Issue 602: Superman Non-Spoiler Review & Ironheart Spoiler Review

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can do this you. Oh, hello there Internet.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome to issue six hundred and two of Comic Cast
him Michael Carroll alongside Jong Lee Jong.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
How are you today?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm doing well. How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm doing very well. I'm coming off of seeing a
little film very like indie like low level film. I
don't know if you've heard of it. You might have
heard of it, don't called Superman. I saw that last night.
So I am very very happy today.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, reactions are very very good. I I'm planning on
watching it Thursday night, so yeah, it's I can't wait
for it. If there's any more new footage coming out,
which would do I would I maybe expect another trailer,
like a thirty second TV spot to come with maybe

(01:27):
one snippet of new footage. But yeah, I'm trying to avoid,
just like you know, fantastic for stuff, trying to avoid
the most part. I think I feel like over the
last couple of years, we've done a good job of
staying away from super spoilery stuff. I know, I start
stopped following people that post that kind of stuff, and

(01:49):
I only follow a couple of Scoopers and they don't
really post that kind of stuff anymore. Just some of
the casting stuff kind of sucks when you see it.
But yeah, but yeah, yeah, I'm I'm stoked to watch
this thing and it's it's looking like from early indications
it's going to be it's a very very good movie.

(02:11):
And we're gonna get your thoughts because you watched it.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I will get into those very shortly and maybe
I'll confirm it, maybe I won't, who knows. But first,
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into the Superman non spoiler review, we also have we
got to talk about Ironheart spoiler review. We'll get into
that later in this issue, but first let's let's start

(02:55):
with non spoilers for Superman. So yes, as Johns said,
I had a chance to watch Superman last night. Shout
out to Shali's a real movie junkie for getting me
into the screening last minute. I had a chance to
watch it in IMAX, and jong I can confirm what
the Internet is saying.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It is a very very good movie.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
And the biggest thing that I'm telling people as I'm
talking about it like today, is that it feels like
the comics or the animated series, like My Adventures with
Superman or whatever it is. It feels like all that
type of stuff brought to life for silver screen and
live action. Like it just it feels like I'm watching

(03:40):
a comic book in the best ways possible. It's not
a perfect film, but and there is some problems with it,
but for the most part, it feels like the comic
or the animated movies and series comes to life. And
that's probably the most glowing thing I can say about it.
I can't wait for people to see it because they
nailed the landing and making Superman feel optimistic and hopeful

(04:04):
again and making it the most nerdy version possible, and
it's unabashedly nerdy, and I love that about it because
it does delve into those deep cuts and and just
the weirder elements of Superman slash DC Comics, and I
think I think you'll enjoy this movie come Thursday.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, I'm I've seen somebody call it the Sam Raimi
spider Man two of d C oh, which it's it's
that's high praise. Uh yeah, that's extremely high praise for
early comic book movies. It's you know, possibly goaded as

(04:45):
one of the and to this day people will still
tell you that Sam Raimi Spider Man two is the
best comic book movie of all time, which is, you know,
it's a high praise for something that was made very
very early on in in in you know, the before
the boom happened. So that's it's very high praise. There's

(05:05):
a lot of good, a lot of people out there
singing its praises, and I'm going through them right now.
I'm Eric Davis calls it the best superhero movie, the
perfect superhero movie and direct to start for the new
DC Studios. Big bright, exciting, full of hope, never loses

(05:27):
a sense of wonder with just some of it. Some
of the review there, Perry Menonov Nemenov. Nemorov says the
movie is loaded with exhilarating action set pieces in well
placed humor and levity, but the beating heart of the
film the Superman's humanity and his insistence I'm doing good
and making the world a better place. I'm just reading

(05:51):
snippets of this. Brandon Davis kyles at a triumph for
the new DC Universe. It's a comic book movie brought
to a beautiful live action life, brimming with hope and fulfillment.
It actually elicited tears of joy from me, and you know,
you know that it should because I think that's what

(06:11):
Superman should be, is a beacon of hope. And that
part Zack Snyder kind of got it was that the
s on his chest represents hope, and and he in
that essense, He's right, Superman should be a beacon of hope.
It's just the the tone. It was tonally deaf in

(06:32):
terms of the way he wrote stan But but yeah,
like I think, just from the onset itself, the first
teaser trailer when we saw it was it just felt different.
The colors were a little bit more vibrant, the the
levity of David Corns seemed different. Not to say I

(06:57):
really enjoyed Henry Cavills Superman, but this is something Differenterent
they look similar in terms of, you know, just what
they look like, but it's just the complete difference of
the movie. And just by just watching the trailers itself,
and having an established DC universe and having all these
super and super different superheroes already around and supermomin being
one of them, having a freaking a conju just rolling

(07:22):
around the streets, there is something completely different. So yeah,
I it should be different. You should be expecting different
when you walk into the studios, and you know, having
an efhensis on Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane is a
big thing too, which we haven't seen too much of.

(07:45):
I mean, we haven't seen any real Jimmy Olsen live
action in the on the big screen. So I'm very
excited and I got a lot of questions for you too,
So we'll try to keep well, we will keep this
non spoilt spoilery for everybody. But I guess the first
right off the bat is how well did David korn

(08:05):
Swet come off as both Clark Kent and Superman perfect?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
He was, he was the perfect version of both, because
you know, going back to what you said about Henry
cavill I, I enjoyed Henry Cavill's performance as a Superman
as well, but with the way the movies went with
him and the interpretation, it was very like this religious
type figure in a lot of ways, and this godlike

(08:33):
being and and you know, treat him, treated him in
this different regard and and trying to make him like
modern mythology, whereas this one it feels like David kornswet
he's an alien, but he's also just like a human
being at the end of the day, and a good
human being, a human being that cares about literally everything

(08:55):
and everybody. And and I think that's what oozes through
and make makes me think of like the animated series
or even the more recent one, like I mentioned the
old like early two thousand Superman animated series, but it
makes me think of the more recent My Adventures of Superman,
where he's just he's just a dude. Like he's just
a dude that has these powers and he's just wanting

(09:20):
to help people. And I think David korn Switt's nuanced
performance in terms of delivering funny but at the same
time delivering emotional beats is very strong throughout the Throughout
the course of this movie. I wasn't very familiar, like
with him and Rachel Brosnahan. I wasn't very familiar with
either of them outside of this, so seeing him and

(09:43):
seeing her, I think they really oose their characters and
really brought there. They're like one of the core strengths
of this whole movie. And I think David corn Sweat,
like I get the casting so much, even more than
I did previously, Like he not only looked the character,
but he acts as the character and is It's a

(10:04):
perfect choice for him, and I thought he did a
fantastic job throughout the course of it.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, Rachel Brosnahan, I'm very familiar with with the marvelous
sim Missus masl I think we watched two seasons of that.
I think I don't even know. I think that show
ended after like six years. But man, if you do anything,
just watch one episode of that show. And I know
stand up comedians are like very bullish on it because

(10:32):
it's not really how stand up works, but man, the
just it. It feels like Curb Your Enthusiasm, but on steroids.
It's like it's very the humor is somewhat dry, but
it's very fast. It's very very fast, and she is
so good in that show. It might you might have

(10:53):
to watch two episodes because the first episode of the pilot,
I think it's just kind of setting up and she's
not actually on stage yet, right, But and I guess
I should have told you to do this before you
went into go watch Superman. But no, I've been a
big fan of herse for a while. And when I
don't know if I said this on the podcast when
they were doing the podcast, when they were doing the
announcements for or the quote rumored, you know, casting for

(11:18):
Lois Lane, but she was at the top of my
when it was announced that she was one of the finalists,
or at least rumored that she was one of the finalists,
that that was the first name I wanted. She's a
fantastic actress and she even in that show she takes
nobs from a man, and especially her husband in that

(11:40):
show husband slash ex husband. It's not really a spoiler
because they kind of are not together at the beginning,
or they're kind of little iffy on the beginning of
the first episode, but yeah, it's she takes no bs
from her husband, her male audience members because she you know,
she does stand up right and uh. And and her dad.
I think her dad, she might you know, I think

