12 Months of Apple

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Peter (00:02):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of
the CompileSwift Podcast. Thisis a special one. We have
wrapped up a gift for you at theend of the year, which will be
some unwrapping. I know.
Tell us more about it, Geoff.How are you doing, buddy?

Geoff (00:16):
Hey. I'm doing pretty good. Yeah. It's the end of the
year. Like everybody else, wethought we'd do a kind of wrap
up of the year.
So we're gonna take kind of adeveloper focused, some personal
focused look back at 2024 andsee what did Apple do this year,
what did the 2 of us do thisyear, what did we, as the
podcast, do this year, and, justcover everything that happened

(00:38):
and, you know, go back over someof the things we might have
forgotten.

Peter (00:42):
Yeah. I mean, clearly, people are tuning in because
they care mostly about what wedid, but we'll cover some other
stuff.

Geoff (00:47):
We're we're gonna cover everything in the Apple
ecosystem, probably not too manythings outside of the Apple
ecosystem, but some of how itaffected us as well. So

Peter (00:56):
Yeah. We won't just Why don't we A spoiler alert,
though. We won't be breakingdown each of the beta releases
this year.

Geoff (01:05):
Definitely not. Alright. So let's get started where the
year got started in January. Weonly had one big news story in
January, and that was Apple'schanges to iOS, Safari, the App
Store, all of those things inthe European Union. They
announced that they were goingto have alternative app
marketplaces so you could havecustom app stores.

(01:25):
In doing that, they were gonnacharge the core technology fee
that was 50 €0 per install everyyear, basically, for for your
app. They were also adding theSafari choice screen. So when
you first launch Safari, itwould go, hang on. Are you
really sure you wanna useSafari? Would you rather use
Chrome or Firefox or some otherthird party browser out there?

(01:48):
They added a couple things tothe OS to support that as well
so that different browsers coulddo things similar to what Safari
is able to do. And yeah. Sodefinitely saw a couple of these
things hit later in the year.But, really, it seems like the
the big changes from thathaven't really hit yet. What are
your opinions?

Peter (02:08):
Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because, I guess it
doesn't seem like it was all theway back in January. The the
idea of alternative app storesbecame a reality to think about.
I guess it just didn't seem thatlong ago. But I think you summed
it up at the end there, whichis, well, yeah, it's typical
Apple thing.

(02:29):
Right? Announced in January andand still waiting for some.

Geoff (02:33):
Yeah. It it it all came out with 17.4 later in the year.
So it did take a while for it toactually happen. But as far as I
understand, everything that theyannounced in January is now
available. We just haven't seena lot of uptick from it.
Mhmm. I know we saw AltStorefrom the people who do Delta.
That did get releasedeventually. And I believe I

(02:56):
would need to go back and doublecheck this. I believe Epic also
did launch an alternative appstore.

Peter (03:02):
Yep. And I wanna say the set app one is in place for Mac,
Paul. I think that's

Geoff (03:08):
Interesting. Live.

Peter (03:09):
Yeah. I'm not sure. Actually, I'll go I'll have to
double check real time tracking.But I think I'm looking up.

Geoff (03:16):
I think

Peter (03:16):
it went live in Europe.

Geoff (03:18):
Yeah. No. It did. Yeah. You're right.
Yeah. So a couple differentalternative app stores. I know
we also saw at the time thatthere were several browsers that
did end up in this browserchoice screen. So Apple
definitely allowed a lot ofpeople to get into that. And so
we have seen them.
You know, neither of us are inthe EU, so, no firsthand
experience with any of these.But it does seem like it's it's

(03:40):
been kind of a slow burn so far.

Peter (03:41):
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's one of those that was actually,
it's probably going the wayApple hoped it would. Right? A
lot of Yeah.
Lot of hoorah at the beginningand then, like, oh, let's just
let everybody get it off theirchest and and then we'll stop
talking about it. Yeah.Definitely that kind of thing.

Geoff (04:00):
On to the next month of the year, we had February. We
had a couple different things.On February 2nd, we had the
Apple Vision Pro arriving in theUS, the first place that it
launched. And, it it definitelyhad people that bought it. That
was about it.
I also, at this point, launchedmy app, Kineo, for Vision Pro,

(04:20):
and definitely was not thesuccess that I was hoping that
it was going to be. I enjoyedmaking it, but it it has
definitely not been a big winfor people using it. And so I've
kind of slowed working on thatproject because of of how
underwhelming of a launch itwas. It does seem like the

(04:41):
VisionPRO is still kind ofwaiting for a reason to exist,
if it were. What are yourthoughts?

Peter (04:46):
Yeah. I'm I'm right there with you on this. I, you know, I
mean, I was not expecting it tobe all of the hoopla that
perhaps everybody else thoughtit was gonna be including Apple.
I I thought, oh, well, we'll getit. It'll be a solid piece of
engineering that is meant fortomorrow not for today and I
still feel that way about it.

(05:07):
I would say, though, I amdisappointed that it really did.
Like, here it is. And thenliterally, you know,

Geoff (05:16):
you know post release support from Apple for it yet,
and we're still kind of waitingon that. Vision OS 2 dot o,
we'll talk about that later, butit wasn't a big deal, really.
We've gotten a couple new thingswith later versions of that. It
definitely seems like a lot ofpeople are really excited about
the ultrawide in Vision OS 2 dot2, but still feels like Apple's

(05:39):
a little bit behind even ontheir own in supporting this.

Peter (05:43):
Yeah. You know, it's funny. I was, you know, I
obviously, I was watching you,build in public on Kineo for for
VisionPro, and I actually foundthat, fascinating because, you
know, we got to discover waymore from watching you build
that version of the app thanarguably just about anything
else you could go look atbecause you hit some interesting

(06:07):
issues that you arguablywouldn't have thought were gonna
be issues. Right? We'll see.
We'll we'll see where it goes. Iget it's hard. Right? It's a
brand new product category stillin the 1st year. Okay.
I will say that I think it wasless impressive than the 1st
year of the watch, which I thinkis saying something.

Geoff (06:28):
I don't know. The watch, there was a lot more developer
engagement with that, and Ithink that's definitely that
kinda goes back to the Januarything of, like, Apple, not
necessarily having the greatestrelationship with developers at
this point. Mhmm. But how manyof those 1st year watch apps are
still around? Almost 0 of them.

Peter (06:47):
Yeah. Good point.

