Issue 595: Superman & Ironheart Trailer Reactions & TLOU Ep. 6 Spoiler Review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm James Gunn. Be sure to watch season two
of Peacemakers streaming this Thursday, nine p m. Eastern on
HBO Max. We're calling it HBO Max. It's calling HBO
Max again.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, wow, is that gonna be announced? That's that's good.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Actually, but I didn't know what was happening.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I could do this all day.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You want to, Oh, hello there, Internet's welcome to issue

(01:09):
five ninety five of Comic Cast. I'm Michael Carroll alongside
Jong Lead Jong. What's your preference HBO Go, HBO now,
HBO Max Max or new HBO Max. Do you have
a preference there?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I you know, honestly, I think they. I think if
it was HBO Plus it would have been really really good,
you know. But yeah, it's it's snip snap, snip snap
more times than Michael Scott has gotten a visectomy and

(01:49):
a reverse vicec to me. So it's been a wild
I don't even know how long decade. I not even
a decade. I know the recent one is been like
two years or something like that. Yeah, it's a I
don't know what they're doing over there. We've always questioned
Warner Brothers leadership from the hiring of David Saslov to

(02:13):
some of the you know, creative decisions that they made,
losing Christopher Nolan over streaming during the pandemic, which was
wild to me you would lose a director like that,
but yeah, sure, you know, you know, you know the
and I said this on Blue Sky. The the thing is,

(02:37):
whoever their marketing firm is. Every time they've and I
don't know if they've used the same firm over and
over again, but every time that they've rebranded, it's probably
cost them a couple of million dollars. And it's probably
the easiest job that a marketing companies have has ever had.

(02:58):
It's probably keeping their doors and lights on, doors open
and their lights on, because you know, you charge a
couple of million dollars to you know, change out the
colors from a purple gradient to black, and then you
just have somebody that is just beginner photoshop or illustrator
and just let them type HBO and delete max and

(03:23):
them type max and delete. It's just I just don't understand.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
They So this all came out. We're gonna get to
the podcast introductions, but we got to just really quickly
talk about this. The this came out last week after
we were recorded, after our episode released at there's upfronts
going on. So all the different networks and streamers and
all that are are going to the upfronts where they're
presenting their material to advertisers to see, you know, who

(03:54):
wants to buy for their network or whatever the case.
W Warner Brothers Discover did their presentation and Casey Boyles,
this is from the Hollywood Reporter, Casey Boyles declared, HBO
Max is back. Quote. The absurdity of it all was
met with laughter, light, applause, and exactly one whistle. It

(04:17):
felt like advertisers in the Madison Square Garden theater were
laughing at Max and not with it. There was also
a presentation on the big screen. Yeah here it is.
Chief marketing Officer Shanna Spinley of HBO Max displayed behind
her the three Spider Man pointing meme on the big

(04:37):
screen behind her, replacing the Marvel Spideys with DC Superman
and overlaying the logos of HBO of Max, HBO Max
and the old s bod service HBO Go So and
then in a press release they referenced to the friends
line we were on a break so uh it seems

(04:58):
like based off reports, it seemed like they're getting ready
to split the company after they made the big deal
about combining it with Discovery. It seems like they're going
to split the company and separate Discovery stuff from Max
or HBO Max stuff, and that's the direction that they're
going in. Uh. But it also means that they still

(05:20):
have the thirty five million or no billion dollars in debt.
And also somehow David Saslov fails upwards because he was
the Discovery CEO, then he became the Warner Brothers Discovery CEO,
and now he's going it seems like, if this is true,
he's going to spin off Discovery back into its own
thing and he's no longer going to be the CEO

(05:41):
SO of that, but he's going to be the CEO
of HBO and Warner Brothers.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know who he is?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Who's that?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
He's Nico Harrison. Yes, Nico Harrison, who used to uh
work for I believe it was is it Nike?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yes, yes, it is.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
He worked for Nike for nineteen years or something like that.
He was I think the last role that he has
was the VP of North American Sports Marketing for those
that don't know, and I don't know how many people.
If you're listening on ESPN, you might know the story.
But for those that don't know, Nico Harrison famously pitched

(06:22):
Steph Curry to Nike, and it went awry, very very awry.
He misspelled Steph Curry's name. Apparently they reused a slide
show from I believe it was like Kevin Durant. It
was somebody, it was somebody big. They reused it, and
they left the image up from one of the last

(06:45):
presentation that they used, and it just felt like they
just felt very disrespected. And they lost Steph Curry to
under Armour and he was a big part of that presentation,
and somehow gets a huge and I don't know, maybe
this seems like a promotion. I think it's a promotion.

(07:06):
The man lands the Dallas Maverick's general manager's job and
famously trades away Luka Doncic to the Lakers for a
injury injury ridden, riddled Anthony Davis who is on the
back end of his career. And it just a Max
Christie if you want to say that, surprise, Yeah, I

(07:31):
it's just David Saslov. I don't know if he's worse
or better than Nico Harrison, but they're about the same.
If you want to get a sports comparison to David Saslov.
They fall forward somehow, and it's just every time that
they make a mistake, they just somehow it just works
out for them. It's just, I mean, kudos for you.

(07:52):
It's just like, you know what they are, and this
is a comic book reference. They're Domino. They just they
just have good luck. They're just they just have good luck.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Like somehow getting Cooper Flag now for the Beast, oh.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, apparently they're you know, even even that they're like, oh,
there's rumor circulating that Nico Harrison wants to turn that
pick into Jannis onto the Kompo, which sure, I mean,
I guess you have an aging roster. If that's what
you want to do, flush away fifteen years of Cooper
flag for you know, five good maybe five good years

(08:27):
of jannest go ahead, do it, because by the time
you know, those contracts are up, Anthony Davis is probably
gonna not be able to walk anymore. Kyrie Irving is
you know, in a boot, and you know Jannis is
sitting there by himself looking on the downside of his career,
saying what did I do wrong?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
What did I do? Really quickly, I do wonder if
Nico Harrison ordered a desk of the original Mavericks owner
or maybe Mark Cuban or somebody, because Davis Aslov, I
I forgot he did this. David Saslov literally ordered Jack
Warner's desk out of storage. He now rules the iconic

(09:07):
Warner lots from behind.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Have you seen the show the Studio?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I was gonna say, don't they reference something about the
desk in like the first episode or a couple episodes?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think so, But if you haven't, And I'm gonna
beat this drum every time I get a chance to.
And and murder Bot just came out. I know you
are a huge fan of murder Bat bought. Yeah, it
came out I think last week end of last week
on Apple tv Plus. But Apple tv Plus if you
don't have a subscription to it, please get one or

(09:41):
get a free trial. The offer them everywhere pound for pound.
I think it's the best streaming platform to have a
lot of great comedy shows, pretty good movies on there,
and a lot of good TV shows on there. If
you haven't gone on. It's better than it's probably unless
you are subscribed to the NFL package for Paramount Plus.
It's better than Paramount Plus. I think, pound for pound

(10:04):
better than Netflix. Netflix maybe releases one or two mega
shows a year and that's about it. And any other
big streaming platforms. I think it's Amazon Prime. I think
is better than Prime in terms of shows and stuff
like that, better than Peacock. It's a legitimately really good
streaming platform anyway, and it's cheaper. But the studio it's

(10:26):
a kind of a satire off of on you know,
Hollywood and and the way that it gets made and
stuff like that, and it's it's hilarious. Seth Rogan plays
this over the you know, he becomes this the new
It almost seems like it's a playoff of David Saslov.
He becomes this young CEO that kind of fell forward.