(12:02):
her dad she kind of you know, gives them a
little bit more leeway too. But she's she's she's once
she breaks out of that shell in that show, she
is is a is a lightning in a bottle. She's
great in that show. And I imagine that that was
a perfect role for her for Lois Lane. Oh so,
I guess that easy transition to Rachel Bras in the

(12:24):
hand like, does she match the same amount of energy
that you know David Cornsweat kind of puts out there.
Do they Are they on the equal playing field? Do
you think in terms of just acting in screen presence?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, I think Superman's a little bit more in
terms of screen time and things like that. But I
think she charisma, determination of the character, wittiness of the character.
She is no nonsense. She is a true journalist in
every sense of the word. Hence why we get that
scene in the trailer of Like Her when she gets

(13:00):
to interview him as Superman.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
She goes at him hard and.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And she's not She's doing her job, no matter the cost,
no matter what, and and she does it very well,
and I think she's another strength of this movie. I
think she's phenomenal as as Lois Lane. She really brings
like that character to be more than I don't want

(13:24):
to hate on like Amy Adams or anything like that,
because I think Amy Adams is good. It's just a
very different feel versus what we've gotten recently in terms
of live action. That's a much appreciated interpretation, both with
David Cornswett and her and with the two of them together,
there's a just instant chemistry that you can really feel like, oh,
this is this is Lois and Clark one hundred percent,

(13:47):
Like they always felt like a couple throughout this this movie,
and they feel strong in that and in that representation
of that relationship. I think it's like sometimes you get
relationships with like I don't believe that, like this one
I believe wholeheartedly. I think it's it's it's one of
the again, another core strength of the movie.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, and you said she wasn't well, I guess obviously
she doesn't appear in the movie as much as David
Cornswitt does, but.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
But she appears throughout like she does appear through a
good portion of it. But yeah, like Superman is obviously
going to be a little bit more, especially with like
the Fortress of Solitude type stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
So do you think do you think that the trinity
of Clark, Kent, Lewis Lane and Jimmy Olsen was portrayed correctly?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I will say, though.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I'm not correctly, but I guess like was it was? It?
Was it a good uh uh? I guess ensemble. I
will say, like Jimmy is in it, and he is.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's more prevalent, obviously, way more than what Donal of
Justice did with him. But he's like, honestly, I would
say it's Rachel, it's David Corn Sweat and Crypto, you
know what I mean, Like that Crypto is more a
little more prevalent in this movie than Jimmy is. Jimmy.

(15:18):
He's not complete side character. He does have some stuff
to do with the core plot of it all, and
so he is integral in that in that way. But
I didn't necessarily love what they did with Jimmy here.
I think it's I think there's some comedic elements that
just didn't work for me as much. Like it's fine,
and I like the actor who's playing Jimmy, but and

(15:40):
he is more involved with Clark and Lois, so he's
not completely sidelined. It's just I don't know that I
love the direction they went with him completely, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, Skyler was a Gisondo.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
He's good. I like him.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I just I didn't necessarily love the angle that's approached
with Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Oh you know you want to hear funny story?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Uh. And I don't know if if you guys heard
of that this one, but uh, I think it was him.
I think it was there they were doing a recent
tour or I guess they're just to press and just
aside from this, but I think he got a call.
He got a call for a role in the in
the movie, and he was, you know, sending in video

(16:31):
auditions and he thought he was gonna be be up
for Superman. And uh, he got another call and he said, oh, oh,
I'm a finalist oh Man for Superman. And he goes, yeah,
the movie, but you're kind of you're not you know,
you're not up for Clark Kent. He goes, oh. I

(16:54):
think he was saying like in the back of his head,
like the back of his mind. He he was like,
how did I get this opportunity in the first He's like, Okay,
now it makes sense, I get it now going out
for Jimmy Olson. That is a little disappointing to hear
because I kind of wanted a and maybe this will

(17:15):
you know, be a better story in the long run
over the course of the trilogy. And I know, you know,
I think Rocket kind of had this Arc two where
you know, he became much bigger in terms of plot
in Guardians two. And I'm not saying I'm not comparing
Jimmy Olson to to Rocket, because I don't think Jimmy

(17:36):
Oelsen will have that same character arc. I just kind
of expected him to have a bigger role in it
because it's I don't want to make him comparable to Alfred,
but he's kind of on that like he helps Superman
to some sort of that extent where he's there and

(17:58):
he like provides information or gives him something that very
very valuable to very valuable information or very valuable on
you know, stuff that he needs to you know, maybe
something that he didn't think about, like Superman didn't think about.
So that's the type of role that he I kind
of expected him to play. Yeah, so it's a little

(18:18):
disappointing that he doesn't get that opportunity, and it's a
it's kind of weird that a dog takes and takes
more of screen time than Jimmy Olsen does, but it's
not too surprising. But I kind of wish that, I,
you know, we got that that trinity worked out a
little bit better. But I guess Jimmy's replaced by Crypto
in that trinity.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Jimmy Crypto gets.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, like I like Crypto, but he does get Maybe
I'm wrong, but it felt like Crypto got a lot
more screen time than Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And I think the.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Version of Jimmy that like you're mentioning there is the
perfect version that we get in My Adventures with Superman
the animated show, where he does feel like that he
does feel like a uh, you know, Superman's close friend
and helping him and and doing this and that this
version maybe he'll get to that one point, but not
right now.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah. One of the things coming into this movie was
very since the very beginning, you know, James Gunn made
it a known thing that it's going to be an
established universe, and then when we've got the first trailer
or I guess the casting rumors and announcements. Nathan Fillion
Isabellahmer said, Uh, Frank Grillo just a name after name

(19:36):
after Eddie, Gothic Gathige, his brother Sean and Alan Alan, Yeah,
Alec Tuddick, all these different people, uh, and and to
each one of their own, they're, you know, a pretty
decent name, every single one of them. They've done big things,

(19:59):
they done supporting things. One of the concerns was it's
gonna be too big of a movie. Did it feel
that way.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
No.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think they balanced everyone. Everyone was just the right amount.
Certain characters less so than others, But I think everyone
was the right amount of screen time. It never felt overbloated.
It never felt like it took away from it. That's
one of the aspects where I really feel feel like

(20:27):
this is like the animated show where Superman just runs
into Green Lantern, or Superman runs into Hawk Girl or
one of the other superheroes.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Around around the area.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
That I love that about this movie because it makes
it feel like a built in world already and in
a live DC Universe world, if that makes sense. The
I know one complaint that I saw was like it
feels like the second film of a series rather than
the first, and because this is not an or story

(21:00):
for sure, like this is. There's there's mention of obviously
of his background and where he comes from and all that,
but that's not the focus here. But I don't mind that,
and I think that's the strength of this movie to
where it balances all those elements.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Does it mention how long he's been Superman?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
For Yes, there's the opening stuff like info Dump that
gives you a lot of background information about how what
where we're at in this in this world in terms
of human humanity, knowing about Superman and metahumans and all
that type.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Of stuff like star Wars, like info Dump kind of
kind of okay, okay uh, And then oh, I can't mention.
I can't forget to mention. Nicholas Holt and his interpretation
of Lex Luthor looks from the trailers, looks unhinged. Is
there more depth to that unhingedness or is it just

(21:59):
that surface level unhinged.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
He's just the absolute menace. He's just like Lex Luthor,
villain to the nth degree. There is no redeeming quality
about this Lex Luthor. He is just just bad. He's
just a bad dude like and I like that about
this movie. Some people I know have described it as
a one note villain. I don't think. I think there's

(22:24):
a little bit more layers to him than that, but
not good layers, you know. I think there's there's aspects
where it's just Lex feels like the comic book evil
version of Lex. And I like that about this movie. Again,
It's a refreshing take to see Lex be the smartest

(22:45):
guy in the room and not the neurotic whatever we
got version with Jesse Eisenberg. You know, it feels like
he is the smartest guy in the room, he knows
he's the smartest guy in the room, and he uses
his power and technology to do anything and everything to
just be a bad dude. And I just, you know,

