Issue 597: Jong's Got Beef with the Duffer Brothers, Why Did It Take Over 3 Years!?!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can do this you. Oh, hello their Internet.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome to issue five and ninety seven of Comiccast. I'm
Michael Carroll alongside John Lee Jong.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm doing well. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm doing very well. Uh.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's interesting, you know, we were talking about it beforehand,
about what we're exactly covering, because it's been a while
since we've had an episode where or an issue where
it's there's not a Daredevil episode, it's not the Last
of Us episode, it's not Thunderbolts, it's not anything specific
this week. It's kind of a catch all issue of

(01:11):
Comiccast today.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, I feel like Ricky Bobby being interviewed and not
knowing what to do with my hands. They just closer
and closer to my face. No, it's been a while
since we've actually had one of these issues where it's
kind of more of a free for all, and it

(01:35):
kind of feels, Yeah, it kind of feels like, hey,
what do we do? I know, right, But you know,
there's a lot of newsworthy stuff that we can discuss,
and we haven't talked about what we've been watching in
a while either, So we can catch up people on
some other shows outside of what we normally watch and

(01:55):
give some good or at least what we think are
good recommendations, and some movies that are coming up that
are probably good to check out as well. So yeah,
it's gonna be one of those laid back episodes. And
you know who knows along the way in these next
couple of weeks that we might fall into a TV

(02:16):
show that we really really enjoy and then we might
spend a lot of time on that too, so very much.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So, yeah, I do want to catch up on what
we've been watching, because there's there's some interesting TV and
some movies that.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
And some news that I just I want to get
off my some ranting.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I want to do some good ranting. That's what that's
what we're about here. Yeah, well, things.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
That are very strange.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
We actually if I opened up with that, So I'm
glad you have a rant ready to go for that.
But first, you can follow us on social media. I'm
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Speaker 3 (02:49):
Five and I'm at one Punch and you can.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
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seven to five and ninety two to five Wednesday nights
at eight pm. And Comic Pluza is happening June twentyth
through the twenty second at the George R. Brown Convention Center.

(03:15):
And guess what if you hadn't listened to the last
few issues of Comiccasts, We're gonna be there. We're gonna
be podcasting live from the Podcast Pavilion stage, which is
on the exhibit floor Saturday, June twenty first, at three pm.
It'll be myself, it'll be Jong, it'll be Brad Gilmore
and Chalise Williams of Real Movie Junkie, Brad Gilmore, of course,

(03:35):
of Hall of Fame, Reality of Wrestling, Back to the Future,
just all the things, and we will be ranking the
MCUs Multiverse film saga. So we're just sticking with the
films of the Multiverse so far. So that's taken us
through Thunderbolts and beginning with I Guess Black Widow. I
need to make the list and double check. But we

(03:55):
will be doing a group ranking, single ranking live on stage,
and once a film has been selected, it's locked in
that slot. So there's gonna be order to it. There's
gonna be some rules. We'll explain more of that next
week as we get closer to the event. But if
you want more info tickets, all that stuff, passes, you

(04:18):
go to comic pluza dot com or follow them on
social media to find out the latest because there's like
pickup points for like picking up your passes early, your
badges early, as well as just different events leading up
to it. I think they were at Eureka Heights this
past weekend, so like, you got all sorts of stuff
going on with comic Pluza again, happening just two weeks,

(04:39):
two and a half weeks from now.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, very exciting stuff. Usually I think happened a morning
day weekend was the thing, and they pushed it back
a few weeks, almost a month. They pushed back almost
a month. So it's it's gonna be one of those
great events. Hydrate yourself because it's indoors, but you know,
God forbid, how you know you park? You know, fifteen minutes,

(05:02):
fifteen minute walk. I would imagine it's going to get
blistering hot that day in the middle of June. So yeah,
come prepared, be ready to I would be ready to
see a bunch of amazing things, and I think you'll
depending on what you want to see. I think you
can cater your your schedule around that too. So yeah,

(05:25):
go check out Coming Cluses website and make sure that
you're have you have a plan when you get there,
because I would imagine Saturday, when we're out there, it's
going to get very very busy and yeah, crowded too,
So make sure you know where you're going. Download the app.
I think the app should tell you where everything is. Yeah,

(05:48):
they have a fantastic app, so do that. And then
just you know, kind of a loose plan, say you
want to spend a you know, a hour or two
here and an hour or two there. Kind of make
your plans that way, and I think that going in
with the strategy is always safer and just because you know,
you kind of know where, kind of know where the

(06:08):
layout is once you get there, it can't get a
little overwhelming. But but yeah, it's gonna be good times.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, the app has come really in handy for me
in the last few years in that I've been able
to kind of plan, like you mentioned, planning your days
accordingly because it'll allow you to select different panels and
things that you're interested in, and it'll give you reminders
to that. So that's helped me in terms of building
how I want to attack the Saturday or the Sunday

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or whatever. And this year, I think it just came
out over the weekend that Hayden Christensen's panel is going
to be Friday night at seven, So for folks that
want to check his panel out tomorrow. Morrison at ming
naw wins panel I think is on Sunday, but again
check out the schedule. It's live on Comic blues dot
com or download the app makes things a lot easier.

(06:56):
But yeah, we'll be there podcasting, doing the things, and
then looking at all the things, so we're excited for that.
We'll also be joined by Fred of Dirft Designs on
the next issue of Comic Cast. He'll be out there
selling all his merchandise. I said that really weird. I
don't know why I said that, really weird. He'll be
out there selling his merchandise, so go check him out.

(07:17):
He's in his I was talking to him not too
long ago, and he's in a booth that's very close
to where he was last year. So and I was
telling him that was like a prime spot for him,
So I'm glad he's kind of in the same area.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
So yeah, go check out Drift Designs dot com. One
of the cool things, or like my favorite thing about
about it is like he integrates, like Houston into a
lot of the pop culture stuff. I think one of
my favorites is that HTx X men ninety seven hoodie.
Yeah it's it's sold out, but maybe he'll have some

(07:50):
on site when he's there. I know he has to
be someone T shirt as well. So like there's a
lot of cool, cool things that he has on his
on his website and that's Houston related and also stuff
that are not Houston related. So go definitely if you
can't make it out to Comic Palooza, that duck Wing
dark Wing dark Wing duck shirt is really really cool.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it was really dope. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, if you can't check out, you know, Drift Designs
at Comic Pluza, make sure you check it out online.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, definitely go check out Fred and Fred and all
his work. He's awesome. But yeah, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Can't wait to have him on the podcast Can't Wait
to Do Podcast Live from Comic Plusa again Saturday, June
twenty first, at three pm at the Podcast Pavilion stage.
You can find us there and you find us on
the schedule, so check us out there. I want to
start today. We were talking about it beforehand, again, like
I mentioned earlier, about what we were going to talk about,
What stories and things like that we want to get into.

