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March 10, 2019 57 mins

This is the first interview episode of the conventioNOT podcast and features Dan, a long time leader who started the first three decades of his life on a really tough path. 

This hour long show gets deep into his story, which included more than a few run-ins with addiction and hard luck. Today, his 80+ person business dedicates itself to working with and helping recovering team members find their own happiness. 

Before we get into the happy parts - we spend some really serious time delving into the idea that spiraling out of control can be a real risk for anybody - even if things look okay from the outside in. 

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As mentioned in the show, Dan's email is: You can reach Mike & McD at 


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