October 12, 2018 • 29 mins
Taylor Stern, Jesse Holley and Dave Helman discuss the latest sideline OBJ explosions, Cowboys locker room frustrations and how they can bounce back.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What up, y'all? It is Friday at the cover four
Podcasts with Jesse Holly Dave Helmett. I'm Taylor starting Lindsey
Draper can't do with this today, but we'll miss her well, missr.
Dave's gonna sit in her suit to pretend to be
like her. Hey, guys, are you gonna check periscope for
us too? For questions? I'll read periscope for some nugs,
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for some little nugs, for some nugs. Jesse's got the
moves this morning? What is that Fortnite dance? How do
kids be doing? What is that? I don't know how
to do that. I like to think of myself as
a young man, but I have never played Fortnite. I
haven't either, I don't know anything about don't even own
a gaming system. I don't either. I don't know. I
don't know. I think Taylor's like, why are we talking
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about this? No? I mean people when I was on
the podcast and your people would literally call in and
they'd be like, like, hey, I played Cowboys Jags this
week on Madden and I saw, like, guys, if you
if you throw it up to Rico, oh, that will
actually be the key to this game. I don't know anything,
but I am a coach. Basically, I coached my son's
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you know, yeahhole team, throw it, throw the seam route
against cover two. It works every time. It is true.
It's true. It's like people literally, So I would always
be like I don't want to be like that. I
don't want to because I feel like I would be
that person to be like. Guys, guys, guys, I know
the truth here. This is how you do judging by
how absurdly into your fantasy football team you are. That's
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probably true. I know myself, so I'm just preventing that.
But somebody that we need to talk about because I
don't know what to think or say or do anything
is the man Odell Beckham junior. Last night football, they
got I don't want to say embarrassed because that sounds harsh,
but they just got dominated by the Eagles again. Embarrassed.
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Embarrassed that's a good word. That's a good I would
go with embarrassed. You think, yeah, yeah, no that that
listen when you when you that that offense is bad. Yeah,
outside of Sequon Barkley, who was magnificent, but Eli is terrible.
He's trash man. He is absolutely. Why why all the time?
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He's thirty seven years old, He's gotten decked ten million
times in the last four years, never missed a game
the Jet well until day sat him. Yeah, no, yeah,
I mean he's an iron man for sure. And I
would probably put Eli in the Hall of Fame when
it's all said and done. I know that's a controversial
opinion in Cowboyland, but he just he doesn't have it anymore. Man,
He does not He doesn't make good decisions, doesn't get
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the ball. There. Who's behind him, Tenny? Is that Alex
Tanney's there? I know? Yeah, they got they got rid
of Davis Webb and they um they had another guy?
Who'd they get rid of? What's what was the other guy? Tweet?
Smith was with the Jets. No, but and he was
with the Giants. Was they beached him last year for Gino? Yeah?
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What a weird I don't know which I don't I
don't Tandy's on the team. I was joking about this
last night, but like you know, everybody, including me, killed
the Giants for being too and not taking a quarterback
like ohs, running backs not going to save you. Well,
maybe they knew that because they're headed for another top
five pick, and they can get a quarterback this year.
They're like, you want to see a stack team, We'll
go ahead and stack this team up. They are going
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to have a shot to draft a quarterback, Like, there's
no doubt in my mind they're gonna be picking near
the top of the draft before they do that. Though,
is the locker room going to be destroyed because it's
already been destroyed? Well, just from the outside looking in.
And I know what people think about the Cowboys locker room,
and you know that being in it, and Dave, you've
seen it all. But you've seen it all, big fella.
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But I mean, just watching that, you're like, what is
wrong with this person? He's hitting his head against the fan,
He's just blowing up, leaving into the locker room early
late than Eli Apple. He's always kind of been explosive
as well, getting in fights with Landon Collins. Just why
can't these SEC guys get long? Wow? I actually I
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saw a tweet from a Giants B writer that I
really liked last night, and I'm I'm gonna defend Odell
Beckham every time because of where he went to school.
But punches you in the face now, I'd be like, yes, please, Odell,
punch me again whatever you need? Um, does this help
you play better? But his name's Art Stapleton. He's a
Giants b writer. He was like, let's make a list
of why the Giants stunk tonight and how far down
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the list do you have to go before you get
to Odell Beckham? But why does he take it so personally? Then?
Because he's just a competitor. I mean we've been around
the Cowboys for the last decade, right? Was I the
only person that was reminded of Dez Bryant in that situation? No,
he's a competitor. And the thing that when you put
in all this work, like there's a football is a
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three sixty five thing, Like we just watch it from
August until January February ish, but it doesn't stop there.
You know. You put it all this time, all this
money and getting your body right. Oh they'll missed a
lot of time last year with the ankle, with the
ankle injury. And when you go out there, you just
want to go out there and perform. You want to play,
You want to be the very best that you can.
And that position, the receiver position, is one of the
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positions where you have to have a bunch of people
do their stuff right in order for you to have success.
Lineman have to block, running back have to pick up
the blitz. Oh, the quarterback has to make the right
read and then make the right throw for you to
have success. And so when you're when you're a guy,
and there's a lot of ego in wide receivers like one,
uh I know, newsflash. One always says that, but like
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why be cut? Well, you've played the position. But if
you're an NFL wide receiver, you've probably been a badass
receiver since you were fifteen years old. You've been the
man because you score the touchdown. You've been the guy
that's carried your offense or been a big part of
it for ten years. And also to play wide receiver,
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you kind of gotta like the spotlight. You gotta like it.
Tension you do. And then after that and then when
things aren't going well for you, the guys on across
the ball, they're talking trash to you, like all game long, man,
shut up, you suck, you can't get open. I'm locking
you down. He's like, you're not locking me down. They're like,
he's not locking me down. If I wanted to get
an Odell's head, not I would just I would be like,
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what was what was his contract? Where I'd be like
ninety six million? Huh yeah, absolutely, he was like you
need to give that money back, bro, Like that. That
would infuriate me, Like that's one of the that's one
of the worst things you can say the receiver, like
they're they're overrated, or they like they overvalued you and
paid you too much money. You're not worth that contract, which, yeah,
and you see I mean those they say DEM's fighting
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words right there. It's a way smaller scale than Odell Beckham,
but like you're seeing that with Alan Herns and Cole
Beasley right now. They're like, hey, go turn on the tape.
I'm I'm doing my job. And I felt like before
the Hot Boys, Tyrone Crawford was very similar now too. Yeah,
I mean people were always calling out his money. There's
only one job in football that you can that's not
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even true. No, well, I was, I mean, there is
there is there a position in football that you can
adequately grade on TV copy. I was gonna say quarterback,
but even then, like you don't really know what he's
looking at. Maybe cornerback you think, yeah, maybe maybe say
that because it's either you covered him or you didn't.
