Issue 609: Alien Earth Ep. 3 & Peacemaker Ep. 1 Spoiler Reviews

On today's issue Jong and Michael react to KPop Demon Hunters winning the box office with only a 2 day run, what a longer box office run could've looked like for the film and the rumors surrounding a possible on set beef between 2 stars of Avengers: Doomsday. Then the guys get into their full spoiler reviews of Alien: Earth episode 3 and Peacemaker's season 2 premiere. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can do this, you.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Do.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh hello there, internets, Welcome to issue six hundred and
nine of Comic Cast. I'm Michael Carroll alongside Jong Lee Jong.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am doing fantastic? How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I am doing very well. I'm sad I didn't get
to see uh K Pop Demon Hunters this singalong version
this weekend because apparently a lot of people did.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yes, and I I misspoke last week when maybe this
was like a pre screening, and I think a couple
of the big stars of that of the movie got
to watch it early.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
The single long. But man, this thing is a monster.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I I was looking at just numbers for other movies
that came out, and obviously this one is not. It
only released in seventeen hundred theaters, which for the most
part is about it's a lot. It's less than half
of what big releases get. And if I quickly go

(01:45):
to like Fantastic Four, they opened in forty one twenty
five movie theater, so you know, it's probably I'm not
great at math, you know, even though I'm Asian, but
it's about, you know, sixty percent of what sixty percent
of what Fantastic Four opened with. I would imagine about

(02:06):
that about that percentage.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I would say so. And typically the four thousand
number of theaters being around four thousand is typically what
you expect from movies. This one is a little more
limited besides just being a limited time event. I believe
it was AMC, which is one of, if not the
biggest theater chain that's out there, did not take up

(02:30):
Netflix's offer to run it in their theaters this weekend
because they have a policy of not putting films that
are already available, like in like I had to get
the quote exactly, I hear it is only AMC theaters,
the country and world's largest circuit, refused to play the
sing along in keeping with its general policy of not

(02:52):
playing movies that are that are in the home regal
cinemas and cinema theaters to the countries two largest circuits
behind AMC Theaters, along with Alamo, Drafthouse, and numerous other
circuits were all game to grab a piece of the action.
So if AMC had taken them up on this, I
would imagine those numbers would be a lot more like

(03:14):
if we were closer to the three thousand, four thousand
mark that a typical box office run is I wouldn't
be shocked if this had made thirty forty million this weekend.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and number one in seventeen hundred theaters is just crazy.
It made eighteen million dollars over the weekend in seventeen
hundred theaters. It's about forty percent of what and I
did the math here, forty one percent of what Fantastic
four did in the opening weekend. I mean, I think
Fantastic four held that number until August seventh. They did

(03:48):
that for about three weeks number of theaters, and then
it dropped by five hundred. But you know, Fantastic four
opened up Friday with thirteen. They averaged a close to
fourteen thousand dollars I guess per theater. And you take
a look at Katee Pop Demon Hunters, they averaged fifty

(04:09):
six hundred dollars per theater. Which it's that that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's amazing. And if you it's hard to you know, extrapolate.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
That over, like, you know, in a full theater run
because you just mean, you just can't do that. But
if you really extrapolated it over a full theater run
in the first weekend, with the numbers that they did,
you're probably looking at sixty to seventy million dollar open
and that's not considering the fact that it's been out

(04:41):
on Netflix for more than two months. It's it's it's
just it's it's incredible to me, Like they only did
it for two days, Saturday a nine point six million
and Sunday eight point four million with a twelve point
five percent drop, which that's I don't know what to say.
Things is a monster and I you know, it's a

(05:03):
perfect mix. I think, you know, we're talking about like
movies that make just a crap ton of money. Animation
is one of them. And to bring families out and
to have you know, to have adults and families that
the movie that both adults and kids can watch, it's
it's incredible. And you know, currently it's still sitting at
number two on Netflix of all time. And I would

(05:24):
imagine it's going to surpass Red one.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Is it read one notice?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, Red Notice, It's gonna I would imagine it's gonna
surpass Red Notice here within the next maybe month or so.
Currently sitting at three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Million hours watched.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Uh, and I think it was like it was watched
like two hundred and forty something million or two hundred
and forty something, yeah, million times, which it's it's a monster.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
With legs and it's just it just it's a fun We.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Don't get these very often, and yeah, it's just one
of those.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's just one of those. It's just incredible to me.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because it's an original ip, right, like,
this is the first we've ever Now it's going to
be a franchise, I'm sure, but just the development of
this and how it's see seemingly come out of nowhere.
But Deadline just reported a little bit ago that updated
numbers are have it sitting at nineteen point two million,

(06:27):
and Netflix announced that that singalong version is coming to
the streamer today, so you can watch the single long
version on your Netflix account right now, which I wonder
I don't know how, you know, I don't know how
Netflix does all their stuff because it's very quiet how
they do things. But if the sing along version, if

(06:50):
that's separate numbers or do they just kind of roll
it all together or what? Because if you include the
sing along version, I imagine it definitely surpasses red Notice
by like the end of the week or maybe by
even tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's crazy. And I you know,
when when was it released?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It was it's been more than two months.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think it's like May or June.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
It was June.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think June twentieth.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, June twentieth.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Uh so yeah, we're going on two months to two
strong months of this thing just dominating streaming. And I
had to look up who pockets the money for this.
It's not Sony, Yeah, it's not so okay. So to
lay things out, Sony sold the rights the distribution rights

(07:53):
to Netflix for twenty million dollars. Netflix made that back
in two days in this theater run, just under twenty
million dollars in just this limited, limited theater run. They
made what you're saying, nineteen point what six nineteen nineteen
point two, So they just, you know, a shy under

(08:15):
a million dollars, which I'm sure Netflix is like, oh
that's fine, And yeah, they spent Sony spent one hundred
million producing the thing, so they they're out one hundred
and twenty million dollars. And you know, I'm sure the
next the sequel that they're going to sell to Netflix,
I know, you know what I I bet you the
second one is going to release in theaters and the

(08:39):
streaming rights might go straight to Netflix afterwards. And then
I would imagine if this, if the contract was written
for one movie, Uh, then I would imagine that it's
going to get redone. Uh and and so I imagine
that Sony's gonna, you know, make a good amount of

(09:00):
money back for the first movie.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But uh, let me.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Actually, this one says Sony owns the complete IP rights to.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
K POB Team and Hunter.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, I don't think that this is going to work
out very well for Oh dear lord.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
They it's the business side of Sony and the creative
side of Sony are on two opposite ends of the spectrum, now,
isn't it's And this was reported by The Rap about
a month ago, which, man, yeah, this is the This
might be the biggest fumble of all time.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, it's it's It's It's crazy when you look at it,
because especially like this weekend was supposed to be one
of the slow is probably one of the slowest weekends
of the summer. It was set to be a sixty
million dollar weekend until K pop Demon Hunter showed up,
and then it became a seventy nine million dollar weekend.
And again if if you include AMC. If AMC got

(10:10):
into the fold on this, it would be probably a
ridiculous amount of numbers. At this point.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Conservatively, you'd probably say, if it's a nineteen million without AMC,
you're probably looking at Conservatively, you're probably looking at a
range from thirty.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
To forty one hundred percent. Yeah, I agree with that
one hundred percent. What's weird. The other angle that's weird
to this is that Netflix. This is from Deadline and
from the Hollywood Reporter. Netflix kept quiet all weekend about
the numbers, which is very odd given how they provided
guidance when they had the limited Thanksgiving play of Ryan
Johnson's Glass Onion, which did fifteen million in its first

