August 8, 2022 • 44 mins
Tim Alcorn and Jim Chones are joined by Guardians radio announcer Jim Rosenhaus to discuss the similarities between the young Cavaliers and Guardians. Celtics commentator Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell joins them in the second half to discuss the legendary Bill Russell.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to Cam's HQ, presented by Ben Way. Thank you
for joining us on the Cleveland Cavaliers Radio Network. Now
here's your host, Tim Alcorn and Jim Challenge. We get everybody,
and welcome to Cam's h Q. Tim Lcorn, Jim Jones
and Jim We're gonna have another busy show this week too.
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Terrific guests of course, a great friend of mine and
a fellow broadcaster, one of the voices on the radio
side for the Cleveland Guardians, Jim Rosenhouse, is going to
stop by and pay us a visit, and then a
little bit later on in the show, we're gonna hear
from one of our favorites every time he joins us.
It's a lot of fun in Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, although
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I said, we'll certainly touch on the passing of one
Bill Russell, but it's gonna be an interesting show coming up, yes,
and we'll very informative. I'm a big former Indians now
Guardian fans, a really good, big time fan of Tito
Tito Francona, because even when we played in the sixteen
finals out in San Francisco, who was sitting courtside but
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Tito Tinia was right there with us. I know, I
know this guy. He loves basketball also, and he came
to about year in and year out. You know, we're
there four straight terms and un Tito was there sitting
sitting there watching the games, always there. That's a great story,
all right. So we'll take a quick time out. When
we come back, we'll start things off with Rosie, Jim
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Rosenhouse and the Guardians Radio Network will join us. So
stay with us on Canvas Group presented by bed Wave
on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Buncome backins Cantasque presented by
bed Way on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Jim Alcorn along
with Jim Jones, and of course our dynamic do Low
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on the other side of the window, Marty Allen, Kirk
McLaughlin and our first guest this week is a guy
that I spent some time with the couple of months ago.
I was honored to be asked by the Guardians to
do some baseball work while they were out on the road,
and I did six games in Colorado and in Los
Angeles with Jim Rosenhaus. Rosie part of the Hammy and
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Rosie broadcast team for the Guardians, and he now joins
us on calvs HQ two. Maybe talk a little Calves basketball,
but we'll talk to some Guardians baseball as well. Rosie,
it is great to have you, man. It's it's good
to hear your voice and talk to you again. Good
to be here, Tim, And I'm surprised you didn't mention
that your record was five and one. If it comes
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down to it at the end of the year, he
might need to bring in. Well. All I'll say is
when we got on the plane to leave Los Angeles,
Tino mentioned to me Tim we were five even one, so, uh,
Tito was very well aware of it as well. But no,
it was a blast. And again thank you to you
and Curtis dan Berg with the Guardians and the organization
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for having me sit in. Uh it was such a joy.
And uh, you and I had a lot of fun
on that trip. And let's kind of start there are
you and Hammy For the most part, I have had
a lot of fun covering this Guardians baseball team this summer.
Such a young team but led by a Hall of
fame manager in Tito Francona. Rosie, how are they doing it?
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You know, it's amazing, guys that leaving spring training or
towards the tail end of spring training, there was just
so little buzz because you knew it was going to
be a young team and they were really going to
commit to the young players, and that was exciting because
sometimes you get caught in the middle and and that's
the worst place to be, I think, And they just said, look,
this is a year we really need to find out
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about some young players. And there were some that even
we hadn't really heard much about prior to spring training.
But it's turned into a team that I mean, they
have a fun style of play that's a little bit
different in today's game that's I think so common where
you have those three outcomes it's either a home run,
of walk or strikeout. But this team puts the ball
in play a ton and they run the basis great
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and um when they get the good pitching, they've been
able to win a lot of games. So it's been
a pleasant surprise and really an enjoyable season so far. Rosie,
I just want to thank you for coming on, and
I'll start as we all did. We all started out
in baseball, and I'll tell you what. I got hit
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once when I was thirteen, after that at flinch and
cry on anything thrown close to me. I struck out
probably more times than anybody my age when I when
I played a Y M C A baseball. But the
point I want to ask you about is this is
that you've drafted some kids this how do you say
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his name, Chase de Lauder, Yes, yes, from James Madison.
What did you see in that kid? I mean you
had a pretty decent draft position, but you picked up
this kid. What did you like about him? You know,
just from the scouting reports and and and listening to
the scouting director after the draft. Another player who he's
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an outfielder and he he contact, you know, with very
few strikeouts. And that's kind of what they've been profiling
in the last couple of drafts, trying to get more
contact hitters. You love the power, and he's got a
little bit of power, showed that this spring. But I
think they feel his upside with a lot of contact,
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he'll grow into his power. He's a big kid. But
again with as you know it, you know, an NBA draft,
you're bringing in a kid to to help right away.
E's ball, It's it's several years away now. He might
be a little bit closer because he's a college drafted player,
But gosh it, it just seems like it's so far
down the road and you don't worry about it too much.
But at least you know the initial reports are a
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lot of good contact power potential there and a decent
outfielder too. Jim to follow up on Jim Jones's point,
the fact that the Guardians have had so many players
come through the system. I think I heard you guys
talking one night. There's been twelve or thirteen maybe this
year that have made their major league debut with the
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Guardians this season. Just talk about player development and how
these young guys are working through the system to get
to the major league level. It's remarkable. Friday Night starter
Hunter Gaddis coming up to pitch and make his major
league debut. Will be the thirteenth major league debut this season.
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It's unheard of. So with that comes some some ups
and downs, but it's amazing how prepared these players have been.
I mean, immediately they're they're making an impact. Nolan Jones
came up and was on a tear. Stephen Kwan also season,
long after debuting on opening Day, has been tremendous um
you know, and many many others who are playing in
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their first major league season. It doesn't work out, you know,
smoothly for everybody. Some of them have to go back
to the minor leagues. But um, I think what it
tells you is that the development system is real strong.
They're prepared when they get here. Whatever is going on
at Triple A Columbus is really good because when these
guys get up here, sure they're nervous, sure they're excited
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because it's their debut, but they don't seem to be
odd by the moment. And the other part of that
is um. And this kind of tied into the trade
deadline a little bit. The Guardians chose to stand pat
and sometimes that does not go over well with veterans
on a team that's in contention. And again they're heading
into Friday, they were just a game out of first place,
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and the veterans, in a lot of cases, they want
to see the club make some moves, bring in some
established players, some help, so to speak. But the veterans
on this club, they said, you know what, these kids
have earned their spotts and they're doing okay, and they
bring a certain vibe to that clubhouse and and the
day to day and all that kind of good stuff,
and they were totally fine with just leaving it alone
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and seeing what this club could do down the stretch
and finding out more about these young players who was
gonna fit this year but also in the future. Yeah,
thank you, Jimmy. Yeah, that's very interesting because I'm looking
at Tito and it's a credit to you know, to
how he does things, and you know he has that
ability to settle down your veterans. But what I was
doing some homework. Can you explain the bonus pool, the
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pick value of the bonus pool? It sounds like it's
similar to the way our lottery is set up in
the NBA. Your first, um, I think it's the first
ten picks, you have a bonus pool. After that we
can blue it around. But that's why you see in
a lot of cases, maybe like a fourth round pick,
they have slots form of what they're supposed to get.
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You don't. You're not tied to that. So a lot
of times, maybe a fourth round pick, you'll go below
slot to leave a little extra room for a guy
you think might fall to the eighth round because he's
supposedly not signable, but then you have a sextr money
and you can use that for that slot, so you
have an overall pile of money. They're suggested slots for
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the certain rounds and this is probably way to complicated
for everybody, but hopefully I like that. Yeah, I hopefully
the fans like but anyway, so you can move that around.
