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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are back. It is Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen.
A happy Thanksgiving week to everybody out there. Safe travels.
We will do a Wednesday pop, but I know some
people might not have a chance to get to that,
so certainly, safe travels, and Eddie and I greatly appreciate
you and your listenership. Enjoy the time with family friends.
Pretty good Thursday Thanksgiving slate for the Colts, I'd say,
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good Friday game. Kind of crazy you think Bears and
Eagles are both at eight and three at this point
in the season. Speaking eight and three, that would be
the Colts, and we will recap Colts and Chiefs here.
It is Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen. Eddie Garrison
is across the way. Good morning to you, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good morning. I know you've been discussing Thanksgiving dishes, side dishes,
desserts on the Morning Show in the past week or so,
two weeks even I think I haven't really been able
to catch much of it. So what is your go
to or your favorite Thanksgiving side dish?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well one that I have really grown to love stuffing,
I must say, man, and again I think I've shared
this before I got the palate of a third grader. Honestly,
one of the best things about having kids. I can
just eat the food they don't eat, so chicken nuggets
and mac and cheese. Sure, sure love it. But I
have come around on the Thanksgiving meal. I still find
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it a bit odd that we have this obsession with turkey.
I'm like, if it was this good, why don't we
make it more during the year. But that's neither here
nor there, So yes, I will go team stuffing yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
My mom's why did I say, mum, moms? We were
from Briton. Yeah, I don't know. Like sweet potatoes with
marshmallows on top. Oh my gosh, Oh it sounds delicious.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Send me that recipe.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Uh huh, yeah, I certainly can do that. I'll ask her.
I don't know if she's allowed to share secrets though.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Thanksgiving taste maybe a little different for the Colts after
yesterday they losing overtime, they blow a double digitally with
the ball the fourth quarter. I think that's probably where
the root of the frustration lies. Eddie, is you know
so much of what I mean. If you would have
told anybody start of the day, hey, you're gonna be
up eleven points with the ball and you, when you
think about it, Eddie, think about how the fourth quarter
played out. They had a turnover, you didn't have a turnover.
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They didn't hit you with like the seventy yard punk
return for a touchdown or the you know whatever. You know,
Xavier Worthy hits an eighty yard or over the top
on you and you lose that game. I think that's
where so much of the frustration lies. Obviously, it hurts
you for a number one seed standpoint. Yes, as I
said in last week's spot, if you want away games,
this Sunday matters more than this past one. But still
(02:36):
I get that, you know, you you circle Kansas City
on the calendar. It's a game that means a lot
to people. I totally understand all of that. So a
lot to get to, certainly Shane Steiken, Daniel Jones, Jonathan
Taylor usage the defensive play. But yeah, that's probably just
a'll start there a little bit overall, and it's just
a shrinking AFC picture, you know, if you look at it, Eddie,
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it's just it's starting to get a little tighter. And
you know, New England wins yesterday, so now I'm they're
ten and two and the Bronco and if you look
at New England schedule, it's just a joke. You know,
Jacksonville is a game back. It's just wild to sit
here and say like you might have the same record
as Jacksonville coming up in a week, and even if
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you win on Sunday, Jacksonville's got a believe Tennessee this week.
So you assume Jacksonville wins. If the Jags beat you
a week from Sunday, they technically are in the AFC
South lead, you'll have the same record, and they'll have
won the first game, you know, in that matchup. So
it's just let's get a little tight. You still are
in a nice position. Eight and three, a game up
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on the Jags, two games up on the Texans. One
odd thing I wanted to point out. Not odd thing,
but I guess just thing to note about the AFC
South standings, or just the AFC standings right now, Addie,
before you get in the game, if you look at
the playoffs right now, if it started today, eight nine
and ten aka the three teams right now outside out
of the playoffs, you've lost to eight Pittsburgh, you've lost
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to ten Kansas City, and then nine is Houston. So
if it starts the snowball at all in the negative direction,
which out of losing streak all year long, but if
it starts to things could get dicey real quick. Now
you have had to head over Denver, but again, if
Denver wins the West, it really isn't going to matter
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unless your records show up together. You do have the
head to head over the Chargers. But again there at
seven and four right now, so if some of these
teams outside looking in start to inch closer, those head
to heads would not be there. So just items to
to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
As we break this one down. Let's start with what
you did not like since the Colts lost, and I
think the biggest concern about this one was the approach
of Shane Steiken. Kevin, how many times did you have
we see him go for it on fourth and shorts
and yesterday he looked like a coach that was scared,
timid and was playing not to lose versus with the
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aggressive mindset of always playing to win. And a couple
of those third and shorts are still head scratchers to
me because how many times this year up until you know,
yesterday against Kansas City, have we seen a Tyler Warren
quarterback sneak? Have we seen a Daniel Jones quarterbacks quarterback sneak? Instead,
it felt like they were trying these slow developing runs
and they all got blown up and you just have
(05:27):
to wonder, Like I was wondering this a little bit
on the two runs that Daniel Jones had. And I
know I'm talking about Jones a lot here. He looked
a little off and I don't know how much of
that fibula injury had to you know, went into that
of you know, not moving him around in the pocket
as much and not asking him to do a lot
with his legs. But overall, Shane Steike not a great
performance yesterday from the coldtet coach.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, And you know, I want to be clear, I
thought Stiking got away from Taylor asked about Daniel Jones
was really poor. So I guess we'll start with Stike
in as well. Who is Jonathan Taylor as a football player,
your best player, He's your best player. He's an elite
home run hitter. He's a player that particularly thrives in
the second halves in the fourth quarter. Yeah, and That's
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what I really want to focus on here. There is
an approach with Taylor that a little bit of a
boxing body blow sort of analogy where when things can
be a little tough sledding and maybe the boxes doesn't
look too favorable, Taylor has a special trait to him.
I point to that run in overtime, even Eddie ogle
Tree is the first completion in overtime, and then Taylor
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runs it and he's bottled up with a line of
scrimmage there on that second half play and he breaks
a tackle, runs through a tackle. Next thing you knows,
third and one, like Taylor has that trade. Go back
to the Atlanta game in overtime. Remember when he makes
Jesse Bates miss for the game winner. Remember when he
makes Billy Bowman miss in the backfield mm hmm on
the fringe of field goal range. Again, that is kind
of what makes him special, even when the numbers might
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not be totally favorable. Your ability to have a talent
like that is why you just kind of do the
Michael Jordan shrug at the end of the day and say,
you know what, players overplays. That's at times what Taylor
has created. The numbers are obviously quite evident. But again,
seven and a half yards per carry in the second
half of games, it's nearly three yards better than the
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first half. Even if you take out the eighty yard
runner in Germany in the fourth quarter, he is still
at six yards per carry, even if you take away
that run there. So I probably rank it in this light.
I thought you got away from Taylor a bit. I'm
not asking you to just pound him into the ground
and just force the run like none other. But to me,
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eight straight passes was egregious. I think it exposes Daniel Jones.
I thought the amount of faith that changed Sik and
showed in Daniel Jones was quite odd. Now again, also
you can expect Jones to be better. I want to
point that out too. And then lastly, I'm not a
big clock eating guy like I do think there are
moments in the game where it matters a whole lot.
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But the one drive I thought you could have eight
the clock a little bit more was right when you
got it back in midfield, when your defense got that
stop kind of a three and out, and then you
got the ball back in midfield about five minutes ago.
That was a drive where I thought, okay, if you
are able to a run it or just burn clock
and then b potentially get a first down or two.
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Now you make Kansas City respect the clock. Kansas City
never had to respect the clock. Nope, And so I
think that was what was frustrating about it. I would
say one of the more confusing sequences was the backed
up one. You got backed up there early in the
fourth quarter. Yeah, you run Taylor on first down minus two,
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second and twelve, third and twelve. I thought that was
one of the riskiest sequences I've seen all season. To me,
when you call a pass play in those situations, I'm
probably a loaded up in protection here, go Alec Pierce.