(10:48):
week at six hundred and ninety six hundred and ninety
six sites. So it's weird that Netflix has kind of
kept mum about all these numbers and everything. The only
thing they've talked about is the single long version, which
is available right now on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Why do you think that's the case.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I don't. That's what I'm confused by. I would have
you know you're winning the weekend. Obviously you're winning the weekend.
Why would you not say more about winning the weekend?
Why is it not like Forefront? Because this feels like
a huge thing to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I would imagine, Yeah, do you think without before it released,
you would you have guessed that they would have won
the weekend?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I would say no, but I would have said it
wouldn't It wouldn't be It wouldn't have been that surprising
if they didn't win the weekend. Yeah, what I mean, like, yeah,
like I could see it doing numbers, but you know,
Weapons released not that long ago, you know, and so
like you know, there's still some other movies with a
little bit legs. It wouldn't I would have said, I

(12:01):
would have said no, but it would not surprise me
if they did win the weekend. And but the thing is, though,
like they like they edged I wouldn't say they edged
out the weekend. It was you know, I would imagine
like in football terms, they probably won by a touchdown, Yeah,
because they beat Weapons by a little under three million dollars,

(12:23):
which I you know, it's it's at a landslide victory,
which is it's you know, it's a clear victory. But like, yeah,
I mean, it wouldn't have surprised me if they didn't win,
but like, like, it's not surprising that they did.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
No. I agree with that too, because when you look
at you know, Weapons is in its third week of release,
so it would make sense that it would have a
lower weekend around fifteen or something like that. The two
biggest titles that were releasing this weekend were Niejah two
for American audiences, which is huge overseas but not huge here.

(12:57):
I don't know what the numbers were for Niejah two here,
but I you know, i'd assume it was maybe top
ten if that, and Honey Don't, which is a Cohen
one of the Cohen Brothers film with Chris Evans and
Aubrey Plaza and Margaret Margaret Quality, which is a okay
reviewed movie so far, but it's not necessarily going to

(13:19):
light up the box office. It's one of those more
like subdued type five million, ten million, you know, box
office number type film. So when you talk about K
pop Demon Hunters in a single long version, it probably
like looking at the Tale of the Tape, it probably
would make sense that it's like, yeah, they could win

(13:39):
this weekend. The only question would be Weapons, because Weapons
has such a strong word of mouth to this point,
and it's getting rave reviews from everyone.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm looking at weapons.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
They Yeah, they first weekend forty three point eight percent
drop the first weekend, and another thirty six, which is
in like, you know, it's not terrible, it's not over
fifty percent. Yeah, I would imagine that it's gonna have
some legs on it still going forward, and we're probably
looking at a domestic finish close to one fifty. Maybe

(14:15):
they're at once, they're at close to one sixteen. Now
I guess this all depends on how long it's gonna
they're gonna keep it in theaters. One fifty might be
a little ambitious. Uh, maybe like one thirty five, which
is you know, really really good.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
For a horror movie of this of this nature. Yeah,
it's very very good.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, it's something that's on my list to watch. Same,
uh for sure. Uh but yeah, yeah with with K
Pop Dooman Hunters, like nothing, nothing they.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Do at this point is going to surprise me one bit.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, not at this point. And again I can only
imagine if this had a stronger release skeed, like not
stronger release schedule, but a wider release schedule. Or a
longer release schedule. I can only imagine what kind of
numbers it could pull in because it is just one
it's quality. It's a very good movie that has really

(15:11):
catchy songs that work not just for the catchiness of
them and the quality of the songs, but work for
the story. And it's just it's a well done, very
well done movie that I think a lot of people
are enjoying. It's the Is it crazy to say movie
of the Summer? I mean, I know we have like
Fantastic Four and all that and Superman, but it feels

(15:34):
like with what K pop Demon Hunters is doing, both
with streaming, with now theaters and with Billboard charts, it's
dominating in different cycles across media right now.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, I mean I would say you're probably looking at
movie of the year.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Mean do you do we even do Album of the Year.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I mean, there there has been big albums by pop
stars this year, but it's what's crazy to me is
like this is a fictional girl K pop group and
it's absolutely dominating, you know, our pop culture and to
even have a discussion of it being album of the

(16:26):
years is insane to me. Like there when they get
nominated for Oscars. It's the talk is going to be
all around, Uh, at least their category is all you know,
there's I don't know if there is ever going to
be a favorite for an award then whatever they're going

(16:47):
to get nominated for, so the best original MUTI like,
I just it's going to shock me if they lose,
and the it's that's going to even even further the
it's going to rejuvenize the legs that this thing has
and then you're probably going to see another spike in

(17:07):
viewership when the Oscar nominations come out too. Yeah it's yeah,
I fully agree with that sentiment, like it is the
movie of the year just because of you know, the
domination of the pop culture scene and coupled that with
the quote underperformance of some of the bigger movies this year. Yeah,

(17:30):
I would definitely agree with that sentiment.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Now we'll talk a little bit about what could be
the movie of the year next year, but seemingly some
beef on the set of that one here in a minute.
But first and plus we'll get to Alien Earth and
the first episode of Peacemaker. We both have gotten to
see both of those episodes, so we'll talk more spoilers
about that here in second, but you can follow us

(17:54):
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Wednesday nights at nine pm, and that's going to be

(18:21):
for the duration of the fall due to the Texas
A and M Coaches Show, So Wednesday nights at nine pm. Now,
before we get to Alien Earth, before we get to Peacemaker,
you were telling me about something that I had completely
missed and that they're seemingly beef on the doomsday set

(18:42):
according to rumors and speculation.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, I've tried to stay away from especially talking on
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, in real life, it's a it's a completely
different thing.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's like a you know, oh my god, the rumor
meal kind of thing is like it's it's fun to
kind of just talk and speculate about. But anyway, Apparently,
according to multiple sources, there has been some friction on
set of Avengers Doomsday. And when I first saw this,

(19:20):
I immediately go, it has to be Ryan Reynolds and
somebody like Robert Downey Jr. And as it's played out
over the last week or two, I think it's been
it's been about a week less than a week, people
have been saying it's Robert Denny Jr.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And Ryan Reynolds, and that.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Disney is reshooting a lot of these scenes separately so
they don't have to be in the same room together.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
And it.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Does not surprise me one bit that this is going on.
And I've seen so many.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Videos about like just just the nature.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Of Ryan Reynolds and the toxics city behind the man
in some of his movies, and you know, obviously the
stuff that happened with his wife like Lively and just
In Baldoni and how that even you know, went into
Deadpool and Wolverine, and yeah, I mean, if you guys
don't know any about anything about that, you know, go

(20:24):
down a rabbit hole of TikTok videos.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Ryan Reynolds been I mean, it's been pretty well known
that he sometimes doesn't get along with his cogers and.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
They Blade being in one of them with Wesley Snipes.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, everybody kind of thinking, you.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Know, yeah, everybody thinking Wesley Snipes is the diva. But
you just take you you kind of extrapolate this over
the career of Ryan Reynolds after Blade Trinity. There's a
pattern of just him wanting to be in control of
every everything and dominating everything and how the the you know,

