November 3, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're back another edition of Kevin's Corner. Kevin's Corner that
was the old name of Colt's Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen,
Eddie Garrison. I guess I fumbled that like the Colts
turn it over.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Stop rewind and do that over KB.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We are back. It is Colt's Corner with myself Kevin
Bowen recapping a Monday pod Eddie Garrison that we have
not had to do many times at all here this season.
Colts lose twenty seven to twenty yesterday in Pittsburgh, now
seven to two in the season. They will be in
Berlin coming up, not traveling till Thursday night. They'll do
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the melowtonin eight o'clock flight thing coming up on Thursday.
I think that's kind of how teams have shifted the
international thought there. If keep the week as normal as possible,
walk through it up on a Friday, and then go
and play the game, and then it's time for the
bye week, I would say a little, I don't know,
healthy tension would be the way I would describe this
week after yesterday's performance, that we probably could simply boil
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down to six turnovers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
YEP, that's about where you know, you lose the game out.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think we should just stop the pod right there.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thanks for listening. To be back on Wednesday, hopefully talking
about a Colt strain.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, man, let's go get some bearss call today.
You know, there's so much of yesterday that you would
have told me. I would have said Colts route obviously
outgained them by more than I think it was one
hundred and forty yards. You're five of five on fourth down.
I mean, how many times do you see that for
a team? DK Metcalf two catches for six yards, Jalen
Warren under two yards per carry, and yet everything changes
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on TJ. Watt'strip sack. And I'll say that probably five
different times in this podcast. But Eddie, you know me,
you know I believe in game flow everything changed on
that play by Watt. Everything you had had, the thirteen
play touchdown drive, you had recovered with the sudden change
stop after the Josh Downs muff punt. Pittsburgh at that
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point had ran ten offensive plays with zero first downs,
and you had kind of started to break them a
little bit with the fake punt. And I think if
you turn that fake punt into ten nothing, especially fourteen
to nothing, it might have been over. I know it's
a big statement to make, and I know the rest
of the game unfolded in the manner that it did,
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But I think Pittsburgh was teetering, and I think that
atmosphere would have been teetering. And when what makes the
play that will have him in Canton, Ohio one day,
the whole game just avalanched really from there in the
opposite direction. I never felt like Daniel Jones is comfortable
the rest of the game. And if you want to
lay the root of the loss at one position group
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I labeled at the offensive line. And I say that
not only from a past protection standpoint, but also a
run game standpoint. So a lot to get to on
today's pot, but just overall, Eddie wanted to start there.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Let's dive into what you did not like, because this
is the one more. Yeah, a couple of stats to
throw at you. Two and twenty three. Now, the Colts
as a franchise, when they have six turnovers, do you
recall and how old are.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You, Eddie?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Forty seven, so you're still fairly young.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Do you recall a Sunday night football game in two
thousand and seven Colts Chargers when Peyton Manning through six interceptions.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I might have been in the infancy of my Colts fandom,
but I kind of slightly remember it.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Adam Vini Terry missed a twenty nine yard field goal
that likely would have won the game for the Colts.
They actually got it back one more time, Manning through
a sixth iron t That's the last time they've had
six turnovers. I looked it up since two thousand the
entire NFL five ninety two and one NFL teams are
when they commit six turnovers. I'm actually shocked they've won
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five games. That there's five wins in there, So you know,
I think Big Pictures is kind of where I'm at
before we get into what I didn't like, what I liked.
When you're seven to one, you've earned benefit of the
doubt you've created that for your team. One game does
not define you. Honestly, the Cults are probably due for
a little bit of you know, fumble luck going against
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their way. Yeah, the tip pass the other team picks
off this time, boy, a lot of balls picked bad
at the line of scrimmage. I thought from Daniel Jones.
But I will say this, these types of teams, these
types of atmospheres, you're probably more likely to see now
moving forward. I mean, once you get through Germany. Look
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at the first few games after the bye week at
Kansas City, homb to Houston, at Jacksonville, at Seattle again,
these types of you know, have we seen Jacksonville's front
get after the Colts before? No? Did you see Seattle's
front last night? Did Jane Daniels? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Boy? So, I mean hopefully okay.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Right, And I didn't mean it, you know, from an
injury standpoint, but I mean he was getting hit. He
actually had Matty Bowen saying I feel bad for him.
He was getting hit so much there. So I think
I'm right here, Eddie. And not every team has his blueprint,
but when you you have face, let's call the Rams
this team, let's call the Broncos this team, what's called
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the Chargers this team, and probably the Steelers. Those are
the four playoff teams you face. So far. You controlled
the Chargers game, the Steelers controlled you. Okay, let's put
those tough to the side. Rams coin flip either way,
Broncos coin flip either way. You know, those four games
you know easily could have gone. Yeah, obviously you're two
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and two in them.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Again, these are the types of teams and the types
of atmospheres, yesterday being the first I think true road
atmosphere you face that you're gonna see, so you know
when you're facing teams that you know can get home
with four five, commit to the run, take away the
first and second reads easier said than done on the
road against a veteran quarterback that's protecting the football, how
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do you handle it? Those I think are some of
the questions facing the coltier moving forward, but I largely
chalk it up to six Sturno overs is pretty fluky.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Let's start with what you did not like. Since it
was a loss, we can't start with what you did like.
Starting up front with the offensive line, KB, they just
felt like they were in mud the entire game. They
didn't really get much push up front, especially early in
the run game, and then in the past game they
just couldn't give Daniel Jones enough time really to get
the ball downfield.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm glad you started with mentioning the push in the
run game. That's where I'm gonna boil it down to Eddie,
I heard a lot of the hey, you know, they
didn't commit to Taylor enough, blah blah blah. I would
disagree with that. I think they largely did what they've done.
It is a throw to score, run to win. Taylor
had eight carries in the first half, as long carry
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was six yards. He had six carries in the third quarter.
The game is still very much you know, back and
forth of that point. Six carries and one quarter is
a good amount, and you extra play that out to
a whole game. It was twenty four carries. He had
a long run of nine in the third quarter. So
to me, it was the worst the offensive line is
played all year, and I think it was disappointed about
the overall units performance. Eddie is it was a healthy group.
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You know, you had your eleven starters healthy. Pittsburgh is
trading for Kyle Dugram midweek and then he's starting in
the game. They're moving Jalen Ramsey to safety. Yeah, they
were kind of in shambles defensively. So I just think
so much of the root of yesterday, the turnovers, the
play of Daniel Jones, you know, Jonathan Taylor's quiet day,
So much of that points back to the offensive line,
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and again I'll go back to the Watt play. I
mean that play just changed the game. I felt like
a lot of Pittsburgh's play making to Eddie occurred in
good down and distance situations for the Colts, which was
kind of odd, Like the first and ten was where
Watt made the play. I want to say the Peyton
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Wilson tip to Jack Sawyer was a second and one.
I believe the Peyton Wilson interception was a second and
very manageable. I think one of the high Smith plays
was a first and tent as we like, you know,
to me, a recipe for disaster against a team like
this is you know, into the third and longs. But
like those really weren't the times that Pittsburgh feasted on them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I think that just kind of adds to it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I think one thing when you're looking at it from
the offensive line, that the Jonathan Taylor perspective is that
I felt like they never really even when they did
try to run with them, it felt like most of
them were were out of shotgun and not a lot
of underneath center action. And then number two to kind
of play off of that there was it didn't feel
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like they tapped into the play action as much as
they had in the previous weeks, and I felt like
that potentially hurt them.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think some of the subtle play actions turned into
some of those deep drops for Jones, and those are sacks.
