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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Way are back. It is Colts Corn with myself, Kevin
Bow and Eddie Garrison is with me. It is a
late Thursday night, very late for Eddie, so appreciate him
joining us here on this Friday morning. We are going
to recap Colts and Ravens preseason opener. What was the
final score? Twenty four to sixteen? Was it that?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think so? By the way, I love that the.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
NFL now it just ends preseason games and ties. That
is awesome to see. The Colts avoided that, but it's
one of the games last night and in a tie.
A ton to get to on today's pod. Obviously a
lot from last night and really unfortunate rookie injury news,
so we'll hit on that as well. Eddie, good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good morning, and I appreciate you being appreciative of me.
But I think we're equaling the same boat here, just
because you know, you host a morning show at seven am,
and that game did not really end early into the
night last night for you either, so we're probably, you know,
operating on the same amount of sleep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Never been a big fan of the primetimers, but no
one wants to care about that. They would like to
hopefully hear a little bit of analyzing I guess from
last night. So let's get into it. We'll start with
the quarterbacks and then, you know, try to get into
our regular season mode of hey, what did I like?
What did I not like? But let's start with the quarterbacks,
and obviously begin with Anthony Richardson. I guess there is
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part of me that, you know, feels the need to
look at the three passes that he did throw. He
was two of three last night, Eddie, and you know
the one called back due to the illegal man downfield
the screen to WARRENIM it seemed like, and I think
the injury play also plays into this, it seemed like
there was a very concerted effort to kind of lock
onto Ady Mitchell. H You know, he had the one
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comeback with that pocket kind of collapsing as the first completion,
and then if you watch the near interception the third
and seven. I liked on second thirteen him just finding
more again, that's kind of simple. Get to third and seven,
get to manageable. Now you're back into managable field goal range.
You have a chance to convert and seven. I didn't
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love that he locks in on Mitchell not open. And
if you throw laid across the middle on a third
and long, oh boy, you're just you're asking for disaster.
And it nearly was. He nearly gets picked off there
over the middle of field, trying to find duel in
there over the middle. And yes, again the pocket is
not necessarily ideal. But you know that's one where maybe
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in the preseason he's like, no, I'll test it here,
but in the regular season, I'll eat it. That's probably
giving him too much credit, but that's when you got
to eat you know, third and seven, throw it at
the feet of dueling. Don't even give your chance for
a turn over there, and again a sack would have
been obviously knocking you out of field goal range in
all likelihood there. So I guess that is the extreme
(02:44):
overreaction to three snaps of him. But obviously let's go
to the play that he gets injured on. The injury itself,
by all accounts, doesn't sound to be too severe.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Jordy Schultz said around nine o'clock this morning that he'll
be back on the practice field soon.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, so against Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Yeah, the cultural practice
and that hit itself, like you know, we have this
label with Anthony Richardson, and it's unfortunate. Is the injury prone?
Nothing last night Eddie changed my thought on that, Like
that sort of hit a you know, you're not bracing
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yourself for a two hundred and fifty pounds individual revving
up and hitting you where he did. I'd venture to
guess most NFL players would dislocate a finger. Most quarterbacks
would dislocate a finger in that situation. Obviously, him having
to leave due to any injury is not good for
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his own rep needed self. He needs all the reps,
especially on a night when it was supposed to be
his night. He was supposed to get the bulk of
the work there. So I think you kind of start
there of like again, injury prone. Like I still feel
the same sort of injury questions about Anthony Richardson going
into last night as I did exiting last night. I
don't think that one changes much for me. The issue
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for me is how the injury happened, and it was
a misidentification by your third year quarterback. That is the
clear most obvious issue to me. And you know Anthony
obviously admitted it after the game, and you know, by
all accounts that identification pre snap is rather elementary for
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an NFL quarterback, and for you to miss that in
an August seventh preseason game setting, what two first team
starters out there for the Ravens defense, by no means,
is you know, Zach Orr and Chuck Pagano trying to
be super exotic with you. You're as vanilla as you
can come in a preseason setting. And for you not
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to see that, And yet, Eddie, when you look around
him offensively last night, on that play in particular, the
rookie right tackle sees it, the rookie tight end season,
the rookie run seize it. And for you to be
the one not on the same page. And even post snap, Eddie,
there were a couple tells right away. You know, pre
snap you can identify it, but post snap, you know,
once you see that end dropping, And again, how much
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of this is like locking it on? Ad eighty was
on that left side of the field. You know, I'm
trying to get a little bit more into why behind
that play. For him not to see it, that would
have me calling wee girl hair endy if I'm chang stiking,
oh boy, like what is going on here? Can you
trust him? Can you trust him? And I think that
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is a very real question. You know, this gets into okay,
what about game wraps for him? You know, let's say
he starts week one, Eddie, that'll be a sixteenth career
NFL start. I mean that's not even a full season. No,
So then you get into this internal debate. And I
know this conversation has come up more in the last
few months because Chris Bowers brought it up. Hey, we
we rushed him in there as a rookie. Well, like,
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does Anthony Richardson learn that play last night in a
meeting room or does he have to experience it to
learn it?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean that's day one install stuff though, right.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So like, again, theoretically he learned that right in a
meeting room, but do you have to learn it again
on the field? And again, this just gets into what
makes his overall evaluation so complicated and so frustrating because
it continues to lead to you know, negative areas. I
guess is probably the best way to put it. So
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summarize it all, Eddie. It doesn't sound like his absence
will be too too long. You have to flip the
quarterback situation for me, for Green Bay, if you really
want to make this competition go.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
On, because it essentially flipped yet last night.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's got to be Richardson for a quarter and a
half a week from Saturday against Green Bay. Then maybe
you make a decision after that and dress rehearsal it
up agains Cincinnati. I don't know, Maybe you continue it
for one more week. Training camp's over, you know after
this coming week, Thursday's joint practice is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The end of it. So but.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The injury itself, the injury prone narrative, none of that
matters too too much to me. Yes, the fact that
you had to leave the game matters. It's more of
a you're gonna watch thirty one other NFL teams salivate
over watching that play, and now they're gonna sit there
and say, how else can we confuse him? How else
can we make things be difficult for him? Because that
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should be a very anticipatory play where you realize it
and you find DJ Giddens for three or four yards
and you move on. But instead he gets hurt and
honestly he's fortunate to hold on the ball. Yeah, I
mean that very easily could have been a turnover in
your own territory.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, he did lose it, yeah, and he got it back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean that could be catastrophic in a road environment
against a quality opponent, et cetera, et cetera. So that's
pretty much everything I've got on Richardson Eddie.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, what did you think about Daniel Jones?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I thought he's I thought he's better than the stat
line looks like he was ten of twenty one Gouls
had two drops, Giddens had one probably, I don't know.
The fifty to fifty balls with Mitchell, I thought he
didn't get a very favorable flag on.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I thought one of them was severely underthrown the deep ball, yeah,
where he had like two steps behind the.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, I know some of those. It's like, you know,
like Cooper rushed those the front shoulder and throw the
instead of the back shoulder, and like if you really
back shoulder it, you can win there.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And get a PI. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well I'm not saying that, you just you know, you're not.
Is that a pure go route right or do you
read that back shoulder? I thought Jones was fine if
I had to compare him to what I've seen so
far in Grand Park. I do think last night, he
was probably a little bit better than he has been. Again,
ten to twenty one with four drops. Ten to seventeen
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isn't a great night by any means. But I did
think at his best he gave I would say probably three, four,
maybe even five opportunities for notable yards after catch instride,
you make a play, you turned you know eight into thirteen,
you know nine into you know seventeen, things like that
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to a variety of guys. That's a really key part
obviously to playing quarterback, particularly this offense. I thought his
best play the night was probably that second and seven
where he rolled to his left. He's definitely under pressure.
It doesn't end in a sack, it doesn't end in
a throwaway, and he finds dueling for twenty twenty five
something like that. Dolan, you know, did a lot with
it after the catch, but I thought that was what
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Jones can do with his legs. So, you know, when
you talk about the Colts quarterback situation, Eddie, the bar
is so pathetically low. It's arguably different than every NFL team.
So like when I sit here and say, well, I
mean I think Daniel Jones was okay, I mean it,
But then like, if I I watched whatever Jordan Love
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quarterback of Camp for ten straight days, and then you
told me to weigh him up against that, I'd probably
be like, oh, that's a little different.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's like yesterday, I'm playing in this golf at and
they're like, yeah, Kevin, how but if you be the
long drive guy, I'm like, Okay, guys, I don't really
hit a long drive. I can get the ball airborne,
So like people like look at that and they're like, oh, wow,
that's that's pretty good. But then like if you get
some other people on the tee that can really hit it,
They're like, wait, you're the long drive guy. You like
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have Greg Maddox's fastball. I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, sorry.