(10:48):
The Kathan O'Hare is the old CEO that got fired.
He kind of get kind of takes over and then
he just kind of over his head and he just
makes all these mistakes over and over again. Anyway, so
many cameos in this, like uh, you know, Ron Howard
is Ron Howard makes an appearance.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Scorsese's and like.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
So many cameos. Anyway, I think I was watching, I
was like, I feel like they're making fun of Warner Brothers.
They're talking about like they're doing like, oh, we want
the next Barbie movie, let's do kool aid man. They're
just like what Anyway, if you guys haven't checked it out,
check it out. But if you if you've seen it,
you know what I'm talking about. This it's just David Sazov,

(11:32):
It's just reads David Sazoff. It's just absolutely just incompetence.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yes, I think Brian Cranston really is like the representation
of him, definitely. So I want to I want to,
I do want to get your thoughts on murder Bot
before we get too far away from it. What have
you thought of the first two episodes? I haven't had
a chance to watch it because I've been rewatching and
binging and or in preparation for our review later this week.
Hey spoiler alert, but what have you thought of murder Bot?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I didn't know it was a comedy. Yeah, yeah, So
when I turned it on and it was like, I
think the first episode was like thirty something minutes the
second one was like twenty six minutes. I was like, oh,
it's pretty short, and turned it on. I'm like, huh,
this is not the vibe that I thought it was
gonna be. I literally I really thought this was gonna
be like a like a sci fi really dark kind

(12:27):
of thing, where like the name of the show is
murder Bot, and I thought it was gonna be like
a you know, a Murders you know, robot the first
two episodes and not like that. It just uh, it
just you know, I forget what movie or showed this
joke was in, but somebody turned on like uh thinking

(12:49):
somebody turned on twenty eight days later thinking it was
twenty eight days or something like that. Oh yeah, Sandra
Bullock movie. And then it was like, where's the zombies?
But yeah, I just uh, it's obviously if you don't
go in knowing that it's a it's it's a comedy.
I guess you would say it's dry and dark, very

(13:10):
maybe not dark dry comedy. Then maybe you're just like, oh, okay,
it takes a little bit to getting get getting used to.
But I understand why Alexander's Scars Guards premiere attire was pantiless.
I understand. Now if you guys don't understand, you'll understand

(13:33):
when you watch the when you watch this show. But no,
I I enjoy enjoyed the first two episodes so far.
Very easy, very fast watch. I'm not used to Alexander's
scars guard being in a comedy, so it's it's a
little I wouldn't say jarring, but it's you know, it's
gonna take a little bit. It is different. But no,
I think it has the potential to be a pretty

(13:53):
good show. I wouldn't say like, I wouldn't say it's like,
you know, show the Year kind of thing after you know,
after watching and or and you know, I could see
it being in my top five by the end of
the year. It has a good foundation, and I think
there's a lot of potential to be a pretty good show.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh for sure, I love I love the discovery of
Oh it's a lot more humor than I expected. I
was reading someone who said it's like if you cross
Blade Runner with The Office, and I was like, Okay,
I could see kind of that, especially with the dry
sense of humor that murder Bot has. And then once
you get to some of the other characters that are

(14:33):
kind of later on in the books. Oh so good.
I'm going to be catching up on that. Of course,
as I mentioned before, we're going to have an and
or review later this week, and we're going to have
a very special guest on that issue of Comic Cast.
But first we gotta tell you that you can follow
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Speaker 3 (14:52):
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ninety seven to five and ninety two to five Wednesday
nights at eight pm. Now we are going to get
to our spoiler review of episode six of the Last

(15:15):
of Us. But there was two trailers that came out
last week after we recorded the thing was the same
day as the HBO Max News Superman the second trailer
released and the iron Heart or the first trailer for
iron Heart released. Let's quickly get our get in on
those two, starting with the Superman trailer.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Are you being serious right now?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
You'd let me interview you as Superman? Sure?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Ready? Let's do it, cronkite, Superman, miss Lane.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Recently you've come under a lot of fire for what
some might want.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Today the Secretary of Defense said he was going to
look into your actions. That's funny my actions.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I stopped a war?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Maybe not, maybe I did. In effect, you illegally entered
a country. This is how you're going to be I'm
not the one.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Being interviewed, Superman.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Did you consult with the president?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Now you seemingly acting as a.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Representative and doing good.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would question myself in the same situation and consider
the consequence.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
People were going to die.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Hey, buddy eyes up here.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Your choice, your extras. That's what makes you who you are.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Superman, He's not a man, He's an it.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Somehow become the focal point of the entire world's conversation.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I will not accept that.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I claimed your boots. I'll go get them for you.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
John. What'd you think of the second trailer for Superman?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, I think in reinforce versus kind of what
we saw in the first trailer, I think we get
a good look at Guy Gardner. Uh, and then we
get a good, very good look at the relationship that
you know what Uh Clark, Superman, kellel and Lois have.
And you know, right off the bat, the very opening,

(18:19):
very opening scene where Lois and Uh and Clark are talking,
you get a good, very good look at Rachel Bron
Bront Bron's bronze in a hand. I think you get
a very good look at her Lois Lane, and right
off the rip, not at Lewis Lane. I don't think

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we've ever seen before. And I absolutely loved this rendition
of her, and it gives you a very it's a
it's a representation that I think we're gonna get with
Sue Storm in the first steps in Fantastic four. You

(19:04):
get a very strong character opposite of the main male protagonist.
I think that this Lowis Lane is going to be
somebody that doesn't back down from and I think you
got some of this from Amy Adams version of Lois Lane.
But you get a very headstrong, very personality, strong personality

(19:30):
kind of type one, very type one, somebody that and
you know that makes sense being a big time you know,
news reporter for the biggest publication in the world, I
think in the Daily Planet. But I think it's just
a nice way to kind of show you how Lois

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Lane is going to be portrayed. And I can't wait
because I think this is some but something that we
haven't seen before, and it also goes to show you
or I think he also lays down a good foundation
of how much the people around Superman are a very
key representation to who he is and what he is
as a person and as Superman and as as Clark Kent.

