Issue 599: 28 Years Later Non-Spoiler Review & A DC Update with James Gunn

On today's issue of the podcast the guys get their final Comicpalooza preparations in, Michael gives a non-spoiler review of 28 Years Later, and the duo go through James Gunn's interview with Rolling Stone as he gives some new updates on DC Studios/DCU at large. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I could do this all day.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You didn't want to get this?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Do you do?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
My? Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hello there, Internet's welcome to issue five hundred and ninety
nine of Comic Cast. While we've done a lot of these,
I'm Michael Carroll alongside Jong Lee Jong.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
How are you? I?

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm better and oh, I'm fine. We had some I
guess a scare. I don't know what do you call it.
She had some kind of stomach issues. We had to
take her to the hospital or pediatrician like three times
last week, which which is why I missed last week

(01:11):
and took her to go get ultrasound. They said everything
looked fine, and I and like, I think it's still
ongoing on off. I I. We don't know what it is.
It's it's maybe a stomach bug. So yeah, she's better
this week. No no throw up since last week, so
it's been okay. She said, she's she has said that

(01:35):
her stomach has hurting on and off, but hoping and
praying that it's just a stomach bug and and that
she's going to get better and she's going to wake
up and be like, oh my stomach doesn't hurt. Like
it's still on and off throughout the day. So yeah,
but we're playing it very close to a vest and
playing it very day by day.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, she's she's on the aisle basically.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, pretty much. I mean she's fine, she's eating okay,
she's you know, sleeping fine. She just has an occasional
stomach problem and thrown up a few times. She got
sent home from daycare like three days because of the
throw up when in late one day because she threw

(02:22):
up in the morning, and that's when we took her
to one of the doctor visits. So it's it's been okay.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, well, well hopefully she stays better and stays stays
well because yeah, that's that's tough. You were telling me
a little bit about it via text, and I was like,
oh man, that's that's tough man.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's I guess, the life of being a parent.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that's yeah. I figured I figured that would be
the case. I think I was messaging to one of
my other friends and they were like, yeah, it's it's
a lot of throw up and I forget what else
it's been for them as well. So I wish you
and Teresa the best, especially during all this time. I'm

(03:04):
not going to give you any parenting advice, because I
don't have any. What I do have is a rundown
of twenty eight years later. Non spoiler review will have
that for everyone listening today as well as James Gunn
talked to Rolling Stone recently and said some interesting things,
so I figured we could go through that and of
course talk a little bit about Comic Palusa. But first

(03:26):
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Mike nine seven five and I'm at one Punch, and
you can rate, review, share, or subscribe to this podcast
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Speaker 1 (03:37):
That'd be cool, really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You can also listen to a version of this podcast
on ESPN ninety seven to five and ninety two five.
And as I just mentioned just as few seconds ago,
Comic Palusa is happening this weekend. We'll be talking about
that because we will be podcasting live Saturday at three
o'clock from the podcast Pavilion stage, where we will be

(03:59):
ranking the MCU's multiverse film Saga. Just the film's not
the on, not all the shows and everything. We'll be
doing that. We determined the draft order or how we're
selecting on the last issue of comic cast song. So
I don't know if you've had a chance to hear
or or find out what the result was from that.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
No, I didn't. Where am I picking?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You are picking second behind me, so I I know, Okay,
it sounds sketchy, but dirf Fred of Dirft Designs did it.
It was random. I had no say in it. But
then he was like, Mike, You're gonna end up with
the first pick, and I was like, no, please don't.
And then what a shock. I ended up with the
first pick. I didn't want that. I was like, I

(04:43):
wanted second, third, something like that. But yeah, it's me first,
you second, she least third, and Brad forth and then
we'll just kind of rotate that. We'll start the order
off with each round after that, which is only gonna
be three rounds because by the time we get to
a certain point, we're going to know the very last
pick in terms of selecting these So the idea basically

(05:06):
being with the first pick, we're going in reverse order,
so we're starting with thirteenth and working our way up.
So whatever pick happens, like in this case, whatever I
pick thirteenth, that's where the film will be locked in
and then we'll go from there. So it'll be interesting
creating this one collective list as well, and then we

(05:28):
may be involved with Brad's It seems like we're also
going to be involved with Brad's podcast. Brad who hosts
Brad Gilmore of Course of ESPN ninety seventy five is
Hall of Fame and c W and all this. He
also hosts a podcast called back the Back to the
Future Podcast. Uh and his podcast is right before ours
on the podcast Pavilion stage at two o'clock. And now

(05:51):
he wrote you me Shalise in with that, So now
we're going to be podcasting at two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, it's yeah, Brad's Bread's awesome. This is the first
time I think I'm gonna meet him, though I haven't
met really. Yeah, I've talked to him on the phone,
I've exchanged d MS with him, I haven't actually met him.
He came along to the station after I left, So yeah,

(06:21):
I just I don't really go to the station much
unless it's like I don't know, like unless I wanted
to come visit you or something like that, but that
doesn't happen that often. But yeah, it's it's going to Yeah,
I'm you know, I'm excited to to meet him, and
I haven't met Chilice either, so it's gonna be a

(06:43):
first of of sorts for for me.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I forgot.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Chalise was like, because she hasn't met you either, so
she was like, I think Jong's ai. I think he's
made up. I haven't met him, so it's like, no,
he's real. I promise.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm excited, and I'm just rattling through my brain of
which one. There's a couple of movies that you could
I guess I guess you could pick to be very last. Yeah,
I'm rattling through my brain to see, uh, what you
would pick in what I would pick next, because I

