people too, is that like right now, where's this
whole industry is so in its infancy that like people

(50:12):
also are just trying to get some of their hands
on some weed and like if a brand gets a
bunch of money thrown at it and it can manage
to get the weed out there to the people that
want it. Yeah, it's not gonna be like the most
cared after and loved and unique shit ever necessarily, but

(50:34):
it's there and they and and so are people. Can
you know, people don't want to smoke weed can smoke weed.
People that want medicine that weed is can have that too.
And that's kind of what I don't. You don't buy
your freaking vegetables. I don't. But it took a long time.
It took a long time for the Safeway and Whole

(50:57):
Foods or whatever like for that difference to go up,
you know what I mean. And I think it's still young, right,
but I'm just wondering, you know, how, how are we
seeing all these people out here, like these young people
who are really just chasing hype in this industry and
you know, not asking these questions when you know they're
going into Whole Foods and causing a fuss about you know,

(51:17):
every detail of ingredients in their gonola. But then again
they're going home and they're smoking weed every single day
that probably was covered in PMS and so it's like
to me, I am like starting to really wonder, like
why aren't we asking these questions and like what's going
on with these consumers that are just like blindly walking

(51:41):
into the shops and being like I'll take whatever's on
the top shelf with the fancy logo, like I don't care.
You know, we need to do better. It's really it's disappointing. Well, no,
here's here's what I think too, is is I think
coming from your eyes, it makes more sense to do that, right,
But coming from their eyes, unfortunately, they just don't know
enough to be dangerous like that, like you're dangerous when

(52:02):
when it comes to this industry, you know what I mean,
Like you know too much, Like so you're not like
you're like, no way I put that in my body, dude,
Like there's no way I'm gonna just get it from
any geek off the street. You know, there's no way
where you you know, because you know enough, right, But
then you got the you know, skip over here and
that lives in you know, Huntington Beach that really never
growing up plant in his life, doesn't really give a ship.

(52:24):
He just pulls his board out and just like yo, whatever,
there's a crown on the love it, you know, so
like I can get it delivered here in twenty minutes.
And that's fucking holding the flag on highway one on one,
and I want to like, whatever the cheapest one, whatever

(52:47):
the cheapest thing you got, what what you got because
you don't have the dope or or it's like, hey,
what's the most expensive one? Because that makes me the ship?
You know. It's all those mindsets that you that you
probably weren't raised in, you know, and I understand that too,
because is there was a point for me like where
you know, for me, it was like I went from like, okay,
I knew my morals right, Like we talked about this,

(53:07):
there's only we only sell we like, there's nothing else,
you know, there's no don't ever, you know, we don't
need to get involved in anything else. It's okay to
see it around. You're gonna see chin will get involved in. Right.
Then it was like okay, cool, and then but then
it was like for me, it turned into oh, this
is all about money, right, and it got really bad
for me, really bad, like to the point where I
was like, you know, I had to have the seventh

(53:28):
series BMW. I had to have this. I had to
had Everything was like about you know, I got money.
Then I started realizing, like, dude, this you know, and
this is watching my father die and going through cancer
and realizing that he's like, dude, this is our you know, legacy,
this is about this. And I was just young, you know,
so my mind went into you know, growing I'm growing
up now, and I'm like, okay, maybe I should stop

(53:49):
the the chase for for money and really help people
out right. That this plant is really to help people
with you know, cancer, This plant really does. And I've
known it the whole time. But but because I knew
so much, I can get in there and get out
with me, and I knew how to deal it and
make it and grow it. I could do it all.
It came to a point where it's like, you know,
it really became about just helping more people. And and

(54:14):
that's when you know, even more of an abundance came.
Right you start realizing like oh gosh, But then you
had to be careful in that realm because sometimes you
start giving out too much and then you're you're starting
to be like damn, why and I doing okay because
you're doing too much to help people, you know. So
I think there's like I said, you just know so much,
you know, and and you have this ability to like,

(54:35):
you know, a plant, you love plants. You can be yeah,
but but you look but when I look at you,
I think, oh, she's a Beverly Hills girl, you know
what I mean, Like you got that that cool you know,
like that's all genetics. It's like all you would never
know it from looking at me. But uh yeah, apparently
I make cute girls because my youngest is really cute.