And that's where what the Guardians have been really good
at is finding some players who maybe you know they
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fell for whatever reason. Maybe they they're coming off Tommy
John surgery, if they're a picture and you're taking a
real chance on them because no one's seen them for
a while. But but you believe in what you saw
before that, and you you believe in the in the
medicals to to get them back to where they should be. Um.
So they that's where that you see all that stuff
moving around in terms of the pool and the slot. Again,
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we're talking with Jim Rosenhouse. He's part of the radio
broadcast duo for the Guardians, Hammy and Rosie. We'll take
a quick time out. When we come back, we'll talk
more with Jim about the Guardians and of course the
passing of Vince Gully. So stay with us. It's TV's
HQ presented by Betway on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Welcome
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to kev's HQ presented by Betway on the Cavaliers Radio Network.
Tim Alcorn along with Jim Jones, and again we're thrilled
to have with us this week one of the voices
that does Guardians Baseball on the radio, Jim Rosenhouse. Of course,
there are many shared stations on the Cavaliers Radio Network
and the Guardians Radio Network, so a lot of our
Cavs fans that are listening on our network affiliates. Certainly No,
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Rosie very very well. Jim, You and I while we
were on the road, Uh, we did a lot of chatting,
had a a couple of good breakfasts. In fact, Jim Jones,
Jim Rosenhouse and I found a great place in Denver.
So when we're playing the Nuggets, when the schedule comes out,
I'm gonna take you to where Rosie and I had breakfast.
But but Rosie, you and I were talking about obviously
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the Guardians, but about the Calves and the similarities between
these organizations. Young players that are hungry and making an impact.
Tito in his life in baseball with his father and JB.
Bickerstaff his life in basketball with his dad, Bernie Bickerstaff.
But share with our listeners what you and I talked
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about that there really are parallels between these organizations. Well,
you know, I think they're at least for this year.
And maybe it's just the way the rosters were constructed.
They're very likable teams, yes, and and their style of play,
I think too, has been a lot of fun. Look,
I'm gonna say I'm a fan. I mean that's I
enjoyed both games, and um, you know, I'll go to
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some Calves games with my kids and wife during the wintertime,
and I think there are most memorable one. I think
it was New Year's Eve or right around there when
they played the Hawks and they lost the game. They
had a ton of jries, but you left there and
you're thinking, man, that's a fun brand of basketball they're playing.
And that was a it was a really good game.
I mean it was a close game. They lost at
the end and Trey Young went wild and I think
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in the fourth quarter. But and I think there's a
lot of nights like that. You know, we always say
it is rare the nights where even if they're losing,
the Guardians don't at least bring the tying run to
the plate in the ninth inning. Yes, And the flip
side of that is, I think they're now at twenty
last at bad wins, which is tops in Major League Baseball.
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So I think that gives you a real good idea
of how competitive they are. And and they don't fear
the late game situations and and maybe the Calves are
the same way. And I know, you know, they pulled
some out late. And I don't know if exceeding expectations
is a fair thing to say, because then you're kind
of putting limits on on teams. But they're sure. We're
fun to watch the Calves in the wintertime, and this
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year's Guardians team has been a lot of fun to
watch two And I think it's style of play. Maybe
the youth has something to do with it too, but
it's been a lot of fun to watch both teams
in the last calendar year. Jimmy, it's almost like they're
feeding off each other because when I was playing, the
Browns were pretty good cardiac kids, and then the Indians
were pretty good with one of my close friends, Albert Bell,
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and so we we had just started to play better.
It seems like they all share in that same atmosphere
of competition. You know, it's it's funny Jim and sixteen
when the Calves wanted all and the Guardians went to
the World Series. Uh, Michael Brantley had season tickets for
the Calves. Um. I think Jason Kitness might have as well.
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I know Tito did. And our games when we were
at home, our games will get done. And if you
guys were still playing across the street, they would sneak
underneath their through the president and find their way at
least into the fourth quarter. And if it was it,
if we had a day game and you guys had
a night game, I don't know where these guys were
finding playoff tickets, but they were there. So and then
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it came full circle in the fall. Um. You know
the memorable scene after the Raj Davis home run in
Game seven of the World Series of Lebron and the
sweet flexing, and uh, you know, all the guys were
up there, and I know they were at a ton
of postseason games, and not just Lebron but the rest
of the team. So they I think they do feed
off each other and it's a lot of fun. That's
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a great point. Again, we're talking with Jim Rosenhouse from
the Guardians Radio Network, racist enough to stop by and
pay us a visit, and Rosie coming up a little
bit later in the show, Jim and I will have
a chance to talk with Cedric Cornbread Maxwell of course,
of Boston Celtics fame, and we'll chat with Cornbread about
the passing of Bill Russell and in the world of baseball,
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a huge passing this week, the iconic Vin Scully and
h a moment of two as a as a broadcaster
number one, and and also share with our listeners that
you had a chance to meet and interact with Vin.
But just talk a little bit about Vince Scully and
really not only what he meant to the Dodgers, but
to the game of baseball. Name before I do, Jim,
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I mean having played out there and and gosh check
her and was one of the best for the Lakers too,
and icon and I imagine Vince Scully was part of
the fabric of the community out there. Yeah he was,
you know. And I had a chance to meet him
a couple of times, and I kept staring at his
hair because it's because not a not one hair moved,
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you know, and he was always dressed like he was
a billion there. What a dresser. But when he spoke,
I said, this is a very learned man. His use
of words and to keep it simple, you know, doing
the broadcast and the way he used to let it breed.
You remember that classic stuff man, Well, Tim was alluding
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to it. I met him in we were out there
for a series of Dodger Stadium the only time I
met him, and I mean it was like he knew
year for years. He had come out of his booth
and there's a hallway from the main press area to
the radio and television booths, and he had come out
of his and I was walking towards arts and so
I introduced myself, and I mean it was classic Vineo,
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Hi Jim, Welcome to the Major League. And it just was,
you know, it's just a minute or two. I know
Tom has has spent a lot more time with him
over the years, but I always saw it was was
great about Ben Scully. Um. I don't think it was
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it was planned, but somehow, some way, his stories during
the course of his play by play where legendary. And
that's the you know, the biggest difference from what you
guys do on on basketball moves so much quicker. There's
a lot of downtime and a lot of room for
stories in the baseball broadcast. And it was amazing because
he tell a story while a player was at bad
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and if he wasn't quite done, these guys would foul
off pitch after story, throw the first a little bit
and and foul off another picture, two until he's done
with this story. And it was amazing knowing everyone else like,
we gotta go the commercial, finish the story next to
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never Vince. You know, there's a million great cause that
he's had, but to me, that was was always the
you know, the separator for him. He was so great
at him And we'll wrap things up by ending where
we began, Jim. Three of the games that I did
with you earlier this year, we're at Dodger Stadium, and
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just the presence he wasn't there, but the presence of
Vince Scully was palpable in the press box. It's the
Vince Scully press box, and just knowing where he worked,
you could feel it. Just the legendary status that he
has within that organization. For sure, but certainly throughout the
game of baseball. It's incredible, there's no question. And a
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gentleman my name of Joe Davis is following um Vince Scully.
He started UM while Vinn was still doing the games,
kind of helping with the transition. And then he's taken
over as that that TV voice and UM, as he says,
you know, he's not replacing Vince Scully. He just happens
to be the next guy. UM. And and as you said, there,
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there's so much there real quick before we go, did
you say Cornbread Maxwell's coming on next? Yes, he is.
You let him know that I did two years high
school basketball in Kinston, North Carolina at his high school
when I was doing when I was doing the Kinston
Indians my first two years in baseball, my offseason job.
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Jerry Stackhouse was the big But let him let him
know that I did their games for a couple of
years back in the early nineties. That's great and we
will pass that along. That's really cool stuff. Well, Rosie again,
good to talk to you again, not only a fellow
broadcaster but a great friend. Great to have you on
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Cav's HQ. And uh yeah, we'll set you up with
some more tickets for Can's games during this winter. Thank you,
thank you, thanks, Thanks Rosie, Jim Rose and I was
joining us here on Cav's HQ presented by bett Way.
