Issue 603: Superman Spoiler Review

Today's is about one thing and one thing only, that one thing being a full spoiler review of Superman. Find out what Jong thinks of the movie and why it might be his favorite superhero movie of the year. Plus, how this sets up the future of the DCU, establishing the characters, how the different actors did in their respective parts, which villain they'd like to see Superman take on next, and much more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can do this you want you?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh hello there Metropolis, Wait, I mean Internet. I'm Michael
Carroll alongside Jong Lee Jong.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
I am terrific? This is this uh, this is Comic Cast.
God damn it. You probably have to bleep that.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'll bleep that part for the radio.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
But yes, no, I'm doing I'm doing great, man like
coming off a solid weekend of stuff, I guess other
than being an Astros fan. But but no, it's it's been.
It's been very very good.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know who didn't misdiagnose any injuries Superman's robots.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
It's just saying they try to kill, they try to
they try to commit suicide.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Though, well this is possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
But yeah, thank you all for tuning into issue six
and three of Comic Cast. Of course, as you can
probably figure, we're talking full spoilers today for Superman, now
that we've both seen the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
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at eight pm. Oh one thing, long before we get

(02:14):
into our spoiler review, turns out I am currently in
meta jail because I disagreed with Snyder bros. Is the
short synopsis.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh you got reported?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I had got reported.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
So over the weekend, someone on threads shared a video
from recording from inside the theater and I screenshoted their
post and was like, stop filming in the theater. They
also made a comparison to Man of Steel that I
rolled at, and that's all I said. Was also I roll.

(02:50):
Next day, turns out my account had been flagged for
copyright for that particular post. So I am currently in
meta jailus. If anybody wants to talk to me on there,
I can't. I can't do anything right now.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's weird that that guy didn't get put in in
threads meta jail for actually sharing that screen recording. Maybe
he did.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Maybe well.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Last I checked still up, that one's still up, but
my screenshot apparently as a copyright infringement of some kind,
so for folks that follow me there, which I've built
up a nice little little group, Yeah, you can't reach
me right now. I'll be back on Wednesday, I guess.
So we'll see how that goes. But you know what
I'm not in jail for is watching and liking Superman.

(03:43):
And I really enjoyed the movie. I talked a lot
about it last week. So Jong, I want to get
your thoughts. What did you think of Superman?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I don't remember the last time where I left the
theater feeling very great, like it just you feel a
lot of happiness and joy watching this movie. And I
honestly can't remember the last time where I, like, I

(04:17):
just felt genuinely really happy and good about myself. You
just get that, I don't know, that sense of feeling
of like just pure joy washing all over you, and
and it just it just just make movie just makes
you happy, I think, or make at least it did
for me. I left the theater, I was like, man, like,
that's not a perfect movie, but that man, that that that.

(04:39):
I don't know when the last time I felt this
good about myself and about my fellow person next to
me in a while, I just I can't really. I
don't remember especially comic book movies where a lot of
it is doom and gloom and the hero, you know,
is in inherently that great compared to what you know

(05:04):
Clark is. And I think that was just like it
was just kind of eye opening to me. And you know,
I think I could get talked up to A nine.
I think I right when the movie ended, I was like,
I could. It's it's solid ay point five, like you
it's a solid A point five nine. I think I
like it a little bit more than Thunderbolts, but it's
it's it's a very good like It's a movie that

(05:24):
I would like. Thunderbolts I think was good, but I
don't know if i'd go back and watch it again
in theaters. I just want to wait for it to
be on Disney Plus. But with this one, like I'm like, genuinely,
I'm like, you know what, I can go in and
just watch. It's an easy watch. It's a lot of
the characters in the movie are very likeful or like likable.

(05:47):
The villains are very very you hate them. It's a
very straight movie, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
And there's complexities in it with the just the do
wants of just international borders and just the you know,
the meta of of all of it, uh, just relating

(06:08):
to to the political climate now. But it's just you
walk away feeling very very good about it. And there
are definitely pieces of the movie where just James gunns
Stamp is all over all over the thing going from
the diversity of all of the characters, the the the
amount of quality you get from these characters. When you

(06:31):
get maybe like less than ten minutes of screen time
for some of these characters, and with Hawk Girl, I
think maybe less than five minutes. You just but you
just get a you get a good feeling of what
they are and who they are, and it just you know,
the fight the obviously everybody talking about that fight sequence
with mister terrific flashes of Guardians three. Right, it's I

(06:57):
just walked away feeling very good about myself and very
good about where DC is headed. And yeah, I I
thoroughly enjoyed it. I may go back and watch it
by myself again.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Do you think it was the because you talked about
that that great feeling that you had walking out of it?
Was it the just the optimistic feel kindness part of it,
or or was it just like James Gunn got it
right with Superman and and and telling a more hopeful story.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Uh? Both. I think the way that, you know, my
greatest strength line at the very end where he has
that confrontation with Lex Luthor before Crypto goes all Hulk
on the Lex Luthor, I think that was a very

(07:50):
powerful line, just revisiting, you know, just the humanity part
of Superman throughout the entire movie, you know, like boasting
about what he's done saving preventing war and not even
thinking about the political aspect of everything. And then I
mean that's Superman. It's like it doesn't matter people were

(08:12):
gonna die and I'm not thinking about it from a
border to border you know perspective. That's that's not what
I'm supposed to do. And there's you know, obviously you
get pushed back, and rightfully so you get pushed back
like who are you to say like this is right?
Or who you just say we can I can get
involved no matter what I want. You know, there's within

(08:34):
human laws, obviously, there are you know, there's a hierarchy
in terms of just you know, how things work and
he goes beyond that, and there's a line that can
cross that sometimes you can't come back from. But I'm
sure we're gonna feel ramifications of hot girl murdering a

(08:55):
political figure. Yeah, and you know the Justice Game going
into foreign territory and handling business like SUPERMANDID. There's going
to be ramorifications felt in this entire universe when you know,
as we move on forward with it, you know, like,

(09:16):
I'm sure Maxwell Lord's gonna get disciplined somehow because you know,
he funded the Justice Game. There's a lot of threads
that you could pull from in this movie. But like
when you talk about like why I felt so joy
and happiness walking out, I think it's a combination of everything.
I think James Gunn got the character right. I think

(09:37):
David corn Sweat gets the character very very well. I've
seen him do interviews on a post watching of the film,
and he he was a reason why they went or
at least he was partially the reason why they went
with those goofy over sized you know, spandic shorts on

(10:00):
the on the outside of it. He said that looking
at Superman, this all powerful being having a goofiness to
him should make it seem like he's approachable by anybody,
and he gets the character, and James Gunn gets the character,
and it's just it's fantastic man, like I you know,

(10:22):
gosh darn it, like you know, it's that kind of
stuff is what makes Superman superman. And and he just
stands up morally superior to everybody and also you know,
on the equal morally, on the equal playing field of
every single human being that wants to do good. So yeah,

(10:44):
that that's kind of like the genesis of why I
felt so hopeful leaving the theater.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think it's the there's a subtle nuance with Davin
corn Sweat's performance too, where he is able to balance
just the oh god, you know kind of I don't
know what the word is for it, but that that
kind of country boy nice feel to it, but at

(11:10):
the same time having those more emotional moments, like whether
it's the pau scene towards the back half of the
second act or early third act, whatever it is, you know,
just the nuance to it I thought was really strong,
because I think you're right, he does understand the character
as well as James Gunn, you know, and how he

