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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are back. It is Colts Corner with myself Kevin
bowing to the bullpen. We go to a team that,
as much as it pains me to say, is looking
pretty good with September arriving. He is a diehard Cubs fan.
You hear him on our airwaves and you've heard him
fill in before for Eddie Garrison. Mark Dyketon, good morning
to you, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thanks for having me pleasure to come in out of
the bullpen well while.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We appreciate it, and you always do a wonderful job.
Roster cuts will primarily be the focus today, and we're
recording this late Friday morning. I know it's kind of
a weird time for us to usually release a pod,
but I don't see Saturday's game overwhelmingly changing things, and
I hate doing like a Monday pod and then boom,
you turn around to Tuesday and it's decision Day. So
(00:44):
I figure we'll go position by position here, Mark go
through the fifty three man roster cut. The quarterback topic,
which obviously was very relevant earlier in the week. I
guess it's always relevant, I should say. Main thoughts on
Tuesday's pod. We got a ton of Twitter questions on that,
so I feel like that will kind of serve as
our quarterback focus with that. How does that sound marked?
(01:06):
The layout?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That sounds good, That works. Yeah, we're not too putting
too much emphasis on the preseason finale. We think mostly
the roster positions have been determined. But you put that
article out, so curious to see your thoughts and how
everything laid out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
For you before we get going. More wins for your
Bears or the Colts this year?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
All the Bears. It better be the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That was said quickly, was that was said decisively with
emphasis behind it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, I know they're in the tough division, They're
in the toughest division in football. But I think with
Ben Johnson and that that coaching staff, Dennis Allen on
the defensive fied Eric Bienemy is the running backs coach,
Antoine Randallell the wide receivers coach. They have a who's
who at coaching and they seem to be coaching those
guys up. And Yeah, I'm not guaranteeing an NFC North
Division or anything like that, but I I'd be shocked
(01:55):
if they're not nine or ten wins this year.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now, the Vegas over under is what eight and a half. Yeah, yeah,
they they do have it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's not much different than the Colts. Cults are seven
and half. They do have a tough schedule. But if
the Colts have a better record than the Bears, then
something has gone horrifically wrong for the Bears this season.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
All right, Mark, let's get into it again. Let's go
position by position here. We don't need to spend a
long long time on each one, but I kind of
want to give you where my thought process is heading
into the cut from ninety to fifty three.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, where are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Go?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Right ahead, start it. I mean, do we need to
go to quarterback? I feel like let's just go.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Into order just to kind of give it a little
bit of structure. Yeah, quarterback, to me is very self explanatory.
It's the one we can probably spend the least amount
of time on. I was curious, would Jason Bean challenge
Riley Leonard And doesn't sound like that is a challenge
at all, and being got so few reps, some of
the fewest reps I've really seen from a quarterback. So
Ryley Leondard for the first half tomorrow, he's your quarterback.
Three and Jason Bean for the fourth or I should say,
(02:49):
for the second half tomorrow. And I don't even really
see the need for him on the practice squad, to
be honest with you, Jason Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, Now do you think the Colts are going to
dress Riley Leonard on Sundays?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Or is he going to be He got that emergency
rule right right, the emergency quarterbacks. I think they'll do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, I know, if you were thinking he would
even go practice squad, I assume you know. But yes,
I'm keeping him on the fifty three. There you go,
all right, running back. That's also seems pretty self explanatory.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think I'm a little curious about the Tyler Goodson injury,
so I'm gonna keep Jonathan Taylor, DJ Giddens, Tyler Goodson,
and Khalil Herbert. I would guess some of my colleagues
might not do that. Now. With Goodson, he's got an
elbow injury. He's also your starting gunner, which is another
kind of weird little quirk right now, both your starting
gunners are hurt Goodson and Doolan. So could Brian Mason
(03:36):
get a you know, gunner type on the roster that
is maybe not as obvious, that's something to watch for.
But you know, assuming Goodson is not going to miss
a ton of time or also be an ir to
return candidate. Herbert got back to practice this week and
he's missed a good amount of time. Now you know,
Herbert was a Bears guy, so I know there was
some questions would he be on the team. I I
(03:59):
think he will. I'm curious about you. Listen Sus Bentley
the fourth you know, could he crack it as an
undrafted free agent. But if Herbert is healthy and Goodson
is back in September, maybe a carry for If not,
then I could see this as a three position Bentley
to the practice squad and then obviously bringing Goodson back
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whenever he is, because I think a healthy Goodson might
be your second running back. M h. I mean, and
I think this is a waiverclaim spot mark. You know,
when you talk about pass catching running back, do you
really want DJ Gibbens as a rookie in that role?
And I mean not Seemingly every other day practice Jonathan
Taylor drops one, so I don't necessarily want him in
that third down role either. So you have running back
a little bit of indecision for me, wide receiver is
(04:42):
where we go next. This is pretty front loaded, I
feel like, but curious about the depth pieces you have
hanging on. Mark, I've got no real debate at whiteout
or tight end. Again, assuming Ashton Doolan's injury is not severe,
then I think this is very straightforward. Josh Downs, Ashton Doolan,
Anthony Gould, Ady Mitchell, Alec Pearson, Pittman. Doolan and Gould
(05:05):
are your kick returners, so they help you out on
special teams. Gould does your punt returner. Now, Downs, I
was a little worried about that hamstring, but you know,
ashooting psych in the other day. What have you be
ready for week one? And he acted like you would
be so. Coleman Owen undrafted kid out Ohio, transferred from
I forget where he was before that. I think somewhere
out west. He has been awesome in camp. I think
(05:25):
reregu Wayne loves him, so maybe he's a practice squad
guy for you. And if Downs was hurt, I could
see him maybe making it. So yeah, whind out to me,
Mark seems pretty straightforward to those six.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Any guys on the practice squad going there.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Owen would be the one, maybe Lakwan Treadwell, just given
his veteran nature to him, those would probably be the two.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I saw a spot for Lakwan tread Well. He was
He's the only NFL pro that ever came out of
my high school. So that I have a special spot
for the the other creemony warrior out there. You go, Lakwan,
take care of business, get that roster spot.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Let's go. And then you said tight end.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now the Will Mallory, Drew Ogletree, Molly Cox, Jolani Woods situation,
where are we going here?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think it's pretty straightforward. I don't know, maybe I'll
be kind of blindsided a little bit by it, But Mark,
I kind of look at this as Warren obviously, and
then Molalley Cox, Drew Ogle Tree, and Will Will Maley.
I think Julani Woods is definitely flashed at times. But
how do you keep five? So maybe practice squad for him?
(06:27):
You know, do you carry five initially and then do
the roster game where then you move into practice squad
later in the week. I mean, maybe he could do that,
but I think Mallory's earned the fourth spot, and you know,
we'll see. Maybe it's something that tomorrow in the game.
Maybe something could be a little bit impacted here, but
I'll say those four and then woods to the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Now we'll move to the offensive line. Do you want
to go position by a position? Would rather just go
full group and who you have hanging on there?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, let's go starters and then back up. Yes, So
your starters are obvious Bernard Ryman, Quentin Nelson, Tanner, Bordalini,
Matt Gonzalvez, Brayden Smith. Your backups, I would say Jalen Travis,
the rookie fourth round pick, and Dalton Tucker would be
your first two. Next, I'll go with Danny Pinter, who
(07:15):
has gotten back to practice. And then I think Luke
Tanuda is the one that emerged when Blake Freeland. I
remember John Tanuda being a crazy defensive coordinator, notre name.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
His nickname had to be Tuna in high school.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Tuna. Oh, yeah, that's for sure, that's a that's a layup. Yeah.
I think he is the new kind of fourth tackle
right tackle. So I like a waiverclaim scour here, certainly,
But I think Tanuda has benefited from the Freeland injury,
as bad as that sounds. So you know, Josh Sills
(07:48):
is the name I'm keeping nine. Ballard has definitely kept
ten in prior years. Sills would be a name as
a guard that's played snaps. I know people know the
name Wesley French, but I feel relatively confident with that nine,
and then Sills would be the one that I'd be
watching for.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh you should have saw Tuna at the keegar the
other day. Oh my god, Tuna, you're a wild man.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Can you imagine he just gets a case of bush
light just for himself?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
For sure? One one on each shoulder most likely. All right,
let's move defensive side. Let's start defensive line there.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, I am. This one's a little bit difficult for me,
so I I bumped it up to ten from earlier
in the week. I added Tim Smith, the sixth round
pick out Alabama. I kind of did a little roster
gymnastics to get him through, and I'm trying to put
myself into ballard shoes. Ballard loves defensive line, as we know,
and so you know, while ten means you probably have
(08:43):
one of these guys in active, I just think that's
how he likes to operate. So the starters Buckner, Stewart,
I guess Quitty pays so when he's back to health,
and then Lat too. Samson Ebcom's dealt with the back
injury lately, So just something to keep.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
An eye on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Taekwon Lewis is definitely a key guy obviously, JT Twoey Malowao,
and then I'll go with Neville Gallimore is probably the
top interior guy. And then out of Tamawa at a
bar a still around. So there's your ten. You know,
I cut Isaiah Land, I cut Eric Johnson. I think
the and Chammi guys had some moments too. You know.