(08:50):
There's a lot of rumors that we want to get into,
but I kind of want to start with jongs Rant.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I like a good jong Rant.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I don't know about everyone else out there, but I'm
a fan of a good jong And it has to
do with Netflix and Stranger Things and all that. This
past Saturday, Netflix held an event, the Teddom Event.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
See what they did there because the tidom.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
And it's I think it was like two or three
hours long, and it's basically a celebration, if you will,
of all of Netflix. So not only did we get
a teaser to Stranger Thing season five, or Germo del
Toro's trailer for his new movie Frankenstein, or Wake Up
dead Men, the New Knives Out movie, Ryan Johnson movie,

(09:37):
we also got stuff about the reality shows and it's
a very it's a very interesting event because it's a
catch all for all the different genres. But I think
for our audience, the biggest thing is Stranger Things. We
got released dates plural in that Season five is gonna
be broken up into three volumes. The first volume is

(10:00):
going to release Wednesday, November twenty sixth if you're wondering,
that's the day before Thanksgiving. The second volume releases Thursday,
December twenty fifth, that's called Christmas for folks, and Wednesday,
New Year's Eve, December thirty first will be the finale.
Interesting release schedule. Let me clear the floor, though, John,
What's what's got you upset?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Why? Why are you angry?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I guess I need I need something cleared up? Was it?
Was it clarified? Is a Volume one episode?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
That part I'm unclear on because there's like five or
six episodes, so Volume one maybe like two or three.
Next one might be two or three, And then it
feels like the finale is just the one episode on
New Year's Eve.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
So IMDb has it as episodes one through three as
Volume no, episode one through four as Volume one episode,
or at least they have it on the schedule. Episode
five and six are scheduled for the twenty fifth. There
is a unknown date for episode seven, and episode eight

(11:07):
is excuse me something, I'm out thrown episode maybe you know,
vomit or discussed. Episode eight is on the thirty first
of December. Okay, a little better. I assumed just one

(11:28):
episode per volume, which which would be very upsetting, very upsetting.
This is better news.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
One thing that bothers me is that each volume looks
like it's different lengthd episodes, which is you know, that
just is a me thing, I guess, But it's just
one volume is four episodes, another one is two maybe three,
and the other on the last one's another two or
three two or one or two. So so that part
I guess it's maybe IMDb has a wrong who knows.

(11:59):
But the way it looks like it's gonna be as
multiple episodes per release, which is it's it's better now
if they did one episode per you know, one episode
per date release, volume release, I would be infuriating. I
don't know why you wouldn't do it weekly. It just
seems weird. Okay, we've gone on these this topic before,

(12:22):
and and I think we can always circle back to
Game of Thrones kind of starting this trend of releasing
seasons years apart, and I it's not a Stranger Things
thing because between season one and two is a little
over year per release, and I know the Duffer brothers

(12:42):
wanted to shoot these pretty quickly because the kids were
gonna rapidly gage. Well we get I think at past
season two you're just like, oh, screw this, these planes
are you know, all screwed up. We're gonna do multiple,
you know, years in between seasons, and there's a fine
line between you know, take your time and get it
right and just the borderline just absurd. You go from

(13:10):
one year release the season one was released in the
summer of twenty sixteen, which you know binge watching Model
at that time, and I think all of these were
the Binge Model releases, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think up until like season four was uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Season four was broken up into two main parts, which
I think through season four one through seven was all released,
and then episode eight and nine, I think the big
the big ones. I think a little over a month
later they released those two. So between season one was

(13:48):
one year. A little over a year between season three,
Season two and season three is where we got it
to almost two years. So the season two released in
October Halloween, you know kind of you know, they the
kids were tricker treating, which kind of made sense. And
then season three released July fourth of twenty nineteen, which

(14:13):
almost two years, you know, right season between season three
and season four. And this is where it gets ridiculous.
This is almost three years in between season three and four.
That is insane to me. You miss it by one,

(14:33):
you miss it by about five weeks. May twenty seventh,
twenty twenty two. Season four comes out. At this point,
this is Millie Bobby Brown now is twenty one, This
was three. Millie Bobby Brown is eighteen at this point,
she's legally a grown woman. And this show. I know

(14:56):
the Duffers wanted some time skips, stuff like that, but
you watch season four. You could have done this maybe
a year or two after season three. It just didn't
need to be that long. And then season this, I
guess this is I don't know if you call this
less egregious. Between season four and season five, it's another

(15:22):
three years. It's insanity to me. Ten years from one
to five and we got what nine years of breaking
bad every single year. I really don't understand, like how
this continues to happen, like, you can't justify. You can't

(15:46):
sit here and justify and tell me I'm sorry. Breaking
Bad one only six five seasons. You can't sit here
and justify and tell me this is worth three three
years of waiting, Like I I, you really can't like

(16:07):
you in this period of time. If the pit started.
We've been through three seasons, and they've come out and
said we're dedicated to releasing every season every single year
that since. And they and they're going on a twelve
thirteen episode season. That's crazy to me. I just I

(16:28):
don't understand, Like there's gonna be so many recap in this.
I guess this is great for content creators. Oh, you're
gonna have to recap every freaking season to lead lead,
lead us. Up to this point, the only thing I
remember is is the Sadie Sinks. I don't even remember
their damn names. Sadie Sink's character is in this trance
UH eleven just blew up the bass and and and

(16:51):
that's the only thing I remember from the the and
those those things happened in the last two episodes and
the Johnny Storm. He died in one of those episode episodes.
I even forget his name. Yeah, I just yeah, it's
it's insanity and I need it to stop. I need

(17:12):
this stuff to stop. Like two years, I think it's
it's it's the it's the breaking point. Like I feel
like if you go two years, you wait, like you haven't,
Like what have you been doing when the show at
least until the show finishes? Are you not writing? I

(17:34):
don't understand, like not just stranger things like like just
there's other shows that have done this exact same thing.
Do you go on this giant vacation and decide to oh,
I'll get to the next like Matt Reeves Matt Man, Like,
do you like just say I'll just put this on

(17:55):
the back burner and and not do this not come?
There's no sense of urgency. It really isn't. And there's
and there's it And like I said, there's a fine
line between getting it right, taking your time and getting
it right versus waiting five three years in between seasons.
And that's no exaggeration. Like that just seems insane to me.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, the most recent gap between seasons is probably the
most egregious because really you're looking at over.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Three three years, three years.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's probably close to three and a half years, like,
that's just that shouldn't happen. I feel like, and it's
not like Stranger Things was waiting for green lights each year, right,
they were getting green lit like really quickly, and it
felt like there was a plan early on, hence why
we got a season one, season two pretty quickly. I

(18:50):
can't put this all on the actors and actresses just
being super busy, Like I guess you could partially put
it on some of it, but.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
No, I know, I don't at all, No, no, no.
I would imagine after every season. Okay, maybe I don't
have the I don't have the contract details or whatnot,
but I could almost assume that almost every single actor
and actress in this show, this is the this is
the show that gives them the most money, maybe aside