(54:59):
But that doesn't matter. It's it's and and you know
what I realized too with Halley, and and I didn't
mean to give you a hard time, but like when
her in Humble, like her kind of age group is
they I see some of this, like because I think

(55:19):
that day had this. They grew up and they were like,
oh my god, there's this industry that's going legal, and
like we live in the freaking mecca of it, and
this is like the heart of it. And like some
o g s like you know, her dad and like,
you know, you guys are like we've had our time.

(55:41):
But I think a lot of the young kids are
like this opportunity is kind of just getting totally taken
in a way. And so I do feel like for
that age group in place like humble, because they're you know,
probably wanted to have like the chance to do that hustle.
And I know that it's going to come back around,
of course, because like what now is like the hardest

(56:02):
freaking time, because like we saw what happened with like
good beer. Eventually it had its day. It's having its
day still and like all these niche things are coming back,
but ship there was a long time where like nobody,
you know, there was nothing but Budweiser and stuff like that.
And cannabis is gonna happen a lot faster. It's not

(56:22):
gonna be fifty years of anahaus or bush being the
cannabis is gonna come much quicker. But the differentiation is
not happen happening now and there's not education, and it
does it takes away from opportunity of like you know,
someone who's in their twenties and entrepreneurial, you know what, well,

(56:45):
right now, I think it's a small period of time. Now,
I think you know, right now, because we had a
good run, right we got to look at like the
times where we all had like that run of just
ultimately we had you know, real high pounds, some big
money off. Well, you have to say, even like before
the legalization and then it was like okay to fifteen,
you know, probably just doing business has mutual benefit organization

(57:08):
or whatever. Then coming out of that and going into
the legalization, which you know, everybody was like, it's a
ploy to get us all out, you know what I mean,
like we all felt that way, right, you remember that.
I don't know, I I had this story and I
was like, no, I'm gonna come out, and they're you know,
they're gonna just take me to prison, dude, They're just
trying to weed us all. I'll bring us all out.
And then and then I look at it's like it's
almost the perfect you know storm, right, like to get

(57:29):
all of our money back, They get us all to
to reinvest into the legal side, dump a bunch of
money into that, and then they're taxing the ship out
of us, and they're just making all the money back
from us from when we had it from back then.
I almost feel like it was the perfect they all
smart at us, you know, I mean, it's kind of happening.
That's what just happened. You know, we just got out smarted.
And I honestly, I think that for me at least personally,

(57:52):
Like I can't say the same for my peers, but
like for me, it's way less about feeling like I
may have missed an opportunity personally, and like more so
about all of these people that have like really kind
of created this culture and are the pioneers of the
culture and watching these people that inspired me to get
into this industry in the first place and continue doing

(58:12):
what I do. I mean, of course I still have
my dad here, but he was one of many that
you know, we're inspirations to me, and we're wonderful people
with great morals and supported and kept our entire community alive.
And now you you know, you see, like after the
industry took this huge shift, our local businesses are really

(58:35):
fucking showing it, like and it happened immediately. It wasn't
like a slow trickle down. Know, like everyone is getting weird.
People are freaking robbing their neighbors. It's like, you know,
it's it's it's a weird time out there, and it's
for me, it just feels like you know, we kind
of got screwed, We kind of got robbed there. They

(58:56):
ripped that last chunk from all of these people's pock
it's and kind of bled them dry. And now they're
just like and made everybody feel like cannabis is legal. Well,
let me say this took all their innovation because we
were like a hub of innovation, you know, like they
too seedless weed. You know, that was a great idea.
I wonder where that came from. And what is the

(59:21):
culture of cannabis? To me, the culture isn't like all
of the stuff that you see these days, like the
like you know, the fake gangsters and the fancy packaging.
To me, the cannabis culture is like this community that
stood up for what we believed in and we're like,
we're going to continue to do this even if you
tell us it's wrong. We're going to fight the fight
and we're going to take care of ourselves. Even if

(59:43):
you come chop my plants down every year, We're still
going to go back out there. And like you know,
I've said it but many times, but you know, they
paid for my field trips, like you know, for they
paid for all of the local nonprofits, like the growers
and the people who the community of doing cannabis back
in the day they gave back the care of your

(01:00:09):
city to you know, it's going to the state and
it's like we're not seeing it's just just just remember this.
So I really want to show this to you guys
because I think it's important to say, Um, it will
be back. Yeah, it will be back in tenfold. You
just have to continue the division, right and and know