(09:20):
Josh Tupou is the big old dude who LouAnn Arumo
had in Cincinnati. So d line, I'm probably always a
tad and decisive, and I think I am a little
bit here. I don't feel uber confident about it, but
ten is a number that ballad likes, so I will
go with the old double digit right here.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right up next the positional group that has me
the most concerned heading into the regular season, and we
turned to the linebacker group.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Mark, I don't think I've ever done this in fifteen
years of trying to project roster cuts, I don't think
I've ever cut it down to just four, and that's
what I've got at linebacker now. Leu Aannarumo is not
a huge fan of the linebacker position in general. He's
gonna play more DBS and I just I cut schagun
of Luby and that's the one. I'm thinking. Brian Mason's
gonna go to Chris Baward and be like, dude, you
(10:08):
have I don't have a lot of special teams guys
and now dueling and and goods and are hurt. I've
got to keep it Louby. So I'm probably wrong here,
But nonetheless, Joe Bachi, uh Jalen Carlis, Zia Franklin, and
Cameron McCrone the LC product. You know, Austin A. GK
is another name that I thought of out there as
a as a potential fifth linebacker and obviously a LUBI
(10:32):
given a special teams background. You know, Luby has really
not done much defensively though, so that's why I didn't
have him on there. But again, four probably should be
five here if I'm gonna be totally honest.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, man, you lose one to injury, a thin.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think you're playing two and you know, maybe do
you play the practice squad game, you know, where you
keep two of these guys in the practice squad, you
can bring them up. So you are right, I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
From the start of training camp to now, has your
confidence level on the linebacker group gone up? Down or indifferent?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
No, it's still there now, Jalen Carlis I should mention
Mark has been dealing with an ankle injury. Is he
one of those ir candidates to return? If he is,
then you put Alu beyond it and you know, something
like that. So that is one that I probably should
be watching out for a little bit here. So yeah,
(11:27):
I'm with you, man, I'm still very uncertain, and you know,
Zia Franklin is a bit uncertain. He would push back
on that, but he's never had an off season like
this with missing as much time in his career either.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, let's move to the secondary.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You want to go position group or do you want
to just do secondary as a whole.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, let's start with corner. This one is actually kind
of cleared up for me lately. I think the Xaviert
Howard news and Juju Brent's back to practice. Who people
have asked me, Hey, Juju's playing in the preseason game.
Does that mean he could be a surprise cut? I
don't think so, but man, people ask him that question
is now created a little morsel of doubt in my brain.
(12:04):
I just think it's gotta Knocko off Russ and that
dude's missed more time than Richardson. Now. I do need
to remind myself, as I've tried to remind probably all
of our listeners out there, this is Loui Ana Rumo's world.
It's not Gus Bradley's world. But I think he would
like Juju's skill set. So I'm gonna keep six XAVI
and Howard Kenny Moore in Traverius Ward are your starters.
(12:28):
Jalen Jones, assuming he can get back in September, Crystal Mons,
I'll view as back up Nickel, and then I'll go Juju. Brent.
I had Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted kid out of Tulane,
on the roster for a while. That is one that
I'm I'm interested. Could you keep a seventh you know,
certainly practice squad. Unfortunately for Samuel Walmack, he got hurt.
Looked like another hamstring in practice. I liked Duke Shelley
(12:52):
a little bit, but again, you can only keep so
many here, So those are the six that I'm gonna keep. Okay,
safety time. Yeah, the Hunter Wooler injury just such a
bummer here, So that one was a gut punch. The
four seems rather straightforward, cam buying him, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott,
Ronnie Thomas the second. So Daniel Scott, former fifth round pick,
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been waiting for him health wise obviously has been an issue.
Trey Washington's the undrafted free agent out of Old miss
who has a little bit of a of a resume.
But you know, sometimes you keep five safeties for special teams.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But I'll go with those four. Yeah, that seems pretty
cut and dry. I would say special teams. I mean,
Spencer Strader is the starting opening day kicker, correct, Like,
I don't think there's any debate at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't think so. I mean, they haven't officially said that,
but you know, true heo. I assume we'll get a
chance tomorrow, but then it'll be it'll be Strader. So yeah,
s Trader, Luke Rhodes, and Riga Berto Sanchez. So again,
questions at running back, for sure, you know, always in
the trenches are your number off there? Linebacker keeping for
is probably idiotic. I don't see myself overwhelmingly change, but
(13:56):
I will make an updated one on the website here
this weekend. If we keep an eye out for that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You ready for Tori questions, Let's do it, brother? All right,
looks like you got a response from the university. Creighton
has reached out. I'm assuming j can you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Make a blue Jay noise for us? Mark tweet tweet.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I can't do it that well. I don't even know
if that's a blue Jay. Sounds like it's probably sounded
great to me some other thing. All right, must parent
You know, as a Colts fan, this feels terrible. A
lose lose for both quarterbacks. Richardson should have started. This
has to be decision made by a coach needing wins
and not caring about the future of the position for
the Colts. Your thoughts, well, yes, I guess answered that
(14:37):
last part self preservation baby, correct.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know it's uh. It kind of goes back to
us comment I probably made early in the off season.
This is a very awkward time to be a Colts fan.
We're not used to that in this market. We've been
very fortunate, frankly from a quarterback standpoint, not to have
these awkward moments. And you know, we had a listener,
Mark Paul, I think, reached out to us earlier this
week saying the Colts asked all to be patient, and
(15:01):
now they're no longer practicing that patience. I think there's
a lot of validity to that. So you know, this
is no longer twenty twenty three. It's happy, go lucky,
Let's go watch our young quarterback grow or you know,
I mean that is that's gone. It's self preservation is
a great way to put it. And you know, as
morbid as this might sound, and I'm not trying to
(15:21):
make it sound like that, but someone asked me earlier
this week, if Jim Mersey was still here, would we
see Richardson as a starter. It's not that far fetched
with a thought in mind. So I don't know, it's
all just so confusing. Why was the line of scrimmage
elementary nature to Anthony Richardson acceptable in twenty twenty three
but not in twenty twenty five? You know it just
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so Yes, to answer your question, Creton, this is you know,
very largely coaches are pretty short, you know, term mindset e.
But you know, Stichen's not an idiot. He knows the
leasha isn't very long.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, and that's why the valid fan frustration over this
whole situation with the lack of patients from the organization.
When they ask the fan base to have that same patience,
it's frustrating. It's frustrating there. And then again, now you've
got a coaching staff that is trying to survive. They
would like to keep their jobs in the NFL. But
Shane Stiken also, I would like to get another head
(16:17):
coaching job down the line if if this one doesn't
work out. So he's going to go with the guy
that he thinks best makes his system work, and that
apparently is Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, and I think we'll have more questions to get
into this. But yeah, stike in is he's bullish on
the ten around Jones and himself.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, all right, Kit is up next? He said, how
about the prospective of Danny Dimes as compared to Gardner Minshew,
he was one throwaway from winning the division. I know
that's a simplistic view, but I would understand why Shane
feels like he could make the playoffs, even with a
slight upgrade from Minshew, And I'm willing to bet he
makes the playoffs or you're fired or for Ballad and
Shane yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I again, this kind of gets into what I was
just saying, Like Shane is bold on the run game,
the O line, the pass catchers, and himself. Like Mark,
I would have a question if your skill group look
like this in twenty twenty three, would you have operated
in the same manner? Like their skill group is better? Right,
(17:14):
I mean Urn and Down. You know Downs is a
rookie then, and Pierce has truly emerged, and so I
do think they are better suited for a game manager
to operate it. Now, Daniel Jones's record against teams above
five hundred, I want to say, it's like seven thirty
three and one. So I still think there's a largely
(17:36):
a defined ceiling. You know that twenty three season, I
remember correctly, Mark Matt Gay makes a million field goals
to win in Week three four, and I think that's
the last time. To me, it's last time they've beaten
a notable quarterback. So you know, this year's schedule has
got I mean even week one, I mean Tua is
Tua might be the best quarterback the Colts have. If
the Colts beat Tua, he might be the best quarterback
(17:57):
they've beaten since Lamar Jackson. And you know, people debate
two on a daily basis right about how good he
is in the NFL. Certainly injuries have played a role
into it. So yeah, I mean again, I understand where
Shane is coming from. He thinks I'm a great play caller.
I can scheme some stuff up. I just want someone
that can be more in control. And I think you
(18:21):
know you and I talked about this on air with
James Boy and jeff Rickert earlier this week, of like,
is Daniel Jones better than Anthony Richardson or is he
just more consistent?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I think stylistically he fits what Shane Stykeen wants to
do more than what Anthony Richardson does. I always felt
like Anthony Richardson Shane Stikeen were pulling a two different
ends of the rope Stylistically, Anthony Richardson is more of
a big, tough running running back running quarterback, and Shane
Stikeen wants more of that past centric and just kind
of dink and dunk. If you need to and all
(18:53):
that stuff. He wants to find a guy that can
operate his offense the way he sees fit, and I
don't think obviously he thinks that Anthony Richardson can do
that year three. So that's why he's rolling with Daniel
Jones on a one year deal.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, it's it's a lesser of two evils. And Mark,
you know, you and I hopefully will be here. Well
we will be here one day, I guess, and hopefully
it won't be as nervous as is making me right now.
But at some point you hand the keys to the
sixteen year old, and in this case you might say
Richardson sixteen and Jones is seventeen. Yeah, it's just one
(19:25):
more call me and influence, you know, one more year
behind the wail. I mean that are you know? Richardson's
been in four crashes and Jones have been in three.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, one more year with the permit. Sure you go
get the light ounce. That's kind of how you feel it,
all right. This is probably one of your more popular
questions you've had. Garrett and Daner have both asked, would
you request a trade if you are in Anthony Richardson's shoes.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think it's a hair dramatic for that. You know,
you and I disagreed on this earlier this week, Mark,
I tend to think the best case scenario for Anthony
Richardson in twenty twenty five is to just sit here
with the Colts, perhaps honestly don't even play. But the
best chance for him to succeed will be somehow, some
way he plays. Jones. Jones misses games every year. Seemingly
(20:11):
he plays for two weeks. It kind of looks like
the Jets and Patriots of last year, and now all
of a sudden he's a darling again. Look what happened
to Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones went away from the NFL
for three months and now he comes back. And you
would have thought Ryan Gosling had just walked in the
bow and household.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Boy madd he'd probably be excited more than would you
think more than me wearing more than eighty two Notre
Dame baseball shirt with I think of the six buttons
that were originally on it, I think only three are there.
If he can knock some stuff off the chore list
for you.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's probably where I I would side of that. Yeah,
I'd be pulling weeds in the yard very quickly. So
I think that's kind of where I'm at with Richardson.