Please completion or incompletion or fifty yard interception. You know
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a lah the Rams game, you know like that, that
sort of kind of chuck it down the field. But
second and twelve, that ball gets tipped to the line
of scrimmage, and I'm thinking that that might be a
lot too all over again for Kansaity. And then third
and twelve. Could think Nick Bolton wasn't looking right. And
then third and twelve, oh man, they were fortunate. I
was thinking safety there with how much that pocket was
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collapsing there. I just thought that was playing with major fire,
like I would have been content with with a give
up call there. You know, Ronoa, Taylor, get Rigo Bertel,
what four more yards out of the end zone to
let your special teams unit be elite? Because the special
teams right now is elite. Like I had no issue
with them punning on fourth and four from midfield. I
know Romo was really aghast about that. It's like, dude,
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Kansa City's offense has turned into check down, Charlie, I
don't know if they can drive, you know, sixty yards
right now, plus your special teams is going to pen
them way way back there. So again I thought you
got away from Taylor. Those drives ended up being a
minute two, a minute ten, and a minute two the
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three drives there and overtime if you want to play
the whole clock game. And you know, if you've got
questions about Daniel Jones's health, which you brought up earlier, Eddie,
I don't know. I feel like I'm judging Miles Turner's
gate run coming out of Texas. There were a couple
scrambles and like when he jogged into halftime even I'm
kind of like ugh. But then there are a couple
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of times he also ran I was like, oh, he
looks fine. So I don't really know. And I guess,
just to clarify with everything on that ended up being
a fibula, he took every rep on Friday at their
final practice of the week. So yeah, I just there
is so much that I like about Chainstiching as a
play caller. And I'm not this one that says, you know, again,
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Jonathan Taylor, you know you must treat it like it's
whatever Miles McLoughlin at Knox High School.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But I do think.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Given his talent, given his second half and fourth quarter pedigree,
there is a bit of a we need ten touches
after halftime for this guy, We need twelve touches after
halftime for that whatever you deem that number is. And again,
it might not be the prettiest thing in the world,
but to quote Chuck Pegano, it's chopping down the tree
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and you never know, you never know when third and
one becomes a twenty seven yard game. You know those
plays are in there, and he's that type of talent. Yeah,
And so that's where I'd like to have seen him
more involved now let's transition to Jones, because Eddie, as
much as Stike and I thought, should have given it
to Taylor a little more. I thought Jones was terrible.
(11:46):
I thought he was awful. What Shane Stiken told us
by allowing Daniel Jones to throw the ball eight straight times,
he told us he believed in him. He told us
he had confidence in him. And I couldn't tell you
how many times I wrote down on my notes, big
drive opportunity, big drive opportunity, big drive opportunity. You know
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all these and again, these are big drive opportunities, Eddie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Not to score.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Sure, score, it's great, but like I'm just talking, get
a first down or two. You get a first down
or two. We're probably talking about a nine to two
football team. So we're not talking you're down three, you're
down four, it's tied, you're down seven. None of those drives,
none of that pressure. It was just a possess the ball,
get a first down or two and that might be enough.
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And so that's where I kind of exit Sunday, think
to myself, this.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Stike in v.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Jones, what are you more concerned about?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think it's Danuel Jones.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm nodding my head, just because stike and you can
theoretically control Shane Stikeen can wake up today and say
what Eddie, Eh, I should have given the ball more
to Jonathan Taylor. That's on me. Yeah, Daniel Jones can
say it's on me. He can say whatever. But when
Daniel Jones goes back out in that same situation, who
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knows the volatility of him as a player is there?
That's less controllable. Again, psyching can control some of the
play calls. Yeah, Daniel Jones is a player executing is
not controlled. Yeah, so that to me, And let's be real,
I mean the dropped interception, I mean, can you imagine
how that would have unfolded? There?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I still know what he saw. There were three of
them right there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I know. So and then big picture, we just we
have this Jones question that now is starting to bubble
a little bit more. You know, the whole thing in
September and October, when you know, people asked, okay, let's
make you know grand Jones take who takeaways? And what
do you think? What do you think? What do you think?
So much of it comes down to, okay, what is repeatable?
(13:55):
What about stringing? Performances together, good or bad. You know,
I want you know, the beautiful thing about the NFL
season is you get seventeen weeks of the evidence. Well,
now lately we've had I would argue three straight games
with some Jones questions, turnovers, sacks, again, general efficiency when
the game was on the line yesterday. Now, obviously the
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Colts have made their bed. They know he's a starter.
You have no choice, you know all of that, But
you know these questions do exist, and we do get
more evidence as the rest of the season. But he's
long and even big picture with your offense. You know,
Jones is what sixty percent yesterday, lowest first down total
of the year, lowest total yardage of the year, and
you know easily should have been picked once, if not twice.
(14:41):
So I think that probably covers everything I wanted to
get to. Jones and Stichen related. Do you have any
more Jones, Sdike and Jonathan Taylor usage.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
When you look at the three losses? What's the what's
the theme in all of them? Between the Rams loss,
the Steelers lost, and yesterday with the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah? Are you going with Taylor?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I Again, I really try to evaluate each game individually,
that's part of it, but the other part of it. Two,
Daniel Jones has had, you know, really bad performances in
each of those three games. Yeah, the turnovers against Pittsburgh,
a couple turnovers against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Wasn't as egregious, But yeah, certainly I can. I can
hear you out a little bit. You have a chance
to win it late and you throw a pick. I'd
have to go back with Pittsburgh. I largely thought Pittsburgh
was the run game had proven to be largely ineffective.
Even when you did give the second half, fourth quarter
touches to Taylor. I didn't think it was as egregious
as this. They need straight passes, and again, to me,
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it's three levels, Eddie. One, it's taking away your best
player who thrives after halftime.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Two, it's asking Daniel Jones. Shane stich And asked Daniel
Jones to do a lot there. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To some people, that should be a fair expectation of
your quarterback. That's fine. I can hear you out on that.
But if I've got the choice of one of the two,
you know I'm not throwing a Tyler Goodson with the
season on the line. If that's kind of the thought
process that I have with that. And then again three
it goes back to the clock, and you can run
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the clock in other ways. You know, hey, here's our
swing screen to whatever downs or warn You know, the
Colts thought their perimeter run game would be effective on Sunday,
and you know, I don't know, maybe call third and
one with Nelson pull in a bit of a perimeter run,
but they really couldn't get anything going there. So again,
I largely think he's a good play call. He got
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Gardner Minshaw and the Colts to get the twenty points
seemingly every game. How great was third and one to dueling? Yeah,
I mean he gets Warren wide ass open seemingly every game.
It's just at times I think it's just a hair
to what I thought of on Tuesday and Wednesday, And
I get there's a fine line in that, but like
ad Mitchell throwing it back to Anthony Richardson in Denver,
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yeah again, you know Goodson with the season on the line,
and then yesterday, it's just a I understand there are
some heavy boxes, trust me, I saw that, But there
is a little bit with Taylor that he has proven
to be better than that at times, and even if
it doesn't necessarily work in that situation, the worst part
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of that would have been, hey, you are running some
clock here, you aren't turning the ball over. M I
mean Joanes should have had at least one, if not
two picks in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You know, to me, I probably point to the drive
backed up as way too risky. And then the drive
in midfield. You know, when he threw the ball in
triple coverage. I thought that was a moment. I believe
that was three straight passes on that drive. I thought
that was the exact opportunity, exact opportunity to burn a
little bit of clock there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
The final thing that you did not not like the
penalties the Colts commit eleven and the lost yesterday for
eighty three yards, and they were just all egregious.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, and when I say penalties, man, I mean the
officiating crew. I thought it's stunk yep. I'm not a
big official guy. I thought the refs were awful. That's
one of my least favorite crews. Oh so true.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I don't know, I don't know his name, but I
was like, uh, that's the crew that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Throws the most flags in the NFL. I saw Nate
Nate Taylor tweet that during the game.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yep, yeah, they were awful.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And to be clear on the rough in the passer,
that to me, I have more of an issue with letter.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of the law. Which one are you talking about? The
Groover one or the law to one Grover?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah a lot too, Okay, whatever that's I don't love it,
to be clear, but whatever we're trying to save, you know,
was it was it Carson Palmer got hit in the
playoff game.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But it was it was a Palmer, was a Brady.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm sure it was Brady as well, but I seem
to go back to Palmer. But anyways, the body weight,
what the hell is goro over shorts supposed to? You
wanted to inject himself with those zimpic every game you
try and all of a sudden avoid falling on Mahomes.
He's a three hundred and thirty pounds individual. I think
it's the dumbest rule. I think it's right up there
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with ejecting guys for targeting.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Even Gene's territory was like I sympathize with with the
defensive players.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yes, could not agree more so, that to me is
not necessarily the officiating crew more of the letter of
the law. I mean I thought a lot of it
was weak.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I thought it was downs should have been that should
have been a flag on downs on the illegal hands
or whatever it was when I don't know Jones checked
out of that player or what. I thought it was
a weak face mass penalty that knocked the Chiefs touchdown
off the board. I didn't agree with the OPI on
Kelsey there late in the game.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But Kelsey did he agreed with it, which.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Was kind of odd. I mean, I don't know why. Yeah,
I don't. Yeah, that one was confusing me. I thought
Jermaine Pratt got away with a little bit of a
hold on the running back coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
On one of those.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So yeah, i'd sep the efficient crew stunk.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What'd you think of the pass rush before we transition
to what you did? Like because we talked about it
after you you acquire for sast Gardener, there's gonna be
these covered sacks between him and Mooney Ward and Kenny
Kenny Moore. There were none of those yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, So I I largely think when you face Mahomes,
you're reaching into the filing cabinet for something very specific. Now,
if you want me to answer the question, I didn't
think the past rush was particularly effective at all. Like
every time I'm watching Quity pay rush, Eddie, I just
feel like he's engaging with the offensive tackle and the
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offensive tackle sime' him. That's how I see those rushes
going now. I mean, again is the plan with Mahomes, like, hey,
don't rush up field, keep them confined in that pocket.
Blah blah blah. I mean he does such a great
job of extension. I mean we know that full well,
it's been his entire career. I don't know the tree.
