April 2, 2025 • 46 mins
Derek Eagleton, Ambar Garcia and Bryan Broaddus discuss rule changes from the NFL owners meeting as well as discuss position analysis.
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I got everybody here today except for Nick. He is
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he'll be back with us next week.
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But for right now, I got my other two co hosts,
Amber and Brian, and we'll take this time to bring
you the very best in Cowboys news, notes and analysis
during this next forty five minutes. Today, we're going to
start with some rule changes NFL had their owners meetings.
There were quite a few rules changes, and I want
to run through them with you guys and get your
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opinions on them. Some of the different rules changes that
were proposed were tabled. I want to get your opinions
on those as well, and then we'll get back into
some of our position analysis, our position breakdown that we
started last week with Today, we're going to focus in
on safety and wide receiver. Both those two I think
are pretty interesting and have some interesting things for the
Cowboys from the standpoint of where they are and where
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they need to be when the season begins. So let's
jump in. Let's start first with some of the rules changes.
I think the first one that jumped out at me
was the change to the overtime rules as it stands. Basically,
I think the the original rule, the rule that they've
been playing by it before, they had one rule for
the regular season, one rule for the postseason. They've now
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basically said, we're gonna make the one that we use
in the postseason the regular season rule with one modification.
So essentially, both teams will get a possession in overtime,
they'll be guaranteed a possession in overtime. But he was
the interesting kicker. And I've never heard this being discussed before.
It sounds like they're going to reduce the overtime from
fifteen minutes down to ten minutes, yes, which I think
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is pretty significant. And to start thinking about it from
from the standpoint of if you hit that ten minute
mark and there's still is a tie, you now have
a tie on your record. How do you like it
or dislike this this new rule?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think that you know, the league is doing their
best to try and kind of figure these rules out.
Stephen Jones plays a significant role on the Competition Committee,
and I think Steven does have the best interest of
the game in heart, and you know, when you talk
to him about it, it's something he takes very seriously.
And you know, I think you know, as a fan,
you just want want your team to have the best
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opportunity in overtime. We've seen so many times when you know,
we've seen reactions of you know, of quarterbacks at Baker
Mayfield when they're playing Kansas City and they go to
overtime and they lose the flip and his reaction to
it is, oh my gosh, we just gave the ball
to Patrick mahomes and we're done, you know, and and
and that's and that's a reaction we have as fans, like, Okay,
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we're done. Uh so yeah, the fact that they're they're
going to the what the playoff rules, I think is
a is a good a good measure if you have ties.
The things that are always interesting about ties, guys, is
that at the end of the year sometimes they play
into factor of deciding playoff spots and maybe keeping a
team eligible or knocking a team out. So you know,
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there was a time, way before you guys were born,
when I was watching football that ties were part of
the game. So yeah, it's but the fact that each
team gets a possession and uh you know, but there
may be some you know, think about this also too.
You score, but you take all the clock and you
really don't give any other team an opportunity. That's something
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that could be really, really a very a painful thing
for a lot of fans to have to deal with
if you're on the short end of that.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Yeah, nothing else I hate more in sports when there
is a tie at the end of the game, like
that is just go do rock paper sits or at
that point, I don't care but I need someone to
be the winner. So I think that this new structure,
I think it just brings and I agree with everything
that Brian just said, but it also brings that fairness
to it. There's a lot more fairness in the game,
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and you allow it to be more competitive. It is
one of those situations, just like you mentioned with Patrick
Mahomes that yeah, those type of quarterbacks, You're like, Okay,
they got the ball. You know it's gonna work. You
know where it's at it, Yeah, there's no chance. So
I think it does give it a more baalid right
to whoever ends up. It's just a lot more fair
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in that sense. Also, with the time being lower, I
feel like typically it doesn't take that long for you
to herman who wins that game when it goes into overtime.
But also it doesn't drag it along that much either,
because when you get to that point and going into
overtime it's you know, four quarter that's a long time
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for players to be out there. It gets exhausting and
all of that. So I think I'm not too big
on the even though it's five minutes difference, it's a
big difference there. If it ever gets to a scenario
like that. But I like the rule, and just like
Brian said too, these situations, it's always them trying new things,
different things, and kind of testing it out and see
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what actually works better and what doesn't, and always keeping
in mind one the fairness of the game and two
the health of the players when they're playing out there.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Yeah, I'll be interested to see if if this ends
up leading to more ties because of the reduction in time.
Like you said, Brian, there is a sign and there's
a chance that a team could take pretty much the
entire overtime period. You can get a drive that's a
good eight nine minutes and then you leave the other
team with very little time to be on score, especially
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if you can end that with a touchdown. I just
I don't want. I want to do whatever it takes
in order to ensure there are fewer ties and there
are as few ties ties as possible. I agree with
you Amber, like you don't want to sit through three
hours of football, three and a half hours of football
and then go home feeling like my team did they win?
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Did they lose? Like it's just it's a limbo. I
don't like ties. I think it's better to get a
winner or a loser. And so for me, I like
the rule change where both teams get a possession. I
don't love the idea of taking it from fifteen down
to ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, the thing that could be, you know, and the
league has proven that if they do get a bunch
of ties, say in a season, if they implement this
the next year, they will do something different. Yeah they will.
They will not sit there and just continually like, Okay,
we're going to have you know, seven or eight ten
ties or something like that. We're just not They're not
going to allow that. So they'll adjust as they see fit.
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That part of it I think is pretty good. You know,
it's funny they talk about, you know, the player safety
and taking it down five minutes, but man, they will
argue like heck for that eighteenth game. So you know,
there's there's gonna be some type of trade off here.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
I will tell you this though, if they go to
eighteen games, yeah, what I what I would love about
that is I think in the in the scenarios I've
heard says they would then do two bye weeks in
eighteen game season. And if you give me eighteen games,
but you give me two bye weeks. Actually we have
a lot better. That makes me a lot better.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
We do.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I know when I first started working with there
was a time where we did we had the two
bye weeks. I believe that we were kind of going through. So, yeah,
it makes it a little bit, you know, it makes
it a little bit of a longer season and all that.