(23:05):
sometimes like I don't need all my villains to have like,
oh I see his point, Oh I did this. Sometimes
I like a villain just to be a villain, and
that's what Nicholas Holt does. And he I love Nicholas
Holt man like his range, you know, you think of
him from like Beast in The X Men to something
more recent like I just watched not too long ago,

(23:26):
Juror Number two, and he's the star in that or
something like the Menu, and seeing him in that finally,
just his range is so so strong, and I thought
he was He was great as Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I I really liked his interpretation.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Are you are you talking about like Chuck wudi Uugi's
version of a high evolutionary Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, it's very much like that, where there is no
redeeming quality about him. It's just he's a bad dude.
And that's and I like that about this Lex.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Interesting. Okay, that's I guess to win, way to go.
I'm not I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad
at it. I'm just kind of thinking we Gene, I mean,
I guess Gene Hackman's Lex was kind of like that,
but it almost seems like it's Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor
on steroids.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
H Yeah, maybe so.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I haven't watched the films in a while, those original
ones with Gene Hackman to to compare, because I was
trying to like look at him, because I was expecting
something like the Lex that we got in like the
animated series, and it's he's less that. Because as much
as Lex was a strategic force, he also felt like

(24:42):
a physical force, and Nicholas Holt doesn't feel like that.
He feels like he's just using his his wits and
smarts to just outthink everybody in this movie.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Okay, interesting because I I mean, Nikos holds not a
small person. No, No, I think he's a pretty tall
but I would I would, I would have thought that. Well,
I'll take it back. There are ways to be physically
physically impulposing as Alex Luthor is just you know, it's

(25:16):
just going to be. It's going to come with this tech, right,
So I imagine him being that type of imposing just
with tech.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
He and he's not afraid to go at Superman either.
It's just he's not He's not going at him physically,
I guess is the big thing here.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
And that's not a bad thing or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's just it's a version where he's going to utilize
his smarts more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not mad at that. I'm definitely
not mad at that.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And public perception and that's a key aspect to this
film that I think works very well and says two
larger narratives happening in society currently.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Mm. Yeah, a lot of people not realizing supermanent immigrant
huh what Uh? Yeah, the people are now finding out
and now a certain part part of the country is
trying to see if they could, uh boycott the movie.
But I mean, you do you?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You do you?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, I'm I'm yeah, you do you the boo boo.
I'm going to definitely go watch the movie. But the
next question, uh, the plot of the movie in the
main villain is it? It hasn't been technically revealed. Is
it something that we've talked about and I don't want
to ruin it for myself, So I guess a simple

(26:39):
yes or no would be uh would suffice? Is is it?
We've I think we've had a couple of theories on
the podcast. Is does it lean into one of.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Those kind of I'll say that kind of.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Okay, kind of kind of kind of works, you know,
I don't want to spoil my spoil myself with the movie.
But oh, and then the two apparently two post credit scenes, right.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, two, there's a mid and a post But like
if you have to, like if you're super hungry or
you got to go somewhere, it's not like super crucial
for you to stay for those things. So just f
y I for folks.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Okay, okay, And oh did you get to watch it
in Imax? Did they like? Oh you did? Yeah, they
screened you in Imax.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, they screened us in Imax. Phenomenal. Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess they're not using
the Imax screen at the moment.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So yeah, I was trying to think of anything else,
and I think that's the only one currently.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Prediction on what it's going to
do over the weekend, I.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Would say, hmm, I'm gonna say ninety million, is my guess,
just because I not that it's a quality thing or
anything like that, just thinking of moviegoers and how they are.
I'm gonna guess a solid.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Ninety solid ninety I oh okay. So according to the Wrap,
the estimates haven't changed from when they were first released,
and the film is set to debut around one hundred

(28:31):
and twenty five million two one hundred and forty five
million domestically, very very good. Sign and Jurassic World Rebirth
grossed three hundred and twenty three million globally on its
five day extended release, and it's doing well on the

(28:51):
second second weekend. So are movies back. Maybe it seems
like people are going out to support big eyeps and
I don't think that's a big I don't think that's
a big secret. They've been doing that since the pandemic,
one or two movies, one or two big movies a
year since then, and this one's tracking well. It just

(29:13):
happens to be where we have maybe three slotted in
within a month span, with Jurassic Jurassic World and uh,
Superman and Fantastic Four. Would you say this will do better?
Not knowing anything about Fantastic Four, do you think this
one makes more money than Fantastic Four?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm gonna say no. I think Fantastic four is gonna
end up making more money.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
You think so, I think so.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think like seeing's because this is one of the
things that about this movie that I think some people
just may not enjoy is this is definitely a James
Gun movie, so you're gonna get that James Gun humor,
and it's all throughout the movie, and for me, a

(30:01):
lot of it worked. But I can understand some people's
viewpoints where it's like, oh, I didn't love that aspect
to it. There's certain aspects where it's not gonna work
for everyone the like, like we mentioned earlier, some some
folks treat or think of Lex as a one note villain.

(30:21):
It's hard to argue with that, but for me it
works for where we're at with the movie, Like there's
different aspects that I think are gonna maybe hinder some
people's it's also just very weird.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's just it's.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Very again, very weird, very nerdy, very deep cut, and
for me that was a strength. But I can understand,
especially like with general audiences, maybe it's less of a
strength there. So you know, it go with that with
with what you will. Also full credit to Nadia Martinez

(30:55):
who's a freelance journalist who also saw the movie last night,
and she brought up a really great point that I
echo wholeheartedly, and that is that some of the dialogue
felt unnatural because there's like like one moment where the
engineers talking to Lex. I don't remember exactly what said,
but it's it's something where it felt like I'm the

(31:18):
villain here and I need to state my motivation to
you right now. It just felt it just felt weird,
like it just there's different moment moments where the dialogue's
weird and it doesn't fit with just how you would
talk to someone, you know if every time I think
about it, it makes me think of when we talked
about that report. However, long ago, where writers are or

(31:42):
or Netflix was writing stuff to to design it in
a way where people could just stay on their phones
and not look at the screen. Certain moments it felt
like that kind of and I was just like, a
would trust your audience a little bit more like we
could kind of get the gist of what's happen right now.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh that's a little disappointing. And I don't like it
when they I don't like it when movies talk down
to its off.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, it's not a lot, and it's just at least
for me, it wasn't a lot. It was just a
couple of moments where I was like, that's weird. I
don't know that somebody would say that in this moment, Like,
it's just some of the dialogues unnatural.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
So but again, it's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I personally like on letterbox, I would give it a
four out of five.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Joe George came into the studio earlier today and was like,
what on ten point scale would you give it? I'd
probably give it eight point five to nine, like it's good.
I really enjoyed it. I want to go see it again.
Like it's just it's a fun movie.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
So if you were to do if you were to
place this on your MU rankings like you did at
Comic Palooza, where would it go?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Ooh?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Probably off the top of my head, it would probably
be third or fourth, because I was thinking about this
too earlier today or last night on the way home,
because I was comparing it in my head to the
movies that superhero movies that we've gotten so far this year.

(33:14):
I think it's better than Captain America, Brave New World.
I think for me, I like Thunderbolts more than I
like Superman. I think the I think the emotional stuff
in super in Thunderbolts is stronger for me than it
is here. It has emotional moments. James Gunn does a

(33:35):
great job of balancing that. Paul and ma Kent are
a core strength of that, and I think that works.
But it didn't. It's not a bad thing. I don't
mean it like it just for me. It didn't hit
as hard as Thunderbolts did. It's still hit like, don't
get me wrong. It still worked for me, and it
was like, oh, that's that's really like an emotional good moment.