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I guess to move over to the defense. I mean
you forced Mahomes in a check down, Charlie. They were
one of six in the red zone. How great were
the lat too in Franklin turnovers? I mean the law
too interception is just insane athoughtic play. I love Anarroumo
dialing that up and that hey we haven't backed up.
They're gonna want to get rid of the ball quick.
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Let's take our best pass rusher, Let's get him into
one of those quick rhythm windows, and let's see what happens.
And he has Rice. If you look at it, he's
got Rice Mahomes, but boom, there's a lot too making
just an exceptional play that's seven points, and then obviously Franklin,
you know, has that huge strip there. I thought the
game was largely over after that, So I I felt
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that the defense largely did enough. There is part of
me that it's like, if you would have told me
on Friday, Eddie Mahomes is gonna throw for the most
passing yards he has had in thirty five straight games,
mm hmm, I would have been like, really against this secondary,
are you sure.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They did it in the unconventional way? Yeah? It was.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that is probably a good way to put it, because.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
If you look at just how they've performed like this year,
they have not attacked the middle of the field like
at all. It's been all downfield or it's been checkdowns
like that's been their offense through the passing game. And
then the Colts went full man and they're like, all right,
we're just gonna run it, you know, a blank ton
of you know, crossing routes and drags and picks and
all this other stuff. And next thing you know, you've
got Rashi Rice going for over one hundred yards on
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just yards after catch.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And again the offense gave them zero complimentary help in
the fourth quarter. Zero. Can I still say I don't
love giving up a ninety yard drive with the game
on the line, Yeah, you can say that. So again
that's just a little bit of frustrating element to it.
But you know, the defense, I don't want to There's
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a reason why I haven't mentioned it for until half
hour into this podcast, you know, like I want to
be clear that, Yeah, the blame isn't that big, and
the Mahomes file, I think is different than a lot
of teams. And I don't expect Houston, even with CJ.
Strout and Nico Collins, to come in here and do
a lot. I think the Colts should be built to
slow that down.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Let's shift now to what you did. Like you mentioned
Laotu Latu. He had the pick early that set the
Colts up with that first and goal from like the
two yard line. I thought both linebackers were fantastic bo
Zaia Franklin and Jermain Pratt yesterday, but you single out
lat too in Zaire.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, just those are huge, huge, huge plays, particularly if
the result is different. You know, I know directly they
didn't turn itself into points, but Eddie called those what
seven for la tuo, I would say. And then on
the Franklin play, that's a three to seven play, so
right there, that's ten to fourteen points. However, you want
to look at that. And the Colts got on the
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football too. You know, that was a bouncing football on
the hunt that could have gone either way there, So
you know, I know Zaire, you know mentioned or I
had a couple of misstackles early, but I thought he
made some nice plays as the game moved along. And
I believe the announcer said that was the Chief's first
lost fumble this season as well, so that kind of
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adds to it. So it seems like it's risky to
live off those sorts of plays, But it does seem
like the Cults find those plays more than I can
recall them finding. I mean a lot too. Now has
three of them. You think about cambining them in Germany,
you know, those sorts of plays, It seems like this
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team has done a great job of finding them throughout
the season. So yeah, I wanted to make sure that
I singled them at singled those out as.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Stuff I liked, and then the special teams. I think
this was the first time we've put the special teams
in this category in the season.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Shout out Brian Mason, special teams coordinator. I mean that
man is psychotic when it comes to dissecting the special teams.
I think I've told the story before, or he was
at Notre Dame prior to coming here. People in Notre
Dame raved about him, raved about him, and were you know,
you don't see it often necessarily a college special teams
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coordinator immediately going to the NFL. I don't think him
in Psyche had any direct ties prior to that. I
just think the cults are creating so much hidden yardage,
so much hitting yardage in both the coverage and the
return game. Obviously you had the big plays recently kick
return rise, but Anthony Gould got a couple of nice
punt returns yesterday him back in the lineup, and I
(25:32):
just think their coverage units are so sound. There's so
many different guys really Goodson Ogle Tree, uh Laquon Treadwell. Obviously, Doolan,
you hope that his hamstring injuries in't anything too severe there,
and Rico Bertel Sanchez continues to be an absolute weapon
when it comes to punting the football. How big was
that Puny had out of his own end zone?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, and the coverage you got off of that.
So again, I know it's not the most eye popping
thing necessary to talk about, but I feel like the
cultures saving or creating I'd call it five ish first
downs a game based off they're special teams. I think
you got a couple off off the return game yesterday,
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and I think you had a couple, you know, limiting
or making Kansas City get an extra first down offensively
based off what you did with your coverage units. So great,
great work, great, great, great, great work.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Anything else you want to add on what you like
before we get into twitter questions.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
No, I just think you need to target Alec Pierce
a few more times.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I agree. Two.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I just I think right now, if I am Shane
Seichin each week and Warren is knocking on the door
of this, but I would think to myself as a
game planner, I think it's it's coming to the point
where Taylor needs X amount of touches in the second
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half and Pierce needs X amount of targets. A game.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Those players possess special traits, game breaking traits, you know. Naturally,
I think Warren's gonna find I mean, how many Warren
have your shows of five catches? I think so Like, naturally,
Warren's gonna get his, but more than Pittman, more than downs,
more than the other tight ends. I just think Taylor
in the second half and then Pierce overall is necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, five for forty five for Warren, five for twenty
seven and a touchdown for Pittman won for twenty six
on those two targets for Pierce and then downs two
for ten and six targets.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Moiley Cox's out snapping downs is a bit odd to me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Mm hmm. Just felt like, uh, Josh Doowns is only
in there on those third downs.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and you know you would think more Moiley Cox
would have been more run focused, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's get intowitter questions starting with Isaac. Why does Shane
Stiken forget he has the best running back in the league.
Seemingly every week he is so quick to abandon the run.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, and you know this gets in the overall debate
Isaac about players over plays, And I think I've said
this throughout the podcast, but to reiterate it, I'm good
with a little wrinkle for a guy or two, you
know again dueling on third and one. Like, I think
that's what makes Shane sich and a really strong play caller.
Is dialing some of that stuff up. But when he
(28:26):
says throw to score, run to win and then goes
against it, and I didn't think he I thought he
let Kansas City off the hook. Prove to me you
can still stop in the fourth quarter. Prove to me
because I have a guy right here that can make
people miss. That's special.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, that's a home run hitter.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And it's not like Daniel Jones was hot. I mean,
like Daniel Jones stats were fine at halftime, but did
you get the impression he was a hot quarterback?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean he had a nice methodical dinking dunk largely
first couple quarters and then if you want to play
the clock game, that could have been part of it
as well.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah. Uh, Jacob. But by the way I thought Tony
Romo was when at halftime they were coming out to
start second half and he made the comment about, you know,
the Colts, this is going to be all on Daniel
Jones here in the second half, because you know, you've
utilized pretty your the stuff that you had the bye
week to prepare in the first half, and now it's
all on you to figure it out. Because he was like,
(29:28):
he decided that you used Moley Cox in the first half,
you need to catch your pass, you used uh Older
Tree in the end zone, you used dueling on a
big catch. So like he felt like that Shane Stikeen
had used the plays that he had schemed up. Be're like, hey,
you're not looking for this, and next thing, you know,
it was all on you know what you've put on
tape in that entire second half, and the Chiefs just
(29:49):
had the answers for it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I heard that comment as well, and I thought it
was okay, well then ride your horse, yeah, or give
your horse, you know, a couple more times, you know, really,
if you want to go back to it, Eddie after
the twenty seven yard run, there's a little bit even
there where you start to go away with that as well.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, Jacob's question, I'm upset about losing to the Chiefs.
To me, this was a prove it game? Are you
elite or not? Game? If you want to be the best.
You have to be able to beat the best, and
I just feel like the Colts squandered this opportunity. Am
I overreacting? Or are the Cults going to go back
(30:29):
to mediocrity? Now? Thanks for all you guys do.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Jacob, thanks the question. Man, I hear you. You know,
I get Eddie. If you look at the schedule, I
guess oddly your three losses are all the Hall of
Fame quarterbacks, right yeah, Stafford, Rogers and Homes, And I
get those quarterbacks had some different games within those, But
you know, you look at the schedule the rest of
the way, I don't know if you face any elite quarterbacks.