But and I in a way, I kind of feel
like the season's long. I know, I was at the
super Bowl in New Orleans and I felt like baseball
was right around the corner, you know, kind of thing.
So but yeah, the league and the players, we're aways
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from that right now. Yeah, but it's it's coming.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
But see to your point with the ten minute thing,
the reason why I actually do like it is because one,
with getting the both teams get a position, you bring
the fairness to it. But then with the time being reduced,
it also allows you to be strategic, like whoever has
the ball, they can take that to their advantage. And
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it's still a fair game here, but it just doesn't
prolong it as long. But I mean, I still agree
with you with it. And then with a tie and
all that, But at the end of the day, I
think that's when the strategic part of it in the
game and how you utilize and how you can kill
time doing that, you can use it to your advantage
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if you're good at it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah. The thing that I think the thing you would
worry about though, is if you're a team that that
that gave up the lead to get into overtime, then
all of a sudden, now you're maybe your defense is
wore down and your and then the other team gets
the ball and then they go on a drive and
then they and you know, now they're like, okay, we
figured out we got this game tied. Now we've wore
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you down, and how we can run the ball now?
And and strategically you could say we could score here
and give them, you know, give them two minutes, maybe
a minute, and then now you know, the momentum is
clearly with the team that's kind of maybe got to
the tie. So yeah, there's a lot of strategy that
you can you can do here.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
There's a very interesting strategic point of who wants the
ball first, who wants before, and almost all that the
ball second, because you want to know what you have
to match. And in this instance you might think the
same thing, but the reality is you could also have
if you give them the ball first, you may not
get the ball back because they may take a majority
of the time.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So there's a lot to factor into this strategically.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't want to drag us down your way down,
but I'll discuss this, Derek. You know, you and I
do watch a lot of college football, and you know
I do like the collegiate rules of overtime, and you know,
and I was my team at LSU suffered and the
rules were changed after a seven overtime game against Texas
A and M to where it came, okay, possession, possession,
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and then after possession became you could kick the extra point,
and then after the second one it was you got
to go for two. You could get some games that
can end, you know, pretty quickly there too, you know,
having to go for two. I think it brings more
excitement to the game, you know, the fact that it
can your team get a stop with the other team
being on the twenty five yard line. And there's some
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teams that aren't very good at red zone offense. You know,
you might play to your advantage, or you might be
a really good red zone defense. I think the collegiate
way of deciding the game, to me, is more exciting,
and I would I wondered why the NFL would never
look at that way because that that is a an
interesting way to end a game. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I think it brings a level of sudden death. That's yes,
you know you every every play of that overtime and
your team might score. Yeah, but now let's see what
the other team can do. Can they match it?
Speaker 7 (10:55):
You know?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
It's it creates a lot of extra drama in game.
So I actually sometimes getting those games like that seven
overtime game where you literally like, okay, somebody in this
this is too well.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
David helm and I were standing there. We were hoping
that LSU would find a way to end it, and
Texas A and M wouldn't allow it. Yeah, so yeah,
it's and they changed the rules. But I think you know, score,
kick the extra point, then have to go for two.
After that, You're going to see teams come up with
creative ways to try and run two point plays to
win a football game. I just think it brings a
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more more exciting element then trying to run the clock
completely down and give the other team no chance. All right,
let's move on. Let's talk about the kickoffs. That the
touchback is now being moved. Instead of being going to
the thirty yard line automatically, it now moves to the
thirty five yard right. Some would say that that's only
five yards, but it actually, I think is a pretty
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pretty significant thing when you think about the fact you
only need a twenty twenty five yards to be able
to get in a field goal range. For Dallas needs
ten Dallas Dallas to get one first down there in
field goal range. So yeah, you know, yeah, you're right,
And like I said, I mean interrupt you there, it's
just but yeah, to me, it's it's going to you know,
do you want to I think there's some teams that
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will still kick the ball out of the end zone.
Playing the Cowboys, I think if you look at what
Turpin was able to do as a returner, you know,
bring he could bring the ball out past the thirty
five I mean, I I me, personally, I'm not gonna
let him bring the ball out to the fifty yard line.
I's capable of doing that. I'm just gonna kick it
into the end zone and make you play and make
myself play defense at the thirty five. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
If anything that it helps, anything that will help Cavanti
Turpin get the ball in his hands. Yeah, frequently, I'm four.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I think things teams might still opt for teams that
have a player like Cavante Turpin. They maybe say, hey, we'll.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Take thirty, We'll take the thing now the killer.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
As you mentioned, the big deal is you also have
a kicker who can kick from a long That's where
it's very interesting dynamic for the Cowboys that maybe other
teams don't have. Is the range of a kicker in
combined with a really great cat kick returner. That will
make it a bit more of a chat challenging decision
for opponents.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
It's a double edged sore, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I was like, what.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
We got in both ways? No, No, it's exciting. It's
exciting because I remember the times where that wasn't the case,
where you had players that you couldn't necessarily rely on
when it came to those plays and special teams. So uh,
very very benefiting for the house.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
This was another rules change I thought was really interesting.
They've expanded replay assists, so essentially what people don't know
what that term is. It's basically when the booth can
make a call from the booth.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Or call down face mask yeah on the zone.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So there are.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Five different rules now, and there are five different penalties
that the booth can overturn from the booth. They are
hitting the defensives player face mask, horse collar, tackle, tripping, roughing,
or running into the kicker.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm okay with that? I mean, I you know, and
we all watch foot and I remember a game where
Minnesota was playing against the Rams late in the year
and there was a clear face mass penalty, you know,
on on Sam Darnell and and you know, and and
they and the officials missed it. And you know, the
Vikings were trying to drive and and they but they
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missed the call. And so here you are, you know,
your team, you know, if you're in that situation, you're like, oing, gosh,
how how do you miss that call? You know? I
always the roughing the kicker and the running into the
kicker one I don't quite know. I guess if you
just completely destroy the the punter, it's you know, or
it's roughing, And if you just kind of run into
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I guess because there's sometimes it's called one way or another.