Now you have mentioned, hey, you know, straight into the
rams and Jeohn McVay blah blah blah. I understand where
you're coming.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
From, right I'm not saying he would necessarily request a trade,
but I could see where a change of scenery would
do him well where he's kind of just treading water
right now, maybe even regressing to this point in the
Colts organization, where a change of scenery sometimes that's all
you need, is you need to get like the guys
that were on the White Sox last year, on the
worst baseball team ever, all of a sudden they go
the Brewers, and Andrew Vaughn, who couldn't hit a lick
(21:21):
a is all of a sudden leading the team on
this hot streak that the Brewers have been on. Not
to go down the baseball rabbit hole. But sometimes it's
a change of scenery that all you need is you
need to get a more competent guy, or maybe a
Sean McVay that can get in his ear and say
I can fix this guy. You just need one coach
around the NFL that say I can fix him and
get him on, get him an interest.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I agree on the change of scenery part. I just
think the best time for that is probably in January. Yeah,
I mean if he already is having issues offensively here
with three years in the same system, you know, what's
three weeks going to be somewhere else? And there is
part of me And this kind of gets away from
the question a little bit more, but like, does Shane
Stiken owe it to his franchise? And honestly it's probably
(22:02):
where Carley would have to step in. Does he owe
it to the franchise to say we drafted this project.
Shane Steichen, I would argue, wanted him more than anybody
in that building. You owe it to the project to
see it out and and hear me out as they
play caller and a head coach. Here's the small playbook
that Anthony Richardson knows. This is what we're working with.
(22:25):
You can continue to evaluate him on availability, accuracy, the
pre snap stuff. Yeah, one day you'd love for the
menu to look like the cheesecake factory, But right now
we're living in I shouldn't say cracker Barrow. We're living
in steak and shakes world, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You're living in You're living in in and out Burger
where it's literally burgers and fries.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Perfect. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We are living in there, and so five menu choices
you get nothing else?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Do you do? You go that path again. Maybe it's
not the best case to open up the whole playbook
and all of that versus a band aid. I can
hear people on both sides of it. I think largely
our listeners know where I am. I'm always one eye
towards the future. So yes, I would say, you do,
But clearly that's not happened.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
All right, Jamie's up next, Daniel Jones plays lights out
and Colts decide to give him a contract just paid
Bernard Ryman. Almost all your defensive end depth is do
new contracts. One positive, ap stock is down. I assume
that means.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ar well, Alex Pierce Pierce.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm sorry, ap stock is down, and Colts may get
him on the cheap boy. They ain't getting Pierce in
the cheap I mean, yes, But if you're a Pierce's agent,
you just tell teams, Hey, have you seen the twenty
twenty four film when my client led the league in.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yards per catch Boyd. But the large premise here, that's danger.
I mean, what if twenty twenty two Giants happens all
over again. Daniel Jones looks good? God, are you giving
him the notable deal? Because you know, again we touched
on this this week on the show Mark the weird
thing with the Jones situation versus Richardson, you owe financial
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answers quicker to Jones than you Richardson. Again, Jones is
on a one year deal as a free agent, will
be a free agent twenty twenty six. Richardson is under
control for next year at a reasonable number. The question
with Richardson is do you pick up the fifth year
option for twenty twenty seven. You must make that decision
by next spring. So let's just play this out. If
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you say no to that fifth year option, which right
now clearly is trenched, why would you say yes in
that direction? You then have him for one more year,
finishing out his rookie contract before free agency. Whereas with
Jones right here, right now, you have got to make
that decision after the season. And if Daniel Jones looks
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like he did in twenty twenty two, are you giving
him three years in sixty million.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, unless he wins the MVP of the league. I
don't think I'm giving him a contract extension at all.
That's just me. But I think at this point you
need to rip the band aid off, stop again with
these veteran quarterback plugs and just draft a quarterback with
a comp GM and new head coach. If that's the
way they end up going with when this is all
said and done this season, you get in the twenty
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twenty sixth draft, you draft a young guy and you
actually develop him. You give him time. You don't have
to throw him out there on Week one. Let him
develop with a competent coaching staff and everything like that.
That's the way I would go because you're not winning
anything with Daniel Jones in the long term. We can
go through the laundry list of who's won the AFC
South last couple of years and the brock Os, Wilers
and this and that. I think most fans are thinking
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and hoping that Daniel Jones is a one year solution
and that's it, and then you rip the band aid
off and you start a knew once again with the
quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't know where you fall on that, but I
must he's winning the MVP. Why would you bring him
back again?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What did Belichick say about Cincinnati or on a Cincinnati
honnest Cincinnati, we're on a twenty twenty six mock draft.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, yeah, I was already looking at that earlier this week. Unfortunately,
Field twin Drew Aller Drew Aller from Penn State Babby.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
With the eleventh pick. Uh huh yeah? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
All right, Travis. My only thoughts on this, Kevin is
the new This was never truly a competition. Was the
writing already on the wall when they signed Daniel Jones?
Now we kicked this can down the road another year.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Boy, it's a great question. And I honestly pupooed the
fourteen million like people were like, Hey, that to me
tells me something. I kind of swept that under the rug.
Maybe I should have been a little bit more addressing that.
To me, that was kind of just the price of
doing business. And I know he turned down more from Minnesota,
So you know, if Daniel Jones would have taken the
Minnesota money, who the hell is your starter now? Is
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it Richardson or is it you know, Jamus or somebody.
So yeah, I think there's some merit. You know, a
couple other things. I do think Richardson missing those seven
of nine practices in the spring, as decimating as it
was to him, I think it also allowed the staff
to further fall in love with Jones. You can watch
Jones in a practice. I mean I've watched him in
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a lot, and yeah, you know, I think this week,
I think he's throwing a pick. Maybe I think he's
had one pick each each day. But he's also had
ten eleven twelve throws where it's like boom, their instride,
good ball placement. You can see why they would favor
that from a consistency standpoint. Honestly, the question I would
have is if Shane Stikeen wasn't in the NFC East
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in twenty twenty two, would we'd be talking about this?
I mean, Shane Sticken, that man who says nothing in
a press conference. That man brought out the franchise record
for the New York Giants completion percentage on Tuesday. I'm like, damn,
I don't know what I was stunned it was only
sixty seven percent. Probably shows you where the New York
Giants have been as a quarterback franchise, So he went
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deep on the pro football focused number he did. He
bust not the analytics and everything. Listen to that talking point,
but hear me out, Mark, he's in that division in
twenty twenty two. He's prepping his Eagles offense each week,
so he sees a lot of Daniel Jones in film study.
When Jones goes three and thirteen as a starter in
twenty three and twenty four, he's here. He's not watching
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Jones to the level that he watched him in twenty
twenty two. Where injuries have happened since then, you know again,
it's like you get further away from the player. It's
Carson Wentzon Philly sort of thing, like you know, okay, Frank,
I get that, but a lot's happened since then, So interesting.
That is the thought.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Matt up next. I'm sort of happy with the decision
to start Daniel Jones. What do you say to Colts
fans like me who have already kind of checked out
on Anthony Richardson. It's not that we don't see the upside.
He's already shown he can play winning football, even with
some accuracy concerns. I mainly come down to health. Even
if he puts it all together, it still feels like
it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again,
and going forward will be living with that constant concern
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every single season.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Sure availability, yep, I totally hear you out and now
again Richard Jones's struggle with some availability at at times.
But you know, Jones, my win total for the Colts
won't change very much honestly when we get to that time,
and the hell we're almost there. I do think they
can still be a fine football team without or with Jones.
I should say again, I think our skill group is
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much more equipped to playing this sort of football. But
I do think there is a defined ceiling with it.
So to me, it's you're always striving to find that
next guy. How do you find that? That's where it
is for me. But you know, I understand there is
a section of the fan base mark that's just done
with Richardson. But again I can totally hear you out
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on that. The thing is, if you're done with Richardson,
I don't know. I mean, Jones to me is just
he's kind of similar to you know, everybody else. So
that's where I think it is frustrating, but living in
the here and now, yeah, I don't think. You know,
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I'd be stunned if the culture drafting top five, I'd
be stunned if they're drafting I'd be stunned to they
drafting top ten. Really, Okay, I don't. I mean again,
Vegas has it a seven and a half, and I
think that's a perfectly fine number. Maybe even I'll probably
go a hair higher than that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I could. I could see them going
top ten. And that's just because I think this is
going to snowball at some point and the locker room
is going to start getting a little chirpy, and I could.
I have a feeling this could be a season that
we've similar seen when we had Jeff Saturday as head
coach at some point. I don't know if I can
get that level of blank show, but I could see
where if something starts going south, that rocker room starts
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fracturing a little bit, Maybe the veterans start chirping up
a little more, guys start getting unhappy, and boy, jeez, man,
I know I would hate for that to be the situation,
but I also can visualize that happening and we see
the entire front off is blown out head coaching staff
and we're just starting all on new in twenty twenty six,
so we'll see. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but boy it could.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Max.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What are the fantasy implications of Daniel Jones at quarterback?
Who have been his favorite targets at camp? Boy, you're
targeting Daniel Jones in your draft, you really must be
in like a thirty team league.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Now you and I are in a league together, uh
huh uh, So don't listen to me right now. I
would draft Tyler Warren very high. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I would say there are two cults that I would
have on my draft board, and that would be Jonathan
Taylor and to be Tyler Warren. And after that, I mean,
I'm taking a flyer and they're probably sitting on the
bench main majority of the season. When it comes to
wide receivers, you.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Know, Jones had some good times in New York with
some of the downs type of guys, some of the
slot guys. So again PPR leagues, you know, could you
live off of, you know, kind of a solid day
from downs here and there. Yeah, definitely. But I think Warren,
I think he's gonna catch it a lot. I think
he's gonna be using the red zone a lot. I
think they're gonna use his legs. I think it might
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even use his arm. We saw to Penn state the
deep ball is curious to me? How much does this
hurt Pierce? And that's why I think makes Piers one
of the more fascinating fantasy players. It's like he barely
catches the ball, but if he has two for sixty
five in a touchdown, you're gonna take that. Yeah, So
you just hope that he catches one of them and
doesn't get you know, forty yard pass interference with the
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team still benefits from it, but you don't.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I feel like every wide receiver on the Colts is
gonna be one of those guys you have on the
bench that you only play when one of your guys
has a bye week because it's gonna be so hit
miss with the quarterback situation and just the receptions. How
many looks are they going to get per game. That's
why Tyler Warren and Jonathan Taylor those would be the
only two cults I circle on draft boards. That's the
entire time. That's fair, all right, Craig says, if according
to Carly, the goal is to be the best, then
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when does she believe Daniel Jones is the answer? Knowing
what you know about Carly, do you think she steps
in at any point this season on the QB situation?