Geoff (06:48):
And so Yeah. I think that, yeah, we had a lot more
engagement that 1st year, butthey all kinda weren't good. And
so Yeah. It definitely took thewatch a a little while to to
find its footing in the market.And that may be true with the
Vision Pro as well, but I thinkwe're still kinda waiting for

(07:09):
Apple to decide what it is aswell.

Peter (07:11):
Yeah. The the Vision Pro needs its magic moment of some
yet to be determined probablycreated app that really makes
everybody go, oh, wait. I get itnow. Right?

Geoff (07:25):
Yeah. Agreed. Alright. And then on February 21st, Apple
introduced a brand new app foriPhone, Apple Sports, which lets
you, as a sports fan, findupcoming games for your favorite
teams, your favorite leagues.Keeps track of scores for the
day, allows you to look at that.
I actually use this app a lotfor the games that I'm

(07:45):
interested in, and I see them,and I enjoy them. Honestly,
pretty pretty solid app, Ithought. Do you use this app at
all?

Peter (07:53):
I don't use it much. Not a not a huge sports person, but
I have used it. And funnyenough, I was gonna say you
probably have used it a lot morethan I ever will. So I was
curious to see what you think ofit. But I do I I feel like it
was a solid release.
Right? It's it was the rightthing. If if anything, this is

(08:13):
one of those apps that's like,okay. Now I feel like
everybody's got a really goodreason to go to the App Store on
the, Apple TV, you know. Yeah.

Geoff (08:24):
No. Really really really solid app, in my mind. You know,
it doesn't do a lot, but I kindathink that that's fine. It's
really just, hey, when's thenext game? What was the score of
the last game?
Show me the standings for theleague, that kind of thing.
Like, it it doesn't need to do alot, and it does what it does
pretty well and for free. SoWell,

Peter (08:44):
I think that's exactly why it's good, though. Right? It
is what the sports fan wants.Give me easy access to find my
teams, my sports, and give me away to find easy data for
whatever the conversation is,the argument that I'm having
with the person next to me whereI can look up

Geoff (09:03):
stats. I think I think it's definitely what the casual
sports fan wants. And that's Oh,for sure. Honestly, I consider
that myself. Like, it it is notsuper in-depth.
And the other thing that it doesnot have that I consider it a
feature that it does not havethis compared to every other
sports app out there right now,no gambling statistics. Every

(09:23):
other app is just filled withsports betting, and I I don't
want that. I I don't want thatin my app, and I praise Apple
for not having that in theirapp.

Peter (09:32):
Yeah. I I agree. Right? I mean, okay. You know, plenty of
people want that.
There's plenty of apps out therefor it, But I think it's a good
example of Apple Apple beingwhat I call the classic Apple
and doing something right for Iwas gonna say for once, but
doing something right frombeginning to end. Right?

Geoff (09:51):
And then on that exact same day, February 21st, we had
a release of endless hurdles1.3, including game center
leaderboards. Yeah. How'd thatgo?

Peter (10:01):
Yeah. So no gambling in that app either. But, you know,
I felt it was nice that Applereleased their sports app to
bring attention to my to mygame. Thank you Apple for that.
That was that was a goodrelease.
In fact, I would say for me,that was perhaps even better
than the one o release becauseit had game center integration

(10:23):
with leaderboard and that wassomething I thought was gonna
make I don't I don't wanna saymake all the difference, but,
yeah, it was a key part that Ithought would, you know, get
that friendly competition inthere would would get people
playing and it did for a veryshort while. So I I guess I
would call it a success. It wascertainly a success from a

(10:44):
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Geoff (11:18):
Moving on to March. On March 4th, we had Apple
unveiling the new 13 15 inchMacBook Airs using the m 3 chip
that they introduced at the endof 20 23. Not a whole lot to say
here. Basically, just a nice revto the MacBook Airs putting the
putting the new chip in them.That is still the, chip that

(11:38):
they use to this day.
I know we'll get later into themannouncing some new chips, but
MacBook, Air, they're stillusing the m threes.

Peter (11:47):
Yeah. And, you know, I mean, the the MacBook Air, I
think, still continues to be oneof their best machines.

Geoff (11:56):
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Peter (11:57):
You know? Yes. The MacBook Pro, of course, is you
could argue the, you know, thethe the big one for most people.
There's just no beating theMacBook Air in in so many ways
from portability, usability,being able to carry it around
and frankly the way overpoweredchip that's in there. And I

(12:20):
don't mean that in a negativeway.
I mean, it's you you could getone of these things now and it'd
still be more than most peopleever need.

Geoff (12:27):
I I I do think it's a bummer that it doesn't have the
m 4 chip yet, but it you know,the m three is no slouch. It
definitely, of the m serieschips, it is kind of the black
sheep, but, I do think that, youknow, the m three is is a a
solid addition. I I hope thatthey will eventually bump that
to the m four, but we'll we'llsee what they have in plans for

(12:48):
March of next year. The verynext day on March 5th, Apple
introduced transcripts for ApplePodcasts, which you might be
reading right now.

Peter (12:56):
Yeah. Please be reading them right now. Right? They put
a lot of work to this.

Geoff (13:00):
Listen to our actual voice.

Peter (13:02):
Well, I think I sound better on paper, you know. Okay.
Yeah. No. This actually isperhaps more important than it
seems on the surface becausethere has always been, a lot of
criticism from podcast listenersin particular about the quality
of Apple's podcast app.

(13:24):
Right? And so anytime they giveit some attention or an ability
to improve podcasting in anyway, for us podcasters, it's a
big deal. Simple as that.

Geoff (13:35):
On April 1st, I celebrated 5 years of live
Twitch streaming by building aPlaydate version of some silly
infinite runner game that Ifound I don't know. I stole some
audio from it and put it on thePlaydate in Swift because I
could. And I did all that while,I don't know, eating hot chicken

(13:55):
and having people scream at me.That was it's always a good time
on April 1st.

Peter (14:00):
Yeah. So congratulations on the 5 years, but I don't
think it's stealing when theauthor actually gives you the
content. But congratulations on5 years. My goodness.

Geoff (14:09):
Moving on to May, we had Apple introducing the m 4 chip
that we were just kinda talkingabout. Oddly enough, I forgot
that this was the case. The veryfirst device that they put it
in, and for a while, the onlydevice they put it in was the
iPad Pro.