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Oh yeah, if he's wide over your assignment, if if
you're not tackling this, like it's evident, like if a
guy's coming at you and I whiff on the tackle.
Allah a lot of more last year, right, Like, yeah,
you had to tackle, make the tackle, you whiff Although
I will say it's the same thing as wide receiver though,
like and that's Dez Bryant got so mad at Josh
Norman because he's like, go back and watch the tape,
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Like Norman's not doing his job. They're just not throwing
me the ball. So I don't know, See, that's hard
to watch on TV because the target. That's what I'm saying, though,
is it It's hard to know what's going on on
a football field watching a game on TV. So I
obviously this week the Cowboys had their own little mix
up Alan Hearns with his comments being misconstrued. And it's
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funny because we had talked to Alan in the off
season when he first came here. I don't mean to
cut you off where they misconstrued well, let me tell
you this. So so we had talked to him when
he first came here, and obviously he was on a
Jags team that was pretty bad for three years. He
was finally on that good one last year. Comes here
in the off season and Lindsay and I are talking
to him and we're like, you made the playoffs last year,
but still this media is nothing like you've ever seen, right,
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And he's like, I've never seen this. He's like, people
were friending my mom and talking to my family and
all these fan accounts started following me up myself. He's like,
I've never seen that, and I think that you see
this again and again. And David said it this week.
I'm nervous. Now he's going to be burned, you know,
because he's he was openly speaking, he was being candid,
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he was thinking he was in a trusting, you know, situation,
and now you see like people just want to hear
the cowboy's name. You know, that could have been tap
On Austin, that could have been Deonte Thompson, and it
was the Cowboys wide receivers and the issues that are there,
and it was attractive. Yeah, but I thought, I mean,
I thought Alan handled it the way he responded after.
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But yeah, I don't. I don't think he was misconstrued either,
which like it was. I really admired the way he
came back m Wednesday. Was it Wednesday? He was like, yeah,
it's pretty much what I said. I wasn't questioning the
play call. I'm just saying that's not the right play
to run against cover two, which I mean that's sort
of questioning the play. But whatever, um, I thought he
handled it really well. I think as far as like
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media firestorms go, that was a pretty minor one. But
and this is one of the parts. This is one
of the things that you you have when you bring
other guys from other teams like yeah, no, no, I
get what you're saying one percent. And Alan Hearns hasn't
kind of been through the Jason Garrett filter enough just
yet to know what to say, when to say, how
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to see it. Because you hear guys like Dak and
you hear guys like uh Ezekiel Elliott. There's certain guys
Sean Only who when when a controversial topic comes up,
they know how to say certain things that because they don't,
they won't get that guy Alan Hearns, who's fresh to
this city, fresh to this media fresh to this team
kind of didn't quite understand when you say something, especially
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when things aren't going well, it's going to be magnified
times ten. And I agree with Dave. It wasn't something
that he said that was controversial. He he spoke the truth.
But that's not always accepted. That's sure, that's not always
welcomed in these parts when you say certain things like that.
I hope, I hope he keeps doing him and doesn't
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I hope, you know, I hope Garrett gives him the
how to be boring playbook and he throws it away.
He won't be here alone. Well, that's fine, he's only
on a two year deal. Yeah, Yesterday, when we were
starting the show, we opened up with a sat of
Zeke talking about like there's no comfort in this locker
room when you're two and three in the National Football League,
and Jesse you were like, who is that? Who is that?
Who's that? Zeke? Like he's maturing before our eyes? Why
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do you keep feeling that way so differently than you've
seen him before? Who looking at Zeke? He was one
He never really spoke a lot, and then we always
talked about him getting in trouble or you know, getting
over a suspension. But now you start seeing little things
that he's doing, you know, the pregame warm ups. You're
hearing more in practice taking the leadership role, coming out
and speaking and saying kind of almost trying to nip
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it in the bus, saying, you know, no, there's no
comfort around here, but we aren't pointing fingers either, and
so like, those are things that are people saying that.
Are you know that that that's that's leadership type talk
right there, trying to you know, corral the group and
bring everybody together, to galvanize the group and say, no,
we're not comfortable, there's no comfort in the locker room,
but we're not fractured either. Yeah, but I believe that
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that locker room is becoming very fractured. Yeah, when guys
start talking about like singling out their groups, when they're saying,
we'll look at the tape, look at we're doing, and
guys are saying, no, look at we're doing. Because nobody
wants to be the blame anymore. So now gods are
starting to say, well, watch the film and look what
we're doing. That's just losing though, stead of being fractured,
but losing losing does that because now someone, when you lose,
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someone has to take the blame, right, There has to
be a scapegoat for somewhere. Some always like, yeah, when
you're winning, oh man's team effort, but that old line
block man, those hiva short man, that quarterback shoot through
it man, that defense shot. But when you're losing, it
becomes why are you losing? And now everything has always
been on this year has been offense. It's why, why why?
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And then you hear guys from the offensive line say,
you know, hey, we're holding up our ends of the deal.
You know, yeah, we missed some spots, but we're playing well.
And you hear you know, the quarterbacks saying you know,
I'm saying this, and you know, the receivers are saying, hey,
you gotta watch film. We're open. And that's just one
of those things where you start looking around and everybody's
defending their group. Everybody's saying, no, no, no, our group
is fine. No, we look at the tape, watch film.
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I agree, our group is doing just fine because nobody,
nobody wants the finger to be pointed at them. So
now you take your group and you defend your group.
This could be this could be not saying it is,
but it could be uncharted territory for the Cowboys because
they don't they don't do this, like twenty fifteen was
really the only year where they were just losing, losing, losing,
and they don't seem like other things too well, they
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didn't have Tony Romo like they I mean, you can
just point the finger at that, like we don't have
the guy that makes everything go. But this is the
team that they designed on purpose, like nothing not. I mean,
they don't have Travis Frederick. That sucks, but Joe Looney
is playing fine, like their season is not sunk because
Travis Frederick can't play, and shan Lee either and so this,
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for the most part, is the team that they put
together on purpose and they're still not winning and we
haven't seen I looked this up a couple weeks ago.
Jason Garrett has not let his team fall more than
one game below five hundred very often in his tenure.
I think it's only happened twice since he's been the
head coach. So which again, I mean, they could go
out and beat the Jags and start this whole cycle
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over again, but it could be uncharted territory if they're
trying to find answers for a truly losing team, you know,
if they're two and four, two and five, Like, we
haven't seen that around here. Yeah, that's That's what's so
annoying to me right now is that, you know, we
sat here two weeks ago Lions game and everyone's like
that here they are, they found it. Zeke's back, baby,
and it's like, Okay, that was just because Brett Maher
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has a pretty good leg, you know, And the fact
of the matter is is that you're right, Dave. It's
like they just trade off, trade off, trade off, So
like one week you're like Sky's falling. Next week you're
like NFC East Champions, and it's like what is this?