Gret hear from Rosie will take a quick time out
and as Jim just plugged, we will indeed have a
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conversation with Cedric Cornbred Maxwell that comes up next, So
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CABS HQ presented by Betway after this on the Cavaliers
Radio Network. Welcome Back CAB's HQ presented by Betway. On
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the Cavaliers Radio Network, tim Aldeborn along with Jim Jones.
Of course, the dynamic duo. On the other side, Kurt
McLoughlin and Marty Allen. And again a great big thank
you to Jim Rosenhouse for stopping by and paying us
a visit. And up next into that Legends chair is
one Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, one of our favorite guests on
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CAB's HQ presented by bed Way. He has given us
some memorable moments and we thought it would be appropriate
to have said back on this week because for as
many laughs and as many great times as we've had,
was said, we wanted to start things off at least
in this conversation, uh, touching on the passing of one
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Bill Russell, certainly one of the greatest to ever laced
them up in the NBA, but not only that, his
work in civil rights and in social justice just a
majestic human beings. So said, first of all, welcome back.
As I said, we'd love to have you on this show.
And I'm sure you and Jim will get much further
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into this, but just your initial thoughts on the passing
of one Bill Russell. Well, as we do in the
black community, that's the celebration of life. Uh. You know,
this dude was so great in what he did, and
as Jim will tell you absolutely, you know, hands down
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the greatest win they're ever in sports in American history,
with the number of championships. As good as he was
as a player an athlete, he was a better person
for social issues and injustices and all those things that
go along. He sat on the front lines. And Jim,
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I I heard somebody mentioned me and I've done a
bunch of interviews talking about Bill Russell, and they said, well,
we're gonna talk to Celtic legends, Centric Maxwell, and he's
going to talk about a legend, Bill Russell. I said, dude,
don't pisus in the same breath when you talk about
a legend. Bill Russell was a legend. I'm just a
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who played, you know, basketball because he was extraordinary in
so many different ways. And the world is a little
bit smaller because of of of Russell leaving, but it's
a little bit better with Russell being in this world
with the things he's done. Yes, Will said, Will said,
Bread and just want to thank you again for sitting in.
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You are our best, In fact, you're our most frequent
guest because you're tremendous insight and our dear friendship. But
Bill Russell was my idol. And I don't talk much
about idols and heroes, but I've read everything I could
on Russell is Up from Glory, which all of us
had to read it, you know, at junior high school.
It was in the library, and second Win and Russell's
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rules that then read in me. I've read them all man.
And then I've got a couple of Sports Illustrated covers.
You know who he has all the rings on his hands,
and then the other to where he had been golfing.
It was early in his career. They had him on
the cover Sports Illustrated. I had both of those in
my possession. But the main thing I wanted to talk
about Russell was his social consciousness, because that's what separated him,
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I thought, from all of the modern day and former
and puts him in a class there with Paul Robes
and and also puts him in the class there with Ali.
It puts him in the same vein as all of
those Jackie Robinson, of course, but those were the times,
wasn't it, Brent. Those were the times you're talking about
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with Bill Russell. And you know, as as much as
I want to to talk about those issues. I'm gonna
highlight and say the funny things about Russell there. Russell
was funny as hell. Jim every time he saw me.
I'm not sure if he did this to you, but
every time the man saw me, he was smile. I
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would smile. I was the way he was smiling at me.
And the next thing he do he gave me the
me middle finger, and I said, dude, why are you
doing that? And he give me the finger. If he
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liked you, he gave you the middle finger, give me
should get damn hands. So that's what Russell was. He was.
He was a chameleon. He uh, he loved the game.
He loved people, but he loved the key people. Jessie, uh,
you know, and who he was and what he did.
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And we talked about the city of Boston and you know,
winning more championships even during the time they won. You know,
he can't even do a Jimmy how the Lakers said,
you know, uh, three people, Well this many times in
a row, back to back back, that's how many times
they won championships in a row. And he did it
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several times. As a coach. He was the first black
coach in the NBA. Uh do I my knowledge Maybe
the person black coach in North America. I'm not sure
about that. One I know in the NBA, and one
he won championships even coaching. I was there when when
Dave Cowards was a player coach for US. Dave Cowards
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was not good, he was a great. He couldn't bridge
those two things together. And that's what it was so
extraordinary about Bill. He was there. Jim, you'd like to say,
you know, you and I laugh about stuff when Martin
Luther King was speaking speaking, I have a dreams was there.
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He was looking for a row. I mean, we looked
at that stuff on TV. He lived history. He was history.
And that's what makes him so unique. When you talk
about somebody that you and I literally have shook his
hand and we were there on those doorsteps when you
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sit down and talk to him for a few minutes.
And I never talked to him a long period of time,
but a few minutes I got it was always some
kind of insight about life and and how things happened
during that particular time. He even told me one story.
He didn't tell me this story, but actually the great
Sam Jones told me. They were in a lunch room. Uh.
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And let's say Fort Wayne, Indiana. And when Fort Wayne
had their team and Sam rushes up to the Counterdar
because Sam said I was the fastest one. So I
got up there with my trade and I was ready
pay for my food. And the woman white woman said,
excuse me, sir, but we we don't suck. We don't
serve colors here. And it was just like what And
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That's what I'm talking about. You know, we look at
the young guys now, we even look at ourselves, and
we see the difference of the shoulders that we had
to stand one like that. His commitment to social issues
and social justice was the foundation for everything that the
NBA is about today as far as social consciousness and
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diversity and inclusion. It all started with with with Jackie,
of course, but it's come this far because of people
like Bill Russell. But I want to tell you another
humor story. We were playing someone and bridge you know
how emotional I could get through the course of the game,
So I filed. I fouled somebody, which I did quite frequently,
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and uh, I didn't think it was a file. Bill
Russell was doing the game right, and so I jumped
up in the air and he announced, well, there's Chune.
He disagreed with that call, and I jumped in the
air and I was holding that deficial and Bill said,
look it, if he comes down, it's a technical. Oh
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that's great. Humor was unmatched. Oh when he did games
with Brent Musburger and that infectious laugh of his. I
mean he enjoyed the broadcast, but he also knew when
to step back and just let the game speak for himself.
Yes he did. Man. Yeah, forget about that moment. You're
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talking about the games he did when he was on TV.
How about the one he did with Rick Barrett that
will always go down people won't remember. But he he
did the game with Rick Berry, and I want to
say it my other bed. It wasn't much Burger, but
somebody else who was the head guy. And he has
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a picture of Bill Russell and he's smiling and and
the guy all of a sudden looks at Rick Berry.
Said Hey, Rick, you know who that is? Some one
like that, And Rick Berry said, yeah, I know who
that is with that big war the Midlon smile. Oh
my god. Yeah. It was a moment which will live
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in forever and did not say anything for the rest
of the broadcast bill bill. So even then I was
gonna make a stance regardless of what was happening. That's
he spoke loudly without saying a word, Golden. Yeah, we'll
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take a quick time out again. One of our favorite guests,
Cedric Cornbred Maxwell from the Boston Celtics, joins us. We'll
hear more from said after this on Kevi's h CO
presented by Bed Way on the Cavalier's Radio Network. Continuing
(30:26):
our conversation with said Maxwell from the Boston Celtics, Yours
truly Tim Elthorne, along with Jim Jones and Jim Get
things started with said here in segment too, we talked
about Russell and the tradition of Boston winning. Uh. You
made Uh you picked up Brobden. Uh. There was a
lot of rumors that you guys had a chance to
(30:47):
pick up Kevin Durant. I'd like to hear your thoughts
on it. It looks like you guys feel that you're
that close. Here my thoughts. You am above to get
your text messages we get all of a sudden, Joe,
I get the best of Jim Chong said, Now you
got your point guard he I love to me, Brodon,
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this is one hell of a player. He's a point guard.