(19:22):
from David Harbor, who has like I don't know how
much The Thunderbolts paid him, Marvel paid him for that,
but like, aside from David Harbor and maybe Millie Bobby Brown,
I can imagine this is the biggest project for every
single one of those kids and adults. I cannot. I
cannot wrap my head around that. Other things come have

(19:46):
take precedent over stranger things, and I, without knowing anything,
I would almost put the entire blame on the Duffer brothers.
This is a I feel like this is a writing thing,
Like this is a writing thing. And then and then

(20:06):
though they've they probably it's not out of the realm
possibility that they tell the actors and actresses, Oh, go,
you know, go find your own things. Whatever, you know,
if you want to shoot you know, a Nola what
is it Anola Nola Holmes homes, whatever you want to do,
you know that kind of stuff, go ahead and do it,

(20:26):
and then we'll get to you. We'll let you know
when we have you know, when we have something ready.
And I'm sure that's kind of how the process works,
but it's just it's just insane insanity in me. I
went back to Breaking Bad, arguably people's favorite show of
all time, and I'm going to tell you five seasons.

(20:49):
Season one January twenty, twenty twenty eight, two thousand and eight,
Season two March two thousand and nine, season three March
two thousand and ten, Season four July twenty eleven, and
season five July fifteenth, twenty twenty twelve, the longest they've

(21:13):
gone in between premieres is thirteen months. Like every single
actor and actress and writer and showrunner and producer and
just everybody involved as studio exec involved at AMC and
on the show, they bred slept and ate breaking Bad

(21:34):
for six plus years, five seasons, you know, give some
time for pre shooting season one and then doing raps
for season five and you know rep carpet events and
awards and all that. They did that for six straight years,
and they gave us an entire series, whereas in ten years.
In ten years, we still haven't finished five seasons of

(21:58):
Stranger Things, like it pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm looking at their filmography, The Duffer Brothers, It's Wayward
Pines that was in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Stranger Things
twenty sixteen to twenty twenty five, and two things they're
TVD one of them, one of which is a Stranger
Things Tales from eighty five, and something called The Burrows.

(22:25):
I don't know too much about that. They're just executive
producers though on those things. They've only seemingly been working
on Stranger Things since twenty sixteen to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I just I don't know what to say because well,
the last season of Stranger Things was twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Two, Yeah, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
In between twenty twenty two, and I don't exactly know
when Nola Holmes came up, but Nola Holmes came out
in twenty twenty in twenty twenty two. I don't know
exact actly what month it came out in anyway, I
would imagine that she would do those back to back, right,
so in All Homes, Stranger Things, the last season Stranger Things,

(23:10):
in all Holmes back to back. So I won't count
in All Holmes because she was already doing Stranger Things too.
But Millie Bobby Brown has done two projects since the
last episode last season of Stranger Things two. One is Damsel,
which got a six point one yeah uh, and one

(23:33):
is Electric State Will. Both have came out twenty twenty
four and twenty twenty five. Ooh, And I you know
her and David Harbor. You would say those are probably
your two most well known actors and actresses out of
the show.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Correct, Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
And in David Harber's case and Stranger Things, he's been
he's been more busy he's done excluding the stuff that
he's done in twenty twenty two, because you know, I
would imagine they've he done Stranger Things in this in
whatever order that you want to do, he's done. We
have a ghost Grand Tino, Grand Tarismo, Alone of the Dark,

(24:21):
which was a voiceover for a video game Night of
the Zoo Apocalypse, which is another voiceover what if, which
I'm he did two episodes Creature Commandos, He's done seven.
He did Frankenstein, A working Man, and Thunderbolts, So those
more extensive than Millie Bobby Brown. But those are your
two top actors and actresses. And I can almost guarantee

(24:43):
you not one of those would take precedent over Stranger Things,
not one, not even Thunderbolts. So I you know, I'll
get off the soapbox in just a second here. But
it's embarrassing, like you can't put out a show in
less than three years, and like I just like it's

(25:08):
it's got, it's still happening to shows like House of
the Dragon, like it's not okay, and I and I
appreciate so much of what the message, what of what
Noah Wiley has has put out there, Like we're going
to release a season every single year, and that's the Plan,

(25:32):
and I really appreciate that sentiment, like that show is
very caring to service workers, people of first responders, and
people that are that are in the medical field. And
also it seems like they're very caring about just their
viewers right right, and and I really really do appreciate

(25:56):
that kind of stuff. And House of the Dragon, I
think it's like two years percon season, right, so the
next one's not even supposed to be out until twenty
twenty six, which is next year, you know. I And
and shows like that, I know they're more difficult to do,
which two years I'm not as I'm still a little upset,
but I'm not as upset as you know, what Stranger

(26:18):
Things has been putting us through. And even like the
Last of Us, they're saying like they want to shoot
and release. They're they're they're they're trying to do it
as soon as possible, which I appreciate. And even even
with the Last of Us, I think it was two
years in between seasons. Yeah, and even this one, like
they're not it's it's it sucks a little bit that
they're not going to start shooting until the end of

(26:39):
the year, which you know, puts a delay on a
lot of stuff, but you know, their messaging is like,
we're trying to get this out as as soon as possible.
But I haven't heard anything from the Duffer Brothers unless
I've missed it. It's just like, we'll get to it, guys.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
There hasn't been much worse, And it's not like some
of the other creators, like like a Neil Druckman who's
also helping run a game studio that's working on two
games right now, or Craig Mazin who's working on different projects.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Duffer Brothers, like, this is it. Maybe you have.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Those other two things that I mentioned earlier, but this
is the top priority. And to not have anything in
this amount of time, Like you said, epic story television
nowadays does take longer because it is more more akin
to movies than not, so it takes longer to shoot
these larger set pieces and all these extras and all

(27:37):
this and that. But still three and a half years though, bro,
like how it feels like they had I think they
early on they said they had like a four season
plan or something like that, four to five season plan,
And I wonder if over time, whether it's Netflix giving
them more money or whatever the case, they lost sight

(27:59):
of where they wanted to end, and it was like, well,
we could do this now, like we just make it bigger,
but also just not focus. I don't know, it's just
a weird state where we've had to wait almost four years,
three and a half years between seasons of a show
that how many episodes did you say seven episodes or
eight episodes when.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You were looking at IMDb earlier.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I'll have to look it up again. I think it
was is it nine? Let me double check real quick. Eight?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Eight?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like you could get something like The Last of Us
in two years, you can get something like Game of Thrones,
House and Dragons two years. I forget Game of Thrones
towards the end got a little egregious, especially with the
amount of episodes and all that, but.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Still like.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
It doesn't need to be three years in between things
like this is just it's an insane wait time to
do this. And then I want to go back to
the release schedule in that I hate this release schedule.
I hate the on all the big holidays at the
end of the year, when people are like tried to