You know, if you look at the Watt play like,
I'm going to focus a lot on it, who's the
fault there?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Which pop play? Are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The strip in the second quarter?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
See, I thought there was a there was a lane
for Jones to step up. I didn't think his pocket
presence was there at all yesterday. Yeah, I would agree
on that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I thought he and I think Pierce starting the game
in the fashion that Pierce did probably had Daniel Jones
that can shot there. And I think when you play
rushers like Watt, you have to be so conscious of
when he's single teams, and when he's single teamed, you
better be damn sure that you got two hands on
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the football there. Yeah, if you're gonna take a shot,
because JJ Watt, ironically, they're a really nice job breaking
it down and Tyler Warren is very open in the
flat there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now it's a little bit of a checkdown, but it's
it would be second and three at that point, And
that to me is where if you're going to take
the shots against the Watts, against the Crossbs, et cetera,
et cetera. Hell, you might see Pittsburgh in the wildcard
round in the playoffs. You know that that's got to
be a chip. And you know, sometimes I'm third and thirteen,
maybe you can't chip because you need to deploy guys
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out on a route tree and whatever you're down seven,
But first and ten, I think there's an opportunity to
do that, especially when you had dominated. Really that dominated
is the strong work. You had really controlled so much
of that game to that point. Really, the josh Awn's
muff was the only issue. You had broken their back
with the sudden change defense. You had gone with a
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fake punt already again, you're about to be up ten
or fourteen, nothing there. So yeah, would you love to
see Braden Smith hold up on on one. Sure, But
you know there are some other avenues I think on
that play specifically that you know could have been different.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Boy, I didn't realize Peyton Wilson had fourteen tackles, a
half a sack, two passes defense and a pick.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And you know what credit for him on the pick.
You know, I think something that Daniel Jones has got
to watch moving forward is I'm curious if teams, and
I think some teams have tried this, but Pittsburgh had
a lot of success with it. Do you live with
some of the Jones intermediate throws knowing he's gonna hit
some They wean a.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Ton of split safety yesterday. I don't know if you
saw this. It was the most they had run in
any game this year. It was like eighty four percent of.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The time or something interesting and again a corner and
Ramsey playing a lot of that safe but at times too,
they also, I thought, did a great job of kind
of suffocating that very I guess first level throws maybe
it would be the better way to describe it. But they
were very competitive at the point of attack. I thought
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in some of those moments of truce, much more so
than I remember from other teams. Josh downs maybe not
as open as we're used to. You know, Warren has
five catches for twenty six yards. Is there any sort
of blueprint, which again is so much easier said than done,
of commit a ton to the run game when they
do throw, we're going to try and just absolutely handcuff
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that first level because that is a lot of the
checkdowns and if you look at the downs enters or
the interception he's trying to throw to the downs. That
was a very hey first read not there second read. Boom,
I think I've got downs Wilson. Jonathan Taylor hadn't gotten
out on his outree or out on his rout tree enough,
and you know, Wilson makes that play.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I want to correct myself, KB. It was eighty four
percent of the snapscher Ramsey at safety yesterday. Split safety
utilization per next Gen Stats was forty six point four
percent of the dropbacks for the Colts, out as the
most this season for the Pittsburgh Steelers defense. Uh, they
had entered the week with the second lowest split safety
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usage in the NFL at twenty eight point two percent
per dropback.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So Lil wrinkle a team that we're not used to
doing a lot of that. So, you know, again, these
are some of the cool you know, Steve Spagnola coming up,
like McDonald coming up again, Jacksonville's rush. I mean, they
still got some of those guys there that have been
there for the past couple of those games.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Hein j Allen had a solid game yesterday, you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Know, Jacksonville. I don't know if people watch the end
of that game, that was a huge two point version.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh yeah, I mean they're a game back in the
Lost Calm.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, as wild as that sounds, they are
a game back in the Lost Calm. Now, I'm not
holding my breath that they're going to stay there, but
standings wise, they are right there.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Something else I like the here in terms of what
we did not like unless you have more to add
on the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, we can. Well, I mean I guess just Jones
in general. You know, again, when when you when you
can kind of muddy some things and put a little
bit more on his plate, what happens? Yeah, I think
that's just kind of a bigger picture question. Again, this
is all about tiering quarterbacks. You know, Jones has been
so good for so much of the season, but you know,
getting to those other tiers you kind of have to check,
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you know, multiple boxes. There, so just things to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And it was something that you and I both talked
about on the pod and Wednesday. It was like, on paper,
this defense should be playing a lot better than what
it had been playing statistically going into the game yesterday
on Sunday, but it just felt like they kind of
quote unquote got back to the basics a little bit
yesterdays what Pittsburgh did, and that resulted in them playing
like this, playing like the defense that you know people
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are accustomed to seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
My brain is fraud. What else did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I didn't like nothing else in terms of what you
put on. There something I wanted to throw in because
this is something that I think it is worth monitoring
going forward. Just when you look at the upcoming schedule,
I think tight ends posing tight ends are starting to
have their way a little bit with the Colts, and
it's something that we haven't necessarily talked about as much.
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You look at Darnell Washington for for forty three, Pat
Fryarmouth three for twenty seven and a touchdown, John new
Smith three for twenty five, and then if you go
back to even just most recently with you know, Los Angeles,
Gatson had over one hundred yards, Trey McBride had a
really solid game if it weren't for Vegas not having
Michael Mayer or Brock Bauers, who we don't really know
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what those numbers look like Denver and Miami don't really
in Tennessee and Los Angeles to the at that point
of the year when you faced all those teams hadn't
really utilized their tight end a ton.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, definitely some good points. So yeah, I think a
lot of it again gets back to kind of what
I know. Definitely said the last week's podcast of one thing.
You know, someone asked me last week, have the Colts
passed all the tests? And my response was, so far,
they've passed all the tests presented in front of them,
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but some new tests do exist, different tests, and again
five of your next six are away from home. Just
a little bit more of that. So that's the beauty
of the NFL season, how it evolves and how it
continually tests you. So I fully expect the Cols to
respond quite well. Atlanta did get after the quarterback I
think Matt not Judahn, what's his name, Leondard Floyd, I
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didn't think got hurt and their went over Newing or
in their loss to Patriots, they did have six sacks
of Drake.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
May and I brought up the tight end just because
you have Kyle Pitts coming up this weekend for the
Falcons after the bye week. Travis Kelcey Dalton Schultz is
still a solid tight end for the Houston Texans. Jacksonville
to be interesting to see what their tight end status
looks like. I forget their starter that's currently hurt. And
then Seattle they use Elijah Royo and former IU and
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Michigan Wolverine tight end what's his first name, Barner? J Barner,
thank you, and then George Kittle obviously Jacksonill and Houston
around out the year. So I just thought it was
worth monitoring anything else in this category you want, you
want to add before we shift into what you did, like,
let me just.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Throw out a quick comment on on on Jones again.
I I nothing to me to too alarming there. It
just seemed to be some route confused confusion late in
the game. I mean, at that point, you know, it's
just a recipe for disaster, you know. I I thought
he actually made some big time throws early in that game,
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the third and eleven. I thought it was a beautiful
throw in that opening drive to the nurse there. But
you know how he responds, I don't. I think the
root of all the issues yesterday, offensively was the line
but you know, how does he kind of handle it?
Because again, I just felt like a little bit uneasiness.
You know, he had the fumble that they recovered at
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one point, Eddie, I thought he kind of bailed on
that pocket a little early. Again, you take away the
first ticket away the second read, the pocket starts to
collapse a little bit, and like he had Pittman second
level throw. Yeah, just like, Okay, dude, though, how much
can he get through the full progression? I think will
be something I'll be curious about moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let's shift to what you did. Like, let's start with
the two wideouts for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
They were one of six teams going into Sunday that
didn't have a one hundred yard receiver. They exit Sunday
now with two receivers over one hundred yards. Alex Prais
was a fantastic yesterday, six catches, one hundred and fifteen yards.
Michael Pittman Junior doing Michael Pittman Junior things nine catches
one hundred and fifteen yards as well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, Pierce really really good. You know, especially early on
in that game, Eddie, the variety of routes he's continually
going to get paid a lot of money by somebody
here coming up next offseason. And I thought Michael Pittman
Junior's toughness. You know, he took the big hit from
Ramsey there late. You know, I thought a very nice
day from both of them. You know, again, they did
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a good job taking away Warren limiting downs as well.