It's just like Daniel Jones playing quarterback. It's like, well
do you save? But like in the grand scheme of
thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL, he's not that good.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you have the precision like a Greg Maddox? Kevin,
are you hitting the fairways every time?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That I wish? I wish I was Fred Funk honestly
driving it, But whatever, that's neither hitting r there. Again,
I thought he had some nice on target in stride
moments another there about four or five of them, and
you know him and Richardson both they did not receive
very firm pocket perimeters. No, you know, Ross Travis and
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Blake Freeland in there for two and a half quarters.
I did think there was some leakage there coming off
the edge. So all in all, I to summarize the
quarterback night, how do you not look at it as
a win for Daniel Jones? As sad as that sounds,
I mean, the injury and all of that plays into it.
The misidentification plays into that. Now, if I had to
evaluate purely Jones himself, I think the night was about
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what we've seen so far, maybe slightly better. And you know,
when Shane Stegin says is going to come down in consistency,
I think there also is a way to look at that,
Eddie and say, it's going to come down to who
do you trust? And when that question is asked, it
is if you want to live in that bubble. Now again,
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I want to live in a bubble of just getting
answer on Richardson. H Like that's it. He answer on
Richardson and you know what he happens to be the
higher ceiling quarterback, So play him. That's my thought process.
But the Colts probably live in a different thought process.
They're living in a very week to week world when
now et cetera, et cetera, all of that, and if
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they do live in that world, I mean, last night
was a good night for Danion Jones. How does that sounds?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Just to summarize and wrap up here the QB thoughts
just mentioned Riley Leonard. I know there's people out there that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Riley definitely made plays with his legs.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now, again, he did that against probably people he saw
more often than not in college. Can you do it
against you know, first team defense guys and maybe when
there's more of a scheme against you. How it made
to be seen? I thought he had a couple of
nice throws, but you know, I thought he definitely had
some inaccurate moments as well. You know, I'll continue to
stand by nice, developmental sixth round quarterback. He has massive
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strides to take within the pocket. Like I've said that
like a million times about Colts quarterbacks lately. If Richardson
was out for some reason, I would go sign somebody else.
I don't know if I would want to be one
play away from life with Riley Leonard right in the
nice reasert ear form and see what you got.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
For those of you that may be newer to the podcast,
my guess is during the preseason, keV will do it
continue doing it this way, like, Hey, we'll break down
the quarterbacks, then get into what you liked, what you
didn't like. I like. Of course, during the regular season
it'll just be well intro brief thoughts about the game,
get into what you liked or didn't like, depending on
how the outcome of the game went. So let's pivot
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now to what you did like, even though the Coltsleus
were going to start there just because there were some
positive to takeaway from this game.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, let's start with Tyler Warren. Three catches and three targets,
four if you want to include the penalty. I thought
four very different routes too, And honestly, the routes that
he ran last night or the plays that he made,
I can think of like three or four other ways
they involved him at Grand Park that we didn't see
last night. I mean, they are going to get him
the ball, They're going to use him all over the field,
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it's just going to be a high targeted, touched individual
by the Colts offense.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He played all twenty snaps in the first three series.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Diddy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, gosh, it seemed like he was
out there. It was a him and ogle Tree. Was
that the starting tight end? I think ogle Tree kind
of blown up a little bit on that first play,
but yeah, I think that was the starting tied in
dual last night. So yeah, very good night for Warren.
I think you like what you saw. I thought JT.
Twoymollawau had a good first debut. They his body type
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is not Dio Dangbo, but they seemingly have used him
a little bit like that versatile inside on the passing downs.
You know, he was really freed up very well for
a stunt sack there at one point, but made a
couple of plays. I think Nate Atkins said bone Bruce
for him after the game and chatting with him in
the locker room. So hopefully that's not going to sideline
him for too long. But I thought the first two
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picks you had to be pleased with, you know, shout
out to Ashton Doolan. I just what a nice career man.
Just he's still here, and he's still damn reliable, and
he had a couple of plays as a receiver last night,
and obviously he's a key special teamer. I mean, hell
Is College that he went to, it doesn't even have
football anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hey yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yet here he is just carving out a really nice
undrafted career. Good to see Jelani Woods catch a couple
from Riley Leonard late. I think it's a I think
it's a notable hill for him to climb to make
the roster. But good to see Jelani Woods out there
a little bit late. What else you know? Alex Johnson
at corner, he had that early pick, great play in
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the air, and then later he knocked away a ball
and I think it was a third and ten. Right now,
he's knocking on that door, like who's next at corner?
And I guess we should probably just get to Justin
Wally Now. I just flat out sucks, just absolutely sucks.
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Torn a sale in the joint practice. Shane announced it
last night after the game. I don't know in the
nine years of Chris Ballard if I've heard the amount
of public praise by various individuals within that building for him.
I mean a variety of people have made sure that
they have praised him, and you know we've seen the
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playmaking too, if I'm not mistaken again, I wasn't there,
but I believe he got hurt or towards acl on
play that he knocked the ball away in the joint practice.
I mean that just kind of shows you who he's been.
So he was your starting third corner, and I don't
think there was much debate even if Jalen Jones and
Juju Brins would have stayed healthy. Now that's me projecting
a little bit, but now what happens at corner. You
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know the position on paper, Eddie, you didn't have like
when we did the positional mock draft back in whatever April,
I didn't have corner as a third round need, right
And if Jalen Jones and jud Brent's were healthy right
now and have shown a nice arrow, I don't know
if I would act like the Wally injury is super significant,
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but given their statuses Jones and Brents, it right now
is pretty significant. And I get that you're a month away,
you know right now, where a month yesterday was a
season opener, But you know, you think about Week one
with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle and some of those
white houts early in the season and lou Ane Rumo
wanting to play multiple dbs. You know, again, what is
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this going to look like over time? That I think
is a huge, huge question that you do have. So again,
this is a storyline to watch. What does corner death
look like? Is Alex Johnson pushing? Is Samuel Womack back
in an important role for you? He's probably had an
up and down camp. Jonathan Edwards a corner out of
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tu Lane, an undrafted free agent, you know it, could
he be a UDFA on your roster. Johnson comes over
from New York as an undrafted kid the year prior
with Jerome Henderson who's the dB coach now with the Colts.
So that's something probably worth pointing out as well. But yeah,
I thought Johnson had a couple moments there, and honestly,
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the pass defense in general, I mean John Harball was
laughing about it after the game. He goes, you think
team's ever won in a preseason game throwing for fifty
nine yards in a game, So pass defense wise, I
thought the Colts did a nice job. Joe Botchi obviously
had the big interception there early as well.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Man, he just makes place, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He He does? He does, Yeah, particularly honestly in the
past game.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now, bless you man.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That sneeze felt so good. Gosh, felt good to get
that out. Now it's the transition. Things I didn't like
you mentioned linebacker there. I thought the linebacker run fits
were horrid. Oh my god. The run defense was horrific,
just gash. I mean how the Ravens won the game
thanks to what running the ball and special teams. That's
pretty literally pretty much why they won the game. So yeah,
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the run defense, yeah, linebacker wise, oh boy, not ideal
at all. I thought Hunter Wooler had a moment or
two and also definitely had some whiffs coming up as
a safety and playing against the run there, special teams,
the coverage. Brian Mason is not going to like watching
that film.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
The big punt return, the big kick return, just brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal,
one hundred and eight yards and penalties Eddie, that is
that would be by far a season high if we
want to look back on last year. So that is
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something as well, just to keep an eye on You know,
Colts have usually not been a very penalized team under Stanstichen,
but he was not happy about that post game and
he shouldn't have been, you know, gool hat a couple
of drops. I really don't can't recall many, if any,
he's had in camp. He's been one of the more
productive white outs in camp, so i'd throw that in there.
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The eighty Mitchell Knight, I don't know, Eddie. It's he
catches on six targets, two catches on six targets, which
that ratio is not good. I don't think it was
as egregious of a night for Mitchell as it looked
on paper, though, Like if you didn't watch the game
and you see two on six, you don't like that.
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If you watch the game again. You brought up Jones
kind of slightly under throwing them. I thought there were
a couple fifty a couple of plays it could have
been flagged. It turned into fifty to fifty moments. I'd
like to see him come down with one of those,
but again I'm not I don't think it was as
bad as it was at times last year, and just
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a little bit of a timing with Jones one time there,
So you know, before the game, I really wanted to
see Mitchell in like those alligatory arm moments. I wanted
to see him put into those situations, and I don't
think he was in a lot of them. So you know,
he's been terrific Mitchell, but game settings is just a
different animal for him. So I think that probably covers
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everything on my end. Eddie Again, offensive tackles I Ryman
and Bradsmith are just going to mean so much for you.
That does concern me a little bit here. But unless
you think you have anything else to add, I guess
should we talk a little Spencer Trader? Yeah, to mention
it weirdly, I bet he's I bet I've seen him kick.