You can shoot the basketball. I think the Tom Bowler Marcus,
I think it's going to be good. Uh. Now they
keep talking about Kevin duran Would you make the trade
for Kevin Durant? And they're looking right now and jay
Len Brown. Now you're asking me, I love jay Len Brown.
(31:35):
I absolutely love jay Len Brown. But if I had
an opportunity to go out and get Kevin durand Jay
you better get your get your street clothes because right
now you're packing up because there there are there are
a few exceptional players in this league which changed the
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tipperman of a team or change trajectory. He's one of
and you look at him and you go, well, why
would you say that? Because he's such a dynamic score.
I remember when the Boston stuffing to were about to
make a move, and everybody at one time love Al Jefferson.
Al Jefferson with the Boston Suffis many years ago, was
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this up and coming second year guy couldn't be stopped
in the post. Unbelievable, And all of a sudden there
was rumors that you were about to make a trade
for Kevin Garnett and myself and Tommy Heins, we all
were like, oh, you'll make that trade, he Jonger. They
made that trade. I saw Kevin Garnett played the first game,
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I was like, well, Alan was nice. Kevin Garnet was
a different maker. He was a culture changer. He changed
Paul Pierce's temperament. He changed Ray Allen. He made Boston
into a dynamic winning club. Now it's Kevin garn that
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Kevin the Red like that. No, that's not this temperament.
But what he is he is a score Jim and
and that nobody can stop in this movie. The only
way ton stop him as him. And if you had
him on your team against Golden State during the Fouers,
you win it. You have another ring. So that's why
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I said, I think that you know, you have to
look at it evaluated. But for me, I make that move. Yeah.
One other thing. You remember what I text you about
Tatum because he was taking all the blame and I'm
looking at you and I'm looking at your play. And
remember I said it was your point guard play in
the closing minutes in the fourth quarter. Uh. Smart is
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not a creator consistently and that's when you need deep
you know, defense are at their best and you gotta
get the best people. That never happened. I didn't want
him taking the blamers. Why is this kid taking the
blame for not scoring the fourth quarter? Where where was
the point guard play? You know, and you know when
you get Jim, you know, when you get the big
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bucks and people look at you as the star, they
don't look around at anybody else. They just look at
that particular player and see that he elevated this game. Yes,
you would want to have easier shots. I think that
that is true. And the other thing that might have
happened because he was handling the basketball so much he
turned it over. When you talked about he had almost
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he had almost a hundred turnovers during that during the
NBA Finals and and and that to me were during
the whole you know playoffs system. He or he broke
a record. So that's me is another thing that you
have to look at with the Celtics and who they are.
And you know, Brad Pat Brad Stevens, you know, he's
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done a pretty good job. Is GM. Now, Now that's
deplore that trigger and make another move. I think that's
going to be a gooing already got Gallinari. I like
that move is to look extend your court presence with
he's shooting the basketball, but I just don't like. I
just love Kevin Durant. I love Kevin Durant. So in
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your view, said, you think that's still percolating, you think
there's still a possibility of Durant ended up in Boston. Well,
I think that that's that's the package that they want.
They that I keep hearing is that they want a
dynamic player like ground who was going to be an
All Star. There's no doubt in my mind he's going
to be an All Star. And I think that Jim
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and I would would would say this, and knowing the game,
you can't take it personally when people start talking about
trading you. It means that other teams, you know, value
you that much more. Yeah, So don't take it personal
that somebody say, hey, you know you might get traded.
You have to be a great player to make that
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kind of move, to make it happen. In so many
ways that I've been traded, Jim has been traded before. Hell,
I was traded for a guy who was who loved
the grateful day to be a ball. So just say
I personally that that was just business. That's what they
wanted to do. And read our red our back set
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it best, never ever fall in love with the product.
Always be able to look at it evaluated and make
a decision if it's going to make your team better
or not. Oh that's a great point. Again, we're talking
with Set Maxwell from the Boston Celtics. Of course, he's
a legend on that Celtics wall and certainly a part
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of their broadcast team now as he joins us here
on CALVS. HQ said, I'm always interested to get the
other side's perspective of the Cavaliers. We can sit here
and talk about the Celtics and I love doing that
with you. But just real quick, what do you think
of what the Cavaliers are and are becoming? Well? I
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think they've they've become a a very tresting club and
if they can stay healthy, I just hope that they
don't go out and make some kind of moves and
the move that that, you know, the million dollar move,
would be for them to go back somehow and get
Lebron James to come back. I think that would stifle
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a young basketball club. You have some young players who
are developing into very good players. And if you come
in and bring a veteran in like Lebron who was
still you know, still this show, then I think he's
going to take away from the growth from those other
young players that you might have. I've seen Garland Garland.
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You know that first year Garland selves at best point
guard that nobody took. Well. This year he came back
and proved exactly his point And then you have all
these other guys who I think mobile these This is
a good young club that has to really just be
patient and not think, hey, we're gonna win the championship immediately.
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If they look at the long term, the long term,
this Cavs team could be good for a long time. Yeah,
and I know you're right about that because from everything
I've heard, that's exactly how they're thinking. Now. The East
just seems to be positioning itself. You guys have have
to be donber One. I thought you just there were
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two games. I thought you could have one going into
the fourth quarter. But we already talked about that. It
got away from you. But but but but bred talk
a little bit about the Eastern Conference and how hot
it is. Well, it's gonna be. It's going to be amazing. Um,
what happens right now with Milwaukee with military coming back,
(38:44):
some of the players that they've they've gotten. Uh you
still look at Joel Embiid is you know, arguably the
most dominant big in the league right now. Uh, will
Philly be able to make that next move? Um? You know,
Miami is still going to be in the mix. They
still got good players, and Jimmy Butler and and and
(39:05):
they am those are really good players. It's going to
be it's going to be adult fight. It's going to
be adult fight. For a lot of the team's out there,
I didn't and in some of them it I didn't understand,
Like like the trade that they had uh down in
um Atlanta to get Murray from and then tell me
I didn't. I didn't particularly like that because to me,
(39:28):
I think Trade needs the ball to be effective and
Murray needs the ball to be effective. So I'm not
sure how that combo is gonna work. M Interesting stuff. Well,
on that note, our friend, we're gonna let you go again.
Great insights. As always, thank you for sharing your stories
about Bill Russell, the all time greatest Boston Celtic and
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thoughts on the NBA in general. It is always so
much fun to have you joining us here on Cam's HQ.
Thank you Jillan for having me. I appreciate love. It
will not I'm sure I'll be back again, and I
can't wait for the alcohol. You will have it. You
will have it. I'll call as soon as we get
off the phone. Alright, my brother Cedric corn Bread Maxwell
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joining us here on Cav's h Q, presented by Bet Way.
One of our favorite guests and certainly at the top
of the list as far as entertainment value. He's terrific. Well,
it'll take a time out and we'll put the finishing
touches on this week's edition of Cav's HQ. Right after
this on the Cavaliers Radio Network, that's gonna do it
(40:43):
for this week's edition of Cav's h Q, presented by
that Way Boy. Those were two fun conversations. Jim Rosenhouse
from the Guardians Radio Network talking a little Guardians baseball
of course on the passing of one Vince Scully, and
then one of our favorites, Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, talking about
the n b A and of course another sad passing
(41:04):
in that of Bill Russell. Thanks to Kurtain, Marty, Jim Jones,
Thanks to you. Biggest thanks goes to you. The listeners
will talk to you again next week on cam z
Q presented by bet Way on the Cat's radio network.
So until then, so long, everybody,
Welcome to Cam's HQ, presented by Ben Way. Thank you
for joining us on the Cleveland Cavaliers Radio Network. Now
here's your host, Tim Alcorn and Jim Challenge. We get everybody,
and welcome to Cam's h Q. Tim Lcorn, Jim Jones
and Jim We're gonna have another busy show this week too.