What is your over under on Daniel Jones starts?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Boy, Well, Daniel Jones's career would indicate he's not starting
seventeen games. You know, he's probably I don't know, fourteen gamer.
So I mean, we're gonna see Anthony richardson, right, I mean,
I think so so obviously that will will cross that
bridge whenever that happens, you know, certainly. Right now with
Carly we know little, but I do think this is
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a really great overall point. It's you know, she is
a very very much. We've got to strive to be
the best, be the best, be the best. Okay to
me when I hear that be the best is sustained greatness. Yeah,
it's multiple year runs, it's keeping the window open. It's
what Baltimore has right now. It's what Buffalo has right now.
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It's what Kansas City has right now. You know, it's
what Houston seemingly has had, and I guess could have
with the CJ.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Stroud air, it's competing for division titles annually.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Correct, yes, plural annually exactly, and so to do that
you cannot band aids. And there is part of me
that kind of goes back to the combine mark when
we had Chris Boward on our show and you know,
I asked Ballard, why are you getting the ninth year?
And the answer had very little to do with anything
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on his resume in that he was getting the ninth year.
But it really came back to the thought process organizationally,
with Jim Mersey clearly signing off on this when they
drafted Richardson. I mean, he's telling people to combine, like
we don't have to win, like we were going to
have this window. We can be patient in this window.
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And so we're gonna draft Richardson, We're gonna hire the
first year head coach, and now indirectly, we're gonna create
a new life for me as a GM Well seemingly
it's another life with Daniel Jones, like it's now a
new and I get it, like Harley's not gonna obviously
fire someone two weeks before the start of the season,
but it is just kind of odd how he cans
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back to the Jim Mercy thing, like you ran it back
with this group, I assume, thinking Anthony Richardson, you didn't
run it back with this group, saying you guys deserve
another quarterback chance, especially ballot. Yeah, so Ben says, why
the f is Daniel Jones in the building before Anthony
richards In most days, I'm getting this from Warren's comments.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Maybe he just doesn't get it and never will.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah. I don't know if Tyler Warren inferred exactly that,
but I just think largely the last part he doesn't
get it and never will. I think that's sadly well
said of a guy that is naive. Yeah, it doesn't
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get I mean, you know, just didn't grow up and
you know whatever. Daniel Jones maybe grew up in a
different quarterback climate, and then he was drafted to a
team that had Eli Manning. And this gets into it
when you're laying the pie out and you're putting blame
on the pie. Certainly Richardson is a big chunk of it,
without question, But to me, the biggest chunk is probably
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the misevaluation, the misevaluation of how naive he truly was.
How much hand holding was going to be needed, and
then off of that the plan that needed to be
in place to follow that, Like you needed to hold
the hand big time. You know, Mark, you can speak
to with three young children. You know, if all three
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of you acrossing the road, there's probably one of them
that you feel like he had to hold a hand
more than the other one to literally do.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That the last two days at school because someone would
try to take off in the parking lot and what
were we doing here and then over here?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think the analogy makes a little bit of sense,
Like you have to treat your prize franchise possession like that. Yeah,
at some point you're gonna have to let go of
the hand. But you don't draft the biggest project, arguably
in the NFL history, for a first round pick and
not hold the hand. We don't need to play the
big old NFL macho game of oh no, he's got
to learn the hard way. No, you have to do
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everything you can in these early years, have the James
Johnson James Johnson type pacers influence inside that quarterback room.
Gardner Minshew is a sixth round pick. Wanted no part
of that. I don't blame Gardner, Joe Flacco, he wanted
no part of that emphasis on no, and Daniel Jones
is trying to revive his career, like where's the Matt hasseback?
You know, where was that aspect to it? I mean
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you felt like Andrew Luck needed that. So, yes, Anthony
Rigdon deserves blame. Definitely at some point you would like
to think it would fall into him. But you know, again,
I've told the story before. I watched that documentary I
forget which streaming service is on, where they followed Bryce Young,
Anthony and some other high school quarterback around. I mean
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it was jarring to see Anthony's high school football program
compared to Bryce Young's, for example. I mean it was
light years away from the difference in that. And then
you know obviously the college scene. Bryce Young, you know,
plays at a high level and starts for multiple years
and all of that, and Anthony didn't do that. So
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COVID year if you throw that in there as well.
So again there's blame to go around. I've called it
organizational failure. Richardson has included in that, but I would
say the misevaluation is probably the biggest thing.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So in the classroom and everything like that. Last year,
like Cale Williams was a rookie, the only other quarterback
he had to rely on in there was Tyson Baging,
another young guy. There's reports from last season that the
Everflues coaching staff was obviously a shit show and whatnot.
But he even said, like, no one was teaching me
how to play quarterback, how to read offenses, all that stuff.
That's why this season they brought in a case Keenum,
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a guy who's already been out of the league for
a little bit but came back. But he's a veteran.
He knows he's not competing for a starting job, but
they brought him in and he's kind of gotten. You know,
this is how you study the playbook, that's how you
break down film, that's how you read defenses, this and that,
and that's something that Anthony Richardson never got over these
last three years. So it's one of those things where
it's like, yeah, you're bringing guys in, but you're also
bringing these veteran guys in with the chance to compete.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
You need to bring in.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
A guy that is probably in the shadow of his
career that probably you're going to be playing back up.
There's not a chance that you're going to play QB
one at any point. He never had that. He never
learned how to break down film, he never learned how
to read defenses or anything like that. He was going
in blind.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And maybe that's on Shane Stikeen the coaching staff not
helping him along, but that's also in the organization. We're
not giving him competent veterans to help him through the
whole process of adjusting from college of the NFL. I
think that's really well set. At some point you have
to take the training wheels off. At some point, the
leash comes off. At some point, you know, again, you
stop the handholding. I get all of that, but you've
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got to put all that stuff on to start. And honestly,
I think the financial makeup of quarterbacks in the NFL
play into this as well. Like before you give them
the big money, you've got that four year period to
evaluate to try and get them to where they've earned that.
You make sure you give them all the resources available
to help them out, and then at some point you
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hope the quarterback covers up whatever weakness here, weakness there,
and they're making that sort of money, all.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right, last one of the Twitter questions comes from z Palm.
This one is a little dated only because it starts
out with even the QB starter potentially being named. Do
you think the veteran players have a say in the
decision making? Think big guys like DeForest Buckner, Quentin Nelson,
Kenny Moore, Michael Pittman, Zaire Franklin, DJ Mont, Dya, DJ
or Ar. I remember Zaire and some company opening openly
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mocking Daniel Jones on their podcast. Hard to imagine that
group would then vouch for DJ to lead the team.
I hope it's not DJ. I feel Nausius already. Well,
I'm curious how many buckets he filled in last week?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Gosh, I forgot. Remember Ziah Franklin saying he wanted to
play Daniel Jones uh huh on the podcast? Yeah, now
he's the quarterback that he is. You fast. I could
see the locker room being pretty split on this. Yeah,
I don't disagree at all. Like Mark, you play offense
for the Colts. You're out there on the field during
that Ravens play and you're like, wait a minute, all
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ten of us were on the same page, and yeah,
you got sacked. But then you're on the offense during
the Green Bay play and you're the left tackle that
got absolutely whipped on the play, and he then completed
some thirty yard ball to Anthony Gould and you're like, oh,
thank you, Anthony, let me help you up from that.
Like I could see it going both ways. And you know,
Quentin Nelson obviously expressed some frustration about it earlier this week,
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and you know, again he's been part of it for
now eight years. So yeah, I'd be very curious what
the locker room answer would be on that. I do
think several players, the air being one of them, Michael
Pittman being one of them, even a little bit of Buckner.
I mean, I feel like they've kind of gone to
above and beyond to describe whatever their support for Richardson
and all of that. I don't think they necessarily need
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to do that. But then you know, if you're some
of these pass catchers is there. You know, Pierce might
not fall into this category, but maybe some of the
others that say, hey, I'm I'm in where I'm supposed
to be. I made the end cut at eight yards,
give me the ball, not airmail me. So yeah, I
think they could be split as well.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I also noticed in those comments too that the veteran
guys who've been through numerous quarterback changes wanted to stick
with Anthony Richardson because he's been around and in the organization.
I think they just wanted some stability, and the younger
guys who don't know any better, like, yeah, we can
roll with Daniel Jones because they don't know any better
because they haven't they haven't gone through the quarterback carousel
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that the veterans have, So I can see the locker
room being split from I've been in the league for
a few years to guys who are just coming into
the league like, yeah, this is our first goal around too,
so sure, roll with the guy that we think is
gonna win. And the veterans like, not this again. We
can't be doing this again because I feel for guys
like Quittin Nelson into Forrest Buckner that deserve better and
probably would like to be going elsewhere to get some
stability there.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
No, I think that's a very very good point. That
is the voice of Mark Dyketon. I am Kevin Bowen.
This is Colts Corner with myself and Mark. I guess
preving the weekend again preseason finale coming up tomorrow. That'd
be Saturday afternoon in Sincy and then Tuesday by four
o'clock roster cuts do Chris Boward will meet the media
and what will be or typically is his last press
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conference of the season. That'll be Wednesday, Recap and roster cuts.
Usually waiver claims are processed by that time as well. Mark,
great work, Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you for
the donut as well. Yes, I would say delicious. I
would say good luck to your cubs, but I don't
really really mean that's unnecessary. Yeah, that'd be like the casual, like,
hey man, can't wait to hang out again. It's like, well,
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I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I'd rather dig into portapot now he is, Mark Dyketon up,
Kevin bow and thank you for listening to Colts Corner,
and we'll be back next week, probably Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
We're looking maybe a little post ballot pressor
We are back. It is Colts Corner with myself Kevin
bowing to the bullpen. We go to a team that,
as much as it pains me to say, is looking
pretty good with September arriving. He is a diehard Cubs fan.