(07:20):
think there are things to consider that have been recent
that could be very last if you wanted to make
it very last. But yeah, I'm excited and I'm excited
looking forward to, uh to the draft.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
If we if we had time and we were doing
all the shows, the correct answer would be Secret Invasion.
But we're not doing that for the very bottom of
the list, but you know, we'll go from there.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
But I'm excited to do it because it's something we haven't.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Really done before in terms of like ranking and then
especially doing one collective list and doing it to where
once something selected once, if you pick whatever at number twelve,
that's where it's locked in at and you kind of
defend it and kind of talk about why you're putting
it there. So I think it's an interesting, fun little deal.
Maybe we'll fight. I don't know, maybe we'll fight about stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Oh maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
We'll see but again, Comic Bluza is happening this weekend
at the George R. Brown Convention Center Friday June twentieth
through Sunday June twenty second. Of course, get your tickets
at comicpluza dot com or just go to the event
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Speaker 1 (08:30):
Buy your tickets at the ticket booth.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
You can also check out their full schedule at comic
pluza dot com or download the app right now on
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Speaker 1 (08:43):
Check it out.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's an easy way to keep track of all the schedule.
Like our podcast Panels Again happening Saturday at three o'clock.
Brad's at two o'clock, so actually we'll be there for
a long time on Saturday afternoon, So come check us
out there now to get to a movie that I
would say I had high hopes, high expectations for. I've

(09:06):
been very much looking forward to this movie for a while,
and that's twenty eight years later. What are your expectations
strong for twenty eight years later? Before I get into
the non spoiler.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Review, I would say, and taking into consideration some of
the anticipation of this movie from people, I would say
that this movie, I think people are expecting this movie
to be very good.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, I would agree, yeah, yeah, So it had me
in the first half, and then the second half happens
and it kind of lost me on it.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh no, it so the movie is.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
The I only watched the first trailer really so because
I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch this, like this
seems interesting.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I'm totally in on this.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know, twenty eight days later I didn't get a
chance to rewatch that one or twenty eight weeks later beforehand,
not that those really have much bearing on these, but
I always like, twenty eight days later, I thought it
was a good movie, and now I want to rewatch
it to like understand what the tone was for it,
because in this one, it's centers around. I thought it

(10:27):
was centered around Aaron Taylor Johnson. It's not centered around
Aaron Taylor Johnson, centered around Alfie Williams, who plays his
son in the movie. And the basic core of premise
of it is Aaron Taylor Johnson's character is taking his
son out to do his first kill, to become a

(10:48):
man if you will, And there is a tone there
that I was like, Okay, I get the sense of it.
They're in this community, They're stuck on the corn in
the corner teen zone, so they can't get out there
living life in this infected world. And that's the core
mission of it, at least for the first half of

(11:08):
the movie. And then things take a different turn once
you get to the second half. And while the first
half felt emotional, you know, it was stuff I could
relate to as someone who went through that with my
own dad, where my dad took me hunting and things

(11:29):
happened to where it was like Dad embellishes what I
did during the hunt, which I can talk about it
more in like a full spoiler review, but like there
was very relatable things and themes being explored, and then
it takes like a comedic turn, like halfway through which

(11:49):
kind of got weird, and it just like it was like, Okay,
this is not what I expected. And then like the
final like I would say, five to ten minutes really
like threw me for a loop and I just was like,
I we're all laughing, like it's just it's baffling to
me what I ended up watching.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
And it's it's.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
It feels like it's being bogged down by trying to
set up the larger narrative because this is not the
only twenty eight years later film.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
There's two more on the way.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Interesting, yeah, the next one I think comes out next year,
so it's set a lot of this movie is setting
up the rules of the.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
World, and it was like, Okay, I get it. I
get it.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And then like there's a completion to the story. But
at the same time, there's a lot of stuff like
just left hanging and a lot of stuff that's like, oh,
I guess we're not gonna resolve that until the next
movie or maybe even the third movie.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't know, but it's just.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I guess I didn't know what to expect, but what
I got was not what I expected.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, I mean I didn't watch too much of the
trailer but I it doesn't seem like what you're describing
as what I would have expected as well. I I
don't know it just yeah, that's that's the way that
you're describing. It sounds a little odd to me.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's very odd. Also, there is.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
And how can I say this, there is in an
insane amount of naked rage virus zombie people. There's a
lot of dong in this movie, is basically what I'm saying.
There's so much, a lot more than I was prepared for.
And uh, okay, yeah, there's there's also.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
We got that in the first movie.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I didn't remember that, Like, uh
but there's heilliy and Murphy was like, oh wait out, oh.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah that's right. Well you get a lot more in
this one.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
You get so much more, okay, specifically from the rage
infected and yeah, there there's no hiding it or anything.
And there's new I don't remember this being a thing,
but I guess because it was early on in this
rage virus outbreak. There's different types of infected now and

(14:19):
so there's different aspects that they're exploring. That took me, like,
it made me go, is this am I watching? Like
Resident Evil, or am I watching like Dead Rising? Or
you know, like am I watching a video game right now?
Because they're explaining like these different things that I just
did not. I was not prepared for for this movie,
and like the way it shot, it's pretty like it

(14:42):
feels a little bit like the original one. The cast
is solid, Jody Komerer is in it, Aaron Taylor Johnson,
Jack O'Connell, Ray Fines. That's a good cast. It's just
it went in directions that I was not prepared for,
and I was just left very like, huh, that's not
that's not the movie I expected. It's not necessarily the
movie I was looking for either. I think the first

(15:06):
half will have people, and then once you get to
that second half, it's just it gets weird, Like it's
just it's just what.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So this movie is like a like a three star
out of five, Like this is very like mid like
sixty five seventy, Like it's just the writing is weird
too at certain points, Like there's some aspects where it's
like I get why you would write it, and I
get why you would do things in this generation, like

(15:34):
in these ways, especially with these people being stuck on
the quarantine zone, not having outside contact for the outside
world for a long time. Like I get it, but
there's just some weird stuff written in it, and yeah,
I don't know. It's just it's a baffling movie. It
left me going, like when they give you the little
piece of paper to fill out at the end, I
was like, I don't really know what to write here,

(15:56):
right this is I just I don't know, like this
is this was a weird one to say the least,
and I'm very confused by it.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, I would be too, especially the way that the
if I remember correctly, the first movie is nowhere near
how you're describing it. It almost seems like they, I
don't know, did they like forget what the I won't
even call it a franchise at this point because it's not,
you know, it was only one movie. But it's like,