(29:11):
do stuff, trying to be a family at all, this,
It's like, I get, like a movie coming out, but
like a show where episodes are probably gonna be certain
episodes maybe.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
An hour, a little over an hour, hour twenty.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Minutes, almost like a movie like come on, man, Like
I don't understand, why not just one release it like
October something and then just just go weekly. At this point, Netflix,
you're just you're towing the line of weekly. Just go weekly,
just at that point the people are tuning in for

(29:43):
stranger things. I get not going weekly for a lot
of your other stuff, but still just go weekly at
this point with some of the reality stuff you already
do weekly. Just just go just go weekly with some
of these bigger things, just so we can see the
content and not have to wait like a month for
whatever reason, for some arbitrary reason.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Isn't that weird? Like you're doing a quarterly not even
quarterly volumely release different amount of episodes for different dates,
and it almost feels like they're trying to do both
models where you can binge it all but you still
have to wait. And then just just a quick, quick

(30:28):
little thing about Game of Thrones, which arguably another show
up there to be considered as the greatest show of
all time. You know what's crazy. I know Game of
Thrones kind of started this, but between season one and seven,
every single year, every single season was one year between seven,

(30:48):
season seven and eight, which was I think season seven
was supposed to be two parts, and they then decided
just to do season eight less than two years. So
July sixteenth, twenty seventeen was the premiere of season seven.
Season eight was April fourteenth of twenty nineteen, so almost

(31:11):
two years. Right, So you're you're you're missing it by
three months, but it's less than three It's less than
two years now at this at the time of the
back end of the back end of Game of Thrones too,
I guess maybe the back half of Game of Thrones,
this is when Stranger Things starts. So like, between season

(31:33):
five and season eight of Game of Thrones is season
one through three I believe of Stranger Things or or
I think season three is just about to come out.
So like, I guess you you could blame Game of Thrones,
but Stranger Things kind of did that in season two

(31:54):
between season two and three as well, right, so and
like and then like you google, why are so many
why a Stranger Things? So many years? In between so
many years in between seasons, and you know there's the
AI answer of well, these are several reasons why COVID nineteen,
writer strike, production scoil and quality, actor availability post production.

(32:17):
I feel like all of this, or some of this
is just excuses, like, yes, there was a writer strike,
you're not allowed to write. Sure, that's a problem. Like
you write during the writer strike and then you're called
a scab and you can't you know, the guild probably
won't let you back in. I get it. It's which

(32:39):
is fine. Tell me why this is another This is
a completely different project in a different country, but I
think it's an American production company. Tell me why Monkey
Man went out of its way to do whatever it
could to shoot that movie, including using people holding a

(33:05):
camera as extras because they couldn't find any more extras
because of COVID. Tell me why Dev Patel went through
every every avenue he could during COVID and got that
movie made, and why the Duffers can't do the same
post COVID in over three years. I just don't understand.

(33:30):
I know Monkey Man is a lot more practical stuff,
but you can't tell me the quality of Monkey Man
is nowhere. You can't tell me Monkey Man's quality of
the production quality isn't as good as Strangers Thing. You
just can't. Monkey Man was fantastic using practical effects and
the camera work and everything. It was great. See Stranger

(33:53):
Things mostly CGI. But you can't tell me that's shot
better than Monkey Man. You really can't, or directed or written.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And then with COVID like you could, like I understand
the I could understand a gap between season two and
season three because of COVID, Like I get that. You know,
maybe you didn't get to whatever, but you still were writing.
You should have been writing during that time. There wasn't
a writer strike until later on, and then we're past.
I don't remember when the writer strike was at this point,

(34:22):
but I feel like I believe twenty twenty three, I
think so, I think I think that's right. But like,
so season what was it? Season four happened in twenty
twenty two. You would have to think they would have
had would have mapped out the ideas for season five
by then, and maybe not written everything, but written a

(34:44):
good portion of it. I would, I would hope, but
obviously not, and hence why we're getting season four or
season five at the end of twenty twenty five, three
and a half years later. Like it, just the gaps
specifically between season four and five just don't make sense.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
And no, no, I think I think they sat around
after they shot it. They probably took like a year
or two vacation. Like I'm being dead serious. There's like
once like I get, I get taking some time off
because you know, I understand the writing process, the shooting process,
the editing process is very gruesome. Like it it sucks.

(35:21):
I'm sure you're you know, you're you're spending a lot,
you're crunching. I I almost have I imagine like the
Duffers are crunching, like take your time, but like I
feel like you're taking a year after I feel like
you're taking a year after you you you you deliver

(35:42):
stranger things to to Netflix, Like I understand, but like
that that's like, that's it. I bet you they didn't
even have an idea of what they wanted to do
for season five. Maybe they had an idea. I bet
you they didn't even pick up their pen until after
the Writer's trick. The writer strike went from a second
to September twenty seven, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
How much, do you think, because it feels like, especially
since we've gotten these gaps, it doesn't feel like Netflix
was hounding them necessarily either, Like maybe.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Netflix have I don't think Netflix depends on Strange They
may have, they may have in the beginning, but I
think they have a lot of huge projects in the world.
Korean drama is huge on Netflix, and I imagine they
bring in boatloads of money off of that stuff. And
there's it almost seem seemingly released one new Korean drama

(36:40):
every single week. Maybe because I'm on the algorithm I
see all that stuff. No, but I think they have
a lot of ip that they depend on, not just
Stranger Things that they can get by, and I imagine,
like you know, increasing subscription pro is always a plan,

(37:03):
which they've done multiple times since I don't know what
they've I don't know if the number of years of
Stranger Things in between four and five are greater than
the number of times that Netflix has up their scriptures
since twenty twenty two. I think it's pretty damn close.
But yeah, I think they have different avenues to generate revenue.