Peter (14:24):
Yeah.

Geoff (14:24):
I know you got an M4 iPad Pro eventually after saying you
weren't going to. What whatwhat's your opinion on the M4
there? Yeah. So skipping the theidea that you also have another
M4 device that we'll get tolater.

Peter (14:39):
Right. Right. So, yeah, it is a weird choice. I'd love
to know the story one day whythe M4 made it to the iPad Pro
first. I will say, you know, I Ilove my my iPad and I don't
think that the hardware well, Iwas gonna say the hardware, but

(14:59):
definitely the software.
If you're not a big gamesplayer, I mean, it's just way
too much power for what I thinkyou can do with it. Meaning the,
you know, the limitations.

Geoff (15:14):
Yeah. Games player or maybe using Final Cut Pro or
Logic Yep. The kind of pro proto, pro apps that they have on
there. I I do know I, you know,I hear for a lot from people
that are like, oh, the iPad'stoo powerful for what's out
there. I do think that, yeah,there is a software limitation,
but I think that in our sphere,especially, there's a lot of

(15:35):
people that are like, well, Ican't run Xcode on it.
Therefore, there's noprofessional tools on it.

Peter (15:39):
Sure.

Geoff (15:40):
And I think people do forget some of the stuff like,
logic and and final cut, but,you know, I I I agree in some
extent that yeah. I mean, ifyou're saying these 2 first
party apps are the only thingthat can really take advantage
of this full power, you you arestill at least a little bit on
point there.

Peter (15:57):
Now let me ask you, though, because we we both got
the new, Pro Pencil. And and so,you know, how do you feel about
that? Do you think that was agreat choice?

Geoff (16:08):
Let let's let's go back into those announcements. Yeah.
Apple also introduced the ApplePencil Pro at that point, which
was compatible not only with theM4 iPad Pro that you got, but
also the new M2 iPad Air, whichis what I got. Mhmm. And so,
yeah, I've definitely been veryhappy with the the M2 iPad Air.
It was replacing for me a 20 19

Peter (16:29):
ish

Geoff (16:29):
era Okay. IPad Pro. This was before the M style devices
on the iPad Pro. It was thefirst iPad Pro that was
compatible with the keyboard,the magic keyboard with the
trackpad. I bought that becausethe iPad Air was still also
compatible with that samekeyboard.
Didn't have to buy a newkeyboard. Did have to buy the

(16:49):
new Pencil Pro, but that wasalso a major part of what I
wanted. And, yeah, I I love thatPencil Pro. I ended up building
support for it into blackhighlighter. Kineo kinda just
got it for free because Kineo isusing pencil kit.
But yeah. No. Definitelydefinitely some fun new stuff
with the Pencil Pro, and I'vebeen more than happy with the

(17:10):
iPad Air m 2 iPad Air. It's agreat little machine.

Peter (17:14):
I I actually think the the m 2 is probably about the
right level of hardware for,where the iPad I was gonna say
should be, meaning that the M4,I just don't think it's, again,
there to take advantage of it,but I think the M2 sits nicely
with it. You know, if you'relooking at it from a how much

(17:35):
did I pay perspective. Right?

Geoff (17:37):
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I the m two, very nicely priced
for what it is and and, youknow, still compatible with that
keyboard and trackpad, stillcompatible with the Pencil Pro.
It it's a it's a very nice iPadif you're into the iPad
ecosystem.
So we talked about the fact thatthe M4 launch with the iPad Pro
was a very bizarre kind ofunexplainable choice. Later that

(18:02):
month, Apple made more bizarreunexplainable choices with their
100 best albums of all timelist. And, definitely, yeah, you
look at that list of a 100 bestalbums. I'm not a huge music
expert. I don't think you're ahuge music expert.
But even us as not the world'sstrongest music experts went,
what are these albums?

Peter (18:22):
Why are

Geoff (18:22):
they in this order? Well, who picked this?

Peter (18:24):
Yeah. Right.

Geoff (18:25):
And, yeah. I definitely later in the year, I didn't
write this one down for forcovering later. Later in the
year, they decided to release acoffee table book about this
Still alive too. Best albums.And, yeah, got another whole
series of people talking about,like, who picked these?

Peter (18:44):
Yeah. Yeah. This this very much feels like one of
those kind of Apple saying, hey,you don't forget we're we're a
music thing too.

Geoff (18:55):
Music company as well.

Peter (18:56):
Yeah. Right? You know, because it was an odd, like,
okay. Yeah. You

Geoff (19:03):
know? Okay. What what were you basing this on?

Peter (19:06):
Yeah. It's like But anyway I was gonna say it's
like, Apple, did you just feellike there was something you had
to say in late May and you'relike, let's make up a list.

Geoff (19:16):
But, congratulations to The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill,
the greatest album ever created.Okay. Moving on to June. Yeah.
June is, you know, AppleDevelopers Christmas.
Yeah. And we had Yeah. WWDC onJune 10th, kicking off on June
10th. And definitely had a lotof great announcements. We had a

(19:39):
lot of announcements for all ofthe various OSes.
We're gonna skip those for nowbecause we will get back to them
when they actually launch laterin the year. For now, let's talk
about the kind of developerfocused announcements. We had
Xcode 16 with automated codecompletion, which we have now.
They also announced a upcomingother developer feature called

(20:00):
Swift Assist that is notactually out yet, so can't
really talk about that much.Right.
We got Swift 6 with strictconcurrency, type throws, all of
those kinds of things that wehave in Swift 6. And we got the
1st release that allowed us touse Swift testing. Thoughts on
any of those or anything elsethat got announced at WWDC that
we were super excited about?

Peter (20:20):
Yeah. So, you know, the the new releases when they
announce them now of Swift, it'skind of a okay thing when we get
to June because by the time weget there, we, you know, those
paying attention because of theopen source nature on that, we
already know what's coming.Right? It's more like just a
seal of like, okay, and it's outthere. So it doesn't feel as

(20:43):
special as it used to, and Idon't necessarily mean that as a
bad thing.
I like that it's open fordiscussion. Right? Yeah.

Geoff (20:52):
Definitely. People can be paying attention to it
beforehand. Exactly. I do thinkthere are a lot of people who,
you know, just I mean, they'reprobably not the people
listening to this podcast, but alot of a lot of people who do
kind of not really follow theday to day of the Swift
ecosystem where it is still theyget to WWDC and they go, oh,
this is a cool new feature.