(11:31):
wrote the character and how he showed the character showcase
the character on screen. I liked Quorn Sweat a lot
in his depiction and him just going out of his
way to just save as many people as many things.
If you had a pulse, he's going to try and
save you in some way. Even the giant creature, he

(11:52):
wanted to try and save and leave it to be studied,
which I appreciated all that aspect because we haven't really
seen that. He was trying to stop it, the giant
monster from hitting a building, he was trying to stop
the giant monster from stepping on a dog and saved
the squirrel, and you know, just saving people. That I
think was so refreshing because I think that gets lost

(12:15):
in superhero movies at times, where you don't see the
heroes going around saving people all the time you see it,
But this one, I think really made it a point
to showcase that.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, and you know, even James Gunn himself made a
point of making your Nope, you know, I don't think anybody,
any civilians died. They cleared the city for the most part,
or they cleared the area where it was going to
get you know, where the hole was going to rip
through you know, I know people are complaining about, oh,

(12:49):
how could they clear a city that big and souch
a short time? And we they had I think a
day or two in advance to clear everybody until they
got that done. So even like you were saying, just
like going around as buildings are falling down, you see civilians,
you know, in in peril, and he saves them, and
the lady in the car. Just there's the girl and

(13:10):
on the street that we saw do we see in
the trailer all that kind of stuff. So there there
is a lot of city damage, but the way that
they handled the city damage, I think, you know, goes
to show you how this Superman is. And then just
the post credit scene or he's just like, you know,
they put the city back together, him and mister Terrific,
and I'm sure everybody else did too. And then she's

(13:31):
like it does just you know, does it look right?
Or oh no, no, no, it's it's it's it's fine,
it's fine. Yeah, it's uh yeah. I do like the
new ones of the character and how he you know,
he's a little boastful at times, but in the heart
of heart all hearts sees a very very good person.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
He's human at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yes he is a Kryptonian, but he felt so human
and just like a regular person that just happens to
have these powers at the at the same time, you know,
whether it's just the little thing of celebrating with Jimmy
when when he's on the phone with Mam Kent at
the beginning of the film, or you know, just talking

(14:17):
to mister Terrific of I'm trying to I'm doing important stuff,
and you know, just these different moments where he just
feels like a human being. Yes he is superpowered, but
he feels like a human for the for throughout Uh
and a flawed one, like he's not perfect. He I
think he's challenged a lot with that early lowesst Uh

(14:41):
scene where she challenges him about, well, yes, you did
save people, but at the same time, you're crossing into
You're you're going into countries that you don't necessarily belong
to and you don't you're stepping into political conflicts that
you shouldn't necessarily go. Like there's a gray area that
Lowest C's but Superman doesn't see. Slash Clark Kent Slash

(15:04):
kellel Like I like that aspect of showcasing that yes
he is human and yes he's doing good, but he's
still a flawed person at the.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
End of the day.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah. And uh, you know, social media does bother Superman. Yeah, hashtags,
super bleep, those damn monkeys. No, it's uh yeah, all
of that stuff bothers him, gets to him. And he
you know, he grew up, he grew up human, and
he grew up human with very talented features, you know,

(15:38):
so we should all understand the flaws of being human
and all that kind of thing. So and he's the greatest,
you know, greatest human of all of us. And he
lives and uh and breathes just like we do. He's
just has impenetrable skin and can absorb sunlight to recharge

(16:00):
to get really powerful. So yeah, I uh, yeah, I
I I do like the duality of all of it,
and uh and and the interweavings of you know, his
birth parents and his uh and and Jonathan and Martha Kent.
It was uh it's a nice, nice telling of that story.
And I don't know a lot of people are upset
with the whole Joe l thing and and I think

(16:22):
I think most recently can canonically, I think Joe l
is kind of a whole and I'm guessing that's because
how James Gunn is kind of leaning into it, that
kind of thing. But yeah, uh oh, just a I
guess a quick thing. Just just speaking of comics, I
did read All Star Superman at the very beginning when
this was announced, and not really that much. Plotline isn't

(16:46):
really the same. There's a couple of a couple of
things that are very kind of similar. Bizarrow kind of
gets Bizarrow is a kind of a big figure in
the Ulscar Superman comic and he kind of makes his
way into this one. I guess you would say this

(17:06):
is a Bizarro.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was going to ask if you if you consider
ultraman Bizarro by the maybe not by the end of it,
but at least leading to Bizarro.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think, so, maybe we'll have to wait and see
if it changes later on. I think a good bookmark
to this would be yes, I'll just call him Bizarro
for now. But no, and then in the comics, it's
a you know, his look in the comics and in

(17:39):
the movie are very similar. The frizzy hair, kind of
leaning down in the glasses, the hunchback the just like
kind of like goofy, stumbling, bumbling kind of person, and
then they established universe. That's kind of it. And I'm
guessing he just pulled from a lot of other stuff
and obviously the Lex part of all of it just

(18:00):
being a freaking psychopath. But yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie.
I don't know how, like, sitting here today, how Fantastic
Four beats this movie in terms of how I perceive
this one and that one. I'm gonna go in with
lower expectations with Fantastic Four. But I thoroughly enjoyed this

(18:22):
movie just because the the the bar is set very
very high with this one. But yeah, I yeah, I
enjoyed it. Oh and I didn't really expect money much
from Jimmy Olsen until you know, and then I got
in I get in there watch the movie. I was like, Oh,
he's more integral than this that just because we talked

(18:43):
about this zastag right, He's more integral in the in
the later half of this movie than I thought he
would be. And I think he nailed Jimmy to a t.
In the comics, pretty much a big playboy goes around
from girl to girl, but yeah, that's I did not
surprise when Joe Jimmy gets a good boost in the

(19:03):
in the back end of the movie second I guess
late second act, third act kind of thing. But yeah,
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I think I think everybody's surprised
was mister terrific? Yes, how of how much we would
like mister terrific and just uh, I think a lot

(19:27):
of a lot of people have him number one in
terms of who how they you know, perceive the character
or the ranking of characters, and we could do this
maybe in a little bit, but I think he's up
there for me. But like I was, like really thinking
about it, I was like, no, I can't put him
above Superman, David Kornswet or Rachel Brasnahan. I just can't.
And even Nicholas's whole performance was so great, like mister

(19:51):
Terrific is I think four for me just because of
the other three that kind of like was a most
integral part of this movie. But I think this kind
of gives Eddie Gathagey a do over for first class.
So very very great performance. I love the character and

(20:15):
just a silent MVP.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh for sure, like he I guess I'll use that
as a jumping off point for like the Justice Gang
and everything, because I do want to get back to
like Lois and Lex. But I felt like he was
a Seene Steeler throughout and he just we ended up
getting a lot more than I expected with mister Terrific.
Of the of the Justice Gang, we got the most

(20:38):
I think with mister Terrific, and I'm glad we did
because he's such a phenomenal character and even in those
short moments, but all his interactions, whether it's with Lois,
whether it's with the rest of the Justice Gang or
super Bad, they're so good and funny, and I just
I like this character.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
This is a character that I know a little bit about.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Like I was telling one of my friends who was
texting me about it, I don't know too much about
mister Terrific outside of some small stuff from animated series
and whatnot. But this made me like, man, I want
to dive more into mister Terrific because his so good,
such an interesting character. The line that I keep thinking