But I thought Peerre and Pittman, you know, had some
really nice catches. And you know, the Colts kind of
always flirted with the hey we're an on side kick
away and those guys were obviously big, big parts of it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah. And then defensively, I thought the two big players
that he had to monitor, Jalen Warren, DK Metcalf, they
were never really involved for the Steelers. Jalen Warren sixteen
carries thirty one yards, he does find the end zone twice.
And then DK Metcalf two catches on six targets for
six yards.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, and shout out to Jalen Jones, Eddie. I think
that is a very encouraging sign that Jalen Jones not
only played yesterday, he played the most snaps of any
Colts quartern back. They asked him to do a lot
of DK metcalf stuff, and I know there's some cloud
covers that obviously helped the Colts too, but they were
able to limit him to the level that they did.
I know he had the turnover or he had the
penalty there late first half. But still I've I view
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corner in that that is a position where I mean,
it's possible when you've paced Kansas City after the bye
Eddie m hm, you have Tavarious Ward, Kenny Moore and
Jalen Jones. Is you're starting three corners.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, that makes sleep bow better at night, does it not?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Does that mean there's not gonna be a trade at
the deadline then?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well again, this is why I've on more team edge
rusher than i am team cornerback.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
As we sit here right now, Jalen Phillips has been
traded from the Eagles to the.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Dolphins and Cray if I'm wrong, third round pick.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Or sorry from the Dolphins of the Eagles, right and
you know, Jalen Phillips walks in free agency. His compick
will probably not be a third rounder, but they'll.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Probably close to that maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So I mean that's a deal that I think makes
a lot of sense. I know, he's been banged up
in his career, but still when he's been healthy, he's
definitely had some nice production for him.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So reunited with Vic Vangio. Good point. Good point.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I think yesterday was kind of a reminder of
you need more juice. JT to Umolowow. His numbers came
down yesterday, Eddie. He was about fifty percent of the
STAPs last week, only eleven snaps for him. They played
quity paying a lot to us on yesterday. So to me,
you've gotten a couple of in house cornerback reinforcements.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't view defensive end in that light at all. Right,
I don't think Taekwon, Lewis and Sampson have ACoM all
of a sudden cheer all in their returns there. So
that is the position that I would continue to explore,
and I do think the Colts are definitely looking at it.
It's just you know, Deadline's peraction and.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Right? And I tend to think you haven't had too
many opportunities to squeeze the juice. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, to kind of round things out here and what
you liked, how about lie out two lotso yesterday KB
two and a half sacks, three quarterback hits second round
the team in tackles.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
With inside rush for one of those sacks there, And
let's mention Kenny Moore. You know when they had the
muff punt, that sudden change what he was able to
do and blowing up what was it the Jets sweep?
I think it was the metcalf at the end around
he did and then the uh darnel he's giving up
one hundred bounds and more than one hundred probably probably
a foot or close to a foot there, uh to
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make that play. And then he had the big punch
out you know late as well.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So yeah, anything else you went out of what you liked,
you're ready for Twitter questions.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I think that covers anything I should have mentioned. Michael,
Michael Badgley. Just a couple outdoor kicks, yeah, fifteen y.
You know they didn't clear by much, not the prettiest
looking things, but still as.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Long as they go between the uprights. kV.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We don't care as well as he three of nine
in his career something like that from fifty, so you
know he'll have more outdoor opportunities here moving forward with him.
There are couple of extra points that that, you know,
give me a little bit of nervous energy, to be
honest with you. But still he's been pretty solid so
far outside of that one missed extra point.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Handful of Twitter questions to get too. We will start
with Chris the Shane Stiken realize that they can run
the ball to the outside. Every run doesn't need to
be up the middle. They could have at least ran
some stretch plays and that offensive line got beat down.
I've always said Brandon Smith struggles against speed rushers, and
I saw no difference against TJ. Watt and Kevin for
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the most part. Prior to yesterday, the Colts had done
a solid job on TJ. Watt, and yesterday was a
different story.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, he also had a couple of plays I thought
outside of that, if I remember correctly a couple of
years ago, Eddie, I remember what like making them play
early in the game and then super quiet the rest
of the way. I just I felt like you felt, frankly, TJ.
Watt and Alex Highsmith probably the most in the matchups.
I thought he really got the best of Ryman. Obviously,
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shouldn't mention I mean I can only imagine what the
emotional toll was for Mackinsolbaz and trying to get ready
to play in that game, all of that, but still
other guys around him I felt like were more of
your issue, Like more of your issues in protection I
thought were the edge and kind of leaving those guys
out on islands there and then not holding up. And
then I go back to the run game. You know,
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to me, so much of that was I think rooted
in just Pittsburgh's front really whipping you in that area there.
That again was so much of why your offense looked
like a unit. We haven't even seen sniff really here.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
In Cody and Flippin asking some of the questions here,
we got a lot of these. Was this game more
about the Colts beating themselves or the Steelers giving in
blueprint on how to slow the Colts offense down?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah? I think for the most part it's the Colts
beating themselves, like they've been such a solid offense this season.
Even if you want to throw away some of those
late game turnovers, like hey, that's just you trying to
make a play, you know, if the watt strip sack
doesn't happen or the ball doesn't get batted, you know,
by Peyton Wilson into Jack Sawyer. You know, could that
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have turned into at least some sort of points there?
Like six turnovers is obviously in absurd numbers, first time
the Colts have had in eighteen years. Now. Is there
a blueprint out there? There might be a rough sketch
of it, but the executing of it, I think is
a different animal. A can your front limit Jonathan Taylor,
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let's start there. B can you dial up effective four
and five man rushes? I mean, when you think about it,
let's go back to it. Pittsburgh some of their best
pass rush moments came on like first and tents. Yeah,
you know, typically when you see you know, the big
pass rush moments, they're on third downs. They are third
and longs when you create those strip sacks. So there
is a little bit of okay, can you do both
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those things? Do you have a veteran quarterback that largely
protects the football? Like I didn't think the Colts had
many chances for a turnover yesterday. I didn't think Pittsburgh's
the offense was potent, but I didn't think the Colts
had a lot of chances. Obviously Biden, you know, has
that or can anymore? Has that play late that Biden recovers,
and then just a little bit of playing away from home,
which might not be an issue for you in the playoffs,
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but to me, you know, at Kansas City, Seattle, those
are some teams on paper that can do what Pittsburgh did.
Maybe Jacksonville maybe, And that's why I think, you know,
I think Sunday has got a little bit of that
heighten urgency.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You know, for some reason, you were to lose Sunday,
which I don't expect them to. Atlanta lost. I believe
both of their guards in the game. Oh really Chris
Chris Leinstrom, who's been a very good player. So yeah,
and you take out those guards with a immobile, small
quarterback in Michael Pennix, then I think that's advantage to
Forest Buckinger Rover Stewart Company. But anyways, you know, let's say,
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for example, Eddie, if you don't get this one on Sunday,
that means now you've lost two in a row and
come out of the bye week, it's again at Kansas City,
home to Houston, at Seattle, at or at Jacksonville at Seattle.
So it just it quickly moves into oh boy, this
could get interesting fast. Not in a good word.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah. With Atlanta, Matthew berger On sustained an ankle injury,
Leonard Floyd left the game with a hamstring issue, and
then Chris Linstrom was a foot injury in the fourth
quarter for Atlanta yesterday KB. In general, the Colts did
a solid job on third down both sides of the football,
between third and fourth down. I should say if you
combine the efficiency for the Colts, they were eleven of nineteen,
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Pittsburgh was five for fourteen, and you lose the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Again, there are so many stats at a point to
that point to total yards, point to the five for
five on fourth downs. Yeah, I mean again, Jalen Warren,
DK metcalf, I get their tight ends impact of the
game in some ways. But you know, I thought a
blueprint to a possible Colts loss, which I definitely didn't think,
would have been more of a Pittsburgh kind of outshoots
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out you which I know it would have sounded weird
entering the game, but you know, maybe whatever what makes
a couple of plays, it just limits you to a
field goal instead of scoring on those touchdown drives. But
clearly I didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You didn't mention outdoors. There are a handful of games
coming up too with outdoors comes playing on grass, and
that is where our next Twitter question comes from. Craig.