(16:27):
do they forget what the first movie was about? Like,
I don't know where they going for something completely different.
I guess I would have to look up like quotes
and stuff like that from like the director and whatnot.
But going into going into all the trailers and stuff,

(16:47):
it almost seems like the way you're describing it and
then the way that the movie actually turned out. It
they did a little bit of lying to us or
fibbing to its audience. And there's another movie out there
that is, and not to sidetrack too much, but that
movie with Chris Evans and Pedro.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Bascal, Oh The Materialists.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah, apparently apparently that movie's about DV and so
it's like, uh, yeah, that doesn't seem that doesn't seem
like the way that it's being portrayed.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
So yeah, and with this one, you know, well, I
think we both seen the first trailer for twenty eight
years Later, and there's there's a dark tone to it,
with the way like the tone piece that they set up,
and a lot of it's because a lot of the
footage is from the first half of the movie. There's
some clips in there that are from more of the

(17:43):
second half of the movie, but for the most part,
this you know, that tone piece is how the first
part of the movie moves and acts and everything. And again,
like when you get to the core of it, Alfie
Williams and Jody Komier who Jody Komier plays the mother
of Alfie Williams character Spike, Like when you get to
the core of that, I think it's good, Like I

(18:05):
think it has something interesting to say there, and then
the the dad and son relationship and like, oh, now's
your time to be a man, even though you're a
little younger than what we normally do for this community.
Like there were certain aspects that I was like, oh, okay,
I'm I'm with.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
It, But then.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think it, I think it gets concerned with or
bogged down with we got to tell this larger narrative.
And like Aaron Taylor Johnson's basically not in the second
half of the movie, Like he's just not and and
Ray Fines is not in but like the back half
portion of this movie, you know, it's just it's it's

(18:44):
interesting what it's set up to be, and it's more
of an Alfie Williams joint and more focused on his
character than anything else interesting. Okay, yeah, So, uh, twenty
eight years later, I am so curious to read other
people's perspectives that the Embargo Lifts were recording this On Wednesday,
June eighteenth, the Embargo Lifts at four pm Central Time

(19:08):
for us to where we can, you know, start reviewing
and sharing and everything. And I'm just so curious to
see what other people said, because I it was a
mixture like leaving the theater last night of like, what
did we just watch? And there was moments where there
was a moment specifically and I can't wait to talk
about it, like in detail, but there's a moment that

(19:31):
just it's not done for laughs, but it came off
very funny.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Maybe it was done for laps. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
But Ray Fines has the most hilarious line in the
back half of this movie that yeah, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Man, So.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Use your judgment on twenty eight years later if you
really want to see this, you know, respect to you,
but I'm glad I saw it in this setting rather
than you know, buying a ten dollars fifteen dollars ticket
or something.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
So well, I'm glad I decided not to go with you.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I am.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I am so curious your reactions to certain stuff for
this movie that I but I also, yeah, no, it's
it's probably best you missed this one.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's just yeah, it's it's something.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
What's also something is James Gunn had a lot to
say as of late in regards to the DC Universe
and DC Studios because he had a long interview with
Rolling Stone, and I thought, I thought there was a
lot of interesting stuff here John that I wanted to
kind of go through and get your thoughts on. I guess,
have you seen this interview? What have you thought of it?

(20:40):
And then we'll kind of dive deeper into it.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
But I've seen bits and pieces of it. I haven't
delved too much into into his answers, but but yeah,
we'll we'll we'll play the game of react to James
Gunn's takes.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I guess, yeah, it's and it's a lot of takes.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I mean, there's obviously a lot in terms of his
life and talking about that, but it also dives into
some info that some of it we knew, but some
of it we maybe didn't necessarily know. One thing is
and I'm just gonna kind of move down the down
the line in terms of where the article highlights it.
But one of the first things that it's highlighting is

(21:20):
that Supergirl is no longer called Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow.
During the interview with Rolling Stone, they asked him about supergol.
They said, quote, Supergirl, which is out next year, is
wrapping principal photography. How much were you on the set,
he said. James Gunn said zero, very little. I mean
at the very beginning. But I've been pretty busy, as

(21:41):
you might imagine. I was really involved at the script stage.
But then Craig Gillispie, the director, has just been such
a great partner. He's just been doing this thing. You
never know how something cuts together, but right now it
looks amazing. It's really cool stuff. That's no longer called
Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Correct. I think it's just called Supergirl.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So they've dropped the name, and that's because James Gunn
apparently he is not a fan of superhero name colon subtitle.
What do you think of dropping subtitles for superhero movies, Joan.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
I I'm not opposed to it. I think some of
the movies that came out could have been Bennett. Bennett
benefited from it. I think Birds of Prey is probably
one of them. Well, I take that back. I think
Birds of Prey was just misnamed. It should have been

(22:38):
Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey or something like that.
It's uh. I do like the change for Supergirl. I
think if you want to do sequels like this, I
think it's fine, I have I mean, it doesn't really,
I don't. It doesn't affect me that much if you
were to you know, I think Avengers Infinity War that

(22:59):
makes sense. It just you know, Superman, and I know
I think Superman dropped a legacy, right, so it's just Superman.
It makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I don't. If it was Superman legacy, I don't care,
but I understand his aspect of it. Uh. Yeah, it's uh,
it's been She's been great. I mean it's been great
so far.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, And in reference to the Superman legacy of it all,
he said, quote, first of all, I'm sick of the
Superhero title colon the other name thing. And then also,
it seemed to be looking back when we're looking forward,
even though it does have to do with legacy in
the movie itself, and everybody was like, oh yeah, no,
change it. So uh, that was part of the reasoning
behind changing Superman to Superman Legacy to just Superman, and

(23:50):
now Supergirl to Woman of Tomorrow to just Supergirl. It's
still based on Woman of Tomorrow, but that seemed to
be just the working title, and now it's just going
to be super Goold when it comes out next year.
He also talked about adapting the silver Age comics of Superman.
He said, quote, yeah, I think that that's the biggest
tonally novel thing about this film, and it really is