(37:24):
I'm sure that they would love to have Stranger Things
on every single year, but I you know, obviously that's
not the case here, right, But but yeah, I think no,
I think they have built in plans to generate a
lot of other stuff and give different filmmakers and writers
opportunities to make things on Netflix, which I think that
which I guess, I would imagine they don't have to

(37:46):
worry about that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I would.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I do want to highlight that of the videos that
they released of the like the trailers or first looks
that they released over the weekend with the to Dome event,
the number one thing that's gotten the most views is
not Stranger Things. It is Squid Game season three, the
official trailer for that that's sitting at fourteen million views currently,

(38:13):
and Stranger Things season five data announcement is second with
nine point five million views as of was this recording
June second, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Which, by the way, Stranger I mean Squid Games, You're
not You're not You're not immune from this as well.
Going going three years in between season one and two
is egregious as well, and then going another year between
technically season two part two. I you know, it's it's

(38:45):
that you're you're, you're you're just not in the foreform
right now because you're you know, season three is not
released yet, But that is that that's not good either.
And I know, I know he took long. Dong Hik
took ten years to write season one before it got
even bought. But it's just you know, I that's that's

(39:11):
you need to get that season two out much much
quicker that that that's not acceptable either. That this should
not be a norm like this really shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, in twenty five years between sequels, Happy Gilmore ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
That movie doesn't look good, by the way, I'm just
gonna say.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Not a lot of things Avion Sandler does is good,
at least in comedy as of late. But I do
appreciate him keeping his his friends employed.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
No, The one I do want to highlight from todom
is the Frankenstein germl del Toro trailer. That one looked incredible,
Like I don't know if you've seen that trailer as
of yet.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Oh, it's real good.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
It's real good, and it seems like a direct adaptation
Mary Shelley's original story, more of a direct adaptation than
any other type of Frankenstein, Like it is taking other
elements from different things, it feels like. But I was
reading stuff about it last night, and it just feels
like more of a direct adaptation that he's been wanting
to do for a long time. Oscar Isaac's the Star,

(40:19):
Jacob A. Lordie, Mia Goth and Christoph Waltz are all
in this movie.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
That one. It looks real cool and I can't wait
for that when it comes out later. I think it
was December of this year, or I forget the release
date for it exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
But you have that Wake Up dead Men. That was
cool reveal for that teaser trailer. But you had some
cool things besides the agregious stuff, you had some cool things.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, I didn't want to spend forty minutes on this.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
All right, Well, let's move on to where do you
want to go? You want to go rumors or you
want to go where we've what we've been watching?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
You pick? I guess I picked up apparently picked the opening.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Uh, well, let's let's talk about what we've been watching.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Because I want to turn things.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I want to turn that that frown upside down, John,
I want to I want it to be positive now
because there's been some interesting things that I've been able
to watch over the last you know, a couple of weeks. Obviously,
like we've talked about, we've been focused on Last of Us, Daredevil,
all that, and Or, but now it's a free for all.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Now we're watching whatever. I've caught up on murder Bot.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I watched Mission Impossible this past weekend, and I want
to highlight a new show on Netflix called Department Q
that I think folks should check out. I guess let
me start there, because I'm through four episodes so far
of Department Q, starring Matthew good It's a I guess,
United Kingdom British detective show with a traumatized detective who

(41:52):
is struggling. He's very angry at the world and very
kind of a douchebag for for lack of better words,
or as they call him, an arsehole in a lot
of moments. And it is a really well done interesting
like the hook of the main story had me by
the end of episode one, and I've been full bore

(42:14):
into it since then, at least through four episodes. But
Department Q, I highly recommend for folks to check it
out if you can get past Matthew Goods. Carl Mork
being an absolute jerk to a lot of people. But
he's angry at the world because of something that happens
in episode one, and it kind of gets very clear
as to his situation why he is the way he is.

(42:36):
But he does have a superiority complex, and he goes
to therapy and he does this, and he does that.
It reminds me of like Luther, but less likable.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
So like maybe a combination of Luther and Sherlock.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, a little bit, Yeah, a little col umn a
col um b in that instance. None, none of his
fellow cops like him. Most of his fellow cops don't
like him. The idea of Department Q is that the
police force is, I guess kind of forced to obligated
by higher ups to create a new department that focuses

(43:10):
on cold cases. And they pick him to be the
head of that because basically they that way they could
get rid of them on the main floor. And they
toss him into the basement, the dungeon, if you will,
of the building, and it's him his assistant who's not
a cop but was a cop in Syria, and a

(43:31):
new assistant for him, an officer by the name of
Rose who helps him as well, and so it's a
department of three people so far and his partner who
is in the hospital. And that makes sense once you
watch episode one and kind of understand the story from there.
But it's it's very good. It's nine episodes. Again, I'm

(43:52):
through four episodes, but it's it's an interesting watch for
folks if you want to if you're looking for a
good who Done it? Type show, there is the main
story or the overarching story with him and what's happened
to him, and then there is the case that they're
going through so far in the season.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Sounds right up my alley. It's a British show.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, very loved those man, very British Scottish.
Definitely if you if you have a hard time with
some of those accents, definitely turn on the subtitles.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
No, that is a definite. But man, two of my
favorite shows that I think need to get talked about more,
and I think, you know, maybe they have in the past,
but Luthor being one of them and Sherlock being another.
I absolutely love those shows. And if I had to

(44:43):
do a top ten of all time, I think both
of those are in the top ten for sure, Luther season.
I think the last season Luthor wasn't the greatest because
I think it almost felt like they're planning for a movie,
which I think hasn't really it kind of was in
the works. I don't know if it's when the works anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
They released that movie, the Luther movie.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Did it really?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Oh god, it must have been bad.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
It was. It was okay, it was fine.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
It wasn't I need I need to watch it.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, it's the Yeah, you should watch it. It's it's fine.
It's not quite the show level, but it was. It
was fine enough.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Okay. Uh when was that released?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Uh? Last year?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I think Fallen Sun twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Oh yeah, twenty twenty three. Yeah. Did you you never
seen Falling Sun?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh you gotta watch it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Oh god, they gotta. It didn't do very well, let's say,
sixty seven percent. Not not terrible.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's not like for me, the height of Luther was
those first like three four seasons, and it doesn't necessarily
reach those levels because it does kind of lean into
some more more like typical action type things, especially early
on in that movie.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
But it's good. It's it's a solid watch if you're
with her fan.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, okay, I'll put that on my list. Uh. There's
some recognizable people in this show. The mom from the
what was the Man? I always forget the house in
Game of Thrones, she's the mom with a kid that
breast still breastfeeds. It looks like her, Katie Dickey, Kate
Kate Dicky that it does. Yeah, it is her. What

(46:23):
house is that house? Mh No, No it's not. That's
Tyro but no, but she's in that. She's in that,
and there is another lady on here that I think
appeared in a bunch of Star Wars stuff, which hold on,
I'm just I'm still trying to find out this h
this the house that this lady was in she oh

(46:46):
uh she played Lisa Aaron. Okay, yeah, yeah, where they
were in House of Dragon. Now they sent the daughter
off to to that, to that house where she's just
kind of, you know, sitting there. No, but Kelly McDonald
a big fan of hers from Boardwalk Empire. Oh okay,

(47:08):
I first saw her in Boardock Empire. When I saw
her in Boardock Empire, I looked at and this was
way before Margot Robbie or DC thought about doing Harley
Quinn in that show. She has this accent and if
you if you watch, if you watch clips of her
in that show. I I watched the show and I said,
I looked at her and said, she can play a

(47:29):
good Harley Quinn because she's acting is on point, and
she has this like accent of hers that I think,
if you, you know, play with it, you could turn
into Harley Quinn. And I'm like, oh man, that that's
which she Obviously we didn't get because you know, Margot
Robbie is Harley Quinn. But no, I this is a
show that seems like it's right up my alley. I