While the offensive line was atrocious on Sunday, the whole
team looks slow since there was Since this was their
first game of the season on grass, do you think
that had any impact? I guess we'll find out next week,
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as Berlin is a grass field.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm qualified for the grass
turf debate. Really, I know it's an old stadium next week. Yeah,
I all I know is you're playing outdoors five the
next six and that can lead to obviously different weather
that can lead to whatever impacting the kicking game. And
from an atmosphere standpoint, Arrowhead and Seattle I had rank
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right up early just about any yeah in the NFL.
So that's probably where I point to. More than just
like grass turf, I mean, I think the cold elements
of a team that should be good outdoors, you know,
from a trench play standpoint, from a tailor or standpoint.
When you get into this, you know if your weather here,
but obviously playing in the friendly confines and getting that
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home crowd behind you for the first time in ten
years would be very welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Colts are now one of three teams, by the way,
that are seven to two in the AFC. New England
seven and two, Denver is seven to two as well,
Pittsburgh five and three, and then Buffalo is six and two,
Chargers six and three, Jacksonville five and three, Kansas City
five and four. That is your top A right now
in the AFC standings. Two questions left? Does this performance
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give you pause on signing Daniel Jones to a contract extension?
Odd thing enough, Z Palm finds it feels better about
the Colts defense and pass rush in the loss.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, let's start with Jones. I mean, you can't overact
to one game. I you know, there's a level of
debate that you're gonna have to get into a franchise
tag versus longer term deal. Yet I wasn't a big
fan of the I in t to Peyton Wilson was
a nice play by him, a little bit of ball
security in the pocket. But I'm not getting all of
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a sudden just totally rip on Daniel Jones. I think
so much of it was rooted into your play of
your offensive line, and we'll see how the final two
months unfold. Like there's an element every year to this. Eddie,
Tennessee and Jacksonville probably good examples of it recently. You know,
when you get halfway through the season, there's a lot
on tape, you know, just the rest of the league
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start to you know, catch up a little bit to you,
or at least you know, see what you've seen here.
By the way, I don't know if I have a
great feel on Anthony Richardson coming back this year, if
anyone cares. It sounded like that eye injury was horrific.
You had to have surgery, right, Yeah, we know the
surgery a couple of weeks ago, and there's I think
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there's some dicey ish moments early on in that in
that process. So he's due to come off, I r
I believe I think him. Yeah, image of very Ward.
Both got hurt warm ups, right, So they're both due
to come back after the bye week, but eligible eligible. Yes, Yes,
that's that's the better way to put it. You know,
as far as Zupon pointing out here, you know, I
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feel good enough about defensive pass rush. I still would
like to see a pass rush move at the deadline.
I don't. I don't walk away from Sunday all of
a sudden like, yes, I thought your defense played fine
and played probably winning enough football. But again, one week
for me doesn't all of a sudden change. You know
where you're at from an offensive line or where you're
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at from a pass rush standpoint, you know the whole
Joan I says the NFL wide. I think one of
the harder things to do for an NFL franchise is
when you sit at the end of the season and think, hey,
do we have the guy or do we not have
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the guy? And then when you ask that question, it's well,
I don't think we have the guy, but I still
would rather have him than take a chance.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Do you think that's what Minnesota's regretting even though they
won yesterday in Detroit with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a great question, you know,
and like Seattle did Seattle View, like going from Geno
Smith to Sam Donald is an upgrade.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think they do now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean right, I mean that there are just some
great debates you could have around the league of that.
I think it's one of the harder things for franchises
to figure out.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Didn't they sign Donald before trading Gino? Pretty sure they did?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right? Well, I assume that was.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I assume that they were obviously planning to get rid
of Gino once they made the move for Donald. So
I just think that general PREMISEETI of a do we
have the guy? And if we're uncertain if we have
the guy? What about the color of the grass on
the other side of the door. Yeah, you know, it's
just it's kind of frightening, honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. My final outwit a question is about the trade
deadline four pm Eastern on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
The question to make a trade five minutes after we
signed off?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Wouldn't that be that'd be on brand? Wouldn't it very
on brand?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's from conright. With the trade deadline not too far away,
what positions should Chris Valord be targeting? And how much
competition do you think is reasonable or possible? You already
mentioned edge over corner. Now, what in terms of compensation
are you willing to give up you for Chris Ballad?
I think it is the bigger question.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, that is that is a good part. Again, I
would say this, I think the Colts have legit interest
in both of those, and they're kind of debating, you know,
how big of a swing should you take? And again,
what does that market look like? You'all be curious how
much Miami gives up given the Chris Greer situation. I mean,
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the Colts continue to work out veteran edge players and cornerbacks,
particularly edge guys, so that to me is an indicator
if they obviously aren't in love of what they have.
And I was interested Eddie in a way. JT Tuoymalol
kind of had a two week tryout here. Yeah, with
the injuries to Taekwon Lewis and Sampson Abacom, And I
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just didn't feel like you got a ton from him, right,
And I get that might be a kind of a
big bar for a rookie, Granted you felt like he
was probably gonna come in and had a college resume
that would compete a little bit more in the NFL.
The quitty pay Arizona game continues to be the outlier.
Like to me, I just don't feel like we've seen
much from him.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
With the attention certainly going to Buckner, and certainly going
to a lot too as well. So you know what
would they give up? I think right in that ballpark
of the third round, fourth round, fifth, you know they
have those three picks. You got to think you're gonna
get something in return for Richardson? You know what does
that look like for you in those middleish rounds? And
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again by no means, might you know? I don't know.
Do you think Trey Hendricksons all of a sudden on
the table after they're lost yesterday or no Cincinnati? No?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, he should be, but he won't be.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And again his injury status kind of complicates some some things.
So very very interested to see how all of this
is going to play out over the next thirty six hours.
We'll probably be back with I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Know, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Maybe if they make a deal like the Wednesday morning Element,
if we can kind of get in there.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
If not, we could stick with kind of our Wednesday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This sounds good to me. Are there any sneaky positions
that they could be looking at? Yeah, we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Could they do like another Makai Blackman deal? Ru guy's
got some flexibility between safety and corner if one of
the corners goes down, or maybe offensive line depth.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I mean to me, you
the on line depth, It's not like that's been exposed.
I think they like Jalen Travis and Dalton Tucker and
any pinter. I don't know. I don't. I'm glad you
brought it up because I think it's a good talking point,
but I don't necessarily go anywhere with that. Maybe the
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flex in the secondary to your point linebacker?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Is Jalen Carla's coming back anytime soon?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think he is, but I'm not positive. Yeah, that
would be the only other one. But to me, I
continue to go back to at rush And I don't know,
Carl Granderson from the Saints, you know, are the Giants
after another loss? Are they gonna start looking at a
selling at all? Like those would be. I think some
of the areas that I kind of look towards and think,
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all right, is there anything that you can explore there
just a little bit more juice? And it might not
be the whatever ten twelve SAT guy, But when you've
got a second wave of pass rushers in the game
and that unit happens to be Russian All of a sudden,
do you feel a little bit better about your death? There
that a guy can impact a little bit because the
cults would be given their interior guys, those edge rushers
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should feast and their ability to send quarterbacks, you know,
back into the interior part of the pocket. And well
you would think Sunday again on paper with Atlanta losing
both their guards would be just a great, great opportunity
for it all. So we'll break it all down coming
up on Wednesday with Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen
(36:24):
and Eddie Garrison. Again colts have a normal scheduled this
week until Thursday. The border plane late Thursday night for Berlin,
so everything will be normal up until that point. I
have a walk through over there and take on the
falcons coming up Rahiem Morris and Shane Steichen was that
one too and they head coaching search a few years ago.
M h. I think a lot of people would feel
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that way. Eddie, thank you as always, thank you for
listening to Colts Corner with Kevin Bowen. We are signing
off
We're back another edition of Kevin's Corner. Kevin's Corner that
was the old name of Colt's Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen,
Eddie Garrison. I guess I fumbled that like the Colts
turn it over.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Stop rewind and do that over KB.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We are back. It is Colt's Corner with myself Kevin
Bowen recapping a Monday pod Eddie Garrison that we have
not had to do many times at all here this season.