(21:05):
even just getting Deadpoole the quote leak out there like
that was just that's the power move for environmentals because
the studio said no, and he just did it anyway,
which you know, for most fans of you know, of
of the of the character and movie, we're you know,
kind of glad that he did.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
But it's just a pattern.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Of uh wanting to control and and and then after
the first dead Pole movie was a huge success, the
weird reason of recasting and and just and just getting
a new director and kicking you know, him out and
wanting to have full control of the movie.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know, obviously it's a little uh little.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, red Flag, and then having a falling out
with the actress that plays Vanessa. Uh, let me, I
forget her.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Name, Oh, Marana Marina and background.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, and they had a falling out.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I didn't realize that, dude.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
You look at any of the press tours, uh, and
the movie Deadpool and Wolverine itself, allegedly most of her
scenes that she shot completely written out are cut whoa. Yeah,
and she was going into I think, going into the franchise,

(22:26):
she was supposed to have a big role because in
the comics she plays copycat and we got absolutely no
like character.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Development from her.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
And then the rumor was like something happened on set
and he just cut her out of the almost the
entire movie of Deadpool and Wolverine, and uh that. Yeah,
she was very absent for the press tour and stuff
like that. So there is that, And then now.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's okay. Now I'm saying it's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's easier to sweep a lot of this stuff under
the rug and play it off. But when you go
from a medium sized pool where you are the top dog,
the alpha male in every single thing you've done, and
now you're entering Olympic sized pools with Michael Phelps, who's

(23:20):
getting paid what sixty million dollars to do this movie, Yeah,
you don't mess with Robert Downey Jr. Like I seriously
don't understand how it again prefaces by saying it's just
a rumor.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
But when we watch, I guess we'll get a.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Very clear picture when we watch this movie of how
many scenes that they show them either standing next to
each other with the if it did look cgi or not,
or if they're talking to each other, but it's like
cut weird. I guess we'll see. And I would imagine
through through this time, well more and more stuff is

(24:05):
gonna come out. But like the rumor is like he
just he just irritated Robert Downey Jr. And I I
just don't understand how you can do something like that
and not understand who this person is to both Hollywood,
to the fan base, which right now the fan base
really does not like you, uh, and to just it's

(24:30):
literally Robert Downey Junior's baby and Kevin Feige's and Jon
Favreau's baby, like the MCU is and it's like flourishing,
or it was flourishing, and you just can't come in
and just pee on everything.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Just I don't, I don't, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Wow, Yeah, I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And then like, I think this speculat there's a speculation article.
It says there's a quote saying we had it. We
wanted him to do a cameo. We had written in
that scene to start with happy and and Downey. I
guess this is for Deadpool and Woverine Warnick noted, behind
the scenes, we didn't know about doctor Doom and there
was no way he was going to do both. And

(25:08):
then uh, and then we said, oh, Downey doesn't say
no to Ryan, does he? No, one says no to Ryan,
and Ryan gave him a heart, gave him, gave him
hard press. We wrote scenes, Downey read the scenes. But
when what we didn't know was behind the scene was
the whole Doom thing. The writer said that the original
scene planned for Downey and favreauv and Reynolds was actually
pretty close to the scene that audience is saw in
the theater. And I'm guessing it's just said he just

(25:30):
told uh, he just said no to Ryan Reynolds. I
guess someone speculating the problem between the two started when
our DJ said no.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
To Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Interesting, Yeah, I don't know. And there's another source.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
There's another story, another source saying that there, uh, this
is an all fabrication. There's no uh, there's no fight
between the two. So again, it's fun speculating. It's fun,
but it's a speculation between the two of them.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
But yeah, and and couple.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I think the fact that, you know, kiss Robert Downey
and Scarlett Johanson are really good friends. And Scarlett Johansen
obviously does not like Ryan Renolds because they you know,
she got cheated on by Ryan Reynolds with like Lively.
So yeah, it's a it's a it's a whole it's
a whole mess. But I don't want to spend too
much on it because you know, it's obviously just a rumor.

(26:21):
But but yeah, something to because it is.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
All over social media. So if you're following this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Man, the hot goss on the doomsday set right now
is wild. You know what's what's a mess right now
is I was going to try and come up with
a transition. Oh you know what. You know what's a
mess right now is Wendy's mind state on alien Earth.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Ah, I thought you were gonna say, well, you know
what as a mess alien Earth? And I'm like, I
don't know if I'm I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
There no not a mess, but maybe Wendy's mind state
because she's got problems. Right now, we're gonna get into
episode three of Alien Earth. Now, of course, if you
haven't watched episode three of Alien Earth, maybe skip ahead
to the Peacemaker talk or if you haven't watched Peacemaker,
skip ahead because we're spoilers the rest of the way through.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Starting with Alien Earth, though episode three titled Metamorphosis, there's
a lot of directions I want to start with, like
like the Windy aspect, like the Moro aspect, But I
do want to start off with something that I meant
to mention last week, and it's a subtle thing. It's
not a big deal. But one of the things that

(27:47):
I really enjoy about Alien Earth that they do so
for that I feel is very unique, is how they
handle their previously on where there is not really any dialogue.
It's just brief glimpses of the previous episode or episodes
and the title is slowly filling out on the screen,

(28:10):
and I just I don't know that subtle thing just
is such a tone setter for the episode and for
the show that I really like how it's done, as
well as again the music and the sound design. The
creature's chittering is so weird and so well done. But
it's again those details that I think really shine in

(28:30):
Alien Earth, and I just I wanted to praise that
because it's something that's been on my mind since last week.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, I think I mentioned this last week, Like the.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Things that this show, at least when I was talking
about last week through two episodes, what they've done so
so well is just everything outside of the obvious stuff,
you know, sound design, just the prosthetics and everything looked
just amazing. And there's a lot of times where you

(29:03):
can tell how good a show is going to kind
of be when you take a look at the details
in things and when you look at it, because they've
when they when you look at a an ip or
at least somebody a work of a director or a
work of a producer or something. When somebody pays attention

(29:27):
to the details, then you absolutely know that this is
going to be very very good for the most part,
very very good. And this show pays attention to the
details that are you know, like you said, the sound design,
just the way that this little ticks and just little
small little things that you know, add a lot of

(29:49):
value to a show like this. And if you you know,
I don't know if you do, if you if if
it was removed from the show, would they may plot change? No,
But it's like going from a mom and pop small
restaurant to.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
A fine diying michelinstall restaurant.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
The foods maybe cook the same, but the attention to
detail are a lot, you know, it's a lot different,
and that's what makes elevates things. And I think this
is the small little details that they pay attention to
in this show is elevating this show.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, I think it's it's such a well thought out
in that way. Like if I recommend this for people
if they get a chance to or have a way
to watch like Alien Earth with headphones, because again, the
sound design when you get to Wendy hearing all the
creatures chittering and her connection with the aliens in some

(30:48):
unreal fashion, the sound design of how the creatures are
chittering and going from your left channel right channel. You know,
if you have a surround sound system you could probably
hear this as well. But if you have a way
to listen to it in headphones. It's it. It adds
a layer of oh snap, this is crazy, how they
how they did this? But it's well thought out, it's