(21:22):
of is when he's on the radio and saying, there's Superman,
there's an alien baby, there's a squiggly man, and it's
so good, just the different different aspects. The fight sequence
that he has was one of the highlights of the
movie for me, just the way it does feel like

(21:43):
a Guardian's fight sequence, the way the camera's are going
along like almost like I guess it's all rotating as
he's fighting through all these Luther Coorp. People and these
different soldiers and whatnot, and it's just it's so well done,
and it showcases his power set at least with his
technology so well that I really if I didn't understand

(22:04):
it before, I really understood his power set in that moment,
and I liked how James Gun handled all of that.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I think the two my two favorite moments of the
movie was that one and then when Superman took out
the Ice Agents. Those were those are the him just
you know, beaming everybody and just spinning. I was like, oh, yes,
it's like it's like a finishing move. I was like, Oh,
that that's that's just that's great. But yeah, Like and

(22:35):
then the the whole garage thing was just it was
just it was hilarious. You're just staying there. I think
that thing was opening for like a like a solid
thirty seconds or just like sitting there and just like
it's like and then and then Lois said, what we
were all thinking is like you have all this tech
and all his money and you can't fix your garage.

(22:56):
He's like, I know, I know, just that this just uh,
he's very what do you call it the what's what's
the word I'm looking for. He's it's it's it's It's
just funny because he was just so he's just so angry,
and he's just kind of like, oh, I know, I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well he's like he's kind of I don't want to
say he's devoid of emotion, but he he doesn't have
the same like he's not just joking around with everyone
necessarily right, Like he's he's very a serious person throughout.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, and that's what makes this so funny. Yes, and
then uh, you get a good stuff it's power set
while he's trying to like you were talking about chitting
the I see all these people like you get a
good understanding of how he uses his tech and what
how he sees so far and all that kind of thing.
And of course Crypto, you know, chews up a bunch

(23:45):
of them. You brought the dog so good it turns
out you needed the dog. No, but no, he was
a you know, every like you said, every scene that
you know he was in he eastle And I found
that very very, very great, And it was, you know,

(24:06):
one of those characters that at the very beginning of
the casting of Oh Okay, they casted this character. And
it turns out it's a very very big part of
the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's what and that's what I want to lead to,
is that, you know, when we were talking about this
movie early on, you know we're getting all the casting
announcements and finding out Guy Gardner's going to be in this,
howt Girl's going to be in this mister terrific metamorpho
engineer ultra Like. It was like, oh, man, is this
movie gonna feel stuffed? And it doesn't. It doesn't feel stuffed.

(24:37):
It feels like the right amount of characters for this film.
It doesn't ever feel like a cameo fest or they
were there just for the sake of being there. It
felt like everyone had a purpose and it also helped.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know, one.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Of the things I kept saying after watching this movie,
it felt like the comic came to life where the
animated series was brought to life because it felt like
just a.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Real, lived in world already.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You have the Justice Gang established, you have superheroes kind
of going around meta humans, and they kind of highlight
that in the in the opening crawl of how meta
Humans and Superman are are introduced. And I liked that
feel for it. I thought it was a really well
balanced feel to where it didn't feel overstuffed. It felt

(25:28):
like the right amount, but it also felt like a
very much a live DC universe already, and I really appreciated.
You know, we get the Hall of Justice, but just
a little bit, we get Maxwell Lord, but just a
little bit the I think we got the right amount
of Guy Gardner and mister Terrific. Honestly, we could have
used a little bit more Hawt Girl, but I think

(25:50):
we got a good amount there. Metamorpho solid. Like I
liked the the balance of everything. I think it worked
well with where the movie went.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, and I bet you what happened with h with
Hawk Girl is just Isabella Mercetez was busy with the
Last of Us. I bet you that's what it was.
She wasn't readily available for that.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And she's had a ton of projects as of As
of late, I mean, last Year, Alien, Romulus, Last of Us, Superman.
I mean, there's there's been a ton of projects that
she's been in as of late.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh, Madam Webb.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, oh, and well I don't think she wants to
talk about that. And and one of the other things
is that the opening text sequence is so brilliant. I
absolutely love that thing. We were talking about like how
long might of humans have been alive when Superman came
the use of the use of three and then three
minutes ago Superman lost his first battle. It was like, oh,

(26:46):
that was That's perfect way to give you an origin story.
Like that was the best origin story, per second that
you could ever tell. It's just like, oh, that was perfect,
Like you just set up Superman very quickly, and three
years ago he became you know, he became Superman, and

(27:06):
three minutes ago he lost his first battle. So I
I thoroughly enjoyed that, and just it sets up the
movie very very well. And you know, it opens up
with him you know, getting basically I don't know, punched
to the Fortress of Solitude right in front of it,
and it's the opening of the trailer, and it was

(27:29):
an opening of the movie. So yeah, I felt that
was very very a good way to open and tell
the story. And then with the other main characters in
this movie, the two main supporting casts of the movie
with Lois Lane and Lex Luthor, fantastic, just a great
way to use both of them. It didn't run into

(27:50):
a problem. You know, a lot of times where you
do have these male dominant leads, you have a female
lead that kind of plays a side character to the mainly,
this wasn't the case. Lois Rachel Brosenhan stole scenes when
they were together, like the interview scene and uh, you

(28:10):
know the scene where they're finding fighting that giant squid
monster in the in the sky in the backyard, that
was great too. We were like why is he you know,
remember that picture came out, like why is why is
he just sitting there with that thing in the in
the background. Well, that scene played out very very well.
You know, the the Justice Gang took care of it,

(28:31):
and you know he was having a heart heart with
with Lois, and you know, from I think, I think
almost every time they shared a scene together, she she
she she took the scene. I really do, and I
think not to say David Korns went you know he
held his own, But Rachel Brosenhan is a great actress
and she she did a great job in this movie,

(28:53):
and I this is exactly what I kind of expected
her from her this performance, so I'm not surprised one bit.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, this goes back to I think last week where
I think I said I'm not super familiar with Rachel
Brosnahan because I didn't see the show. What's it called,
Marvelous Miss masl Is that the one? H Yeah, that
one I haven't seen, So I'm not like super familiar
with her work. So this is my first big exposure
to what she can do as an actress, and she

(29:24):
freaking nailed it. I loved how she approached the role.
I thought she brought charisma to the role. That was
the charismatic performance of her, the headstrong of focusing on
getting the story at the end of the day. And
then again going back to she sees things in more
of a gray area than Superman does, and she brings

(29:47):
that viewpoint to him that he's just not seeing and
he not that he's incapable of it, but he's it's
just she sees things in such a different light and
she does such a great job of express that to
to Clark. And I want to get your take on
that back and forth scene because after the movie, Rahel

(30:09):
Ramzanolie and Jose Bartita were at the screening that I
went to, and they weren't big fans of that of
that scene where she is kind of grilling grilling him,
But I thought that showcase one just how she is
as a journalist. She is a no nonsense She's going
to do what she knows how to do, and she's