(01:00:30):
that it's there because you know, I mean, we're we're
filling it too as you you know that we want
to work with people and they're just like, well do
we can't you know, afford to do this or do that.
We're just like, okay, well we're just gonna keep pushing,
you know. But but but you have to remember, you guys,
like this is not it's every year can't be a
good year. And and so for the next couple of

(01:00:51):
years it might be slow. Um, but I could assure
you that it will be back, especially for you, right,
It'll be back for you and then the local farmers dude.
And it's like, how do you make it? You just
do it. It doesn't matter, you know what I mean,
You just got to do it because I promise you,
no matter what, if you're if you're you follow the path,
you'll be fine. If you go off the path, you're

(01:01:12):
gonna crash. So stay on the path, right you know,
you ask any good race car driver, ask anybody that
was drunk driving. Hey, what what was the last when
they crashed? What was the last thing you've seen? What
I've seen? The pole? What you're looking at the pole?
Guaranteed they looked at the pole and boom, that was
the last thing they saw. But you stay on the path,
you'll be fine, you know. And and sometimes the path

(01:01:32):
isn't moving as fast and it's difficult, but but I
could assure you stay on the freaking path, dude, you're
gonna be Okay. That's some sage. That's some sage knowledge
right there. Really really real ship, dude. It's it's it's
gonna happen, guys. I mean, at the end of the day,
you know, I think I think I've always kind of
had that feeling, and you know, I would be more

(01:01:53):
than thrilled to some entire life working with Humble Seed
coming well you will. We didn't take huge investment, we
didn't take any investment actually, and a lot of the
other businesses around us are somewhat mom and poppy, like
even you know, Jason the Emerald Cup serial win wins

(01:02:14):
every goddamn a other year. It seems like, um, like
that's all bootstrap and and Johnny Huckleberry like and I'm
naming like some of these more high profile ones. But
there's so many of them, and so many of them
are bootstrap. And that's a beautiful thing too, because just
and that's that path that you you you guys got

(01:02:34):
to stay on the path and and and all of
them out there, and and even the bigger guys, because listen,
those big operators right now, they're freaking hurting, dude, everybody.
They might not be showing and if they might not
be showing it, but they're hurting like for certain right now.
And I know because I deal with a lot of them.
I see them and they're just like, dude, our numbers
are down six right now, and I'm like, dude, like

(01:02:55):
you know, and I'm and I'm like sores, you know
what I mean. Like everybody's like whoa you know, um,
But but again, what the one thing that I know
is is two things is stay on the path and
then can can constantly watch your language, because your language
will drive you right into looking off the path. Right.
And so because your language is is you're you're tying down, right,

(01:03:17):
You're tying down. And I say that because you know
we're we're you know, broadcasters, programmers, if you will, right,
We programmed people to to think in a certain way,
to hear certain things right. And you can look at
it as evil or as or as is you know, helpful, um,
because some people use it for the wrong things. You know. Um,
maybe you know the best song of your life talks

(01:03:39):
about sex, drugs and rock and roll. But you love
the song, you know, and you didn't maybe you took
it as this song is inspiring to me. Someone else
took it as man, I need to do some drugs,
have some sex, and play some rock and roll. But yeah,
you know, you know what I mean. But it's but
it's so so your language. I just say that in
your path and and just remember, like the language will

(01:04:01):
sometimes take you out the path, but if your language
is always aim staying on the path, it'll come back around.
And and I feel that way about everything, and um,
not everybody's you know, here to be at the end.
Of the tunnel with you, you know what I mean.
And I've always been a fan of the be the
change you want to see mentality, and so I'm I mean,
I'm not planning on going anywhere, but I'm definitely gonna

(01:04:23):
make my opinions. Know well, I'm here, and I hope
you do because you're a strong woman and everything you've
said so far is awesome. And watching your guys family
dynamic is its beautiful. It's really beautiful of it and
all the people that we come and have come on
the show. We'd like to do the high five with
you guys. As we're a little into this show right now,
I want to ask you guys five simple questions. We'll
start with you young lady. You'll answer the question and

(01:04:44):
Pops you'll answer it right after that. Question. Number one
is how old you the first time you smoked cannabis?
And where'd you get it from? Yeah, I'll start. Mine
was worse probably than year that, maybe not. I was
twelve years old and I got it from um, this
kid that I looked up to because he had built
the best skateboard ramp. And Andy Robinson was down the road.