(24:13):
based on the tone of two thousands comic book series
All Star Superman in a lot of ways, and taking
that tone into a cinematic realm is not the usual
thing for a superhero movie or for any movie. So
I really was thinking a lot when making the film
about graphic novels.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
More than movies.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
And then they've made reference to Fantastic Four is coming
around the same time as Superman, and it seems to
share that silver age and optimistic feel. It's interesting, giving
the weird times in the world right now, that it
seems to be the right vibe. And he said, quote maybe,
but do we really think they're alike. I'm really embracing
the silver Age of it all, but I don't think
that's that it's as stylized, or at least not stylized

(24:53):
in the same way, and it's not as retro. There
are retro futurist futuristic aspects because we've got Daily Planet
with a big ef and globe in the robots, and
the machinery and the machinery, so I can see where
there's certain similarities.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
He went on to say.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
In regards to that also quote what made it work
for him For Superman, it was Crypto. The beginning of
the movie is the first thing I wrote, with Crypto
coming to Superman in the snow and Crypto taking him home.
That's really that really was about the tone of the
whole movie. It's a flying dog who wears a cape,
but that led immediately to the robots, so the fortress

(25:32):
rising from the ground, to the device that isn't in
the comics, the giant magnifying glass which powers him up
more quickly than just regular sun would bringing all those
elements into a Superman movie in a way that hasn't happened.
Not to mention that he exists in a world where
superheroes or some form of meta humans have existed for
three hundred years. It's just a different thing.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
There's a lot to unpack, I guess with All Star Superman,
I will obviously have to watch the movie to to
figure out which part, which part, which parts of it is.
You know, he's he's taken from inspiration I did read
All Star Superman when James Gunn did come on board.
The opening panel is just Clark Kent walking down the street,

(26:17):
this big bouldering guy, this big, bouldering, clumsy guy. It
gets into, it gets into a very established universe, which
you could see the parallels from the trailers and all
that stuff. But in All Star Superman there's just all
these villains and heroes already exist. So that's one of
the things that, uh, you know, you could take into

(26:39):
the Superman movies, like the established heroes and villains and
and whatnot. You will you know, I obviously have to
watch the rest of the movie to see which parts
of the parallels or which parts of the stuff that
he ripped straight from All Star Superman. I'm sure that
he's loose maybe loosely based the over all arcing storyline

(27:01):
to our All Star Superman, because there are things in
the trailers that I'm like that doesn't really seem tonally
with All Star Superman. But we'll see. With the retro
aspect of everything, I think I do see what he's
saying Fantastic Four is it's a very different vibe from Superman. Uh,

(27:24):
it almost has a Jetson's feel to it in a
very you know, old school sixties seventies type of TV
show when WandaVision did the TV show part from like
the sixties. I think this has the same feel to that,
where it's, you know, it's light humored and whatnot. And

(27:46):
I'm sure that's what Fantastic Four is going to be.
And I think, you know, and I think he's right.
I don't think they may look similar in the trailers,
but I do think that they're going to be completely
different movies. But so but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, aothetically, I think for sure they're going to be
very different. Obviously, as he mentioned, the retro futuristic vibes
of Fantastic Four completely makes sense. There is the like
just a sense of how can I say it? Both
films just feel very different from typical superhero movies. From

(28:20):
what we've gotten with the trailers so far, and we
of what footage we've seen so far, there is an
optimistic tone with Superman, but still making him human. There's
an optimistic tone when it comes to the Fantastic Four
as well, but still making them feel like a regular
human family with regular problems in dealing with it. But

(28:41):
also dealing with the stardom aspect. And that's the other
aspect that I think is kind of similar is that
both Superman and the Fantastic Four are known in their
respective worlds and the world kind of outside of course
Lex Luthor and other ones that don't cheer on Superman,
A lot of people cheer on super Ran, a lot
of people cheer on Fantastic Four, and they're known commodities

(29:04):
in these worlds, and just I don't know, they just
feel different in that, in that light and in that aspect,
and you know, showcasing for the world how they'll help
humanity and how they'll help save people just everyday people.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I like the tone of both of them, and they
will be very different, I'm sure, but just how they're
how they're looking so far, they just bring a different
vibe to the superhero genre.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I think.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah. And I think I also think if you're going
to guess how this is going to be, how this
is going to feel, you know, I would imagine this
feel this will feel kind of like Guardians of the Galaxy. Obviously,
there's a lot of uh, you know, different things that
you know, the I guess you'll have that ensemble feel

(29:50):
because of you know, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen are
such big, big parts to the Superman character, and so
I think some of it will feel like Guardians of
the Galaxy, and I think, you know, James Gunn has
that type of style, you know, humor, like humor, actually

(30:11):
a lot of humor, yeah, and building characters, And I
think that's what we're going to get. And I think
very very quickly will get a sense of who in
the long run, I think we'll get the biggest character
growth from because I think in Guardians one you could
kind of tell that Rocket would it kind of held

(30:32):
a very special place in at least James Gunn's heart,
And as that storyline played out, it was definitely like
by Guardians too, You're like, oh, he's Rocket's going to
have the biggest character arc of all of these characters.
And that ended up being the case. I would imagine
it's going to be like that for some of these characters.
Fantastic for On the other hand, I don't know how

(30:55):
that's going to play out, because I you know, this
is it seems it seems different. Uh, it seems like
they're going in a different direction tonally, and I don't
know what to make of it because Matt Chackman, the

(31:18):
director has kind of he's a good director. He's had
a lot of good, great filmographies with TV series, you know,
from directing two episodes of Fargo, directing Syke, a couple
episodes of Psych like he had. His resume is pretty
deep in a lot of TV shows, always Sonny. He's

(31:38):
done two episodes of Game of Thrones, like Billions, he's
done that, The Boys succession. He has a deep, long resume,
but they're all different. He's done he directed nine episodes
of WandaVision, So I guess if you wanted to, you
can make a sense of, oh, it might feel like
some of those episodes of WandaVision. So I think in