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I don't know twenty field goals this this camp in season,
I bet he's made sixteen of them. I'd venture to
guess all the misses have been maybe all but one
have been north of fifty, and I swear they all
have been off the upright now, I know he missed one.
I think a little bad to end the Baltimore joint
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practice based off a two minute drill that I was
reading about from people that were there, so that one
would be different, but like all this misses. I mean
I literally feel like I'm watching Matt Gay kick. I
mean like outside of them, like not having anywhere to
have the same body type.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well, look he learned from him. When do you expect Jev?
But it's like it's been like the same exact.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I guess Matt Gay had that big hook going last year,
whereas I guess he'll kind of a slight one last
night for those that watch to miss kick, but great
opportunity kick for field goals last night. I think he's
the leader. I think he'll be your kicker and then
you just kind of wait and see his season moves along.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Hit one from fifty three right, Yes, had plenty of
leg left.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean leg is no, I mean no, leg
is no issue. This is not hot rod where you're like, wait,
does he have the leg or does he not of
the leg?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
No, no, no, he he can boom it. It's just
you know what's going to happen when it all gets real.
And you know the one he missed last night. They
threw him out there kind of in a two minutes.
You know, probably the more pressure packed kick and you know,
snap and hold looked good. But you know, you kind
of ran them out on the field and all of that,
so I assume he will be your kicker.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Before we get into Twitter questions, the remaining camp schedule
will practice Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then they're off until thirdday, right,
and that'll be the final training kit practice with the
Green Bay Packers at Grand Park. And that one is
a three o'clock and I think I know Saturday and
Sunday or four o'clocks. I can't remember. Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Monday is as well, So yeah, they're done with the
morning practices. Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. As you said, Eddie,
four o'clock each day. I would guess Saturday is a
little light and then Sunday and Monday would be a
little bit more ramped up. Tuesday and Wednesday or off,
so then you recharge the batteries for like you said,
that green Bay joint, it sounded like on this broadcast
last night, Kenny Moore kind of hinted at like he's
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going to get out there for the Green Bay game.
I don't know if that was just him talking or
if that's real, because Shane's always been like, if we
have jointed practice we're not going to play those guys,
right and they sat. I think I did the math
last night and I'll use this quotes Eddie. They had
three defensive starters a lot too, and Quity pay played
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a series and then cammer Groan right now, is listen
as a starter? Offensively? If you call Richardson a starter,
you had four I think Richardson, Tyler, Warren, hannerh Bordolini
and Mackenzlvos. So you played about six ish starters there.
You know me, I've always been a believer that you
play more of those guys.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But I'm not holding my breath at all.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Let's get into Twitter questions because our first one, uh
pertains towards the offensive line. This is from Claude KB.
Was Anthony Richardson at fault for that sack or the organization?
Should he have been out there with the second unit?
Or is that a blown protection? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, by all accounts, it was blown by Anthony Richardson.
If you watch that play, I think the other tens
seem to be pretty much on the same page, you know,
Is any of this Hanner, BORDERLINI, Anthony Richardson not on
the same page, you know? Yeah, is the center controlling
that and or is that just something that you just
id and you don't even communicate it together, you know, like, hey,
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we have to be on the same page. We don't
need to have a dummy check or whatever. A call
to the line that gets us on the same page. Again,
I pointed out, if you look at it, the three
rookies on that playoff seem to know what they're doing there,
and you know Richardson doesn't there, so you know, organizationally,
I guess Claude's kind of hinting at do you play
your frontline guys? Again, I don't think that all of
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a sudden cures that play.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Outside of Taylor, I probably wouldn't have too many issues
playing anybody else offensively. I mean, guys can get rolled
up on at any moment.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean Rashaun Slater loses the season yesterday in practice, Yep,
you know it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Just see CJ. Gardner Johnson looks like the same. Yeah,
you just never know.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And Joe Wright, who you heard on the broadcast last night.
I mean he's always said this, He's like, you got
a spar as an offensivelignment, Like you have got to
get into those settings and experience it, so you know,
we will see. If I don't know, do you what
do you think they do week three of the preseason.
Let's say they throw Richardson out there quarter and a
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half green Bay. What do you think they do for
that Cincinnati game? No joint practice before Cincinnati, you're done
with training camp. What do you do that Saturday night,
final preseason game?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's a good question. I would assume that it would
hope that you would play the entire starting unit at
least for a series or two and then let Richardson
go out there with whatever you want the second unit,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Do you name a starter after the Green Bay game
a week from Saturday and you dress rehearsal that dude
in that final preseason game? No, so you carry the
competition out through the Cincinnati game.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I would, yeah, just because look what happened last night,
Like you can name richard and the start of going
into that Cincinnati game for week one and then he
gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, I'll be very curious see what Shane Second does
with that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Twitter. Question Number two is from Wakespy. Hypothetically, if Anthony
Richardson doesn't paint out and Daniel Jones doesn't pan out either.
Wake Spike says, really big stretch there. What three cults
do you think the organization would try to trade ahead
of twenty twenty six, assuming they hold richardson no matter
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what for next season.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Look's got a loaded one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
With a new GM. Everybody's on the table, right yep,
I mean the immediate ones that would come to mind. Obviously,
anytime you get a running back of Taylor's age and
making that money, Yep, that'd be a contract year for him.
If I'm not mistaken. A Pittman would also be in
a contract year. We've talked about the wide out future,
especially if Mitchell shows you something. I think you largely
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you know those the old line guys. Obviously Braden Smith
would be a free agent, but Nelson, and I guess
Nelson might be doing an extension.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But you know, certainly Ryman isn't Nelson want to be
in a contract year next year as well? I remember
him being like an underrated guy could get Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Now I think you would want I mean you theoretically,
if you're having a new quarterback, I think you'd kind
of want a solid offensive line. So I'd say Taylor Pittman,
and then defensively, really all those guys are kind of
in the same boat. Buckner up there in age, Grover
up there in age, I are up there in age,
Kenny up there in age. Obviously various value. Get Ward,
yeah he is, he's one as well. So yeah, i'd
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say Taylor, Pittman, and then I don't know, Buckner, probably Nette,
although he's in his thirties. Ward probably net a good amount.
But I am I mean, I'm always pretty much a
believer that I answer the phone on anybody just to
get intel. But who would be safe, you know again,
outside of winning, probably a solid offensive line for that
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next quarterback. I could be talked into a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean, I'm assuming the players that you would deem
as safe would be Warren Downs and Ryman. Down's probably lesser,
the lesser of the three, just because I mean, I
feel like slot receivers ones too, and.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I think Nelson. I mean, like again, I i'd want
some continuity behind that or in front of I guess
I should say that quarterback there, But boy, if you
I mean, if you gave me the right asking price, yeah,
hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Neil would like to know KB if Ady Mitchell still
has an underwhelming season. Is he going to be another
Paris Campbell, another high draft pick that is a dud?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No? No, first off, Unfortunately, the Paris Campbell thing has
been well at least here was largely injured related. I
saw just got cut by Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think he got hurt. Did he get hurt? Yeah?
And then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He was he Philly recently with Sirianni.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He was. Yeah, he was a arrest in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
As wild as that sounds, yeah, I think it's you know,
it's injuries for Campbell largely compared to whatever with Mitchell,
and like, can we pump the breaks on this Mitchell thing?
I mean, I feel like I've gotten these sorts of
questions several times. It's like, guy, he's been lead for
one year. I mean, you're letting Jelanne Woods play out
of his rookie contract. Mitchell is not going anywhere. And
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you know, again, he's doing the he's arguably doing the
hardest thing that there is to play receiver, and that's
get open. And this is kind of, you know, popped
in my mind. I don't know, Eddie, maybe once we
get through the preseason, we can kind of dedicate a
segment of a future podcast before the season starts to this,
how do the twenty twenty five Colts make the playoffs?
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That general question. When that question is asked, you would
immediately probably point to two areas, if not both better
quarterback play and better defensive play. And again the thought
of quarterback is Daniel Jones' arrival. Richardson makes year three strides.
The thought defensively is investments in the secondary like you've
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never had. And Lou and Rumo, I'd say third on
that list is better pass catching. You brought up downs
in Pierce earlier. They make you sleep just fine at night.
They were good individual players for you last year. Now
go to the next part of the pass catching group.
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To me, I look at three areas. One is does
Michael Pittman Junior not look like me with his back? Okay,
that could be one healthier Pittman and.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's still caught what seventy balls or eight hundred yards exactly?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Two? Does Ady Mitchell have growth? And then three is,
of course the man we saw last night number eighty four. Yeah,
his pure presence. So those are three different areas Pittman, health,
Mitchell growth, Warren's arrival. If you get one or two
of those, you had none of them last year. If
you get one or two of them of the three,
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that's a better pass catching group.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So again that is another part of Okay, how do
the Colts become a playoff team?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Some people might be skeptical quarterback wise, fine, some people
might be skeptical defensively.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The pass catching thing, I can you know, if you
are Chris Ballard and you say, Kevin Bowen, sit down
and let me tell you why we're going to be
a better team this season, and he laid out the
pass catchers like that, I think I'd walk away from
that same. That makes a ton of sense. Yeah, I
can see where you're coming from on that. And again,
my eyes have watched Mitchell. Pittman kind of been quiet,
but I've watched Mitchell, and I've watched Warren, and I
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see where you're going from.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah. I was talking with somebody on the sidelines that
you know that one of those practices I was at,
and they're just I was like, hey, how's Pittman looked?