(30:29):
not wrong at any point. While I understand why Superman
does what he does, especially knowing the full extent of
what's happening with that storyline, I thought I thought that
back and forth was a great way to highlight not
everything's as black and white as you think, Clark.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, they weren't fans of that scene.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
They weren't fans of that scene. They were they didn't
like the I'm trying to remember what they said. They
were saying that they didn't like her grilling him as much,
or I'm miss memory exactly, but they were they weren't
big fans of the that scene in kind of the
first half of the movie. Then they really got into
it the second half of the movie Man.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's what makes her lowest. Lane. I feel like she
can separate her personal relations and which is why I
don't have a problem with them having you know, making
them a couple, is that she can't well to her
benefit and to you know, her strength and weakness is
the way that she kind of compartment car compartmentalized like

(31:30):
everything in her life, which is a good thing and
a bad thing. Like Clark can't do that right, Like
he sitting there, he you know, he's you know, he's
all getting comfy and getting relaxed for this quote interview,
and she's like, no, this is you know, I'm Lois Lane,
You're Superman. This is a different relationship. And it's a
you know, it's a good thing and a bad thing
because it almost ends their relationship because he you know,

(31:52):
he gets upset, walks out, she gets upset. She kind
of almost sounds like she broke up with him. But no,
that's that's what makes her low us. She can, you know,
do stuff like this, and she's not going to compromise
her job as a reporter for their relationship, and and
neither I mean she shouldn't because it should make Clark

(32:13):
want to be better, be a better person, and also,
like you like it also shows like Clark, there's a
different perspective on how to handle things and how to
look at things, right. So, and I'm sure whenever the
sequel comes out, he will handle things differently. In terms
of international stuff. He can't be just going in and

(32:34):
out of countries and doing whatever he wants. You just can't.
And I know I understand that perspective, and Lois has to.
And I feel like Lois needs to understand that there
were there are kids that are going to die that
he needs to act and maybe you know act, He
can act, but he also needs to you know, be
diplomatic as well. Uh, and then that's something that he

(32:56):
needs to work on. He needs to be more at
the table, you know, kind of saying hey, like this
is you know, we need to fix this, this and
this and handle it that way too. And I'm not
saying that's how they should handle it, but that's that's
a perspective that she provides that he can't see.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Right And like you mentioned earlier, the ramifications of what
you do as Superman or as a meta human or whatever,
we're gonna feel those ramifications and by the end of
this film. While it is an optimistic story and happy
and mission accomplished, at the end of the day, there
is going to be probably fallout from the Justice Gang's
interference in the in those other countries, and just you know,

(33:35):
the full extent of what's going to happen now that
meta humans are acting out, not acting out, that's probably
not the right word, but now that they're going across
borders and not just helping people in the city of Metropolis, Like,
now there's gonna be political ramifications throughout, and I think
she Lowis highlights that in a great way, and it

(33:55):
could be further where we go with the story in
a future sequel or whatever. I also thought before we
move on to Legs, I thought her chemistry with David
Cornsweat was strong, Like it just they instantly felt like
a pair, and they instantly felt like Lois and Clark
together like it never felt, you know, it never felt

(34:18):
like there was a distance between the two of them.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
It always felt like they were a couple. From the jump.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
You could say they're not Amy Adams and Henry cappitle.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well it is, you know, it is nice to to
have that chemistry be shown and it was also I mean,
going back to the Savings people, it was like, it's
nice to see Superman saving people and doing these things
that we expect this character. And again, I like Man
of Steel and I don't want to, you know, sit here.

(34:53):
That's partly why I got put in Meta jail was
because I was like, I don't know the comparisons to
Man of Steel. I like Man of Steel, okay, but
it is nice to have Superman not feel like this
godlike religious allegory figure, right, Like, it's just it's nice
to see him be a hopeful person and for him
to have to have Lois there right.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
With them and pushing him in different ways.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And you know, she's a big part of why he's
end up able to get out of that parallel universe,
you know, poking and prodding the Justice Gang, them doing
their best to publish the story at the same time
that he's fighting Ultraman towards the end of the movie,
Like that's a huge part of everything. Like it's so

(35:38):
well done in that respect.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
You know, I'm just making fun of the Center Verse. Honestly,
I don't. I can't compare the two movies. They're so different.
The tonally, just the messaging, the way that they've written
every single one of these characters. I do see very
apt comparisons to Christopher Reeves Superman like that that is

(36:03):
something that I could compare it to, or Brandon Routh's
portrayal of Christopher Reeves's Superman returning like that is kind
of on the level of this one and this one
kind of I don't remember Reeves is Superman that much.
I do remember Brandon Rause Superman very very well. And

(36:25):
that relationship between Lois and Clark now better than what
it was, I would say a little bit better than
what the Henry cavill Amy Adams one was. And to
be fair, I think one of the reasons why that
one suffers so much is the lack of screen time together. Yeah,
I just don't think they share enough meaningful There are moments,

(36:46):
but I don't think there are enough meaningful moments between
that relationship that you can build a you know, a
co you know, a relationship between those two characters. Now,
Brandon Rouths and Kate Boswart's two relationships definitely not as
strong as this one. This one was with Raseel, Rachel

(37:09):
Brazahan and David Kornswait, but no, if you were going
to compare this Superman to anything else, I think Reeves
and Brandon Ross and even Brandon Ross's Superman essentially had
him being Jesus falling from Earth as a comparison to
so yeah, completely different to take on how the tonally

(37:31):
the movies are kind of similar in some sense, but
the way that each those two characters were written, I think,
you know, obviously very different. And yeah, I honestly think
this is the best portrayal of this character. And I
think you know, Taylor, why do you say his last
name Taylor, the one from Superman? Lowis. I think a

(37:53):
lot of people I haven't seen the show, but I
think a lot of people say that his portrayal of
Superman may be the best one.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Uh yeah, the Tyler Hockland hopefully. Yeah, yeah, I've heard
that too. I've only seen a little bit from that,
I think one of the arrow Verse crossovers, so I
don't know too much about his performance, but based off
clips and things, it seemed like he did a.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Very good job.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, so, I you know, I honestly think it's up
to your preference, but I think this is the best
one they've done to my memory. I I you know,
I thoroughly enjoyed this and you know, I, you know,
lucky that we finally get to see a great Superman movie.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, it's it's nice to, you know, have a have
a Superman that's won the focus of it all. But
at the same time live in this in this world
full of superpower beings and things like that, but he
never loses that limelight. Like it's it is of a
focus of him, and it's it's a well done story,

(39:02):
well done by James Gunn. I do want to get
to Nicholas Holt, who who played Lex, who was just
an absolute menace. He was a despicable villain and it
and I think one of the complaints I saw from
people after the fact was that he was one note
and I don't maybe I don't know, I don't think

(39:24):
that's right, but I also kind of can understand that.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
But I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I don't think you need any sort of redeeming quality
or any sort of aspect to Lex in this case
where he needed to be more nuanced than I hate
Superman with every fiber in my being. I hate Superman
and I want to I want to kill him. I
want to bring him down. It is it simply an
ego thing Seemingly it seems like it. But Nicholas Holt

(39:51):
as Lex Luthor was freaking fantastic. It was so so
well done, so just arrogant and angree and.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Just just off the wall.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Like I loved Nicholas Holt in this movie.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Oh yeah, he just uh he provides uh the he
he provides the what you need in terms of a villain.
He's he is everything Superman is, but the opposite, if

(40:26):
that makes any sense. Like he for everything that Superman
stands for. He is the the the opposite, uh in
terms of just uh being that hateful and that just
being just so so so evil. And I think, you know,