(30:57):
I'd say you face some slightly above average quarterbacks. If
we're really gonna tear some qbs out Stroud, Lawrence, we'll
see about San Francisco. I assume Purty, and then of
course Darnold. So you know that's where I kind of
look at it right now. You know, I'll go back
to what I said earlier. Obviously you'd rather have the
(31:18):
Texans win than this. I get psychologically, some people might
rather have the Kansas City win because maybe it carries
more weight when he an arrowhead and against Mahomes. But
I think when you have one A division title in
the decade, you have to start there. And maybe we
got too greedy, maybe that they got too greedy, and
kind of how the AFC South was viewed. And you know, Jacob,
(31:43):
you will likely have another opportunity like this. If the
playoff started today, you'd host Jacksonville as that sound right? Sure, Gosh,
it's crazy to think the Ravens are now back atop
of the AFC North. It's all coming just like that,
they are back at you know, so you know you
might have you I'd be hosting Allan and the Bills
round one. Now, I do think yesterday really hurt where
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you're at from a number one seed standpoint, and so
you know that I do think is probably a frustrating
element to it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You'd be hosting Buffalo. Buffalo is the sixth seed. Buffalo
is the seven. The top seed gets the buye. Remember
so two plays eight, right, right.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But denvers the two right, Denver at nine and two? Yeah,
Buffalo denversus two of the cults of the three.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Right now, Yeah, Pittsburgh's eight. So when when Denver play Pittsburgh,
the Colts would play.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Buffalo so one gets the buy, two place seven?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Correct? Two would play eight?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Only seven?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Make it? I thought eight? Did? I'm an idiot?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
One team gets the buy?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Why am I thinking there's eight?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I don't know eight. Eight would seem to be normal
in the NBA. I guess eight in the NBA MLB.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's probably why.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But yeah it goes one by two place, seven, three place, six,
four place.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Thanks for educating me to take care. Oh, trust me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
In the NFL what they changed it up right around
the COVID year. That's why the by, I think is
so important because there's only one team that gets out
of that wildcard weekend there. So yeah, Jacob, again, I
understand where you're coming from, and I get there's not
tons of these opportunities that you prevent themselves. But let's
not think for a second here, there's not other massive
games the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It might not be Mahomes and Reed and Arrowhead, but
there are some huge games the rest of the year
to earn the right to potentially have another one of these.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah. Oh, thanks for correcting me there, Kevin. By the way,
Chris would like to know why is it that sheen
ssyching does not understand certain adjustments. If you know the
defense is blitzing, why not bring a better counter to
beat it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I guess this is the other side of the
fourth quarter from yesterday, Addie. If you want to look
at it numerically, a lot of there are some people
that sit there and say, hey, throwing it was the
right idea. So you know, when you have eight straight passes,
what do they have? Thirteen yards on those eight passes? Yeah,
I believe that's what it. And this gets back to
(34:01):
the Daniel Jones thing here is like, wait, you're telling
me on four straight drives you couldn't get one first down?
And we grade quarterbacks more in the fourth quarter. And
this falls back into our conversation we had a little
bit earlier of you're more worried about Shane Stiken or
you're more worried about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Jones?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Stiken can control a little bit of the play calling,
especially since you committed two first round picks. Right, you
have made your bet. Yeah, Daniel Jones is here?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Who is he? That's what we're trying to find out.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
What tier?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know, I just got into the tiers of quarterbacks.
You've got in the final six games? Where is he at?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean part of it is contractually, yeah, I am
curious about that, but part of it is because, you know,
do you have a guy that you feel like you
can be in January football and win in January football?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
With Where'd you get that hat?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I found it online? I got fed into one of
those Instagram ads.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Really.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, the hat is big? Third down here. I cannot
tell you how many times I yelled at to Matty
Bowen and she probably is like, yeah, I get it.
Aren't they all big? By the way, did you see
Andrew Luck's reaction?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
That was great?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I loved it in the Stanford game. Yeah, and I
one thing I know, but Andrew Luck, that man hates
Notre Dame hates them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Really, He's gonna want.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Blood come Saturday night. That was awesome to watch. Got
out the Frank right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Two games not two games left, but two Twitter questions
left Hey KB after hearing a Mooney ward describe how
he thought he might have been done with football due
to his last concussion. Is this something that pushed the
Sauce Gardner trade even more? Glad Mooney is feeling better?
Go Colts Never missed the pot. Appreciate all your hard work.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Justin second to none. We are thankful for all of
you here, but especially the loyal, loyal ones here. We
appreciate it. We know there's tons of podcasts to listen to,
a great podcast out there, so thank you for that. Yeah,
let's get into Mooney Ward right here, Eddie and I
want to go back to Friday. You know, he clear
concussion protocol met the media. I appreciate his transparency and
(36:07):
at the same time, it was a bit jarring listening
to him describe as concussion symptoms. Basically, he called the
first one more of a migraine. He called the second
one runningto ogule Tree. He said he was knocked out,
said he had dizziness for multiple weeks and puking, and
he thought to himself, will I ever play football again? So,
(36:28):
I mean, those are some big symptoms in a big conversation. Boy,
I got nervous when he took that hit yesterday, Eddie.
I believe he clarified after the game he's told the
guy's boots on the ground there in Kansas City that
it was more of a hit to the chest than
a helmet. But damn, I oh gosh, I want to
(36:52):
turn off injuries for everybody, but especially that guy. Now,
how did it impact the trade? I don't that's a
good question. You know, Buckner of course the neck injury
and played in this. By the way, Shane Sakin feels
very optimistic on buck and returning this season. I think
I was maybe a nugget lost on Friday that I
wanted to make sure we stuck in here.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
As far as Ward is concerned, he said he really
didn't start feeling better. So the bye, well, the bye
was after the Gardener trade.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I don't. I don't think you make such a massive
franchise altering move just because of injury or health statuses
on the forest Buckner and Moody Ward like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean that is a I mean, those are some
you better believe in the player. You better believe in
the quarterback and the player being Gardener all that. By
the way, saus Gardner doesn't strike me as a guy
that wants to tackle.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That is the one of the that was one of
the problems with him in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, they're not paying him to tackle. I'm just so
used to Colts corners being good tacklers, so watching him
try and tackle is a little bit different for me.
So yeah, I I that was. That was wild to
frankly listen to Moody war describe all of that there.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, it was. It was pretty uh eye opening because
when you look around the league. I mean the guy
that I immediately thought of was Chris Olave with New Orleans.
Like the guy had like four concussions and like or
five concussions in the previous two seasons combined, And it's
just like, WHOA you think that at times about Ryan Kelly,
you know lately with all the ones he's gonna pile.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Up any concerned Houston ten days off, Colt Stephen's just
played ninety snaps.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I hope not. You got time to rest between Colts
go walk.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Through Wednesday, by the way, they you know, we've seen
them understriking. I think a lot of teams to do
this kind of adopt a little bit of the walk
through mindset late in the season on a Wednesday. So
they'll go walk through Wednesday early practice, Thanksgiven Thursday as
they return home. Weirdly, it's their only home game in
like a seven week stretch.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, I know, uh, Tampa Bay's been doing that for
the last month just because of how depleted they've been.
I know San Francisco's done the same for the last
couple of weeks as well, because they've had so many injuries.
But they're starting to get healthier. Final Twitter questions from Benji.
Starting to think Jim Bob Cooter would make a great
head coach if the Colts keep winning, he might get
a shot. How would you rate his chances and or potential. Secondly,
(39:15):
my brother in law, Patrick is now a regular listener
of the podcast. Will you give him a shout out? Yes, Benji,
thank you for listening. Patrick. What took you so long?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Patrick, Let's go. Thank you very much for listening. Benji.
As always as loyal as they come, we appreciate that.
Jim Bob Brany, dude, brainy dude. I think Peyton would
sign off on it. I think Matthew Stafford probably sign
off on it. You know, I've said this before about
(39:44):
the whole non play caller you know, hiring non play
caller as a head coach. You can point the times
it's worked, you can point the times that it hasn't worked,
you know, with Sirianni. I remember saying this. I do
think when Sirianni took the job in Philly, I did think, okay,
the whole le of men. I do feel like Sirianni
has that attribute necessarily to him. Jim Bob, it's a
(40:07):
little bit more of an unsure just based off his personality.
And again, I mean, I'm not gonna pretend to know
the dude super super well, but I do think that's
an important quality that if I were making highers, I
would have hesitancy about non play callers. What's his name
in Tennessee? Uh, you know Callahan. It kind of just
fell into that same boat.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
There a lot of issues with Callahan, right.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And some of these guys work out, you know. I
am curious about Lou and a Roumo.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Do we see him?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Does he fall back into the coaching cycle? You know,
I know his name has been thrown around with New York.
I think he was with New York for a year.
Does that name get thrown around a little bit there?
But yeah, I guess where I saw Jim Bob's name
was mentioned, I think on one of those coaching lists.
So about time for those things to uh get back
underway with the closest promote Alex Tanney. That what they
(40:56):
would do?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, maybe Reggie Wayne, would they vote him?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Tony Soprano Jr. Would you promote him?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah? Those are options. Uh, Mike Kafka gonna do it
all in New York. Now he's going to be the
head coach O C and DC.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
He did he fire Bowen?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah? They fired Bowen. I don't know if that Yeah,
by the way, would that be him firing Shan Bowen
or would that be Joe Sheane's that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All right, you got anything else?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
I've got nothing. Have a great Thanksgiving, all.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Right, Colts Texans. Coming up this week, we will have
your coverage one on seven five of the Fan again
probably short pod will come back with on Wednesday, but yes,
for those that are not going to be tuning in
at our second part of the week, save travel. So everybody,
have a great, great Thanksgiving, enjoy the awesome slate coming
up Thursday and Friday. We'll talk to you next. It
is Colt's Corner with Kevin Bowen signing off.
We are back. It is Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen.
A happy Thanksgiving week to everybody out there. Safe travels.