(32:01):
the moment right now, it's hard to place how Fantastic
four is going to be rather than Superman. I think
Superman is definitely going to be safer because of what
won the IP, and also, if I had to guess,
it'll make them way, I'll make more money because of
the IP and also it being James Gunn and knowing
kind of what you should be expecting when you do

(32:24):
go watch Superman.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And they also both feel I think what lends what
lent the comparison to the two is that they do
lean into more of the nerdier aspects, right Like you're
getting the robots, you're getting Crypto, you're getting the Fortress
of Solitude, you're getting Herbie, And when it comes to

(32:46):
Fantastic Four, you're getting I don't know if I want
to say the characters that just that they've been showcasing
online just recently, but you're getting different characters from that
comic run of Fantastic Four. That's not like the other
or Fantastic four films, nothing like the other what the
other Fantastic Four films have done. Like, you're just getting

(33:07):
very nerdy aspects of the comics. And I like both
both of that, both films doing that. So Yeah, it's
an interesting place that we're in. I'm curious to see
which one performs, you know, how well each one performs.
Hopefully both very well, because I want more stories in
the DC universe and I want more stories with the

(33:28):
Fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
So we'll see as it goes.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But this brings me to one of the next things
that James Gunn has said in terms of adapting things.
Rolling Stone said, quote Eddie Murphy once told me that
nearly every bad movie happens because of Hollywood's habit of
setting a production date before they have a finished screenplay.
James Gunn said, yeah, totally. Listen, you can do everything

(33:52):
right and make a bad movie. I'm really compassionate towards
people that put their all into a movie. I know
some people that were my former workers at Marvel, people
who made some of the worst movies. There were people
that were lazy and didn't put their time in, and
then there were other directors that worked really hard and
maybe didn't have the best movie come out, but they
did everything they could. But I do believe that the

(34:14):
reason why the movie industry is dying is not because
of people not wanting to see movies. It's not because
of home screens getting so good. The number one reason
is because people are making movies without a finished screenplay.
They said, and that's one of the biggest rules you've
made for DC that they have to have a finished
screen scripts. He said, Yeah, we just killed a project.

(34:35):
Everybody wanted to make that movie. It was greenlit, ready
to go, the screenplay wasn't ready, and I couldn't do
a movie where the screenplay is not good, And we've
been really lucky so far because Supergirl script was so
effing good off the bat, and then Lanterns came in
and the script was so effing good. Clay Faced, same thing,
so effing good. So we have these scripts that we've

(34:58):
been really lucky with or wise in our choices or
whatever the combination is, quote or end quote. So screenplay, screenplay.
Screenplay is the thing here that has to be done correctly,
otherwise you're not getting a project. Is that Sergeant Rock
that that movie that had been talked about, is that

(35:19):
Swamp thing which we haven't heard anything more from. In
terms of James Mangold, is that the authority? You know,
I don't know what project that is that they killed,
but if you have a banger screenplay, you're gonna get
made at DC Studios.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I don't disagree with him. I think you know, you know,
road maps are a little tricky, you know. I think
he gets road maps, get you know, fans very excited,
get people like you and me very excited. We do
podcasts and stuff off of it. People, do you know,
content off of roadmaps? In Marvel Studios for the longest time,

(35:59):
gave us roadmap for decade plus and for the most
part it panned out. And then you know, post Infinity
War stuff started to change, and I think there was
an article saying that Kevin Faggy is stretched was stretched
away too thin, and Disney at one point, I think
we're too concerned about churning out products rather than you know,

(36:19):
making the correct ones. And that kind of goes kind
of the opposite direction of what James Gunn is talking about.
And I think James Gunn, you know, wants to make
sure that you know, the quality control is still there
and that to get something greenlit, you got to make
sure that the quality is there, that they read through

(36:39):
the screenplay and said, okay, this is something that's going
to be very great. And you know, which is another
reason why I think, you know, The Batman is well
that Matt Reeves still hasn't finished it yet, but you
know that the projects like that and and maybe projects
why projects like The Batman, Bolden the Brave that's not
you know, being green technically greenlit, yet it makes a

(37:02):
lot of sense. You know, you don't want to rush
something out there, and you know, maybe they're having a
little bit of buyer's remorse with Andy Muschetti, you know,
the greatest, the director of the greatest comic book.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Movie of all time.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
But no, I understand his perspective, and I think, you know,
he's I think what he's doing is he's learning from
the mistakes of what Marvel Studios has Marvel Studios and
Disney has done, and honestly, even just regular Disney's not
been doing great either with some of the live action stuff,
and I think they probably need to go back and

(37:37):
reevaluate everything. So yeah, I understand that aspect of it.
But then again, I think there needs to be a
balancing act. I do think that he needs to try
to get on any Mushetti's ass about Batman if that's
where the direction that you're going to go or whoever's
going to be writing Batman Brave in the bold, So

(37:59):
I don't know. I don't know if you can go
back the other way, like you shouldn't go back completely
the other way. Yeah, So I think there needs to
be some kind of balance between the two. And I
think James Gunn going the complete oppice away isn't the
right movee either, But I think that's I would prefer

(38:20):
that over what Marvel Studios has been doing since the pandemic,
which has been rushing out projects and just greenlighting everything
and even releasing things that shouldn't be released Secret Invasion.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But yeah, yeah, the quality control aspect of Marvel has
kind of dipped down as of well, I don't want
to say as of late, it's just it dipped down
for a while.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
There.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
There's been bangers in that same time, but there's also
been some some misses, specifically Secret Invasion. And with this approach,
I think it's a smarter approach to wait for a screenplay,
to wait and make sure things are right first hand,
first and foremost before moving forward with the project. Because

(39:07):
you can avoid situations like a like a Secret Invasion.
You can also avoid the process of announcing something like
Blade and then not delivering on it for what's been
what six years now, So we can avoid that. And
I think just the roadmap thing is probably something that