(00:32):
Terrific guests of course, a great friend of mine and
a fellow broadcaster, one of the voices on the radio
side for the Cleveland Guardians, Jim Rosenhouse, is going to
stop by and pay us a visit, and then a
little bit later on in the show, we're gonna hear
from one of our favorites every time he joins us.
It's a lot of fun in Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, although
(00:53):
I said, we'll certainly touch on the passing of one
Bill Russell, but it's gonna be an interesting show coming up, yes,
and we'll very informative. I'm a big former Indians now
Guardian fans, a really good, big time fan of Tito
Tito Francona, because even when we played in the sixteen
finals out in San Francisco, who was sitting courtside but
(01:16):
Tito Tinia was right there with us. I know, I
know this guy. He loves basketball also, and he came
to about year in and year out. You know, we're
there four straight terms and un Tito was there sitting
sitting there watching the games, always there. That's a great story,
all right. So we'll take a quick time out. When
we come back, we'll start things off with Rosie, Jim
(01:38):
Rosenhouse and the Guardians Radio Network will join us. So
stay with us on Canvas Group presented by bed Wave
on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Buncome backins Cantasque presented by
bed Way on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Jim Alcorn along
with Jim Jones, and of course our dynamic do Low
(02:00):
on the other side of the window, Marty Allen, Kirk
McLaughlin and our first guest this week is a guy
that I spent some time with the couple of months ago.
I was honored to be asked by the Guardians to
do some baseball work while they were out on the road,
and I did six games in Colorado and in Los
Angeles with Jim Rosenhaus. Rosie part of the Hammy and
(02:24):
Rosie broadcast team for the Guardians, and he now joins
us on calvs HQ two. Maybe talk a little Calves basketball,
but we'll talk to some Guardians baseball as well. Rosie,
it is great to have you, man. It's it's good
to hear your voice and talk to you again. Good
to be here, Tim, And I'm surprised you didn't mention
that your record was five and one. If it comes
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down to it at the end of the year, he
might need to bring in. Well. All I'll say is
when we got on the plane to leave Los Angeles,
Tino mentioned to me Tim we were five even one, so, uh,
Tito was very well aware of it as well. But no,
it was a blast. And again thank you to you
and Curtis dan Berg with the Guardians and the organization
(03:11):
for having me sit in. Uh it was such a joy.
And uh, you and I had a lot of fun
on that trip. And let's kind of start there are
you and Hammy For the most part, I have had
a lot of fun covering this Guardians baseball team this summer.
Such a young team but led by a Hall of
fame manager in Tito Francona. Rosie, how are they doing it?
(03:32):
You know, it's amazing, guys that leaving spring training or
towards the tail end of spring training, there was just
so little buzz because you knew it was going to
be a young team and they were really going to
commit to the young players, and that was exciting because
sometimes you get caught in the middle and and that's
the worst place to be, I think, And they just said, look,
this is a year we really need to find out
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about some young players. And there were some that even
we hadn't really heard much about prior to spring training.
But it's turned into a team that I mean, they
have a fun style of play that's a little bit
different in today's game that's I think so common where
you have those three outcomes it's either a home run,
of walk or strikeout. But this team puts the ball
in play a ton and they run the basis great
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and um when they get the good pitching, they've been
able to win a lot of games. So it's been
a pleasant surprise and really an enjoyable season so far. Rosie,
I just want to thank you for coming on, and
I'll start as we all did. We all started out
in baseball, and I'll tell you what. I got hit
(04:36):
once when I was thirteen, after that at flinch and
cry on anything thrown close to me. I struck out
probably more times than anybody my age when I when
I played a Y M C A baseball. But the
point I want to ask you about is this is
that you've drafted some kids this how do you say
(05:00):
his name, Chase de Lauder, Yes, yes, from James Madison.
What did you see in that kid? I mean you
had a pretty decent draft position, but you picked up
this kid. What did you like about him? You know,
just from the scouting reports and and and listening to
the scouting director after the draft. Another player who he's
(05:21):
an outfielder and he he contact, you know, with very
few strikeouts. And that's kind of what they've been profiling
in the last couple of drafts, trying to get more
contact hitters. You love the power, and he's got a
little bit of power, showed that this spring. But I
think they feel his upside with a lot of contact,
(05:41):
he'll grow into his power. He's a big kid. But
again with as you know it, you know, an NBA draft,
you're bringing in a kid to to help right away.
E's ball, It's it's several years away now. He might
be a little bit closer because he's a college drafted player,
But gosh it, it just seems like it's so far
down the road and you don't worry about it too much.
But at least you know the initial reports are a
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lot of good contact power potential there and a decent
outfielder too. Jim to follow up on Jim Jones's point,
the fact that the Guardians have had so many players
come through the system. I think I heard you guys
talking one night. There's been twelve or thirteen maybe this
year that have made their major league debut with the
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Guardians this season. Just talk about player development and how
these young guys are working through the system to get
to the major league level. It's remarkable. Friday Night starter
Hunter Gaddis coming up to pitch and make his major
league debut. Will be the thirteenth major league debut this season.
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It's unheard of. So with that comes some some ups
and downs, but it's amazing how prepared these players have been.
I mean, immediately they're they're making an impact. Nolan Jones
came up and was on a tear. Stephen Kwan also season,
long after debuting on opening Day, has been tremendous um
you know, and many many others who are playing in
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their first major league season. It doesn't work out, you know,
smoothly for everybody. Some of them have to go back
to the minor leagues. But um, I think what it
tells you is that the development system is real strong.
They're prepared when they get here. Whatever is going on
at Triple A Columbus is really good because when these
guys get up here, sure they're nervous, sure they're excited
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because it's their debut, but they don't seem to be
odd by the moment. And the other part of that
is um. And this kind of tied into the trade
deadline a little bit. The Guardians chose to stand pat
and sometimes that does not go over well with veterans
on a team that's in contention. And again they're heading
into Friday, they were just a game out of first place,
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and the veterans, in a lot of cases, they want
to see the club make some moves, bring in some
established players, some help, so to speak. But the veterans
on this club, they said, you know what, these kids
have earned their spotts and they're doing okay, and they
bring a certain vibe to that clubhouse and and the
day to day and all that kind of good stuff,
and they were totally fine with just leaving it alone
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and seeing what this club could do down the stretch
and finding out more about these young players who was
gonna fit this year but also in the future. Yeah,
thank you, Jimmy. Yeah, that's very interesting because I'm looking
at Tito and it's a credit to you know, to
how he does things, and you know he has that
ability to settle down your veterans. But what I was
doing some homework. Can you explain the bonus pool, the
(08:35):
pick value of the bonus pool? It sounds like it's
similar to the way our lottery is set up in
the NBA. Your first, um, I think it's the first
ten picks, you have a bonus pool. After that we
can blue it around. But that's why you see in
a lot of cases, maybe like a fourth round pick,
they have slots form of what they're supposed to get.
(08:59):
You don't. You're not tied to that. So a lot
of times, maybe a fourth round pick, you'll go below
slot to leave a little extra room for a guy
you think might fall to the eighth round because he's
supposedly not signable, but then you have a sextr money
and you can use that for that slot, so you
have an overall pile of money. They're suggested slots for
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the certain rounds and this is probably way to complicated
for everybody, but hopefully I like that. Yeah, I hopefully
the fans like but anyway, so you can move that around.
And that's where what the Guardians have been really good
at is finding some players who maybe you know they
(09:42):
fell for whatever reason. Maybe they they're coming off Tommy
John surgery, if they're a picture and you're taking a
real chance on them because no one's seen them for
a while. But but you believe in what you saw
before that, and you you believe in the in the
medicals to to get them back to where they should be. Um.