(31:09):
it's impactful and it's insightful, and it just adds layers
that you know, some shows obviously do that, but like
you mentioned, it's the details that can make a show
stand out. Another show that I'm watching right now that
I'm like, I'm I don't love it necessarily, but I

(31:30):
don't hate it is Countdown on Prime Video with Jensen
Ackles Eckles Ackles. That show is fine. It's fine, but
it has a like formula to it where it's like
they go investigate, they go to the person, the person

(31:52):
runs like it's it's very like the same thing over
and over again, just in different places, are in different ways.
It's a weirdly it's a weirdly paced show in some respects,
but it's okay for the most part. Whereas this one,
you there is purpose between everything. There is purpose and

(32:14):
meaning in every moment, and I just really love how
they how they do that. And now you're introducing this
mystery of how Wendy is connected to the aliens in
some way, you know she was hearing the creatures earlier
on and I guess she's hearing the face huggers. I
don't really know, but I don't. It's just a fascinating

(32:35):
aspect that they've now tied into Wendy seemingly being tied
to the aliens in some way.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, that's gonna be fascinating because you do it if
she is actually tied to them, because it almost feels
like every everything that happens to you know, whatever is happening,
is like happening to her. You know, if there's a
if there's some kind of tie to to the alien aliens,

(33:06):
then you actually obviously you know, created a synthetic human
being that is gonna be maybe on the other side
of this, and now you have another force to deal with.
And it almost and it feels like they don't understand
how dangerous some of these specimen are on the ship.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
No no idea.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, I just I don't like they just kind of like, oh, yeah,
just you know, bring them back and we'll run tests
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Go in there. You're not human going there, and uh
you run.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Some of these tests and and uh, he's just kind
of like, uh, yeah, it's just like you don't understand
the danger of what you're putting me in.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Right, it's the I don't know if it's a quote exactly,
but what is it? The hubrist of man thinking like
a controlled nature through these technical Like Boy Kevalier is
just operating on a as they say in the episode,
oh it's a new shiny thing, and he's just seeing
dollar amounts and new things when he literally has created

(34:08):
these hybrid synthetics with kid minds in him that possibly
have have are the gateway to immortality in some way.
But then he sees aliens and he's all about the
aliens now and he just doesn't care. Like it's just
so crazy how people operate, but that's that's how a

(34:28):
lot of them do, right, Like, that's that's what especially
when you talk about a tech oligarch with Boy Cavalier,
he's off to the new shiny thing.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, it's like a you know, the squirrel situation where
you're talking and talking and talking, oh squirrel. Yeah, you
get distracted by, like you said, the big new shiny thing.
Yeah it's and then obviously when you're dealing with billions
of trillions of dollars and you're you're also dealing with

(35:00):
with you know, you're dealing with something that's not from here. Uh,
then you're obviously dealing with dangers that you are you
don't know. And he's just telling Chris to hey, like,
you know, go in there and and do your thing
and and tell us what it is, and you're just

(35:20):
kinda he was just kind of sitting there like, Yeah,
this is uh.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
This is not a good idea. You're not human.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It's not going to attack you, which I don't know
if that's the case, because it wasn't Morrow getting I
don't remember, it wasn't Morrow, kind of like uh getting
stocked by one of them.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Morrow, Yeah, Somorrow. He's still partially organic, He's that's right,
he's he's got the cyborg parts, so he's what is
he He's got the worst parts of a man, and
so he could still be taken over by like a
face hugger or something like that, so he can't be
necessarily around them. But still the itentical monster thing went

(36:04):
after NIBBs, and NIBBs is synthetic, So you don't know
what these creatures know and can do. Is The xeno
Vores seemed to not care as much about the synthetics
or not recognize them, at least the face huggers don't maybe,
but some of the other things they definitely do.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean there's a lot of territory, unknown territory that
well I would imagine address address over the next couple
of episodes, but no, I did that the show itself.
I didn't go in with a lot of expectations, but
it's it's been very, very good.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
The other thing too, with Boy Cavalier, I think he's
they've prodigy itself has created something that they don't really
understand fully with the hybrids, because I don't know if Wendy,
like you know, in the first couple of episodes whin,
they shows her how she's able to keep tabs on

(37:03):
her brother, how she's able to like basically just touch
screens and almost take them over right, And now she's
developed something new where she can hear the creatures chittering
to the point where it hurts her. And it looks
like she goes into the lab, but it seems like

(37:24):
all that was happening in her mind and she fell
in another spot. She didn't fall in the lab, she
fell somewhere else. Is how I was reading it. So
I don't know what's happening with Wendy. But I also
don't think boy Cavalier or any of them would know
because this has never been done before with a human
consciousness in a sense. So something is changing within Wendy

(37:47):
that we're just not understanding.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think any you know, like you said,
I don't think anybody wou would understand. And that's I
guess that foreign part of it is very scary, and
you know that connection with the aliens is it makes
it even even more scarier. And so like the end
that that the unknown is very, very frightful, Like it's

(38:10):
just just in general, like the unknown is very you know,
just in general, like having to not know about something
as human nature is very scary.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
And so that I, you.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Know, obviously Gary very Maybe we'll get a bigger backstory
on on Wendy and and see where her family and
even if her brother may have some ties to this.
I yeah, I I think we'll get an explanation. And
I don't know if it's going to be an explanation
that is gonna make us feel better about Wendy.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
No, it's probably not. It's probably not gonna be a
good It's probably gonna be something horrible for for this kid,
this poor child and her brother because now obviously both
of them are under the care well there, the whole
city is under the care of Prodigy at this point,
and now her brother, Joe is at the same facility

(39:06):
at this Neverland. We see her being worked on, and
then of course she has her freak out with the
creatures at the end. Well, we also see that they're
working on Joe, her brother. At the end of the episode.
They've taken out his lung and have now are conducting
an experiment with a face hugger tadpole, which is disgusting

(39:29):
now that I know, But now they're they've injected I
don't know, I should have seen it coming, and I
guess I saw it in the moment, like but I
still gasp, like when the little thing went into the lung, like,
oh no, this is this is gonna be this is
gonna end poorly, this is gonna be bad. But uh yeah,
that was just what else are they gonna do to

(39:50):
Joe and possibly experimenting with him? Because like him and
Wendy and most everyone that works for Prodigy, they they
don't just work for them. They're her property of Prodigy.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah. Do you think they put that lung back in him?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I wouldn't be shocked if they did.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
And eventually at the end of the end of the
season he made he probably dies, probably, and this could
turn Wendy to the other side.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
M yeah, you like shake her out of serving prodigy
with no questions asked?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. I mean I guess this
is a way that this could go. But I guess
the bigger question and maybe that's more of a secondary storyline,
but I think the more immediate the threat is, like
we want to answer it is how is she tied
to the aliens?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes? How is that tied? And what is what is
happening there? Before we completely move off of Wendy and Joe,
what did you think of the the opening sequence of
them against this xenomorph one? One person that I follow
Cinematic Sarcastic podcast was was kind of annoyed because it
felt like, oh, plot armor for these two characters. But

(41:09):
I also don't think that these two characters are going
to be completely plot plot armored up, because, like you said,
I think Joe is probably gonna die. But before the
end of this, Yes, he did survive the Xenomorph attack barely,
but still, I think humans are going to mess that