(47:52):
will because right now we're kind of in a in
a lull in between shows that we need something to watch,
and I think this is probably going to be the
one I'm going to fire up maybe tonight.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, give it a try, it, give it a try
and carry your thoughts. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, it looks interesting. And this lady looks like somebody
that should be in Harry Potter or something. I don't
know if she is, but she has a crazy hair
in some of these stills that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Oh Rose, Yeah, yeah, And then I do want to
highlight because you had talked about it a week or
two ago. Murder Bot, I'm caught up on that through
episode four. It's the book alive. It's really like just
the book brought to forward. It does have a lot
of comedic elements. It does have a lot of dark
comedic elements. It does get more serious in certain parts,

(48:39):
but not so far in the show, which I appreciate,
and I remember some aspects of it, but I'm still
kind of like, oh, I don't I don't remember what
happens from here on out, but it's still like Alexander Scarsguard.
I was unsure about him playing murder Bot, but he
works so far. He nails the dryness of everything. I

(49:02):
think the most surprising aspect is the soap opera angle,
because we didn't get that in the book, and in
episode four it's like murder Bot envisions himself in those
soap operas and so that one was just a kind
of a twist that I was not prepared for, especially
with those costumes and everything. But it's a it's an
interesting interpretation of the book and I appreciate it so far.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, I had no prior knowledge of anything going into
murder Bought. But it's a nice, easy watch, very short.
Every episode was like under thirty minutes. I don't even
I think that the longest episode was like twenty five
I don't know. It was like under thirty minutes, which
if you guys are doing some chores around the house,

(49:47):
you can have it on. It's a you kind of
have to pay attention to it because I guess the
dry humor. You kind of have to pick up on
the subtleties of it. But it's a very easy watch.
The plots very straightforward, I would have. I think there's
some twists and turns come in. But yeah, I've I've
enjoyed it so far. It's definitely on my weekly list
of shows to watch too.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's good so far. Episode five
comes out later this week. So I've seen three movies
over the last week or so. Karate Kid Legends.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I heard not so good things about.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That, Yeah, not great, The Life of Chuck, and The
Mission Impossible. I'll start with Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible is okay?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Are you? Are you a Mission Impossible fan? John?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
I've seen most of them, but I can't tell you
which ones that I've seen. I haven't seen. I've seen
the one. I think the the two Mission Impossibles ago,
so not the bad one, not the not the really
bad one. But i've seen the one before. I think
i've seen the one before that. The last Mission Impossible

(50:53):
that I saw was when Alec Balwin's character got killed off.
I don't know when that was.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I think that was fallout. I want to say, maybe
they had to.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Detonated like a nuclear missile or something. But yeah, I
just I don't remember, Like I like, if they're on
to watch it, but I haven't, like you know, I
don't follow it like I follow like like a I
don't know what's a good Double O seven, Like I
think Double O seven I've kept more than Mission Impossible,

(51:25):
Like I can't say, but no, I just very good
action from the series itself. But I get just I
don't know, like the I don't know, I don't know
why it doesn't draw my attention.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well, it's it's this latest one really hint, really is
going to craft make you go, oh that happened. But
way back in Mission Impossible one or something like, they
tie in a lot to the previous ones, and I
am not a Mission Impossible expert. I think a lot
of them, especially like Nation Ghost Protocol, those kind of

(52:03):
blend together for me, and I don't really know which
ones which I don't know which one he climbs on
the building of I think Mission Impossible three is the
one where he's on the mountain or something that's one
or two or whatever or two or three or whatever.
This one hearkens a lot to previous ones, and they

(52:24):
kind of do a good job of like reminding you, like, hey,
this is this person and this is that person. So
there's a lot of replays from previous movies. But that
being said, it's very convoluted. It's very like, I don't know,
certain aspects are kind of anti climactic stunts.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Five out of five.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Movie itself, Eh, it's fine, Like it's okay, but I
think it gets so bogged down in some of these
previous elements and different things that just it's not It's
not the most watchable of the Mission Impossible movies, especially
coming off of the last one, which I think I enjoyed.
Fallout is probably the best one to me, or Episode six,

(53:04):
the movie, the sixth movie of the bunch. This one
is supposed to be the final reckoning, but also it's
like there could be another one, we could do it,
do it again. So it's I don't, I don't. I
don't really believe that this is the final entry kind
of thing. But it's fine, it's just I don't know.
It's it gets so convoluted and bogged down and stuff,
and lackluster tie ins with like the main villain and

(53:30):
reaching resolutions with different characters just felt I don't know
off to me. So it's okay, but it's not. It's
not nothing to write home about, you know what?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It dawned? What dawned on me? What's that The way
that you were describing Mission Impossible, where they were like, oh,
it ties into like something in the first movie. It
almost feels like you were watching Mission Impossible like a
casual fan watches a Marvel movie.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yes, that's an accurate app comparison.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Because you're a casual like me, and you are both
casual Mission Impossible fans. I don't even know if we
consider fans. We've seen most of them. We don't remember
a lot of the details. No, we've missed out on
a movie or two. But then you watch a movie
that is a culmination of everything. You're just kind of like, huh.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, that's what I was doing a lot through this movie.
There is a character from the very first Mission Impossible
that plays an integral role into this movie.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Had no idea.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I was very like, oh, like in the movie because
they show you a replays like, oh, okay, I guess
I get the significance.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, I haven't had that experience, but since you have
had it, I would imagine, like I don't expect people
to go into a Marvel movie, you know, just you
will willy nilly and just kind of like, you know,
not do not watch anything. But I feel for you

(55:10):
because I don't want to watch Mission Impossible not knowing
what's going on. Like and I think I said, you know,
I felt I felt like maybe Double O seven was
right on my alley too, But I can't remember the
last Double O seven movie I watched. I think it
was one right after Casino Royale. I think it was like,

(55:32):
I think I've missed maybe two of the Daniel Craig
James bonds. He's gone, he done, he did four? No,
he did five. I think he did five. Okay, I
missed have missed three. Then I think the one after
Casino Royale was this, it was this third one.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That was the Casino Royal was the first one.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Okay, so I've missed three of them, yeah, because so yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
No Time to Die Specter. And the third one is
the real good one, Ghost something. I don't remember the
name of it.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
No, No, I did see that one. Okay, so I've
missed two. The last two sounds like yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I you know, even with Double O seven, I
you know, I've missed some of those two. So but
even but with those though, I think with with Double
O seven, I think it's like, you know, each new
agent is like a soft reboot.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, yeah, so you.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Don't have to know what happened to I don't know
Pierce Brasen's Double O seven or you know somebody else's
Double O seven.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No, yeah, you're you're good series.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, it's mainly for that one particular one, and then
of course the Daniel Craig one, it got more dark
and gritty and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
But it's still Double O seven at the end of
the day. That's it.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
But that, like you, that's a series that I've watched
but honestly don't remember most of them. Yeah, the Karate
Kid movie. I had a chance to watch it early
last week, and uh didn't didn't perform that great at
the box office. And it's not surprised because it's like
an okay movie. It's a very okay If you're a