I think I need some help there, you know, I
think some of sometimes the officials, some officials just are
just they're adamant, like now that's running into that's no,
that's actually roughing. Last week I watched the game that
was roughing. So yeah, anything to do with that kind
of help I think makes the game better.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
One thing to note, Brian, in that scenario, they actually
wouldn't have reversed it. The new rule as I read it,
says that they won't make a call from the booth.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They can only correct a call.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
So let's say, for example, in that instance, if there
was a face mask that was not.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Called, the booth won't call it for them.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
What they will do, though, is if there is a
face mask pause and they didn't really get again they
really didn't get the face mask.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Now the booth can call down and say it's not
and to be honest.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
With you, so they changed the bad calls.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yes, they'll take a bad call. They will make a
call for you.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That I was the depression that you could if there
was a call that like, listen, you guys clearly blatantly
missed the call here.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
So I think that's better, Brian, I actually agree with you.
I think they should do that. I think I do
think that becomes a bit of a challenge because you know,
you know the old adage broke used been offensive lineman.
You know that, Yeah, there's a there's a penalty probably
on every place. So if you have somebody in the
booth who's just literally making a call every time they
see it, the game would slow down to it.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Also, we're dynamic when it comes to the referees, like
down there on the field, and then all of a
sudden you got somebody saying, hey, you missed this one,
and then you got to It's very difficult to be
to make it be seem less and not well mess
up the game.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Flow, you know, Amber, I think that the officials nowadays
have gotten better in a way of understanding that there's
replay that will back them up. Like we've seen quarterbacks
get hit in the pocket and the ball like clearly
ball in hand, flying forward and the next thing you
know is that should be an incomplete pass and now
beanbags are flying in as they're calling it a fumble,
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and I think of let it out. They let it
play out. The officials are like, listen, we're going to
call it a fumble until somebody upstairs tells us ball
in hand it was forward motion, So you know that's
there's a lot of those calls where you're like, that's
not a fumble, but the officials are like, hey, I
know I have replay backing me up that if I
make this calling it's wrong, it's going to change and
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we're going to move on. I'm okay with that too.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
The one area I think is it glaring omission for
me is I would love for roughing the passer to
also be included in this How many times do we
see calls where they say roughing the passer and then
you look at the replants like, oh, he really didn't. Yeah,
he kind of rushed his shoulder, but it looked maybe
like he hit him in the head because his head
snapped because of the violent hit to his shoulder. I
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just think those are situation where I would love because
because it's so punitive, I would love for those to
be plays that they could overturn from the booth.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The roughing the passer penalty that that's the most that
I understand the most is when you go low on
a on a quarterback if you go into the knee
area and stuff and try and those are the ones.
I understand the ones had that, but that's again player safety.
For you know, if you're a defensive lineman and you're
coming through and you're trying to swat at the ball
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and you hit the quarterback in the head, the rules
are pretty clear you can't hit the quarterback in the head,
you know, but maybe some of those can be you know,
maybe changed.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I feel like we're a lot in recent years. What
are we're playing flag football here? Like what are we doing?
Like is this football or not? Like I think it's
going to I can't recall one game specifically, but I
know there are being quite a few that we've seen.
You're like, this is getting out of control, Like this
is ridiculous with some of those calls that are being called,
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like for a guy for example, Micah and the way
that they're rushing and getting those sacks. So I think
I agree with you, Derek. I mean, hopefully eventually in
the future that's something that can continue to improve.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, this is another one with Brian.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I think the college game may happen a little bit
with the targeting call for instance, I think I don't
love the idea of getting the player based out getting
kicked out until the next like the four quarters.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I don't love that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But I do think the idea of if you're going
to do something so punitive, at least allow it to
be reviewed and by somebody on camera to say, yes.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
This definitely was roughing the passer, this definitely was targeting.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Or if it's not, because we've seen that also happen
where you go and you look at you like, that
really wasn't targeting, and so they'll overturn it. Players, fine,
I think you should do the same thing with something
like you know, rough in the passy.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
For years, being around you guys for years, I've and
again I don't watch much college football whatsoever you guys do.
But here's where I'm always confused. You guys always bring
college football and the way that it's managed and handled.
Why is it so Why is it so different than NFL? Like,
if they see things that are being successful ye in college,
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why not apply it into the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's television. It's a three hour game as opposed to
a four hour game. That's it to me. There's a
lot of the college rules that would apply to the NFL.
They have a specific window of how they stagger games
and stuff like that. And I don't think the NFL
wants games going four hours. I really really don't. So
that's why I think there's a lot of things there
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that say, Okay, we have to keep our game within
that twelve to three, and then the next one is
three to six, and then the next one is too
And I think that's why a lot of these some
of these not these rules and these rule changes aren't
always the same. I just don't think that the NFL
wants a four hour or five hour game on Sunday,
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and I think that's why they don't do some of
the things that they do.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And let's be clear, like it's just two completely different
bodies running them, with different interests and different things they're considering.
And so it's not going to ever be a situation
where the NFL is like, Okay, well let's look at
the college game and see how we can get closer,
or the college games and look at say, let's look
at the NFL games, see how we can get closer.
They exist as two different bodies, they're two different leagues,
two different bodies, and so they're always going to operate separately,
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which means their rules are going to evolve in different ways,
and sometimes you will see a rule happened in one
that precipitates a rule in the other. Like I think
targeting became an issue after the NFL started talking about
player safety from the standpoint of hitting depensiless receivers, hitting
quarterbacks late, and the college response to that was targeting,
We're going to protect this particular We're gonna protect players
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from this particular action.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And as a result, these will be the punitive rules.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
So they were trying to do the same things, they
just did it in different ways, right, the penalties were
different in college versus then.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
As we kind of wrap this up, though, I kind
of feel like, though that to me, the one rule
i'd like to see change that the colleges do do
in the NFL maybe adopt is pass interference. That is,
and you use the word punitive, that that is one
of the most punitive penalties that you could ever endure,
either for you or against you. You know, mainly against you.