(01:05:09):
Shout out, Shout out Andy he had some. I can't
say that it was like fire or anything like that.
It was brick and it had seeds and stems. But
it was my first week and it went with that.
I grew up. I'm still on that. Yeah, what about you? Um?
I think I was thirteen, maybe fourteen, maybe maybe younger

(01:05:32):
than that, honestly, but it was definitely my dad's week.
That guy leave it to dad, you know. It's funny
as mine wasn't my dad's. I mean he had so much.
I mean he probably didn't miss that nug right. It
was my older brother and I was the first week
she ever sold her too, telling him out and just

(01:05:54):
being all out there right now. I'm gonna be honest.
One time he ran at a drying space and I
had a dry line snap above my bed before school,
covered vegetable school smelling just like we, like everybody did,

(01:06:15):
dry and weed does. It doesn't wait for nobody, so
you gotta get it when it get it's good. And
he's like, I'm sorry, it rain hunet of your bedroom
rained less Saturday. That's awesome. Yes. Question number two of
the high five, what is your favorite way to use
or smoke cannabis? I would say overall, I'd still just

(01:06:36):
prefer joints. I'm always persing to give me. We're gonna
seem so boring an old school, but I definitely got
to say joints. That's my favorite. You have my little
puff coat, and I love that we're all joints here too.
Don't feel bad, we're a I mean, I grew up
with blunts and I like blunts. But like now, with

(01:06:57):
all the tasty, tasty, different things that we got, it's like,
why ruin it with the blood joints? What's up? Just
put it in a paper and taste it and hit it.
What's the craziest place you ever smeked cannabis? Craziest place? See,
I feel like I'm incriminating myself a lot and saying
these questions a lot. I'm gonna have to say that

(01:07:19):
we've heard the airplane, We've heard Shanghai, we've heard them all.
What about you of smoking on the plane? So when
I that park that was, you know, north of like Philly,
when I lived in that area, had George Washington's house
that he lived in for a while, and we fucking

(01:07:40):
snuck in broken whatever you want to call it, one
night and yeah, and burned a big fat joint planabis
didn't he? I mean here, that's what they said, use
the man's cool. Question number four of the high five,
what does your go to Munchie after you got pickles? Pickles,

(01:08:00):
anything pickled? I'm a big fan, not a sweets kind
of a girl. I like pickles. I'll give you a
nickel for the shot. We took a pickle back. What's
your go too much? Yeah? Just unfortunately it's it's freaking

(01:08:22):
everything that's there right You're like, whatever is in the pantry,
whatever's in the bag, they call it. My wife says
that like raccoon at night. A raccoon I've always been like,
and like he goes in there and just sleepy. I'm
busy all day, I'm working, I'm moving around doing stuff,

(01:08:43):
and but at night, unfortunately, I just like zombify and
it's a workout, grabbing some weird stuff for rich crackers
and peanut butter, and I'm like, oh, wonderful, that's protein stuff,
like that charge of the protein right there. Here's a
question number five, Halliepano, do you ever had the Hallepeno

(01:09:08):
jelly stuff? Oh? I love it on some breeches. She
makes it. I'll send you guys. Oh my god, I
don't know. I got ganja on the way out of
here when you said crackers, I got. You know, I
got in big trouble the other night because I was

(01:09:30):
like polished one of those little jars of jelly in
the middle of the night. Halliepeno jelly rich cracker. Maybe
that's so we're walking real quick, though, I'll take a
funny story about me. I didn't know I stopped walking
by that and tell you know, you know, you don't
know until someone's like, yo, we have a middle the street.
You're like, holy sh it, I'm in my underwear. So
I literally outside in the middle of the street in

(01:09:52):
my underwear right and my mom's like, babe, what are
you doing. I'm like, you know, sixteen fifteen and I
don't even remember how old I was, and she's like, babe,
what are you doing? Like that crass said I was,
And as funny as she comes out, because I didn't
wake up even hearing her. Yeah, but in my dream,
I remember her yelling at me, and I was like
trying to, you know, listen to her whatever, and until
she touched me. And then I woke up and then

(01:10:13):
she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, U huh.
And I'm like and I'm realizing I'm in the freaking
middle of the street right now, dude. Like I was
all the way out in the house, in the middle
of the street, dude in my andies, just going to
no shirt on, going to school, no shirt on, no shoes,
no underwear. And that's it, dude. It was. But it

(01:10:35):
was a hotel lobby for him. Nice that you were.
That's great. I mean, maybe I was even younger because
it was before I made the transition from fucking Tidy
Whitey's to fucking so was the worst back in the

(01:10:56):
back in the nineties. They man on it and everything.
My mom was giving me the tidy white eas and
I didn't know any better. I was just like whatever,
you know, I don't know what. I'm not talking about
this with my mom anyway, until I don't know, probably
around ten or twelve, I was like, I was like,
there's some boxers. Let me get some boxer shorts because
this is some hay time. Need some hay time. There.