(40:46):
I think he does a good job and and and
to to I think everybody just okay, the the numbers
for actors pay have been released. Nicholas Holt rightfully so

(41:08):
got paid two million dollars to do the movie. David
Kornswett and Rachel Brosnahan, I believe, got like seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to do the movie each, And
I think I think that is fair. And I think
James Gunn basically came out and said he would tell

(41:29):
this to he would he would tell this to David
Kornswett if he was here, that Nicholas Holt is the
better actor or like just he just is, like, I
don't think that's I don't think that's very up for debate.
I think just because David Kornswett is new, so new

(41:50):
in his movie like blockbuster career, and Nicholas Holt has
this experience on multiple different projects and I think we've
seen a lot of range of Nicholas Holt. I think
he did a fantastic job with this character. It's just
uh yeah, a very and I think before the movie

(42:11):
I kind of said was the like high evolutionary in
in Guardians three, and I think walking out, I'm like, yeah,
I think that's a very good comparison to Chow Chowudi
Ichua Ichui ijui. His his performance as high evolutionary. There
is no redeeming quality whatsoever from uh from that evolutionary character,

(42:37):
and that one speech alone, I think solidifies his character
as like the one of the best portrayals of Lex
Luthor that that I could honestly remember, where he's just
like talking about the envy and how you know, Uh,
I'll find this speech in here in a little bit
because it's very very you know, it's it's it's a
good thing to hear and and to to remember. But

(42:58):
it's just uh, one A one A, one A. But yeah,
I just loved his portrayal as Lexuthor.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
He the fact that he's dedicated so much time and
resources just to bring Superman down, the amount of Luther Corp.
Like the amount of like planning and like you said,
he's studied Superman and one A one and just insane
and I mean when he's yelling that, Like his performance

(43:30):
his range is is just outstanding. Because I think I
mentioned it last week. You know, Nicholas Holt, he's done
jur number two, Mad Max Fury Road, the Menu, Like,
he's a known quantity in film, and so it makes
sense why he would be the highest paid of the group.

(43:51):
But also he's just a phenomenal actor. Like when you
see him do stuff like this, it's like, oh yeah,
that Nicholas whole guy pretty good. He's pretty good at
what he does, and he was just insanely good here
as a as a villain, a true villain that we
should all be concerned about. It and how he was

(44:12):
able to manage things and also we were It's funny.
Before I got put into meta jail, there was a
person that said something about, like the people that are
surrounding Lex in his office that are helping him, you know,
do the fights and do all the tactics behind it
and programming and all that, and they're so like all

(44:35):
like I guess, enamored with it and just so cult like.
And that's really what it is is. I made a
joke about, man, the benefits package must be really good
at Luther Court for to make you do all these things,
But it is more so like just they really are
a cult surrounding him, and because they really believe in
what he does. And honestly, if you look at at

(44:59):
society and how we've used certain billionaires, there's some cult
like tendencies that people do. So it's like not that
far fetched honestly to have these people be so gung
ho with legs and to the point of like they're
cheering and just going insane in different moments. But he
brought that that that feel of a cult like leader

(45:24):
in some ways.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Oh yeah, I mean somebody that may own a social
media platform, yes, combined with tendencies of somebody else. Yeah,
it's uh, it's it's frightening. And you know this is
more of an evil I would say, more of this
is more of an evil ramped up version of that's

(45:49):
you know, I guess stereotype. I guess you would say.
But no, this is this is the speech. If you
guys haven't seen this movie, I don't know why you're
listening to us, but yeah, I don't know this. I
am this is gonna be like a percentile of what
how he delivered it, but he the quote. It basically is,
I am aware. Envy consumes my every walking moment. I know,

(46:10):
when they mentioned Galileo or Einstein or one of these
twits in the same breath as me, I feel tight
vomit burned in the back of my throat. But at
least Galileo did something he wasn't some dopey illusion catapulted
into this planet just to have the world fawn all
over him. Because his strength illuminates how weak we are,

(46:31):
we all are. My envy is calling it is the
sole hope for humanity, because it is what has driven
me into annihilating you. One a one A one A
one A, one A, one A. It was Oh god,
that one A part. It was it was, it was.
It was an icing icing on the cake to that speech.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh it was so good because, yeah, the the vitriol
that he's yelling in that moment, like the power behind
it as he delivers that speech and then one A
and then cuts to the pint one A cuts to
the punch, and it's just so well done.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I love that. I love them.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I was like, I forgot, I forgot what I was
doing in the middle of my speech. Oh that's right,
I'm tumbling you.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
And I like that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
He's like, yeah, I am envious of you, Like there
is not a a bigger goal. It's just straight up
I don't like you. I'm envious of how people fawn
over you, because he was probably the top dog before
Superman arrived.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And then Superman.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Arrives three years three years prior, and he's not the
top dog anymore. He's not fawned over as much anymore.
And and it's brought him to this point where he's
just he's willing to break a portal to destroy possibly Metropolis,
like he's he's willing to do insane things just for
his hate of Superman and Nicholas Holt nailed all of that.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah, I wonder how they're gonna handle him being in jail.
I would imagine he you know, no, I would I imagine.
I know he's gonna get out. Yeah, maybe by the
time of the end of the second movie. Halfway through
the second movie, I would imagine. But I wonder how
he's gonna stay out, Like that's that's my whole thing,
is like, oh, like they're there, are there. There's a

(48:14):
lot of story to be told with how he can
attack Superman, and you know, we haven't seen him put
a build his little little suit to to combat combat
Superman or all that kind of thing. So you know,
I wonder how he gets out, how he stays out.
I mean, it's easy for him to get out, but
I wonder how, like how he kind of like he's

(48:35):
not gonna stay like he's not gonna lay low. How
is he gonna stay out? Is my is my thing?
And yeah, I just I love every portrayal, almost every
I think I like every portrayal in this movie, and
even the goofy parts of it, like where you're like,
oh God, like the girlfriend that's like take taking selfies.
She was actually she is a ditch, but she knows

(48:56):
what she's doing, like she she's she kind of of,
you know, has a condensency plan in case Lex turns
on her.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
And he did, Yeah he did. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I know, I'm probably in the minority on this, but
I didn't love Eve like, I don't know. I just
didn't love the way she was written, like I think
it's fine, but I don't know. I didn't love that
angle with her. And then I this is where I'm
like in the minority on I like Jimmy, I like
the actor, but the angle between him and Eve, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I don't know, I didn't love. I don't know. It
just didn't work for me.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
As well as some of the other parts of the
movie minor nitpicks, but that was one of the things
where I was like, eh, I could have maybe done
with something a little different there.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
I guess I could see that. I just thought, like
I think they I think I was okay with it,
just because they kind of hinted at how much of
a playboy or how like how he was a he
was a he was a thing to be thirsting over
like throughout the like it was kind of subtle, not
kind of so, but like no words were spoken, but
like you could see like the girls like were fawning

(50:03):
over him, so like it kind of made sense when
they got to the point. I'm like, oh, okay, that
makes sense. What do you what do you call her
monkey toes or something.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And mutant toes because I did. I'm not gonna lie
I did laugh at the shrimp cocktail toe line, Like
I did laugh at that, but I don't know, Like
the more I thought about it after the fact, I
was like, I don't know if I love that angle
for Eve, but I think, you know, I get it
and it's fine. The only other like major nitpick I