If you know forty four forty five fifty yard penalties
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for pass interference. To me, you know, the rules really
do favor offensive football. You have to give the defense
something as far as rules go, and to me, a
fifteen yard you know penalty is significant. I mean, are
excusing is sufficient for my take because, like I say,
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you know so, past interference is just Sometimes it's called correctly,
sometimes it's called incorrectly. You get a forty four yard
penalty against you that's been called incorrectly. That is big.
That is big. I'd like to see the NFL adopt that.
I don't think they ever will.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
All right, we're gonna take our first break. We're gonna
come back. We're gonna talk safeties, lots to talk about there.
We'll be back, Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
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let's talk to safeties.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
This is a.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Position that I think, on paper, seems to be one
of the more stable positions on the team. You got
Malie Cooker, you got Donovan Wilson. They've been starters for
a few years. They are both back, they're both under contract.
Neither one is, as we know, holding out or anything.
So it seems like it's a very stable position. But
that being said, they have some young guys Yanye Thomas,
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Marquee spell Israel Makuamu. Do you think that this is
a position that really is that why I should say
it like this?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Or does Dallas really need to do more at this
position than just rely on Malie Cooker and Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, Derek, I think the fact that you know that
I know, I've heard you know from thirty visits potentially
for the Cowboys with mcuba from the University of Texas
safety very I love outstanding safety, six foot eighty six pounds.
He can cover, h he tackles, he gets his hands
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on the football, playmaker this guy. I mean, Texas has
got a very good secondary and you know, with with
Baron and mcuba and Muhammad, they've got some guys that
can absolutely play.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Cat babies was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, and so yeah, So to me, this is this
is one of those things that the Cowboys were talking
about it as we seem to be okay here, everything's fine. No,
they really you know, if they could upgrade Hooker and
they could upgrade Wilson and with a guy like maccuba. Absolutely,
you know this is this is where I think, And
now how early would you have to do this? Forty four?
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I think mccouba is one of the best safety.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Second round guy in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Absolutely, you would have to hit him in the second
round if you're interested in doing this, and they might
absolutely consider that because of all the things I just
talked about, find me a guy can you can you
say with certainty Hooker really covers, Wilson really covers where
they tackle really really well. Boy, they get their hands
on a lot of balls. That's that's that's all very
much up for debate. Yeah, so no, I think that
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it's if you want to ask me a position that
people aren't talking about near enough for this football team. Safety,
that's one as far as drafting goes. Yes, I think
they're open to that. And the fact that they've identified
but Kuba as one of those guys, I think that's
a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Honestly, I think I would be okay with the great
and I agree with Brian, you definitely need if you
can upgrade the position, for sure, But I would be
okay with the group of guys that Derek mentioned and
listed if I felt a lot better about the cornerback position.
I feel that the corners right now, you we need
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to fix what's going on there. Right now, you don't
really have much, I mean other than there On Bland,
that's a solid guy, proven. You got Trevon Diggs that's
coming back from the injury. There's still a lot of
question marks surrounding him and everybody else. Aside from those
two persons, you still don't know how well can they
you know, turn.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Out to though.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Does he does Elm factor in that for you at all?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah? I think that to me, if where I would
if you're if if Matt Eberflus is going to play
a lot of press coverage, man up you know and
play that's where Elam really that's his strength. You ask
him to play zone or off carverage. But I agree
with with Ambar there there are so many questions that
at corner, and I think Elam addresses the spot of
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a size guy with physicality that could play up. You know,
they could play that press. If you're going to play
a lot of zone, man Ambar's right, you better go
get you some corners. You don't know with Diggs, I
mean we're seeing clips of digs working and all that.
That's that's super positive. You know that he can. You
know that he wants to to get back on the
field as quickly as possible. But man, you know there's
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reasons why that. Teams, our people have talked about Dallas
at a corner at twelve. You know Will Johnson from
Michigan six too, you know, two hundred and six pounds.
I mean, there there are some conversations about these guys,
and this is a very deep draft when it comes
to corners, whether you want to get a guy with
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size or you want to get a guy that's a
nickel player. So Dallas is absolutely, I believe in the
market for for looking just what Amber said, you know, hey,
this is you're really down to it. You would feel
a lot better if if Carson had played better last year,
you know, but the learning curve, the injuries, all those problems,
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he just didn't get that. Hopefully this offseason will be
good for him. But you know, we've heard this before.
We've done it with the wide receivers. Oh we want
these wide receivers. Oh they're going to make a jump
and all that. You say that and then they get
in the season and they really don't make that jump,
So she's absolutely right about it.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Well, and then with Alan, I mean we talked about
the experience that he has and all that, but again
it's still you haven't seen it here yet, so there's
still question marks around that and how this new system like,
how everything's going to start coming together and clicking. And
with safeties, I think I always see it as a
supporting role right to the corners. So I think with
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you not being as solid as you would like to
be in the cornerback, sorry, in the cornerback position, now
you're leaving these safeties, forcing them or putting them in
a quote unquote bad position where they're having to do
a lot more, trying to do more than what maybe
they're capable of at the time based on the current
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talent that the team has. So absolutely if there is
an opportunity to upgrade the position, for sure, But if
you upgrade cornerback and get that group really solid where
you feel good about it, I think I would feel
a lot better about the curring guys on the roster
when it comes to the safeties.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Okay, we weren't supposed to talk about cornerbacks yet, what
kind of go. But what we're gonna do is we're
just gonna shift because that's what Amber brought us and
that's what we're gonna do. So that being said, here's
my question on cornerback. What do you think right now?