And I feel like it's frustrating probably to the media,
but way more to them because they're just like the
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down down and the fans. Yeah yeah, yeah. One week
you're like, Okay, Zeke's best because we've talked about it, Jesse.
This is so many good pieces on this team. I
mean just about Brett Maher, He's like surprisingly has the
third best I think field goal percentage in the entire NFL.
Zeke Elliott getting Russian were in Jones, all these different
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one corner of the league, Jalen and vander Esh to
Marcus Lawrence when he plays well, which has only been once,
Dak is pretty good. Just haven't seen it enough this year. Yeah,
it's just weird. You weren't I mean, you weren't here,
but Jesse remembers like you were on an eight and
eighteen a couple of them. Yeah, I mean, the most
frustrating thing our experience. Yeah, because when you go back
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and look at it, especially eight and eight teams, it
comes down to literally like three or four plays and
you go, man, if we would have made that play, yep,
we would be ten and six. If we had made
those plays, we would have been eleven and five. That's
the most frustrating thing about when you go this, this
Tito Chitlo type thing, is when you go back and
look at games, you go, bro, if we would have
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done this or we would have done that. We literally
and it'll come down to the end of the year
and then we'll miss the playoffs. And then you'll go
back and you'll well, we'll all do it. We'll go
back and we'll break down games and we'll go, man,
you guys, if you had made two plays right here,
this would have been the reason why we're in the playoffs.
And then you know, when you get in the playoffs,
anything could happen. Oh yeah. The difference between not being
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in the playoffs and being there last year was that
they gave up an eleven point lead to the Rams
in Week four. Yeah, like if they if they hold on,
they had a double digit lead. I know the Rams
are good, but double digit lead at home if you
hold onto it. You're trying trying to blame my boy
for that game, Oh, Ryan, Yeah, well he muffed the punt.
I mean, that's not why they lost. It happened in
the second quarter. They lost because they've just decided not
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to cover Girly going down the seam. Yeah but yeah,
but I mean that makes the difference when you're talking
about nine and seven, eight and eight. So how did
they take advantage of this confused Jags team? And I
say confused because I was reading some of the articles
on their site and it's so funny because we're talking like, Okay,
you know, this is what we need to do for
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the Cowboys, and they were talking like this is what
we need to do for the Jags and they're like,
re established Blake Bortles And that's so funny to me
because that's what he needs to do. But how do
you stop that? And then how does Zeke eat again?
To this defense? I feel way better answering the first
question than the second one. I mean, I'm not trying
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to be a smart alec, Like it's gonna be it's
gonna be a long day for Zeke and that doesn't
mean he won't be successful, Like he could have a
nice day, but he's gonna have to earn every yard
of it. Like this defense is nasty. And for the
first question, the difference between the Jaguars problems and the
Cowboys problems, they can almost pinpoint their problem, especially offensively.
It's Blake, right, so like we question is it the quarterback?
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Is it the line? Is it the tight ends? So
there's so many questions that we're trying to answer offensively
For the Cowboys, the Jags are like, oh, we know
what it is. We have to find a way to
get Blake Brotos to play better. And whether that be
called a different game, called different plays, they can pinpoint
exactly what their issue is the thing the Jags just
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need to get out of their own way. Like the
Cowboys are still searching for answers. The Jags are ten
total offense, Blake is throwing for three hundred yards a game.
They've just given the ball away twelve times in five weeks.
Like that's awful. It's by far the worst in the NFL.
Their defensive and he takes exactly So I mean, if
you want to beat the Jags, the defense has to
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pressure Blake Bortles into a bad game, like sack him,
forced fumble, pick him off, which you know they gotta
they gotta pick last week, so maybe they can build
off that, but he's that You gotta force him to
play a bad game because their offense moves, they just
can't ever convert it into points because they're slot. You
have to do to them what teams have been doing
to you. Ye shut off everything else and make Blake
Bortles beat you. Yeah, like that's what you have to do,
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Like literally take the blueprint that everyone has been doing
to you and saying take the runaway and make Dak
beat you with his arm. Do the same thing for
the Jaguars. Make Blake Bortles have to beat you with
his arm and I kind of think they can. Yeah,
they're good at that. I feel like I think they can.
They can force Blake into that. Like I don't, I
don't know. I have a hard time believing t J
Yelden is just gonna run wild. I might feel differently
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if my boy Lenny was playing in this game, but
he's not, thankfully, He's so awesome. He's so awesome, my
large adult son Linny. I know, yesterday we were doing
something in the locker room and Cheeto and Jordan Lewis,
who I just hope never change. They're just like the
best guys. Like we were talking about that organ runner
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in the video and we were kind of just talking
about like and Cheeto said something like almost immediately because
I was like, did you guys see this video? I
was just so taken back by it. And it's it's
the organ runner who gets the Nike contract Cerebral cerebral
pauls yeah, and it's just really moving just to see
the imagery of his reaction, and Cheeto goes, yeah, in
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this Cheeto, who's dealing with the ankle injury, he goes,
you know, I get some injuries and stuff, and this
guy's doing that, and I like, he immediately said that,
and I just thought, wow, you know that you don't
ever hear that from those guys because they want to
be the tough guys who like, I'll play through it,
I'll play the second half. But Cheeto felt so convicted.
I could really feel that he was being honest. He
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was like, yeah, I saw that guy like I get
these little injuries, and that's what he's going through and
overcoming it all perspective. Man. Always certain things like that
will put life and situations in a totally different perspective.
And sometimes we need that, like we need that that
self check every now and again because we get so
caught up in ourselves in this our stuff. Right. And
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they were like, well, man, this is happening and someone
soon saying this about me and this is not working well,
isn't it? And you go you watch that store and
you go, what the hell am I complaining about? Yeah?
What what are we doing? Throw me the ball more?
Even just yeah, I mean typical bs, like especially like
working here and just don't just being upset by the
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dumb rigamarole of life, like the restaurant I tried to
eat dinner ad on Tuesday, was closed. I was like,
hell sucks, it's so hard that I can do that.
I just want to see when Des did have that
crazy locker room explosion, and you know, it was like
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everywhere on television, and I remember I'd never seen something
like that, like someone be so explosive and people just silent.
And I remember I called my mom after work and
it's like, Mom, you'll never guess what happened today, Like
Des Bryant was so upset. He was like fighting with
a reporter and she's like, why is he mad? He's
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got lots of money. Like yeah, She's like, what about
And I was like, the passion of the game, Mom,
you don't understand. You don't get this life. Ball is life.