You hear him on our airwaves and you've heard him
fill in before for Eddie Garrison. Mark Dyketon, good morning
to you, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thanks for having me pleasure to come in out of
the bullpen well while.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We appreciate it, and you always do a wonderful job.
Roster cuts will primarily be the focus today, and we're
recording this late Friday morning. I know it's kind of
a weird time for us to usually release a pod,
but I don't see Saturday's game overwhelmingly changing things, and
I hate doing like a Monday pod and then boom,
you turn around to Tuesday and it's decision Day. So
(00:44):
I figure we'll go position by position here, Mark go
through the fifty three man roster cut. The quarterback topic,
which obviously was very relevant earlier in the week. I
guess it's always relevant, I should say. Main thoughts on
Tuesday's pod. We got a ton of Twitter questions on that,
so I feel like that will kind of serve as
our quarterback focus with that. How does that sound marked?
(01:06):
The layout?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That sounds good, That works. Yeah, we're not too putting
too much emphasis on the preseason finale. We think mostly
the roster positions have been determined. But you put that
article out, so curious to see your thoughts and how
everything laid out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
For you before we get going. More wins for your
Bears or the Colts this year?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
All the Bears. It better be the Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That was said quickly, was that was said decisively with
emphasis behind it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, I know they're in the tough division, They're
in the toughest division in football. But I think with
Ben Johnson and that that coaching staff, Dennis Allen on
the defensive fied Eric Bienemy is the running backs coach,
Antoine Randallell the wide receivers coach. They have a who's
who at coaching and they seem to be coaching those
guys up. And Yeah, I'm not guaranteeing an NFC North
Division or anything like that, but I I'd be shocked
(01:55):
if they're not nine or ten wins this year.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now, the Vegas over under is what eight and a half. Yeah, yeah,
they they do have it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's not much different than the Colts. Cults are seven
and half. They do have a tough schedule. But if
the Colts have a better record than the Bears, then
something has gone horrifically wrong for the Bears this season.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
All right, Mark, let's get into it again. Let's go
position by position here. We don't need to spend a
long long time on each one, but I kind of
want to give you where my thought process is heading
into the cut from ninety to fifty three.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, where are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Go?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Right ahead, start it. I mean, do we need to
go to quarterback? I feel like let's just go.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Into order just to kind of give it a little
bit of structure. Yeah, quarterback, to me is very self explanatory.
It's the one we can probably spend the least amount
of time on. I was curious, would Jason Bean challenge
Riley Leonard And doesn't sound like that is a challenge
at all, and being got so few reps, some of
the fewest reps I've really seen from a quarterback. So
Ryley Leondard for the first half tomorrow, he's your quarterback.
Three and Jason Bean for the fourth or I should say,
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for the second half tomorrow. And I don't even really
see the need for him on the practice squad, to
be honest with you, Jason Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, Now do you think the Colts are going to
dress Riley Leonard on Sundays?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Or is he going to be He got that emergency
rule right right, the emergency quarterbacks. I think they'll do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, I know, if you were thinking he would
even go practice squad, I assume you know. But yes,
I'm keeping him on the fifty three. There you go,
all right, running back. That's also seems pretty self explanatory.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think I'm a little curious about the Tyler Goodson injury,
so I'm gonna keep Jonathan Taylor, DJ Giddens, Tyler Goodson,
and Khalil Herbert. I would guess some of my colleagues
might not do that. Now. With Goodson, he's got an
elbow injury. He's also your starting gunner, which is another
kind of weird little quirk right now, both your starting
gunners are hurt Goodson and Doolan. So could Brian Mason
(03:36):
get a you know, gunner type on the roster that
is maybe not as obvious, that's something to watch for.
But you know, assuming Goodson is not going to miss
a ton of time or also be an ir to
return candidate. Herbert got back to practice this week and
he's missed a good amount of time. Now you know,
Herbert was a Bears guy, so I know there was
some questions would he be on the team. I I
(03:59):
think he will. I'm curious about you. Listen Sus Bentley
the fourth you know, could he crack it as an
undrafted free agent. But if Herbert is healthy and Goodson
is back in September, maybe a carry for If not,
then I could see this as a three position Bentley
to the practice squad and then obviously bringing Goodson back
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whenever he is, because I think a healthy Goodson might
be your second running back. M h. I mean, and
I think this is a waiverclaim spot mark. You know,
when you talk about pass catching running back, do you
really want DJ Gibbens as a rookie in that role?
And I mean not Seemingly every other day practice Jonathan
Taylor drops one, so I don't necessarily want him in
that third down role either. So you have running back
a little bit of indecision for me, wide receiver is
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where we go next. This is pretty front loaded, I
feel like, but curious about the depth pieces you have
hanging on. Mark, I've got no real debate at whiteout
or tight end. Again, assuming Ashton Doolan's injury is not severe,
then I think this is very straightforward. Josh Downs, Ashton Doolan,
Anthony Gould, Ady Mitchell, Alec Pearson, Pittman. Doolan and Gould
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are your kick returners, so they help you out on
special teams. Gould does your punt returner. Now, Downs, I
was a little worried about that hamstring, but you know,
ashooting psych in the other day. What have you be
ready for week one? And he acted like you would
be so. Coleman Owen undrafted kid out Ohio, transferred from
I forget where he was before that. I think somewhere
out west. He has been awesome in camp. I think
(05:25):
reregu Wayne loves him, so maybe he's a practice squad
guy for you. And if Downs was hurt, I could
see him maybe making it. So yeah, whind out to me,
Mark seems pretty straightforward to those six.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Any guys on the practice squad going there.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Owen would be the one, maybe Lakwan Treadwell, just given
his veteran nature to him, those would probably be the two.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I saw a spot for Lakwan tread Well. He was
He's the only NFL pro that ever came out of
my high school. So that I have a special spot
for the the other creemony warrior out there. You go, Lakwan,
take care of business, get that roster spot.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Let's go. And then you said tight end.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now the Will Mallory, Drew Ogletree, Molly Cox, Jolani Woods situation,
where are we going here?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think it's pretty straightforward. I don't know, maybe I'll
be kind of blindsided a little bit by it, But Mark,
I kind of look at this as Warren obviously, and
then Molalley Cox, Drew Ogle Tree, and Will Will Maley.
I think Julani Woods is definitely flashed at times. But
how do you keep five? So maybe practice squad for him?
(06:27):
You know, do you carry five initially and then do
the roster game where then you move into practice squad
later in the week. I mean, maybe he could do that,
but I think Mallory's earned the fourth spot, and you know,
we'll see. Maybe it's something that tomorrow in the game.
Maybe something could be a little bit impacted here, but
I'll say those four and then woods to the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Now we'll move to the offensive line. Do you want
to go position by a position? Would rather just go
full group and who you have hanging on there?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, let's go starters and then back up. Yes, So
your starters are obvious Bernard Ryman, Quentin Nelson, Tanner, Bordalini,
Matt Gonzalvez, Brayden Smith. Your backups, I would say Jalen Travis,
the rookie fourth round pick, and Dalton Tucker would be
your first two. Next, I'll go with Danny Pinter, who
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has gotten back to practice. And then I think Luke
Tanuda is the one that emerged when Blake Freeland. I
remember John Tanuda being a crazy defensive coordinator, notre name.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
His nickname had to be Tuna in high school.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Tuna. Oh, yeah, that's for sure, that's a that's a layup. Yeah.
I think he is the new kind of fourth tackle
right tackle. So I like a waiverclaim scour here, certainly,
But I think Tanuda has benefited from the Freeland injury,
as bad as that sounds. So you know, Josh Sills
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is the name I'm keeping nine. Ballard has definitely kept
ten in prior years. Sills would be a name as
a guard that's played snaps. I know people know the
name Wesley French, but I feel relatively confident with that nine,
and then Sills would be the one that I'd be
watching for.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh you should have saw Tuna at the keegar the
other day. Oh my god, Tuna, you're a wild man.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Can you imagine he just gets a case of bush
light just for himself?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
For sure? One one on each shoulder most likely. All right,
let's move defensive side. Let's start defensive line there.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, I am. This one's a little bit difficult for me,
so I I bumped it up to ten from earlier
in the week. I added Tim Smith, the sixth round
pick out Alabama. I kind of did a little roster
gymnastics to get him through, and I'm trying to put
myself into ballard shoes. Ballard loves defensive line, as we know,
and so you know, while ten means you probably have
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one of these guys in active, I just think that's
how he likes to operate. So the starters Buckner, Stewart,
I guess Quitty pays so when he's back to health,
and then Lat too. Samson Ebcom's dealt with the back
injury lately, So just something to keep.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
An eye on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Taekwon Lewis is definitely a key guy obviously, JT Twoey Malowao,
and then I'll go with Neville Gallimore is probably the
top interior guy. And then out of Tamawa at a
bar a still around. So there's your ten. You know,
I cut Isaiah Land, I cut Eric Johnson. I think
the and Chammi guys had some moments too. You know.