Peter (21:11):
Yeah.

Geoff (21:12):
And and so it it is something to them that they're
very much like, oh, this this isthis is a very cool, very big
announcement. You know? Yeah.All, all of those things except
for the automated codecompletion, we all kinda knew
about.

Peter (21:24):
Yeah. Or sorry. I think

Geoff (21:26):
people who've paid attention to the thing knew
about, but it is still very mucha case where Apple does get to
have this announcement to a lotof people who are not, you know,
living and breathing Swiftannouncements.

Peter (21:37):
Yeah. I I can identify those people. They're the people
that are still arguing about the100 best albums on the previous
item on the list. They were theywere too busy arguing about the
the list to to notice. But, Iwill say, so Xcode 16.
Right? I mean, hey, we get a newone every year whether we want

(21:58):
it or not. Automated codecompletion is really more
automated code, confusion, Ithink. I said You know? Yeah.

Geoff (22:08):
I I have I have had it be amazing, and I have had it be
amazingly bad. Yep. And I I'mstill on the fence of, should I
leave it on or should I notleave it on? Mhmm.

Peter (22:19):
I

Geoff (22:19):
know a lot of people who have turned it off, but the
times that it works, it'sflawless. It's fantastic. It's
great to just hit tab a bunch oftimes, and it's like, yep. You
did exactly what I wanted. Andthen there are other times where
it's like it can't realize thatit needs to name the struct that
I just created the same as thefile name, and it just makes
stuff up.
Yeah. And I'm like, I when it'sgreat, it's great. When it's

(22:42):
bad, it's bad. And I I don'tunderstand how to make it lean
more towards the former than thelatter.

Peter (22:48):
Yeah. I agree. Right? When I first started using it, I
was like, wow. This is actuallyreally helpful and cool.
And then it seemed like thelonger I use it, the stupider it
got is the only way I candescribe it. And that was before
I wrote my code, so I know itwasn't me. Right?

Geoff (23:07):
Fair enough. Yeah. No. I I'm looking forward to the, the
one where the Swift Assist wherewe can kind of ask it open
questions about stuff. But,compared to, you know, stuff
that's out there now, like,cursor or whatever, you know, I
I'm kinda curious to see ifApple's gonna even be able to
compete with things out therethat are not first party
systems.

Peter (23:27):
I I will I'll go on the record now and say, I wonder if
they're actually just gonnathrow in the towel and not
bother.

Geoff (23:34):
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows?

Peter (23:37):
Yeah. I mean

Geoff (23:38):
We'll see if and when they announce or they actually
release Swift Assist.

Peter (23:42):
Well, the part of the reason I'm thinking that too is
they're look how much they aretalking up chat GPT in Apple
Intelligence and so on. I wonderif they might not just hand it
off to them and say, can yousolve this problem for us?

Geoff (23:58):
I mean, they could yeah. I I I don't know. It it it very
much could be a case where theydo that, but I think they would
still want to integrate thatwith Xcode in some way.

Peter (24:08):
Oh, yeah.

Geoff (24:08):
And even then, I think that there's going to be that
Apple piece that they have to doit. Even if the model on the
back end is chat GPT or quad orwhatever, I think that you're
gonna have to deal with the factthat it has to know things about
Xcode.

Peter (24:24):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. And

Geoff (24:26):
And and so I'm I'm curious to see what Apple does
with that even if they aren'tthe ones running the model
themselves.

Peter (24:32):
Yeah. Because they are they, at the very least, are
gonna have to open up, notnecessarily the plug in
architecture that I still thinkis funny.

Geoff (24:40):
They'll they'll never do that.

Peter (24:41):
Yeah. But what I was gonna say was they they're gonna
have to open up somethinginternally, to have anything
work with Xcode at this point.You know? Mhmm.

Geoff (24:51):
Later in June, on June 27th, we got the Apple Vision
Pro in a couple more countrieson in China, in Hong Kong, in
Japan, in Singapore. I don'tknow that we have too much to
say about this. I didn't see anymajor spike in users after this
happened, but, it it it is nowavailable to more people. I feel
like we had kind of a similarreaction to it everywhere else

(25:14):
in the world that we did in theUS, which everybody kinda win
it. And they got it, and theysaid, well, this is cool.
This is neat. This is greathardware.

Peter (25:23):
Yeah.

Geoff (25:23):
And then they put it in a drawer.

Peter (25:25):
I wonder if internally in Apple somewhere, someone quietly
joked, hey, we shipped 4 moreunits this month, and each of
those was the demo one for theshop.

Geoff (25:37):
Time for a break.

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(26:47):
recommend this to every Macuser.

Geoff (26:50):
Break time over. Moving on to July. On July 18th, we had
another new release of EndlessHurdles that added the new
permanent stadium event because,I don't know. There weren't any
real, like, world events thatwere going on at that point that
were relevant. Yeah.
Yeah. No. No. Of course, thiswas a release to coincide with

(27:11):
the Olympics going on over inFrance. And, how did that go for
you?

Peter (27:16):
Yeah. It's funny. I felt the pressure. Because this was
one of those, like, well, if youdon't ship this event now, don't
bother for 4 years. So it wasactually turned out very well
and and actually I would say thestadium event in the game is
personally my favorite rightnow, as far as visuals because I

(27:38):
went for a slightly kind of like2.5 d view that I think makes it
better.
I did see I I it's unfair tocall it a spike when the numbers
are so low. A pimple. I saw apimple in the numbers. Yeah.
There you go.
I know there's at least 2players.

Geoff (27:57):
Yeah. I'm number I I've got the gold medal going right
now.

Peter (28:00):
Well done. But yes, this did actually have a new
mechanic. Yeah. No. There was anew mechanic of obviously a
gold, a silver and a bronzemedal that just happened to be
like a major sports event fromthat year, with its own board
that that reset weekly.
It did help push some units, Iguess I would say, you know, but

(28:21):
it's it is the one that I feelit continued to prove that I
planned it right from day 1 asfar as adding events easily.
Let's put it that way.

Geoff (28:29):
Makes sense. Yeah. Definitely having the ability to
do, different things based on,you know, outside culture.

Peter (28:37):
Yeah. Right. Exactly.

Geoff (28:38):
And and being able to respond to things pretty
quickly. Yeah. You know,definitely definitely a cool
feature.