So they that's where that you see all that stuff
moving around in terms of the pool and the slot. Again,
(10:05):
we're talking with Jim Rosenhouse. He's part of the radio
broadcast duo for the Guardians, Hammy and Rosie. We'll take
a quick time out. When we come back, we'll talk
more with Jim about the Guardians and of course the
passing of Vince Gully. So stay with us. It's TV's
HQ presented by Betway on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Welcome
(10:30):
to kev's HQ presented by Betway on the Cavaliers Radio Network.
Tim Alcorn along with Jim Jones, and again we're thrilled
to have with us this week one of the voices
that does Guardians Baseball on the radio, Jim Rosenhouse. Of course,
there are many shared stations on the Cavaliers Radio Network
and the Guardians Radio Network, so a lot of our
Cavs fans that are listening on our network affiliates. Certainly No,
(10:53):
Rosie very very well. Jim, You and I while we
were on the road, Uh, we did a lot of chatting,
had a a couple of good breakfasts. In fact, Jim Jones,
Jim Rosenhouse and I found a great place in Denver.
So when we're playing the Nuggets, when the schedule comes out,
I'm gonna take you to where Rosie and I had breakfast.
But but Rosie, you and I were talking about obviously
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the Guardians, but about the Calves and the similarities between
these organizations. Young players that are hungry and making an impact.
Tito in his life in baseball with his father and JB.
Bickerstaff his life in basketball with his dad, Bernie Bickerstaff.
But share with our listeners what you and I talked
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about that there really are parallels between these organizations. Well,
you know, I think they're at least for this year.
And maybe it's just the way the rosters were constructed.
They're very likable teams, yes, and and their style of play,
I think too, has been a lot of fun. Look,
I'm gonna say I'm a fan. I mean that's I
enjoyed both games, and um, you know, I'll go to
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some Calves games with my kids and wife during the wintertime,
and I think there are most memorable one. I think
it was New Year's Eve or right around there when
they played the Hawks and they lost the game. They
had a ton of jries, but you left there and
you're thinking, man, that's a fun brand of basketball they're playing.
And that was a it was a really good game.
I mean it was a close game. They lost at
the end and Trey Young went wild and I think
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in the fourth quarter. But and I think there's a
lot of nights like that. You know, we always say
it is rare the nights where even if they're losing,
the Guardians don't at least bring the tying run to
the plate in the ninth inning. Yes, And the flip
side of that is, I think they're now at twenty
last at bad wins, which is tops in Major League Baseball.
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So I think that gives you a real good idea
of how competitive they are. And and they don't fear
the late game situations and and maybe the Calves are
the same way. And I know, you know, they pulled
some out late. And I don't know if exceeding expectations
is a fair thing to say, because then you're kind
of putting limits on on teams. But they're sure. We're
fun to watch the Calves in the wintertime, and this
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year's Guardians team has been a lot of fun to
watch two And I think it's style of play. Maybe
the youth has something to do with it too, but
it's been a lot of fun to watch both teams
in the last calendar year. Jimmy, it's almost like they're
feeding off each other because when I was playing, the
Browns were pretty good cardiac kids, and then the Indians
were pretty good with one of my close friends, Albert Bell,
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and so we we had just started to play better.
It seems like they all share in that same atmosphere
of competition. You know, it's it's funny Jim and sixteen
when the Calves wanted all and the Guardians went to
the World Series. Uh, Michael Brantley had season tickets for
the Calves. Um. I think Jason Kitness might have as well.
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I know Tito did. And our games when we were
at home, our games will get done. And if you
guys were still playing across the street, they would sneak
underneath their through the president and find their way at
least into the fourth quarter. And if it was it,
if we had a day game and you guys had
a night game, I don't know where these guys were
finding playoff tickets, but they were there. So and then
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it came full circle in the fall. Um. You know
the memorable scene after the Raj Davis home run in
Game seven of the World Series of Lebron and the
sweet flexing, and uh, you know, all the guys were
up there, and I know they were at a ton
of postseason games, and not just Lebron but the rest
of the team. So they I think they do feed
off each other and it's a lot of fun. That's
(14:34):
a great point. Again, we're talking with Jim Rosenhouse from
the Guardians Radio Network, racist enough to stop by and
pay us a visit, and Rosie coming up a little
bit later in the show, Jim and I will have
a chance to talk with Cedric Cornbread Maxwell of course,
of Boston Celtics fame, and we'll chat with Cornbread about
the passing of Bill Russell and in the world of baseball,
(14:55):
a huge passing this week, the iconic Vin Scully and
h a moment of two as a as a broadcaster
number one, and and also share with our listeners that
you had a chance to meet and interact with Vin.
But just talk a little bit about Vince Scully and
really not only what he meant to the Dodgers, but
to the game of baseball. Name before I do, Jim,
(15:16):
I mean having played out there and and gosh check
her and was one of the best for the Lakers too,
and icon and I imagine Vince Scully was part of
the fabric of the community out there. Yeah he was,
you know. And I had a chance to meet him
a couple of times, and I kept staring at his
hair because it's because not a not one hair moved,
(15:38):
you know, and he was always dressed like he was
a billion there. What a dresser. But when he spoke,
I said, this is a very learned man. His use
of words and to keep it simple, you know, doing
the broadcast and the way he used to let it breed.
You remember that classic stuff man, Well, Tim was alluding
(15:58):
to it. I met him in we were out there
for a series of Dodger Stadium the only time I
met him, and I mean it was like he knew
year for years. He had come out of his booth
and there's a hallway from the main press area to
the radio and television booths, and he had come out
of his and I was walking towards arts and so
I introduced myself, and I mean it was classic Vineo,
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Hi Jim, Welcome to the Major League. And it just was,
you know, it's just a minute or two. I know
Tom has has spent a lot more time with him
over the years, but I always saw it was was
great about Ben Scully. Um. I don't think it was
(16:41):
it was planned, but somehow, some way, his stories during
the course of his play by play where legendary. And
that's the you know, the biggest difference from what you
guys do on on basketball moves so much quicker. There's
a lot of downtime and a lot of room for
stories in the baseball broadcast. And it was amazing because
he tell a story while a player was at bad
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and if he wasn't quite done, these guys would foul
off pitch after story, throw the first a little bit
and and foul off another picture, two until he's done
with this story. And it was amazing knowing everyone else like,
we gotta go the commercial, finish the story next to
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never Vince. You know, there's a million great cause that
he's had, but to me, that was was always the
you know, the separator for him. He was so great
at him And we'll wrap things up by ending where
we began, Jim. Three of the games that I did
with you earlier this year, we're at Dodger Stadium, and
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just the presence he wasn't there, but the presence of
Vince Scully was palpable in the press box. It's the
Vince Scully press box, and just knowing where he worked,
you could feel it. Just the legendary status that he
has within that organization. For sure, but certainly throughout the
game of baseball. It's incredible, there's no question. And a
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gentleman my name of Joe Davis is following um Vince Scully.
He started UM while Vinn was still doing the games,
kind of helping with the transition. And then he's taken
over as that that TV voice and UM, as he says,
you know, he's not replacing Vince Scully. He just happens
to be the next guy. UM. And and as you said, there,
(18:28):
there's so much there real quick before we go, did
you say Cornbread Maxwell's coming on next? Yes, he is.
You let him know that I did two years high
school basketball in Kinston, North Carolina at his high school
when I was doing when I was doing the Kinston
Indians my first two years in baseball, my offseason job.
(18:49):
Jerry Stackhouse was the big But let him let him
know that I did their games for a couple of
years back in the early nineties. That's great and we
will pass that along. That's really cool stuff. Well, Rosie again,
good to talk to you again, not only a fellow
broadcaster but a great friend. Great to have you on
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Cav's HQ. And uh yeah, we'll set you up with
some more tickets for Can's games during this winter. Thank you,
thank you, thanks, Thanks Rosie, Jim Rose and I was
joining us here on Cav's HQ presented by bett Way.