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Josh Tupou is the big old dude who LouAnn Arumo
had in Cincinnati. So d line, I'm probably always a
tad and decisive, and I think I am a little
bit here. I don't feel uber confident about it, but
ten is a number that ballad likes, so I will
go with the old double digit right here.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right up next the positional group that has me
the most concerned heading into the regular season, and we
turned to the linebacker group.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Mark, I don't think I've ever done this in fifteen
years of trying to project roster cuts, I don't think
I've ever cut it down to just four, and that's
what I've got at linebacker now. Leu Aannarumo is not
a huge fan of the linebacker position in general. He's
gonna play more DBS and I just I cut schagun
of Luby and that's the one. I'm thinking. Brian Mason's
gonna go to Chris Baward and be like, dude, you
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have I don't have a lot of special teams guys
and now dueling and and goods and are hurt. I've
got to keep it Louby. So I'm probably wrong here,
But nonetheless, Joe Bachi, uh Jalen Carlis, Zia Franklin, and
Cameron McCrone the LC product. You know, Austin A. GK
is another name that I thought of out there as
a as a potential fifth linebacker and obviously a LUBI
(10:32):
given a special teams background. You know, Luby has really
not done much defensively though, so that's why I didn't
have him on there. But again, four probably should be
five here if I'm gonna be totally honest.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, man, you lose one to injury, a thin.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think you're playing two and you know, maybe do
you play the practice squad game, you know, where you
keep two of these guys in the practice squad, you
can bring them up. So you are right, I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
From the start of training camp to now, has your
confidence level on the linebacker group gone up? Down or indifferent?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
No, it's still there now, Jalen Carlis I should mention
Mark has been dealing with an ankle injury. Is he
one of those ir candidates to return? If he is,
then you put Alu beyond it and you know, something
like that. So that is one that I probably should
be watching out for a little bit here. So yeah,
(11:27):
I'm with you, man, I'm still very uncertain, and you know,
Zia Franklin is a bit uncertain. He would push back
on that, but he's never had an off season like
this with missing as much time in his career either.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, let's move to the secondary.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You want to go position group or do you want
to just do secondary as a whole.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, let's start with corner. This one is actually kind
of cleared up for me lately. I think the Xaviert
Howard news and Juju Brent's back to practice. Who people
have asked me, Hey, Juju's playing in the preseason game.
Does that mean he could be a surprise cut? I
don't think so, but man, people ask him that question
is now created a little morsel of doubt in my brain.
(12:04):
I just think it's gotta Knocko off Russ and that
dude's missed more time than Richardson. Now. I do need
to remind myself, as I've tried to remind probably all
of our listeners out there, this is Loui Ana Rumo's world.
It's not Gus Bradley's world. But I think he would
like Juju's skill set. So I'm gonna keep six XAVI
and Howard Kenny Moore in Traverius Ward are your starters.
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Jalen Jones, assuming he can get back in September, Crystal Mons,
I'll view as back up Nickel, and then I'll go Juju. Brent.
I had Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted kid out of Tulane,
on the roster for a while. That is one that
I'm I'm interested. Could you keep a seventh you know,
certainly practice squad. Unfortunately for Samuel Walmack, he got hurt.
Looked like another hamstring in practice. I liked Duke Shelley
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a little bit, but again, you can only keep so
many here, So those are the six that I'm gonna keep. Okay,
safety time. Yeah, the Hunter Wooler injury just such a
bummer here, So that one was a gut punch. The
four seems rather straightforward, cam buying him, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott,
Ronnie Thomas the second. So Daniel Scott, former fifth round pick,
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been waiting for him health wise obviously has been an issue.
Trey Washington's the undrafted free agent out of Old miss
who has a little bit of a of a resume.
But you know, sometimes you keep five safeties for special teams.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But I'll go with those four. Yeah, that seems pretty
cut and dry. I would say special teams. I mean,
Spencer Strader is the starting opening day kicker, correct, Like,
I don't think there's any debate at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't think so. I mean, they haven't officially said that,
but you know, true heo. I assume we'll get a
chance tomorrow, but then it'll be it'll be Strader. So yeah,
s Trader, Luke Rhodes, and Riga Berto Sanchez. So again,
questions at running back, for sure, you know, always in
the trenches are your number off there? Linebacker keeping for
is probably idiotic. I don't see myself overwhelmingly change, but
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I will make an updated one on the website here
this weekend. If we keep an eye out for that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You ready for Tori questions, Let's do it, brother? All right,
looks like you got a response from the university. Creighton
has reached out. I'm assuming j can you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Make a blue Jay noise for us? Mark tweet tweet.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I can't do it that well. I don't even know
if that's a blue Jay. Sounds like it's probably sounded
great to me some other thing. All right, must parent
You know, as a Colts fan, this feels terrible. A
lose lose for both quarterbacks. Richardson should have started. This
has to be decision made by a coach needing wins
and not caring about the future of the position for
the Colts. Your thoughts, well, yes, I guess answered that
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last part self preservation baby, correct.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know it's uh. It kind of goes back to
us comment I probably made early in the off season.
This is a very awkward time to be a Colts fan.
We're not used to that in this market. We've been
very fortunate, frankly from a quarterback standpoint, not to have
these awkward moments. And you know, we had a listener,
Mark Paul, I think, reached out to us earlier this
week saying the Colts asked all to be patient, and
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now they're no longer practicing that patience. I think there's
a lot of validity to that. So you know, this
is no longer twenty twenty three. It's happy, go lucky,
Let's go watch our young quarterback grow or you know,
I mean that is that's gone. It's self preservation is
a great way to put it. And you know, as
morbid as this might sound, and I'm not trying to
(15:21):
make it sound like that, but someone asked me earlier
this week, if Jim Mersey was still here, would we
see Richardson as a starter. It's not that far fetched
with a thought in mind. So I don't know, it's
all just so confusing. Why was the line of scrimmage
elementary nature to Anthony Richardson acceptable in twenty twenty three
but not in twenty twenty five? You know it just
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so Yes, to answer your question, Creton, this is you know,
very largely coaches are pretty short, you know, term mindset e.
But you know, Stichen's not an idiot. He knows the
leasha isn't very long.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, and that's why the valid fan frustration over this
whole situation with the lack of patients from the organization.
When they ask the fan base to have that same patience,
it's frustrating. It's frustrating there. And then again, now you've
got a coaching staff that is trying to survive. They
would like to keep their jobs in the NFL. But
Shane Stiken also, I would like to get another head
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coaching job down the line if if this one doesn't
work out. So he's going to go with the guy
that he thinks best makes his system work, and that
apparently is Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, and I think we'll have more questions to get
into this. But yeah, stike in is he's bullish on
the ten around Jones and himself.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, all right, Kit is up next? He said, how
about the prospective of Danny Dimes as compared to Gardner Minshew,
he was one throwaway from winning the division. I know
that's a simplistic view, but I would understand why Shane
feels like he could make the playoffs, even with a
slight upgrade from Minshew, And I'm willing to bet he
makes the playoffs or you're fired or for Ballad and
Shane yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I again, this kind of gets into what I was
just saying, Like Shane is bold on the run game,
the O line, the pass catchers, and himself. Like Mark,
I would have a question if your skill group look
like this in twenty twenty three, would you have operated
in the same manner? Like their skill group is better? Right,
(17:14):
I mean Urn and Down. You know Downs is a
rookie then, and Pierce has truly emerged, and so I
do think they are better suited for a game manager
to operate it. Now, Daniel Jones's record against teams above
five hundred, I want to say, it's like seven thirty
three and one. So I still think there's a largely
(17:36):
a defined ceiling. You know that twenty three season, I
remember correctly, Mark Matt Gay makes a million field goals
to win in Week three four, and I think that's
the last time. To me, it's last time they've beaten
a notable quarterback. So you know, this year's schedule has
got I mean even week one, I mean Tua is
Tua might be the best quarterback the Colts have. If
the Colts beat Tua, he might be the best quarterback
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they've beaten since Lamar Jackson. And you know, people debate
two on a daily basis right about how good he
is in the NFL. Certainly injuries have played a role
into it. So yeah, I mean again, I understand where
Shane is coming from. He thinks I'm a great play caller.
I can scheme some stuff up. I just want someone
that can be more in control. And I think you
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know you and I talked about this on air with
James Boy and jeff Rickert earlier this week, of like,
is Daniel Jones better than Anthony Richardson or is he
just more consistent?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I think stylistically he fits what Shane Stykeen wants to
do more than what Anthony Richardson does. I always felt
like Anthony Richardson Shane Stikeen were pulling a two different
ends of the rope Stylistically, Anthony Richardson is more of
a big, tough running running back running quarterback, and Shane
Stikeen wants more of that past centric and just kind
of dink and dunk. If you need to and all
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that stuff. He wants to find a guy that can
operate his offense the way he sees fit, and I
don't think obviously he thinks that Anthony Richardson can do
that year three. So that's why he's rolling with Daniel
Jones on a one year deal.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, it's it's a lesser of two evils. And Mark,
you know, you and I hopefully will be here. Well
we will be here one day, I guess, and hopefully
it won't be as nervous as is making me right now.
But at some point you hand the keys to the
sixteen year old, and in this case you might say
Richardson sixteen and Jones is seventeen. Yeah, it's just one
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more call me and influence, you know, one more year
behind the wail. I mean that are you know? Richardson's
been in four crashes and Jones have been in three.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, one more year with the permit. Sure you go
get the light ounce. That's kind of how you feel it,
all right. This is probably one of your more popular
questions you've had. Garrett and Daner have both asked, would
you request a trade if you are in Anthony Richardson's shoes.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think it's a hair dramatic for that. You know,
you and I disagreed on this earlier this week, Mark,
I tend to think the best case scenario for Anthony
Richardson in twenty twenty five is to just sit here
with the Colts, perhaps honestly don't even play. But the
best chance for him to succeed will be somehow, some
way he plays. Jones. Jones misses games every year. Seemingly
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he plays for two weeks. It kind of looks like
the Jets and Patriots of last year, and now all
of a sudden he's a darling again. Look what happened
to Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones went away from the NFL
for three months and now he comes back. And you
would have thought Ryan Gosling had just walked in the
bow and household.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Boy madd he'd probably be excited more than would you
think more than me wearing more than eighty two Notre
Dame baseball shirt with I think of the six buttons
that were originally on it, I think only three are there.
If he can knock some stuff off the chore list
for you.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's probably where I I would side of that. Yeah,
I'd be pulling weeds in the yard very quickly. So
I think that's kind of where I'm at with Richardson.