Like there, I hear what you're saying, Amber, and I
agree wholeheartedly. The bigger concern for me right now is
who is your day one slot? Because you know you
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could possibly move land in. You just create one problem.
You just basically take a problem from one place to
put in another. But who is the slot? Who's the
guy that's going to be your third cornerback? At this point,
I don't even know if they have a real option
right now for that person.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
And does that necessitate really at the Cowboys have to
maybe look at the first at least the first two
picks to find a corner because they're gonna need him
to play this.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, there's the options that the options at twelve and
forty four are clearly there, depending on and we'll see
what will Johnson. I mentioned him before it at Michigan.
What you know he's going to run. There's several corners
that have first round ability that are on that board.
But the problem is there some of them are coming
off injury. Revell from East Carolina might be the best
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corner in the draft, but he hurt his knee, you know,
to start the season, missed the entire year. Morrison from
Notre Dame has a has a hip problem, but you know,
fine player in his own right, probably a first round player.
Could one of these guys show up at forty four
for the Cowboys? You know, there's there's people that you
know sometimes they they these corners will fall through the
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draft if they're banged up a little bit, and and
Revel could be a guy. Boy, that would be just
a huge steal for the Cowboys if all of a sudden,
say they were to take a receiver at twelve, and
then all of a sudden one of those corners are
there at at forty four, boy, that would be that
would that would be just you know, you couldn't ask
from a better gift from the draft GUIDs if that
was the case. But yeah, this to your point, Derek,
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there's there's going to be guys that are going to
be able to fill the nickel role that maybe you
can't grab in the third round. You know, Perish from
Kansas State is an example of that. Mohammed from Oregon. Guy,
these are shorter guys. These are five ten, five nine guys,
but extremely quick, but able to kind of cover all
that ground. They might be in the market of having
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to draft their corner or their draft their nickel because
the middle of the now. Not having a fourth round
pick as you sit right now, you know, maybe they
can't find a way to get that back or get
an extra three if they move down a few spots,
and that's where you would maybe address your secondary as well.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Let me shift the conversation just a tiny bit more.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
You want to talk about guards, Yeah, you talk about.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
It's still about the corners. No, it's still about the corners,
but it was gonna I wanted to pose a different
questions to you guys and take it as sick.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
They don't have starters right now.
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Derek tv On, We know he got injured last season
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before the break throw back out there.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Well, you were asking about the squad and we talked
about the need there, but I wanted to post the
other question in regards to Tremon Diggs and what was
your final assessment of him and the way that he
was playing last year when he was healthy on the field.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You got a thought on that one, boss.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
I know I heard a lot of people giving him
a lot of criticism. I don't know that I necessarily
feel like it was always warranted. Now, that's the thing
about cornerback. You're not going to be perfect. Like every
cornerback is going to have moments. We did see him
in some moments last season where he got beat, but
that's also a part.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Of being a cornerback.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
My question is more around like, did we see the
kind of game changing plays that we had seen his
in earlier years of his career, and I don't think
we saw those as much.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Now.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Could that be because teams weren't throwing at him as much?
I don't know, but that would be more. What I
would question is when it came down to those game
changes plays, I don't think those were there as much
as they've been in the past. And I'm interested to
see if that was just a function of how teams
were playing against him, the level of competition against him.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Or just his ability to actually make those plays.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, I think to me, there was there was far
too many of these plays where you saw receptions, you know,
you saw like you know, you're kind of I think
there was. He gave up thirty three of them, I
think last year when he was playing and and you're like,
why is he not up? Why is he not more connected?
(38:38):
Why is he not And we've all we've seen him
at times be he's one of those guys that tends
to play on field. You know, he kind of can,
he could run with guys, he could stay in position.
He's we've seen him before. He's very much and when
it comes to putting himself into position to make plays,
he could do that. A lot of his interceptions are
input himself or maybe the ball just kind of comes
(39:00):
to him, and but that's part of putting yourself in position.
I think there were too many times last year where
you watched him in the route and it just you
just felt he watching him. You felt he was really
disconnected that you know, it was the catch and now
he's driving the catch and now he's driving. And in
times past where we've seen him play really really tight
drive on the ball, knock the ball down, it might
(39:21):
have had to do with his knee. It might have
had to do with some confidence or lack of confidence
that he could really explode and go make a player
go run with the guy inside. But there were just
far too many snaps last year where he just played disconnected,
and you know that that's something I think that was
the biggest concern for me.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
And I can't remember the games, but there were it
seems like there were like at least two or three
times last year when he was in position the ball
came and it hit his hands and hit the ground,
and in the past that would have been an interception, right,
And that's those were the areas where I was more like, again,
I don't I don't mind my corner getting beat from times,
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like I think that's just a part of the game.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
You play good wide.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Receivers, you're gonna get beat. The What I love about
Diggs's game is he makes you pay though. Yeah, you
might beat him some, but he's gonna get you. And
when he gets you, he's gonna make a game changing
type play. So in order for him to have that
style of game and be as valuable as he is
as he has been to this team, that means he's
gonna have to make those big plays going the other way.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
So when he gets those opportunities and.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
The ball gets there and he's there and his hands
are there, he's got to come away with the ball.
And that's where I was a little bit like, ugh,
that's that's not like Diggs. That's not that's not like him.
He makes that play usually he plays cornerback like a receiver.
And so that those are the things I think the
stick out to me more last year than even the
times when he got beat And.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I think some of the things that came up to
were the miss tackles. You know that that was something
when the ball would spill and then there's times when
he would be physical and step up. But you know,
if you go and look at the metrics, you know
he was credited with twelve miss tackles last year.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
And that's my concern. Like when you talk about his
game and he one of the biggest criticisms towards him
is his lack of physicality when it comes to tackling
and that, oh, is he just afraid of tackling And
now that he got paid and all that, well, that's
the question mark for me because even last year when
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you look at his game. I think it's safe to
say that it took a decline, like his game decline
then from what he was prior to that and after
him getting injured. Now you add the injury part to it,
and now it becomes even more concerning with him coming back.