(33:57):
But the Thunderbolt stuff made me like really hit me
in the feels in a way that I was just
not expecting where I had tears rolling at different moments
with Florence Pugh's character and and Bob and all that stuff.
So I like that movie a little bit more so,
and I like Guardians a little bit more, Guardians Volume

(34:17):
three a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Oh okay, and Spider Man No Way Home? So forth, Yeah,
I will have to I'm kind of trying to do,
you know, set my expectations, I guess of of what
it should be when I walk, because I'm I was

(34:40):
expecting before even talking to you, I was expecting like
this would be like competing for the number one spot
after like with Spider Man No Way Home. So that
that was my expectation.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I like having rewatched Spider Man No Way Home recently.
I think that that hit me more on the second
go round, and I think that works for me more
than Superman does. So take that for what you will.
Still good, don't get me wrong, Still very good, but
not perfect.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Okay, Okay, all right, it makes sense, all right, anything
else that you wanted to add to the movie.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Guy Gardner is such a douche and and Nathan Fillion
plays him great. Mister Terrific is the scene stealer for
me here. I loved mister Terrific. Terrific Eddie Oh, I
forgot to look up the pronunciation of his name. He
played Darwin in X Men First Class and was like,

(35:41):
you can't kill me. I can adapt to anything, and
then it gets killed. He has multiple, multiple moments to
shine and mister Terrific is a standout here. I loved
him so much, so I wanted to highlight that Isabellahmer
said has moments as hot girl, but of the three,
she's probably the one gets the least amount of material

(36:02):
to work with.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I mean, I don't find that too surprising. I imagine
that Last of Us season two and this one kind
of shot very close to each other, and so I, yeah,
I I I didn't. I didn't expect her like when
you see her and get a cast it. I didn't
expect her to be a very prominent character in the movie.

(36:30):
I you know, I you know, I think Guy Gardner
off of the casting list, I would have put her
towards the bottom in terms of where how much impact
she would have and how much screen time she would have,
So that's not surprising.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think of the three, mister Terrific honestly gets the
most screen time, and I think it's it's it's very
much appreciated. His dynamic with everyone.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Is so good.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Like he the way he plays mister Terrific, it is
so well done, and he has multiple lines like throughout
that just I had me had me laughing and rolling
like he's good in this.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I I really liked his.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Interpretation of of of mister Terrific.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's it's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Okay, what about Wendell Pierce, Man, I always love Wendell Pierce.
How's how's this Perry White?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Not a ton of him, but what we got very good,
very very Perry White. I love Wendell Pearson and he
doesn't disappoint. It's limited, but he he does very well
with the limited time he gets.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Okay, okay, Uh. He's one of my low key favorite,
you know, supporting actors. And I love the fact that
he James Gunn is grabbing all these actors and actresses
that that are very good at supporting the main main
actors and actresses. Alan Tutteck is one of them. One,

(37:52):
Wendell Pierce another one. Nathan Fillion is is goaded as
a he's good as a lead, but supporting he's he's
great too. Uh how are how well did they integrate
the uh the animated characters like super Wait, so did
Alan tun play one of the Commander Commandos commanders?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Uh, he's a he's a robot. He's one of us.
He's voicing a Superman robot.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
So the the what is it? The I mean, what
are they? What are they called the Creature Commandos?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does voice doctor Phosphorus.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah do they do they do those they made an appearance.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right, No, No, I'm trying to think there's an even
reference to them.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
No, that's weird. Like Frank Grillo is uh is on
the casting sheet for for Superman.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
He's in it too, but not like a ton He's
he's I forget what he's called and Creature Commandos, but.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
He's a he's Rick Flagg, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Rick Rick Flagg senior. But like in terms of rank,
like he might have got a promotion since then, but yeah,
he's not he's not too high up in terms of
screen time on this either.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh so he's in it, but the Commandos aren't in it.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
He's more of like I think he they go to
him because he understands. Like I feel like there's a line,
like a throwaway line that you could maybe take more
as something Creature Commando related, but I may be misremembering that,
but there, Yeah, there's not like anything referencing Creature Commandos
at least that I can remember.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Okay, okay, And I'm like looking at like just tickets
and movie times and stuff. Man, that that that Imax
ticket is is quite a doozy. It's sitting at twenty
five before attacks. Yeah, if you guys want to and
I know that's meant to be shot in IMA or

(39:58):
seen in Imax, because the entire thing with shot in Imax,
it's it's a pretty penny to pay, especially if you're
going to do concessions and stuff like that. So I
think if you guys are within like the shoot the
main like central West Houston area, like Tintletown, is very
hard to be like yeah, like like their premium tickets

(40:21):
are like ten dollars, So yeah, that's I try to
go to that whenever I can, and within the last
couple of years, Regal is one of those theaters I
kind of avoid because even the normal theater is like
fifteen dollars.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, it's really expensive.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it's crazy. And uh, in Tintletown, if you go
before like I think five, six or seven, yeah, I
think or something like that, like five, you can get
tickets for like five bucks. Yeah, I think. I think
that's still the case. But yeah, yeah, I would advise
you guys to you know, spend your dollar wisely because
you know obviously the time that we're in, so you don't.

(40:59):
I mean, do you think if it is the experience
much different? And I know you haven't seen it in
a regular theater, but just knowing how IMAX is portrayed,
do you think it takes away from any of the
experiences watching it in a regular theater?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I personally don't think so. I think if if folks
watched this and in regular like two D standard whatever
you're gonna I think it's still a great experience. I
know they're marketing that like the IMAX stuff, and maybe
I'm not the person to speak on it because to me,
like none of that stuff, like in certain moments.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
It's wowing and it's cool, but like to me, it's
it's not a oh, you gotta watch this in iMac.
I feel like that would be something more like a
like a top gun or something like that, you know
what I mean, like something more I don't know, real
I guess or I don't know. Like F one feels
like something you would watch in IMAX rather than Superman.

(41:57):
Like Superman, obviously it's shot in Imax, it's done, does
all the things, but it's not I don't think you'll
get the a better experience necessarily if you just watched
it in standard. I think standard and IMAX you'll you'll
be fine. You'll be fine. Spend your money wisely. Also, Cinemak,
the the Tinsiltown seats way better than most of the

(42:17):
other theaters.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I would say, yes, those. I don't know how they
keep the prices so low.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I know, I don't know either, because they redid that
theater and it's it's so so nice.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Maybe I need to compare their concessions or something like that,
and that thing. The ticket prices on the on those
theaters are are crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, because like like Regal, the seats are fine, but
like every time I go to Cinemak, like the Tensiltown one,
I feel like I have the most comfortable experience there
every time because they got the luxury recliners and everything.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, I think Regal's feet don't go up. I know,
I know Cinema does, and Cinemak, I guess they've up
their prices a little bit. But it's seven fifty, which
is so so worth it. You can't get a meal
for seven to fifty anywhere, even like McDonald's is probably

(43:16):
paying about this much for number one. But yeah, so seventh,
I'm chicken. Ticket prices now seven to fifty A regular
standard format at three pm is seven seven to fifty.
And let me see their highest quality or their luxuries
screening the three D oh three D. Yeah, I can't

(43:38):
believe that's still a thing. Three D. A standard ticket
is twelve dollars and then their D box some seats
XD seating at four pm is, let me see, is
ten to fifty. So, Matt, ma, that's still so cheap
like this at Regal would be twenty bucks. Yeah, I'm

(44:01):
not even kidding, so sure, yeah, yeah, so you know,
don't I think it's a I don't know if this
is a secret around town, but this is definitely one
of the theaters that you should be. It should be
on your list.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's my go to. It's definitely my go to over it.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Don'd you live around that area? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I do. That's also why not to give anything away.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't want to eat stalkers or anything.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Please stalkers don't stalk.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
But yeah, I'm close to that, like, that's my been
my theater for years and years now.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah. Same here, it's like fifteen minutes for my house.
I have Regal like less than ten minutes, and then
I have Memorial Cinemak, which I if I can't go
to Tintiltown, I'll go to that one just because it's
a little closer than Regal. It's like five minutes from
my house. So yeah, yeah, those are those two cinemaks
are by one and two.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, no, those are good, good spots to check out Superman.
So for folks, I recommend it. I definitely recommend it.
I think majority of people, especially if you liked twenty
twenty one Suicide Squad, like you like James Gunn stuff
like Guardians and all that, you're gonna enjoy this one, So.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
All right, all right, I think I'm gonna have a
good time in the theater.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I think you will.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Now let's find out if you had a good time
at home though, Because we both have now finished iron Heart,
this series that premiered a couple of weeks ago on
Disney Plus all about Rere Williams after her internship, I'm
doing air quotes Internship with the wa Condons Jong. Full