Now you have mentioned, hey, you know, straight into the
rams and Jeohn McVay blah blah blah. I understand where
you're coming.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
From, right I'm not saying he would necessarily request a trade,
but I could see where a change of scenery would
do him well where he's kind of just treading water
right now, maybe even regressing to this point in the
Colts organization, where a change of scenery sometimes that's all
you need, is you need to get like the guys
that were on the White Sox last year, on the
worst baseball team ever, all of a sudden they go
the Brewers, and Andrew Vaughn, who couldn't hit a lick
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a is all of a sudden leading the team on
this hot streak that the Brewers have been on. Not
to go down the baseball rabbit hole. But sometimes it's
a change of scenery that all you need is you
need to get a more competent guy, or maybe a
Sean McVay that can get in his ear and say
I can fix this guy. You just need one coach
around the NFL that say I can fix him and
get him on, get him an interest.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I agree on the change of scenery part. I just
think the best time for that is probably in January. Yeah,
I mean if he already is having issues offensively here
with three years in the same system, you know, what's
three weeks going to be somewhere else? And there is
part of me And this kind of gets away from
the question a little bit more, but like, does Shane
Stiken owe it to his franchise? And honestly it's probably
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where Carley would have to step in. Does he owe
it to the franchise to say we drafted this project.
Shane Steichen, I would argue, wanted him more than anybody
in that building. You owe it to the project to
see it out and and hear me out as they
play caller and a head coach. Here's the small playbook
that Anthony Richardson knows. This is what we're working with.
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You can continue to evaluate him on availability, accuracy, the
pre snap stuff. Yeah, one day you'd love for the
menu to look like the cheesecake factory, But right now
we're living in I shouldn't say cracker Barrow. We're living
in steak and shakes world, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You're living in You're living in in and out Burger
where it's literally burgers and fries.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Perfect. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We are living in there, and so five menu choices
you get nothing else?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Do you do? You go that path again. Maybe it's
not the best case to open up the whole playbook
and all of that versus a band aid. I can
hear people on both sides of it. I think largely
our listeners know where I am. I'm always one eye
towards the future. So yes, I would say, you do,
But clearly that's not happened.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
All right, Jamie's up next, Daniel Jones plays lights out
and Colts decide to give him a contract just paid
Bernard Ryman. Almost all your defensive end depth is do
new contracts. One positive, ap stock is down. I assume
that means.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ar well, Alex Pierce Pierce.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm sorry, ap stock is down, and Colts may get
him on the cheap boy. They ain't getting Pierce in
the cheap I mean, yes, But if you're a Pierce's agent,
you just tell teams, Hey, have you seen the twenty
twenty four film when my client led the league in.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yards per catch Boyd. But the large premise here, that's danger.
I mean, what if twenty twenty two Giants happens all
over again. Daniel Jones looks good? God, are you giving
him the notable deal? Because you know, again we touched
on this this week on the show Mark the weird
thing with the Jones situation versus Richardson, you owe financial
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answers quicker to Jones than you Richardson. Again, Jones is
on a one year deal as a free agent, will
be a free agent twenty twenty six. Richardson is under
control for next year at a reasonable number. The question
with Richardson is do you pick up the fifth year
option for twenty twenty seven. You must make that decision
by next spring. So let's just play this out. If
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you say no to that fifth year option, which right
now clearly is trenched, why would you say yes in
that direction? You then have him for one more year,
finishing out his rookie contract before free agency. Whereas with
Jones right here, right now, you have got to make
that decision after the season. And if Daniel Jones looks
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like he did in twenty twenty two, are you giving
him three years in sixty million.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, unless he wins the MVP of the league. I
don't think I'm giving him a contract extension at all.
That's just me. But I think at this point you
need to rip the band aid off, stop again with
these veteran quarterback plugs and just draft a quarterback with
a comp GM and new head coach. If that's the
way they end up going with when this is all
said and done this season, you get in the twenty
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twenty sixth draft, you draft a young guy and you
actually develop him. You give him time. You don't have
to throw him out there on Week one. Let him
develop with a competent coaching staff and everything like that.
That's the way I would go because you're not winning
anything with Daniel Jones in the long term. We can
go through the laundry list of who's won the AFC
South last couple of years and the brock Os, Wilers
and this and that. I think most fans are thinking
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and hoping that Daniel Jones is a one year solution
and that's it, and then you rip the band aid
off and you start a knew once again with the
quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't know where you fall on that, but I
must he's winning the MVP. Why would you bring him
back again?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What did Belichick say about Cincinnati or on a Cincinnati
honnest Cincinnati, we're on a twenty twenty six mock draft.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, yeah, I was already looking at that earlier this week. Unfortunately,
Field twin Drew Aller Drew Aller from Penn State Babby.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
With the eleventh pick. Uh huh yeah? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
All right, Travis. My only thoughts on this, Kevin is
the new This was never truly a competition. Was the
writing already on the wall when they signed Daniel Jones?
Now we kicked this can down the road another year.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Boy, it's a great question. And I honestly pupooed the
fourteen million like people were like, Hey, that to me
tells me something. I kind of swept that under the rug.
Maybe I should have been a little bit more addressing that.
To me, that was kind of just the price of
doing business. And I know he turned down more from Minnesota,
So you know, if Daniel Jones would have taken the
Minnesota money, who the hell is your starter now? Is
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it Richardson or is it you know, Jamus or somebody.
So yeah, I think there's some merit. You know, a
couple other things. I do think Richardson missing those seven
of nine practices in the spring, as decimating as it
was to him, I think it also allowed the staff
to further fall in love with Jones. You can watch
Jones in a practice. I mean I've watched him in
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a lot, and yeah, you know, I think this week,
I think he's throwing a pick. Maybe I think he's
had one pick each each day. But he's also had
ten eleven twelve throws where it's like boom, their instride,
good ball placement. You can see why they would favor
that from a consistency standpoint. Honestly, the question I would
have is if Shane Stikeen wasn't in the NFC East
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in twenty twenty two, would we'd be talking about this?
I mean, Shane Sticken, that man who says nothing in
a press conference. That man brought out the franchise record
for the New York Giants completion percentage on Tuesday. I'm like, damn,
I don't know what I was stunned it was only
sixty seven percent. Probably shows you where the New York
Giants have been as a quarterback franchise, So he went
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deep on the pro football focused number he did. He
bust not the analytics and everything. Listen to that talking point,
but hear me out, Mark, he's in that division in
twenty twenty two. He's prepping his Eagles offense each week,
so he sees a lot of Daniel Jones in film study.
When Jones goes three and thirteen as a starter in
twenty three and twenty four, he's here. He's not watching
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Jones to the level that he watched him in twenty
twenty two. Where injuries have happened since then, you know again,
it's like you get further away from the player. It's
Carson Wentzon Philly sort of thing, like you know, okay, Frank,
I get that, but a lot's happened since then, So interesting.
That is the thought.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Matt up next. I'm sort of happy with the decision
to start Daniel Jones. What do you say to Colts
fans like me who have already kind of checked out
on Anthony Richardson. It's not that we don't see the upside.
He's already shown he can play winning football, even with
some accuracy concerns. I mainly come down to health. Even
if he puts it all together, it still feels like
it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again,
and going forward will be living with that constant concern
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every single season.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Sure availability, yep, I totally hear you out and now
again Richard Jones's struggle with some availability at at times.
But you know, Jones, my win total for the Colts
won't change very much honestly when we get to that time,
and the hell we're almost there. I do think they
can still be a fine football team without or with Jones.
I should say again, I think our skill group is
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much more equipped to playing this sort of football. But
I do think there is a defined ceiling with it.
So to me, it's you're always striving to find that
next guy. How do you find that? That's where it
is for me. But you know, I understand there is
a section of the fan base mark that's just done
with Richardson. But again I can totally hear you out
(29:18):
on that. The thing is, if you're done with Richardson,
I don't know. I mean, Jones to me is just
he's kind of similar to you know, everybody else. So
that's where I think it is frustrating, but living in
the here and now, yeah, I don't think. You know,
(29:39):
I'd be stunned if the culture drafting top five, I'd
be stunned if they're drafting I'd be stunned to they
drafting top ten. Really, Okay, I don't. I mean again,
Vegas has it a seven and a half, and I
think that's a perfectly fine number. Maybe even I'll probably
go a hair higher than that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I could. I could see them going
top ten. And that's just because I think this is
going to snowball at some point and the locker room
is going to start getting a little chirpy, and I could.
I have a feeling this could be a season that
we've similar seen when we had Jeff Saturday as head
coach at some point. I don't know if I can
get that level of blank show, but I could see
where if something starts going south, that rocker room starts
(30:19):
fracturing a little bit, Maybe the veterans start chirping up
a little more, guys start getting unhappy, and boy, jeez, man,
I know I would hate for that to be the situation,
but I also can visualize that happening and we see
the entire front off is blown out head coaching staff
and we're just starting all on new in twenty twenty six,
so we'll see. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but boy it could.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Max.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What are the fantasy implications of Daniel Jones at quarterback?
Who have been his favorite targets at camp? Boy, you're
targeting Daniel Jones in your draft, you really must be
in like a thirty team league.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Now you and I are in a league together, uh
huh uh, So don't listen to me right now. I
would draft Tyler Warren very high. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I would say there are two cults that I would
have on my draft board, and that would be Jonathan
Taylor and to be Tyler Warren. And after that, I mean,
I'm taking a flyer and they're probably sitting on the
bench main majority of the season. When it comes to
wide receivers, you.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Know, Jones had some good times in New York with
some of the downs type of guys, some of the
slot guys. So again PPR leagues, you know, could you
live off of, you know, kind of a solid day
from downs here and there. Yeah, definitely. But I think Warren,
I think he's gonna catch it a lot. I think
he's gonna be using the red zone a lot. I
think they're gonna use his legs. I think it might
(31:29):
even use his arm. We saw to Penn state the
deep ball is curious to me? How much does this
hurt Pierce? And that's why I think makes Piers one
of the more fascinating fantasy players. It's like he barely
catches the ball, but if he has two for sixty
five in a touchdown, you're gonna take that. Yeah, So
you just hope that he catches one of them and
doesn't get you know, forty yard pass interference with the
(31:51):
team still benefits from it, but you don't.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I feel like every wide receiver on the Colts is
gonna be one of those guys you have on the
bench that you only play when one of your guys
has a bye week because it's gonna be so hit
miss with the quarterback situation and just the receptions. How
many looks are they going to get per game. That's
why Tyler Warren and Jonathan Taylor those would be the
only two cults I circle on draft boards. That's the
entire time. That's fair, all right, Craig says, if according
to Carly, the goal is to be the best, then
(32:14):
when does she believe Daniel Jones is the answer? Knowing
what you know about Carly, do you think she steps
in at any point this season on the QB situation?