(50:32):
had was there was some moments and I should have
wrote him down when I was watching the movie, but
there was one moment with Lex and the engineer when
they first get into the Fortress of Solitude where the
engineer says something to Lex where it was like a
moment of my villainous character needs to state the motivation here,

(50:53):
Like it just felt unnatural in that moment, And some
of the lines early on with Lex's crew felt a
little unnatural for me, like that I didn't love some
of the back and forth there. So those were a
couple other complaints that I had about the film.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I don't know if you felt any of that, but
there was. I wish I wrote down that engineer line
because that was the most like drastic of we're watching
the movie.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I don't know why we needed to state.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
That, like when they entered the Fortress of Solitary.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, like she goes to like start hacking Superman's computer
and she says something there that I'm like, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Why would you say that?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah? Yeah, I when she said that line, I was like, oh,
this is the line that Michael was talking about like
in the podcast. I was like, Okay, I get it.
Like it didn't throw me off, but yeah it did.
Didn't Like, oh yeah you didn't. I don't think you
needed to explain it, Like you could just cut that
part out. I do wish that we got a little
bit more of the Engineer. I thought that was a
very cool character. Uh but uh, yeah, I think we

(51:54):
could have used more of her and maybe she got
there was more and she just got cut out. But yeah,
I think I don't think we needed Rick Flag mmmmm, yeah,
maybe maybe they maybe I think I think if the
general audience was familiar with Rick Flagg Senior more than

(52:15):
I think, it's fine, but I can almost I'm gonna venture.
I guess that majority of the people that watched this
movie has not seen Creature Commandos, and and if they did,
I don't know if they connect the if they can
connect the two characters, like, yeah, I going forward, I

(52:35):
think sure it'll help, Like just going forward like in
the next movie. Oh that's Rick Flagg, that's the general. Uh,
that's yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, that's he's from he
was from the last Supermaner movie. They're not going to
connect them back to Creature Commandos there, They're not. I
really like, I did really like the John Cena Maker cameo.

(52:56):
That was That was cool. That was that was really
a nice little touch. But yeah, the Rick Flag maybe
he either needed to be not in the movie or
he needed to be a more integral part of the
movie because he did, Like I like me and you
sitting there like, oh, we know who he is. It

(53:16):
gives you more of a personal insight into the workings
of the government just because he's there because we know him.
But other than that, it just really doesn't add too
much value.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I didn't mind it, but also yeah I could. I
was like, because he doesn't really do like you said,
he doesn't really do much outside of being part of
some of those cabinet meetings, which is only like two
of them or something like that, and then the arrest
of Superman, so there's not like a ton there with him.
So I wouldn't have minded him just not being in

(53:52):
it because also he doesn't look like the animated version,
and it's because of I think other stuff that he's
shooting or something like that, which I get it, but
it's like, eh, we could have done without it, Like
it's fine if we just saved him for Peacemaker season two,
which is I think where we'll see him next.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm trying to think Crypto is a
scene stealer for sure. And then we get the cameo
from Millie all Cock and we we see where Crypto
gets his bad behavior from.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I love that line early on where he's like I'm fostering.
It's like, wait, what do you mean fostering? And then
once Millie shows up, once Kara shows up, it's like, oh,
that makes so much more sense.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Now, Yeah, she shows up all drunk and where's my dog?
And he's like they're basically rough housing with each other,
and you're like, okay, well, yeah, that's why he doesn't
listen to Clark the tracks.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
The tracks, why he needs or she needs some kind
of like superpowered Man's best Friend or something like that
to help train because.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Bad dog a little bad, bad bad with biting.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Oh uh, before I forget, Nathan Fillion's green Lantern was
just amazing. Got his guy Gardner, Like, I didn't expect this,
like this nuance from the character, not nu ones, Like
I didn't expect him to be this good in the
in the movie. I didn't expect him to be in
the movie for that long. And I didn't expect how

(55:25):
funny his protections were gonna be. Uh, the the middle
fingers and the and just in the background where he's
just like whacking that squid little thing with like what
was he whacking him with a hammer or a bat something?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, something like that, yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, and then like where they they go out to
save save all those people, he's like, you know, doing
that the he's you know, flipping over tanks with the
middle finger and it was just like, oh man, that's
that's that's hilarious. It's a It's a good way to
put a lot of personality in without having him say
any lines, right, just like you know, Guy Gardner is

(56:04):
a goofball. And also whenever they do find out about
Clark about Superman and they got into that building and they're,
you know, just talking and they I think Guy Gardner
kind of blacks out the whole greens out the entire building.
I thought that was a very powerful scene. I think
it could have lasted a couple more minutes, but I
thoroughly enjoyed that scene as well.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I really liked his Nathan Villiam's portrayal because he plays
such a douche but but he it's never to the
point where I hated the character or anything like that,
like I think it was. It was done in such
a way to where it was an enjoyable like this
type of person. But you can also see why at

(56:47):
the end of the day, he's still he is a
green lantern. He is doing things for the right reasons.
Obviously when he comes through and saves help saves the people.
At the end of the movie, like he he's a
good dude. He's just got a very very rough exterior.
And Nathan Fillion nailed that from the I love the
line of when they're in the Hall of Justice, it's
him mister Terrific and hawk girl and Lois is there

(57:09):
and he's explaining about the Hypno glasses, like what's that thing?
Terrific Hypno glasses? It makes you forget his face and
just his delivery in that moment.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
It was so good.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
I mean, Nathan Fillion is one of those actors you
cast and you don't have to worry about. Every time
he gives a performance in anything that you see him in.
He's he's great, like he's and it goes for I
guess like now you could say that probably for Isabellamer said,
you know, I think you know Nicholas Holt too, But

(57:42):
even like this, I would consider this a minor role
for Nathan Fillion, and and you know, going to and
and now I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, like I
don't want him to die. I almost have a feeling
that he's going to die. But yeah, I I there
enjoyed his performance and they there there wasn't a performance

(58:04):
in the in the movie where I have too much
complaints about his parents felt a little awkward to me.
I don't know if it's just because I don't know,
like it just his I don't know if you liked
the embrace between him and his dad, but it just
almost felt forced, just because he just kind of reached

(58:25):
out and he just grabbed him out that he was
gonna go in for a hug or of a natural hug,
but he just kind of grabbed him and just kind
of stayed there. I was just like, oh, okay, I
I thought it could have been better, but we didn't,
you know, not too much of complaint there, just because
we I mean, we haven't got we didn't get too
much of too much interaction between or among the three
of them. Perry White, I could have used more Perry

(58:46):
or White, you.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Know, window piers Man so good.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah, I thought we could have used a lot more
of him, but it wasn't necessary, I guess. And then
there's a couple of those reporters that I don't think
we needed, but I guess they're just kind of there,
Cat Grant being one of them. They just kind of there, Yeah,
just kind of to round out the staff. But yeah,
I don't have many complaints and which is why being

(59:13):
sitting here today on Monday giving it a nine is
not a It's not It doesn't bother me one bit.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
No, No, I think going back to what you said
about the parents, I liked the portrayal of them just
being just truly feeling like just Kansas farmers, like just
country old like they just we're out in the middle
of nowhere and there they don't Ma can't trying to
yell into the phone and all that.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Like. I liked all that.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
The emotional moment while it was, I liked what they
were saying, and it was.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
A good emotional moment. It didn't hit me as.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Hard as some of the other folks did, And I
think maybe it's partially because of what you said about it.
And I don't know, Like that's why I tend to
lean towards Thunderbolts a little bit more. Like Thunderbolts made
me like tear up, and I actually had tears rolling
on my cheeks with some of the lines and the delivery.