That's I mean, you know you hear people. It's like
when you're losing, people are like, oh man, I miss
miss high school football when it was just about the game,
which like yeah, but there's a lot of money at
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stake here, so people get mad when it doesn't go
the right way. The funny part about, like I guess
it's anywhere, but specifically here in Dallas. Locally, fans think,
especially when you're losing, they think nothing else in life
is supposed to go on from you yep like yep,
Like like literally, losing means I can't go to Walmart
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like I've I've had people when I was playing. I
would be like in the Walmart and I'm like, what
are you doing in here? Man? I'm like getting milk.
I needed like bread right out of tailet wipes. Yeah.
You Like, They're like, well, you should be watching film.
I'm like, did that for about three hours a day?
How much more film do you want me to watch? Like?
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I can only watch a certain amount of film, but
you know, hey can I They don't want you to
go to a movie. You can't go to the grocery
store kicking an oil chains like nothing functions if you're
losing in the DFW area if you're a cowboy. Yeah,
like Jordan Lewis earlier this week when he said, like
he's gonna pull up to people's office, pull up at
your death job. And imagine Dave. If Jordan just decided
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that he's gonna pick on Dave helm In today and
he comes up to your desk and he's like, deserve it?
What articles have you written today? Where's your column? I mean,
I know, like you forgot the come on those guys
know where I work? Maybe that Like I hope it doesn't,
but that would be funny if they did pull up.
How can we do? But like could you handle it
like five days in a row? I wouldn't want to.
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I don't know. I don't really want to find out
that would We should do? That should be a piece
of social content, like we should do like Hayten with
Jay Lou and just like bring him places like yeah,
I think he even said I was ready to say
about now, but he's no. He said he was like
I'm gonna pull up at McDonald's and tell you to
kill yourself because you didn't give me night chicken nuggets
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or something like that. Yeah, I don't know, but you
get the gist. But no, I'm say like we should
we literally that should we should find a way how
to make that some sort of something that we do
like the Cover four or something where we find people
who tweet cowboys, athletes, find them like like find them
on social media like, hey, this is this is David Hellma,
this is Jesse Holley's is Taylor Stern. We work for
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Cover four. Hey what do you work at? We want
to come and bring so and so there to kind
of do what you have them do to you, what
you've done to them. Your TPS report is trash, Greg, right,
it's trash. So that would sign up for that though,
Oh a ton of people to just but it would
be like in Jess where they like really take it seriously.
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A ton of people, like, a ton of people would
sign up for that. Pay If you can make it happen,
I'm all for it. If you get the player, I'll
do the rest. Get a player to agree to it,
and then you're gonna find all the tweets, get a player.
If you get a player to agree to it, I'll
do the rest. If who should we ask Jordan? I
mean one hundred percent it should be Jordan. He came
up with the idea. All right, that would be so funny,
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all right, yeah, no, okay, no, I knew I didn't
make this up, which I mean, okay, it's morbid, but
it's funny. Some guys like it comes with the territory
of being in the entertainment business. In your line in
your line of work, you get paid to perform. If
you perform well, you get praised and glories. If you underperform,
you get critiqued and criticized, and Jordan goes, bet, next
time my fries are sagi at Mickey D's, I'm gonna
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tell him to kill them, which like, but I get
his point because that's the type of horrible stuff people
pay applause say to athletes all the time. One thing
to I mean, if you want to take a job
at a guy on Twitter, that's kind of what it's
there for. But like, tone it down. It doesn't have
to be that serious, but it is all the time.
I like, all the time, Like people talk about, like
the nineties cowboys that their social media, and they're more
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talking about like what they would be sharing on social media.
But there's also that opposite effect, like these players now
have to adapt to a different type of fan voice
that they've never had before. I mean, anybody can reach
you now, like literally anybody in this world can comment
on your photo and say something that's either negative or positive,
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especially when you're in this fragile state as an athlete
who's you know, whole day is consumed by wanting to
be the best, right and so you know, back in
the nineties, could you imagine if Michael Irvin's getting on
Twitter because he probably knew there were some deals to
be made. There money to be made, and you get
on and people are just going in. He's I bet
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his tweets would be lit. He would be does he
would know? He would man, he was surpasses Well, no,
it would be yeah, no, no. The thing that he
would say back, Michael wouldn't have Michael back then would
have had zero filter. Yeah, zero, he barely has one now.
I know, man, when we played those cold weather games,
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we was cold, it was cold, we was cold. But
Michael Nate Knewton would have been funny. Uh Dion would
have been funny in his prime. Charles Haley, Oh god, Yeah,
it's for the best. It's for the best that those
guys didn't have cell phones, I know. But then you
have to give these guys credit for the fact that
they're adapting to that. Who are players right now? Yeah?
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Absolutely no. I people say terrible stuff to me, like
half of one percent as often as they do those guys,
and like that's not fun. So I can't even imagine
getting it all day every day. I know it's awful.
I get like, I'll get like four tweeps that are
like you did amazing today, loved the show, You're so great,
And I'll get one that's like bad look today, and
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I'll didn't didn't like the hair, yeah, and she sends
it to me and Lindsey like what the hell you
do that? And does hell, yeah, it sucks. I don't
like it when people it's crazy that like, and we
all come from different places in different backgrounds, like none
of that stuff bothers me, Like it doesn't. I don't know,
like if you like at the fan, like did we
have like the text thing up? And if you would
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see the things that people text in and say about you,
like literally it is nice. Oh they I mean they
say some nasty stuff. And I'm like, I'm laughing because
they'll say you suck. I hate listening to you. But
they'll say it for an hour and I go, you're
still listening, like you said you said I sucked for
an hour, but you never turned the station. They're tolos, Jesse.
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They turn it on and leave it on. That's what.
No matter what, right, no matter what. Um, my sister's
new song came out today, so I'll send it to you, Jesse.
Is it. I didn't know that my sister was really
related to me, he truly did not believe that a
nice little free pub for all, Alex Stern. I didn't.
I mean, because there's a there's a girl on Twitter
right now her literally her name is Jesse Holly. I
thought she was fake, but her real name, like she
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showed me her id her real name is j E
S s I E H L l E. Why no, Um,
but the paperwork wouldn't be heard at all. Yeah, Um,
so I didn't you know people in Stern line like
a difficult last name, like your name was like Snido Meyer,
Like I don't know if that's but I didn't think
that's sure. Stern's a pretty common name. I guess. I
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looked at her pictures. There was there was zero like
family pictures on her like nothing not on Twitter. Bro,
I have his Twitter. Yeah, well, all you show you
my phone? I was gonna say, like, just all you
need is to bring it up once and Taylor, I'll
show you like every childhood picture. Well good, I can
do that in literally ten seconds. Because we're out of time.
We missed you, Lynn. We'll have her back next Friday. Yeah,
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we missed her, we did, we did, we did, Thank
you Jesse Dave We'll be back Monday through Thursday for
a regular cover four five thirty pm. Thanks Ken Garrison
for the production
What up, y'all? It is Friday at the cover four
Podcasts with Jesse Holly Dave Helmett. I'm Taylor starting Lindsey
Draper can't do with this today, but we'll miss her well, missr.