Peter (28:43):
If only I had done more after that one.

Geoff (28:46):
Yeah. No. I I I I'm telling you, I still want my
Groundhog Day.

Peter (28:51):
Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. Maybe in the 3 d version.

Geoff (28:53):
Seconds coming up. Come on.

Peter (28:55):
Yeah. Yeah. 3 d version is in production. Well, no. No.
No. It's in production beingmade. It's not out in
production. Let's be clear. It'snot not in production.

Geoff (29:03):
No. It is being produced. Yeah.

Peter (29:05):
Yeah.

Geoff (29:06):
On July 20 4th, we had Apple Maps launching on the web,
which was a thing that Icompletely forgot existed.

Peter (29:13):
Yeah. Me too. Didn't even Yeah.

Geoff (29:15):
I I looked at it today. Looks great. It's very cool. I'm
glad that this exists. Yeah.
But why? Totally forgot that itdid.

Peter (29:25):
Yeah. I mean, it's like I'm sorry. Are we going back to,
like, the MapQuest days? I'mgonna print maps out now from
Apple Maps and take them withme, is it?

Geoff (29:33):
No. I I mean, I think it's it's useful for people
that, you know, if if I'mlinking to a map, you know,
something like if I'm looking upa thing on maps and I go, I need
to go here and then I send it toa friend and they've got an
Android phone, then previouslythey couldn't do anything with
it. Bunkers. And now theyactually get directed to

(29:54):
something that they can look at.Because I know I have I I get
annoyed with the the inverse.
It's like, you know, somebody onAndroid sends me a Google Maps
link and it's like, now I gotthis stupid app that it's not
dark mode and it looks awful andit's whatever. And now at least,
like, hey. I can annoy themback. Yeah.

Peter (30:16):
That's good to say.

Geoff (30:17):
They can they can deal with with the the, the thing.
And guess what? Apple Maps onthe web, you know what it has?
Dark mode.

Peter (30:25):
I think the easier answer is just not to have Android
friends.

Geoff (30:28):
Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you gotta.

Peter (30:31):
Yeah. Well, you gotta have that one. Right? Makes you
feel better about yourself.Sorry, Android people.
Not sorry.

Geoff (30:37):
Going on to August, we have kind of a a slowdown in
Apple News as we, you know,kinda come out of WWDC. We wait
for the announcements that arecoming later. So the only news
event that I have in August issomething called the Compayo
Swift podcast added anotherhost. I'm sure that went just
fantastic for them.

Peter (30:57):
Well, we'll see how it works out. You know? Yeah. I I I
appreciate Apple not doinganything that month to help, you
know, give me space to to makethat announcement. That was very
kind of them.

Geoff (31:10):
Give you some reason to add a cohost just so that the
the podcast had something totalk about.

Peter (31:15):
Exactly. Right? So so really the headline is August
30th, compile Swift on topic,first time this year. Yeah.

Geoff (31:25):
In September, of course, we have all of the releases of
everything that got announced inJune. And so that kicked off on
September 9th with the releaseof the Apple Watch Series 10 and
the iPhone 16 series of devices.I don't think either of us got
anything that was announced thatday.

Peter (31:41):
No. We didn't. No. We were like, oh, look. You put
another button.

Geoff (31:44):
We definitely talked about the camera control. Oh, we
did. Yes. We definitelydiscussed it. Yeah.
We had a whole podcast episodeabout it. But, yeah, neither of
us have have used that device.You know, they also had a
release. I didn't list thisdown, but they did release the
new AirPods Max, which is thesame as the old AirPods Max, but
it's got a USB c port now. Yep.

(32:05):
I didn't get that either.

Peter (32:06):
No. But,

Geoff (32:07):
it's it's a thing that existed. No. I mean, the 16
being very similar to the 16pro, I think was was the big
major news story this year. Andso if you are somebody that
doesn't use the pro devices andyou haven't upgraded for a
while, the iPhone 16 is afantastic update for you. Mhmm.
You just get the base model 16,and it's basically the same as

(32:29):
the 16 Pro, but with theslightly worse camera.

Peter (32:32):
Yeah. I mean

Geoff (32:33):
definitely a nice release.

Peter (32:35):
Yeah. That that seemed to be the opinion to most people,
which was, hey. This might bethe 1st year to actually just
get a plus.

Geoff (32:40):
Just get a just get a regular. Yeah. Yeah. So or the
plus size. Yeah, definitely.
Definitely a nice update. Ialready had a 15 pro, so I
didn't feel the need to update,but, definitely, definitely
seemed like a nice update forpeople that haven't updated in a
while.

Peter (32:54):
Yep. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah.

Geoff (32:56):
Series 10 also seemed pretty cool. I honestly don't
know why I didn't go series 10.There was a point where I was
like, oh, I should get a series10, and then I think I just
forgot about it.

Peter (33:05):
I was the same, actually. I I was thinking about, you
know, it's like, oh, you know,I've got the whatever it is. I
and it felt like maybe it wastime, but then that thing in in
my head that said, well, butwait and see what sensors they
add next year.

Geoff (33:19):
I I mostly wanted it because I spent forever with
the, titanium Apple Watch, and Ireally got used to how
lightweight the titanium AppleWatch was. And then the last
time that I needed to upgrade,they did not have a titanium
option. And so I got thestainless steel version, which
feels like I tied a brick aroundmy wrist in comparison. And so

(33:40):
when they came out with theseries 10 and they had a
titanium version again, I waslike, oh, man. I need to get
that.
And then somehow just neveractually did it.

Peter (33:48):
I I feel like that's a lot of the watch right there,
which is don't really know why Igot one, was gonna upgrade,
forgot,

Geoff (33:56):
didn't notice it. I I love my watch. I think I think
it's great. Honestly, I thinkthat the extent to why I forgot
about it is just, like, thewatch is great at just kinda
getting out of your way and notbothering you. And and the
version that I have is it justworks just great for everything
that I need to do.
And, I've I've not it's notfussed me enough to say, oh,

(34:19):
man, I definitely need to getrid of this. Yeah.

Peter (34:21):
You know,

Geoff (34:21):
I made the joke about it feeling like a break around my
hand. It's not that heavy. Ijust man, I I titanium would be
nice.