Gret hear from Rosie will take a quick time out
and as Jim just plugged, we will indeed have a
(19:30):
conversation with Cedric Cornbred Maxwell that comes up next, So
stay with us on the Cavaliers Radio Network. Last Monday
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CABS HQ presented by Betway after this on the Cavaliers
Radio Network. Welcome Back CAB's HQ presented by Betway. On
(20:29):
the Cavaliers Radio Network, tim Aldeborn along with Jim Jones.
Of course, the dynamic duo. On the other side, Kurt
McLoughlin and Marty Allen. And again a great big thank
you to Jim Rosenhouse for stopping by and paying us
a visit. And up next into that Legends chair is
one Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, one of our favorite guests on
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CAB's HQ presented by bed Way. He has given us
some memorable moments and we thought it would be appropriate
to have said back on this week because for as
many laughs and as many great times as we've had,
was said, we wanted to start things off at least
in this conversation, uh, touching on the passing of one
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Bill Russell, certainly one of the greatest to ever laced
them up in the NBA, but not only that, his
work in civil rights and in social justice just a
majestic human beings. So said, first of all, welcome back.
As I said, we'd love to have you on this show.
And I'm sure you and Jim will get much further
(21:32):
into this, but just your initial thoughts on the passing
of one Bill Russell. Well, as we do in the
black community, that's the celebration of life. Uh. You know,
this dude was so great in what he did, and
as Jim will tell you absolutely, you know, hands down
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the greatest win they're ever in sports in American history,
with the number of championships. As good as he was
as a player an athlete, he was a better person
for social issues and injustices and all those things that
go along. He sat on the front lines. And Jim,
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I I heard somebody mentioned me and I've done a
bunch of interviews talking about Bill Russell, and they said, well,
we're gonna talk to Celtic legends, Centric Maxwell, and he's
going to talk about a legend, Bill Russell. I said, dude,
don't pisus in the same breath when you talk about
a legend. Bill Russell was a legend. I'm just a
(22:36):
who played, you know, basketball because he was extraordinary in
so many different ways. And the world is a little
bit smaller because of of of Russell leaving, but it's
a little bit better with Russell being in this world
with the things he's done. Yes, Will said, Will said,
Bread and just want to thank you again for sitting in.
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You are our best, In fact, you're our most frequent
guest because you're tremendous insight and our dear friendship. But
Bill Russell was my idol. And I don't talk much
about idols and heroes, but I've read everything I could
on Russell is Up from Glory, which all of us
had to read it, you know, at junior high school.
It was in the library, and second Win and Russell's
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rules that then read in me. I've read them all man.
And then I've got a couple of Sports Illustrated covers.
You know who he has all the rings on his hands,
and then the other to where he had been golfing.
It was early in his career. They had him on
the cover Sports Illustrated. I had both of those in
my possession. But the main thing I wanted to talk
about Russell was his social consciousness, because that's what separated him,
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I thought, from all of the modern day and former
and puts him in a class there with Paul Robes
and and also puts him in the class there with Ali.
It puts him in the same vein as all of
those Jackie Robinson, of course, but those were the times,
wasn't it, Brent. Those were the times you're talking about
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with Bill Russell. And you know, as as much as
I want to to talk about those issues. I'm gonna
highlight and say the funny things about Russell there. Russell
was funny as hell. Jim every time he saw me.
I'm not sure if he did this to you, but
every time the man saw me, he was smile. I
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would smile. I was the way he was smiling at me.
And the next thing he do he gave me the
me middle finger, and I said, dude, why are you
doing that? And he give me the finger. If he
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liked you, he gave you the middle finger, give me
should get damn hands. So that's what Russell was. He was.
He was a chameleon. He uh, he loved the game.
He loved people, but he loved the key people. Jessie, uh,
you know, and who he was and what he did.
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And we talked about the city of Boston and you know,
winning more championships even during the time they won. You know,
he can't even do a Jimmy how the Lakers said,
you know, uh, three people, Well this many times in
a row, back to back back, that's how many times
they won championships in a row. And he did it
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several times. As a coach. He was the first black
coach in the NBA. Uh do I my knowledge Maybe
the person black coach in North America. I'm not sure
about that. One I know in the NBA, and one
he won championships even coaching. I was there when when
Dave Cowards was a player coach for US. Dave Cowards
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was not good, he was a great. He couldn't bridge
those two things together. And that's what it was so
extraordinary about Bill. He was there. Jim, you'd like to say,
you know, you and I laugh about stuff when Martin
Luther King was speaking speaking, I have a dreams was there.
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He was looking for a row. I mean, we looked
at that stuff on TV. He lived history. He was history.
And that's what makes him so unique. When you talk
about somebody that you and I literally have shook his
hand and we were there on those doorsteps when you
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sit down and talk to him for a few minutes.
And I never talked to him a long period of time,
but a few minutes I got it was always some
kind of insight about life and and how things happened
during that particular time. He even told me one story.
He didn't tell me this story, but actually the great
Sam Jones told me. They were in a lunch room. Uh.
(27:02):
And let's say Fort Wayne, Indiana. And when Fort Wayne
had their team and Sam rushes up to the Counterdar
because Sam said I was the fastest one. So I
got up there with my trade and I was ready
pay for my food. And the woman white woman said,
excuse me, sir, but we we don't suck. We don't
serve colors here. And it was just like what And
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That's what I'm talking about. You know, we look at
the young guys now, we even look at ourselves, and
we see the difference of the shoulders that we had
to stand one like that. His commitment to social issues
and social justice was the foundation for everything that the
NBA is about today as far as social consciousness and
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diversity and inclusion. It all started with with with Jackie,
of course, but it's come this far because of people
like Bill Russell. But I want to tell you another
humor story. We were playing someone and bridge you know
how emotional I could get through the course of the game,
So I filed. I fouled somebody, which I did quite frequently,
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and uh, I didn't think it was a file. Bill
Russell was doing the game right, and so I jumped
up in the air and he announced, well, there's Chune.
He disagreed with that call, and I jumped in the
air and I was holding that deficial and Bill said,
look it, if he comes down, it's a technical. Oh
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that's great. Humor was unmatched. Oh when he did games
with Brent Musburger and that infectious laugh of his. I
mean he enjoyed the broadcast, but he also knew when
to step back and just let the game speak for himself.
Yes he did. Man. Yeah, forget about that moment. You're
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talking about the games he did when he was on TV.
How about the one he did with Rick Barrett that
will always go down people won't remember. But he he
did the game with Rick Berry, and I want to
say it my other bed. It wasn't much Burger, but
somebody else who was the head guy. And he has
(29:11):
a picture of Bill Russell and he's smiling and and
the guy all of a sudden looks at Rick Berry.
Said Hey, Rick, you know who that is? Some one
like that, And Rick Berry said, yeah, I know who
that is with that big war the Midlon smile. Oh
my god. Yeah. It was a moment which will live
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in forever and did not say anything for the rest
of the broadcast bill bill. So even then I was
gonna make a stance regardless of what was happening. That's
he spoke loudly without saying a word, Golden. Yeah, we'll
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take a quick time out again. One of our favorite guests,
Cedric Cornbred Maxwell from the Boston Celtics, joins us. We'll
hear more from said after this on Kevi's h CO
presented by Bed Way on the Cavalier's Radio Network. Continuing
(30:26):
our conversation with said Maxwell from the Boston Celtics, Yours
truly Tim Elthorne, along with Jim Jones and Jim Get
things started with said here in segment too, we talked
about Russell and the tradition of Boston winning. Uh. You
made Uh you picked up Brobden. Uh. There was a
lot of rumors that you guys had a chance to
(30:47):
pick up Kevin Durant. I'd like to hear your thoughts
on it. It looks like you guys feel that you're
that close. Here my thoughts. You am above to get
your text messages we get all of a sudden, Joe,
I get the best of Jim Chong said, Now you
got your point guard he I love to me, Brodon,
(31:14):
this is one hell of a player. He's a point guard.