Dave's gonna sit in her suit to pretend to be
like her. Hey, guys, are you gonna check periscope for
us too? For questions? I'll read periscope for some nugs,
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for some little nugs, for some nugs. Jesse's got the
moves this morning? What is that Fortnite dance? How do
kids be doing? What is that? I don't know how
to do that. I like to think of myself as
a young man, but I have never played Fortnite. I
haven't either, I don't know anything about don't even own
a gaming system. I don't either. I don't know. I
don't know. I think Taylor's like, why are we talking
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about this? No? I mean people when I was on
the podcast and your people would literally call in and
they'd be like, like, hey, I played Cowboys Jags this
week on Madden and I saw, like, guys, if you
if you throw it up to Rico, oh, that will
actually be the key to this game. I don't know anything,
but I am a coach. Basically, I coached my son's
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you know, yeahhole team, throw it, throw the seam route
against cover two. It works every time. It is true.
It's true. It's like people literally, So I would always
be like I don't want to be like that. I
don't want to because I feel like I would be
that person to be like. Guys, guys, guys, I know
the truth here. This is how you do judging by
how absurdly into your fantasy football team you are. That's
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probably true. I know myself, so I'm just preventing that.
But somebody that we need to talk about because I
don't know what to think or say or do anything
is the man Odell Beckham junior. Last night football, they
got I don't want to say embarrassed because that sounds harsh,
but they just got dominated by the Eagles again. Embarrassed.
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Embarrassed that's a good word. That's a good I would
go with embarrassed. You think, yeah, yeah, no that that
listen when you when you that that offense is bad. Yeah,
outside of Sequon Barkley, who was magnificent, but Eli is terrible.
He's trash man. He is absolutely. Why why all the time?
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He's thirty seven years old, He's gotten decked ten million
times in the last four years, never missed a game
the Jet well until day sat him. Yeah, no, yeah,
I mean he's an iron man for sure. And I
would probably put Eli in the Hall of Fame when
it's all said and done. I know that's a controversial
opinion in Cowboyland, but he just he doesn't have it anymore. Man,
He does not He doesn't make good decisions, doesn't get
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the ball. There. Who's behind him, Tenny? Is that Alex
Tanney's there? I know? Yeah, they got they got rid
of Davis Webb and they um they had another guy?
Who'd they get rid of? What's what was the other guy? Tweet?
Smith was with the Jets. No, but and he was
with the Giants. Was they beached him last year for Gino? Yeah?
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What a weird I don't know which I don't I
don't Tandy's on the team. I was joking about this
last night, but like you know, everybody, including me, killed
the Giants for being too and not taking a quarterback
like ohs, running backs not going to save you. Well,
maybe they knew that because they're headed for another top
five pick, and they can get a quarterback this year.
They're like, you want to see a stack team, We'll
go ahead and stack this team up. They are going
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to have a shot to draft a quarterback, Like, there's
no doubt in my mind they're gonna be picking near
the top of the draft before they do that. Though,
is the locker room going to be destroyed because it's
already been destroyed? Well, just from the outside looking in.
And I know what people think about the Cowboys locker room,
and you know that being in it, and Dave, you've
seen it all. But you've seen it all, big fella.
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But I mean, just watching that, you're like, what is
wrong with this person? He's hitting his head against the fan,
He's just blowing up, leaving into the locker room early
late than Eli Apple. He's always kind of been explosive
as well, getting in fights with Landon Collins. Just why
can't these SEC guys get long? Wow? I actually I
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saw a tweet from a Giants B writer that I
really liked last night, and I'm I'm gonna defend Odell
Beckham every time because of where he went to school.
But punches you in the face now, I'd be like, yes, please, Odell,
punch me again whatever you need? Um, does this help
you play better? But his name's Art Stapleton. He's a
Giants b writer. He was like, let's make a list
of why the Giants stunk tonight and how far down
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the list do you have to go before you get
to Odell Beckham? But why does he take it so personally? Then?
Because he's just a competitor. I mean we've been around
the Cowboys for the last decade, right? Was I the
only person that was reminded of Dez Bryant in that situation? No,
he's a competitor. And the thing that when you put
in all this work, like there's a football is a
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three sixty five thing, Like we just watch it from
August until January February ish, but it doesn't stop there.
You know. You put it all this time, all this
money and getting your body right. Oh they'll missed a
lot of time last year with the ankle, with the
ankle injury. And when you go out there, you just
want to go out there and perform. You want to play,
You want to be the very best that you can.
And that position, the receiver position, is one of the
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positions where you have to have a bunch of people
do their stuff right in order for you to have success.
Lineman have to block, running back have to pick up
the blitz. Oh, the quarterback has to make the right
read and then make the right throw for you to
have success. And so when you're when you're a guy,
and there's a lot of ego in wide receivers like one,
uh I know, newsflash. One always says that, but like
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why be cut? Well, you've played the position. But if
you're an NFL wide receiver, you've probably been a badass
receiver since you were fifteen years old. You've been the
man because you score the touchdown. You've been the guy
that's carried your offense or been a big part of
it for ten years. And also to play wide receiver,
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you kind of gotta like the spotlight. You gotta like it.
Tension you do. And then after that and then when
things aren't going well for you, the guys on across
the ball, they're talking trash to you, like all game long, man,
shut up, you suck, you can't get open. I'm locking
you down. He's like, you're not locking me down. They're like,
he's not locking me down. If I wanted to get
an Odell's head, not I would just I would be like,
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what was what was his contract? Where I'd be like
ninety six million? Huh yeah, absolutely, he was like you
need to give that money back, bro, Like that. That
would infuriate me, Like that's one of the that's one
of the worst things you can say the receiver, like
they're they're overrated, or they like they overvalued you and
paid you too much money. You're not worth that contract, which, yeah,
and you see I mean those they say DEM's fighting
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words right there. It's a way smaller scale than Odell Beckham,
but like you're seeing that with Alan Herns and Cole
Beasley right now. They're like, hey, go turn on the tape.
I'm I'm doing my job. And I felt like before
the Hot Boys, Tyrone Crawford was very similar now too. Yeah,
I mean people were always calling out his money. There's
only one job in football that you can that's not
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even true. No, well, I was, I mean, there is
there is there a position in football that you can
adequately grade on TV copy. I was gonna say quarterback,
but even then, like you don't really know what he's
looking at. Maybe cornerback you think, yeah, maybe maybe say
that because it's either you covered him or you didn't.
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Oh yeah, if he's wide over your assignment, if if
you're not tackling this, like it's evident, like if a
guy's coming at you and I whiff on the tackle.