Colts lose twenty seven to twenty yesterday in Pittsburgh, now
seven to two in the season. They will be in
Berlin coming up, not traveling till Thursday night. They'll do
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the melowtonin eight o'clock flight thing coming up on Thursday.
I think that's kind of how teams have shifted the
international thought there. If keep the week as normal as possible,
walk through it up on a Friday, and then go
and play the game, and then it's time for the
bye week, I would say a little, I don't know,
healthy tension would be the way I would describe this
week after yesterday's performance, that we probably could simply boil
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down to six turnovers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
YEP, that's about where you know, you lose the game out.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think we should just stop the pod right there.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thanks for listening. To be back on Wednesday, hopefully talking
about a Colt strain.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, man, let's go get some bearss call today.
You know, there's so much of yesterday that you would
have told me. I would have said Colts route obviously
outgained them by more than I think it was one
hundred and forty yards. You're five of five on fourth down.
I mean, how many times do you see that for
a team? DK Metcalf two catches for six yards, Jalen
Warren under two yards per carry, and yet everything changes
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on TJ. Watt'strip sack. And I'll say that probably five
different times in this podcast. But Eddie, you know me,
you know I believe in game flow everything changed on
that play by Watt. Everything you had had, the thirteen
play touchdown drive, you had recovered with the sudden change
stop after the Josh Downs muff punt. Pittsburgh at that
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point had ran ten offensive plays with zero first downs,
and you had kind of started to break them a
little bit with the fake punt. And I think if
you turn that fake punt into ten nothing, especially fourteen
to nothing, it might have been over. I know it's
a big statement to make, and I know the rest
of the game unfolded in the manner that it did,
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But I think Pittsburgh was teetering, and I think that
atmosphere would have been teetering. And when what makes the
play that will have him in Canton, Ohio one day,
the whole game just avalanched really from there in the
opposite direction. I never felt like Daniel Jones is comfortable
the rest of the game. And if you want to
lay the root of the loss at one position group
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I labeled at the offensive line. And I say that
not only from a past protection standpoint, but also a
run game standpoint. So a lot to get to on
today's pot, but just overall, Eddie wanted to start there.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Let's dive into what you did not like, because this
is the one more. Yeah, a couple of stats to
throw at you. Two and twenty three. Now, the Colts
as a franchise, when they have six turnovers, do you
recall and how old are.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You, Eddie?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Forty seven, so you're still fairly young.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Do you recall a Sunday night football game in two
thousand and seven Colts Chargers when Peyton Manning through six interceptions.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I might have been in the infancy of my Colts fandom,
but I kind of slightly remember it.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Adam Vini Terry missed a twenty nine yard field goal
that likely would have won the game for the Colts.
They actually got it back one more time, Manning through
a sixth iron t That's the last time they've had
six turnovers. I looked it up since two thousand the
entire NFL five ninety two and one NFL teams are
when they commit six turnovers. I'm actually shocked they've won
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five games. That there's five wins in there, So you know,
I think Big Pictures is kind of where I'm at
before we get into what I didn't like, what I liked.
When you're seven to one, you've earned benefit of the
doubt you've created that for your team. One game does
not define you. Honestly, the Cults are probably due for
a little bit of you know, fumble luck going against
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their way. Yeah, the tip pass the other team picks
off this time, boy, a lot of balls picked bad
at the line of scrimmage. I thought from Daniel Jones.
But I will say this, these types of teams, these
types of atmospheres, you're probably more likely to see now
moving forward. I mean, once you get through Germany. Look
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at the first few games after the bye week at
Kansas City, homb to Houston, at Jacksonville, at Seattle again,
these types of you know, have we seen Jacksonville's front
get after the Colts before? No? Did you see Seattle's
front last night? Did Jane Daniels? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Boy? So, I mean hopefully okay.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Right, And I didn't mean it, you know, from an
injury standpoint, but I mean he was getting hit. He
actually had Matty Bowen saying I feel bad for him.
He was getting hit so much there. So I think
I'm right here, Eddie. And not every team has his blueprint,
but when you you have face, let's call the Rams
this team, let's call the Broncos this team, what's called
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the Chargers this team, and probably the Steelers. Those are
the four playoff teams you face. So far. You controlled
the Chargers game, the Steelers controlled you. Okay, let's put
those tough to the side. Rams coin flip either way,
Broncos coin flip either way. You know, those four games
you know easily could have gone. Yeah, obviously you're two
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and two in them.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Again, these are the types of teams and the types
of atmospheres, yesterday being the first I think true road
atmosphere you face that you're gonna see, so you know
when you're facing teams that you know can get home
with four five, commit to the run, take away the
first and second reads easier said than done on the
road against a veteran quarterback that's protecting the football, how
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do you handle it? Those I think are some of
the questions facing the coltier moving forward, but I largely
chalk it up to six Sturno overs is pretty fluky.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Let's start with what you did not like. Since it
was a loss, we can't start with what you did like.
Starting up front with the offensive line, KB, they just
felt like they were in mud the entire game. They
didn't really get much push up front, especially early in
the run game, and then in the past game they
just couldn't give Daniel Jones enough time really to get
the ball downfield.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm glad you started with mentioning the push in the
run game. That's where I'm gonna boil it down to Eddie,
I heard a lot of the hey, you know, they
didn't commit to Taylor enough, blah blah blah. I would
disagree with that. I think they largely did what they've done.
It is a throw to score, run to win. Taylor
had eight carries in the first half, as long carry
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was six yards. He had six carries in the third quarter.
The game is still very much you know, back and
forth of that point. Six carries and one quarter is
a good amount, and you extra play that out to
a whole game. It was twenty four carries. He had
a long run of nine in the third quarter. So
to me, it was the worst the offensive line is
played all year, and I think it was disappointed about
the overall units performance. Eddie is it was a healthy group.
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You know, you had your eleven starters healthy. Pittsburgh is
trading for Kyle Dugram midweek and then he's starting in
the game. They're moving Jalen Ramsey to safety. Yeah, they
were kind of in shambles defensively. So I just think
so much of the root of yesterday, the turnovers, the
play of Daniel Jones, you know, Jonathan Taylor's quiet day,
So much of that points back to the offensive line,
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and again I'll go back to the Watt play. I
mean that play just changed the game. I felt like
a lot of Pittsburgh's play making to Eddie occurred in
good down and distance situations for the Colts, which was
kind of odd, Like the first and ten was where
Watt made the play. I want to say the Peyton
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Wilson tip to Jack Sawyer was a second and one.
I believe the Peyton Wilson interception was a second and
very manageable. I think one of the high Smith plays
was a first and tent as we like, you know,
to me, a recipe for disaster against a team like
this is you know, into the third and longs. But
like those really weren't the times that Pittsburgh feasted on them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I think that just kind of adds to it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I think one thing when you're looking at it from
the offensive line, that the Jonathan Taylor perspective is that
I felt like they never really even when they did
try to run with them, it felt like most of
them were were out of shotgun and not a lot
of underneath center action. And then number two to kind
of play off of that there was it didn't feel
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like they tapped into the play action as much as
they had in the previous weeks, and I felt like
that potentially hurt them.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think some of the subtle play actions turned into
some of those deep drops for Jones, and those are sacks.