You know, he's he was last years the back he goes,
I mean he hasn't really done a lot, like he
hasn't flushed. I was like, yeah, that's also true because
Pittman's a gamer. He's not gonna be a guy that's
camp wowser. I mean his flash, Yeah, to your point,
his flash. He's more of a you out of the
box sports end of the game and you're like, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Or honestly, he flashesn't make him like a physical plays
like yeah, did you see that hit he took.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, someone's gonna add it. I forget. So move along
to Mark's question or questions. I should say, how did
Juju Brins look prior to his hamstring injury? Kevin, what
is your level of confidence with the secondary? Seems like
the Colts have their top three corners and justin Wally,
Chevarius Word and Kinney Moo right now unfortunately for while
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he is out for the season. Uh to have Juju Brince,
Samuel Wilmack and Jalen Jones whenever Jones returns his quality
depth In Mark's opinion, curious to hear your thoughts. Love
the pod and I'm happy we're back. We're almost here.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Indeed, Mark, less than a month away. How about we
get three top ten matchups in college football on opening weekend.
I thought I heard that was the first time ever
one versus two. Of course stateon Texas you'll get LSU Clemson,
and then you'll get the old fighting Irish against Miami.
There the top five team, a top ten, top ten,
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top ten. Pretty sure, double check me on that if
I'm wrong. Boy, I've always liked Jalen Jones man, and
I thought Jalen Jones was having a nice little camp. Yeah,
put all these little sticker things.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm like, she's gonna get mad that you're peeling it off.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I thought he was making some plays. Now again, he's
a little different corner than Wally. Him and Juju are
different than Wally mm hm. So you know, Juju maybe
a couple of plays there, But I think the Bummers
just on paper, you have created real debt. Now, Like
let's say Jones and Brent show up for you and
they're healthy. Boy, Samuel Womack, you know the lottery numbers
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on for me. If if Juju Brents is staying.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Healthy, Samuel Woman is your fifth corner. That's an improvement
from last year. And you got Chris Lamon still right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
They re signed Lamon. Are they about Lamon's back? Last week?
We got a couple of those guys that came over
from Jerome Henderson with the Giants as well, Trey Herndon. Yeah,
but they I mean they barely Duke Shelley. I think
they barely played last year. And we mentioned Alex Johnson earlier,
Jonathan Edwards earlier. So you know, corner again, do you
do the same thing you did last year? Is it
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a cut down position? Remember Walmack was there one waiver
claim last year, So is that something that you dabble
in again? But yeah, I will be very curious to
see when do Jones and Brents get back because that's needed.
And you know Ward has been kind of off and
on in terms of his availability here. You know, is
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that just kind of management this time of year? And
well you really need him and Kenny to play. If
we've redid indispensable colts. What did I have was my list?
Ryman Zaire? Did I have a corner that hot? Maybe
I did have Ward that high. Yeah, you can make
an argument to put Ward and Kenny both in your
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top five.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I think it was a little different than you
I have I remember having a law too. I had Bernard,
I had Nelson. I can't remember if I put Braydon
on there or not.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But yeah, I think he did.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah. Yeah. Final questions from Josh. We often talk about
Anthony Richardson having a high ceiling but a low floor.
I'm curious what you actually think his ceiling looks like
after a couple of years. Obviously, all the physical tools
are there and health is a concern, but I think
I'm most curious about your opinion on the mental and
intangible side of Anthony Richardson. Is there any precedent for
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a quarterback developing that to a championship level later on
after a couple of years in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think in regards to like growth
from maturity standpoint, Yeah, I mean, I I there probably
is a little bit of precedent. They are. The problem
with Richardson, Josh, is that's like one layer. There's seven
layers to him. There's Monday through Saturday, there's accuracy, there's turnovers.
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There is how much are you running it? How much
are you not running it? Obviously can you stay healthy?
It's like there's just so much to the parlay that
has to be hit. Now having said that, like in general,
with him playing football, you're not asking him to be
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Drew Brees accurate or Philip Rivers accurate. If he could
get to fifty eight percent in my opinion, at the
level of if fifty eight percent is met with a
respectable turnover number, you can win with that. Yep, you
can win with that, And right now, that's probably the
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highest I can go with his.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I think Chapel had him at fifty eight percent in
eleven on eleven team periods, right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Which, again, in camp you need to be much higher
than that, like you need to be to me, you know,
you almost knock off ten percent from camp to a game,
because last year I think he was north of sixty
if I'm not mistaken in camp there. So that is
kind of how I would baseline it. The problem with
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defining his ceiling or like people that are like, hey,
he's got such a high ceiling and all that, we
sit here right now and we've yet to see him
play truly good to great football.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Ever ever collegiately, you know, again Chris Ballard makes the
comparisons to Baker Mayfield and Sam I was like, wait
a minute, Baker Mayfield on the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Sam Donald threw for four thousand yards at one of
the best schools in college football. Yep, No, we can't
go there.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And so Jared Goff went to a Super Bowl or
he got traded to Detroit, right, So.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's what I think makes it challenging. Of yes, there
are these just tantalizing elements to him, but it's largely
still yet to be ever seen collegiately, especially which I
think again kind of adds to all of it there.
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But again, Josh, even if you don't want to say whatever,
that's an all pro level. If you can just live
in a what if he got to fifty eight percent,
which is not that ludicrous of an ask, No, if
he got there, and again, the turnovers were not as
problematic as they were last year. The Colts very well
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could be a playoff team very well. So that's kind
of how.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
You let me ask you this In conclusion here with
the way that Chris Ballard was aggressive in helping out
Louis and a room on the secondary with the selection
of Tyler Warren, and you mentioned the players that are
in doring a contract year next year if things don't
paint out with Daniel Jones or Anythingy Richardson this year,
are we going to see another situation where the next
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general manager sees what we are currently discussing. They have
these guys that can make place, They have the foundation
to be a good team. We just need a you know,
a veteran quarterback in there. And we're back to the
endless cycle that was of band aid after a band
aid after band aid. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Now, that's a sick thing to end on that. You
just drop that on me. No, no, I no, And
this gets you know, I debated a little bit. I
don't know if you and I did, Eddie, but like
you know, people right now are bringing up Michael Parsons
and Terry McLaurin. You know, those are the two big
names that people bringing up right now, and hey, insert
team here or should they enter that mix?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I thought we talked about it last week. Did a
Twitter question about it? Yeah, okay, Well just to reiterate it, the.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Colts are frozen.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yes, you can't do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You can't entertain that stuff without it. So whatever, Drew
Aller and Arch and Mendoza and the Carolina Yeah, that's
not like Leonora Sellers whoever, you want to dream about
Club Nick, you gotta be frozen. You just can't do it.
And it's unfortunate. It's a bummer, but that's the reality
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that you are currently in right now. But no, no,
you no band aid it not stop that. I'm just
saying you imagine Jacoby Brissett quarterback in this team. Oh no,
I'm talking like Carson Wentz out of retirement. Yeah, now
Car's done. My brother sawm at Kroger the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I don't know. I just remember, by the way, what
I was gonna mention earlier that I forgot. You said, uh,
avenue for the Colts to make the playoffs. You mentioned
a better quarterback play, better defensive play, and then an
underrated one was better pass catching a number four. They're
in the a S South.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Well, that's the gift that keeps giving, baby, you know
what I say, God bless the AFC South.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
And as we wrap up KB, I know people are
going to start wondering when we're doing the Fantasy Football
League and the pick'm that stuff coming out soon. We're
kind of finalizing the details on how we want to
give away the spots to the Fantasy Football still open.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Suggestions from people. We have debated a few Eddie's come
up with what I think is a pretty good idea,
but we're still open, so yeah, we'll probably provide that
info for you on an upcoming pod or two. So yeah,
slide into either of our dms for that if you
have any thoughts. He is Eddie Garrison. I am Kevin Bowen.
Thank you for listening to Colts Corner with Kevin Bowen.
We'll talk to you probably Tuesday ish. Recap and a
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trio of Colts Practice
Way are back. It is Colts Corn with myself, Kevin
Bow and Eddie Garrison is with me. It is a
late Thursday night, very late for Eddie, so appreciate him
joining us here on this Friday morning. We are going
to recap Colts and Ravens preseason opener. What was the
final score? Twenty four to sixteen? Was it that?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think so? By the way, I love that the.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
NFL now it just ends preseason games and ties. That
is awesome to see. The Colts avoided that, but it's
one of the games last night and in a tie.