What is your over under on Daniel Jones starts?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Boy, Well, Daniel Jones's career would indicate he's not starting
seventeen games. You know, he's probably I don't know, fourteen gamer.
So I mean, we're gonna see Anthony richardson, right, I mean,
I think so so obviously that will will cross that
bridge whenever that happens, you know, certainly. Right now with
Carly we know little, but I do think this is
(32:47):
a really great overall point. It's you know, she is
a very very much. We've got to strive to be
the best, be the best, be the best. Okay to
me when I hear that be the best is sustained greatness. Yeah,
it's multiple year runs, it's keeping the window open. It's
what Baltimore has right now. It's what Buffalo has right now.
(33:09):
It's what Kansas City has right now. You know, it's
what Houston seemingly has had, and I guess could have
with the CJ.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Stroud air, it's competing for division titles annually.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Correct, yes, plural annually exactly, and so to do that
you cannot band aids. And there is part of me
that kind of goes back to the combine mark when
we had Chris Boward on our show and you know,
I asked Ballard, why are you getting the ninth year?
And the answer had very little to do with anything
(33:41):
on his resume in that he was getting the ninth year.
But it really came back to the thought process organizationally,
with Jim Mersey clearly signing off on this when they
drafted Richardson. I mean, he's telling people to combine, like
we don't have to win, like we were going to
have this window. We can be patient in this window.
(34:02):
And so we're gonna draft Richardson, We're gonna hire the
first year head coach, and now indirectly, we're gonna create
a new life for me as a GM Well seemingly
it's another life with Daniel Jones, like it's now a
new and I get it, like Harley's not gonna obviously
fire someone two weeks before the start of the season,
but it is just kind of odd how he cans
(34:25):
back to the Jim Mercy thing, like you ran it back
with this group, I assume, thinking Anthony Richardson, you didn't
run it back with this group, saying you guys deserve
another quarterback chance, especially ballot. Yeah, so Ben says, why
the f is Daniel Jones in the building before Anthony
richards In most days, I'm getting this from Warren's comments.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Maybe he just doesn't get it and never will.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah. I don't know if Tyler Warren inferred exactly that,
but I just think largely the last part he doesn't
get it and never will. I think that's sadly well
said of a guy that is naive. Yeah, it doesn't
(35:12):
get I mean, you know, just didn't grow up and
you know whatever. Daniel Jones maybe grew up in a
different quarterback climate, and then he was drafted to a
team that had Eli Manning. And this gets into it
when you're laying the pie out and you're putting blame
on the pie. Certainly Richardson is a big chunk of it,
without question, But to me, the biggest chunk is probably
(35:34):
the misevaluation, the misevaluation of how naive he truly was.
How much hand holding was going to be needed, and
then off of that the plan that needed to be
in place to follow that, Like you needed to hold
the hand big time. You know, Mark, you can speak
to with three young children. You know, if all three
(35:55):
of you acrossing the road, there's probably one of them
that you feel like he had to hold a hand
more than the other one to literally do.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That the last two days at school because someone would
try to take off in the parking lot and what
were we doing here and then over here?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think the analogy makes a little bit of sense,
Like you have to treat your prize franchise possession like that. Yeah,
at some point you're gonna have to let go of
the hand. But you don't draft the biggest project, arguably
in the NFL history, for a first round pick and
not hold the hand. We don't need to play the
big old NFL macho game of oh no, he's got
to learn the hard way. No, you have to do
(36:29):
everything you can in these early years, have the James
Johnson James Johnson type pacers influence inside that quarterback room.
Gardner Minshew is a sixth round pick. Wanted no part
of that. I don't blame Gardner, Joe Flacco, he wanted
no part of that emphasis on no, and Daniel Jones
is trying to revive his career, like where's the Matt hasseback?
You know, where was that aspect to it? I mean
(36:51):
you felt like Andrew Luck needed that. So, yes, Anthony
Rigdon deserves blame. Definitely at some point you would like
to think it would fall into him. But you know, again,
I've told the story before. I watched that documentary I
forget which streaming service is on, where they followed Bryce Young,
Anthony and some other high school quarterback around. I mean
(37:12):
it was jarring to see Anthony's high school football program
compared to Bryce Young's, for example. I mean it was
light years away from the difference in that. And then
you know obviously the college scene. Bryce Young, you know,
plays at a high level and starts for multiple years
and all of that, and Anthony didn't do that. So
(37:33):
COVID year if you throw that in there as well.
So again there's blame to go around. I've called it
organizational failure. Richardson has included in that, but I would
say the misevaluation is probably the biggest thing.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So in the classroom and everything like that. Last year,
like Cale Williams was a rookie, the only other quarterback
he had to rely on in there was Tyson Baging,
another young guy. There's reports from last season that the
Everflues coaching staff was obviously a shit show and whatnot.
But he even said, like, no one was teaching me
how to play quarterback, how to read offenses, all that stuff.
That's why this season they brought in a case Keenum,
(38:06):
a guy who's already been out of the league for
a little bit but came back. But he's a veteran.
He knows he's not competing for a starting job, but
they brought him in and he's kind of gotten. You know,
this is how you study the playbook, that's how you
break down film, that's how you read defenses, this and that,
and that's something that Anthony Richardson never got over these
last three years. So it's one of those things where
it's like, yeah, you're bringing guys in, but you're also
bringing these veteran guys in with the chance to compete.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
You need to bring in.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
A guy that is probably in the shadow of his
career that probably you're going to be playing back up.
There's not a chance that you're going to play QB
one at any point. He never had that. He never
learned how to break down film, he never learned how
to read defenses or anything like that. He was going
in blind.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And maybe that's on Shane Stikeen the coaching staff not
helping him along, but that's also in the organization. We're
not giving him competent veterans to help him through the
whole process of adjusting from college of the NFL. I
think that's really well set. At some point you have
to take the training wheels off. At some point, the
leash comes off. At some point, you know, again, you
stop the handholding. I get all of that, but you've
(39:04):
got to put all that stuff on to start. And honestly,
I think the financial makeup of quarterbacks in the NFL
play into this as well. Like before you give them
the big money, you've got that four year period to
evaluate to try and get them to where they've earned that.
You make sure you give them all the resources available
to help them out, and then at some point you
(39:26):
hope the quarterback covers up whatever weakness here, weakness there,
and they're making that sort of money, all.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right, last one of the Twitter questions comes from z Palm.
This one is a little dated only because it starts
out with even the QB starter potentially being named. Do
you think the veteran players have a say in the
decision making? Think big guys like DeForest Buckner, Quentin Nelson,
Kenny Moore, Michael Pittman, Zaire Franklin, DJ Mont, Dya, DJ
or Ar. I remember Zaire and some company opening openly
(39:53):
mocking Daniel Jones on their podcast. Hard to imagine that
group would then vouch for DJ to lead the team.
I hope it's not DJ. I feel Nausius already. Well,
I'm curious how many buckets he filled in last week?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Gosh, I forgot. Remember Ziah Franklin saying he wanted to
play Daniel Jones uh huh on the podcast? Yeah, now
he's the quarterback that he is. You fast. I could
see the locker room being pretty split on this. Yeah,
I don't disagree at all. Like Mark, you play offense
for the Colts. You're out there on the field during
that Ravens play and you're like, wait a minute, all
(40:25):
ten of us were on the same page, and yeah,
you got sacked. But then you're on the offense during
the Green Bay play and you're the left tackle that
got absolutely whipped on the play, and he then completed
some thirty yard ball to Anthony Gould and you're like, oh,
thank you, Anthony, let me help you up from that.
Like I could see it going both ways. And you know,
Quentin Nelson obviously expressed some frustration about it earlier this week,
(40:47):
and you know, again he's been part of it for
now eight years. So yeah, I'd be very curious what
the locker room answer would be on that. I do
think several players, the air being one of them, Michael
Pittman being one of them, even a little bit of Buckner.
I mean, I feel like they've kind of gone to
above and beyond to describe whatever their support for Richardson
and all of that. I don't think they necessarily need
(41:10):
to do that. But then you know, if you're some
of these pass catchers is there. You know, Pierce might
not fall into this category, but maybe some of the
others that say, hey, I'm I'm in where I'm supposed
to be. I made the end cut at eight yards,
give me the ball, not airmail me. So yeah, I
think they could be split as well.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I also noticed in those comments too that the veteran
guys who've been through numerous quarterback changes wanted to stick
with Anthony Richardson because he's been around and in the organization.
I think they just wanted some stability, and the younger
guys who don't know any better, like, yeah, we can
roll with Daniel Jones because they don't know any better
because they haven't they haven't gone through the quarterback carousel
(41:49):
that the veterans have, So I can see the locker
room being split from I've been in the league for
a few years to guys who are just coming into
the league like, yeah, this is our first goal around too,
so sure, roll with the guy that we think is
gonna win. And the veterans like, not this again. We
can't be doing this again because I feel for guys
like Quittin Nelson into Forrest Buckner that deserve better and
probably would like to be going elsewhere to get some
stability there.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
No, I think that's a very very good point. That
is the voice of Mark Dyketon. I am Kevin Bowen.
This is Colts Corner with myself and Mark. I guess
preving the weekend again preseason finale coming up tomorrow. That'd
be Saturday afternoon in Sincy and then Tuesday by four
o'clock roster cuts do Chris Boward will meet the media
and what will be or typically is his last press
(42:29):
conference of the season. That'll be Wednesday, Recap and roster cuts.
Usually waiver claims are processed by that time as well. Mark,
great work, Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you for
the donut as well. Yes, I would say delicious. I
would say good luck to your cubs, but I don't
really really mean that's unnecessary. Yeah, that'd be like the casual, like,
hey man, can't wait to hang out again. It's like, well,
(42:50):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I'd rather dig into portapot now he is, Mark Dyketon up,
Kevin bow and thank you for listening to Colts Corner,
and we'll be back next week, probably Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
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