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Because I think, you know, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, those
are the two pillars on his left and right, and
that's gonna be huge for him going forward. And I
think we got a very good look at at that,
and I think that's one of the bigger takeaways from
the from this trailer. And then obviously Guy Gardner just
you know, kind of flicking up and then taking out
that tank. But no, I think I think that opening

(20:36):
sequence where they kind of have this banter where he
he thinks he's sitting there talking to Lois Lane and
then he suddenly realizes he's getting grilled. Yeah, He's getting grilled.
So I absolutely love that about the trailer.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, it's it's a dynamic that we really haven't seen
in a while, right, Like maybe outside of comics or
maybe some of the animated stuff where Lois is going is,
like you said, grilling Superman, questioning his actions. And really,
I mean, for one, it's just her journalistic nature right
of pushing and asking Superman these questions that even if

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she didn't if she did know him, didn't know him, whatever,
She's gonna push and ask him these things because did
he overstep? Did he go too far? But he feels
like he's doing the right thing, and he's not just
Superman of America, he's Superman of the World. But having
those questions kind of already being laying the groundwork on
I think in these trailers. In this trailer, I think

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is exciting for the prospect of the movie, of course,
but also throughout the course of the trailer, it feels
like this Superman is a more human and flawed Superman
in some ways, right, Like he just doesn't necessarily where
Henry Cavill's Superman felt like a godlike character in a

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lot of instances, this Superman just feels like like a
like a more human version of that, where you know,
the hey buddy eyes up here. The conversation with Lois
at the very beginning and him showing emotion as he's
talking to Lois. There's a brief moment where he's I
think he's joking with Jimmy in the in the office.
It just feels like a very different Clark Kent that

(22:19):
we haven't seen outside of maybe some animated projects.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, and you know, I think this is a good
representation of people are generally trying to do better, and
I think we get will we'll this Actually, you know,
Corley's very well to the last latest episode of the
Last of Us. You know, I think, you know, they're

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just trying to be a better person that they than
they were, and they're trying to do better. And I think,
you know, every single day they're trying to And he
you know, he talks about the attack on Metropolis and
he was just or stopping a war, and he was
just like, I'm trying, I'm just trying to save people.
Like I'm not you know, I'm not out here doing
you know, this heinous act for a different government. I'm

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not here doing, you know, acting against out of the
outside of the interest of my the country where I
call home or a country where Clark Kent calls home.
He's not doing any of that he just wanted people
to stop dying, and that is a good representation of

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what Superman should be. It's like it, you know, well,
you know, of all the things that we make fun
of the Snyder verse, for hope is a huge thing. Hope.
Hope about hope of making you know, the next day
even brighter than the previous day, or hope that you
know you're stopping a war that that your country might

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may have been fighting for years on end. You know,
hope is a huge thing, and I think this is
a very good representation of that and trying to be
a better, you know, individual going forward.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Also see all sorts of characters besides the Kaiju that
we've seen in previous in the previous trailer, and besides
the jellyfish in the sky. At one point we get
a better look at the engineer from the Authority. We
also get Rick Flagg Senior. We also get maybe Ultraman,

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maybe a Bizarro, maybe just a Superman clone of some
kind with a character under the black mask. We get
the Hammer of Borvaria Boravaria I think is how you
say it, which is a new character created for this movie.
You get a lot of characters in both comic with

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a lot of ties to the comics, and of course
the brand new one with the hammer. So it just
it feels like again, I can't I can't stress it enough.
It feels like a comic book, comic book brought to
life because of just the world that it's being built upon.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, and the visuals look, for the most part, looked
pretty great. I we don't get any of those weird
eye things from this trailer than than we got in
the first trailer. Uh, it's I think it's gonna be
a very uplifting movie. And the both trailers feel like
it's supposed to be uplifting and give us hope. And

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you know, he's the the the hero that we're all
aspiring to be or the person that we're aspiring to be.
So yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this trailer. And you know,
the summer is going to be pretty good. Man Like uh,
this and Fantastic Four, It's gonna be h It has
a chance to get box office numbers upwards of I

(25:42):
would say it's safe to say one point five billion
between the two movies. Isn't something out of out of
uh out of reach.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
No, the the hype around both of them is very strong.
I think July is going to be a big month
in terms of theater watching and theater going. So uh,
the trailer looks phenomenal again. I have it on replay
in the background, so I can't wait for it when
it premieres June eleventh, Ironheart, what'd you think of the
first trailer for? For that? We finally got one.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Real well in less.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Than three minutes, the air in this elevator will no
longer be breathing.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Your supper can't die unless you break it to the
device on the floor where you find a gas mask.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Good luck.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I heard Reee Williams was a genius, so so you
went or out?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Brady?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
What if there be a buying all day?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Rady?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Really, I see you, I see you're fed up waiting
to be acknowledged for your greatness.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Or that lady let me back.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You are not the first genius at MIT. How of
you're not working out one of those fancy tech firms.
After my internship abroad, I'm gonna build something undeniable, something important, iconic.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
It's a brandow.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I can give you the tools to help you carry
out your vision, but anyone who's ever accomplished anything iconic
in life. You just have to do some questionable things
to get it done.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
What will you do?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, you've betten off a hell of a lot more
than you can chew, Uncle chew a lot. Thank you
know nothing about this man, You're gonna end up dead

(28:09):
or in jail. This is so much bigger than that.
This is wild a shady bunker.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
My bunker's not shady.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Would a shady bunker have bat on the wall? It's
literally above a cradle of self guided missiles. I'm returning those.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
About six weeks before release.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
That's crazy, man, I nuts. You know. It just screams
to me that they have no faith in this uh series.
It really does. When you debut your first full trailer,
you know, weeks before it's supposed to air, it's a
I almost it's a disservice to everybody that's involved in

(29:05):
that project. And I think, you know, this was obviously
made before they made those creative changes. And I think
the first one to really see the creative changes to
creative the creative process change was Daredevil, which obviously came
out before this.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
This was.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, this was in pre and post and in
production before Daredevil. But it's just it sucks being uh,
being left out like kind of like, oh, it almost
feels like maybe this They're going to scrap this entire
the you know, Reby Williams after this. It just it's

(29:49):
it almost feels like a it's a slap in the face.
I think to have a trailer not debut until six
weeks before premiere and and it just, you know, I
feel bad for the people that are involved in it,
and I don't know if it's going to be good

(30:10):
or not. And I it just having something having a
trailer the first trailer debut six weeks prior to the
release screams we don't trust this.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
And for that first trailer to premiere on the day
that the second Superman trailer is premiering. Not that they
necessarily planned it for like that, or not necessarily that
they thought about that or anything, but it's just the
fact that we've gotten two Superman trailers and only one
Ironheart trailer is baffling to me. I understand that it

(30:44):
is Superman is a is a movie, and this is
a show, but I will never not understand why Around
the Daredevil Born Again season finale, how we didn't get
some sort of coming up on Disney Plus and you
get the and or teas, you get iron Heart teas,
you get something and to just it feels like they're

(31:05):
burying it, and that sucks because I like Dominic Thorn,
I like Anthony Ramos, I like what this trailer is
setting up with magic versus Tech. I'm curious where we
go with the story, and I'm curious what we set
up for Rere in the future. I hope it's not
a completely like go away from her because Dominic Thorn,
I thought she did very well as were in Black

(31:28):
Panther Wo Conda Forever. So I would like more of
iron Heart. I would like to see her, maybe even
in a yellow and red type iron Iron iron Heart
suit that we see in like the comics version. So
I don't know that we'll get any of that, but
the first trailer looks interesting enough. Of course, Anthony Ramos
is playing The Hood, which is a magic based film,

(31:49):
which really makes this one feel very different from other
maybe tech entries, tech based heroes that are going up
against another tech based hero. This is actually tech versus magic,
which I think could be a fun change of pace
for for something and not a basically not have a
doppelganger villain.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah. I mean I think if you do that, you're
just essentially having uh you know, just Iron Man stuff
right right. Yeah, it's you know, it makes sense to
kind of uh kind of do it that way. And
I think, you know, having uh something for is it
should be the priority. It's an interesting spin. It's gonna
be interesting spin on a tech versus uh or an

(32:29):
interesting spin on on villains and and and whatnot. It I,
you know, very intrigued on how they're gonna incorporate the
Hood and and and the demon uh into this thing.
And I wonder where it's gonna kind of lead to

(32:50):
and I, you know, like you said, I I wonder
if it's gonna even lead to anything. Yeah, I just
you know, it's gonna. I guess we'll we'll find out
when we want. What's the show?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, the only my biggest hope is that it leads
to some tie with what Kamala and Kate Bishop are
maybe setting up with, like a young Avengers sort of thing.
Maybe Reread can be part of that, since she has
a younger hero, just seeing her involved in the in
the greater world of course we saw involved in the
Greater World with Black Panthercndra forever, but just I don't know.