(57:06):
big fan of Karate Kid, you'll enjoy it. If you're
a fan of if you're looking for a family film,
the younger audiences like, you'll like it. But as I
mentioned on Dell Show on Friday, it's it's a eighties
movie with modern day aesthetics. And for some people that
love that, they're gonna love it. For me, it was

(57:26):
a detriment. It kind of was using nostalgia for you know, like, hey,
remember this and remember that does not tie into Cobra
Kai at all. Oh that's stupid, because I don't I
don't know anything about Cobra Kai. Like, it just works
as a movie itself. It does have ties to the
previous movies, but it is telling its new story with

(57:49):
a new karate Kid, Ben Wag who plays Lefong. But
that being said, it gets bogged down in like this
two branch one tree thing, and it's bogged down with
these villains that feel like they're straight out of the
eighties and that's not a good thing. We were laughing
every time the villain said something. The villain's kind of

(58:10):
racist too, Like he did his second question to the
kid was you know Kung Fu? It's like, all right, bro,
Like that's come on, what are you doing there? Was
It's just the main character also has an emotional conversation,
not with his love interest, not with his mom, who

(58:31):
is a key factor in this movie too, but with
his love interest's dad played by Joshua Jackson, who plays
a big role in this first half of this movie,
and as somebody pointed it out over the weekend, actually
has more screen time than Jackie Chan or Ralph Machio.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
That's wild to me. Like it's just the structure of
this movie. The editing of this movie. It's like watching highlights,
a lot of highlights. It doesn't like scene construction doesn't
make a lot of sense. Editing is edited very weirdly.
Villains are bad. The only reason why this is watchable
is because of Ben Wang. He plays Lefong. He is great,

(59:08):
He's going to be a star. I think he did
a really good job, especially with the action sequences. Like
he's good, but so much of the first half was
focused on Joshua Jackson and his pizza place that it
is just kind of weird. It's a weird Karate Kids
Legends movie. Is it's baffling to me that that seems infuriating?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yes? Yes, how do we not have more Jackie Chan?
How do we not have more?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Ralph Macchio feels like he was added in last minute
kind of thing, which whatever. I mean again, I'm not
like the biggest Karate Kid fan. I don't remember most
of them, similar to my Mission Impossible stuff, but it
just feels weird like they I feel like they should
have been more, a little bit more integral, especially Jackie
Chan because he plays the uncle of Lefong, so it

(59:56):
feels like there should have been more with him. And
then Meng naw Wynn, who plays Lefong's mom. There is
a rift between the two of them because she doesn't
want him fighting because of something that happens traumatic in
their past, and him and the mom never have a discussion.
They never they come to terms off screen. Basically, it's

(01:00:17):
just really weird not to have some kind of tie
in with that, and it's buried in this nostalgia play.
There's like a potential good story here with Lefong, but
they buried it with all this extra stuff that wasn't necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
How do you have a Karate Kid movie that essentially
gets resurrected because of Cobra Kai and who where Ralph
mal Macchio is still a part of or was a

(01:00:51):
part of and you don't integrate that into the movie
that it makes absolutely no sense. And I imagine Jaden
Smith wasn't part of this as well?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
No, no, he was not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Like I don't understand, like, if you're trying to do
this all encompassing universe movie, like how do you leave
well one Jaden Smith out, which I'm not like it's
not a huge thing, but like you had an opportunity
to have a cameo at least of Jaden Smith because

(01:01:25):
Jackie Chan's character trained him, and then you have another
opportunity to integrate everything Cobra Kai has done the last
X amount of years. I gues that does just make
any sense to me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Zero sense, makes zero, zero sense. You would be And
the main reason why Ralph Maccio is introduced is because
Jackie Chan's character, which I don't remember if it's established
in the twenty ten Karate Kid. But Jackie Chan's character
knew mister Miyagi was a friend of mister Miyagi, and

(01:01:59):
they come like Ralph Danny LaRusso and him become acquainted
when he when I think his name's Han. In the movie,
jack Chan's character his name is Han, goes to California
to visit where mister Miyagi used to call home, and
that's the connection that they make. And the kid, the

(01:02:21):
main kid, Leefong, needs to learn karate. He knows kung fu,
but he needs to learn karate and that's how they
come together to teach him that. So yeah, I don't know,
it's it's kind of weird. Also, Leefong is the basically
the master or the mentor to Joshua Jackson's character for
a while there because Joshua Jackson's character used to be

(01:02:42):
a boxer and he's preparing for a boxing match. So
what does he do? He learns kung fu. Sure makes sense,
make makes makes total sense.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
It makes a lot of sense, all right, It's on
face value, like it's not like the best I'm talking
this up like it's a it's a train, right, It's
not a train wreck, but it's just like, when you
sit and think about it, it's like, that doesn't really make
a lot of sense to have a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Of these different things, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And last thing, The Life of Chuck, based off of
Stephen King short story directed and written by Mike Flanagan.
You would think, oh, that's gotta be horror, suspense or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It is more of just a feel good movie that
is told in a sci fi you way, But I
wouldn't let that detract people from Oh, I'm not a
big fan of sci fi. Is more of about a
feel good story that's told in reverse order. It's told
from the end of Chuck's life to the beginning, and
it's an interesting way to tell the story. But I
think it speaks to the greater message of the movie

(01:03:42):
because a lot of it it's going to be left
kind of to your interpretation of it. And for me,
that brought me a lot more joy than having to
have answers for everything. And it really resonated with me
because of like personal loss in the last few years
with my grandparents passing away, and it really kind of
reflects the we all know the end is gonna come

(01:04:04):
one day for all of us, and the end of
a family member or whatever may feel like the end
of the world for some people, but you still have
to appreciate the journey. You still have to appreciate even
the just the little random moments with people because that
at the end of the day, we're living life together.
Like I'm kind of YadA YadA ying it a little bit,

(01:04:25):
but there's a really good message in here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It's one of the better movies of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Wow, that's a high praise.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
It's it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I was telling who was it, Ashley Saunders who's been
a guest on this podcast before. She's seeing it this week,
and when I was telling her, I was like, initially
I was like a three point five win it, but
like thinking about it more and more on the way home,
I became I quickly became more of like a four
to four and a half where it is one of

(01:04:54):
my more favorite movies of the year because of the
message and it's got a great cast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Tom Hidlesten, Mark camel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Chuetto Edge of four, Karen Gillan like it's very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I'm trying to I just had the IMDb pulled
up here and I just accidentally closed it. No, but
I think it got like in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Last I saw it was like eighty seven. I think
it was on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah, I think something like that. I gotta I'll pull
it back up here real quick. But but yeah, yeah,
Tom Hidlson is a fantastic actor. So an IMDV Life
of Chuck has a seven point five and on Rotten Tomatoes,
well that is not the rights, that's not the same movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Eighty seven percent right now on Rotten Tomato.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yes, yes, eighty seven percent. So which, by the way,
I don't know why he's not the top build there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
It it makes sense once you watch the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Ah okay, he's for for him being the star and
the cover boy of the movie because it goes through
his life. There are younger actors that play him, right,
which I would argue Benjamin pay Jack I think is
how you say his name. He's the youngest version of him,
and he did a phenomenal job. Like I thought he
was really strong as a young Chuck in this movie.