A ton to get to on today's pod. Obviously a
lot from last night and really unfortunate rookie injury news,
so we'll hit on that as well. Eddie, good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good morning, and I appreciate you being appreciative of me.
But I think we're equaling the same boat here, just
because you know, you host a morning show at seven am,
and that game did not really end early into the
night last night for you either, so we're probably, you know,
operating on the same amount of sleep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Never been a big fan of the primetimers, but no
one wants to care about that. They would like to
hopefully hear a little bit of analyzing I guess from
last night. So let's get into it. We'll start with
the quarterbacks and then, you know, try to get into
our regular season mode of hey, what did I like?
What did I not like? But let's start with the quarterbacks,
and obviously begin with Anthony Richardson. I guess there is
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part of me that, you know, feels the need to
look at the three passes that he did throw. He
was two of three last night, Eddie, and you know
the one called back due to the illegal man downfield
the screen to WARRENIM it seemed like, and I think
the injury play also plays into this, it seemed like
there was a very concerted effort to kind of lock
onto Ady Mitchell. H You know, he had the one
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comeback with that pocket kind of collapsing as the first completion,
and then if you watch the near interception the third
and seven. I liked on second thirteen him just finding
more again, that's kind of simple. Get to third and seven,
get to manageable. Now you're back into managable field goal range.
You have a chance to convert and seven. I didn't
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love that he locks in on Mitchell not open. And
if you throw laid across the middle on a third
and long, oh boy, you're just you're asking for disaster.
And it nearly was. He nearly gets picked off there
over the middle of field, trying to find duel in
there over the middle. And yes, again the pocket is
not necessarily ideal. But you know that's one where maybe
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in the preseason he's like, no, I'll test it here,
but in the regular season, I'll eat it. That's probably
giving him too much credit, but that's when you got
to eat you know, third and seven, throw it at
the feet of dueling. Don't even give your chance for
a turn over there, and again a sack would have
been obviously knocking you out of field goal range in
all likelihood there. So I guess that is the extreme
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overreaction to three snaps of him. But obviously let's go
to the play that he gets injured on. The injury itself,
by all accounts, doesn't sound to be too severe.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Jordy Schultz said around nine o'clock this morning that he'll
be back on the practice field soon.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, so against Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Yeah, the cultural practice
and that hit itself, like you know, we have this
label with Anthony Richardson, and it's unfortunate. Is the injury prone?
Nothing last night Eddie changed my thought on that, Like
that sort of hit a you know, you're not bracing
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yourself for a two hundred and fifty pounds individual revving
up and hitting you where he did. I'd venture to
guess most NFL players would dislocate a finger. Most quarterbacks
would dislocate a finger in that situation. Obviously, him having
to leave due to any injury is not good for
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his own rep needed self. He needs all the reps,
especially on a night when it was supposed to be
his night. He was supposed to get the bulk of
the work there. So I think you kind of start
there of like again, injury prone. Like I still feel
the same sort of injury questions about Anthony Richardson going
into last night as I did exiting last night. I
don't think that one changes much for me. The issue
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for me is how the injury happened, and it was
a misidentification by your third year quarterback. That is the
clear most obvious issue to me. And you know Anthony
obviously admitted it after the game, and you know, by
all accounts that identification pre snap is rather elementary for
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an NFL quarterback, and for you to miss that in
an August seventh preseason game setting, what two first team
starters out there for the Ravens defense, by no means,
is you know, Zach Orr and Chuck Pagano trying to
be super exotic with you. You're as vanilla as you
can come in a preseason setting. And for you not
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to see that, And yet, Eddie, when you look around
him offensively last night, on that play in particular, the
rookie right tackle sees it, the rookie tight end season,
the rookie run seize it. And for you to be
the one not on the same page. And even post snap, Eddie,
there were a couple tells right away. You know, pre
snap you can identify it, but post snap, you know,
once you see that end dropping, And again, how much
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of this is like locking it on? Ad eighty was
on that left side of the field. You know, I'm
trying to get a little bit more into why behind
that play. For him not to see it, that would
have me calling wee girl hair endy if I'm chang stiking,
oh boy, like what is going on here? Can you
trust him? Can you trust him? And I think that
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is a very real question. You know, this gets into okay,
what about game wraps for him? You know, let's say
he starts week one, Eddie, that'll be a sixteenth career
NFL start. I mean that's not even a full season. No,
So then you get into this internal debate. And I
know this conversation has come up more in the last
few months because Chris Bowers brought it up. Hey, we
we rushed him in there as a rookie. Well, like,
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does Anthony Richardson learn that play last night in a
meeting room or does he have to experience it to
learn it?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean that's day one install stuff though, right.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So like, again, theoretically he learned that right in a
meeting room, but do you have to learn it again
on the field? And again, this just gets into what
makes his overall evaluation so complicated and so frustrating because
it continues to lead to you know, negative areas. I
guess is probably the best way to put it. So
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summarize it all, Eddie. It doesn't sound like his absence
will be too too long. You have to flip the
quarterback situation for me, for Green Bay, if you really
want to make this competition go.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
On, because it essentially flipped yet last night.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's got to be Richardson for a quarter and a
half a week from Saturday against Green Bay. Then maybe
you make a decision after that and dress rehearsal it
up agains Cincinnati. I don't know, Maybe you continue it
for one more week. Training camp's over, you know after
this coming week, Thursday's joint practice is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The end of it. So but.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The injury itself, the injury prone narrative, none of that
matters too too much to me. Yes, the fact that
you had to leave the game matters. It's more of
a you're gonna watch thirty one other NFL teams salivate
over watching that play, and now they're gonna sit there
and say, how else can we confuse him? How else
can we make things be difficult for him? Because that
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should be a very anticipatory play where you realize it
and you find DJ Giddens for three or four yards
and you move on. But instead he gets hurt and
honestly he's fortunate to hold on the ball. Yeah, I
mean that very easily could have been a turnover in
your own territory.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, he did lose it, yeah, and he got it back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean that could be catastrophic in a road environment
against a quality opponent, et cetera, et cetera. So that's
pretty much everything I've got on Richardson Eddie.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, what did you think about Daniel Jones?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I thought he's I thought he's better than the stat
line looks like he was ten of twenty one Gouls
had two drops, Giddens had one probably, I don't know.
The fifty to fifty balls with Mitchell, I thought he
didn't get a very favorable flag on.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I thought one of them was severely underthrown the deep ball, yeah,
where he had like two steps behind the.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, I know some of those. It's like, you know,
like Cooper rushed those the front shoulder and throw the
instead of the back shoulder, and like if you really
back shoulder it, you can win there.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And get a PI. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well I'm not saying that, you just you know, you're not.
Is that a pure go route right or do you
read that back shoulder? I thought Jones was fine if
I had to compare him to what I've seen so
far in Grand Park. I do think last night, he
was probably a little bit better than he has been. Again,
ten to twenty one with four drops. Ten to seventeen
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isn't a great night by any means. But I did
think at his best he gave I would say probably three, four,
maybe even five opportunities for notable yards after catch instride,
you make a play, you turned you know eight into thirteen,
you know nine into you know seventeen, things like that
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to a variety of guys. That's a really key part
obviously to playing quarterback, particularly this offense. I thought his
best play the night was probably that second and seven
where he rolled to his left. He's definitely under pressure.
It doesn't end in a sack, it doesn't end in
a throwaway, and he finds dueling for twenty twenty five
something like that. Dolan, you know, did a lot with
it after the catch, but I thought that was what
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Jones can do with his legs. So, you know, when
you talk about the Colts quarterback situation, Eddie, the bar
is so pathetically low. It's arguably different than every NFL team.
So like when I sit here and say, well, I
mean I think Daniel Jones was okay, I mean it,
But then like, if I I watched whatever Jordan Love
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quarterback of Camp for ten straight days, and then you
told me to weigh him up against that, I'd probably
be like, oh, that's a little different.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's like yesterday, I'm playing in this golf at and
they're like, yeah, Kevin, how but if you be the
long drive guy, I'm like, Okay, guys, I don't really
hit a long drive. I can get the ball airborne,
So like people like look at that and they're like, oh, wow,
that's that's pretty good. But then like if you get
some other people on the tee that can really hit it,
They're like, wait, you're the long drive guy. You like
(10:29):
have Greg Maddox's fastball. I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, sorry.
It's just like Daniel Jones playing quarterback. It's like, well
do you save? But like in the grand scheme of
thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL, he's not that good.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you have the precision like a Greg Maddox? Kevin,
are you hitting the fairways every time?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That I wish? I wish I was Fred Funk honestly
driving it, But whatever, that's neither hitting r there. Again,
I thought he had some nice on target in stride
moments another there about four or five of them, and
you know him and Richardson both they did not receive
very firm pocket perimeters. No, you know, Ross Travis and
(11:10):
Blake Freeland in there for two and a half quarters.