(33:24):
I hope they set up something interesting for her in
the future, and hopefully that's with the Champion series or
Young Avengers whatever they're calling it at this point. Really
quickly before we get to the last of US episode
six review, just kind of like breaking news. It's not
really huge breaking news, but for the upcoming Emmy race,
HBO is submitting Colin Ferrell for Best Actor, Kristin Miliotti

(33:47):
for Best Actress, Lauren Lefrant for the entire series as
a Outstanding Limited Series, and then Rinsey Felice is being
submitted for Supporting Actor, and Deirdre O'Connell, who played Oz's mom,
will be submitted for Supporting Actress. So they're they're starting
to push the Emmy race for the Penguin actors and actresses.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm not surprising. I think the drama section of the
Emmys is gonna be something to It's gonna be something
to marvel at. Just you know, you know, the Penguin
series came out with last year. Yeah, and you take

(34:33):
a look at I don't need like variety put together
a prediction. It doesn't even have the Penguin on for
drama series. The shows that they have are and Or
The Diplomat, The Last of Us to Pit, Severance, Slow Horses,
squid Games in the White Lotus. That's their predictions of

(34:54):
the nominations. And then I think they have their prediction
is that Severance is gonna win quickly. I guess I
can go this. Uh, let me see. Oh, they have
a Penguin as a limited or anthology series.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
So maybe that's why it's getting more traction there versus
because the the drama series that you just read is stacked.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah. Yeah, and so is the lead actress, the lead
actor if you you know, if you take a look
at you know, the lead actor, you have Noah Whiley Adams, Scott,
Gary Olman, Diego, Luna, John Hammond, Startling K Brown. They
have prodected projected no Noah Wiley, which I think rightfully. So, uh,
Noah Wiley as a project projected winner for Best Male Actor.

(35:36):
What do we through? We're halfway through May, more than
halfway through May. It's it's looking like a very strong
year for for television.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. We even mentioned like Stephen Graham with Adolescents or
anything like that. I imagine that's a limited series.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So yeah, I even forgot about that Adolescence came out
because it was you know, it was a four episodes,
so yeah that. Uh, I guess, let me see if
that's even on the anthology list.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It'd have to be included on that because that was
just phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yes, it was. They have adolescents projected to win that
adolescent is dying for sex Monsters, the Lyle and Eric
Menindez story, presumed innocence in the Penguin.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I want Penguin to win, but man, adolescence is so
good it's hard to imagine anything other than that winning
that category.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
You can win, all right, John, Let's get to the
Last of Us Episode six, The Price spoiler review. If
you haven't watched episode six of The Last of Us,
tune away for the rest of this podcast, because that's
what it's all about. And for this one, John, I
want to just start off with actually the very beginning

(36:56):
of the episode, with one being the reveal that Tony
Dalton is playing Joel and Tommy's dad. But I just
want to start with you in that just in that
moment and that aspect of it being a dad, being
the dad of the podcast. I don't know, just what
do you think of that opening scene and what Tony

(37:18):
Dalton's dad of Tommy and Joel saying to them in
that moment. What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
It's generational trauma is a huge thing, I think, and
I think, and I don't know if if you felt
this in your family or no people that I felt
it in their family that sometimes our parents' generation a

(37:46):
lot of bad things come from their parents and their
grand grandparents. And I think, you know, I think a
couple of years ago, this was a huge thing over
social media, and I think the MILLENNI generation kind of
like put this together where we're in a very unique
and awkward situation where this is the first time in many,

(38:11):
many generations that a generation realizes that, hey, we have
a chance to stop passing on our trauma and passing
on the hurt that we've gotten from our parents down
to our kids. And I had that part of it.
I felt really with that scene where you thought he

(38:31):
was going to just beat the living bleep out of
Joel or I even thought after that talk that he
had with Joel that he was going to go in
in Tommy's room and just you know, just wail on him. Yeah,
it's it was a very powerful scene. And it comes

(38:52):
back full circle when you know at the very end
of the episode where Joel kind of utters the same
message where he was just like I just hope that Yeah,
I figure what the line is. I just hope that
you do better than I did. Yeah, it was a
very powerful episode. I would say probably my favorite episode
of the year. And I've saw a lot of people

(39:12):
say it's gonna be the best of the series before
it aired, and I'm like, well, after it aired, I'm like,
it's not better than episode three of season one. It's not.
I think it might be like the third or fourth
best episode of the series so far. Clearly that I
think the top three, or at least the top two
or from episode from season one. But no, this is

(39:32):
I think probably my favorite episode of the year. Like
it's crazy, like the best two episodes of the or
the top three episodes of this the series is just
you know, storytelling. It's crazy, right. You you tell score stories,
you develop, you don't develop these characters, and yeah, I yeah,

(39:53):
the episode was great. Probably the best or the most
carbon copy episode to date of from the show and
the game, Like just every a lot of the major
events are very are ripped from the game, and it
should be to no surprise. Neil Druckman directed the episode,

(40:13):
So that's that's you know, that's like, oh, well, yeah,
he obviously because he did the damn thing created the game.
Directing an episode, you would expect a carbon copy, but
I think one, I think you should let Neil direct more.
He did a very fantastic job with the with the

(40:33):
with the episode. But yeah, I was very strong, not
something that I would have expected from a penultimate episode.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
No, a very much quieter, more focused on honestly, the
happier times, Like the first half of that episode is
the happy times that Joel and Ellie were sharing, her
celebrating her birthdays and him getting her a cake of
multiple years in a row obviously that the whole Apollo

(41:02):
eleven sequence, and her just imagining that what it would
have been like had she gone to space, and just
you know, all the things he did to just make
her birthday special. Creating the guitar just like it's just
so beautiful and light and just like funny funny, little

(41:26):
like tidbits and stuff like that, like with I love
the line of Ellie says, you know, Joel says something
to her about, you know, just be enjoy being a kid.
She she was like, oh, because childhood has been such
a joy for me so far. Like it's just like
little things like that. I thought it was just very nice.