(01:06:23):
But Carl Lumbley's in it. It's it's a great Harvey
Gian David Dasmalscian is a strong cast of characters and things,
and the first half of the movie is gonna be
confusing and weird and things like that, and it's it's
about the messaging of it overall that I think I
really appreciated how they started to where they go by

(01:06:44):
the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Yeah, definitely will check that one. Is that alan theaters.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
That comes out in theaters.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
I believe this Friday, But with the way theaters are,
it's probably gonna be in theaters for like a week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
And then go to streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yeah, but it's it's if for folks that you know,
are like kind of unsure about checking out in theaters,
it's it's worth the money.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It's it's a very good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I think it's just if you're looking for answers, if
you're looking for why is this thing happening?

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Why is this? Why is that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
A lot of it's left to interpretation, so you go
in knowing that. Also there is times where it feels
like it draws on a little bit long in certain moments,
But I to me, I took it as you want
to stay in the happy moments a little bit longer
and like sit with those happy moments. Don't rush those

(01:07:37):
happy moments along as we tend to do, like enjoy
life and just be in that happy moment for a time,
versus just kind of trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Get through it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Yeah. Yeah, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Nick Offerman's narrator as well, it's very good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Oh okay, you know, it's a very soothing voice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
It's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
But yeah, I just want to highlight that because I
had a chance to watch that as well. And then
since we're talking about something that comes out this Friday
with the Life of Chuck, we also have Predator. The
Killer of Killers comes out this Friday on Hulu straight
to streaming animated movie that is three anthologies that are
kind of connected, where it's taking the Predator fighting different

(01:08:19):
people in different eras, kind of the prey idea, but
taking it to where he the Predator is fighting someone
in Viking time, someone in like Japan Samurai time, and
then in World War two. The stories do connect in
some way how I don't know, but so far I've
seen pretty positive reviews, and of course I'm the resident

(01:08:42):
Predator fan here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Now, are they releasing three movies or like is this
movie or is this like all told in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It's all told in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Okay, okay, good, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
It's all told in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
And I want to read what David Chin he just
posted this about the movie. I can now say I've
seen Predator, Killer of Killers and it is ridiculously good
animated action filmmaking on a level that we rarely see
a trip d I don't know how to say that
word of stories that featuring the most badass people imaginable
going up against one of the greatest villains in cinema history.

(01:09:20):
The action, choreography and cinematography are top notch and clearly
the work of someone who wants to show us something
new in the universe, because it is a blastroom start
to finish.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Wait, so this is animated.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
This is animated.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
This is not This is not Predator bad Lands, which
releases in November.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Oh, I don't know why I thought this was bad Lands. No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, the bad Lands is the live action one with
l Fanning and the Predator that we're following that will
be the hero of the movie. That'll be November seventh
or something like that. This is the animated anthology of
Predator through the different eras.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Okay, well, the Knick's what I said at the when
we started this podcast, or when before we even came on.
I think I was talking to you about Predator and
how you know the when you look at a a
IP and you take a look at at the whole

(01:10:16):
IP and not just you know, each individual project. Predator
falls into this thing where the first movie, or at
least there's only there's a handful of movies that are
good to decent to good, Prey being the last one
that the release was been fun, phenomenal, But you take
a look at the entire series as a whole, with

(01:10:36):
the different crossovers and even you know, just them doing
things in the past and all that stuff, it hasn't
been a very good ip, you know what I'm talking about?
Like yeah, Like like if the MCU started post endgame,
you take a look at it and you're like, oh,
that's not a good ip, right, But you can't do
that with the MCU. Take a look at the whole thing,

(01:10:58):
so you look at the whole thing. The mc has
been very positive. Predator, on the other hand, it's quite
the opposite. So I don't want it to get fall
into this trap where Prey was amazing, is that the
anomaly or is that what they're trying to focus on
going forward. So if Killer of Killers is any indication
of what they're going to do with this franchise going forward,

(01:11:20):
I would be I'm excited to watch this animated film
and then the film that's gonna come out in November.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I think the key is Dan Tracktenberg so far, because
he's the one that had the idea for a Killer
of Killers, and of course he's doing The bad Lands.
He did Prey, which to me arguably might be my
favorite Predator movie outside of the first one, because yeah,
like you said, it's Predator as a franchise has kind
of deeped steeped real low, like with The Predator being

(01:11:51):
a what was that twenty eighteen and being just the
absolute worst of the worst for that for the franchise,
And part of the reason why Pray was only on
streaming was because they had no faith that a Predator
movie could work in theaters like The Predator.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yeah, no big names in that movie either.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
No no big names. Amber mid thunder Is it was
the biggest name, and she was, you know, is a
relative unknown in most parts. She's she's getting more character,
more roles, and things like that. Now, but yeah, outside
of her, it's it's it's a lot of no names

(01:12:31):
to a certain extent. And yeah, but it has one
of the best sequences I think we've we've ever seen
with Predator.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
It has just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Of great story elements that I think Dan Tracktonberg knew
and understood. And I'm excited to see what he does
with Killer of Killers, and I'm excited to see what
he does with bad Lands. Bad Lands has a Predator
that's we're actually gonna be following as the hero for
the majority of the movie, which I am is a
story that concept that I've always wanted. And then El
Fanning is not a human but but android kind of

(01:13:02):
like David or kind of like I forget the character
from Alien Romulus, which that has me like, oh, this
is not the movie I expected at all. So I'm
excited to see what Dan Trachtenberg has planned for for
the Predator franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I'll take it project by project. Yeah, and then
once we get maybe, once we get far ahead, I'll
be like, Okay, well, I trust whatever's going to come
out next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Hey, that's understandable. That's an understandable thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
We're kind of we've kind of gone long enough, so
I don't think we're going to take a visit to
the rumor mill now because we've been going for so long.
But thank you all for listening to issue five ninety
seven of Comiccast. As always, we appreciate y'all. You can
download the podcast wherever you get your podcasts, and you
can follow us on social media. I'm at producer Mike
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plusa June twenty first, at three pm on the podcast
Pavilion stage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
That's it. We are done and we will touch you
guys next week.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
See you

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Mm hmm

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