Peter (34:28):
See, I mean, mine is literally my notification
machine. So

Geoff (34:32):
Yeah. That's it. I mean, I I use I use mine for a lot. So
Yeah. And then, of course, onSeptember 16th, we had the
release of all of Apple'soperating systems.
You had iPad OS 18, iOS 18,Watch OS 11, tv OS 18, Vision OS
2. Somebody should make awebsite that lists all of these
numbers. Yeah. And, yeah. No.
I I think that, we definitelyhad a lot that came out that was

(34:56):
kind of mostly overshadowed by alot of things that did not come
out, namely all of the AppleIntelligence stuff that was
still coming later. But, wedefinitely got a a couple nice
things out there. With iOS 18,we had the customizable home
screens where you could now putyour icons anywhere that you
wanted. You could have dark modeicons. You could have the tinted

(35:19):
icons.
With watchOS 11, you had severalnew, like, live activity stuff,
new widget stuff. I don'tremember for the life of me what
was new in tvOS 18, but that'stvOS 18 for you. New number.
VisionOS 2 didn't have a wholelot of new things, but it
definitely felt like it cleanedup a lot of what 1.0 was and and

(35:39):
kinda made it, oh, hey. This isthe the nice polished version
that they probably should havelaunched with.
But, you know, several solidupdates that were kind of, like
I said, just overshadowed by thefact that they didn't have the
big headline features that wereannounced at WWDC.

Peter (35:55):
Yeah. So it's not been a good year for these releases.
Right? It's basically

Geoff (36:03):
I don't know. I I thought they were all pretty solid
releases. Oh, yeah.

Peter (36:06):
No. No. No. I mean, they were solid, but it was like,
hey. All that stuff we told youearlier in the year that you're
gonna buy this new phone for andstuff.
Yeah. About that. Right? Youknow, coming on the you it's
almost like you got this iPhone16 this year, but when you buy
the iPhone 17 next year, you'llget all the software that we
said you were gonna get on the6th.

Geoff (36:28):
And then on one day later from that, I released my new
app, Bark. Posted a launch videoto YouTube because I was doing
this all for the RevenueCat ShipA Ton hackathon, trying to enter
in and win a prize there, and,posted the video to YouTube
because that was a requirementof it. And my launch video got

(36:49):
66,000 views for reasons I stilldon't quite understand. And,
definitely was a nice fun bumpto, the the end of September. We
had a whole lot of people thatwere excited about the app, had
a whole lot of people that werevery not excited about the app
and let me know about that aswell.
But, you know, overall, I Ithink, the the the number of

(37:10):
people that were, you know,pretty excited about the app, I
I I thought it was a a funexperience to to get to see, the
reaction to that.

Peter (37:18):
Yeah. I thought this was great actually because it seemed
like every time I looked at myphone, there was a new note from
you that's like, oh my god. Itsays much. Oh my god. It says
much.
Oh my god. And it was justgreat. And, you know so yeah.
This was great actually becausenot only did I watch you sort
of, you know, from the beginningcreate this app in a very short

(37:40):
period of time.

Geoff (37:41):
3 weeks.

Peter (37:42):
Yeah. But it also goes to show Idea

Geoff (37:45):
to creation was like 4 years, but starting to work on
it to creation was like 3 weeks.

Peter (37:50):
Well, but it it goes to show that having that pressure
helps she helps you ship. Right?

Geoff (37:57):
Absolutely.

Peter (37:58):
And then having the payoff of this crazy amount on
YouTube and it was greatbecause, you know, we all got to
celebrate that with you in thediscord and enjoy it. And it's
not often that you're in with agroup of people like all the
fantastic folks on our Discordwhere you something like this
happens and you will get to toshare in the fun of seeing it

(38:21):
happen to someone. Right? Andtry also trying to figure out
how and and then realizing wenever figured it out, but it
doesn't matter.

Geoff (38:29):
Never figured it out. No. No. Yeah. No.
It was it was definitely a agreat, great experience to to
have and especially witheverybody in the Discord kinda
being there and and celebratingalongside it. It it was it was
quite a lot of fun. And,especially compared to the the
other big launch I had in theyear earlier that we discussed.
Mhmm. Mhmm.

(38:49):
Yeah. Definitely definitely asignificantly, different
outcome.

Peter (38:55):
Yeah. It it because it does. You know, it leaves you
scratching your head, like, butwait. I sweated bullets on every
detail of the other one. It'sit's that typical

Geoff (39:04):
Yeah. I I spent 6 months on Kineo for Vision Pro, and I
spent 3 weeks on Bark and thelevel of outcomes above and
beyond just, you know, the thefact that the iPhone is a
obviously much more popularplatform for VisionPRO. Sorry. A
much more popular platform thanVisionPRO. You know, above and
beyond that, like, the amount ofresponse to Bark versus the

(39:26):
amount of response to Kineo wasshocking.

Peter (39:29):
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, but it it it's kind of
like that it's like that standup comedian thing, right, where
the audience laughs their buttoff at the joke that you didn't
think was gonna be a big deal.And afterwards, you're like,
really? That's the one youlaughed at?
I wanted this one to be the onethat you laughed at. Right?

(39:50):
Yeah. You know, but, hey, takewhat you can get. Right?
One is still better than none,you know.

Geoff (39:56):
Yeah. Absolutely. In October, we kicked it off with
Apple kind of continuing toupdate as many of their devices
as they could to be AppleIntelligence compatible, and
they did that by shipping theweirdestly named iPad ever, the
iPad Mini, parenthesis, a 17Pro, close parenthesis. This is

(40:17):
just a new iPad Mini. Seemedlike a relatively minor upgrade
over the last iPad Mini.
Really just kind of getting itup to that bare minimum amount
of RAM that they needed forApple Intelligence. But, it's
it's nice to see Apple rev theiPad Mini when they do, because
occasionally we go years yearsyears without them doing that.

Peter (40:36):
Yeah. You know, the the iPad mini, I think, is still a
great great machine, sits in anice spot, but dang it, Apple.
You don't have to, like, make ithard to remember the names and
have a iPad for every $50 orwhatever at this point. Right?
It's okay to just call it theiPad mini.

(40:57):
We all know what it is.

Geoff (40:59):
On October 28th, we got the first wave of Apple
intelligence features thatactually got launched on all of
the dot one updates to all ofApple's OSes. We got
notification summaries. We gotwriting tools. We got cleanup in
photos and call transcription.Couple, you know, mishmash of

(41:19):
fairly simple things, but it wasthe first set of Apple
Intelligence features.
Are you, you using any of thoseparticular features that got
that came out in 18.1?