I did think there was some leakage there coming off
the edge. So all in all, I to summarize the
quarterback night, how do you not look at it as
a win for Daniel Jones? As sad as that sounds,
I mean, the injury and all of that plays into it.
The misidentification plays into that. Now, if I had to
evaluate purely Jones himself, I think the night was about
(11:33):
what we've seen so far, maybe slightly better. And you know,
when Shane Stegin says is going to come down in consistency,
I think there also is a way to look at that,
Eddie and say, it's going to come down to who
do you trust? And when that question is asked, it
is if you want to live in that bubble. Now again,
(11:54):
I want to live in a bubble of just getting
answer on Richardson. H Like that's it. He answer on
Richardson and you know what he happens to be the
higher ceiling quarterback, So play him. That's my thought process.
But the Colts probably live in a different thought process.
They're living in a very week to week world when
now et cetera, et cetera, all of that, and if
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they do live in that world, I mean, last night
was a good night for Danion Jones. How does that sounds?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Just to summarize and wrap up here the QB thoughts
just mentioned Riley Leonard. I know there's people out there that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Riley definitely made plays with his legs.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now, again, he did that against probably people he saw
more often than not in college. Can you do it
against you know, first team defense guys and maybe when
there's more of a scheme against you. How it made
to be seen? I thought he had a couple of
nice throws, but you know, I thought he definitely had
some inaccurate moments as well. You know, I'll continue to
stand by nice, developmental sixth round quarterback. He has massive
(12:57):
strides to take within the pocket. Like I've said that
like a million times about Colts quarterbacks lately. If Richardson
was out for some reason, I would go sign somebody else.
I don't know if I would want to be one
play away from life with Riley Leonard right in the
nice reasert ear form and see what you got.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
For those of you that may be newer to the podcast,
my guess is during the preseason, keV will do it
continue doing it this way, like, Hey, we'll break down
the quarterbacks, then get into what you liked, what you
didn't like. I like. Of course, during the regular season
it'll just be well intro brief thoughts about the game,
get into what you liked or didn't like, depending on
how the outcome of the game went. So let's pivot
(13:38):
now to what you did like, even though the Coltsleus
were going to start there just because there were some
positive to takeaway from this game.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, let's start with Tyler Warren. Three catches and three targets,
four if you want to include the penalty. I thought
four very different routes too, And honestly, the routes that
he ran last night or the plays that he made,
I can think of like three or four other ways
they involved him at Grand Park that we didn't see
last night. I mean, they are going to get him
the ball, They're going to use him all over the field,
(14:06):
it's just going to be a high targeted, touched individual
by the Colts offense.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He played all twenty snaps in the first three series.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Diddy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, gosh, it seemed like he was
out there. It was a him and ogle Tree. Was
that the starting tight end? I think ogle Tree kind
of blown up a little bit on that first play,
but yeah, I think that was the starting tied in
dual last night. So yeah, very good night for Warren.
I think you like what you saw. I thought JT.
Twoymollawau had a good first debut. They his body type
(14:36):
is not Dio Dangbo, but they seemingly have used him
a little bit like that versatile inside on the passing downs.
You know, he was really freed up very well for
a stunt sack there at one point, but made a
couple of plays. I think Nate Atkins said bone Bruce
for him after the game and chatting with him in
the locker room. So hopefully that's not going to sideline
him for too long. But I thought the first two
(14:58):
picks you had to be pleased with, you know, shout
out to Ashton Doolan. I just what a nice career man.
Just he's still here, and he's still damn reliable, and
he had a couple of plays as a receiver last night,
and obviously he's a key special teamer. I mean, hell
Is College that he went to, it doesn't even have
football anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hey yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yet here he is just carving out a really nice
undrafted career. Good to see Jelani Woods catch a couple
from Riley Leonard late. I think it's a I think
it's a notable hill for him to climb to make
the roster. But good to see Jelani Woods out there
a little bit late. What else you know? Alex Johnson
at corner, he had that early pick, great play in
(15:40):
the air, and then later he knocked away a ball
and I think it was a third and ten. Right now,
he's knocking on that door, like who's next at corner?
And I guess we should probably just get to Justin
Wally Now. I just flat out sucks, just absolutely sucks.
(16:01):
Torn a sale in the joint practice. Shane announced it
last night after the game. I don't know in the
nine years of Chris Ballard if I've heard the amount
of public praise by various individuals within that building for him.
I mean a variety of people have made sure that
they have praised him, and you know we've seen the
(16:22):
playmaking too, if I'm not mistaken again, I wasn't there,
but I believe he got hurt or towards acl on
play that he knocked the ball away in the joint practice.
I mean that just kind of shows you who he's been.
So he was your starting third corner, and I don't
think there was much debate even if Jalen Jones and
Juju Brins would have stayed healthy. Now that's me projecting
a little bit, but now what happens at corner. You
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know the position on paper, Eddie, you didn't have like
when we did the positional mock draft back in whatever April,
I didn't have corner as a third round need, right
And if Jalen Jones and jud Brent's were healthy right
now and have shown a nice arrow, I don't know
if I would act like the Wally injury is super significant,
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but given their statuses Jones and Brents, it right now
is pretty significant. And I get that you're a month away,
you know right now, where a month yesterday was a
season opener, But you know, you think about Week one
with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle and some of those
white houts early in the season and lou Ane Rumo
wanting to play multiple dbs. You know, again, what is
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this going to look like over time? That I think
is a huge, huge question that you do have. So again,
this is a storyline to watch. What does corner death
look like? Is Alex Johnson pushing? Is Samuel Womack back
in an important role for you? He's probably had an
up and down camp. Jonathan Edwards a corner out of
(17:54):
tu Lane, an undrafted free agent, you know it, could
he be a UDFA on your roster. Johnson comes over
from New York as an undrafted kid the year prior
with Jerome Henderson who's the dB coach now with the Colts.
So that's something probably worth pointing out as well. But yeah,
I thought Johnson had a couple moments there, and honestly,
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the pass defense in general, I mean John Harball was
laughing about it after the game. He goes, you think
team's ever won in a preseason game throwing for fifty
nine yards in a game, So pass defense wise, I
thought the Colts did a nice job. Joe Botchi obviously
had the big interception there early as well.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Man, he just makes place, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He He does? He does, Yeah, particularly honestly in the
past game.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now, bless you man.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That sneeze felt so good. Gosh, felt good to get
that out. Now it's the transition. Things I didn't like
you mentioned linebacker there. I thought the linebacker run fits
were horrid. Oh my god. The run defense was horrific,
just gash. I mean how the Ravens won the game
thanks to what running the ball and special teams. That's
pretty literally pretty much why they won the game. So yeah,
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the run defense, yeah, linebacker wise, oh boy, not ideal
at all. I thought Hunter Wooler had a moment or
two and also definitely had some whiffs coming up as
a safety and playing against the run there, special teams,
the coverage. Brian Mason is not going to like watching
that film.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
The big punt return, the big kick return, just brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal,
one hundred and eight yards and penalties Eddie, that is
that would be by far a season high if we
want to look back on last year. So that is
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something as well, just to keep an eye on You know,
Colts have usually not been a very penalized team under Stanstichen,
but he was not happy about that post game and
he shouldn't have been, you know, gool hat a couple
of drops. I really don't can't recall many, if any,
he's had in camp. He's been one of the more
productive white outs in camp, so i'd throw that in there.
(20:02):
The eighty Mitchell Knight, I don't know, Eddie. It's he
catches on six targets, two catches on six targets, which
that ratio is not good. I don't think it was
as egregious of a night for Mitchell as it looked
on paper, though, Like if you didn't watch the game
and you see two on six, you don't like that.
(20:24):
If you watch the game again. You brought up Jones
kind of slightly under throwing them. I thought there were
a couple fifty a couple of plays it could have
been flagged. It turned into fifty to fifty moments. I'd
like to see him come down with one of those,
but again I'm not I don't think it was as
bad as it was at times last year, and just
(20:45):
a little bit of a timing with Jones one time there,
So you know, before the game, I really wanted to
see Mitchell in like those alligatory arm moments. I wanted
to see him put into those situations, and I don't
think he was in a lot of them. So you know,
he's been terrific Mitchell, but game settings is just a
different animal for him. So I think that probably covers
(21:08):
everything on my end. Eddie Again, offensive tackles I Ryman
and Bradsmith are just going to mean so much for you.
That does concern me a little bit here. But unless
you think you have anything else to add, I guess
should we talk a little Spencer Trader? Yeah, to mention
it weirdly, I bet he's I bet I've seen him kick.