(41:38):
What is the level that he's going to come back
to and how that's gonna look like. And so it's
just an extra added element to the lack of let's say,
who's going to play at the slot position there, and
it's just lots of question mark. The only guy that
I feel very secure is their own Bland right now.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I mean, I think here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
I want to see, how tenacious uh Trayvon is in
coming back from the injury. How how much does he
attack the rehab how much does he does he really
kind of get out there and push it to get
him Because I have no doubt in Trayvon's ability. He's
shown it the level of capability that he has. And
I don't you know that, Yes we can. You can
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talk about the plays that you know from a tackling
standpoint where maybe it wasn't great, But at the end
of the day, what I know about the guys. When
he's playing at his at his top level, he can
be one of the best cornerbacks in the National Football League.
So my question is, just if whatever we saw last
year was remnants of the knee from the year before
or whatever it was, can he attack this rehab in
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a way to where he gets himself ready and next
time he's on the field he is mentally and physically
at top notch best case, I mean, best version of
Trayvon Diggs, then I think he can be again one
of the best cornerbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
And so that's what I'll be looking for.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I know he's capable, it's just a question of whether
it ends up being that once he's back on the field.
All right, let's uh, let's move on. Let's talk a
little bit more. Actually we got a we only got
a couple of minutes here real quick.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Before we end. I did have a question back on
the quote on the topic of safeties.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
What are the chances that some of those younger guys
like Thomas Bell and Makuamo actually overtake Hooker or Wilson,
uh for starting jobs or even for more playing time.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, it's always a possibility. I I know visit with
Mike Zimmer last year before the season started. He was
a very he was a fan of Hooker and he
was a fan of of Wilson. And that's why you
saw those guys get the opportunities. Kind of a step
back for Bell, you know, we saw Bell. Bell was
when you're leading tackler the year before, playing linebacker, hang linebacker,
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playing out a position, you're kind of thinking, well, man,
how can you keep a guy off the field. That
that's tough, you know, And you know, Mike had his
reasons for why he wanted to play Hooker and why
he wanted to play Wilson, and you know, and so
you know that's that's fine, you know, but no longer here,
Matt Eberflu's here, and we'll see hopefully that Bell and
Thomas both get opportunity this year. And but the fact
(44:10):
that they're they're talking to or the possibly of bringing
guys in for you know, thirty visits that are that
are high quality safeties, tells me that Eberflus might be like, listen,
we could upgrade a couple of different spots. You might
want to upgrade the starters and the backups will get
an opportunity I think that there's some things about Bell
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that are that in coverage and toughness and all that,
you can absolutely play him, and you could do the
very same with Thomas. Thomas is a really good cover guy.
So I think that we're I wouldn't I would put
the starters of Hooker and Wilson in pencil right now.
I would not put them in pen I would I would.
(44:53):
I think that position is is very much in in
in flux right now, which will see when we get
to opening day. You know who exactly the starters are.
I think they have some questions about that.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Yeah, I totally agree with those two guys. Yeah, those
would be right now, the two at the top. But
what's cool about this as far as these guys and
the opportunities is that they have a legit chance of
actually going out there training camp competing for a legit
spot or even starting spot. So nothing is solidified right now.
I think anyone in the list right now can fight
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for a spot and make their name known. And again
we'll see what happens during the draft and who else
comes into the mix here, but anyone on the list
right now has a good fighting chance.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
There's Quale in this draft, though, there's as you follow
the three days here in Dallas Cowboys dot Com, there
are quality safeties in their quality corners. If they want
to address those positions, you should feel good about them
getting one or two guys out of that group that
can make a difference on your football team.
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All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We will
be back next Tuesday. We'll have a more content for
you guys. We'll be talking I'm sorry next Wednesday. Sorry,
next Wednesday, and we'll talk about wide receiver and probably
another position.
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We'll see if we have enough time for that one.
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We'll see how it goes and see if Amberg throws
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We'll see for Brian brod us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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I got everybody here today except for Nick. He is
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he'll be back with us next week.
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But for right now, I got my other two co hosts,
Amber and Brian, and we'll take this time to bring
you the very best in Cowboys news, notes and analysis
during this next forty five minutes. Today, we're going to
start with some rule changes NFL had their owners meetings.
There were quite a few rules changes, and I want
to run through them with you guys and get your
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opinions on them. Some of the different rules changes that
were proposed were tabled. I want to get your opinions
on those as well, and then we'll get back into
some of our position analysis, our position breakdown that we
started last week with Today, we're going to focus in
on safety and wide receiver. Both those two I think
are pretty interesting and have some interesting things for the
Cowboys from the standpoint of where they are and where
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they need to be when the season begins. So let's
jump in. Let's start first with some of the rules changes.
I think the first one that jumped out at me
was the change to the overtime rules as it stands. Basically,
I think the the original rule, the rule that they've
been playing by it before, they had one rule for
the regular season, one rule for the postseason. They've now
(02:07):
basically said, we're gonna make the one that we use
in the postseason the regular season rule with one modification.
So essentially, both teams will get a possession in overtime,
they'll be guaranteed a possession in overtime. But he was
the interesting kicker. And I've never heard this being discussed before.
It sounds like they're going to reduce the overtime from
fifteen minutes down to ten minutes, yes, which I think
(02:27):
is pretty significant. And to start thinking about it from
from the standpoint of if you hit that ten minute
mark and there's still is a tie, you now have
a tie on your record. How do you like it
or dislike this this new rule?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think that you know, the league is doing their
best to try and kind of figure these rules out.
Stephen Jones plays a significant role on the Competition Committee,
and I think Steven does have the best interest of
the game in heart, and you know, when you talk
to him about it, it's something he takes very seriously.