We will do a Wednesday pop, but I know some
people might not have a chance to get to that,
so certainly, safe travels, and Eddie and I greatly appreciate
you and your listenership. Enjoy the time with family friends.
Pretty good Thursday Thanksgiving slate for the Colts, I'd say,
(00:20):
good Friday game. Kind of crazy you think Bears and
Eagles are both at eight and three at this point
in the season. Speaking eight and three, that would be
the Colts, and we will recap Colts and Chiefs here.
It is Colts Corner with myself, Kevin Bowen. Eddie Garrison
is across the way. Good morning to you, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good morning. I know you've been discussing Thanksgiving dishes, side dishes,
desserts on the Morning Show in the past week or so,
two weeks even I think I haven't really been able
to catch much of it. So what is your go
to or your favorite Thanksgiving side dish?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well one that I have really grown to love stuffing,
I must say, man, and again I think I've shared
this before I got the palate of a third grader. Honestly,
one of the best things about having kids. I can
just eat the food they don't eat, so chicken nuggets
and mac and cheese. Sure, sure love it. But I
have come around on the Thanksgiving meal. I still find
(01:18):
it a bit odd that we have this obsession with turkey.
I'm like, if it was this good, why don't we
make it more during the year. But that's neither here
nor there, So yes, I will go team stuffing yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
My mom's why did I say, mum, moms? We were
from Briton. Yeah, I don't know. Like sweet potatoes with
marshmallows on top. Oh my gosh, Oh it sounds delicious.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Send me that recipe.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Uh huh, yeah, I certainly can do that. I'll ask her.
I don't know if she's allowed to share secrets though.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Thanksgiving taste maybe a little different for the Colts after
yesterday they losing overtime, they blow a double digitally with
the ball the fourth quarter. I think that's probably where
the root of the frustration lies. Eddie, is you know
so much of what I mean. If you would have
told anybody start of the day, hey, you're gonna be
up eleven points with the ball and you, when you
think about it, Eddie, think about how the fourth quarter
played out. They had a turnover, you didn't have a turnover.
(02:15):
They didn't hit you with like the seventy yard punk
return for a touchdown or the you know whatever. You know,
Xavier Worthy hits an eighty yard or over the top
on you and you lose that game. I think that's
where so much of the frustration lies. Obviously, it hurts
you for a number one seed standpoint. Yes, as I
said in last week's spot, if you want away games,
this Sunday matters more than this past one. But still
(02:36):
I get that, you know, you you circle Kansas City
on the calendar. It's a game that means a lot
to people. I totally understand all of that. So a
lot to get to, certainly Shane Steiken, Daniel Jones, Jonathan
Taylor usage the defensive play. But yeah, that's probably just
a'll start there a little bit overall, and it's just
a shrinking AFC picture, you know, if you look at it, Eddie,
(02:58):
it's just it's starting to get a little tighter. And
you know, New England wins yesterday, so now I'm they're
ten and two and the Bronco and if you look
at New England schedule, it's just a joke. You know,
Jacksonville is a game back. It's just wild to sit
here and say like you might have the same record
as Jacksonville coming up in a week, and even if
(03:19):
you win on Sunday, Jacksonville's got a believe Tennessee this week.
So you assume Jacksonville wins. If the Jags beat you
a week from Sunday, they technically are in the AFC
South lead, you'll have the same record, and they'll have
won the first game, you know, in that matchup. So
it's just let's get a little tight. You still are
in a nice position. Eight and three, a game up
(03:40):
on the Jags, two games up on the Texans. One
odd thing I wanted to point out. Not odd thing,
but I guess just thing to note about the AFC
South standings, or just the AFC standings right now, Addie,
before you get in the game, if you look at
the playoffs right now, if it started today, eight nine
and ten aka the three teams right now outside out
of the playoffs, you've lost to eight Pittsburgh, you've lost
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to ten Kansas City, and then nine is Houston. So
if it starts the snowball at all in the negative direction,
which out of losing streak all year long, but if
it starts to things could get dicey real quick. Now
you have had to head over Denver, but again, if
Denver wins the West, it really isn't going to matter
(04:27):
unless your records show up together. You do have the
head to head over the Chargers. But again there at
seven and four right now, so if some of these
teams outside looking in start to inch closer, those head
to heads would not be there. So just items to
to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
As we break this one down. Let's start with what
you did not like since the Colts lost, and I
think the biggest concern about this one was the approach
of Shane Steiken. Kevin, how many times did you have
we see him go for it on fourth and shorts
and yesterday he looked like a coach that was scared,
timid and was playing not to lose versus with the
(05:05):
aggressive mindset of always playing to win. And a couple
of those third and shorts are still head scratchers to
me because how many times this year up until you know,
yesterday against Kansas City, have we seen a Tyler Warren
quarterback sneak? Have we seen a Daniel Jones quarterbacks quarterback sneak? Instead,
it felt like they were trying these slow developing runs
and they all got blown up and you just have
(05:27):
to wonder, Like I was wondering this a little bit
on the two runs that Daniel Jones had. And I
know I'm talking about Jones a lot here. He looked
a little off and I don't know how much of
that fibula injury had to you know, went into that
of you know, not moving him around in the pocket
as much and not asking him to do a lot
with his legs. But overall, Shane Steike not a great
performance yesterday from the coldtet coach.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, And you know, I want to be clear, I
thought Stiking got away from Taylor asked about Daniel Jones
was really poor. So I guess we'll start with Stike
in as well. Who is Jonathan Taylor as a football player,
your best player, He's your best player. He's an elite
home run hitter. He's a player that particularly thrives in
the second halves in the fourth quarter. Yeah, and That's
(06:10):
what I really want to focus on here. There is
an approach with Taylor that a little bit of a
boxing body blow sort of analogy where when things can
be a little tough sledding and maybe the boxes doesn't
look too favorable, Taylor has a special trait to him.
I point to that run in overtime, even Eddie ogle
Tree is the first completion in overtime, and then Taylor
(06:31):
runs it and he's bottled up with a line of
scrimmage there on that second half play and he breaks
a tackle, runs through a tackle. Next thing you knows,
third and one, like Taylor has that trade. Go back
to the Atlanta game in overtime. Remember when he makes
Jesse Bates miss for the game winner. Remember when he
makes Billy Bowman miss in the backfield mm hmm on
the fringe of field goal range. Again, that is kind
of what makes him special, even when the numbers might
(06:53):
not be totally favorable. Your ability to have a talent
like that is why you just kind of do the
Michael Jordan shrug at the end of the day and say,
you know what, players overplays. That's at times what Taylor
has created. The numbers are obviously quite evident. But again,
seven and a half yards per carry in the second
half of games, it's nearly three yards better than the
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first half. Even if you take out the eighty yard
runner in Germany in the fourth quarter, he is still
at six yards per carry, even if you take away
that run there. So I probably rank it in this light.
I thought you got away from Taylor a bit. I'm
not asking you to just pound him into the ground
and just force the run like none other. But to me,
(07:37):
eight straight passes was egregious. I think it exposes Daniel Jones.
I thought the amount of faith that changed Sik and
showed in Daniel Jones was quite odd. Now again, also
you can expect Jones to be better. I want to
point that out too. And then lastly, I'm not a
big clock eating guy like I do think there are
moments in the game where it matters a whole lot.
(07:59):
But the one drive I thought you could have eight
the clock a little bit more was right when you
got it back in midfield, when your defense got that
stop kind of a three and out, and then you
got the ball back in midfield about five minutes ago.
That was a drive where I thought, okay, if you
are able to a run it or just burn clock
and then b potentially get a first down or two.
(08:23):
Now you make Kansas City respect the clock. Kansas City
never had to respect the clock. Nope, And so I
think that was what was frustrating about it. I would
say one of the more confusing sequences was the backed
up one. You got backed up there early in the
fourth quarter. Yeah, you run Taylor on first down minus two,
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second and twelve, third and twelve. I thought that was
one of the riskiest sequences I've seen all season. To me,
when you call a pass play in those situations, I'm
probably a loaded up in protection here, go Alec Pierce.