(01:00:14):
This one was good. It just didn't resonate as much
with me. But I did appreciate Ma and Paul kent
really feeling like Ma and Paul like, Hey, how you doing, Ma,
you know, like it really felt like that, and I
I'm glad it wasn't like a a level of like
a Kevin Costner or I don't know, Dennis Quaid or

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you know, it was actors. It was two actors that
I don't know them off the top of my head,
but I thought they did a good job of being
that more country feel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Yeah. I think the thing that bothered me was like
they have thick country accents, but Clark has a just
it has no accent. I was like, Oh, that's a
little strange, Like typically you will develop the accent of
your parents, you know, because they spend so much time
with you, but they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
The and the other aspect that was really good emotionally
was the switch from listening to his birth parents' message
to going to Ma and Paul like raising him in
like different videos and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Stuff like that. Like I liked that aspect as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Again, didn't fully hit me like I think it hit others,
but I still appreciated what it was trying to say
in that moment and appreciating what he had with Mon
Paul raising him and raising him the right way, you know,
without him without them, I don't know that we have
this version of Superman and they're integral to to his development.
And I like that that flip by.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
The end of the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah yeah, uh yeah, And what do you what do
you what did you think of Metamorpho?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I liked them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I thought, you know, I it's it's it's very short,
but it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I don't really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
This is where like I know, some of the other
complaints were like it felt like I was dropped into
a second movie, but I didn't necessarily need more of
Metamorpho or like I didn't need his background.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I didn't need his full origin.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Maybe it's because I've seen like animated series with Metamorpho
and stuff, so I kind of know a little bit
about him. But I liked what he did here, and
I thought he was good. And I thought having him
be in that prison and the reason why he's doing
the things that he's doing is because they have the baby,
baby Joey.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I was like, oh no, but uh yeah, I
don't think you needed a backstory, Like you just you're
you got caught somehow by lex and and you know
the the your kid is on the on the fr
end and you're sit here. You're you're sent here or
you're here to for one specific purpose, and it's to

(01:02:58):
create kryptonite. For for Superman. You may not have done anything,
you know, you may have been just detained without you know,
being you know, given a reason why, just because I
think of what he was was somebody that could create
elements out of nothing and to create kryptonite, and that's

(01:03:19):
what he was. That was his purpose, and he was
there and he just served that one purpose and Superman,
you know, busted him out, and he even created sunlight,
or at least the elements that make up sun the sun.
So he essentially created like a solar bomb and gave
Superman and strength back, and they gave us one of

(01:03:39):
the best chase sequences that I could imagine. I could.
I remember, you know, you know quite some time where Superman,
even in the distress that he was, his priority was
to keep that baby alive and he did and he did.
And also it shows you also showed you how powerful
Superman was when he getting sucked into a black hole

(01:04:00):
and he used his breath to push him away, and
that was like that kind of shows you the the
feet of what he can do. And when he's not
holding back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, he's not like a he's not like overpowered or anything.
Obviously they powered him down a little bit, but you
still saw the depths of his what he can do
with moments like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And and then you could say, and I
think I've seen some people say I think they think
he is holding his punch, pulling his punches and uh
and a lot of things. And I don't I don't disagree,
just because you in that moment where you know he's
getting sucked into that thing and sucked into that black hole,
and and you know your dog, and I guess your
your foster dog, yourself, and this little baby are about

(01:04:44):
to die. You truly see what his power is. And
just a little and he just you know, pulls you away,
like if you know, you know the little that I
know about black holes, once you get tried, you know,
once it starts sucking you, ain't there ain't no turn
him back. And I think there's a couple of references

(01:05:04):
in the comics where he does do that with his breath,
and it just shows you the power scale of Superman.
And and we saw a very short second glimpse of
how powerful it almighty that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Is Yeah, and I love that, and I loved how
he was, like you said, doing everything in his power
to keep baby Joey safe in that moment. It's just
always put in others and the the death of I
forget the guy's name, but the the person who helped
Superman early on in the film out of the the

(01:05:37):
crater that he makes when he's fighting the Hammer of
Bavaria or Bavaria or Ultra Man in disguise, but that
moment where Lex kills the guy in front of Superman
and it just hits him so hard and for rightful,
rightful reasons, and it's just again that that aspect of Superman,

(01:05:58):
seeing how even people that he barely knows their deaths
impact him in such a hard way. I thought was
a smart way again to depict Superman.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yeah. I think his name was Malik Ali, Yeah I believe, yeah, yeah,
and LEXI literally just marked him for dead when you
know he helped him out, Uh just just picking him up.
It was like, who's that guy? And uh yeah, they
just he shoots him because oh I didn't think it
was gonna go this fast, and yeah it was. It

(01:06:30):
just shows you how how brutal that guy can be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah, just the brutality of lex and and the scariness
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Uh. Was this an immigrant story.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Yes, yes it was, Yes, I mean Superman itself. It's
just the immigrant story, the comics, the the portrayal of
even you know, even the Snyder O stuff like he
you know, they he is a you know, he is
portrayed as a god, but also somebody that you know,
crashed here from another planet and that is an alien.

(01:07:05):
Now you know this one, this Superman kind of hits
you more in the face with it, is more obvious
with it. But yeah, it's he's always been like, he's
always been this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
So Superman went woke? What?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Oh God?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
So stupid?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Yeah. Sure. If for those people that know nothing about
superheroes or comics or anything like that, let me break
it to you. Most I want to say, ninety five
percent of comic book credits are all very liberal. So
if you don't like, if you don't like the left,
stay out of comic book content.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
And also at the end of the day, I think,
as as James Gunn highlighted it, it's human kindness, you
know it is. That's one of the main keys of
this film. And I think just the references to just
being a good person, not references, but the actual depiction
of just being a good person helping.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
People, they go a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
And I did appreciate some of the references to our
greater world with just putting people in cages just just
because you know, and it's just it's just it's a
terrifying state that we're in in terms of how how
certain leadership just treats things and treats people all like

(01:08:27):
like nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Yeah, it's just be a good person, you know, think
of the person next to you as you know, that's
another person, you know, like you know, if you're gonna
follow any commandment or any teachings of Jesus Christ, you know,
you know, treat your neighbor like you would treat yourself.

(01:08:52):
That just it's not that difficult. I don't think. Yeah,
it could be to it could be two more, it
could be it could be too about half the country,
but you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Know, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
But I appreciated this story so much. It's and it's
again what we felt like going into it is that
it was a more optimistic feel and I really love
that depiction of it. At the end of the day,
I'm probably I'm still going back and forth eight point
five or nine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I give it a.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Four out of five on Letterbox like it's it's good.
It's not without its problems, but it's a movie that
I could rewatch tomorrow and just thoroughly enjoy my experiences,
just like I did the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think as it's aging more
in my head and as we talk about it, as
I see people talk about it, I've moved closer to
that nine. I think initially I was like eight point
five and then I kind of like say, oh, it
could be on a good day on nine. I think
I think now I'm at that nine. I think I'm like, okay,

(01:09:58):
I think I could sit here and say it's a
nine and be very feel, very very good about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
I know one other thing before we wrap up the
Ultraman is possibly Bizarro. The angle of it all is
I think, obviously, you know Lex clones Superman, and we
get this version of him, but they have that line
about he's just big and dumb or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
That's where my head went.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
To, oh, this is probably gonna be Bizarro at some point,
and yes, he gets sucked into the black hole or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
But I could.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I mean, it's comics like he he'll probably come back
and be just all jacked up and look more like
the bizarro that we know from comics and animated and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Yeah, And I you know, I think typically when you
the main villain of the movie is you know, Lex Luthor,
it's not you know, it's not Ultraman, it's not the
engineer all that. But like, because you can, you can.
I think the way that James Gunn set this up,
you can go in almost any direction for the next

(01:11:05):
villain because like usually, when you know you have a
very strong, physically imposing villain, the way to go is
to go the opposite and give you a villain that's different,
give you a villain that is more smart and more methodical.