(45:38):
spoilers ahead, by the way, for folks, since we've finished this,
we're now full spoilers the rest of the way, so
tune away if you haven't finished iron Heart.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Won Jong, what did you think of Ironheart? I will
just say I liked it. I thought it was good.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You know how I was talking about how I only
want to like we're gonna I'm gonna end up watching
all these Marvel shows, you know how I said last week,
I just I just wish that Marvel would put out
at the bare minimum what Daredevil did, which I think
on my scale is you know, in the in the
low eights and you know, mid eights, and maybe one

(46:27):
episode in the sevens and maybe that episode's like a
six something that Bank episode. Yeah, but most of those
you know Daredevil episodes were I would say, comfortably in
the eights, like a point between eight and and the nine,
depending on who you know, depending on the episode. That's like,
this should be the baseline you should aim for Loki

(46:49):
and Wanda vision, Like, that's what you should be aiming for.
First three episodes. I felt like they missed and missed
really hard. Next three episodes. I thought almost every single
episode that released in a second batch was like the
good Dareduvil stuff to completely. I don't know why, but

(47:11):
it felt different to me, and the first three episodes
felt a little bit more disconjointed, and I think I think,
I think I really got into it after the Magic Stuff.
The Magic Stuff started being an integral part of the
storyline when they leaned heavily into Dormmu, and when they

(47:34):
heavily leaned into well, you know, at the very very
end where we finally get Mephisto. And so I don't
know why I felt that way. It just when when
the Magic Stuff started happening, I was like, Oh, I
just got you know, heavily invested when uh was it?
What was their names? Zelma. First, Yeah, when when they

(47:56):
get into the store and Zelma pops up and talks
of them about magic and Dormmu and all that stuff,
I was like, oh, man, like this is very interesting.
And I think what set me apart from the first
three versus the second three was the use of family
in the second second release of the episodes. The third

(48:17):
the second half of the season is when I felt
was the strongest when her Re's mom became a huge
part of the storyline and how out of nowhere's mom
is into magic and and and I guess that goes
along with Rear and her mom not talking much after

(48:37):
her dad passed and after and after Natalie passed, so
so I could see where the disconnect is and and
between that time, you know, her mom picks up magic
and is into into that stuff, and and and then
when they get closer in the second half of the season,
in the episodes, it felt like we got to know

(49:01):
reby a lot more. And I I just didn't like
the hood stuff like the gang, the robberies and stuff
like that. I just just I don't know, man, Like
I didn't I wasn't into it, like like the cool
like you're setting up the villain. That's you know, I
understand it. I just I don't know, man, I just

(49:24):
really enjoyed the down to down to well, I would
say down to us when I say magic was the
reason why I enjoyed it. No, but like just the
closeness that we got with you peel back the you know,
the the armor behind Rheby Williams and Ironheart, and you
get at the core you have family. You know, not
to sound cheesy, but you have family. Uh, you have family.

(49:49):
And I think the artificial made up family just and
I guess maybe I don't know if this was like
intentional or not, but the artificial family that they got
with the Hood and that gang was to make up
for the the trauma that she had with her dad
and uh with with with and with and Natalie. I
think that was like, you know, obviously trying to cover

(50:11):
up for that. And when she finally you know, got
to a point where she accepted all that, I thought
that was very powerful and then very and then at
the very end she kind of sacrificed. She loses you know,
the one person that probably meant the world to her
the most, and she had a chance to get it

(50:32):
back and she you know, I saw I saw your
I saw your ski really now really now No, But
I have I don't know, like the first three episodes,
if you were to give me, if I were to
you know, grade from one to ten, I think between
six and eight, uh for each episode, like you know, varying.

(50:56):
And but then like you know, on the back end
of the season, I think every one of those episodes
is a seven point five at the minimum, and at
the you know, at any moment you could talk me
into eight point five.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I want to go back to the family stuff because
I think it just kind of hit.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Me where when we find really.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
At the beginning of this, she's she's got her family,
but she keeps him all at arm's length, and you know,
she's looking for a connection but also looking to showcase
her talent and why she does what she does. And
then when she finds Parker Anthony Ramos's character, you know,
he's got that family, he's got this deep connection. But

(51:43):
as the show progresses, you see him lose that family
once John's gone. It just really like John was like
the last bit I think of humanity that Parker had,
or at least connected him to humanity.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Humanity. Why did I say that? Weird?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
But John was that last part of it, and then
losing him just begins the downfall of him becoming more
of that monster that he doesn't want to be that
at least I don't think he wanted to be initially,
and you know, you find out more about him and
his background with his dad just.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
But I like that that transition of Parker losing the
family but Rere, I guess, refinding her family and trusting
in her family to help support her when you get that.
I think episode five might be my most favorite episode
of the series because that I think is a really

(52:47):
strong moment of that where Parker has just gone off
the rails and is utilizing Ezekiel in the worst way possible,
where re Re is utilizing the people and what she
thinks is the best way possible, with Zelma, with.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Her mom, with Land and with Xavier.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Like it's and Natalie of course, and it also has
the moment that the line that hit me the most
where Natalie when she starts showing re Re the good
memories and re ask why she does that, and Natalie says,
to show you that when you try to forget all
the memories that make you sad, you wind up forgetting

(53:31):
the ones worth remembering. And that hit me so hard
because I think also that speaks to her and Parker's journey.
Parker holds on to the memories that make him angry
and sad and all that with his dad and being abandoned,
and in some ways rightfully so, but obviously he utilizes
that pain in a wrong way. Whereas re Re, she

(53:56):
fights it and finally is learning to accept that those
good memories are are are definitely worth remembering. And it's
just that that grief angle, that dealing with pain and
trauma just hit me a lot, just because I've had
recent like things with grief that just kind of come
out of nowhere. It's it's I wrote it on on

(54:17):
I skeeded it that grief never leaves you. You just
learned to deal with it and you learned to to
handle it over time. And and I like that journey
that re rewnt re Re went through to learn how
to better handle her grief. I think that that core
of it really worked for me.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Oh for sure, Like the emotional beats of the series
is very very well done. And I don't know if
I say this way too much, but I don't think
they could have found a better Reeve Williams and Dominique Thorne.
She did such a good job.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
She's great.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, whatever you thought of her in what kind of
for what kind of forever? Like turn that up like that.
She did a good job in that as a you know,
as a supporting you know, actress. And then you come
into this where she is given her you know, given
the keys to her own series and and just to
make it the way she is, like the first two
episodes kind of you know, like you said, she she

(55:13):
has this you know, trauma that she doesn't want to
deal with, and she's you know lashing out based you know,
getting kicked out of school and joining a gang to
to quote provide for her family. But obviously I think
that's it's a cover up to you know, seek some
validation and and and get some through you know thrill

(55:33):
sicking stuff under her, you know, just to kind of
build that void, I mean, fill that void. And then
the second three episode when she learns how to deal
with all this stuff, it's it's it's it's a pretty
good view of just the character arc and a powerful
way to kind of come across as a as a protagonist.
There are some things that she does do in the

(55:55):
in the in the show where you're like, oh, whoa,
and you kind of see like she is human just
like and I don't know why people complain about some
of the things that she's done in the show, Like
whe're you know, Tony Stark is somebody that sold weapons
of mass destruction and you know all this stuff, and
yes he does have a redeeming arc. We get it this,

(56:16):
but this is this is their first official big outing,
So give her some give her some time. And I
feel like, you know, one of the things that I do,
I am a little bullish on is them setting up
so much for the future just because of what has
happened in the past with some of the new characters

(56:38):
that have been introduced, and not just like people of color,
but just the eternals, like we're probably never going to
see them again a Black Night, like Black Knight. I
don't know if we see Kit Harrington ever again, like
just because of like what they want to do with that,