Please completion or incompletion or fifty yard interception. You know
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a lah the Rams game, you know like that, that
sort of kind of chuck it down the field. But
second and twelve, that ball gets tipped to the line
of scrimmage, and I'm thinking that that might be a
lot too all over again for Kansaity. And then third
and twelve. Could think Nick Bolton wasn't looking right. And
then third and twelve, oh man, they were fortunate. I
was thinking safety there with how much that pocket was
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collapsing there. I just thought that was playing with major fire,
like I would have been content with with a give
up call there. You know, Ronoa, Taylor, get Rigo Bertel,
what four more yards out of the end zone to
let your special teams unit be elite? Because the special
teams right now is elite. Like I had no issue
with them punning on fourth and four from midfield. I
know Romo was really aghast about that. It's like, dude,
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Kansa City's offense has turned into check down, Charlie, I
don't know if they can drive, you know, sixty yards
right now, plus your special teams is going to pen
them way way back there. So again I thought you
got away from Taylor. Those drives ended up being a
minute two, a minute ten, and a minute two the
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three drives there and overtime if you want to play
the whole clock game. And you know, if you've got
questions about Daniel Jones's health, which you brought up earlier, Eddie,
I don't know. I feel like I'm judging Miles Turner's
gate run coming out of Texas. There were a couple
scrambles and like when he jogged into halftime even I'm
kind of like ugh. But then there are a couple
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of times he also ran I was like, oh, he
looks fine. So I don't really know. And I guess,
just to clarify with everything on that ended up being
a fibula, he took every rep on Friday at their
final practice of the week. So yeah, I just there
is so much that I like about Chainstiching as a
play caller. And I'm not this one that says, you know, again,
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Jonathan Taylor, you know you must treat it like it's
whatever Miles McLoughlin at Knox High School.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But I do think.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Given his talent, given his second half and fourth quarter pedigree,
there is a bit of a we need ten touches
after halftime for this guy, We need twelve touches after
halftime for that whatever you deem that number is. And again,
it might not be the prettiest thing in the world,
but to quote Chuck Pegano, it's chopping down the tree
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and you never know, you never know when third and
one becomes a twenty seven yard game. You know those
plays are in there, and he's that type of talent. Yeah,
And so that's where I'd like to have seen him
more involved now let's transition to Jones, because Eddie, as
much as Stike and I thought, should have given it
to Taylor a little more. I thought Jones was terrible.
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I thought he was awful. What Shane Stiken told us
by allowing Daniel Jones to throw the ball eight straight times,
he told us he believed in him. He told us
he had confidence in him. And I couldn't tell you
how many times I wrote down on my notes, big
drive opportunity, big drive opportunity, big drive opportunity. You know
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all these and again, these are big drive opportunities, Eddie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Not to score.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Sure, score, it's great, but like I'm just talking, get
a first down or two. You get a first down
or two. We're probably talking about a nine to two
football team. So we're not talking you're down three, you're
down four, it's tied, you're down seven. None of those drives,
none of that pressure. It was just a possess the ball,
get a first down or two and that might be enough.
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And so that's where I kind of exit Sunday, think
to myself, this.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Stike in v.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Jones, what are you more concerned about?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think it's Danuel Jones.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm nodding my head, just because stike and you can
theoretically control Shane Stikeen can wake up today and say
what Eddie, Eh, I should have given the ball more
to Jonathan Taylor. That's on me. Yeah, Daniel Jones can
say it's on me. He can say whatever. But when
Daniel Jones goes back out in that same situation, who
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knows the volatility of him as a player is there?
That's less controllable. Again, psyching can control some of the
play calls. Yeah, Daniel Jones is a player executing is
not controlled. Yeah, so that to me, And let's be real,
I mean the dropped interception, I mean, can you imagine
how that would have unfolded? There?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I still know what he saw. There were three of
them right there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I know. So and then big picture, we just we
have this Jones question that now is starting to bubble
a little bit more. You know, the whole thing in
September and October, when you know, people asked, okay, let's
make you know grand Jones take who takeaways? And what
do you think? What do you think? What do you think?
So much of it comes down to, okay, what is repeatable?
(13:55):
What about stringing? Performances together, good or bad. You know,
I want you know, the beautiful thing about the NFL
season is you get seventeen weeks of the evidence. Well,
now lately we've had I would argue three straight games
with some Jones questions, turnovers, sacks, again, general efficiency when
the game was on the line yesterday. Now, obviously the
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Colts have made their bed. They know he's a starter.
You have no choice, you know all of that, But
you know these questions do exist, and we do get
more evidence as the rest of the season. But he's
long and even big picture with your offense. You know,
Jones is what sixty percent yesterday, lowest first down total
of the year, lowest total yardage of the year, and
you know easily should have been picked once, if not twice.
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So I think that probably covers everything I wanted to
get to. Jones and Stichen related. Do you have any
more Jones, Sdike and Jonathan Taylor usage.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
When you look at the three losses? What's the what's
the theme in all of them? Between the Rams loss,
the Steelers lost, and yesterday with the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah? Are you going with Taylor?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I Again, I really try to evaluate each game individually,
that's part of it, but the other part of it. Two,
Daniel Jones has had, you know, really bad performances in
each of those three games. Yeah, the turnovers against Pittsburgh,
a couple turnovers against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Wasn't as egregious, But yeah, certainly I can. I can
hear you out a little bit. You have a chance
to win it late and you throw a pick. I'd
have to go back with Pittsburgh. I largely thought Pittsburgh
was the run game had proven to be largely ineffective.
Even when you did give the second half, fourth quarter
touches to Taylor. I didn't think it was as egregious
as this. They need straight passes, and again, to me,
(15:43):
it's three levels, Eddie. One, it's taking away your best
player who thrives after halftime.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Two, it's asking Daniel Jones. Shane stich And asked Daniel
Jones to do a lot there. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To some people, that should be a fair expectation of
your quarterback. That's fine. I can hear you out on that.
But if I've got the choice of one of the two,
you know I'm not throwing a Tyler Goodson with the
season on the line. If that's kind of the thought
process that I have with that. And then again three
it goes back to the clock, and you can run
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the clock in other ways. You know, hey, here's our
swing screen to whatever downs or warn You know, the
Colts thought their perimeter run game would be effective on Sunday,
and you know, I don't know, maybe call third and
one with Nelson pull in a bit of a perimeter run,
but they really couldn't get anything going there. So again,
I largely think he's a good play call. He got
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Gardner Minshaw and the Colts to get the twenty points
seemingly every game. How great was third and one to dueling? Yeah,
I mean he gets Warren wide ass open seemingly every game.
It's just at times I think it's just a hair
to what I thought of on Tuesday and Wednesday, And
I get there's a fine line in that, but like
ad Mitchell throwing it back to Anthony Richardson in Denver,
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yeah again, you know Goodson with the season on the line,
and then yesterday, it's just a I understand there are
some heavy boxes, trust me, I saw that, But there
is a little bit with Taylor that he has proven
to be better than that at times, and even if
it doesn't necessarily work in that situation, the worst part
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of that would have been, hey, you are running some
clock here, you aren't turning the ball over. M I
mean Joanes should have had at least one, if not
two picks in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You know, to me, I probably point to the drive
backed up as way too risky. And then the drive
in midfield. You know, when he threw the ball in
triple coverage. I thought that was a moment. I believe
that was three straight passes on that drive. I thought
that was the exact opportunity, exact opportunity to burn a
little bit of clock there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
The final thing that you did not not like the
penalties the Colts commit eleven and the lost yesterday for
eighty three yards, and they were just all egregious.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, and when I say penalties, man, I mean the
officiating crew. I thought it's stunk yep. I'm not a
big official guy. I thought the refs were awful. That's
one of my least favorite crews. Oh so true.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I don't know, I don't know his name, but I
was like, uh, that's the crew that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Throws the most flags in the NFL. I saw Nate
Nate Taylor tweet that during the game.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yep, yeah, they were awful.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And to be clear on the rough in the passer,
that to me, I have more of an issue with letter.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of the law. Which one are you talking about? The
Groover one or the law to one Grover?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah a lot too, Okay, whatever that's I don't love it,
to be clear, but whatever we're trying to save, you know,
was it was it Carson Palmer got hit in the
playoff game.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But it was it was a Palmer, was a Brady.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm sure it was Brady as well, but I seem
to go back to Palmer. But anyways, the body weight,
what the hell is goro over shorts supposed to? You
wanted to inject himself with those zimpic every game you
try and all of a sudden avoid falling on Mahomes.
He's a three hundred and thirty pounds individual. I think
it's the dumbest rule. I think it's right up there
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with ejecting guys for targeting.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Even Gene's territory was like I sympathize with with the
defensive players.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yes, could not agree more so, that to me is
not necessarily the officiating crew more of the letter of
the law. I mean I thought a lot of it
was weak.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I thought it was downs should have been that should
have been a flag on downs on the illegal hands
or whatever it was when I don't know Jones checked
out of that player or what. I thought it was
a weak face mass penalty that knocked the Chiefs touchdown
off the board. I didn't agree with the OPI on
Kelsey there late in the game.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But Kelsey did he agreed with it, which.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Was kind of odd. I mean, I don't know why. Yeah,
I don't. Yeah, that one was confusing me. I thought
Jermaine Pratt got away with a little bit of a
hold on the running back coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
On one of those.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So yeah, i'd sep the efficient crew stunk.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What'd you think of the pass rush before we transition
to what you did? Like because we talked about it
after you you acquire for sast Gardener, there's gonna be
these covered sacks between him and Mooney Ward and Kenny
Kenny Moore. There were none of those yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, So I I largely think when you face Mahomes,
you're reaching into the filing cabinet for something very specific. Now,
if you want me to answer the question, I didn't
think the past rush was particularly effective at all. Like
every time I'm watching Quity pay rush, Eddie, I just
feel like he's engaging with the offensive tackle and the
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offensive tackle sime' him. That's how I see those rushes
going now. I mean, again is the plan with Mahomes, like, hey,
don't rush up field, keep them confined in that pocket.
Blah blah blah. I mean he does such a great
job of extension. I mean we know that full well,
it's been his entire career. I don't know the tree.