Allah a lot of more last year, right, Like, yeah,
you had to tackle, make the tackle, you whiff Although
I will say it's the same thing as wide receiver though,
like and that's Dez Bryant got so mad at Josh
Norman because he's like, go back and watch the tape,
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Like Norman's not doing his job. They're just not throwing
me the ball. So I don't know, See, that's hard
to watch on TV because the target. That's what I'm saying, though,
is it It's hard to know what's going on on
a football field watching a game on TV. So I
obviously this week the Cowboys had their own little mix
up Alan Hearns with his comments being misconstrued. And it's
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funny because we had talked to Alan in the off
season when he first came here. I don't mean to
cut you off where they misconstrued well, let me tell
you this. So so we had talked to him when
he first came here, and obviously he was on a
Jags team that was pretty bad for three years. He
was finally on that good one last year. Comes here
in the off season and Lindsay and I are talking
to him and we're like, you made the playoffs last year,
but still this media is nothing like you've ever seen, right,
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And he's like, I've never seen this. He's like, people
were friending my mom and talking to my family and
all these fan accounts started following me up myself. He's like,
I've never seen that, and I think that you see
this again and again. And David said it this week.
I'm nervous. Now he's going to be burned, you know,
because he's he was openly speaking, he was being candid,
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he was thinking he was in a trusting, you know, situation,
and now you see like people just want to hear
the cowboy's name. You know, that could have been tap
On Austin, that could have been Deonte Thompson, and it
was the Cowboys wide receivers and the issues that are there,
and it was attractive. Yeah, but I thought, I mean,
I thought Alan handled it the way he responded after.
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But yeah, I don't. I don't think he was misconstrued either,
which like it was. I really admired the way he
came back m Wednesday. Was it Wednesday? He was like, yeah,
it's pretty much what I said. I wasn't questioning the
play call. I'm just saying that's not the right play
to run against cover two, which I mean that's sort
of questioning the play. But whatever, um, I thought he
handled it really well. I think as far as like
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media firestorms go, that was a pretty minor one. But
and this is one of the parts. This is one
of the things that you you have when you bring
other guys from other teams like yeah, no, no, I
get what you're saying one percent. And Alan Hearns hasn't
kind of been through the Jason Garrett filter enough just
yet to know what to say, when to say, how
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to see it. Because you hear guys like Dak and
you hear guys like uh Ezekiel Elliott. There's certain guys
Sean Only who when when a controversial topic comes up,
they know how to say certain things that because they don't,
they won't get that guy Alan Hearns, who's fresh to
this city, fresh to this media fresh to this team
kind of didn't quite understand when you say something, especially
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when things aren't going well, it's going to be magnified
times ten. And I agree with Dave. It wasn't something
that he said that was controversial. He he spoke the truth.
But that's not always accepted. That's sure, that's not always
welcomed in these parts when you say certain things like that.
I hope, I hope he keeps doing him and doesn't
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I hope, you know, I hope Garrett gives him the
how to be boring playbook and he throws it away.
He won't be here alone. Well, that's fine, he's only
on a two year deal. Yeah, Yesterday, when we were
starting the show, we opened up with a sat of
Zeke talking about like there's no comfort in this locker
room when you're two and three in the National Football League,
and Jesse you were like, who is that? Who is that?
Who's that? Zeke? Like he's maturing before our eyes? Why
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do you keep feeling that way so differently than you've
seen him before? Who looking at Zeke? He was one
He never really spoke a lot, and then we always
talked about him getting in trouble or you know, getting
over a suspension. But now you start seeing little things
that he's doing, you know, the pregame warm ups. You're
hearing more in practice taking the leadership role, coming out
and speaking and saying kind of almost trying to nip
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it in the bus, saying, you know, no, there's no
comfort around here, but we aren't pointing fingers either, and
so like, those are things that are people saying that.
Are you know that that that's that's leadership type talk
right there, trying to you know, corral the group and
bring everybody together, to galvanize the group and say, no,
we're not comfortable, there's no comfort in the locker room,
but we're not fractured either. Yeah, but I believe that
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that locker room is becoming very fractured. Yeah, when guys
start talking about like singling out their groups, when they're saying,
we'll look at the tape, look at we're doing, and
guys are saying, no, look at we're doing. Because nobody
wants to be the blame anymore. So now gods are
starting to say, well, watch the film and look what
we're doing. That's just losing though, stead of being fractured,
but losing losing does that because now someone, when you lose,
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someone has to take the blame, right, There has to
be a scapegoat for somewhere. Some always like, yeah, when
you're winning, oh man's team effort, but that old line
block man, those hiva short man, that quarterback shoot through
it man, that defense shot. But when you're losing, it
becomes why are you losing? And now everything has always
been on this year has been offense. It's why, why why?
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And then you hear guys from the offensive line say,
you know, hey, we're holding up our ends of the deal.
You know, yeah, we missed some spots, but we're playing well.
And you hear you know, the quarterbacks saying you know,
I'm saying this, and you know, the receivers are saying, hey,
you gotta watch film. We're open. And that's just one
of those things where you start looking around and everybody's
defending their group. Everybody's saying, no, no, no, our group
is fine. No, we look at the tape, watch film.
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I agree, our group is doing just fine because nobody,
nobody wants the finger to be pointed at them. So
now you take your group and you defend your group.
This could be this could be not saying it is,
but it could be uncharted territory for the Cowboys because
they don't they don't do this, like twenty fifteen was
really the only year where they were just losing, losing, losing,
and they don't seem like other things too well, they
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didn't have Tony Romo like they I mean, you can
just point the finger at that, like we don't have
the guy that makes everything go. But this is the
team that they designed on purpose, like nothing not. I mean,
they don't have Travis Frederick. That sucks, but Joe Looney
is playing fine, like their season is not sunk because
Travis Frederick can't play, and shan Lee either and so this,
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for the most part, is the team that they put
together on purpose and they're still not winning and we
haven't seen I looked this up a couple weeks ago.
Jason Garrett has not let his team fall more than
one game below five hundred very often in his tenure.
I think it's only happened twice since he's been the
head coach. So which again, I mean, they could go
out and beat the Jags and start this whole cycle
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over again, but it could be uncharted territory if they're
trying to find answers for a truly losing team, you know,
if they're two and four, two and five, Like, we
haven't seen that around here. Yeah, that's That's what's so
annoying to me right now is that, you know, we
sat here two weeks ago Lions game and everyone's like
that here they are, they found it. Zeke's back, baby,
and it's like, Okay, that was just because Brett Maher
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has a pretty good leg, you know, And the fact
of the matter is is that you're right, Dave. It's
like they just trade off, trade off, trade off, So
like one week you're like Sky's falling. Next week you're
like NFC East Champions, and it's like what is this?
And I feel like it's frustrating probably to the media,
but way more to them because they're just like the
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down down and the fans. Yeah yeah, yeah. One week
you're like, Okay, Zeke's best because we've talked about it, Jesse.