And you know, I think you know, as a fan,
you just want want your team to have the best
(03:02):
opportunity in overtime. We've seen so many times when you know,
we've seen reactions of you know, of quarterbacks at Baker
Mayfield when they're playing Kansas City and they go to
overtime and they lose the flip and his reaction to
it is, oh my gosh, we just gave the ball
to Patrick mahomes and we're done, you know, and and
and that's and that's a reaction we have as fans, like, Okay,
(03:22):
we're done. Uh so yeah, the fact that they're they're
going to the what the playoff rules, I think is
a is a good a good measure if you have ties.
The things that are always interesting about ties, guys, is
that at the end of the year sometimes they play
into factor of deciding playoff spots and maybe keeping a
team eligible or knocking a team out. So you know,
(03:43):
there was a time, way before you guys were born,
when I was watching football that ties were part of
the game. So yeah, it's but the fact that each
team gets a possession and uh you know, but there
may be some you know, think about this also too.
You score, but you take all the clock and you
really don't give any other team an opportunity. That's something
(04:04):
that could be really, really a very a painful thing
for a lot of fans to have to deal with
if you're on the short end of that.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Yeah, nothing else I hate more in sports when there
is a tie at the end of the game, like
that is just go do rock paper sits or at
that point, I don't care but I need someone to
be the winner. So I think that this new structure,
I think it just brings and I agree with everything
that Brian just said, but it also brings that fairness
to it. There's a lot more fairness in the game,
(04:32):
and you allow it to be more competitive. It is
one of those situations, just like you mentioned with Patrick
Mahomes that yeah, those type of quarterbacks, You're like, Okay,
they got the ball. You know it's gonna work. You
know where it's at it, Yeah, there's no chance. So
I think it does give it a more baalid right
to whoever ends up. It's just a lot more fair
(04:53):
in that sense. Also, with the time being lower, I
feel like typically it doesn't take that long for you
to herman who wins that game when it goes into overtime.
But also it doesn't drag it along that much either,
because when you get to that point and going into
overtime it's you know, four quarter that's a long time
(05:15):
for players to be out there. It gets exhausting and
all of that. So I think I'm not too big
on the even though it's five minutes difference, it's a
big difference there. If it ever gets to a scenario
like that. But I like the rule, and just like
Brian said too, these situations, it's always them trying new things,
different things, and kind of testing it out and see
(05:37):
what actually works better and what doesn't, and always keeping
in mind one the fairness of the game and two
the health of the players when they're playing out there.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Yeah, I'll be interested to see if if this ends
up leading to more ties because of the reduction in time.
Like you said, Brian, there is a sign and there's
a chance that a team could take pretty much the
entire overtime period. You can get a drive that's a
good eight nine minutes and then you leave the other
team with very little time to be on score, especially
(06:06):
if you can end that with a touchdown. I just
I don't want. I want to do whatever it takes
in order to ensure there are fewer ties and there
are as few ties ties as possible. I agree with
you Amber, like you don't want to sit through three
hours of football, three and a half hours of football
and then go home feeling like my team did they win?
(06:27):
Did they lose? Like it's just it's a limbo. I
don't like ties. I think it's better to get a
winner or a loser. And so for me, I like
the rule change where both teams get a possession. I
don't love the idea of taking it from fifteen down
to ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, the thing that could be, you know, and the
league has proven that if they do get a bunch
of ties, say in a season, if they implement this
the next year, they will do something different. Yeah they will.
They will not sit there and just continually like, Okay,
we're going to have you know, seven or eight ten
ties or something like that. We're just not They're not
going to allow that. So they'll adjust as they see fit.
(07:04):
That part of it I think is pretty good. You know,
it's funny they talk about, you know, the player safety
and taking it down five minutes, but man, they will
argue like heck for that eighteenth game. So you know,
there's there's gonna be some type of trade off here.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
I will tell you this though, if they go to
eighteen games, yeah, what I what I would love about
that is I think in the in the scenarios I've
heard says they would then do two bye weeks in
eighteen game season. And if you give me eighteen games,
but you give me two bye weeks. Actually we have
a lot better. That makes me a lot better.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
We do.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I know when I first started working with there
was a time where we did we had the two
bye weeks. I believe that we were kind of going through. So, yeah,
it makes it a little bit, you know, it makes
it a little bit of a longer season and all that.
But and I in a way, I kind of feel
like the season's long. I know, I was at the
super Bowl in New Orleans and I felt like baseball
was right around the corner, you know, kind of thing.
So but yeah, the league and the players, we're aways
(07:56):
from that right now. Yeah, but it's it's coming.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
But see to your point with the ten minute thing,
the reason why I actually do like it is because one,
with getting the both teams get a position, you bring
the fairness to it. But then with the time being reduced,
it also allows you to be strategic, like whoever has
the ball, they can take that to their advantage. And
(08:20):
it's still a fair game here, but it just doesn't
prolong it as long. But I mean, I still agree
with you with it. And then with a tie and
all that, But at the end of the day, I
think that's when the strategic part of it in the
game and how you utilize and how you can kill
time doing that, you can use it to your advantage
(08:40):
if you're good at it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah. The thing that I think the thing you would
worry about though, is if you're a team that that
that gave up the lead to get into overtime, then
all of a sudden, now you're maybe your defense is
wore down and your and then the other team gets
the ball and then they go on a drive and
then they and you know, now they're like, okay, we
figured out we got this game tied. Now we've wore
(09:01):
you down, and how we can run the ball now?