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I don't know twenty field goals this this camp in season,
I bet he's made sixteen of them. I'd venture to
guess all the misses have been maybe all but one
have been north of fifty, and I swear they all
have been off the upright now, I know he missed one.
I think a little bad to end the Baltimore joint
(21:49):
practice based off a two minute drill that I was
reading about from people that were there, so that one
would be different, but like all this misses. I mean
I literally feel like I'm watching Matt Gay kick. I
mean like outside of them, like not having anywhere to
have the same body type.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well, look he learned from him. When do you expect Jev?
But it's like it's been like the same exact.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I guess Matt Gay had that big hook going last year,
whereas I guess he'll kind of a slight one last
night for those that watch to miss kick, but great
opportunity kick for field goals last night. I think he's
the leader. I think he'll be your kicker and then
you just kind of wait and see his season moves along.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Hit one from fifty three right, Yes, had plenty of
leg left.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean leg is no, I mean no, leg
is no issue. This is not hot rod where you're like, wait,
does he have the leg or does he not of
the leg?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
No, no, no, he he can boom it. It's just
you know what's going to happen when it all gets real.
And you know the one he missed last night. They
threw him out there kind of in a two minutes.
You know, probably the more pressure packed kick and you know,
snap and hold looked good. But you know, you kind
of ran them out on the field and all of that,
so I assume he will be your kicker.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Before we get into Twitter questions, the remaining camp schedule
will practice Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then they're off until thirdday, right,
and that'll be the final training kit practice with the
Green Bay Packers at Grand Park. And that one is
a three o'clock and I think I know Saturday and
Sunday or four o'clocks. I can't remember. Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Monday is as well, So yeah, they're done with the
morning practices. Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. As you said, Eddie,
four o'clock each day. I would guess Saturday is a
little light and then Sunday and Monday would be a
little bit more ramped up. Tuesday and Wednesday or off,
so then you recharge the batteries for like you said,
that green Bay joint, it sounded like on this broadcast
last night, Kenny Moore kind of hinted at like he's
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going to get out there for the Green Bay game.
I don't know if that was just him talking or
if that's real, because Shane's always been like, if we
have jointed practice we're not going to play those guys,
right and they sat. I think I did the math
last night and I'll use this quotes Eddie. They had
three defensive starters a lot too, and Quity pay played
(23:51):
a series and then cammer Groan right now, is listen
as a starter? Offensively? If you call Richardson a starter,
you had four I think Richardson, Tyler, Warren, hannerh Bordolini
and Mackenzlvos. So you played about six ish starters there.
You know me, I've always been a believer that you
play more of those guys.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But I'm not holding my breath at all.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Let's get into Twitter questions because our first one, uh
pertains towards the offensive line. This is from Claude KB.
Was Anthony Richardson at fault for that sack or the organization?
Should he have been out there with the second unit?
Or is that a blown protection? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, by all accounts, it was blown by Anthony Richardson.
If you watch that play, I think the other tens
seem to be pretty much on the same page, you know,
Is any of this Hanner, BORDERLINI, Anthony Richardson not on
the same page, you know? Yeah, is the center controlling
that and or is that just something that you just
id and you don't even communicate it together, you know, like, hey,
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we have to be on the same page. We don't
need to have a dummy check or whatever. A call
to the line that gets us on the same page. Again,
I pointed out, if you look at it, the three
rookies on that playoff seem to know what they're doing there,
and you know Richardson doesn't there, so you know, organizationally,
I guess Claude's kind of hinting at do you play
your frontline guys? Again, I don't think that all of
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a sudden cures that play.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Outside of Taylor, I probably wouldn't have too many issues
playing anybody else offensively. I mean, guys can get rolled
up on at any moment.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean Rashaun Slater loses the season yesterday in practice, Yep,
you know it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Just see CJ. Gardner Johnson looks like the same. Yeah,
you just never know.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And Joe Wright, who you heard on the broadcast last night.
I mean he's always said this, He's like, you got
a spar as an offensivelignment, Like you have got to
get into those settings and experience it, so you know,
we will see. If I don't know, do you what
do you think they do week three of the preseason.
Let's say they throw Richardson out there quarter and a
(26:04):
half green Bay. What do you think they do for
that Cincinnati game? No joint practice before Cincinnati, you're done
with training camp. What do you do that Saturday night,
final preseason game?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's a good question. I would assume that it would
hope that you would play the entire starting unit at
least for a series or two and then let Richardson
go out there with whatever you want the second unit,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Do you name a starter after the Green Bay game
a week from Saturday and you dress rehearsal that dude
in that final preseason game? No, so you carry the
competition out through the Cincinnati game.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I would, yeah, just because look what happened last night,
Like you can name richard and the start of going
into that Cincinnati game for week one and then he
gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, I'll be very curious see what Shane Second does
with that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Twitter. Question Number two is from Wakespy. Hypothetically, if Anthony
Richardson doesn't paint out and Daniel Jones doesn't pan out either.
Wake Spike says, really big stretch there. What three cults
do you think the organization would try to trade ahead
of twenty twenty six, assuming they hold richardson no matter
(27:19):
what for next season.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Look's got a loaded one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
With a new GM. Everybody's on the table, right yep,
I mean the immediate ones that would come to mind. Obviously,
anytime you get a running back of Taylor's age and
making that money, Yep, that'd be a contract year for him.
If I'm not mistaken. A Pittman would also be in
a contract year. We've talked about the wide out future,
especially if Mitchell shows you something. I think you largely
(27:57):
you know those the old line guys. Obviously Braden Smith
would be a free agent, but Nelson, and I guess
Nelson might be doing an extension.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But you know, certainly Ryman isn't Nelson want to be
in a contract year next year as well? I remember
him being like an underrated guy could get Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Now I think you would want I mean you theoretically,
if you're having a new quarterback, I think you'd kind
of want a solid offensive line. So I'd say Taylor Pittman,
and then defensively, really all those guys are kind of
in the same boat. Buckner up there in age, Grover
up there in age, I are up there in age,
Kenny up there in age. Obviously various value. Get Ward,
yeah he is, he's one as well. So yeah, i'd
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say Taylor, Pittman, and then I don't know, Buckner, probably Nette,
although he's in his thirties. Ward probably net a good amount.
But I am I mean, I'm always pretty much a
believer that I answer the phone on anybody just to
get intel. But who would be safe, you know again,
outside of winning, probably a solid offensive line for that
(28:58):
next quarterback. I could be talked into a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean, I'm assuming the players that you would deem
as safe would be Warren Downs and Ryman. Down's probably lesser,
the lesser of the three, just because I mean, I
feel like slot receivers ones too, and.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I think Nelson. I mean, like again, I i'd want
some continuity behind that or in front of I guess
I should say that quarterback there, But boy, if you
I mean, if you gave me the right asking price, yeah,
hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Neil would like to know KB if Ady Mitchell still
has an underwhelming season. Is he going to be another
Paris Campbell, another high draft pick that is a dud?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No? No, first off, Unfortunately, the Paris Campbell thing has
been well at least here was largely injured related. I
saw just got cut by Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think he got hurt. Did he get hurt? Yeah?
And then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He was he Philly recently with Sirianni.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He was. Yeah, he was a arrest in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
As wild as that sounds, yeah, I think it's you know,
it's injuries for Campbell largely compared to whatever with Mitchell,
and like, can we pump the breaks on this Mitchell thing?
I mean, I feel like I've gotten these sorts of
questions several times. It's like, guy, he's been lead for
one year. I mean, you're letting Jelanne Woods play out
of his rookie contract. Mitchell is not going anywhere. And
(30:27):
you know, again, he's doing the he's arguably doing the
hardest thing that there is to play receiver, and that's
get open. And this is kind of, you know, popped
in my mind. I don't know, Eddie, maybe once we
get through the preseason, we can kind of dedicate a
segment of a future podcast before the season starts to this,
how do the twenty twenty five Colts make the playoffs?
(30:49):
That general question. When that question is asked, you would
immediately probably point to two areas, if not both better
quarterback play and better defensive play. And again the thought
of quarterback is Daniel Jones' arrival. Richardson makes year three strides.
The thought defensively is investments in the secondary like you've
(31:11):
never had. And Lou and Rumo, I'd say third on
that list is better pass catching. You brought up downs
in Pierce earlier. They make you sleep just fine at night.
They were good individual players for you last year. Now
go to the next part of the pass catching group.