This is so many good pieces on this team. I
mean just about Brett Maher, He's like surprisingly has the
third best I think field goal percentage in the entire NFL.
Zeke Elliott getting Russian were in Jones, all these different
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one corner of the league, Jalen and vander Esh to
Marcus Lawrence when he plays well, which has only been once,
Dak is pretty good. Just haven't seen it enough this year. Yeah,
it's just weird. You weren't I mean, you weren't here,
but Jesse remembers like you were on an eight and
eighteen a couple of them. Yeah, I mean, the most
frustrating thing our experience. Yeah, because when you go back
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and look at it, especially eight and eight teams, it
comes down to literally like three or four plays and
you go, man, if we would have made that play, yep,
we would be ten and six. If we had made
those plays, we would have been eleven and five. That's
the most frustrating thing about when you go this, this
Tito Chitlo type thing, is when you go back and
look at games, you go, bro, if we would have
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done this or we would have done that. We literally
and it'll come down to the end of the year
and then we'll miss the playoffs. And then you'll go
back and you'll well, we'll all do it. We'll go
back and we'll break down games and we'll go, man,
you guys, if you had made two plays right here,
this would have been the reason why we're in the playoffs.
And then you know, when you get in the playoffs,
anything could happen. Oh yeah. The difference between not being
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in the playoffs and being there last year was that
they gave up an eleven point lead to the Rams
in Week four. Yeah, like if they if they hold on,
they had a double digit lead. I know the Rams
are good, but double digit lead at home if you
hold onto it. You're trying trying to blame my boy
for that game, Oh, Ryan, Yeah, well he muffed the punt.
I mean, that's not why they lost. It happened in
the second quarter. They lost because they've just decided not
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to cover Girly going down the seam. Yeah but yeah,
but I mean that makes the difference when you're talking
about nine and seven, eight and eight. So how did
they take advantage of this confused Jags team? And I
say confused because I was reading some of the articles
on their site and it's so funny because we're talking like, Okay,
you know, this is what we need to do for
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the Cowboys, and they were talking like this is what
we need to do for the Jags and they're like,
re established Blake Bortles And that's so funny to me
because that's what he needs to do. But how do
you stop that? And then how does Zeke eat again?
To this defense? I feel way better answering the first
question than the second one. I mean, I'm not trying
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to be a smart alec, Like it's gonna be it's
gonna be a long day for Zeke and that doesn't
mean he won't be successful, Like he could have a
nice day, but he's gonna have to earn every yard
of it. Like this defense is nasty. And for the
first question, the difference between the Jaguars problems and the
Cowboys problems, they can almost pinpoint their problem, especially offensively.
It's Blake, right, so like we question is it the quarterback?
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Is it the line? Is it the tight ends? So
there's so many questions that we're trying to answer offensively
For the Cowboys, the Jags are like, oh, we know
what it is. We have to find a way to
get Blake Brotos to play better. And whether that be
called a different game, called different plays, they can pinpoint
exactly what their issue is the thing the Jags just
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need to get out of their own way. Like the
Cowboys are still searching for answers. The Jags are ten
total offense, Blake is throwing for three hundred yards a game.
They've just given the ball away twelve times in five weeks.
Like that's awful. It's by far the worst in the NFL.
Their defensive and he takes exactly So I mean, if
you want to beat the Jags, the defense has to
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pressure Blake Bortles into a bad game, like sack him,
forced fumble, pick him off, which you know they gotta
they gotta pick last week, so maybe they can build
off that, but he's that You gotta force him to
play a bad game because their offense moves, they just
can't ever convert it into points because they're slot. You
have to do to them what teams have been doing
to you. Ye shut off everything else and make Blake
Bortles beat you. Yeah, like that's what you have to do,
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Like literally take the blueprint that everyone has been doing
to you and saying take the runaway and make Dak
beat you with his arm. Do the same thing for
the Jaguars. Make Blake Bortles have to beat you with
his arm and I kind of think they can. Yeah,
they're good at that. I feel like I think they can.
They can force Blake into that. Like I don't, I
don't know. I have a hard time believing t J
Yelden is just gonna run wild. I might feel differently
(18:58):
if my boy Lenny was playing in this game, but
he's not, thankfully, He's so awesome. He's so awesome, my
large adult son Linny. I know, yesterday we were doing
something in the locker room and Cheeto and Jordan Lewis,
who I just hope never change. They're just like the
best guys. Like we were talking about that organ runner
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in the video and we were kind of just talking
about like and Cheeto said something like almost immediately because
I was like, did you guys see this video? I
was just so taken back by it. And it's it's
the organ runner who gets the Nike contract Cerebral cerebral
pauls yeah, and it's just really moving just to see
the imagery of his reaction, and Cheeto goes, yeah, in
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this Cheeto, who's dealing with the ankle injury, he goes,
you know, I get some injuries and stuff, and this
guy's doing that, and I like, he immediately said that,
and I just thought, wow, you know that you don't
ever hear that from those guys because they want to
be the tough guys who like, I'll play through it,
I'll play the second half. But Cheeto felt so convicted.
I could really feel that he was being honest. He
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was like, yeah, I saw that guy like I get
these little injuries, and that's what he's going through and
overcoming it all perspective. Man. Always certain things like that
will put life and situations in a totally different perspective.
And sometimes we need that, like we need that that
self check every now and again because we get so
caught up in ourselves in this our stuff. Right. And
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they were like, well, man, this is happening and someone
soon saying this about me and this is not working well,
isn't it? And you go you watch that store and
you go, what the hell am I complaining about? Yeah?
What what are we doing? Throw me the ball more?
Even just yeah, I mean typical bs, like especially like
working here and just don't just being upset by the
(20:46):
dumb rigamarole of life, like the restaurant I tried to
eat dinner ad on Tuesday, was closed. I was like,
hell sucks, it's so hard that I can do that.
I just want to see when Des did have that
crazy locker room explosion, and you know, it was like
(21:07):
everywhere on television, and I remember I'd never seen something
like that, like someone be so explosive and people just silent.
And I remember I called my mom after work and
it's like, Mom, you'll never guess what happened today, Like
Des Bryant was so upset. He was like fighting with
a reporter and she's like, why is he mad? He's
(21:28):
got lots of money. Like yeah, She's like, what about
And I was like, the passion of the game, Mom,
you don't understand. You don't get this life. Ball is life.
That's I mean, you know you hear people. It's like
when you're losing, people are like, oh man, I miss
miss high school football when it was just about the game,
which like yeah, but there's a lot of money at
(21:49):
stake here, so people get mad when it doesn't go
the right way. The funny part about, like I guess
it's anywhere, but specifically here in Dallas. Locally, fans think,
especially when you're losing, they think nothing else in life
is supposed to go on from you yep like yep,
Like like literally, losing means I can't go to Walmart
(22:14):
like I've I've had people when I was playing. I
would be like in the Walmart and I'm like, what
are you doing in here? Man? I'm like getting milk.