(39:30):
going back to when he first announced it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I think we've talked about it on the podcast before.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Maybe don't give us a roadmap and so just to
let projects kind of happen. Maybe you have a plan
that you're looking at, but avoid announcing stuff to us
if we're not gonna get it, or avoid announcing things
and even at casting people for stuff before you even
have everything lined up.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think is one of the big lessons to be
learned here.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, I think
everyone's gonna ask. It's a learning moment. And I think
you know, not having to having you know, in in
Marvel Marvel Studios perspective, not having your anchors of especially,
I think it's very apparent with you know, Robert Downey

(40:15):
Junior and Chris Evans, those are your kind of your
lynchpins of of your franchise till this point, Chris hems
are to some extent, I think, you know, he if
we were to talk about like just stardom power, I
think you would have obviously r DJ and and Chris
Evans at the very top. So doing projects with those

(40:35):
characters felt like a added layer of of armor to
your movies, especially with you know, our DJ outside of
his Iron Man franchise, Chris Evans, I think, you know,
coulduce a lot. His standalones have been very, very good.
So I think they had a this cloak of invincibility

(40:57):
and then you start, you know, your stuff starts to
degrade a little bit outside of your known people, outside
of like Loki and whatnot, all your new projects and
new IP and then when you don't have that same
quality control, I you know, obviously your product's going to
suffer and people aren't going to care. And and it's
just not mar I mean not Marvel. It's not only Marvel.

(41:19):
Like the Disney stuff has been pretty bad itself. Uh,
the reviews for all their live action hadn't been very
very great. They're just it seems like, you know, whatever
Bob Chappick decided to do, you know, churn out all
these projects that and start green lighting everything, I think
that was probably the wrong move.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
And and you.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Know, five years later that just that feels very very wrong.
And I think, you know, Bob Eiger came back and said, well,
let's let's kind of take a step back and say
let's do quality over quantity, and let's get this back
on the on the on the right track. And I
think for the most part we saw we've seen a
few project that have been pulled back a little bit

(42:03):
that have been really very good with Daredevil and with Dunderbolts,
and I think there's a lot of like I said,
there's good. There's a lot of lessons to be taken
from James Gunn to d C Studios, and I think
he's he saw all of that was happening, and he
knew the inn workings, and he knew how we all
know how close he was to Kevin Fige, and I'm

(42:25):
sure Kevin Figi confided in him with some stuff and
they you know, shoot the bleep and all that, and
so taken into all that, I think this is the
direction they should go with DC Studios. But again, I
do I do think that, you know, at least maybe
they have their own internal roadmap and they may not

(42:46):
share that with anybody else, and they might be like, hey,
we we really do need to get Batman off the
ground within the next couple of years, because it's gonna
be weird not having Batman around when or rumor has
it that he's gonna do wonder Woman pretty soon here.
So if you don't do wonder Woman, if you do
Wonder Woman and you have two Superman I would imagine

(43:07):
maybe two Superman films at this point by the time
maybe even the first Batman movie gets released, then you
you that's a problem. I think yeah, like you you
can't have this universe without Batman, which is a which
is another kind of an I want to say negative,
but it is a little bit of a negative to
have a shared universe. It's just kind of like, if

(43:27):
you're a DC, you need the Holy Trinity there. If not,
it's just it's just.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Weird, Yeah, because if you don't have them, and then
if you're like, if we're not looking at Batman Brave
in the Bolt until maybe twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine,
you know, like, are we going.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
To wait that long?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Like you said, there's probably a Superman two by then,
because you don't want to just fall off the radar
with Superman.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
You don't want to hold off on things.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
So it's a good approach, but there's all obviously, with
any approach, there's pros and cons to it. So you
just got to be careful with not oversaturating. Because the
we've talked about it, it's it's not necessarily superhero fatigue.
It's bad movie fatigue, right, It's just there we get
a lot of stuff that's just not up to snuff,
and when we expect more and I know he kind

(44:15):
of said it wasn't necessarily about the streaming, like people
waiting to you know, go watch something and rather see
it at home and all that.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I do.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Maybe it's not number one, but it's still a factor here,
and it's still a factor in terms of prices and
everything like that. Those things do matter as well. It's
it's not just a good screenplay. You can have a
great screenplay and not perform well at the box office
just because people aren't coming. They're just not not as
much anymore. Especially when you look at the box office

(44:45):
totals from this year and what if you compared it
to a couple of years ago. It's just vastly different
in the amount of box office hits that we're getting
rather than what we were getting pre COVID, I would say.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
And for a movie to do well that is not
already an established ip like you have to be sinners,
you have to have star power. And I think this,
you know, maybe this is going back to when stars
made the movies where and I think that's what Matt
Damon said a few years ago, is that you just
don't have stars anymore. You're going to see Marvel movie,

(45:21):
You're not maybe you are going to see Robert Downe Jr.
But you're you're going to see Iron Man, and you're
going to see You're watching it for cameos and you're
going you're going to see all that kind of stuff.
And maybe this we shift towards a direction where we're
going towards more movie stars again, because I think Michael B.
Jordan obviously can draw. Hanley Steinfeldt with Michael B. Jordan,

(45:43):
I can. I think you can, you know, draw, But yeah,
I think maybe we're headed back that to that direction.
And people are very you know, they they're careful with
their money now, and we've talked about this on nauseum,
and I think I think it holds true. We're not
gonna we don't want to spend you know, fifty ten

(46:04):
to fifteen dollars on the ticket, then on concessions and
on a date you're spending close to fifty dollars at
a movie and then you're gonna have to either go
to dinner before or after. It doesn't make any sense.
And then at that point you're spending over one hundred
dollars UH for a date night and quality needs to
be there. And maybe this is a direction that is

(46:24):
going to be good for all of us.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's a quality thing when it comes to gaming, Like
it is, just this aspect of it is hitting not
just movies but TV but gaming. It's hitting in a
lot of different mediums. So yeah, there needs to be
a quality here and I'm glad James Gunn has this quality.
Now will it work for the overall arcing DC universe

(46:48):
story that they're building, Well, obviously we have to wait
and see on that, but definitely avoid announcing roadmaps for now,
especially with the way they're green lighting projects. Just stay
away from that, and I think we've talked about that
before as well. Just focus on delivering stuff and we'll
watch it as it comes. Going back to Superman, he

(47:10):
described about changing things a little bit with Superman in
terms of at least how powerful he is. In speaking
to the Rolling Stone, he said, quote or Rolling Stone
asked him. In the Superman trailer, we see that Lois
already knows Clark is Superman, so you bypass one of
the stickiest issues. How does Lois not see past the glasses?