(56:59):
the what they have, what happened with that movie. They're
just kind of put pause on this entire thing. And
so for them to build up this character to a
place where and it'd be fantastic if it shows up
in other things. And maybe she could be somebody that's
you know, written into the Young Avengers, which'd be great,

(57:19):
by the way, And this would be a good entry
into you know, having her when to be one of
the leaders alongside Kate Bishop and and Kamala Khan. I
I just wish they just didn't, you know, tee up
so much for future seasons.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, I mean that's I think that's one of the
Like I love where the show ends because it shows
the flaws of Rerea. But like she's a human being
at the end of the day, Like you said, she's
you know, kid, she's a kid, and she's.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Like nineteen or twenty.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, like she's a kid.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And yeah, the the people comparing like the Tony Stark
stuff and not like, oh yeah, Tony Stark wasn't the
best of people either, was a womanizer? Was this was
that like he wasn't the best of people. He does
have a redeeming arc, but that was told over the
course of however, many appearances, right, like this is only
her second appearance, like chill Out. Also last I checked

(58:17):
Spider Man made a deal with Mephisto in the comics, Like,
it's not like a crazy thing for a superhero to
make a deal with Mefisto. So get out of here
with that. But I love where the show sets up.
But I'm also like, is it gonna be a season two?
Is it gonna be a movie? Is it gonna be
Like I don't know where this goes? Does it go
to a strange academy? But that's supposedly shelved. I think

(58:43):
I want this story's continuation and finish because it leaves
Reary in a predicament like you see them, Yeah, the
things like starting to appear on her arm, like she's
made this deal with Mephisto.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I want to see where that goes.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
And to.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
You know, we're not obviously getting a season two before Doomsday.
We're not getting a season two before Secret Wars. Where
does this story continue? Are we gonna have to wait
five plus years like Shang Chi by the time we
finally get shann Chi. I know we keep beating this this,
but like it's it's true, Like by the time we

(59:23):
get shang Chi, it will have it will have been
six almost six and a half years between appearances, that's
insane to be. I don't want to wait till till
Dominic Thorn is thirty five before I actually see the
finish of this story. I want something soon so I

(59:45):
can understand what's gonna happen next, because it leaves at
such an interesting point Parker going to Zelma, the return
of Natalie like the magic of course magic there's magic
comes with the cost of what was the cost here
besides the pain or whatever is happening with her arms
and assume her body. What's gonna happen next? I need

(01:00:09):
to know and and I don't know what I'm gonna
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Uh yeah, it's it's up in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's really up in the air. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
But the thing, the other thing here is like they
didn't spend any time or money promoting the thing. What
makes you think season two is gonna ever be on
the table for for for a TV series where for
like on the on the pantheon of Marvel TV shows,
like I just off the top of my head, is

(01:00:40):
on the upper half of that list. As much as
I enjoyed Agatha all along, the wonkiness of all that,
I think it's better than that. It's better than She Hulk.
I think I like it better, definitely better than Secret
Invasion and Echo. I think it's better than Moon Night.
I think it's on the level of Miss Marvel, which

(01:01:00):
is saying a lot. I feel like, uh, I think
if just off the top of my head, without having
a list in front of me, I think it goes Loki,
it goes WandaVision, Daredevil, and probably unless I'm missing something,
Miss Marveled and Ironheart. The number four spot. I think,

(01:01:23):
how whenever you want to pick, I think goes there,
and then maybe well, I guess on a good day,
Falcon and Winter Soldier can creep its way up there too,
But I think that's a solid one. Two, three, and
then four is up for grabs. Between those three, I
think they gotta they have something on their hands. With
the show and the cast and and the and the

(01:01:43):
writers and the and the directors everybody. It's be such
a shame that they don't bring them back. And it's
just not tracking very well just because of how little
they promoted it. They released a full trailer what a
month before it's a premiere, Yeah, nothing prior. It's just
insane to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
It's I still go back to when the Daredevil season
finale premiered, How do you not have a trailer ready
to showcase along with the finale or something just to
give folks the heads up Ironheart is coming. And yeah,
it literally was like a month maybe three weeks ahead

(01:02:24):
of the release and then it's released in three episode batches,
and I kind of get why they did it that way,
but at the same time, you don't have that time
to like spend with the character week over week over week.
So it's it's disappointing and like we got I haven't
seen it fully yet, but there's like apparently wonder Man

(01:02:47):
first looks that are showing up or maybe there's a
trailer or something. How does that which is not going
to come out till like December or whatever it is.
How is that getting already promoted and Ironheart barely got
anything like It just doesn't make sense to me, and
it's it's very frustrating because I agree with you. I
think this is an upper half of the Disney plus

(01:03:09):
Marvel shows. I think this is a very good show
that at the core of it has a strong message
about grief family. Just I love that dynamic, the magic
versus the Tech and Dominique Thorne is like a is
a star to me. I don't know about you, but like,

(01:03:30):
for me, it felt like she had chemistry with everybody,
from Alden Heinrich to the to Anthony Ramos to whoever
was on screen. She just had natural like charisma and
chemistry with everybody, and I really enjoyed her performance.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah, it's I it's very disappointing that they would do
this to the show, the to the to everybody involved.
I get it. If this was Secret Invasion and they
saw the fine cut of in Oh, yeah, we're gonna
release it, but we're gonna just like sweep this under
the rug. I could see that, and like Echo being

(01:04:09):
the same way, where you know, Echo got trailers way
sooner than than Iron Art did and that one wasn't
great either. And I'm just like you guys, like did
you not watch the entire season and before like a
month out, Like what's going on here? Like I would

(01:04:30):
say this finished much stronger than Moonlight. Moonnight had a
lot of problems towards the end of that season, and
so I'm like, I just I don't I don't understand it,
Like do they think like it is getting review bombed,
like like a lot of Marvel stuff. But it's like
you guys are giving into into trolls and like, you

(01:04:50):
have to promote this properly, and if you did, like
I think a lot of people, a lot more people
would have I don't know what the streaming numbers are,
but I think a lot of people, a lot more
eyes would have seen we'll have seen the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, I was gonna look it up right now because
I know they I know on Rotten Well, Rotten Tomatoes,
the the viewer scores fifty percent and that's still review bombed,
but eighty two percent with critics right now on Rotten
Tomatoes for Ironheart, and it's I think it's in that range.
I think it's it's a very good show that Yeah,

(01:05:24):
don't Internet trolls are just bashing this show for well, racist, misogynistic,
you know a lot of reasons for that, so it
don't don't let any of that fake outrage fool you. Like,
this is a very good show, one of the better
Disney Plus shows that deserves eyes on it, and I

(01:05:44):
hope it gets eyes on it because I want I
want to see where the story goes. It's such a
such a interesting angle to all take. And also I
do want to compliment, it felt like, outside of the finale,
which was a little short, all the episodes felt pretty meaty.
In terms of run times. I felt like I didn't
look at all of them very long. Yeah hour, Yeah,

(01:06:06):
they were all close to an hour outside of the finale,
and which is weird, right, Yeah, that was weird. I
thought like, oh, if we got fifty minutes here, we're
gonna get you know, and it was like thirty I
think with credits it was like thirty three, thirty two
minutes or something like that, which was a little weird,
Like I could have used a little bit more back
and forth between Parker and re Re in that final bit.