(41:47):
And it doesn't feel like a penultimate episode, right like
it typically a penultimate episode has the big battle or
the big drama, and no, this wasn't that. It was
a quieter, more focused You hear the infected at one point,
but you never see them. The biggest thing was we
learned the truth of what happened with Eugene and it

(42:08):
wasn't necessarily anything to do with his ties with the Fireflies.
I assume that they did that to make us like, oh,
did Joel do this do that as we speculated. No,
he literally was bitten and he shot him. It's just
the way he went about telling it and the way
he lied to Ellie yet again, was the big reveal

(42:33):
in this in this episode, in her learning how everything
ever learning most everything that happened at Salt Lake.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, and I think one of the best parts of
that interaction that along I don't know, ten fifteen minute
interaction from when they found Eugene to you know where
where they go back to Jackson where she kind of,
you know, spills the beans to Gail. And I think

(43:03):
one of the things that if you don't, if you
didn't catch it. When Ellie goes to get the horses,
he says, Joel says, I promise, I won't do anything.
And then she comes back and obviously Eugene's dead, and
she says, you swore, And that small change in vocabulary

(43:24):
takes you back to season one where he said, I swear.
It's like swear, swear. She says, swear on your life
whatever that you didn't you know, and then he said,
I swear. And so that is tied to the act
that he the act of killing Eugene before he gets
to say goodbye to Gail is directly correlated with the

(43:46):
act that he'd committed in Salt Lake City. And she
obviously can put two and two together because the look
that he gives her is the same look that he
gave her in Salt Lake City with the firefly. So
she finally kind of like it. I think she's always
kind of like had that in the back of her mind,
but it finally confirmed to her that he did something

(44:07):
very very bad as Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
What was interesting was, you know, it was something that
I think she said, she kind of always knew or
had a suspicion of, and the moment before her first
patrol where she was actually practicing questions to ask Joel,
how did you get by the raiders? How did this?
How did that? How did you carry me out? If

(44:30):
all these raiders were attacking, if they spotted us a
mile away? How did they not spot the raiders? Like
all legitimate questions that are like poking holes into Joel's
said truth about the events of Salt Lake But she
was going to go about it in a sit down,
talk to you kind of way. But I think with

(44:50):
what happened with Eugene really was the only, maybe the
only way that she would have gotten the truth from Joel,
because I wonder if she had presented those questions to Joel,
he would have just beat around the bush or gave
it her, given her more stuff to where he kind
of gets out of it without telling her the full

(45:10):
story of what happened with Salt Lake. But after everything
that happens with Eugene, them being kind of a part
for nine months and them actually having that conversation on
the porch and him confirming it. Those moments are are
are necessary for him to have told the truth, because
otherwise he may not have ever told her the truth.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, that the very powerful scene between all of them
or among all of them. Uh, it's it. I guess
it's just kind of like it was going to bound.
It was bound to happen anyway, just just the nature
of Joel uh well, seemingly you know, telling you know,
all these lies to kind of protect Ellie, kind of

(45:51):
thinking that this is in their best interest, trying to
make sure that she's not even with the whole patrol thing.
She you know, she's been asking for years and she's
turned six and she's like, oh, you know, Jesse, Jesse
you know, did his patrol in his first sixteen and
she doesn't get hit her first patrol until she's nineteen, right,
So it takes a while. And so like, you know,

(46:13):
he's obviously being a very protective parent, and you get
that same, you know, the same kind of vibe from
him from the porch scene. At the very end there
where he's obviously trying to just protect her, and she
finds out and he kind of like pours his heart
out to her and basically trying to tell her. Hey,

(46:35):
like from his perspective, like, you know, you have to understand,
like I'm trying to make sure that you don't you
don't get hurt or anything I'm paraphrasing here, you don't
get hurt or anything like that, because you know, I
care about you, I love you. I want to make
sure that you're safe. And you know, that same thing
happened with the fireflies. He didn't want her to get hurt.

(46:59):
They lie to her both ways. Lie. He said there
were raiders, and he said that there were you know,
many many other immune kids there or immune people there
where they didn't need her and all that stuff. And
she her, you know, her sense of purpose before meeting
Joel was to get to the fireflies and try to

(47:21):
find a cure for everybody. And he didn't let her
do that one thing that she wanted to do. And
so from you know, each perspective, you can kind of
understand from both perspectives here and with Joel with the
whole Eugene situation, Yeah, he's trying to protect her and
trying to make sure that you know, he may he
may still have some time, but you never know how

(47:41):
quickly or how fast that somebody can turn. And I
really thought when he got to that to the lake
area where he's he's just kind of like he takes
his glasses off. I thought he was going to turn there.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, I thought so too.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
There was a moment where like, oh, he's turning, and
Joel is instantly you know, uh justified, uh you know,
taking him and killing him there. But no, it obviously
both a slide again to Ellie and at that moment,
she you could tell she broke And then they get
back to Jackson and she just kind of drops the

(48:16):
truth bomb on Gail. And and Tommy's there too, and
you know, you know from Tommy's body language, it didn't
seem like he was very surprised. No, not at all,
because you know, he did that when they were kids.
And I love that touch, by the way, I love
the touch of them flashbacking to their childhood and Joel's
sticking up for Tommy. And they said in the after show,

(48:40):
there's like, you know, Joel always has this savior complex.
He wants he wants to be the person that is
saving the people that he loves, and Tommy being one
of them and now Ellie being the other, and that
circle has obviously grown a lot with the people of Jackson.
Maybe not to the extent of Ellie and Tommy, but yeah,

(49:01):
it's it was a very powerful couple of scenes, and
we get leading up to the dance, you know, months
later and kind of having it all spill out on
the dance floor and then back on the porch. So
it was it was a good It was a great
episode with a lot of emotional upbeats and it just

(49:26):
it was great. It was great.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I loved how they they told that the New Year's
Eve party, the New Year's Eve celebration from Joel's perspective
of that night, Like, I thought that was a nice
touch to that. And I want to go back to Eugene.
I think what's interesting is Joel with Ellie is not

(49:48):
thinking of the greater good at all. No, but in
this case with Eugene, he is thinking about the greater
good because that is one of their rules. Is that, Okay,
your bit, you can't come back to the to the
you know, to Jackson. You have to be put down
or whatever. But him, he's following the rules in this instance,

(50:10):
but of course he lies. He says he's going to
do this, he doesn't do it. And it's just it's
an interesting juxtaposition of he's willing to do the right
thing in this case, even though it's kind of jacked up,
but with Ellie, no, not so much. He kills everybody.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, I mean, you know you you you know obviously
play the game, watch the series up to here. It's
not surprising that he did that. He lied about it all,
all that kind of thing. And you know from his perspective.
You know, if I'm Joel and that's my daughter, I
do the same thing, right, I have no hesitation whatsoever.