Peter (41:32):
So, yeah. Interestingly, actually the only Apple
intelligence features I've usedintentionally at this point, I
would say, is, on the Mac andthe, you know, the the text
features, right? Which are notbad. I mean they're they're as
good as anything else I'm goingwith. However, the most

(41:55):
entertaining award definitelygoes to summaries on my iPhone
because it You never know whatyou're gonna get.
Exactly. And it has made some ofmy drives home so entertaining
to hear some of these summariesand then trying to figure out
what the hell it's talkingabout. What were you

Geoff (42:16):
Yeah. My favorite is is all of the, my favorite is all
of the messaging apps that don'treally break out individual
speakers.

Peter (42:25):
Mhmm.

Geoff (42:25):
And then what you get is a notification of, like, one
person said all of these things.And it's just like, what?

Peter (42:32):
Yeah. I don't get it. Yeah. Exactly. And then you

Geoff (42:35):
go back and you look, and it's actually, like, 3 people
talking. And and it's been kindof mingled. I hope that this
encourages more developers toactually implement that, person
by person notification stuff,but I am not holding my breath.

Peter (42:50):
Yeah. We use, unfortunately, we use Microsoft
Teams at work. And on more thanone occasion I've been driving
home and I I you know I've gotmy AirPod Pro 2s and and I will
say I you know I like this thatit reads the messages to those,

(43:12):
as you're going along. But on acouple occasions now, it's come
up and it said, you know, I'mnot gonna mention names. Person
x sounds confused.
Like, no. No. I think it mightbe you, Apple Intelligence.

Geoff (43:28):
Personally, yeah, I have not really used the writing
tools that you said you do. I douse the notification summaries.
They're, yeah, very much a mixedbag. The one that I've used more
than anything that I've beensurprised by is the photo
cleanup feature to just kindalike Oh, really? You know, take
a picture, and then there's somebit of trash on the floor or
something like that that, youknow, I wanna send this picture,

(43:49):
and it's like, I don't want, youknow, whoever to be like, why
why haven't you cleaned up yourliving room in a week?
Shut up. But yeah. No. Cleanupis is actually pretty good at
it. If you are doing somethingbig and complex, you can
definitely see, weirdness to it.
But if you're really just like,hey, you know, like, this is

(44:10):
just a tiled floor or whateveror wood floor, and I just get
rid of this thing. No. It's it'sbeen pretty good at it. And so
yeah. No.
I'm I'm actually pretty happywith the the cleanup feature.

Peter (44:20):
Interesting.

Geoff (44:22):
Yeah. That that's been that's been my main use of this
first wave of Apple intelligencefeature. The very next day after
launching the Apple intelligencefeatures, Apple released a new
Imac with the m 4 chip, and anew Mac Mini also with the m 4
chip. I know you got, a MacMini, and we did a whole podcast

(44:43):
on Patreon about that, and very,excited about that. I have
kinda, for a long time, wantedone of the new m series Imacs,
but I have no reason to actuallyget one.
So I haven't, and I'm even morebummed out by the fact that in
this case, they, they got rid ofthe red one and decided to say,
no. It actually is pink. Eventhough the last one, the red

(45:03):
one, it was clearly a pink one,but they kept saying it was red.
And now this time, they're justlike, nah. It's pink.
It's pink.

Peter (45:09):
You know, I totally would buy a product red Imac.

Geoff (45:13):
Oh, yeah. That'd be sick. Yeah.

Peter (45:14):
Yeah. Yeah. No. My my Mac Mini, absolutely zero regrets
there. You know, Like you said,we'll put a link in the show
notes to the Patreon episode, soI'm not gonna spoil it.
But going from an M1 MacBook ProM1 Pro Max to the M4 Pro, night
and day difference, whichhonestly surprised me just how

(45:38):
much better.

Geoff (45:39):
It's shocking, yeah, how much that the even the max chips
of the early m one series,devices are blown away by the m
4. Yeah. I believe and then thenext day after that, so those
keeping along, this is 3 days ina row, October 28th, 29th, and
now 30th, we got the new MacBookPro with the m 4 and m Pro Max

(45:59):
Chips. This is the first releaseof the m 4 pro and m 4 max. They
came out in a new MacBook Pro,and I kinda feel like these have
been completely overshadowed bythe Mac Minis.
Everybody's been blown away bythe Mac Minis, and nobody that I
know has really covered theMacBook Pros at all. Yeah. The
the Mac Minis are just such agreat machine that nobody's

(46:21):
really, like, super focused onthe the Pro and Max machines.

Peter (46:25):
I I feel like, you know, I feel bad for them because,
yeah, I have no doubt that theseMacBook Pros are are every bit
as good. But the problem is,yeah, when you have a big leap
like you did in the Mac Minis,yeah, you totally overshadowed
it. It's almost like a wastedannouncement from Apple at that
point. Right?

Geoff (46:43):
Almost. Yeah.

Peter (46:44):
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Geoff (47:04):
Month after that, November 19th, Apple shared the
most popular podcast of 2024. Idon't know why we weren't on
that. I we must've just barelymissed that cut.

Peter (47:13):
You know, we we were probably just outside on the
list. Right? Come on, Apple.Show us some love.

Geoff (47:20):
We we got a we got a milestone that we're gonna cover
in in just a little bit, but,yeah. We we could've we
should've been right there.

Peter (47:27):
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like next Okay. We we're trying to
we're trying to help Apple outhere by promoting Swift and
Apple Development and everythingelse. The least they could do is
just put us in the top 10.
Right?

Geoff (47:39):
I figured it out a little bit. You know? A little bit of
quid pro quo. Quan. Yeah.
Moving on to the last month ofthe year, December 3rd, we had a
release of Job Finder tracker1.2 with resume support. Yeah.
How's that been going?

Peter (47:52):
Talking about overdue releases. Yes. Finally shipped
it. So, the bad news, I I havenot seen nobody's bought it
since the update, but that'sokay. That's fine.
I the commitment to this featurewas a feature that the one and

(48:13):
only user, thank you one andonly user, who you may know,
asked for. So it was importantto get it in there and actually
it's a very I would say it's animportant feature for sparking
some ideas for the next seriesof of things to do. And perhaps
more importantly, you know, as adeveloper, sometimes you need to

(48:36):
ship something so badly

Geoff (48:39):
Just just to feel better.