(41:30):
dude up more than the actual Xenomorph by the end
of the day. But what do you think of the
the opening sequence with them against the Xenomorph.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Uh, I mean I didn't have a I didn't. I don't.
I don't know. Maybe I didn't have a big problem
with it.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah I did. I thought it was fine.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean I thought it was fine. I mean
I think most of these people are going.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
To die anyway, right, uh, you know, including the including
the sense. So like I think by the end of it,
we may have one other synth with Wendy and which
I would you know, taking a look at it, I
taking a look at the just the people, and like
how much screen time people get. I honestly think it

(42:10):
might be just Morrow and Wendy left at the end. Yeah,
I I imagine Kurseh is gonna end up, you know,
biting it because he may be protecting Wendy. And I
imagine boy Cavalier is gonna die just because of the Hubers.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yes, his ego is gonna get him killed. Uh. And
and maybe one of the last.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
One the ones to go is maybe uh nips nips
the female one. Yeah, I I don't see many of
them surviving, So I just I don't have uh, you know,
the open, the beginning opening of the show, like it
doesn't bother me, Like it's just yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But I don't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't make
a big hoop out of it. No, or I didn't.
It didn't I didn't go why or I didn't Like
I don't know. Maybe maybe I didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I wasn't paying attention as much as they did, or
watch it twice, but I was just like I didn't
have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
No, I thought it was fine. I mean, I think
Xeno Moore. I was trying to remember if xeno Morphs
have set traps before, and I believe they have, So
I just I find it interesting how the Xenomorphs operate
because they are like ultimate killing machine type things that
are willing to do whatever to survive or fight or

(43:33):
whatever the case may be. Because I didn't realize it
until the second watch that the xeno morph bit off
its own second mouth to Yea to start going at Wendy.
Once they got behind that wall, like that didn't didn't
click for me. And one thing I found interesting that
I didn't catch on the watch, but I was listening
to the the FX's podcast about about Alien Earth and

(43:57):
Alex Loth who plays Joe. It a point too of
when he would say Wendy versus when he would say Marcy,
which is of course her real name before she went
through the change, and how he's fighting with the view
of that's not really my sister, but that is my sister,
and when things are dire and in dire straits, he

(44:19):
does revert to Marcy, and I found that I found
that interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I imagined he would call.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Or the Wendy name will be used just to kind
of maybe like a surfaceletle thing, and then Marcy's gonna
be the one that you say that name to kind
of really grab her attention and talk to the actual
child behind the synth. So yeah, there's a big distinction
between the two, and I you know, I would imagine people.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Get that and as much as that has a distinction
and strong attention grab her. Babousisa, who plays Moro to me,
stole the episode. I thought he was absolutely phenomenal from
the scene with I think it's sme and slightly where
he's realizing, wait a minute, what do these synths think
they have parents? And asking them when is a machine

(45:12):
not a machine? And him getting the data downloaded as
as he's talking to them was just intense. And you
you know, we talked about it last week where he
felt more robotic than the sense do right, because he's
sole focused, because he's of his his drive and you
get a better understanding of this episode of what's driving him.

(45:33):
You know, he's been on this mission for sixty five years.
Everyone he knows is dead and he's thinking of this
as his life's work now, so this would be his
sole focus. And I texted you I forget it when
it was, but it was like it just hit me, Oh,
he's Captain Hook. If we're talking about this this peter
pan and metaphor analogy, whatever you want to call it,

(45:56):
that the show is going with where he similar to
how like Hook is obsessed with the crocodile and all that,
He's obsessed with these creatures and is going to do
whatever it takes to get him back to wailan Utani.
And that's terrifying in some ways, and it's I don't know,
it's just it's allowing him to do probably terrible things.

(46:17):
Well we've seen he's been able to do terrible things
all for the sake of this mission.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, I mean the way that he was talking about
like uh, you know, having you know, the loved ones
and whatnot, Like it's just it's uh, you know as
tragic because you know, like you said, he hasn't been
on earth for sixty five years and everybody that he
has known is is absolutely you know, is gone. So
there's no really point he has no connection to uh,

(46:45):
to to earth and soul for like you like, I
feel like I'm parroting everything you said. But his whole
you know, focus is is uh is whatever he's doing,
and it's, uh, there's a lot of tragedy in that,
and I and I don't think it's you know, he's
not saying this to build up empathy towards him, but

(47:07):
he's just you know, just kind of stating some facts
where it's just like, you know, none of you guys
really matter to me. The only soul thing that you
know matters to me is to get you know, whatever
I'm you know, whatever my mission is is completed. And
that's you know, that's just what I'm going to do.
And there's no you're not going to sway him this

(47:28):
way or that way, especially emotionally, because it's like there's
no emotional ties for him at all. This is not
the place that he left, you know, a lifetime ago, right.
Everybody he's loved or cared about.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Is long gone.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
So yeah, yeah, he's, like you said, very robotic. He's
more robot than they are.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And what's what's interesting is if you do the math
on it, the mission was sixty five years of you
subtract that from twenty one to twenty, which is where
we're at. That puts it at twenty fifty five, and
he's probably thirties forties, you would say, Right, so you're
looking at somebody that's born like right now. That's insane

(48:15):
to me when you think about it, and especially with
his enhancements and things like that. When he left Earth,
and he points this out on the on the official
podcast as well, when he left Earth, he's probably super advanced,
but when he gets back to Earth, he's not advanced,
like these synths and everything. He's he's I Like how

(48:36):
he put it, he was a iPhone one when he
left but now there's like iPhone twenties when he gets back,
and so he's maybe he's feeling a little what's the word,
you know, just lesser than when it comes to some
of these other technical marvels that is. And I wonder
if there is going to be an ulterior motive here

(48:59):
with not only just the aliens, but also with getting
himself upgraded, because now understanding the possibility with the hybrids,
does he try and pursue that angle as well to really, like,
I don't know, get the ultimate upgrade if you will.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, it's I think kind of like a murder Bot
where Alexander Scarsguard's character is like outdated. There's so many
shinier models out there, and he's just kind of like,
you know, he's just gonna sit in there and he's like,
I'm an older one and you know, they're probably gonna
trash me whenever, you know, when it comes time. And

(49:36):
I imagine when he landed, when mar landed, he was
just kind of like, yeah, lots changed, Yeah, I need
a software update, not you know, it's one of those
things where the software update is incompatible because his hardware
is too. And imagine that's kind of like these case here

(49:59):
where you just can't get a software update because all
of his hardware is just is not.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Up to date.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
And he's also in an unknown world because it seems
like Prodigy started after he left, so he's an unknown territory.
Which little thing that they do in the episode that
I thought is kind of terrifying is when he is
walking around the city New Siam, I believe is the
city name. They're just playing Prodigy is the Future? Prodigy?