(01:06:30):
But outside of that, it's a meaty show where it
doesn't give you twenty minute episodes or you know, barely enough,
Like this is a well done show that honestly I
would I would have enjoyed if it was a little
bit more like I don't mind it. I really enjoyed
where they took the story.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Yeah, if you really since this is only six episodes, though,
if you really look at it from a minutes perspective,
this is probably eight episodes of thirty something minutes apiece.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, yeah, probably, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
The way they cut it, it makes sense for it
to be a six episode, uh, six episode with every
almost every single episode being like, you know, fifty some
minutes like you said, except for the last one, which
you know it's excluding you know, excluding you know, intro
and credits, they're fifty something minutes. Uh. And then the

(01:07:22):
last one I believe was like forty one minutes with
with like you said, I think it was like thirty
something minutes with just the pure content. But yeah, it's uh,
it's a shame man. Like I think, you know, with
proper marketing, it probably does better, which I I I'll well,
I've seen articles that said as when it released, it

(01:07:43):
was the number one show on Disney Plus, which I mean,
it doesn't. You know, it's new, so it's I don't
know what the numbers, you know, the streaming numbers are yet,
but I think it probably come out with the next
week or two. But yeah, it's it's definitely something I
think you should watch if you have time, definitely on
Disney Plus. It's easy watch. It's not anything complex or

(01:08:06):
anything like that, but it's not you know, it's not
it's not Secret Invasion, it's not any of those bad
shows that I mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yeah, no, it's way better than Secret Invasion. What did
you think of Zeke stain Obadiah's stain Son in this?

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I mean, I now, I I know how we dislike
doppelganger villains, but it almost felt like he should have
been the villain instead. I don't know, I just didn't.
I don't know, I just didn't like Anthony Rames is fine.
I just didn't like that angle. I don't know. Maybe

(01:08:44):
it's just me, and maybe they should have just, you know,
have it had it to where Joe made the deal
with Mephisto and we go from there. But but yeah,
you know, I did like the character, and I just
kind of wish maybe they there was more of him

(01:09:08):
and the I guess. The other thing is like you
know how people people are like, I can't believe you
can't tell Clark kent to Superman. You cut Joe's hair
a little bit, you buzz that thing. You know, Alden
was edin Rich?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Was he.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Was he in solo? Is he solo?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
He's solo? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah, So you bust his head and you're like, oh,
like I didn't recognize him for a second there, and yeah,
like I think he did a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I thought he was good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I wondered why the sudden uptick in social media posts
about Obadiah Stain, and I was like, what's up with
all this Obadia Stain content? Like what's happening? And then
I caught up with Ironheart. I was like, oh, that
makes sense, I get it now. I thought it was
an interesting where the story has hidden the fact that
he was killed in a fight with Iron Man, like

(01:10:02):
I mean, I guess I understand it. It was just
surprised me a bit and surprised me to see Zeke
Stain and to see him be this more like quiet,
not respected, Heather across the street, always having her dog
poop in his yard and all this and that to
becoming this bionic android esque character. I could have used

(01:10:27):
a little bit more of him and understanding him. But
I liked what we got and I thought he was
I thought his portrayal worked, and I thought it was
interesting with I think it's in the finale or I
think it's in the finale where he says something about
I have all these I have millions of dollars of
weapons in me and I have anger, but I don't

(01:10:50):
have anywhere to put it. Whatever it was, and it
was like, oh that that line hit me too, because
that felt like a very high or very a curate
interpretation for what certain people are right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I think we could have used more of Joe.
And and it's the way that they, I guess, just
framed Obadiah's framed that character in in that universe. It
was just like nobody knows the him being ironmonger, Like,
it's just it's crazy to me. But it it's not.

(01:11:27):
It's not ludicrous to think that because you could do
that easily nowadays, where you can make somebody look insane
or make somebody this saint like it's just you know,
it's just crazy to me, uh that nobody knows what
he did. Uh yeah, and you know, he was this

(01:11:47):
man that was murdered by Tony Stark or some something
like that. I forget what. I don't know what it was,
but yeah, it's it's crazy to me. And now like
his son is like, you know, kind of in the
same light as well. So yeah, I completely understand it,
you know, being the you know, current climate and all
that kind of things. So and and they did. They

(01:12:09):
do that in h in Dared Double where they framed
these vigilantes as this, you know, lawless, these lawless people
and Kingpin being the savior of the city so to
a certain extent in that season. So yeah, like control
of the media is is a very powerful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I also like the iron Monger stuff made me think.
One of the things that I appreciated about the show
was well one once Zelma pops up, I really enjoyed
her character. I wanted more of her character when she
said the dutiful Oopa lupa, she was funny. But when

(01:12:49):
like the way they approached acknowledging the mc U lore
of the past of like Casilius and Dormamu and all that,
Like I really like that aspect because that was they
did it in a way to where it wasn't a
you had to have watched Doctor Strange twenty sixteen to
understand what she's doing in those moments, and it just

(01:13:11):
it It gave me further appreciation about like, oh, I
know what Cassilias did, I remember all that? Like, I
just I really liked how they handled that acknowledgment of
the past. And this is where I hope there is
a Strange Academy or something like that so I can
see more of Zelma and the magic angle of it all.
Like I would love to see her at America Chavez

(01:13:34):
on screen together and Dominic Thorne's real in the same light,
like just the three of them or just whatever combination
we could get. I would like to see more of
that because I thought I thought Zelma was a standout
and the limited screen time that she gets.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I mean, a Strange Academy show would be would
be great. It'd be I think it'd be on the
levels of Miss Marvel, just just the lightheartedness of it.
But also, like you know, I would imagine Bennett and
Guwang would be a big integral part of that, being
a big supporting actor and and maybe having you know,
those two kind of go off and you know, create

(01:14:11):
their own adventure kind of thing, you know, maybe getting
sucked into another dimension American Chob isn't her? And and
maybe maybe what's his name? Oh man, I'm wyd my
blanket on his nedd Maybe having a trio that'd be
I mean, I think that'd be a fun It almost
sounds like a what's that Star Wars show? An older

(01:14:35):
version of Skeleton Yes, Skeleton Crew them getting lost in
an alternate dimension with no help other than themselves, and
maybe Bennett Guang comes just tries to come save them.
I don't know, it's hire us Disney, No, I would.
I would definitely watch that show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, or at least something to where like maybe it's
the season two if we ever get it a season
two of this or something that leads into into that,
or maybe that is the focus of Strange Academy at first,
is how to break the deal that Mephisto has made
with re Re and them utilizing it with the help
of Wong or or something along those lines. I think

(01:15:16):
would be really interesting because again, the where the show
leaves off is such a oh crap like re read
don't do it, don't accept this deal? Oh no you did?
Oh great? Oh great? So yeah, I loved it. I
love to wear it left off.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
So yeah. And Mephisto is one of those character or
one of those villains where you know, we could sit
here on the sidelight saying no, don't do it, but
you know, yeah, that's that's what he's us man. And
and for those that are asking, is he's stronger dorm Mamu.
Consensus is no Dormamu outside of his universe is stronger

(01:15:51):
than Mephisto inside his own. I think that's the consensus.
So uh, he may laugh at Dormamu, but Dormamu's no
joke many And that's a that's another way of just
kind of showing casual fans that I am strong too,
ye kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
What do you think of Sasha Baron Cohen as Mephisto?
I forgot about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I love him as an actor. He has ranged. Everybody
knows him from Borat. But no, that man is a
very very good, good actor.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
He's very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
What's that? What's that? Man? That movie that he was
in with something to do with clocks or something. Oh god,
I'll have to look this up. Man, he was a
he was a He was a supporting character in uh oh, man,

(01:16:44):
what what movie was that? I forget what it was?
It was years ago. But but he did such a
good job in the move Hugo. He was I don't
know if you if you've seen Hugo. It came out
in twenty eleven, but man, he did such a good job.
He played kind of a semi villain in that movie.
But he did such a good job in that movie.

(01:17:05):
He was he was very uh, he was very I
want to say scary, but he was. He was a mean,
he's a he played the train station inspector. He was
a good uh semi villain in that. You don't see
him for too long, but he right when I saw that,
that was I think that was the first thing I
saw in him other than the bor At stuff, and

(01:17:28):
I was like, Oh, the man has some range. He's
a he's a good actor man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, there's a I haven't watched it, but it's been
on my like watch list for forever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
The Spy that he stars in. It's a TV mini series.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I don't know where it's at, but that really highlights
his like dramatic acting chops that he has.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
You know, we often think about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Him in the more comedic with Borat and some of
the other you know, goofy stuff that he's done in
the past, but he he does have some acting chops
to him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Yeah. No, everybody just thinks him as a bor At
and uh yeah, it's uh, it's one of those things
where he kind of did it to himself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
But no, like it's it's it's kind of like Jonah Hill,
where Jonah Hill is in all these comedies and he's
great in all them, but also when he's in a
dramatic role, he is absolutely fantastic. He's kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Would you also put maybe Adam Sandler in that category?