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I was sleepwalking in tidy white eas, you know, hotel.
I was. I still have some mom right now, take
a look. He question never five of the high five.
If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive,
who would it be? And why Bob Marley for me? Sorry,

(01:11:41):
take your no. I got to think second. Bob Marley
is a good remote think ladies and gentlemen. Hill. Yeah,
she's like he's like Teddy Goes get me for Lauren Hills,
don't say her music has gotten me through a lot

(01:12:03):
of bad days. And definitely Zion Oh that album was
just um yeah, I love me some Lauren Hill as well. Ye,
So listen, guys, anything that we forgot the s want
to talk about or just bring up before we let
you guys get on here. You know, I love talking
about culture and like the history and stuff like that.

(01:12:23):
But that I mean, we're so every it's so interesting
breeding cannabis, and I really would encourage anybody to try
it out and make your own little thing, because there's
levels to it. Like what we do is like the

(01:12:43):
most insane, you know, beyond like dog breeding and science
technology brought in. But you can make your own batch
of MutS and like you might find the most beautiful
one a full cannabis strain in the world. And that's
one of the most beautiful things about it is just

(01:13:04):
like it's almost like crowdsource the way it's been done.
I can't I know for a fact that there's no
other plant species in the world that has such a
vast community of like amateur interested breeders that communicate with
each other. And so there's this like beautiful thing happening

(01:13:25):
now where we're all kind of coming out of the
of hiding and we're able to share science and information,
and um, we gain a lot from that as as
a breeding company, because you know, some amazing strains have
came out of people's garages. And I mean we were
breeding in our garages only six seven years ago, but

(01:13:48):
we still got a whole thing in the ga. But
but you know, my point is is that it's breeding
is so fun and we're happy to do what. We're
honored and blessed to be able to do that and
and find sustenance for our company and in our world
and stuff. But it's also something that's really fun to

(01:14:09):
do too. And I guarantee you'll still probably you know,
get someone want to get some of our really uniform
ones that are like always if we say it smells
like a blueberry muffin. It's it's gonna smell like a
blueberry muffin every single time you grow it. And that's
like not to talk ourselves up. That's like what we're
I think known for is making seeds like you can

(01:14:33):
know what it's gonna come out like, and it's it's
gonna be like that. It's really what it is. Yeah,
Like you get a seed and it's just like to
see and that involves a lot. Like we find these phenos,
you know, they make a million crosses. Some of them
we don't even never make a strain out of because
we didn't find good enough phinos out of it. But
you know, white runs times Hella jelly, we found some

(01:14:56):
and then you know, Allie got the cuts and we
saw it and tested it and smoked it in groups
of people and said, this one is amazing from this form,
and this one's amazing. Then we bring those together and
then we start like selfing them, which is essentially self pollination,
which doesn't happen in nature and cannabis, but with some

(01:15:19):
of the modern techniques that we've got these days, we
can actually do that. And then you get what's called
homeless ygosity. Which means that it's very much more uniform,
and now you're starting to have like pure bred lines,
which is sort of just the beginning of you know, say,
I like to compare it to dog breeding a lot.
It's like in the beginning of the dog breeding world,

(01:15:40):
you have German shepherds and poodles and frenchees and da
da da da da da da. And in cannabis, we
haven't even really begun that yet. We haven't even gotten
to that yet. We don't have lines of German shepherds
because people haven't had the time and space to be
able to make uniform breeding lines. And it's also because

(01:16:02):
clones is a shortcut for good reason. We've taken advantage
of that because you know, you can't clone dogs, and
you can't quote a lot of other yet well I
don't know, they're starting online that look pretty crazy. So
a lot of other a lot of other creatures, species, whatever, organisms,
you it's it. That's the basis of all breeding of anything,

(01:16:28):
is making pure breeding lines. And there's more good reasons
to do that than just you know, not not having
to clone things. But like one of them is just
that you it's like you can't have a it's not
even a science experiment if it's not repeatable. And if
you don't have something that's like, I know, German shepherds
and or what was real popular labor duels right Obama