(50:30):
Is this just over loud speakers as people are just
going about their daily life, so they're getting this message
day in and day out. That's frightening to me. It's
a subtle thing, but it's a frightening aspect of this dark,
dark future, dystopian future where companies rule all.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I imagine it's been maybe less than a decade where
maybe some of this stuff kind of started to take place,
where the Oligar are basically taking over the entire world.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Uh, maybe I'm maybe even longer than that, but it's
just it doesn't feel.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I guess we haven't explored too much outside of Boy Cavalier,
and maybe I haven't. Maybe we will spend some time
amongst the people, because you know, if it's amongst the
people and it feels like if it feels more like cyberpunk,
or if it feels like, what's that one Uh, what's
that one movie with.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Uh Blade Runner?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, that Blade Runner.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
And uh that one movie where they're going they go
inside the video game I forget what it's called.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Ready Player one?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, ready Player one. If it feels like that, then
you know it's been a long time, right. If it
feels like one of those, it will feel like it's
a very very long time. I guess we'll we'll get
a better understanding of how long as the as the
episode is gonna play out.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
But yeah, I I you know, having.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
That messaging of you know, we're the future, that kind
of thing, it does lean into the fact that it hasn't.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Been that long, right, Yeah, it's it definitely does. And
it's just it's a dark aspect because you know, in
some respects it it feels like, oh, that would never happen.
But I've been saying that for the last few years,
and they're like, oh, that would never happen, and boy
do I keep being proven wrong at every moment.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So it go the other way, be like Hey, this
is already happening, and maybe maybe the luck will will
strike us and I'll go the other way.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, I gotta start saying that, because right now everything
I'm like that would never happen, it's happening. So yeah,
but yeah, I love where the show's going, and no,
Holly well done. I mean, I think this is a
phenomenal show so far, and I'm really invested into the
different like mysteries and things that it's setting up. And
where's kersh at with with this? Because you know, he

(52:49):
thinks this is all stupid what they're doing. Yeah, does
he maybe unleash these things on Prodigy? I wonder if
that could be a something here where he thinks it's
this is stupid and let the humans die sort of thing.
I don't know, but I'm really excited to see where
the episode goes. Of course, we're recording this on Monday,

(53:10):
August twenty fifth, the day before episode four drops, so
we'll see sooner rather than later.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yes, and then we'll talk about tomorrow's Tonight's episode next week.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
So yeah, but any other points on Alien Earth before
we move on to Peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
No, no, no, no, it's a good show.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I didn't know what to expent going in, and it's
met or exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Same. Yeah, it's it's been good so far and I'm
excited to see where it goes. I'm also excited to
see where Peacemaker goes. Which it's Season two premiered last Thursday,
and similar to how I started Alien Earth, I want
to start with the previously on, where we were able

(54:00):
to not only understand what happened from season one because
it's been a long time since we've seen season one,
but also we get some retconning, and the biggest one
being the Justice Gang now being part of the season
one lower and I think James Gunn said something he
wants to George Lucas this ish as if he had

(54:21):
the money, because he would to make it more feel
more connected to the DCU. Of course, anything that was
shown in that previously on is canon, which it seems
like a good portion of that of season one is
canon to what's happened because they do reference different moments
that happened throughout and of course the whole Butterfly angle,

(54:42):
the Alien angle, save in the world this and that
it seems like the biggest ret con is the Justice
League showing up. What'd you think of Justice Gang being
ret conned into it?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I chuckled.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I think that, I mean, and then you take a
look at it and you're like, okay, well it makes
sense if these were shot very close to each other
and you had Nathan Fillion and you had Isabella Mer
said on set, you could you obviously do that, and
they were, you know, part of dialogue, right, and you
know that's probably not Superman and mister Trifica up there,

(55:18):
and that's probably not super Girl like the the actors.
But yeah, I uh, the biggest surprise was, uh Supergirl
up there? Uh what's I forget her name? Yeah, yeah, million,
I'll cock. I'm surprised that she was up there. But
you know, if it's you know, three years since Superman
was Superman, and it you know makes sense, uh that

(55:40):
you could you could include her, and you know, obviously
coming in Superman the movie, she was coming back, so uh,
it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
But yeah, I I I chuckled at it. And I you.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Know, when I played the when I started the shows, like,
I wonder how long they're going to spend on uh
trying to recon you know what I thought they were
going to do I thought they were going to reccon
it by and and he's done.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
He did this in the episode.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
He opened obviously opened the door to a different pocket,
you know, different universe. I thought that's how he was
gonna they were gonna recon it was he was going
to go into one of these universes and he was
going to just be He was just going to replace
Peacemaker in that universe, and that was going to be
the new DCU version of Peacemaker. That's how I thought
it was going to play out. But no, it didn't

(56:30):
play out that way. It just took one scene to
redcontent and like you said, James Gunn came out and
said he'd have the money to do it. So, uh,
this is the this is a comic book logic in
the sense, Yeah, easy, easy retcon.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah. Super Girl to me was also the most surprising,
just because of where we see her at and Superman
and all that, and a little bit with super Like
I thought it would just be the Justice Gang of
Mister Terrific, Guy Gardner's Green Lantern and then Hawk Girl.
I didn't think it would be Superman a Supergirl. Th
I was like Oh okay, they're both in here too,
so interesting. I appreciate that. I also appreciate that one

(57:10):
of the previously on parts was a deleted scene that
didn't happen in season one, and it's John Cena making
a joke about green Lantern that becoming now canon to
the DCU. I found that out after the fact, but
I thought that was funny.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah, I mean I thought the opening episode was great. Yeah,
you know, with the with the digs at thirty seconds
somers and the references to like this and just the
pocket alternate alternate universes.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
It was a very very good, strong episode, including you know,
the red colonning of things, and you know, Nathan Fillion
and Isabellahmer said making multiple appearances.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Uh, yeah, it was. It was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, it's and it's it's an interesting place to find
all these characters in because, for one, Peacemaker is different
from the Peacemaker that what we saw in season one.
You know, he's gone through major changes. He is more
in touch with his feelings to the point of he
is feeling sad as he gets his rainy bag of

(58:21):
cocaine out for a rainy day. He is in a
sad spot. Harcourt is in a sad spot with needing
to feel something by just getting into bar fights. The
one that feels like she's doing the best even though
it's a horrible situation is at a Bio, who's, as
John Economist says, is living in the worst level of

(58:42):
grand theft Auto. It's such a great line, but she's
making the best of it. She seems the happiest of
the bunch, even though she lost her her her significant other,
Kia Kia's I think it's her name, I forget exactly,
But at a Bio's in a not great place but
making the most of it. But you see the parallels

(59:04):
between Peacemaker and Harcourt where they're both trying to feel
something and they use Hardcourt's using violence, he's using drugs.
And now the one of the other doors in the
unfolding quantum unfolding chamber.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, and along with those drugs a massive boy the
boys style orgy without the you know, super superhuman penises
and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
But that was pretty graphic.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I saw I saw somebody leave a review and said,
uh half gave a half a star and said, so
porn is family friendly.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Content now shaman all of you.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Somebody quote somebody uh tweeted tweeted back, saying the hilarious
thing about audience review is a peace maker. Season two
family friendly quote family friendly friendly? Like, bro, did you
watch seasons Yeah, it's uh, yeah, it's all of it's
great and some of the meta the meta stuff that
played into it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
James Gunn used to be married to Jenna Fisher, I think,
and then now Jenna Jenni Fisher's ex boyfriend from the
Office is now playing his brother David Demon he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
He oh yeah the Office.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, so there's a lot of meta stuff going around,
going around. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And then I don't know what the disdain of thirty
seconds to Mars and James Gunn is, but it's I'm
all for it because you know, Jared Leto allegedly is
a very awful human being.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
But yeah, all of it is so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Like I, I do understand why they release Superman to
digital and to uh on demand very quickly is because obviously,
if you want this show to succeed, people are gonna
have to you know, obviously gonna I think having watched
Superman and then watching this makes this more make a