(31:31):
To me, I look at three areas. One is does
Michael Pittman Junior not look like me with his back? Okay,
that could be one healthier Pittman and.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's still caught what seventy balls or eight hundred yards exactly?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Two? Does Ady Mitchell have growth? And then three is,
of course the man we saw last night number eighty four. Yeah,
his pure presence. So those are three different areas Pittman, health,
Mitchell growth, Warren's arrival. If you get one or two
of those, you had none of them last year. If
you get one or two of them of the three,
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that's a better pass catching group.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So again that is another part of Okay, how do
the Colts become a playoff team?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Some people might be skeptical quarterback wise, fine, some people
might be skeptical defensively.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The pass catching thing, I can you know, if you
are Chris Ballard and you say, Kevin Bowen, sit down
and let me tell you why we're going to be
a better team this season, and he laid out the
pass catchers like that, I think I'd walk away from
that same. That makes a ton of sense. Yeah, I
can see where you're coming from on that. And again,
my eyes have watched Mitchell. Pittman kind of been quiet,
but I've watched Mitchell, and I've watched Warren, and I
(32:43):
see where you're going from.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah. I was talking with somebody on the sidelines that
you know that one of those practices I was at,
and they're just I was like, hey, how's Pittman looked?
You know, he's he was last years the back he goes,
I mean he hasn't really done a lot, like he
hasn't flushed. I was like, yeah, that's also true because
Pittman's a gamer. He's not gonna be a guy that's
camp wowser. I mean his flash, Yeah, to your point,
his flash. He's more of a you out of the
box sports end of the game and you're like, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Or honestly, he flashesn't make him like a physical plays
like yeah, did you see that hit he took.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, someone's gonna add it. I forget. So move along
to Mark's question or questions. I should say, how did
Juju Brins look prior to his hamstring injury? Kevin, what
is your level of confidence with the secondary? Seems like
the Colts have their top three corners and justin Wally,
Chevarius Word and Kinney Moo right now unfortunately for while
(33:33):
he is out for the season. Uh to have Juju Brince,
Samuel Wilmack and Jalen Jones whenever Jones returns his quality
depth In Mark's opinion, curious to hear your thoughts. Love
the pod and I'm happy we're back. We're almost here.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Indeed, Mark, less than a month away. How about we
get three top ten matchups in college football on opening weekend.
I thought I heard that was the first time ever
one versus two. Of course stateon Texas you'll get LSU Clemson,
and then you'll get the old fighting Irish against Miami.
There the top five team, a top ten, top ten,
(34:09):
top ten. Pretty sure, double check me on that if
I'm wrong. Boy, I've always liked Jalen Jones man, and
I thought Jalen Jones was having a nice little camp. Yeah,
put all these little sticker things.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm like, she's gonna get mad that you're peeling it off.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I thought he was making some plays. Now again, he's
a little different corner than Wally. Him and Juju are
different than Wally mm hm. So you know, Juju maybe
a couple of plays there, But I think the Bummers
just on paper, you have created real debt. Now, Like
let's say Jones and Brent show up for you and
they're healthy. Boy, Samuel Womack, you know the lottery numbers
(34:55):
on for me. If if Juju Brents is staying.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Healthy, Samuel Woman is your fifth corner. That's an improvement
from last year. And you got Chris Lamon still right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
They re signed Lamon. Are they about Lamon's back? Last week?
We got a couple of those guys that came over
from Jerome Henderson with the Giants as well, Trey Herndon. Yeah,
but they I mean they barely Duke Shelley. I think
they barely played last year. And we mentioned Alex Johnson earlier,
Jonathan Edwards earlier. So you know, corner again, do you
do the same thing you did last year? Is it
(35:24):
a cut down position? Remember Walmack was there one waiver
claim last year, So is that something that you dabble
in again? But yeah, I will be very curious to
see when do Jones and Brents get back because that's needed.
And you know Ward has been kind of off and
on in terms of his availability here. You know, is
(35:45):
that just kind of management this time of year? And
well you really need him and Kenny to play. If
we've redid indispensable colts. What did I have was my list?
Ryman Zaire? Did I have a corner that hot? Maybe
I did have Ward that high. Yeah, you can make
an argument to put Ward and Kenny both in your
(36:06):
top five.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I think it was a little different than you
I have I remember having a law too. I had Bernard,
I had Nelson. I can't remember if I put Braydon
on there or not.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But yeah, I think he did.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah. Yeah. Final questions from Josh. We often talk about
Anthony Richardson having a high ceiling but a low floor.
I'm curious what you actually think his ceiling looks like
after a couple of years. Obviously, all the physical tools
are there and health is a concern, but I think
I'm most curious about your opinion on the mental and
intangible side of Anthony Richardson. Is there any precedent for
(36:43):
a quarterback developing that to a championship level later on
after a couple of years in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think in regards to like growth
from maturity standpoint, Yeah, I mean, I I there probably
is a little bit of precedent. They are. The problem
with Richardson, Josh, is that's like one layer. There's seven
layers to him. There's Monday through Saturday, there's accuracy, there's turnovers.
(37:14):
There is how much are you running it? How much
are you not running it? Obviously can you stay healthy?
It's like there's just so much to the parlay that
has to be hit. Now having said that, like in general,
with him playing football, you're not asking him to be
(37:35):
Drew Brees accurate or Philip Rivers accurate. If he could
get to fifty eight percent in my opinion, at the
level of if fifty eight percent is met with a
respectable turnover number, you can win with that. Yep, you
can win with that, And right now, that's probably the
(37:58):
highest I can go with his.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I think Chapel had him at fifty eight percent in
eleven on eleven team periods, right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Which, again, in camp you need to be much higher
than that, like you need to be to me, you know,
you almost knock off ten percent from camp to a game,
because last year I think he was north of sixty
if I'm not mistaken in camp there. So that is
kind of how I would baseline it. The problem with
(38:26):
defining his ceiling or like people that are like, hey,
he's got such a high ceiling and all that, we
sit here right now and we've yet to see him
play truly good to great football.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Ever ever collegiately, you know, again Chris Ballard makes the
comparisons to Baker Mayfield and Sam I was like, wait
a minute, Baker Mayfield on the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Sam Donald threw for four thousand yards at one of
the best schools in college football. Yep, No, we can't
go there.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And so Jared Goff went to a Super Bowl or
he got traded to Detroit, right, So.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's what I think makes it challenging. Of yes, there
are these just tantalizing elements to him, but it's largely
still yet to be ever seen collegiately, especially which I
think again kind of adds to all of it there.
(39:21):
But again, Josh, even if you don't want to say whatever,
that's an all pro level. If you can just live
in a what if he got to fifty eight percent,
which is not that ludicrous of an ask, No, if
he got there, and again, the turnovers were not as
problematic as they were last year. The Colts very well
(39:44):
could be a playoff team very well. So that's kind
of how.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
You let me ask you this In conclusion here with
the way that Chris Ballard was aggressive in helping out
Louis and a room on the secondary with the selection
of Tyler Warren, and you mentioned the players that are
in doring a contract year next year if things don't
paint out with Daniel Jones or Anythingy Richardson this year,
are we going to see another situation where the next
(40:09):
general manager sees what we are currently discussing. They have
these guys that can make place, They have the foundation
to be a good team. We just need a you know,
a veteran quarterback in there. And we're back to the
endless cycle that was of band aid after a band
aid after band aid. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Now, that's a sick thing to end on that. You
just drop that on me. No, no, I no, And
this gets you know, I debated a little bit. I
don't know if you and I did, Eddie, but like
you know, people right now are bringing up Michael Parsons
and Terry McLaurin. You know, those are the two big
names that people bringing up right now, and hey, insert
team here or should they enter that mix?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I thought we talked about it last week. Did a
Twitter question about it? Yeah, okay, Well just to reiterate it, the.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Colts are frozen.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yes, you can't do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You can't entertain that stuff without it. So whatever, Drew
Aller and Arch and Mendoza and the Carolina Yeah, that's
not like Leonora Sellers whoever, you want to dream about
Club Nick, you gotta be frozen. You just can't do it.
And it's unfortunate. It's a bummer, but that's the reality
(41:19):
that you are currently in right now. But no, no,
you no band aid it not stop that. I'm just
saying you imagine Jacoby Brissett quarterback in this team. Oh no,
I'm talking like Carson Wentz out of retirement. Yeah, now
Car's done. My brother sawm at Kroger the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I don't know. I just remember, by the way, what
I was gonna mention earlier that I forgot. You said, uh,
avenue for the Colts to make the playoffs. You mentioned
a better quarterback play, better defensive play, and then an
underrated one was better pass catching a number four. They're
in the a S South.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Well, that's the gift that keeps giving, baby, you know
what I say, God bless the AFC South.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
And as we wrap up KB, I know people are
going to start wondering when we're doing the Fantasy Football
League and the pick'm that stuff coming out soon. We're
kind of finalizing the details on how we want to
give away the spots to the Fantasy Football still open.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Suggestions from people. We have debated a few Eddie's come
up with what I think is a pretty good idea,
but we're still open, so yeah, we'll probably provide that
info for you on an upcoming pod or two. So yeah,
slide into either of our dms for that if you
have any thoughts. He is Eddie Garrison. I am Kevin Bowen.
Thank you for listening to Colts Corner with Kevin Bowen.
We'll talk to you probably Tuesday ish. Recap and a
(42:34):
trio of Colts Practice
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