You know, if you look at the Watt play like,
I'm going to focus a lot on it, who's the
fault there?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Which pop play? Are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The strip in the second quarter?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
See, I thought there was a there was a lane
for Jones to step up. I didn't think his pocket
presence was there at all yesterday. Yeah, I would agree
on that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I thought he and I think Pierce starting the game
in the fashion that Pierce did probably had Daniel Jones
that can shot there. And I think when you play
rushers like Watt, you have to be so conscious of
when he's single teams, and when he's single teamed, you
better be damn sure that you got two hands on
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the football there. Yeah, if you're gonna take a shot,
because JJ Watt, ironically, they're a really nice job breaking
it down and Tyler Warren is very open in the
flat there.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now it's a little bit of a checkdown, but it's
it would be second and three at that point, And
that to me is where if you're going to take
the shots against the Watts, against the Crossbs, et cetera,
et cetera. Hell, you might see Pittsburgh in the wildcard
round in the playoffs. You know that that's got to
be a chip. And you know, sometimes I'm third and thirteen,
maybe you can't chip because you need to deploy guys
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out on a route tree and whatever you're down seven,
But first and ten, I think there's an opportunity to
do that, especially when you had dominated. Really that dominated
is the strong work. You had really controlled so much
of that game to that point. Really, the josh Awn's
muff was the only issue. You had broken their back
with the sudden change defense. You had gone with a
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fake punt already again, you're about to be up ten
or fourteen, nothing there. So yeah, would you love to
see Braden Smith hold up on on one. Sure, But
you know there are some other avenues I think on
that play specifically that you know could have been different.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Boy, I didn't realize Peyton Wilson had fourteen tackles, a
half a sack, two passes defense and a pick.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And you know what credit for him on the pick.
You know, I think something that Daniel Jones has got
to watch moving forward is I'm curious if teams, and
I think some teams have tried this, but Pittsburgh had
a lot of success with it. Do you live with
some of the Jones intermediate throws knowing he's gonna hit
some They wean a.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Ton of split safety yesterday. I don't know if you
saw this. It was the most they had run in
any game this year. It was like eighty four percent of.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The time or something interesting and again a corner and
Ramsey playing a lot of that safe but at times too,
they also, I thought, did a great job of kind
of suffocating that very I guess first level throws maybe
it would be the better way to describe it. But they
were very competitive at the point of attack. I thought
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in some of those moments of truce, much more so
than I remember from other teams. Josh downs maybe not
as open as we're used to. You know, Warren has
five catches for twenty six yards. Is there any sort
of blueprint, which again is so much easier said than done,
of commit a ton to the run game when they
do throw, we're going to try and just absolutely handcuff
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that first level because that is a lot of the
checkdowns and if you look at the downs enters or
the interception he's trying to throw to the downs. That
was a very hey first read not there second read. Boom,
I think I've got downs Wilson. Jonathan Taylor hadn't gotten
out on his outree or out on his rout tree enough,
and you know, Wilson makes that play.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I want to correct myself, KB. It was eighty four
percent of the snapscher Ramsey at safety yesterday. Split safety
utilization per next Gen Stats was forty six point four
percent of the dropbacks for the Colts, out as the
most this season for the Pittsburgh Steelers defense. Uh, they
had entered the week with the second lowest split safety
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usage in the NFL at twenty eight point two percent
per dropback.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So Lil wrinkle a team that we're not used to
doing a lot of that. So, you know, again, these
are some of the cool you know, Steve Spagnola coming up,
like McDonald coming up again, Jacksonville's rush. I mean, they
still got some of those guys there that have been
there for the past couple of those games.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Hein j Allen had a solid game yesterday, you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Know, Jacksonville. I don't know if people watch the end
of that game, that was a huge two point version.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh yeah, I mean they're a game back in the
Lost Calm.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, as wild as that sounds, they are
a game back in the Lost Calm. Now, I'm not
holding my breath that they're going to stay there, but
standings wise, they are right there.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Something else I like the here in terms of what
we did not like unless you have more to add
on the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, we can. Well, I mean I guess just Jones
in general. You know, again, when when you when you
can kind of muddy some things and put a little
bit more on his plate, what happens? Yeah, I think
that's just kind of a bigger picture question. Again, this
is all about tiering quarterbacks. You know, Jones has been
so good for so much of the season, but you know,
getting to those other tiers you kind of have to check,
(13:26):
you know, multiple boxes. There, so just things to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And it was something that you and I both talked
about on the pod and Wednesday. It was like, on paper,
this defense should be playing a lot better than what
it had been playing statistically going into the game yesterday
on Sunday, but it just felt like they kind of
quote unquote got back to the basics a little bit
yesterdays what Pittsburgh did, and that resulted in them playing
like this, playing like the defense that you know people
(13:49):
are accustomed to seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
My brain is fraud. What else did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I didn't like nothing else in terms of what you
put on. There something I wanted to throw in because
this is something that I think it is worth monitoring
going forward. Just when you look at the upcoming schedule,
I think tight ends posing tight ends are starting to
have their way a little bit with the Colts, and
it's something that we haven't necessarily talked about as much.
(14:14):
You look at Darnell Washington for for forty three, Pat
Fryarmouth three for twenty seven and a touchdown, John new
Smith three for twenty five, and then if you go
back to even just most recently with you know, Los Angeles,
Gatson had over one hundred yards, Trey McBride had a
really solid game if it weren't for Vegas not having
Michael Mayer or Brock Bauers, who we don't really know
(14:35):
what those numbers look like Denver and Miami don't really
in Tennessee and Los Angeles to the at that point
of the year when you faced all those teams hadn't
really utilized their tight end a ton.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, definitely some good points. So yeah, I think a
lot of it again gets back to kind of what
I know. Definitely said the last week's podcast of one thing.
You know, someone asked me last week, have the Colts
passed all the tests? And my response was, so far,
they've passed all the tests presented in front of them,
(15:06):
but some new tests do exist, different tests, and again
five of your next six are away from home. Just
a little bit more of that. So that's the beauty
of the NFL season, how it evolves and how it
continually tests you. So I fully expect the Cols to
respond quite well. Atlanta did get after the quarterback I
think Matt not Judahn, what's his name, Leondard Floyd, I
(15:28):
didn't think got hurt and their went over Newing or
in their loss to Patriots, they did have six sacks
of Drake.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
May and I brought up the tight end just because
you have Kyle Pitts coming up this weekend for the
Falcons after the bye week. Travis Kelcey Dalton Schultz is
still a solid tight end for the Houston Texans. Jacksonville
to be interesting to see what their tight end status
looks like. I forget their starter that's currently hurt. And
then Seattle they use Elijah Royo and former IU and
(15:57):
Michigan Wolverine tight end what's his first name, Barner? J Barner,
thank you, and then George Kittle obviously Jacksonill and Houston
around out the year. So I just thought it was
worth monitoring anything else in this category you want, you
want to add before we shift into what you did, like,
let me just.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Throw out a quick comment on on on Jones again.
I I nothing to me to too alarming there. It
just seemed to be some route confused confusion late in
the game. I mean, at that point, you know, it's
just a recipe for disaster, you know. I I thought
he actually made some big time throws early in that game,
(16:32):
the third and eleven. I thought it was a beautiful
throw in that opening drive to the nurse there. But
you know how he responds, I don't. I think the
root of all the issues yesterday, offensively was the line
but you know, how does he kind of handle it?
Because again, I just felt like a little bit uneasiness.
You know, he had the fumble that they recovered at
(16:54):
one point, Eddie, I thought he kind of bailed on
that pocket a little early. Again, you take away the
first ticket away the second read, the pocket starts to
collapse a little bit, and like he had Pittman second
level throw. Yeah, just like, Okay, dude, though, how much
can he get through the full progression? I think will
be something I'll be curious about moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let's shift to what you did. Like, let's start with
the two wideouts for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
They were one of six teams going into Sunday that
didn't have a one hundred yard receiver. They exit Sunday
now with two receivers over one hundred yards. Alex Prais
was a fantastic yesterday, six catches, one hundred and fifteen yards.
Michael Pittman Junior doing Michael Pittman Junior things nine catches
one hundred and fifteen yards as well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, Pierce really really good. You know, especially early on
in that game, Eddie, the variety of routes he's continually
going to get paid a lot of money by somebody
here coming up next offseason. And I thought Michael Pittman
Junior's toughness. You know, he took the big hit from
Ramsey there late. You know, I thought a very nice
day from both of them. You know, again, they did
(17:56):
a good job taking away Warren limiting downs as well.
But I thought Peerre and Pittman, you know, had some
really nice catches. And you know, the Colts kind of
always flirted with the hey we're an on side kick
away and those guys were obviously big, big parts of it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah. And then defensively, I thought the two big players
that he had to monitor, Jalen Warren, DK Metcalf, they
were never really involved for the Steelers. Jalen Warren sixteen
carries thirty one yards, he does find the end zone twice.