(50:50):
I'm not gonna saying the results would have been the same,
because I probably would have gotten killed, but no, my
intentions would have been the same. And do I blame
La to be upset about upset about, you know, Joel
not being there to give serve your quote purpose? No,
I don't. And I think if you're in Ellie's perspective,

(51:11):
you know, shoes, I think you're kind of feeling the
same way, which I love, you know, the game and
the show kind of do the same thing where you
put them in other people's perspectives and you you try
to and I think for some part, for most of
the part parts, I think drug Neil Truckman does a
good job of giving that just juxtaposition for all of

(51:33):
these characters. And I don't know in the game, I
don't know if Abby kind of get ay, the Abby
character gets that, because I think a lot of people
just hate that character and just just the rage that
they feel about that character. But I think and maybe
it's just portrayed, you know, a little lighter on in
the in the show, but I think Abby's in that

(51:53):
same boat where your dad gets killed and this mad
man comes through bringing in somebody that it's supposed to
save all of mankind, and he kills everybody, including your
dad and just walks out with her with the cure
and just out the door. So I think they do
a good job of giving each perspective of why we
should be feeling empathetic or sympathetic towards these characters and

(52:16):
trying to get us to see the perspective. Even Seth Yeah,
the beginning where he's like trading lego pieces for cake sets.
There you know, trading Joel cake for these lego pieces
for his grandkids. So you you understand, like you try
to understand some of these perspectives. Seth maybe a bigot,

(52:37):
but he's a you know, grandpa loving that grandpa loving
grandkid loving grandpa that wants lego pieces and he'll trade
that for service, right, So it's they try to get
you to understand the other perspective. Some parts work, some
parts don't, but at least I think going into each episode,

(53:03):
if you get introduced to or an extended view of
a character, know that they're trying to get you to
know their perspective. And I think, and I really do
like that about the show.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I think we talked about it last week, the black
and white nature of things, It's not that case all
the time. We operate in a lot of gray area.
And while Joel did a horrendous thing at the end
of season one, you see why he did it well
in the beginnings of this episode letting a Girl Live

(53:35):
her life, although albeit it's in the apocalypse, but he's
they have these moments of just complete joy and he
gets to share in these like father daughter moments that
you know, he got to experience a little bit with
his kid Sarah, but maybe didn't get to obviously as

(53:57):
much as he could have because she was killed early on.
So you see the love that he has for Ellie
and what he's willing to do for Ellie to keep
her safe and to watch out for her, and he
basically sacrifices the world to keep her safe. And so
I think in that instance, she is obviously angry, frustrated, sad,

(54:18):
but at the same time, you see, like, you know,
when she starts to say, but I am willing to
I don't know that I can forgive you, but I'm
willing to try. I thought that was just such a
oh wow, that that just hit me in the feels,
and you know she does. You know, they were on
they had their issues as she got older. Obviously what

(54:40):
parent doesn't have issues with their older child at some point,
but they still deeply cared for each other and the
bond was still very strong even when they were kind
of on the outs towards the end of it.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah, and I think you know, you get a they
didn't they didn't leave on bad terms. They actually kind
of uh you know, put their kind of talk to
talked about it, and I think you know, I think
a lot of people are like, oh man, the last
thing that they you know, she said to him was like,
you know, it was the curse at him and and

(55:20):
and that that obviously wasn't the case. And you know,
you kind of get a good story, not a story book, dy,
but you get a very nicely put ending to their relationship,
obviously coming to a raw, to a crashing halt because
of what happened, but you know, at least you know
and Joel knows when he did die that his relationship

(55:41):
was with Ellie was getting better. It was wasn't perfect,
but it was a perfect it was turned it was
it was the hemorrhaging stopped. They put a bandage around
the around the wound. It's not infected or at least
it's it's you're in the clear for now. So so
that's that was a nice, uh, you know, nice send off,

(56:04):
and it was kind of like kind of a book
kind of like a nice ending to the Joel character.
And you know, from here on out, I would imagine
we're not going to see Pedro Pascal in any of
these episodes, uh, and just kind of like look forward
a little bit. But yeah, after this episode. You're you
look at this and be like, if Pedro Pascal or
Bella Ramsey winsday, Emmy, Emmy, it's because of this.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Oh yeah, I mean that that port scene was so
well acted, so well done, had mean tearing up. Did
you did you hear.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Neil Druckman in the after show? Yes, he was so
scared for that scene because he's so nervous. Yeah, he
was just like, you know, we got you know, we
kind of have to get this scene correctly and all
that stuff. And then he was he was a while
that was playing out. You know, he was talking about
how peop he was crying and people around him were
crying and how like you know, he was kind of

(56:54):
sitting there like why did I ever doubt these two?
And yeah, beautiful performance between between the two of them.
And I think Bella, I think Bello Ramsey was the
one that said, like it just when when in that
in that situation it was just her and and uh,
Pedro Pascal in the scene There's nobody else or like,
you know, obviously people around, but they were just like

(57:15):
it was just them too, kind of talking to each other,
and yeah, you just kind of see why they casted
Pedro Pascal and Joel Miller uh and and Bella Ramsey
just puts another strong performance together. And you know, coupled this,
couple this performance with the performance that we got after

(57:36):
Joel's death, I think you know safe to say season
three is gonna be you know, squarely on Bella Ramsey's shoulder.
And I would say I'm pretty confident. Uh if some
of the writing has been a little bumpy this season,
but when when they needed to, you know, kind of
nut up, uh and just kind of deliver in crucial

(57:58):
situations with scenes like I think they've done a very
very good job, and the actors and actresses have done
a very very good job of putting you know, emotional
pieces like this together. And it's and again, set design,
I absolutely love this. That's the best thing about the show.

(58:20):
As much as I go on about the acting, the
set design in this show, with the t Rex and
the and the spaceship and and the astronaut costume and
just the I forget what you what you call the
thing that she rotates with the solar system. I forget
what the machine is called. I think, yeah, it's just
it just just beautiful, just beautiful, almost a recreation from

(58:46):
the video game. It was just just absolutely stunning.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
And I think they talked about it too, how when
she when when Bella and Pedro are actually in the
in the capsule, or at least maybe Bella was in
the capsule, they had a what was it, two like
rigs that were doing the lighting outside and it was
like a choreograph thing to get that effect of like
launching into into space and everything. Like, I thought that

(59:12):
was such a cool addition and to know that's kind
of how they were doing it was a choreographed spin
move on the outside of that capsule as there as
they're doing that. That's so well done. And yeah, the
production design, set design is just it's it's breathtaking in
some moments because it is just a it's not just

(59:33):
because it's it's let me think how to say it,
you know, And breathtaking could be a lot of things.
And breathtaking could be like when you talk about something
like the House of the House of the Dragon, you're
seeing these giant castles, you're seeing this, you're seeing that,
or like Rings of Power, same thing. But it this
world feels so real, even with all the apocalyptic nature

(59:59):
of it, or even better for it, with the apocalyptic
nature for it, Like it all just feels so real
and so well done with how they craft these scenes
and scenarios and you know, the riding out on the trail.
I mean, it's just it's all well just really well done,
well shot, and I just I love how the world
feels so tangible and real, like I could go out

(01:00:21):
to Jackson and see the dinosaur and see this and
see that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, and they've done a very good job with location
and practical stuff is something that this is a huge strength.
I do have to say that some of the CGI
stuff needs work. The giraffes don't look great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I think those are real cig I mean, those are
real giraffes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I thought were they really?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
They looked a little weird. But anyway, their practical stuff
is just so good. It's so good. And just knowing
that you could see g like you could put you
didn't have to do that with the rigs and the
camera like you could have just done that in post,
but you did it anyway. It's just like, man, Bravo
to you guys, Like just you know, there's you know,