(21:05):
I guess to move over to the defense. I mean
you forced Mahomes in a check down, Charlie. They were
one of six in the red zone. How great were
the lat too in Franklin turnovers? I mean the law
too interception is just insane athoughtic play. I love Anarroumo
dialing that up and that hey we haven't backed up.
They're gonna want to get rid of the ball quick.
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Let's take our best pass rusher, Let's get him into
one of those quick rhythm windows, and let's see what happens.
And he has Rice. If you look at it, he's
got Rice Mahomes, but boom, there's a lot too making
just an exceptional play that's seven points, and then obviously Franklin,
you know, has that huge strip there. I thought the
game was largely over after that, So I I felt
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that the defense largely did enough. There is part of
me that it's like, if you would have told me
on Friday, Eddie Mahomes is gonna throw for the most
passing yards he has had in thirty five straight games,
mm hmm, I would have been like, really against this secondary,
are you sure.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They did it in the unconventional way? Yeah? It was.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that is probably a good way to put it, because.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
If you look at just how they've performed like this year,
they have not attacked the middle of the field like
at all. It's been all downfield or it's been checkdowns
like that's been their offense through the passing game. And
then the Colts went full man and they're like, all right,
we're just gonna run it, you know, a blank ton
of you know, crossing routes and drags and picks and
all this other stuff. And next thing you know, you've
got Rashi Rice going for over one hundred yards on
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just yards after catch.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And again the offense gave them zero complimentary help in
the fourth quarter. Zero. Can I still say I don't
love giving up a ninety yard drive with the game
on the line, Yeah, you can say that. So again
that's just a little bit of frustrating element to it.
But you know, the defense, I don't want to There's
(22:59):
a reason why I haven't mentioned it for until half
hour into this podcast, you know, like I want to
be clear that, Yeah, the blame isn't that big, and
the Mahomes file, I think is different than a lot
of teams. And I don't expect Houston, even with CJ.
Strout and Nico Collins, to come in here and do
a lot. I think the Colts should be built to
slow that down.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Let's shift now to what you did. Like you mentioned
Laotu Latu. He had the pick early that set the
Colts up with that first and goal from like the
two yard line. I thought both linebackers were fantastic bo
Zaia Franklin and Jermain Pratt yesterday, but you single out
lat too in Zaire.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, just those are huge, huge, huge plays, particularly if
the result is different. You know, I know directly they
didn't turn itself into points, but Eddie called those what
seven for la tuo, I would say. And then on
the Franklin play, that's a three to seven play, so
right there, that's ten to fourteen points. However, you want
to look at that. And the Colts got on the
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football too. You know, that was a bouncing football on
the hunt that could have gone either way there, So
you know, I know Zaire, you know mentioned or I
had a couple of misstackles early, but I thought he
made some nice plays as the game moved along. And
I believe the announcer said that was the Chief's first
lost fumble this season as well, so that kind of
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adds to it. So it seems like it's risky to
live off those sorts of plays, But it does seem
like the Cults find those plays more than I can
recall them finding. I mean a lot too. Now has
three of them. You think about cambining them in Germany,
you know, those sorts of plays, It seems like this
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team has done a great job of finding them throughout
the season. So yeah, I wanted to make sure that
I singled them at singled those out as.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Stuff I liked, and then the special teams. I think
this was the first time we've put the special teams
in this category in the season.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Shout out Brian Mason, special teams coordinator. I mean that
man is psychotic when it comes to dissecting the special teams.
I think I've told the story before, or he was
at Notre Dame prior to coming here. People in Notre
Dame raved about him, raved about him, and were you know,
you don't see it often necessarily a college special teams
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coordinator immediately going to the NFL. I don't think him
in Psyche had any direct ties prior to that. I
just think the cults are creating so much hidden yardage,
so much hitting yardage in both the coverage and the
return game. Obviously you had the big plays recently kick
return rise, but Anthony Gould got a couple of nice
punt returns yesterday him back in the lineup, and I
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just think their coverage units are so sound. There's so
many different guys really Goodson Ogle Tree, uh Laquon Treadwell. Obviously, Doolan,
you hope that his hamstring injuries in't anything too severe there,
and Rico Bertel Sanchez continues to be an absolute weapon
when it comes to punting the football. How big was
that Puny had out of his own end zone?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, and the coverage you got off of that.
So again, I know it's not the most eye popping
thing necessary to talk about, but I feel like the
cultures saving or creating I'd call it five ish first
downs a game based off they're special teams. I think
you got a couple off off the return game yesterday,
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and I think you had a couple, you know, limiting
or making Kansas City get an extra first down offensively
based off what you did with your coverage units. So great,
great work, great, great, great, great work.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Anything else you want to add on what you like
before we get into twitter questions.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
No, I just think you need to target Alec Pierce
a few more times.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I agree. Two.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I just I think right now, if I am Shane
Seichin each week and Warren is knocking on the door
of this, but I would think to myself as a
game planner, I think it's it's coming to the point
where Taylor needs X amount of touches in the second
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half and Pierce needs X amount of targets. A game.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Those players possess special traits, game breaking traits, you know. Naturally,
I think Warren's gonna find I mean, how many Warren
have your shows of five catches? I think so Like, naturally,
Warren's gonna get his, but more than Pittman, more than downs,
more than the other tight ends. I just think Taylor
in the second half and then Pierce overall is necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, five for forty five for Warren, five for twenty
seven and a touchdown for Pittman won for twenty six
on those two targets for Pierce and then downs two
for ten and six targets.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Moiley Cox's out snapping downs is a bit odd to me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Mm hmm. Just felt like, uh, Josh Doowns is only
in there on those third downs.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and you know you would think more Moiley Cox
would have been more run focused, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's get intowitter questions starting with Isaac. Why does Shane
Stiken forget he has the best running back in the league.
Seemingly every week he is so quick to abandon the run.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, and you know this gets in the overall debate
Isaac about players over plays, And I think I've said
this throughout the podcast, but to reiterate it, I'm good
with a little wrinkle for a guy or two, you
know again dueling on third and one. Like, I think
that's what makes Shane sich and a really strong play caller.
Is dialing some of that stuff up. But when he
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says throw to score, run to win and then goes
against it, and I didn't think he I thought he
let Kansas City off the hook. Prove to me you
can still stop in the fourth quarter. Prove to me
because I have a guy right here that can make
people miss. That's special.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, that's a home run hitter.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And it's not like Daniel Jones was hot. I mean,
like Daniel Jones stats were fine at halftime, but did
you get the impression he was a hot quarterback?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean he had a nice methodical dinking dunk largely
first couple quarters and then if you want to play
the clock game, that could have been part of it
as well.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah. Uh, Jacob. But by the way I thought Tony
Romo was when at halftime they were coming out to
start second half and he made the comment about, you know,
the Colts, this is going to be all on Daniel
Jones here in the second half, because you know, you've
utilized pretty your the stuff that you had the bye
week to prepare in the first half, and now it's
all on you to figure it out. Because he was like,
(29:28):
he decided that you used Moley Cox in the first half,
you need to catch your pass, you used uh Older
Tree in the end zone, you used dueling on a
big catch. So like he felt like that Shane Stikeen
had used the plays that he had schemed up. Be're like, hey,
you're not looking for this, and next thing, you know,
it was all on you know what you've put on
tape in that entire second half, and the Chiefs just
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had the answers for it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I heard that comment as well, and I thought it
was okay, well then ride your horse, yeah, or give
your horse, you know, a couple more times, you know, really,
if you want to go back to it, Eddie after
the twenty seven yard run, there's a little bit even
there where you start to go away with that as well.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, Jacob's question, I'm upset about losing to the Chiefs.
To me, this was a prove it game? Are you
elite or not? Game? If you want to be the best.
You have to be able to beat the best, and
I just feel like the Colts squandered this opportunity. Am
I overreacting? Or are the Cults going to go back
(30:29):
to mediocrity? Now? Thanks for all you guys do.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Jacob, thanks the question. Man, I hear you. You know,
I get Eddie. If you look at the schedule, I
guess oddly your three losses are all the Hall of
Fame quarterbacks, right yeah, Stafford, Rogers and Homes, And I
get those quarterbacks had some different games within those, But
you know, you look at the schedule the rest of
the way, I don't know if you face any elite quarterbacks.
