Ilse Jonker and Joyce van Aalten: Content Structure and Meaning – Episode 199

Ilse Jonker and Joyce van Aalten Modern content projects get the best results when content strategy and conceptual meaning are considered together, and the results can really shine when long-time collaborators do the work. Ilse Jonker and Joyce van Aalten are independent consultants who have teamed up on many content projects over the past dozen years. Ilse focuses on content strategy and structure, and Joyce focuses on taxonomy and semantics. Together they build the scaffolding the supports their clients' content operations. We talked about: Joyce's freelance taxonomy work and Ilse's freelance content strategist, and their common interest in content structure and semantics the importance of organizations being ready for change and willing to start small when they engage a consulting team for a complex change project the baffling tolerance that organizations have for redundancy in their content landscape their approach to dealing with organizational silos Joyce's content-first approach to her taxonomy work Ilse's emphasis on the importance of understanding organizational culture before beginning a project their view of the concept of a "semantic layer" how they empower their clients to evangelize their work to other stakeholders how they collaborate around the structure and the semantics of the content projects they work on how Ilse's structured-content work goes hand in hand with Joyce's metadata work how taxonomies and ontologies can make tacit organizational knowledge explicit as structural artifacts the importance of connecting with other people Team bio Joyce and Ilse are experienced consultants that have been working together on a regular basis since 2012. They are both solopreneurs, and do projects of their own but also a lot of assignments together. They describe their combination as yin and yang: put them together and you’ll get a holistic, semantic view on your content and information landscape. Sometimes they bring in an additional data scientist to work with them, too. Ilse's bio Ilse fell in love with the web in 1996. After graduating in Liberal Arts, specializing in New Media as it was called then, she worked several years as online project manager and pivoted slowly to strategy. Since 2006 she works as an independent content strategist and consultant. She has 25+ years of experience in helping profit, semi-public and non-profit organizations navigating digital change (website renewals, content migrations, redesigns, omnichannel programmes). She loves to coach younger content strategists, so, happy to connect on LinkedIn! Connect with Ilse online LinkedIn Joyce's bio Joyce van Aalten has been working on taxonomies since 2000, after she graduated in Library and Information Science. Currently she is an independent taxonomy consultant and trainer with experience in more than 50 taxonomy, thesaurus, ontologies and knowledge graphs projects. Joyce is specialized in taxonomy management tools and the possibilities of metadata/taxonomy within information management systems. She frequently shares her knowledge via workshops, articles and talks at conferences, like the Taxonomy Boot Camps. She is also co-author on Taxonomies: Practical Approaches to Developing and Managing Vocabularies for Digital Information. Connect with Joyce online LinkedIn Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/o61K3hlMhK4 Podcast intro transcript This is the Content Strategy Insights podcast, episode number 199. Content practice and semantic practice often go hand in hand. In their long-time consulting partnership, Ilse Jonger and Joyce van Aalten have taken collaboration around content structure and semantic meaning to new heights. Whether they're spanning organizational silos, coaching clients on how to evangelize their work to other stakeholders, or implementing a change-management strategy,