I needed like bread right out of tailet wipes. Yeah.
You Like, They're like, well, you should be watching film.
I'm like, did that for about three hours a day?
How much more film do you want me to watch? Like?
(22:34):
I can only watch a certain amount of film, but
you know, hey can I They don't want you to
go to a movie. You can't go to the grocery
store kicking an oil chains like nothing functions if you're
losing in the DFW area if you're a cowboy. Yeah,
like Jordan Lewis earlier this week when he said, like
he's gonna pull up to people's office, pull up at
your death job. And imagine Dave. If Jordan just decided
(22:57):
that he's gonna pick on Dave helm In today and
he comes up to your desk and he's like, deserve it?
What articles have you written today? Where's your column? I mean,
I know, like you forgot the come on those guys
know where I work? Maybe that Like I hope it doesn't,
but that would be funny if they did pull up.
How can we do? But like could you handle it
like five days in a row? I wouldn't want to.
(23:20):
I don't know. I don't really want to find out
that would We should do? That should be a piece
of social content, like we should do like Hayten with
Jay Lou and just like bring him places like yeah,
I think he even said I was ready to say
about now, but he's no. He said he was like
I'm gonna pull up at McDonald's and tell you to
kill yourself because you didn't give me night chicken nuggets
(23:40):
or something like that. Yeah, I don't know, but you
get the gist. But no, I'm say like we should
we literally that should we should find a way how
to make that some sort of something that we do
like the Cover four or something where we find people
who tweet cowboys, athletes, find them like like find them
on social media like, hey, this is this is David Hellma,
this is Jesse Holley's is Taylor Stern. We work for
(24:01):
Cover four. Hey what do you work at? We want
to come and bring so and so there to kind
of do what you have them do to you, what
you've done to them. Your TPS report is trash, Greg, right,
it's trash. So that would sign up for that though,
Oh a ton of people to just but it would
be like in Jess where they like really take it seriously.
(24:21):
A ton of people, like, a ton of people would
sign up for that. Pay If you can make it happen,
I'm all for it. If you get the player, I'll
do the rest. Get a player to agree to it,
and then you're gonna find all the tweets, get a player.
If you get a player to agree to it, I'll
do the rest. If who should we ask Jordan? I
mean one hundred percent it should be Jordan. He came
up with the idea. All right, that would be so funny,
(24:45):
all right, yeah, no, okay, no, I knew I didn't
make this up, which I mean, okay, it's morbid, but
it's funny. Some guys like it comes with the territory
of being in the entertainment business. In your line in
your line of work, you get paid to perform. If
you perform well, you get praised and glories. If you underperform,
you get critiqued and criticized, and Jordan goes, bet, next
time my fries are sagi at Mickey D's, I'm gonna
(25:07):
tell him to kill them, which like, but I get
his point because that's the type of horrible stuff people
pay applause say to athletes all the time. One thing
to I mean, if you want to take a job
at a guy on Twitter, that's kind of what it's
there for. But like, tone it down. It doesn't have
to be that serious, but it is all the time.
I like, all the time, Like people talk about, like
the nineties cowboys that their social media, and they're more
(25:28):
talking about like what they would be sharing on social media.
But there's also that opposite effect, like these players now
have to adapt to a different type of fan voice
that they've never had before. I mean, anybody can reach
you now, like literally anybody in this world can comment
on your photo and say something that's either negative or positive,
(25:49):
especially when you're in this fragile state as an athlete
who's you know, whole day is consumed by wanting to
be the best, right and so you know, back in
the nineties, could you imagine if Michael Irvin's getting on
Twitter because he probably knew there were some deals to
be made. There money to be made, and you get
on and people are just going in. He's I bet
(26:11):
his tweets would be lit. He would be does he
would know? He would man, he was surpasses Well, no,
it would be yeah, no, no. The thing that he
would say back, Michael wouldn't have Michael back then would
have had zero filter. Yeah, zero, he barely has one now.
I know, man, when we played those cold weather games,
(26:32):
we was cold, it was cold, we was cold. But
Michael Nate Knewton would have been funny. Uh Dion would
have been funny in his prime. Charles Haley, Oh god, Yeah,
it's for the best. It's for the best that those
guys didn't have cell phones, I know. But then you
have to give these guys credit for the fact that
they're adapting to that. Who are players right now? Yeah?
(26:55):
Absolutely no. I people say terrible stuff to me, like
half of one percent as often as they do those guys,
and like that's not fun. So I can't even imagine
getting it all day every day. I know it's awful.
I get like, I'll get like four tweeps that are
like you did amazing today, loved the show, You're so great,
And I'll get one that's like bad look today, and
(27:15):
I'll didn't didn't like the hair, yeah, and she sends
it to me and Lindsey like what the hell you
do that? And does hell, yeah, it sucks. I don't
like it when people it's crazy that like, and we
all come from different places in different backgrounds, like none
of that stuff bothers me, Like it doesn't. I don't know,
like if you like at the fan, like did we
have like the text thing up? And if you would
(27:37):
see the things that people text in and say about you,
like literally it is nice. Oh they I mean they
say some nasty stuff. And I'm like, I'm laughing because
they'll say you suck. I hate listening to you. But
they'll say it for an hour and I go, you're
still listening, like you said you said I sucked for
an hour, but you never turned the station. They're tolos, Jesse.
(27:58):
They turn it on and leave it on. That's what.
No matter what, right, no matter what. Um, my sister's
new song came out today, so I'll send it to you, Jesse.
Is it. I didn't know that my sister was really
related to me, he truly did not believe that a
nice little free pub for all, Alex Stern. I didn't.
I mean, because there's a there's a girl on Twitter
right now her literally her name is Jesse Holly. I
thought she was fake, but her real name, like she
(28:20):
showed me her id her real name is j E
S s I E H L l E. Why no, Um,
but the paperwork wouldn't be heard at all. Yeah, Um,
so I didn't you know people in Stern line like
a difficult last name, like your name was like Snido Meyer,
Like I don't know if that's but I didn't think
that's sure. Stern's a pretty common name. I guess. I
(28:41):
looked at her pictures. There was there was zero like
family pictures on her like nothing not on Twitter. Bro,
I have his Twitter. Yeah, well, all you show you
my phone? I was gonna say, like, just all you
need is to bring it up once and Taylor, I'll
show you like every childhood picture. Well good, I can
do that in literally ten seconds. Because we're out of time.
We missed you, Lynn. We'll have her back next Friday. Yeah,
(29:02):
we missed her, we did, we did, we did, Thank
you Jesse Dave We'll be back Monday through Thursday for
a regular cover four five thirty pm. Thanks Ken Garrison
for the production
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