(01:00:59):
lot more sense. You understand who some of these characters
are now in Peacemaker, which maybe, in hindsight maybe pushed
Peacemaker back until you know, I don't know October November.
But and I don't know how easy that is to
push it back with it, you know, especially when you're
dealing with streaming service that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Needs a hit, right. But yeah, I understand that aspect
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
But yeah, I I at the beginning when this was announced,
I not season two, but it's just just the entire
just show. I don't think I would have sat there
and told you how I feel about it today, like
this is an amazing show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
This is great. It's one of the biggest surprises I
think to date over our podcast. I think, at least
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
At least to me, it's one of the bigger, bigger
surprises because you know, people are raving about it, especially
after one episode, and I think people that have seen
multiple episodes are saying home is yeah, I might do
one of those rare things where season two is better
than season one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah. I think James Gunn was talking about it on
the official Peacemaker podcast, how he he obviously he liked
what he did with season one, but he likes this
one even more with how he's able to you know, again,
James gun is very talented in terms of how he
weaves in to just absurd with the more emotional moments.

(01:02:27):
And we get the absurdity with like the orgy and everything,
but we get the more emotional moments when Chris Peacemaker
goes into the other dimension where his dad is seemingly
a decent person, his brother Keith is alive, and you
see John Cena's performance when he's just looking around, just

(01:02:48):
marveling at this situation, and then when both of them
leave the room, he just breaks down and cries like
that is not the Peacemaker we would have seen in
season one, but now we're seeing that and what this
all mean means for him, and you know, again, he
as absurded as it is of what like the brother
and father are talking about when they talk about the

(01:03:10):
imps and going into the Munchkin universe and all that
to then having that moment what little things like Robert
Patrick's character touching John Cena's ear, which was an impromptu moment,
but it added like a level of heart and emotion
for a dad loving his son and we didn't see

(01:03:30):
that with the other version that we saw in season one.
This is a vastly different version that we're experiencing, and
it's just it's so well done and how it balances
those more emotional moments and even a thing like earlier
in the episode where Chris is on his way to
interview with the Justice Gang, we see White Rabbit come

(01:03:51):
out and just in a just upset and in a tiff,
and you're like, what's happening, And then just fast forward
a little bit later he's coming out in the same way.
Because just the skaning is absolutely brutal, but again it
weaves in the funny with the more emotional moments.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, and then whenever you you know whatever, we as
viewers over here, the Justice Skang talking about, you know, Chris,
I imagine that is doubly worse for somebody dressed up
in a bunny costume, which I think in the comics
ends up being a villain.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Yeah, how how long has this been broken? It's like,
I could I could do that, that thing about what
you said, how I'm not a good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He's like, what are you talking about? I heard it all.
He's like, can you hear me? Now yeah, what about
now yes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Damn it, uh uh yeah, that's uh, you know, the
small little yeah, the whole the whole episode is great.
I just love And then just the way that I
think the cameos of not the cameos just to guess,
the appearances with Hawk Girl and with with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Green Lantern was superb. Not too much, not too little.
It was on the on the nose. It was great. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Especially it makes sense with how season one ends with
Chris doing what he does to save the world from
the whole alien thing, it would make sense that he
would at least get an interview with whatever the big
group is at the time, and Justice Gang being that,
and he just wants to be a superhero at the
end of the day. But you murder people, Yeah, but
it's for a reason. Well who were the ones you

(01:05:37):
didn't murder for a reason? Well, you know, like it's
just I like that it's setting up just this simple thing.
I want to be a superhero. I want to be
like you guys. But still, after everything he did in
season one, he's still not viewed as that. He's still
viewed as a mercenary killer just I don't want to

(01:05:59):
say thug, but just a murder, right, Like he's still
viewed in a different light than even after saving the world.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, it's hard to go from what what he would
changed from what he was too obviously now and you know,
he's obviously making an effort to do it, but you
know you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's not gonna it's not gonna happen overnight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
And so this to change will happen, you know, And
and I think he wants to kind of happen, make
it happen overnight very quickly, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
It's just not going to work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Your perception of who you are has to change, uh,
and it's going to take time and a lot of trust.
It's you know, we you can it's hard to build
up good trust, but it's easy to tear it down
within with a single moment. You can take years to
build up trust for your audience. And this goes for

(01:06:57):
you know, anything, and one small mistake will you know,
come letely ruin you. And he's kind of doing the
opposite where he didn't build enough trust and he kind
of like you know, he was just guns blazing and
you know, shoot first and ask questions later and take orders.
And now he's trying to build up that trust, and
that's even infinitely harder than doing it the other way.

(01:07:19):
So yeah, it's gonna take a while, and it makes
sense that they don't want him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
And kind of going to what you're saying about trust
and everything, and with his changes, it's also like he
has changed and he is better, but he still has
a lot more work to do on himself, right because
you still look at his past and his background and everything.
He still has a lot of trauma from what's happened

(01:07:47):
to him over the years, from killing his brother when
he was young, killing his father, and now he's killed
himself so in another universe. So it's just there's a
lot of truma that needs to work out, and he's
now going to take what is probably the shortcut of

(01:08:07):
trying to be a superhero in a new world, and
that is being acting like the Chris that he killed,
acting like that Chris in that particular universe and living
out his fantasy life there. But it's not it's real,
but it's not real, and you know, obviously problems are
going to ensue from that and what he's doing hopping

(01:08:30):
around with dimensions, and it's interesting to see how the
unfolding quantum unfolding chamber. He's got neighbors in there, and
it's got just ninety nine different dimensions. Like it's just
a fascinating aspect. But he's gonna take the shortcut to
try and live out that fantasy, and it's it's just
gonna blow up in his face.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I'm sure, oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
And it kind of well, he blew up someone his face,
or he just killed one of his own. So yeah,
that's already one of those problems that he's gonna have
to to deal with is the seemingly ideal universe that

(01:09:09):
he wants, now what his to be. He's messed up
the perfect or at least in perception. The great father
that he never did had a brother that was killed,
is now alive in a different one, and he's still peacemaker.
Like that ideal situation that he wanted is now completely

(01:09:30):
you know, shattered, because he got into a fight with
his own and because he kept coming in and out
of that one, you know, he was bound to run
into his own. They get into a fight, and the
one that's in the perfect universe is now dead. Now
do there's I think the peacemaker. We know the thing
he's gonna do is just gonna go and replace the

(01:09:52):
other guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
I don't think that's how this is gonna go, because
I still if James Gunn goes to links to retcon
the first season, I think he'll ultimately go back to
his original universe and he'll work and for his character growth,
it's more it's, you know, obviously, much better for him

(01:10:16):
to deal with some of the tragedies and traumas that
he's dealt with in his own universe than to basically
cover up and mask the pain that he's going through
by replacing another version of himself in the Perfect Universe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Yeah, the Perfect Universe is just a small bandage on
his real, painful emotional problems, and he's got to work
those out with at a bio economists. I guess Vigilante.
Vigilante is just happy with Alphax. He's really got to
learn those al facts. It's just this is in his