(30:57):
I'd say you face some slightly above average quarterbacks. If
we're really gonna tear some qbs out Stroud, Lawrence, we'll
see about San Francisco. I assume Purty, and then of
course Darnold. So you know that's where I kind of
look at it right now. You know, I'll go back
to what I said earlier. Obviously you'd rather have the
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Texans win than this. I get psychologically, some people might
rather have the Kansas City win because maybe it carries
more weight when he an arrowhead and against Mahomes. But
I think when you have one A division title in
the decade, you have to start there. And maybe we
got too greedy, maybe that they got too greedy, and
kind of how the AFC South was viewed. And you know, Jacob,
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you will likely have another opportunity like this. If the
playoff started today, you'd host Jacksonville as that sound right? Sure, Gosh,
it's crazy to think the Ravens are now back atop
of the AFC North. It's all coming just like that,
they are back at you know, so you know you
might have you I'd be hosting Allan and the Bills
round one. Now, I do think yesterday really hurt where
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you're at from a number one seed standpoint, and so
you know that I do think is probably a frustrating
element to it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You'd be hosting Buffalo. Buffalo is the sixth seed. Buffalo
is the seven. The top seed gets the buye. Remember
so two plays eight, right, right.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But denvers the two right, Denver at nine and two? Yeah,
Buffalo denversus two of the cults of the three.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Right now, Yeah, Pittsburgh's eight. So when when Denver play Pittsburgh,
the Colts would play.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Buffalo so one gets the buy, two place seven?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Correct? Two would play eight?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Only seven?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Make it? I thought eight? Did? I'm an idiot?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
One team gets the buy?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Why am I thinking there's eight?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I don't know eight. Eight would seem to be normal
in the NBA. I guess eight in the NBA MLB.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's probably why.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But yeah it goes one by two place, seven, three place, six,
four place.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Thanks for educating me to take care. Oh, trust me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
In the NFL what they changed it up right around
the COVID year. That's why the by, I think is
so important because there's only one team that gets out
of that wildcard weekend there. So yeah, Jacob, again, I
understand where you're coming from, and I get there's not
tons of these opportunities that you prevent themselves. But let's
not think for a second here, there's not other massive
games the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It might not be Mahomes and Reed and Arrowhead, but
there are some huge games the rest of the year
to earn the right to potentially have another one of these.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah. Oh, thanks for correcting me there, Kevin. By the way,
Chris would like to know why is it that sheen
ssyching does not understand certain adjustments. If you know the
defense is blitzing, why not bring a better counter to
beat it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I guess this is the other side of the
fourth quarter from yesterday, Addie. If you want to look
at it numerically, a lot of there are some people
that sit there and say, hey, throwing it was the
right idea. So you know, when you have eight straight passes,
what do they have? Thirteen yards on those eight passes? Yeah,
I believe that's what it. And this gets back to
(34:01):
the Daniel Jones thing here is like, wait, you're telling
me on four straight drives you couldn't get one first down?
And we grade quarterbacks more in the fourth quarter. And
this falls back into our conversation we had a little
bit earlier of you're more worried about Shane Stiken or
you're more worried about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Jones?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Stiken can control a little bit of the play calling,
especially since you committed two first round picks. Right, you
have made your bet. Yeah, Daniel Jones is here?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Who is he? That's what we're trying to find out.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
What tier?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know, I just got into the tiers of quarterbacks.
You've got in the final six games? Where is he at?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean part of it is contractually, yeah, I am
curious about that, but part of it is because, you know,
do you have a guy that you feel like you
can be in January football and win in January football?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
With Where'd you get that hat?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I found it online? I got fed into one of
those Instagram ads.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Really.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, the hat is big? Third down here. I cannot
tell you how many times I yelled at to Matty
Bowen and she probably is like, yeah, I get it.
Aren't they all big? By the way, did you see
Andrew Luck's reaction?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
That was great?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I loved it in the Stanford game. Yeah, and I
one thing I know, but Andrew Luck, that man hates
Notre Dame hates them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Really, He's gonna want.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Blood come Saturday night. That was awesome to watch. Got
out the Frank right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Two games not two games left, but two Twitter questions
left Hey KB after hearing a Mooney ward describe how
he thought he might have been done with football due
to his last concussion. Is this something that pushed the
Sauce Gardner trade even more? Glad Mooney is feeling better?
Go Colts Never missed the pot. Appreciate all your hard work.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Justin second to none. We are thankful for all of
you here, but especially the loyal, loyal ones here. We
appreciate it. We know there's tons of podcasts to listen to,
a great podcast out there, so thank you for that. Yeah,
let's get into Mooney Ward right here, Eddie and I
want to go back to Friday. You know, he clear
concussion protocol met the media. I appreciate his transparency and
(36:07):
at the same time, it was a bit jarring listening
to him describe as concussion symptoms. Basically, he called the
first one more of a migraine. He called the second
one runningto ogule Tree. He said he was knocked out,
said he had dizziness for multiple weeks and puking, and
he thought to himself, will I ever play football again? So,
(36:28):
I mean, those are some big symptoms in a big conversation. Boy,
I got nervous when he took that hit yesterday, Eddie.
I believe he clarified after the game he's told the
guy's boots on the ground there in Kansas City that
it was more of a hit to the chest than
a helmet. But damn, I oh gosh, I want to
(36:52):
turn off injuries for everybody, but especially that guy. Now,
how did it impact the trade? I don't that's a
good question. You know, Buckner of course the neck injury
and played in this. By the way, Shane Sakin feels
very optimistic on buck and returning this season. I think
I was maybe a nugget lost on Friday that I
wanted to make sure we stuck in here.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
As far as Ward is concerned, he said he really
didn't start feeling better. So the bye, well, the bye
was after the Gardener trade.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I don't. I don't think you make such a massive
franchise altering move just because of injury or health statuses
on the forest Buckner and Moody Ward like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean that is a I mean, those are some
you better believe in the player. You better believe in
the quarterback and the player being Gardener all that. By
the way, saus Gardner doesn't strike me as a guy
that wants to tackle.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That is the one of the that was one of
the problems with him in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, they're not paying him to tackle. I'm just so
used to Colts corners being good tacklers, so watching him
try and tackle is a little bit different for me.
So yeah, I I that was. That was wild to
frankly listen to Moody war describe all of that there.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, it was. It was pretty uh eye opening because
when you look around the league. I mean the guy
that I immediately thought of was Chris Olave with New Orleans.
Like the guy had like four concussions and like or
five concussions in the previous two seasons combined, And it's
just like, WHOA you think that at times about Ryan Kelly,
you know lately with all the ones he's gonna pile.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Up any concerned Houston ten days off, Colt Stephen's just
played ninety snaps.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I hope not. You got time to rest between Colts
go walk.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Through Wednesday, by the way, they you know, we've seen
them understriking. I think a lot of teams to do
this kind of adopt a little bit of the walk
through mindset late in the season on a Wednesday. So
they'll go walk through Wednesday early practice, Thanksgiven Thursday as
they return home. Weirdly, it's their only home game in
like a seven week stretch.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, I know, uh, Tampa Bay's been doing that for
the last month just because of how depleted they've been.
I know San Francisco's done the same for the last
couple of weeks as well, because they've had so many injuries.
But they're starting to get healthier. Final Twitter questions from Benji.
Starting to think Jim Bob Cooter would make a great
head coach if the Colts keep winning, he might get
a shot. How would you rate his chances and or potential. Secondly,
(39:15):
my brother in law, Patrick is now a regular listener
of the podcast. Will you give him a shout out? Yes, Benji,
thank you for listening. Patrick. What took you so long?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Patrick, Let's go. Thank you very much for listening. Benji.
As always as loyal as they come, we appreciate that.
Jim Bob Brany, dude, brainy dude. I think Peyton would
sign off on it. I think Matthew Stafford probably sign
off on it. You know, I've said this before about
(39:44):
the whole non play caller you know, hiring non play
caller as a head coach. You can point the times
it's worked, you can point the times that it hasn't worked,
you know, with Sirianni. I remember saying this. I do
think when Sirianni took the job in Philly, I did think, okay,
the whole le of men. I do feel like Sirianni
has that attribute necessarily to him. Jim Bob, it's a
(40:07):
little bit more of an unsure just based off his personality.
And again, I mean, I'm not gonna pretend to know
the dude super super well, but I do think that's
an important quality that if I were making highers, I
would have hesitancy about non play callers. What's his name
in Tennessee? Uh, you know Callahan. It kind of just
fell into that same boat.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
There a lot of issues with Callahan, right.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And some of these guys work out, you know. I
am curious about Lou and a Roumo.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Do we see him?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Does he fall back into the coaching cycle? You know,
I know his name has been thrown around with New York.
I think he was with New York for a year.
Does that name get thrown around a little bit there?
But yeah, I guess where I saw Jim Bob's name
was mentioned, I think on one of those coaching lists.
So about time for those things to uh get back
underway with the closest promote Alex Tanney. That what they
(40:56):
would do?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, maybe Reggie Wayne, would they vote him?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Tony Soprano Jr. Would you promote him?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah? Those are options. Uh, Mike Kafka gonna do it
all in New York. Now he's going to be the
head coach O C and DC.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
He did he fire Bowen?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah? They fired Bowen. I don't know if that Yeah,
by the way, would that be him firing Shan Bowen
or would that be Joe Sheane's that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All right, you got anything else?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
I've got nothing. Have a great Thanksgiving, all.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Right, Colts Texans. Coming up this week, we will have
your coverage one on seven five of the Fan again
probably short pod will come back with on Wednesday, but yes,
for those that are not going to be tuning in
at our second part of the week, save travel. So everybody,
have a great, great Thanksgiving, enjoy the awesome slate coming
up Thursday and Friday. We'll talk to you next. It
is Colt's Corner with Kevin Bowen signing off.
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