(01:01:09):
some certain major studios that may need you know, that
may need some people to come design some stuff for
you guys. Take gun in uh in in in in
the MCU Uh, why why are you putting dots on
on a gun? Seeg a gun?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Why no?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
But uh, it's been so well done they don't even
you know, like Star Wars has you know, played around
with the dome. The dome thing looks great, looks very CG.
You guys are doing all things practical. Severance is another
show that has done a lot of practical things, practical

(01:01:54):
sets and and and whatnot. And if you have if
you've seen Severnce the episode in the wood it's in
the snow and all that stuff, it's if I think
it took weeks to film just because they had to
get the right conditions. And you do, you put that
love into it and you get the perfect shot. It
just feels that much better and looks that much better,

(01:02:15):
and it's just it doesn't take you out of it.
Like like it's almost like watching sports and having a
good commentator. You don't you don't realize that they're there,
but you get that bad commentator. You just yeah, you
just can't unhear them. And he's like, God, this game
is so slow. This game is so awful and having

(01:02:36):
good practical effects. I think it's the same thing like
you you and then like having wonky CG. It's just
like what's going on? And I think there their practical
team is is. I can't remember the last time a
project was this big and they've used almost practical effects

(01:02:56):
for everything and it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
The draft was real. Some of the setting around the
draft was CGI, but.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Maybe that's maybe that was what gave it a wonky
feeling to it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, the Naboo, the thirteen year old draft was real.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Okay, well, good to know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I do think the eugene of it all and making
it just simply a now he got bit and yeah
he got put down. I think the simplicity of it
was so well done and smart to handle, because that's
probably the biggest difference in terms of the game and

(01:03:37):
with where we were at in this show, in this
particular episode. But I thought that was just such a
smart choice to not over complicate it, not over convoluted. Yes,
he has ties to the Fireflies, but there was no
mention of what happened with salt Lake with him or
anything like that, Like it just it made it just
a real situation and a real like this is how

(01:04:00):
Ellie put two and two together. And I like the
simplicity of that moment. I like the simplicity of just
you know, them sharing these moments and having to deal
with a teenage daughter in the apocalypse and coming to
find h oh, she's she has a girl over and
she's getting tattooed and she's smoking smoking some weed. Like

(01:04:22):
just doing all the things all at once, the trifecta,
and then but also like just having these subtle like
I don't know, I just I was so surprised by
how so simple yet complex everything was for this for
this episode, it was just a what a different penultimate
episode than I was expecting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yeah, definitely. And I think I mentioned this last week
my my shock and surprise that we only have seven
episodes this season and the sixth and I was, you know,
I think I said, last six beats the penultimate the
number six before the finale was going to be focused
on something that happened in the past. It was a flashback.

(01:05:05):
I thought that was like, I thought that was a
good you know, crazy that you tackle something like that.
But and then you know episode seven is going to tackle,
I would imagine tackle. I would be I would be
very disappointed if we don't get a huge penultimate feel
to the finale, because I feel like most penultimate episodes

(01:05:25):
to every almost every big drama show are the bigger
set piece ones where there's a lot of action, and
I'm I hope that we get that in the finale. Yeah,
it's just a yeah, great episode, hoping for a hoping
for the season to go out with the blast, and

(01:05:46):
I'm hoping, Manny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Dies do you think you know? We referenced it at
the beginning with the opening scene set in nineteen eighty
three in Austin with with their dad and how he
goes into the story about him getting punched by his
dad and how he's trying to do things a little

(01:06:08):
like just hoping that he can do things a little
bit better, and Joel kind of says the same thing
to Ellie. I believe it's Joel says it's kind of
the same thing to Ellie. Right now, I think Ellie's
on the path to be just like Joel, right like
she's just gonna just murder everybody because of the love

(01:06:28):
that was taken away and seeing Joel get killed in
front of her is there? Does this version do things
a little bit better? Does this version of Ellie do
things a little bit better and maybe come to a
realization that the path she's on is probably not the
best path.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I think we had glimpses. You know, I'm gonna be
a dad thing. I think, you know, cheesy, but I
think it also gives you kind of hope, wellness with
with with Ellie and knowing that there is a brighter
future for her and for Dina if they end up,
you know, being together and escaping Seattle. I think that

(01:07:13):
gives her hope. So I think there is hope in
the horizon, uh, for for her, I I don't know.
The rage is pretty blinding, especially right now. I don't

(01:07:37):
know how she can get over that rage without dealing
with it, and I don't know, it doesn't seem like
she's open to, you know, coming to terms with this
rage and with Joel's death mentally before she can try

(01:07:58):
taking out her anger on Abby and getting revenge, like,
I don't see it. And if she doesn't, obviously, killing
Abby is not going to solve that rage, and you know,
the emptiness that losing Joel, it's not going to fill it.
We've seen this way too many times in real life
and in fiction that just because you get quote revenge,

(01:08:24):
it's not gonna fix it. It's just still going to
be this gaping hole that is left in your soul
and spirit that is just no matter what you do,
is going to fill it until you come to terms
with it, you know, get some help. I don't know
if she's gonna be able to cope with that. I
really don't does it From up to this point, this

(01:08:47):
character that we've seen with Ellie is very turned off
by talking about her feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Revenge is like the at this point for her, revenge
is only going to be a little bandage that you
put on a gaping wound, like it's not going to
do anything. Yeah, it may do something for a little bit,
but you have to treat the wound at the source
of it. And she's not doing that as of now.

(01:09:15):
And the only factor that could make her really take
a step back would be maybe Dina or just something
that is said between I mean, I don't know, she
has so much vitriol for Abby. I don't know that
there's anything between the two of them currently, But Dina
feels like the key here in terms of coming to

(01:09:37):
a maybe I shouldn't go down this path, maybe even
a Tommy Now. I know a lot of people have
had problems with Tommy not being in the situation with
Joel in episode two and seeing things happen in the games,
he is very much on that revenge journey to a

(01:09:57):
certain extent as well. This version doesn't seem like that's happening,
and it won't be the case with this version of Tommy,
and maybe he's going to be a key for for
Ellie and in terms of realizing that the path that
she's going down is a dark one that is not
the right the right path to go down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, And I don't think we needed that from the
Tommy character in the show. We don't need doppel gangers
character like suffering the same trauma, going after the same revenge.
There was no point of him having to be there,
which is one of the big differences that you can
do in a game and Versyria. In the game, you
don't have to see Tommy, right, you're not playing with Tommy.