And then DK Metcalf two catches on six targets for
six yards.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, and shout out to Jalen Jones, Eddie. I think
that is a very encouraging sign that Jalen Jones not
only played yesterday, he played the most snaps of any
Colts quartern back. They asked him to do a lot
of DK metcalf stuff, and I know there's some cloud
covers that obviously helped the Colts too, but they were
able to limit him to the level that they did.
I know he had the turnover or he had the
penalty there late first half. But still I've I view
(18:52):
corner in that that is a position where I mean,
it's possible when you've paced Kansas City after the bye
Eddie m hm, you have Tavarious Ward, Kenny Moore and
Jalen Jones. Is you're starting three corners.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, that makes sleep bow better at night, does it not?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Does that mean there's not gonna be a trade at
the deadline then?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well again, this is why I've on more team edge
rusher than i am team cornerback.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
As we sit here right now, Jalen Phillips has been
traded from the Eagles to the.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Dolphins and Cray if I'm wrong, third round pick.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Or sorry from the Dolphins of the Eagles, right and
you know, Jalen Phillips walks in free agency. His compick
will probably not be a third rounder, but they'll.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Probably close to that maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So I mean that's a deal that I think makes
a lot of sense. I know, he's been banged up
in his career, but still when he's been healthy, he's
definitely had some nice production for him.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So reunited with Vic Vangio. Good point. Good point.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I think yesterday was kind of a reminder of
you need more juice. JT to Umolowow. His numbers came
down yesterday, Eddie. He was about fifty percent of the
STAPs last week, only eleven snaps for him. They played
quity paying a lot to us on yesterday. So to me,
you've gotten a couple of in house cornerback reinforcements.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't view defensive end in that light at all. Right,
I don't think Taekwon, Lewis and Sampson have ACoM all
of a sudden cheer all in their returns there. So
that is the position that I would continue to explore,
and I do think the Colts are definitely looking at it.
It's just you know, Deadline's peraction and.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Right? And I tend to think you haven't had too
many opportunities to squeeze the juice. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, to kind of round things out here and what
you liked, how about lie out two lotso yesterday KB
two and a half sacks, three quarterback hits second round
the team in tackles.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
With inside rush for one of those sacks there, And
let's mention Kenny Moore. You know when they had the
muff punt, that sudden change what he was able to
do and blowing up what was it the Jets sweep?
I think it was the metcalf at the end around
he did and then the uh darnel he's giving up
one hundred bounds and more than one hundred probably probably
a foot or close to a foot there, uh to
(21:08):
make that play. And then he had the big punch
out you know late as well.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
So yeah, anything else you went out of what you liked,
you're ready for Twitter questions.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I think that covers anything I should have mentioned. Michael,
Michael Badgley. Just a couple outdoor kicks, yeah, fifteen y.
You know they didn't clear by much, not the prettiest
looking things, but still as.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Long as they go between the uprights. kV.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We don't care as well as he three of nine
in his career something like that from fifty, so you
know he'll have more outdoor opportunities here moving forward with him.
There are couple of extra points that that, you know,
give me a little bit of nervous energy, to be
honest with you. But still he's been pretty solid so
far outside of that one missed extra point.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Handful of Twitter questions to get too. We will start
with Chris the Shane Stiken realize that they can run
the ball to the outside. Every run doesn't need to
be up the middle. They could have at least ran
some stretch plays and that offensive line got beat down.
I've always said Brandon Smith struggles against speed rushers, and
I saw no difference against TJ. Watt and Kevin for
(22:11):
the most part. Prior to yesterday, the Colts had done
a solid job on TJ. Watt, and yesterday was a
different story.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, he also had a couple of plays I thought
outside of that, if I remember correctly a couple of
years ago, Eddie, I remember what like making them play
early in the game and then super quiet the rest
of the way. I just I felt like you felt, frankly, TJ.
Watt and Alex Highsmith probably the most in the matchups.
I thought he really got the best of Ryman. Obviously,
(22:39):
shouldn't mention I mean I can only imagine what the
emotional toll was for Mackinsolbaz and trying to get ready
to play in that game, all of that, but still
other guys around him I felt like were more of
your issue, Like more of your issues in protection I
thought were the edge and kind of leaving those guys
out on islands there and then not holding up. And
then I go back to the run game. You know,
(23:00):
to me, so much of that was I think rooted
in just Pittsburgh's front really whipping you in that area there.
That again was so much of why your offense looked
like a unit. We haven't even seen sniff really here.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
In Cody and Flippin asking some of the questions here,
we got a lot of these. Was this game more
about the Colts beating themselves or the Steelers giving in
blueprint on how to slow the Colts offense down?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah? I think for the most part it's the Colts
beating themselves, like they've been such a solid offense this season.
Even if you want to throw away some of those
late game turnovers, like hey, that's just you trying to
make a play, you know, if the watt strip sack
doesn't happen or the ball doesn't get batted, you know,
by Peyton Wilson into Jack Sawyer. You know, could that
(23:52):
have turned into at least some sort of points there?
Like six turnovers is obviously in absurd numbers, first time
the Colts have had in eighteen years. Now. Is there
a blueprint out there? There might be a rough sketch
of it, but the executing of it, I think is
a different animal. A can your front limit Jonathan Taylor,
(24:15):
let's start there. B can you dial up effective four
and five man rushes? I mean, when you think about it,
let's go back to it. Pittsburgh some of their best
pass rush moments came on like first and tents. Yeah,
you know, typically when you see you know, the big
pass rush moments, they're on third downs. They are third
and longs when you create those strip sacks. So there
is a little bit of okay, can you do both
(24:37):
those things? Do you have a veteran quarterback that largely
protects the football? Like I didn't think the Colts had
many chances for a turnover yesterday. I didn't think Pittsburgh's
the offense was potent, but I didn't think the Colts
had a lot of chances. Obviously Biden, you know, has
that or can anymore? Has that play late that Biden recovers,
and then just a little bit of playing away from home,
which might not be an issue for you in the playoffs,
(25:00):
but to me, you know, at Kansas City, Seattle, those
are some teams on paper that can do what Pittsburgh did.
Maybe Jacksonville maybe, And that's why I think, you know,
I think Sunday has got a little bit of that
heighten urgency.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You know, for some reason, you were to lose Sunday,
which I don't expect them to. Atlanta lost. I believe
both of their guards in the game. Oh really Chris
Chris Leinstrom, who's been a very good player. So yeah,
and you take out those guards with a immobile, small
quarterback in Michael Pennix, then I think that's advantage to
Forest Buckinger Rover Stewart Company. But anyways, you know, let's say,
(25:38):
for example, Eddie, if you don't get this one on Sunday,
that means now you've lost two in a row and
come out of the bye week, it's again at Kansas City,
home to Houston, at Seattle, at or at Jacksonville at Seattle.
So it just it quickly moves into oh boy, this
could get interesting fast. Not in a good word.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah. With Atlanta, Matthew berger On sustained an ankle injury,
Leonard Floyd left the game with a hamstring issue, and
then Chris Linstrom was a foot injury in the fourth
quarter for Atlanta yesterday KB. In general, the Colts did
a solid job on third down both sides of the football,
between third and fourth down. I should say if you
combine the efficiency for the Colts, they were eleven of nineteen,
(26:23):
Pittsburgh was five for fourteen, and you lose the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Again, there are so many stats at a point to
that point to total yards, point to the five for
five on fourth downs. Yeah, I mean again, Jalen Warren,
DK metcalf, I get their tight ends impact of the
game in some ways. But you know, I thought a
blueprint to a possible Colts loss, which I definitely didn't think,
would have been more of a Pittsburgh kind of outshoots
(26:49):
out you which I know it would have sounded weird
entering the game, but you know, maybe whatever what makes
a couple of plays, it just limits you to a
field goal instead of scoring on those touchdown drives. But
clearly I didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You didn't mention outdoors. There are a handful of games
coming up too with outdoors comes playing on grass, and
that is where our next Twitter question comes from. Craig.