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
No, I mean you have one movie where it's all
serious and you get all this critical praise and being
in the top one hundred in the New York Times list,
but then like ninety nine percent of your portfolio is
you know that kind of stuff. Like, No, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I set that up for your interpret your invitation of that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I think that, Yeah, you're right, No.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
They're not the same. I'm great, Adam Sandler is DC's
attempt No, no, Adam Sandler is Sony's attempt at at
Spider Man stuff compared to Marvel. Yeah, there's no, there's no.
That's that's the comparison. Like uh, Saucer Baran Cohen and

(01:19:18):
uh and what's his name? I just I just said no, no, no,
not Sandlor oh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Uh, Jonah Hill, Jonah Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Are the mc U and they're spider Man, Tom Holland
Spider Man and Adam said, maybe this is too mean,
but Adam Sandler is Sony's version of Spider Man. You
may get a hit every now and then, but most
of it is cheesy and not for critical viewing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Happy Gilmore too in theater on Netflix this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Adam Sandler is one of the nicest, allegedly or reportedly
one of the great guys in Hollywood. He puts he
does movies to support struggling actors and actresses that he's
worked with in the past, and that's amazing of it.
But like just on pure movie critical standpoint, it's you know,

(01:20:13):
none of it's critically acclaimed. I do watch his stuff,
like I think like Click got a Click got a
lot of hate. I really enjoyed Click, the emotional beats
at the very end. Uncut gems by far his best movie,
you know, in terms of just writing and acting and
all that stuff. Uh, you know, obviously, you know his

(01:20:33):
early work with Billy Madison and Happy Gilmour always goaded.
You know, Big Daddy is great, like he makes he
makes great movies in a certain area, but in terms
of acting, like you just can't put him next to
you know, susser Berg, Cohen and Jonah Hill, I just
you just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Well, there you go. I was. I didn't expect us
to end on Adam Sandler, but we did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
One. One of the one thing I wanted to just
quickly mention, you know, K Pop Demon Hunt Hunters is
a huge viral success on Netflix, and The Spy is
on Netflix six episodes, but k Pop Demon Hunters on Netflix.
If you haven't seen it, go watch it. If you're
into any Korean culture kind of thing, go watch it.
It's amazing. The soundtrack is the soundtrack honestly is one

(01:21:25):
of the best soundtracks I've ever ever heard. Is very catchy.
Every song sounds like a song that is ripped straight
from a K pop artist discography. The person that ej
is the person that wrote all the songs, and she's
the main character when she sings, and so she's amazing.

(01:21:47):
Just go check her stuff out if you haven't. It's
buy Sony. Animation almost on the level of in terms
of animation, animation almost on the level of Into the
Spider Verse, like it's it's amazing you if you just
watch it for the animation, like it's just it's pure magic.
And I am going to sit here today on July

(01:22:09):
eighth at twelve o five pm and say, Sony Animation
is the best animation studio that we have at the moment. Whoa,
it's it's amazing. It's better than DC Studios. I I
would put it on the I think it's better than
IF in terms of just UH quality, I think it's
better than what Disney does, Pixar, any of them. Like,

(01:22:32):
it's so good just because of uh, the reputation that's
built up with UH with into the Spider Verse and
beyond the Spider Verse, and and and now K Pop
Demon Demon Hunters and and some of the other let
me let me, let me check check out some of
the other stuff that there was another one that came out.

(01:22:53):
But it's so that the animation studio is so good, like, uh,
it needs to be widely talked about. I don't think
it gets talked about very often.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I didn't even realize that was Sony Animation that did
the K Pop Demon Hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
But no, CA Pop Demon Hunters, Hotel Transfer transferv trans
Sylvania is part of the part of the studio. Hey,
Adam Taylor, Yeah, Wish Dragon Vivo. But the main two
that are being talked about right now is obviously into
the Spider Verse, across Spiders beyond the Spider Verse, and
I'm also CA Pop Demon Hunters. So if you just

(01:23:31):
want to see cool aesthetics and animation, definitely go watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
That's been on my list. I keep hearing about it.
I keep seeing stuff about it. When I went to
the theater a couple like a couple of weeks ago,
one of the critics that was and the screening was
like listening to K Pop Demon Hunters right then and there,
like they they were raving about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
It's the only soundtrack I've been listening to the last
two weeks. It's I'm not on Spotify anymore. But if
Apple I don't know if Apple Music has one of
those things, but if they do have an end of
the chart lit the end of the year list with
all the Disney Princess songs that I listened to at
the very end of the year, this one of those

(01:24:13):
songs is gonna be on My number is gonna be
number one. And because Golden is just go listen to
Golden It's It's it's it's great, like and you there
there are people in the movie that you will recognize
Daniel day Kim is there is in it, Ken Jung
is in it, and man, what's his name? He's in
squid Game? Oh me, Young Kean is in it like

(01:24:37):
the main villain for season two. Oh okay, yeah, yeah
he's in it. So he's the he's actually the main
villain in the he's actually the main villain in in
in the movie. So yeah, it's if you haven't seen it,
go watch it because they need uh. I think it
needs to trend number one for three weeks to get

(01:24:58):
to get green lit for a movie. But yeah, this
just like Squid Game, this took almost a decade too
to produce and sell.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
So yeah, wow, well wow, we we have three recommendations.
I think this is one of the first where all
three things that we've talked about are definitely like you
gotta go check them out. Superman, Ironheart, and K Pop
Demon Hunters.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
So yeah, three completely well not completely two similar playing ground,
one completely different thing, and I think, uh, just one
one last aside for ke Pop Demon Hunters. Arden Chow
is actually the lead voice for the for the movie.
She plays roomy. Just weird connection here, like I know

(01:25:42):
her fiance what is so weird. What you know who
Arden Chow is?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Yes, yes, a big poker player actress. Anyway, Like I
follow her on like Instagram, and I was just I
check out our stories every now and then, and I
checked that out when she got in she had a
post and then like she posts and I caught a
glimpse of her fiance's side profile. I was like, wait

(01:26:09):
a minute, I think I know that guy. And so
one of my best friends is his cousin, and so,
like in high school, and I know this podcast is
getting way over, but in high school, he I think
lived in like Michigan or New York somewhere. He lived
out out of state, and he would visit during the
summer and he would just hang out with us and

(01:26:32):
and he was very quiet. And even to this day,
when I talked to my friend about his cousin, I'm
not gonna say his name because he's very private. He's
like a very private person. And so we would talk
about you know, he would come here in Houston and
he's I was very quiet, and I talked to his
cousin my friend about him, and yeah, he's thinking very private.
He's a doctor, makes it like he's super rich. Yeah.

(01:26:56):
He he like did a huge glow up in college apparently,
and but yeah, anyway, I don't know if that's like
a yay me kind of thing, but I was like,
oh man, it's no. It's just one of those things
where you're like, wait a minute, I know that guy.
This is a small world kind of Yeah. I had
to go to I found his the fiance's Instagram and

(01:27:17):
Arden follows him and I was like, oh, okay, well, okay,
that is that is actually him. And then I think
she posted a video on TikTok or Instagram a couple
of days ago with him actually singing the songs to
Keepeop Demon Hunters, and yeah, that is him, And I
talked to my friend about it and I was like, yeah,
he they got engaged and they've been dating for less
than a year or something like that. So yeah, wow,
just a weird connection to keep up Demon Hunters.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Wow, So it was the connection I was not prepared for.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah, sorry for rambling oh for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
No, you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I'm I'm glad we got to end on this because
this is fascinating, but uh yeah, that's good to do
it for today's issue of Comcast, Thank you all for
listening wherever we are.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
We greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
And we will talk to you guys next week, maybe
with more connections to other stuff.

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