(01:10:41):
You're playing with Abby and Ellie and Joel from time
to time. And in the show it works differently where
you're gonna see Tommy pretty regularly, and you do, and
you just don't need both of them doing the same thing, right,
and you just kind of have you know, you in
the show, you have to address things that are happening

(01:11:01):
in Jackson, and they made a nice touch of changing
adding the attack on Jackson in in that episode right
where it was, you know, something that was vastly improved
on from the game, from the from the game where
you don't get that in the game, right. So yeah,
I just I I take an issue with people that

(01:11:24):
are still complaining about the show that it's not the game,
and I think there's pushback from people that are enjoying
both finally realizing, Hey, you don't like the show, go
play the game. It's not the same medium. It's not
meant for to be the same. If you want a
carbon copy of the video game, then go then go

(01:11:47):
watch cut scenes on YouTube. It's it's just not the same.
They don't play the same out and Tommy doesn't need
to be on this revenge tour like Ellie. You're just
you know, you're you're putting two characters with the same
motives and the same emotion beats together and it just doesn't.
It doesn't make the product better, right have him deal

(01:12:07):
with different things in different situation. The attack on Jackson
added significant value to the TV show and Tommy being
an actual leader where he has to care about things
that are outside of you know, some of the he's pissed.
Of course, he's pissed that Joel has passed away. I
would I do wish we spent a little bit more

(01:12:28):
time with Tommy talking about how much he's lost with
uh with with Joel not being there. We got some
of that while he was cleaning his body. I wish they,
you know, maybe five minutes to that episode to kind of,
you know, kind of just you know, sit there and
just kind of grieve with Tommy. I think would have
been kind of cool. But I don't think it's you know,
that definitely didn't take away from that episode. But yeah,

(01:12:49):
I just people need to kind of like calm down
about the show and the in the game. It's just
it's just you have to. And I think maybe I
got caught in that earlier in the season where I'm
comparing watching things about the video game and then and
then watching the show now kind of flip it the

(01:13:10):
other way where watch the episode then go back and
see what they changed, which kind of you know, obviously
it's it doesn't help, but it just he's like, Oh,
that's a nice subtle difference from the game and the show,
and oh I liked it. They did it here better.
It's it adds this here, it takes away from here.
The nice touch of I love you at the end

(01:13:30):
on on the porch scene is not in the video game.
And I really do think that adds a lot of
value on the TV show and I think they did
a good job there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
So and I love when when they do have the
moments of like I think it was Craig Mazin who
saw the sequence from the game of Ellie living out
the the the Apollo eleven capsule, and he's like, that's
got to be in the in the show, Like we
got to do that for the show. Like I find
that interesting how things are pulled directly from the game

(01:14:01):
and they adjust certain things for the show because again,
it's a different medium, it's a different style. And I
do wonder with Tommy one, do you think we get
him in the next episode, because based off the coming
up next, it didn't feel like we were it felt
more like a Jesse Jesse Ellie and a bit of

(01:14:23):
Dina still focused. But we know Tommy's somewhere around there,
So do you think we see him in that episode
and a follow up? Do we get a maybe a
Tommy centric episode in season three?

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I would hope so for both. I hope that they
catch up with Tommy. I mean they were all, you know,
kind of headed back to kind of meet up and
kind of go from there. It feels like we're headed
that way, and maybe we get a reunion with Tommy
maybe in the back end of this episode in the finale.

(01:14:56):
And yes, I think we get a lot more you know,
a lot more Tommy with Gabe Luna in season three
and it kind of, you know, you're going away from
one miller to another, and I think that's kind of
a natural transition to kind of keep keep us around
people that we know and that you know, people love.

(01:15:17):
And I don't know if people bevity game video game
players love the Tomic character, and I think I think
I think that is a consensus of they did a
much better job in the show with the Tomic character. Yeah, so,
but yeah, I think yes to both. I think Tommy
is going to appear in a good amount in the
next episode. And I think that Tommy gets a good

(01:15:41):
focus on in season three, or at least I hope so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I hope so because I like what Gabriel Luna's
done with the character, and he's made the character feel
I mean, obviously he's written different for for the TV version,
but he's made the character feel so much of made
it his own. But I really like this version of Tommy.
Nothing against the game version. I just I really like

(01:16:05):
this version of tom Ray because of the the nuance
that Gabriel Luna brings.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Yeah, and I think in season one when he finally
when Joel and Tommy finally read a night after you know,
they talked for a little bit, he's he basically tells
Joel he was just like, I'm not You're just and
I'm paraphrasing here. He basically explains to him, Hey, like
I'm not You're just your younger brother anymore, like I
there's so many other people that you know, count on,

(01:16:30):
you know, me and what we do here like I have.
He basically has to wear a wider lens than uh
than Joel, because like he is, basically, you know, I
wouldn't say he's a mayor, but he's basically one of
the people. He's obviously a council member, and he's one
of the people that are a big key figure in

(01:16:52):
the city, and that is housing you know, thousands of people,
I would say hundreds and thousands of people. So he
can't lose focus if he'd us, then you know, there
are hundreds of thousands of people that are in grave
danger and he can't. He just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Right exactly any other points on the Last of Us
before we wrap up, sad to see.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Patro Pascal go. I mean, we all kind of knew
that this was coming. Uh, you know, even before the
season where the golf trip jokes were made. When Pedro packa,
Oh Pedro Pascal started to shoot the last of a
season too, We're all kind of like, oh, it must
just going to be a short schedule. He has a
tea time, he has to meet, uh, And then people
were very confused about why he's shooting fantastic for so

(01:17:40):
quickly out right after the Last of Us started to shoot,
But no, it's you know, having seeing it looked like
that museum scene was the last thing that he shot,
because it almost felt like a goodbye in that after
show where he was kind of hugging people and just
kind of like talking to the cats and crew, and
I was, you know, it's a very sad, you know

(01:18:02):
part of all this. And then no, it was just
that port scene is going to resonate, I think with
a lot of viewers, and I think we take away
from this episode, or at least I did, just of
how much generational trauma really hurts people, and I think

(01:18:26):
them addressing it a couple of times just trying to
do better, you know that line in Spider Man, I'm
just trying to do better. I think it was really
resonates with me. And I'm glad that they hit that
kind of emotional beats to this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah. Same, The emotional beats were so poignant in this one.
And again, I just love the focus on just the
happy days as much as we you know, the show
had hit you in the in the sad feels, there
is some happiness here. And I really liked that we
spent not just like a little bit of time, but
like an extended amount of time showcasing the happy times

(01:19:04):
that Joel and Ellie shared and you know, just all
that so you know, I do have one complaint though,
Oh go ahead, shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
I wish that this episode, I even though this was
an hour long, I wish that this episode was like
an hour fifteen minutes because I really do think in
those flashbacks to every episode, I think we could have
spent an extra couple of minutes in every single scene
because I think they both of them together are great TV.

(01:19:33):
They play off each other very very well, and I
think we could have left a little bit more emotional
scars to people and you know, just a lot of
more somber moments between the two. I think would have
added just a little bit more to that port scene.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
No, I'm not complaining though, but I'm like, you know,
I'm I'm just saying it could have been you know,
an hour ten or an hour fifteen. I think with
the after credits and the credits, it was like an
hour eleven or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I think so so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I think the episode itself was like a little over
an hour, but it was you know, I think an
hour ten would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Chef's Kiss it was so good. Well, we'll find out
how long they go with next week's episode. How long
that one is? The season two season finale, episode seven.
We'll find out about that and talk about it next
week on issue five ninety six of Comiccasts. But that's
going to do it for issue five ninety five of Comiccast.

(01:20:36):
Thank you all for listening wherever you are. We greatly
appreciate it. As always, you can follow us on social media.
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(01:21:07):
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