While the offensive line was atrocious on Sunday, the whole
team looks slow since there was Since this was their
first game of the season on grass, do you think
that had any impact? I guess we'll find out next week,
(27:23):
as Berlin is a grass field.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm qualified for the grass
turf debate. Really, I know it's an old stadium next week. Yeah,
I all I know is you're playing outdoors five the
next six and that can lead to obviously different weather
that can lead to whatever impacting the kicking game. And
from an atmosphere standpoint, Arrowhead and Seattle I had rank
(27:49):
right up early just about any yeah in the NFL.
So that's probably where I point to. More than just
like grass turf, I mean, I think the cold elements
of a team that should be good outdoors, you know,
from a trench play standpoint, from a tailor or standpoint.
When you get into this, you know if your weather here,
but obviously playing in the friendly confines and getting that
(28:10):
home crowd behind you for the first time in ten
years would be very welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Colts are now one of three teams, by the way,
that are seven to two in the AFC. New England
seven and two, Denver is seven to two as well,
Pittsburgh five and three, and then Buffalo is six and two,
Chargers six and three, Jacksonville five and three, Kansas City
five and four. That is your top A right now
in the AFC standings. Two questions left? Does this performance
(28:35):
give you pause on signing Daniel Jones to a contract extension?
Odd thing enough, Z Palm finds it feels better about
the Colts defense and pass rush in the loss.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, let's start with Jones. I mean, you can't overact
to one game. I you know, there's a level of
debate that you're gonna have to get into a franchise
tag versus longer term deal. Yet I wasn't a big
fan of the I in t to Peyton Wilson was
a nice play by him, a little bit of ball
security in the pocket. But I'm not getting all of
(29:08):
a sudden just totally rip on Daniel Jones. I think
so much of it was rooted into your play of
your offensive line, and we'll see how the final two
months unfold. Like there's an element every year to this. Eddie,
Tennessee and Jacksonville probably good examples of it recently. You know,
when you get halfway through the season, there's a lot
on tape, you know, just the rest of the league
(29:30):
start to you know, catch up a little bit to you,
or at least you know, see what you've seen here.
By the way, I don't know if I have a
great feel on Anthony Richardson coming back this year, if
anyone cares. It sounded like that eye injury was horrific.
You had to have surgery, right, Yeah, we know the
surgery a couple of weeks ago, and there's I think
(29:51):
there's some dicey ish moments early on in that in
that process. So he's due to come off, I r
I believe I think him. Yeah, image of very Ward.
Both got hurt warm ups, right, So they're both due
to come back after the bye week, but eligible eligible. Yes, Yes,
that's that's the better way to put it. You know,
as far as Zupon pointing out here, you know, I
(30:12):
feel good enough about defensive pass rush. I still would
like to see a pass rush move at the deadline.
I don't. I don't walk away from Sunday all of
a sudden like, yes, I thought your defense played fine
and played probably winning enough football. But again, one week
for me doesn't all of a sudden change. You know
where you're at from an offensive line or where you're
(30:33):
at from a pass rush standpoint, you know the whole
Joan I says the NFL wide. I think one of
the harder things to do for an NFL franchise is
when you sit at the end of the season and think, hey,
do we have the guy or do we not have
(30:55):
the guy? And then when you ask that question, it's well,
I don't think we have the guy, but I still
would rather have him than take a chance.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Do you think that's what Minnesota's regretting even though they
won yesterday in Detroit with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a great question, you know,
and like Seattle did Seattle View, like going from Geno
Smith to Sam Donald is an upgrade.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think they do now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean right, I mean that there are just some
great debates you could have around the league of that.
I think it's one of the harder things for franchises
to figure out.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Didn't they sign Donald before trading Gino? Pretty sure they did?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right? Well, I assume that was.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I assume that they were obviously planning to get rid
of Gino once they made the move for Donald. So
I just think that general PREMISEETI of a do we
have the guy? And if we're uncertain if we have
the guy? What about the color of the grass on
the other side of the door. Yeah, you know, it's
just it's kind of frightening, honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. My final outwit a question is about the trade
deadline four pm Eastern on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
The question to make a trade five minutes after we
signed off?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Wouldn't that be that'd be on brand? Wouldn't it very
on brand?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's from conright. With the trade deadline not too far away,
what positions should Chris Valord be targeting? And how much
competition do you think is reasonable or possible? You already
mentioned edge over corner. Now, what in terms of compensation
are you willing to give up you for Chris Ballad?
I think it is the bigger question.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, that is that is a good part. Again, I
would say this, I think the Colts have legit interest
in both of those, and they're kind of debating, you know,
how big of a swing should you take? And again,
what does that market look like? You'all be curious how
much Miami gives up given the Chris Greer situation. I mean,
(32:50):
the Colts continue to work out veteran edge players and cornerbacks,
particularly edge guys, so that to me is an indicator
if they obviously aren't in love of what they have.
And I was interested Eddie in a way. JT Tuoymalol
kind of had a two week tryout here. Yeah, with
the injuries to Taekwon Lewis and Sampson Abacom, And I
(33:11):
just didn't feel like you got a ton from him, right,
And I get that might be a kind of a
big bar for a rookie, Granted you felt like he
was probably gonna come in and had a college resume
that would compete a little bit more in the NFL.
The quitty pay Arizona game continues to be the outlier.
Like to me, I just don't feel like we've seen
much from him.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
With the attention certainly going to Buckner, and certainly going
to a lot too as well. So you know what
would they give up? I think right in that ballpark
of the third round, fourth round, fifth, you know they
have those three picks. You got to think you're gonna
get something in return for Richardson? You know what does
that look like for you in those middleish rounds? And
(33:54):
again by no means, might you know? I don't know.
Do you think Trey Hendricksons all of a sudden on
the table after they're lost yesterday or no Cincinnati? No?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, he should be, but he won't be.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And again his injury status kind of complicates some some things.
So very very interested to see how all of this
is going to play out over the next thirty six hours.
We'll probably be back with I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Know, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Maybe if they make a deal like the Wednesday morning Element,
if we can kind of get in there.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
If not, we could stick with kind of our Wednesday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This sounds good to me. Are there any sneaky positions
that they could be looking at? Yeah, we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Could they do like another Makai Blackman deal? Ru guy's
got some flexibility between safety and corner if one of
the corners goes down, or maybe offensive line depth.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I mean to me, you
the on line depth, It's not like that's been exposed.
I think they like Jalen Travis and Dalton Tucker and
any pinter. I don't know. I don't. I'm glad you
brought it up because I think it's a good talking point,
but I don't necessarily go anywhere with that. Maybe the
(35:10):
flex in the secondary to your point linebacker?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Is Jalen Carla's coming back anytime soon?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think he is, but I'm not positive. Yeah, that
would be the only other one. But to me, I
continue to go back to at rush And I don't know,
Carl Granderson from the Saints, you know, are the Giants
after another loss? Are they gonna start looking at a
selling at all? Like those would be. I think some
of the areas that I kind of look towards and think,
(35:39):
all right, is there anything that you can explore there
just a little bit more juice? And it might not
be the whatever ten twelve SAT guy, But when you've
got a second wave of pass rushers in the game
and that unit happens to be Russian All of a sudden,
do you feel a little bit better about your death? There
that a guy can impact a little bit because the
cults would be given their interior guys, those edge rushers
(36:03):
should feast and their ability to send quarterbacks, you know,
back into the interior part of the pocket. And well
you would think Sunday again on paper with Atlanta losing
both their guards would be just a great, great opportunity
for it all. So we'll break it all down coming
up on Wednesday with Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen
(36:24):
and Eddie Garrison. Again colts have a normal scheduled this
week until Thursday. The border plane late Thursday night for Berlin,
so everything will be normal up until that point. I
have a walk through over there and take on the
falcons coming up Rahiem Morris and Shane Steichen was that
one too and they head coaching search a few years ago.
M h. I think a lot of people would feel
(36:46):
that way. Eddie, thank you as always, thank you for
listening to Colts Corner with Kevin Bowen. We are signing
off
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