(47:32):
James Gunn said, quote. It comes up again later in
the movie and it's explained.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
She says it. We mentioned it, and it's a one
off and people chuckle.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
But there's stuff later in the movie about the glasses
that are cannon, that's cannon in the comics, and Rolling
Stone brings up quote. There's a controversial seventies issue of
the comic book where it shows that Superman basically uses
super super hypnotism to change people's perception of him in
the Glasses. It was an idea in by a fan

(48:01):
that has been mostly ignored since. James said James Gunn
said quote something like that.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I know.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I only know it from DC Comics writer Tom King.
The first time we met at Peter Saffron's house, we
had this sort of writers group come in. One of
the people was Tom King, and he was the most helpful.
I'm like, I just don't know how to effing deal
with the glasses thing, because it bothers the f out
of me, all that little stuff that people are like,
it's a fantasy, just let it go. I'm like, no,

(48:29):
I have to explain everything. Everything for me has to
come from a place where I believe it. At as
outlandish as it is. With Rocket, I could just make
it a talking raccoon. It had to have a real
foundation for where he came from. And how he came
to be and I needed to believe that. And then
they asked him where, what were some of the other
things you felt needed to explain to make Superman work?

(48:51):
And he said, quote, there are things that I know
I don't explain that I don't even want to say
out loud. But I wanted Superman to be vulnerable. I
see the online and things who would beat him? Whom
Homelander or Superman or Efing whatever, Adam Warlock or bright Burn,
And I'm like, this is the effing's stupidest efing conversation. Like, so,

(49:12):
then whoever would win this fight means that they're the best,
because I'll just go out and write god Man and
who can destroy you with a wink? And I win
when all the fights are forever. But I didn't want
a Superman who could punch planets. And also, we're creating
a whole universe now, so what's a girl with wings
gonna do in the face of that? So he's a
little less powerful guy Gardner's pretty efing powerful, and they're

(49:36):
all pretty powerful, honestly, And talking to people, a lot
of people are like, I like Batman better because he
can actually be beat and I get that. So we
have a Superman that can be beat.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Look at James Gunn with the balance changes, right, I
have no problem with it. I'm sure people are gonna
complain when you know, they complained about the Hulk and
Thor and being you know, getting two pieced by getting
two pieced by van Os and whatnot, which you know,
it's just you know, they're like he said, it depends

(50:09):
all depends on the writer. You know. I do hope
we get a Hulk that can destroy planets at some point.
I don't know if that's gonna happen, but you know,
I know I understand it. I do understand it. But
I also think that he didn't need to do it.
But I do understand it. I would rather have my
Superman not be very vulnerable, because there are things that

(50:33):
he is vulnerable too, and I think that I found
that compelling as well. But you know, it's to each
his own. It's not my you know, he's infinitely smarter
than I am, and infinitely better at what he does
than what I do, so I will leave that all
up to him.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
What will also leave up to him is whether Superman
ends up being a hit or not. There's been a
lot of talk of that and whether this needs to
be the home run. They and Rolling Stone brought it up.
They said, quote, there are people who've been saying the
whole future of the studio might be writing on this movie.
How do you work in the face of that kind
of pressure? And James Gunn said, quote, I really just

(51:11):
go that's their business, because that's not the truth.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
For me.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
My truth is this the first movie out of DC Studios.
Other people may say it's got to be a home run,
nothing else. I'm like, no, I'd be very happy with
a double efing iron Man wasn't the be all and
end all. It wasn't Avatar. We were doing something that's
a piece of the puzzle. It's not the puzzle itself.
We have Peacemaker, we have Supergirl, and what we want

(51:34):
to do is make a movie that people love, they
feel connected to the characters. It's just this one movie.
It's not everything. I hate it when there's an effing
article and it's going on about all the problems and
blah blah blah blah, and that means even more pressure
in James Gunn and supermanow, I'm like, guys, I'm not
responsible for all that I'm responsible for my piece of
the pie. I've got to make my budget back. I'll

(51:57):
be very happy with that. I get what he's saying.
I do think, though, that it needs to I don't
think the studio's riding on just Superman. But I do
think Superman needs to be a very good movie to
really benefit the future of DC Studios because this is

(52:18):
the reboot point. I understand and like, I agree, Like
Ironman obviously wasn't that, but we also didn't have expectations.
I think for iron Man we didn't have expectations. Also,
Ironman is not Superman level popular, especially at that time.
We need a very good Superman movie. I think in

(52:39):
this case, will it be a home run, will it
be at least a triple or something like that. It
just needs to be a very good movie for audiences
to enjoy.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
That's my baby dropping water a bottle cap. No, igree,
I agree with you. It doesn't need to be flipping
a game upside down on its head. I don't think
that's I don't think on its head was part of it.
But no, you know what I'm saying, Like, it doesn't
need to be that. It can be a Jose L
two Bay lead off home run, like it needs to

(53:12):
be that, it needs to be that h a table setter,
a table setter for the universe. Even though you do
have yeah, even though you do have other things that
are going on in the universe, this is your franchise,
this is your hose L two Bay of the universe,

(53:34):
and it needs to do well. And he might not,
like he said. He's not saying it publicly, but I'm
sure behind closed doors he's probably he's more stressed about
this than he is of Guardians at Galaxy. Guardians of
the Galaxy is Jake Myers, you know, hitting a home
run or they're up five, right, Yeah, that's cool. Uh