Peter (48:40):
Exactly. Remind yourself, look, I am a developer and I did
ship. Right? And and so, youknow, the the the rash of,
development and and that andshipping these things at the end
of the year and still having afull time day job, and the
podcast and the streams wasimportant to me. So I'm actually

(49:01):
feel whilst I'd like to haveseen some units ship by now,
that's okay if they don't, Itwas an important morale boost
for me.

Geoff (49:09):
Definitely. Definitely understand that that case where
especially when you haven'tshipped for a while. Really,
just getting that first one outagain, it's just like, man, it
feels good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaking of things that feelgood, 2 days after that, we had
the Compile Swift podcastreaching 100,000 lifetime
downloads, which, again, do notunderstand how we didn't make it
into that top podcast of 2024.Yeah. But, yeah. No. Definitely

(49:32):
definitely a nice big roundnumber, and don't we love
celebrating big round numbers?

Peter (49:36):
Oh, yeah. You know, and especially, when you consider
well, this would be episode a177, I think, in total. So, you
know, when you break that down,that is, that's a nice ratio
right there and, you know, I dowant to take a moment to to say
thank you. Seriously, thank youto every single listener, all

(49:59):
the guests, the co host. I neverin a 1000000 years would have
dead dream to to have a 100,000downloads when I started this
crazy idea.
So, it wouldn't happen. It wouldnot have happened if it wasn't
for all of you because just asimportantly, the support that I

(50:19):
get over the years from emailsand messages from folks to say,
hey, keep going. It's tough. So,thank you to all of you and,
that's gonna help kick us into,you know

Geoff (50:31):
Especially the patrons.

Peter (50:32):
Especially the patrons. Absolutely. That was, you know,
funny enough, that was anotherthing this year. It's always
been there, but, this was the1st year that they actually saw
some traction, which, again, youknow, anytime you get, like,
that first sale or subscriptionor whatever, it's a massive
morale boost for anybody thatmakes anything. So

Geoff (50:53):
And the first person to subscribe to your Patreon got a
special bonus prize of being theco host.

Peter (50:57):
Yeah. See? That's what happens, folks. So that one's
gone. Sorry.
You can't have that one. But,no, seriously, never thought it
would happen. This was just apipe dream of an idea, and and
that was total justification forit right there.

Geoff (51:15):
On December 11th, we got now we're getting into, like,
less than a week ago. We had the2nd wave of Apple Intelligence
features. We had some of the,like, image generation stuff. So
you got image playground,Genmoji, image wand, all of the
various abilities to kind ofcreate images from either
prompts or from other images,that kind of thing. You had the

(51:38):
ability to dig into writingtools.
You can now tell it what youwant changed rather than just
kind of the presets that you hadin the the first release of
writing tools. And you now havethe ability to talk to chat g p
t through Siri.

Peter (51:54):
Mhmm.

Geoff (51:55):
Have you I I actually have not used any of these new
features yet. I am pretty sure Iupgraded in the last week. I I
have I have not used any ofthese. None of them have, been
anything where I've felt theneed to check them out. How
about, how about you?

Peter (52:09):
Yeah. So I did try the Image Playground in the beta.
And in fact, if I rememberrightly, I did it on at least
one stream. And, hey, friend ofthe show, Adam Wolf, has also
been using it as well. Now I'dbe curious to see shout out to
the audience here.
Tell us if you've been using itand what you think because I'll

(52:31):
be honest, I've been greatlyunder impressed. It seems like
every description I put in hasreally not worked and not even
been close. And then when Istart to redescribe it, and I
tried, like, 4 or 5 attempts ata you know, in a in flow
conversation, it just seemedlike it was doing whatever the
hell he wanted, basically. SoFair enough. You know.

(52:54):
Yeah. Expect it again, expectedmore from Apple. Let's put it
that way. Now I will say what isnice though, what does work
better is when you provided aphoto of yourself and ask it to
turn it into an illustration orsomething. That's actually
pretty good.
But they all do that, you know.

Geoff (53:11):
And I mean, it's not like we haven't seen image generation
like this from every AI providerfor years.

Peter (53:18):
Right. Right. I I think for me, same story through and
through for this AppleIntelligence stuff. You know, we
waited longer than Apple said wewould have to. And then when it
got here, it was like, oh,really?
Okay.

Geoff (53:34):
And then lastly, the most important news story of the
year. This was definitely inApple's newsroom press release,
and I I knew you would have justthe hottest of takes about this.
On December 12th, his majesty,king Charles the third visited
Apple's UK headquarters.

Peter (53:51):
Yeah. I bet whatever he bought, the British taxpayer
paid for it. And I'll leave itat that.

Geoff (53:58):
It's it says he visited the office, not the Apple store.

Peter (54:01):
Ah, well, see, it's even worse.

Geoff (54:04):
Oh my god. Alright. So that is our year in oh, god.

Peter (54:09):
So I'll put the subtitle on this one. The subtitle on
this one for me being an ex UKpatriot would be, and nobody
cared.

Geoff (54:20):
So that is our 2024 year end review. Definitely, a a lot
of things happened this year.And then in the same breath,
kind of not a lot of thingshappened this year. So
definitely a a a interestingyear and kind of feels a little
bit like a transitional year forApple. Yep.
And, definitely excited to seewhat we get next year. And,

(54:43):
stick with us here on thecompiled podcast, and we'll be
there to talk about it when ithappens. Yeah.

Peter (54:49):
Peter, how can people find you online? You can find me
at peterwhidham.com, and, ofcourse, compilesweep.com for
this podcast and all thenetworks. Yeah.

Geoff (55:00):
What about you? I am at cocoatype.com. Cocoatype,
basically, everywhere. Yeah. Youcan find me.

Peter (55:06):
There you go.

Geoff (55:07):
I'll be around.

Peter (55:07):
Yeah. He'll be around. Folks, depending on when you're
listening to this, we know whenwe plan to release it, but
depending on when you listen tothis, we we hope you are either
enjoying your holiday season ordid enjoy it. And I

Geoff (55:20):
was gonna say this is this is going to be our last
podcast of 2024. Yep. So, yeah.We hope you all have a great end
of the year. Have a great newyear.
And, we'll see you all in thenext year.

Peter (55:32):
See you later folks.

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