(01:11:28):
But I think the way they set this up, you
can go either way. I think you get you in
the first movie, you you get in the in this movie.
You get smart with Lex and you get powerful with
Ultra Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Do you There was a question posed from Elliott of
Movie Files, who's been on this podcast once before. He asks,
you know, who do you who would you want to
see as the villain of the next film, And I
went with either Matallo or Parasite. One of those two
I think would be interesting just because we haven't seen

(01:12:06):
them in live action, and I think it would be
a cool characters to see. Finally, where would you be
on that aspect? Who would you like to see?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I think there's a couple of just maybe I don't
say obvious answers, but I think I don't think we'll
get General Zodd just because what Zack Snyder, it's too fresh.
I think General Zod is probably gonna be maybe saved
for much much later down to the line. Maybe he
could be, you know, honestly, if they if you wanted to,

(01:12:39):
then he could be the big bad for the Justice
League for the first time, or the Justice Gang for
their first movie if you wanted to, and then just
kind of play up for Dark Side much much later.
I kind of want to see Brainiac just because I'm

(01:13:00):
leaning Brainiac because I because although we got a smart
portrayal of Lex with his tech and the way that
he's he outsmarted Superman and put together Ultraman all that stuff,
we didn't see Superman be intellectually challenged in the comics.

(01:13:21):
Superman is one of the most smartest people to exist,
and I don't think we saw that yet. I thought
we were gonna get a little bit of that, but
we didn't. I mean, I guess we got a little
bit of that when he was fighting Ultraman, but I
think we I think, to get a better sense of
how smart he is. I think, you know, Brainiac would

(01:13:42):
be a good choice, and I'm kind of leaning that way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Yeah, that would be a good choice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
You would you not save him for like a Justice
League or anything like that, you would focus on a
Superman sequel for Brainiac?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
I guess you could. I guess you could do that too.
But yeah, I that could be a possibility. Yeah, I mean,
would do you think Bizarro could come back to be
Bizarre ultimately come back to be Bizarro for the second movie?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I guess it could be a possible possible appearance. I
could see that that him just popping up down the
line though, and save for future, like we we forget
about Bizarro and him popping up and being maybe in
the third or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I do agree.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I think for the second film it's going to be
something different and and like you said, it could go
either way with super Strong or super Smart. I would
like to see Brainiac and that like, that would be cool.
I was just always like Metallo and Parasite, so I
just I would be so interested in either of them
popping up and fighting Superman.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
What about Lobo?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Lobo would be cool Lobo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I mean, we know Lobo's coming obviously, we we know
he's going to be in Supergirl.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
So yeah, I'm like, Lobo could be I mean, he's,
you know, anti hero kind of thing, but he could
he could be a powerful antagonist to Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I don't know, Yeah, that would be cool. I would
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
There's a lot of possibilities because we really haven't dove
into his rogues gallery. I would say outside of Zod Doomsday,
I mean, who else Like Darkseide a little bit, but
not really.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I do agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I don't think we do anything with Zod because we've
had so much exposure to that character during the Snyder
Verse era, so and I don't think we do Doomsday
anytime soon either. I think they would hold off on
that interpretation for a while. So somebody that we haven't
seen in comics. I think they take the approach of
like what they've been doing with Spider Man and doing

(01:15:57):
some different villains. Like, obviously Lex is so key to Superman,
I get it. But doing something different that makes it
feel different, I think is probably probably the route that
James Gunn wants to go, just in terms of how
he thinks about the character.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Yeah, I think so too. So yeah, it'd be Lex
will definitely be a part of integral part of the
story just going forward. And yeah, it will be very
interesting to see who. I'm sure he has someone lined
up in his in his head, and I'm sure like it. Well,
we might see, like I don't know, a tease and

(01:16:32):
maybe one of the other projects.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I think our next big tease for where the Greater
Story is gonna go is probably in Lanterns. We know
Guy Gardner is going to make an appearance there. I
think Nathan Phillion said as much, especially with like apparently
he's gonna be dropping f bombs left and right. So
we'll see how that goes. But I yeah, I like
where we're setting up. And then just really quickly, I

(01:16:58):
do like the engineer in this movie. I thought seeing
her powers and seeing the Nanites doing what all she
could do, I thought that was really cool. I wonder
if we're still gonna lead to the authority. Obviously, we
haven't heard any movement there from James and where those
characters could go. Didn't feel like there was any teases

(01:17:18):
to the Authority at large in this movie. Maybe I
missed it, Maybe there was an East Egg or something
like that. But yeah, if we got more Engineer as well,
I wouldn't be mad at that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
No, No, I wouldn't be mad at that at all,
because I think for how great she looked on screen visually,
I think we could have done more with her.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, Like the whole using her nanites to choke out
Superman was one scary too, Like they look cool on screen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Yeah, and she I think almost disappeared from the second act.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yeah, Yeah, she was like gone, Yeah, she kind of disappears.
And it's outside of that, I guess it's really the
third act battle, Like that's primarily where you see her
for the rest of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Yeah, you see her hack Fortress of Solitude, and then
you see her and fight a little bit at the beginning.
And you don't even see her fight at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Now because she's just hacking or tracking where Fortress of
Solitude's at.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Yeah, and then you just you see her at the
end fighting him. I think you see her maybe once
or twice in the middle of that, but like you
really see her at the towards the end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I would wonder if they would pivot. Well, I guess not.
I was just thinking, I wonder if they pivot The
Authority to be a series so we get more time
with like her character and some of the other members
of the Authority. But that would be an expensive series
because of her power set and her unique abilities with
nanits and everything. So maybe not. Maybe that is just

(01:18:50):
a movie experience again with her. But I just I
liked what her character could do, and I'm curious to
see more with her character at some point because obviously
of the villains her story you know, Ultraman's Ultraman and
possibly Bizarro, but her backstory I would be more curious about.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Learning learning on oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
And since there is talk, we won't get into the
full article here, But there was a Wall Street Journal
article that I think it interviewed James Gunn and some
of the spinoff series that could possibly come from this,
as a Jimmy Olsen spinoff series and a Mister Terrific
spinoff series. While I didn't love Jimmy in here. I
like the actor, so I guess I wouldn't be opposed

(01:19:36):
to that. But I definitely am all about a mister
terrific series at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Yes, all all, yes, because he's g D list of terrific.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
That's so good. Well, I think that's gonna do it.
Any other final thoughts on Superman before we wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Up, johng No, go watch it. If you haven't watched it.
I don't know why you listen to this, but go
watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Thank you for listening to this.

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