(53:54):
you you did it with Ironman and Captain America and
Thor and two Avengers movies out, Like that's cool. And
now there's another piece of another piece in your lineup
that's playing well. That's a that's a cherry on top,
that's you know, that's Guardians. And it ended up being
Guardians being you know, somebody at Camp Smith where he's

(54:15):
going to be a superstar. It's going to be that.
This is jose L Twovet. You need to make a hit.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
And yes, he is just a piece of the pie.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Like he says, there is obviously the aspects that Peter
Saffron runs. There is the business aspects, marketing aspects that
are out of necessarily of his purview. But still he
he needs to deliver. I think he'll deliver. But it
has to be good because again, the state of DC Studios,
the state of Warner Brothers in that company, and you

(54:45):
just never know with David Saslov and the rest of
them what they're gonna do. This needs to be the
tone setter. Doesn't need to be a billion dollars to
be successful. No, doesn't need to be eight hundred nine
hundred million. No, it just needs to be a good
movie at the end of the day that does at
least break even or you know, turns in well ideally,

(55:07):
and probably most importantly needs to turn in some kind
of profit to further the DC brand and telling these
unique stories. I think it can do that. But it
doesn't need to be like Avengers level Infinity War. It
doesn't need to be in game level. It doesn't need
to be something like that. It just needs to be
a good movie to reintroduce audiences to Superman, to introduce

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audiences to DC characters and get us back in that
world with some of our favorite superheroes, and Superman needs to.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Be that like like you said a Josel to a
type leadoff.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Home run, We're not trying to win the world series here,
We're just trying to get on the board, and this
needs to be that tone setter for that. So we'll
see how it goes when it comes to the box office.
There's also a lot more that James Gunns. I mean,
it's a long interview for folks if they want to
go check it out on Rolling Stone, and we got

(56:04):
to wrap up here shortly, but I do want to
get to the Batman stuff since we've been talking about
Batman a little bit before we completely wrap up, and
I thought this was an interesting exchange, so it's kind
of it's not super long, but it's an interesting back
and forth that they have about Batman. So Rolling Stone said, quote,
you once said that the fact that Robert Pattinson's Batman

(56:26):
is not in this universe was Matt Reeves's choice. Does
that mean if it were up to you, you would
have just pulled that into your universe? James Gunn said, quote,
it would be a consideration we'd have to think about it.
We'd have to think about it. It is not like
we've never discussed it. They said, it's interesting, your answer
is much more present tense than I expect it, as

(56:49):
if it's an ongoing possibility.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Batman's my biggest issue in all of DC right now personally,
And it's not I'm not writing Batman, but I am
working with the writer of Batman and trying to get
it right because he's incredibly important to DC ass wonder Woman.
So outside of the stuff that I'm doing and the
projects that are actively going, our two priorities are finishing

(57:12):
our Wonder Woman and our Batman scripts. And they went
on to say the Batman script is that still called
the Brave and the Bold right now?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah? Right now?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
In the broadest sense. What needs to be figured out
to make those two properties work? Batman in this universe,
Batman has to have a reason for existing, right So
Batman can't just be oh, we're making a Batman movie
because Batman's the biggest character in all the Warner Brothers,
which he is, but because there's a need for him
in the DCU, and a need that he's not exactly

(57:43):
the same as bats as Matt's Batman, but yet he's
not a can't be Batman. I'm not interested in that.
I'm not interested in a funny can't be Batman. Really,
so we're dealing with that. I think I have a
way in, by the way, I think I really know
what it's. I just I'm dealing with the writer to
make sure that we can make it a reality. And

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then Rolling Stone, after asking him about Wonder Woman, went
back to it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I really should clear this up.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Is there's still a non zero chance that Matt reeves
Batman will get sucked into your universe?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Long pause.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I would never say zero, because you just never know.
But it's not likely. It's not likely at all. I'll
also say Batman Part two is not canceled. That's the
other thing I hear all the time that Batman Part
two is canceled. It's not canceled. We don't have a script.
Matt slow, Let him take his time, let him do

(58:39):
what he's going God, people are mean, let him do
his thing man.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
End quote.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
There's nothing we haven't heard from him about this. You know,
he's ticks to social media a lot and a lot
of stuff. Oh yeah, the One thing that I do
find interesting is that he talked about a canty Batman,
which means that they considered it. It almost seems like,
but now they're tabling it and saying, no, we need

(59:08):
to make this a serious tone. It almost feels like
they were like it was a avenue they could have
go down, which I think that would have been a
completely missed, a big mistake. It almost felt like you
were gonna go down on Adam West Road, and I'm
glad that they're not. So yeah, Batman is important. They
need to get it right, and there's a, you know,

(59:31):
obviously a pressure to get it done sooner rather than later.
And I think they need to be careful of not
waiting too.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Long, right.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And I wonder if that was like maybe thrown around
by other execs, like we got to make it feel
different than Matt Reeves's Batman, so let's make it a
campy Batman. He's like, no, no, no, let's not do that.
That sounds horrible. So we'll see where it goes from here.
But Batman is on the way. I just I find

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it interesting that it's still in a that it wasn't
a flat out no about Matt Reeves as Batman being
pulled in. I'm just surprised that that still doesn't seem
like it's been.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
The door hasn't fully shut on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I thought it was shut and it felt like based
off this interview, that door is still kind of open.
And I guess it's always the case with comic book movies,
but it's just it's interesting that that door or that
possibility is still kind of hanging out there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, and maybe that the problem with that is that
it's because there's no direction with his Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yeah, yeah, very much, so it could be that there. Again,
like I said, there's a lot more to James Gunn.
He's been talking a lot. But we gotta wrap up.
I gotta give my voice a break. My voice is cracking.
Jong's gotta save it for this weekend. I gotta save
it for this weekend. Jong's gotta take care of Jody.
So we got to wrap up here. As always, thank
you all listening to issue five hundred and ninety nine

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