You can shoot the basketball. I think the Tom Bowler Marcus,
I think it's going to be good. Uh. Now they
keep talking about Kevin duran Would you make the trade
for Kevin Durant? And they're looking right now and jay
Len Brown. Now you're asking me, I love jay Len Brown.
(31:35):
I absolutely love jay Len Brown. But if I had
an opportunity to go out and get Kevin durand Jay
you better get your get your street clothes because right
now you're packing up because there there are there are
a few exceptional players in this league which changed the
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tipperman of a team or change trajectory. He's one of
and you look at him and you go, well, why
would you say that? Because he's such a dynamic score.
I remember when the Boston stuffing to were about to
make a move, and everybody at one time love Al Jefferson.
Al Jefferson with the Boston Suffis many years ago, was
(32:17):
this up and coming second year guy couldn't be stopped
in the post. Unbelievable, And all of a sudden there
was rumors that you were about to make a trade
for Kevin Garnett and myself and Tommy Heins, we all
were like, oh, you'll make that trade, he Jonger. They
made that trade. I saw Kevin Garnett played the first game,
(32:38):
I was like, well, Alan was nice. Kevin Garnet was
a different maker. He was a culture changer. He changed
Paul Pierce's temperament. He changed Ray Allen. He made Boston
into a dynamic winning club. Now it's Kevin garn that
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Kevin the Red like that. No, that's not this temperament.
But what he is he is a score Jim and
and that nobody can stop in this movie. The only
way ton stop him as him. And if you had
him on your team against Golden State during the Fouers,
you win it. You have another ring. So that's why
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I said, I think that you know, you have to
look at it evaluated. But for me, I make that move. Yeah.
One other thing. You remember what I text you about
Tatum because he was taking all the blame and I'm
looking at you and I'm looking at your play. And
remember I said it was your point guard play in
the closing minutes in the fourth quarter. Uh. Smart is
(33:44):
not a creator consistently and that's when you need deep
you know, defense are at their best and you gotta
get the best people. That never happened. I didn't want
him taking the blamers. Why is this kid taking the
blame for not scoring the fourth quarter? Where where was
the point guard play? You know, and you know when
you get Jim, you know, when you get the big
(34:04):
bucks and people look at you as the star, they
don't look around at anybody else. They just look at
that particular player and see that he elevated this game. Yes,
you would want to have easier shots. I think that
that is true. And the other thing that might have
happened because he was handling the basketball so much he
turned it over. When you talked about he had almost
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he had almost a hundred turnovers during that during the
NBA Finals and and and that to me were during
the whole you know playoffs system. He or he broke
a record. So that's me is another thing that you
have to look at with the Celtics and who they are.
And you know, Brad Pat Brad Stevens, you know, he's
(34:48):
done a pretty good job. Is GM. Now, Now that's
deplore that trigger and make another move. I think that's
going to be a gooing already got Gallinari. I like
that move is to look extend your court presence with
he's shooting the basketball, but I just don't like. I
just love Kevin Durant. I love Kevin Durant. So in
(35:09):
your view, said, you think that's still percolating, you think
there's still a possibility of Durant ended up in Boston. Well,
I think that that's that's the package that they want.
They that I keep hearing is that they want a
dynamic player like ground who was going to be an
All Star. There's no doubt in my mind he's going
to be an All Star. And I think that Jim
(35:31):
and I would would would say this, and knowing the game,
you can't take it personally when people start talking about
trading you. It means that other teams, you know, value
you that much more. Yeah, So don't take it personal
that somebody say, hey, you know you might get traded.
You have to be a great player to make that
(35:53):
kind of move, to make it happen. In so many
ways that I've been traded, Jim has been traded before. Hell,
I was traded for a guy who was who loved
the grateful day to be a ball. So just say
I personally that that was just business. That's what they
wanted to do. And read our red our back set
(36:13):
it best, never ever fall in love with the product.
Always be able to look at it evaluated and make
a decision if it's going to make your team better
or not. Oh that's a great point. Again, we're talking
with Set Maxwell from the Boston Celtics. Of course, he's
a legend on that Celtics wall and certainly a part
(36:36):
of their broadcast team now as he joins us here
on CALVS. HQ said, I'm always interested to get the
other side's perspective of the Cavaliers. We can sit here
and talk about the Celtics and I love doing that
with you. But just real quick, what do you think
of what the Cavaliers are and are becoming? Well? I
(36:57):
think they've they've become a a very tresting club and
if they can stay healthy, I just hope that they
don't go out and make some kind of moves and
the move that that, you know, the million dollar move,
would be for them to go back somehow and get
Lebron James to come back. I think that would stifle
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a young basketball club. You have some young players who
are developing into very good players. And if you come
in and bring a veteran in like Lebron who was
still you know, still this show, then I think he's
going to take away from the growth from those other
young players that you might have. I've seen Garland Garland.
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You know that first year Garland selves at best point
guard that nobody took. Well. This year he came back
and proved exactly his point And then you have all
these other guys who I think mobile these This is
a good young club that has to really just be
patient and not think, hey, we're gonna win the championship immediately.
(38:01):
If they look at the long term, the long term,
this Cavs team could be good for a long time. Yeah,
and I know you're right about that because from everything
I've heard, that's exactly how they're thinking. Now. The East
just seems to be positioning itself. You guys have have
to be donber One. I thought you just there were
(38:22):
two games. I thought you could have one going into
the fourth quarter. But we already talked about that. It
got away from you. But but but but bred talk
a little bit about the Eastern Conference and how hot
it is. Well, it's gonna be. It's going to be amazing. Um,
what happens right now with Milwaukee with military coming back,
(38:44):
some of the players that they've they've gotten. Uh you
still look at Joel Embiid is you know, arguably the
most dominant big in the league right now. Uh, will
Philly be able to make that next move? Um? You know,
Miami is still going to be in the mix. They
still got good players, and Jimmy Butler and and and
(39:05):
they am those are really good players. It's going to
be it's going to be adult fight. It's going to
be adult fight. For a lot of the team's out there,
I didn't and in some of them it I didn't understand,
Like like the trade that they had uh down in
um Atlanta to get Murray from and then tell me
I didn't. I didn't particularly like that because to me,
(39:28):
I think Trade needs the ball to be effective and
Murray needs the ball to be effective. So I'm not
sure how that combo is gonna work. M Interesting stuff. Well,
on that note, our friend, we're gonna let you go again.
Great insights. As always, thank you for sharing your stories
about Bill Russell, the all time greatest Boston Celtic and
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thoughts on the NBA in general. It is always so
much fun to have you joining us here on Cam's HQ.
Thank you Jillan for having me. I appreciate love. It
will not I'm sure I'll be back again, and I
can't wait for the alcohol. You will have it. You
will have it. I'll call as soon as we get
off the phone. Alright, my brother Cedric corn Bread Maxwell
(40:19):
joining us here on Cav's h Q, presented by Bet Way.
One of our favorite guests and certainly at the top
of the list as far as entertainment value. He's terrific. Well,
it'll take a time out and we'll put the finishing
touches on this week's edition of Cav's HQ. Right after
this on the Cavaliers Radio Network, that's gonna do it
(40:43):
for this week's edition of Cav's h Q, presented by
that Way Boy. Those were two fun conversations. Jim Rosenhouse
from the Guardians Radio Network talking a little Guardians baseball
of course on the passing of one Vince Scully, and
then one of our favorites, Cedric Cornbread Maxwell, talking about
the n b A and of course another sad passing
(41:04):
in that of Bill Russell. Thanks to Kurtain, Marty, Jim Jones,
Thanks to you. Biggest thanks goes to you. The listeners
will talk to you again next week on cam z
Q presented by bet Way on the Cat's radio network.
So until then, so long, everybody,
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