(01:16:52):
had and it's pure bred labrador and a pure bred poodle.
And every single time it makes this really awesome uniform
literal puppies called labradoodles. And they they're good for lots
of things. Apparently they don't give you the allergies, and
I don't know all the things they're good for. But
at the end of the day, like that's that's yea

(01:17:13):
Golden Retriever and a poodle. Yeah, And that's a real hybrid.
And the only way you make a real hybrid is
from having pure bread lines. Like you can't do it
with what we have today with all the mishmash clones
and stuff like that. They're not they're not pure bred lines.
Pure Bred lines come from nine generations of selfing, is

(01:17:38):
kind of what science says. That's a hundred percent pure
bred line. And like, if that's a hundred percent of
the cannabis that's out there, the cannabis varieties that are
out there are are one percent homicidals or maybe two percent.
So that's how far we have would have to go.

(01:17:58):
And that's kind of I think one of the awesome
frontiers that we're looking forward to as a company is
being able to help build those breeding blocks, are building
blocks of thoroughbreds exactly. That's amazing actually because you know,
we actually just just looking forward to doing that, right
and and and I'm sure that's just a huge like

(01:18:21):
it's a it's a big, you know goal, right, But
but at the same time, if you stay on that path, right,
you'll you'll get there. You know, that's it. You just
gotta stay focused on the path. And and I think,
you know, because I don't think a lot of people
can focus on that in order they care to, because
it's just like, well, let's just get get it out
there and do what we have to do. And you're
you're looking at a little deeper. I think we're still
trying to figure out what we like as as the

(01:18:44):
conglomerate of cannabis consumers, Like every year we change our minds,
it seems like. So at Humble Seed Company, we've we've
kind of just learned that over the last one years.
So we kind of just keep everything and move it
all and really you should, like they say that the
your pure bred lines are like the tools and your
tool shed and for any breeding company, and and so

(01:19:08):
the more you have, the better craftsman you're going to be.
And so we just kind of keep refining those and
moving them down the line. But it does. It helps
create an unbelievable things and be able to repeat them
and and get the same because I think what you're
looking and what you know, when I when I was

(01:19:29):
coming in, I would always say, you know, I want
to do this is me growing right and in the
beginning with my my brother and everybody else, is like
I want to be able to produce the same exact
cannabis the same every single time, you know, and and
I really believe that we can do it, you know
what I mean. It was like exactly though, like everything
down to the to the tea, and I still think

(01:19:49):
you can't, you know, I think you can't in and
can make the same burger. I mean, I'm not saying
the same exact size that you know, I'm just saying
this like the way it smokes, the way it taste,
the way it looks, you know, and get it down
to that and and actually really be able to deliver
a product like that, and so many people I think
have have done it. I can can do it, you know,

(01:20:12):
But but it's it's still kind of like is it
the same though, you know, because it's I don't know
that it's real, like like that's it's there, right, And
and again, like you said earlier, when you smoke it,
it does something totally different to me. And that's the
that's the other part of it, you know, Like when
I smoke some cannabis, I'm like, dude, this ship made
me giggle. I'm laughing all freaking day. And then the

(01:20:33):
other dudes like faulks, nothing does I don't know, all
two or three shots of the same stuff. Again, we
all get the same, like you know, when you tend shots,
we're all gonna lay down, you know. But if you
necessarily not the person who could take you know, twenty Yeah,

(01:20:53):
you're right, you guys, do forget anything else. Everything good.
You're right. You can't deny cannaba is a whole different animal.
It's not. It's a different anisemt. It ain't sucking something
that you can predict or measure every single time. And
That's what's beautiful about it because it's kind of this
mix of like trying to recreate your master you know,

(01:21:14):
like if if you had that best but ever, yeah,
you want to again, you know, like this, and then
it's like fun the worst next like and then the
next one you're trying to do the same strain in there,
and you try and do the same thing you did
last time, and it's just like, dude, it's not the
same one that three harvests later comes back and you're like,
what the funk happened to the last two harvest? You know?

(01:21:35):
It's a craft. Yeah, it's it's my thumbs one as
good as I thought they were as yeah, right, uh,
it was great. Anything yeah, pops, anything else. This is fun. Alright,
we had a blast. We'll come back and we'll do
a whole another show. We have a lot more. Yeah,

(01:21:58):
let's go. I'll wait to be there. I would I
would love you go. Let's do it. You know, I
would love it. It sounds like fun. Well, there it is, guys.
It's Cannabis Talk one on one. And remember this, if
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