(01:10:55):
own world. But Hardcourt especially, you know, there's something that's
happened between them on a out well I'm sure find
out later on in the season, but both of them
are in dark places, Hardcourt being in a dark place
of toxic masculinity.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah, that was on the nose, pretty funny, and we
saw that play out in the bar scene, and yeah,
she covered you know, the only thing that she you know,
feels is pain.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
She's a bit masochistic, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And then like obviously losing her job is something very traumatic,
and you know, because of what happened in season one,
she's not getting any opportunities with any other you know,
government organizations and not obviously going to do a number
on somebody that knows and and craves that structure and

(01:11:55):
the craves that you know, whatever that kind of work
did for her, it filled the a void and now
now it's just missing. And and every single one of
the characters that we've kind of grew with in the
in the first season, they're, like we were mentioning at
the very beginning, like they are all, you know, just

(01:12:17):
displaced and and kind of scattered, and they're all in
their own dealing with their own pain separately, and her
is more physical.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
You could see it, uh, and and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Or like you could the way that she she deals
with it is is you we could see it. And
so yeah, she's she's in a bad place and she
eventually got you know, the number the numbers game got
to her in that bar and she gets thrown out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
So but then that little smirk where she's laying on
the ground of like I got what I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yeah, yeah, she was probably like it's better than sex, probably,
And I imagine something is going to get them back together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I mean it has to write.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Oh yeah, maybe something that's gonna happen with Rick Flax Senior,
maybe because it seems like he's keeping big tabs on Peacemaker. Yeah,
and so something's gonna I would imagine they find out
that he's jumping universes and something's gonna happen and they're
going to get back together. So I would imagine that

(01:13:21):
maybe the way it goes, But I guess we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
And that's probably the strongest, one of the strongest connections
to Superman, right is obviously we see the reality failing
in those like last bits of Superman, and that's the
reasoning he's giving for watching Peacemaker. Obviously it's a more
personal reason because of what Peacemaker did to his son
and he knows it. So he's he's waiting for Peacemaker

(01:13:49):
to do something that he can really just pounce on,
He's going to go after this dude very very hard.
And now with these I guess second time that that
his dimensional rift thing is has has caught Argus's wind.
He's going to be in major, major trouble with Rick
Flax Senior and probably in a death dueling fight of

(01:14:11):
some kind or something like that, because I'm sure Rick
Flex Senior is motivated by a lot of revenge factors
and wanting to avenge his son for what Peacemaker did
to him way back when.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yeah, yeah, I I I think he'll have a bigger
role in the series. And I thought initially I thought
he was just gonna have a kind of kind of
a mining role.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Maybe uh, he'll.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Balloon up and he'll become kind of the main, main
antagonist to the piece, to our protagonists. It's just, uh,
you know, weird, I guess going. I mean, it's not
weird because it is. It's you know, the title of
it's but the but the traditional protagonist isn't like an
anti hero usually, so I imagine that, you know, Frank Grillo's character,

(01:14:58):
Rick Flax Senior is going to be the main antagonist
somehow in this season, especially this season. Yeah, I would
agree and do you think any appearance from one of
the Creature commandos or no.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I think there's a chance. I wouldn't be shocked if
the Bride pops up her she would be my main
pick for somebody. I don't think Doctor Fosphorus or anybody
like that. I would say the Bride possibly appears. Do
you think Superman possibly appears.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I don't think so. Maybe, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I mean I would, uh, I it wouldn't surprise me,
just because I know James.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
You know, James Gunn likes to, you know, sprinkle these
things in every you know now and then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
And I mean I didn't think that we'd get this
is you know, I didn't think we'd get Jason Momoa
and Ezra Miller. So it wouldn't be out of the
realm of possibility because the shoots would would have been
very close to to each other. And I imagine that
James Gunn would have liked to use the same sets

(01:16:06):
and would have been weird if David corn Sweat would
have been passing violin set. No, I think that it
could be a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I'd definitely say Bride pops up, and there's a
chance Superman pops up. I don't think Supergirl would pop
up because I would imagine she's off world at this point.
Could we see another appearance of Maxwell Lord and the
Justice Gang, maybe towards the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Probably, Yeah, I mean, I think that's more of a
possibility than David corn Sweat showing up. Yeah, I'm not
you know, I'm not gonna say that it's not gonna happen.
I I'll put it this way. I think David corn
Sweat showing up in Peacemaker season two is a more
likely scenario than Susan Sarandon's showing up in Alien Earth.

(01:16:59):
And I still think think there's a decent possibility that
she shows up somewhere, possibly at the end of season one,
because there's two years in between on the on the timeline,
there's two years in between this show and the first
Alien Movie. I know, the first Alien Movie takes place
in space, this takes place on Earth. I could see
some kind of connection between the two, and if you

(01:17:21):
wanted to, if you really wanted to tie the two together,
you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Her pop up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Sigourney Weaver, you mean right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Oh, I'm sorry, Susan Sarenon Sirgourney Weaver to another just
a different older actress.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
I thought I thought you were going the blue beetle
or out because she was Susan Saranda was a blue beetle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Any other thoughts on Peacemaker before we wrap up?

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
No, I mean I would I really want to know
what the beef is between him and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Thirty seconds to Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
I imagine he has something against Jared Leto, or this
is trying to make Jared Leto, Jared Leto, Jared Leto
himself an actual person in this DCU, which would kind
of take away the fact that he's joker. Maybe that's
kind of the connection there. I don't know, but I
kind of want to know what the beef is between

(01:18:17):
the two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Maybe just he knows of Jared Leto and just can't
stand him.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Maybe that could be just the thing, or he just
hates We kind of get a sense of James Gunn
and his music taste, which, by the way, I don't
like the intro as much as I did last season.
Maybe it'll grow on me, but initially I was like,
oh man, they changed it going into the season. I
kind of if I had to bet money on it,

(01:18:44):
I would have said they would change the intro, and
he did, but it just doesn't hit the same because
like when the intro happened, when we saw the intro
for the first time last season, it was an instant
Oh what a great intro. Yeah, and then like the music,
I don't know, like maybe a grow on me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah. He talked about that in the in the podcast
about you know, with the first season it was catching
everyone off guard right of like I haven't seen anybody
do an intro sequence quite like that, but then doing
it for season two, he wanted it to be different,
but at the same time, it's like, you know, people
are expecting it, so how do you how do you

(01:19:21):
top it? Can you top it? And this route I
think the song is supposed to tie more into the
emotional beats of the season, and it's supposed to be
more reflective of the journey that some of them are going. Well.
While I was in a similar spot of you though,
where I was like, man, I kind of like the
first seasons more and this one I think will grow

(01:19:42):
on me by the by the end of it. But yeah,
I found it interesting that I'm similar to you. I'm yeah,
like like season one is better.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm not mad at it. But maybe, like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
I think the music went, uh went well and it
was more catchy. But but yeah, but uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Back to the thirty seconds to Mars thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
I don't know if it's if it's one of those
things where he just doesn't like the music thirty seconds
to Mars because he just did joke. That joke came
up twice, once in the you know, regular episode and
once in the post credit, and it was like he
used the post credit to take another jab to Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I was like, that was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
That was very funny. I think, yeah, it's also it's
just musical taste. Thirty seconds to Mars doesn't match up
with that because I think Foxy Shazam is one of
the ones he really likes, and I forget what other
bands he's mentioned, but yeah, uh, James Gunn probably not
listening to thirty seconds to mar No, No, probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
I imagine that's not his taste.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
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