And and strategically you could say we could score here
and give them, you know, give them two minutes, maybe
a minute, and then now you know, the momentum is
clearly with the team that's kind of maybe got to
the tie. So yeah, there's a lot of strategy that
you can you can do here.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
There's a very interesting strategic point of who wants the
ball first, who wants before, and almost all that the
ball second, because you want to know what you have
to match. And in this instance you might think the
same thing, but the reality is you could also have
if you give them the ball first, you may not
get the ball back because they may take a majority
of the time.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So there's a lot to factor into this strategically.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't want to drag us down your way down,
but I'll discuss this, Derek. You know, you and I
do watch a lot of college football, and you know
I do like the collegiate rules of overtime, and you know,
and I was my team at LSU suffered and the
rules were changed after a seven overtime game against Texas
A and M to where it came, okay, possession, possession,
(10:04):
and then after possession became you could kick the extra point,
and then after the second one it was you got
to go for two. You could get some games that
can end, you know, pretty quickly there too, you know,
having to go for two. I think it brings more
excitement to the game, you know, the fact that it
can your team get a stop with the other team
being on the twenty five yard line. And there's some
(10:24):
teams that aren't very good at red zone offense. You know,
you might play to your advantage, or you might be
a really good red zone defense. I think the collegiate
way of deciding the game, to me, is more exciting,
and I would I wondered why the NFL would never
look at that way because that that is a an
interesting way to end a game. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I think it brings a level of sudden death. That's yes,
you know you every every play of that overtime and
your team might score. Yeah, but now let's see what
the other team can do. Can they match it?
Speaker 7 (10:55):
You know?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
It's it creates a lot of extra drama in game.
So I actually sometimes getting those games like that seven
overtime game where you literally like, okay, somebody in this
this is too well.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
David helm and I were standing there. We were hoping
that LSU would find a way to end it, and
Texas A and M wouldn't allow it. Yeah, so yeah,
it's and they changed the rules. But I think you know, score,
kick the extra point, then have to go for two.
After that, You're going to see teams come up with
creative ways to try and run two point plays to
win a football game. I just think it brings a
(11:25):
more more exciting element then trying to run the clock
completely down and give the other team no chance. All right,
let's move on. Let's talk about the kickoffs. That the
touchback is now being moved. Instead of being going to
the thirty yard line automatically, it now moves to the
thirty five yard right. Some would say that that's only
five yards, but it actually, I think is a pretty
(11:45):
pretty significant thing when you think about the fact you
only need a twenty twenty five yards to be able
to get in a field goal range. For Dallas needs
ten Dallas Dallas to get one first down there in
field goal range. So yeah, you know, yeah, you're right,
And like I said, I mean interrupt you there, it's
just but yeah, to me, it's it's going to you know,
do you want to I think there's some teams that
(12:07):
will still kick the ball out of the end zone.
Playing the Cowboys, I think if you look at what
Turpin was able to do as a returner, you know,
bring he could bring the ball out past the thirty
five I mean, I I me, personally, I'm not gonna
let him bring the ball out to the fifty yard line.
I's capable of doing that. I'm just gonna kick it
into the end zone and make you play and make
myself play defense at the thirty five. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
If anything that it helps, anything that will help Cavanti
Turpin get the ball in his hands. Yeah, frequently, I'm four.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I think things teams might still opt for teams that
have a player like Cavante Turpin. They maybe say, hey, we'll.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Take thirty, We'll take the thing now the killer.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
As you mentioned, the big deal is you also have
a kicker who can kick from a long That's where
it's very interesting dynamic for the Cowboys that maybe other
teams don't have. Is the range of a kicker in
combined with a really great cat kick returner. That will
make it a bit more of a chat challenging decision
for opponents.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
It's a double edged sore, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I was like, what.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
We got in both ways? No, No, it's exciting. It's
exciting because I remember the times where that wasn't the case,
where you had players that you couldn't necessarily rely on
when it came to those plays and special teams. So uh,
very very benefiting for the house.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
This was another rules change I thought was really interesting.
They've expanded replay assists, so essentially what people don't know
what that term is. It's basically when the booth can
make a call from the booth.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Or call down face mask yeah on the zone.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So there are.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Five different rules now, and there are five different penalties
that the booth can overturn from the booth. They are
hitting the defensives player face mask, horse collar, tackle, tripping, roughing,
or running into the kicker.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm okay with that? I mean, I you know, and
we all watch foot and I remember a game where
Minnesota was playing against the Rams late in the year
and there was a clear face mass penalty, you know,
on on Sam Darnell and and you know, and and
they and the officials missed it. And you know, the
Vikings were trying to drive and and they but they
(14:17):
missed the call. And so here you are, you know,
your team, you know, if you're in that situation, you're like, oing, gosh,
how how do you miss that call? You know? I
always the roughing the kicker and the running into the
kicker one I don't quite know. I guess if you
just completely destroy the the punter, it's you know, or
it's roughing, And if you just kind of run into
(14:39):
I guess because there's sometimes it's called one way or another.
I think I need some help there, you know, I
think some of sometimes the officials, some officials just are
just they're adamant, like now that's running into that's no,
that's actually roughing. Last week I watched the game that
was roughing. So yeah, anything to do with that kind
of help I think makes the game better.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
One thing to note, Brian, in that scenario, they actually
wouldn't have reversed it. The new rule as I read it,
says that they won't make a call from the booth.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They can only correct a call.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
So let's say, for example, in that instance, if there
was a face mask that was not.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Called, the booth won't call it for them.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
What they will do, though, is if there is a
face mask pause and they didn't really get again they
really didn't get the face mask.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Now the booth can call down and say it's not
and to be honest.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
With you, so they changed the bad calls.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yes, they'll take a bad call. They will make a
call for you.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That I was the depression that you could if there
was a call that like, listen, you guys clearly blatantly
missed the call here.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
So I think that's better, Brian, I actually agree with you.
I think they should do that. I think I do
think that becomes a bit of a challenge because you know,
you know the old adage broke used been offensive lineman.
You know that, Yeah, there's a there's a penalty probably
on every place. So if you have somebody in the
booth who's just literally making a call every time they
see it, the game would slow down to it.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Also, we're dynamic when it comes to the referees, like
down there on the field, and then all of a
sudden you got somebody saying, hey, you missed this one,
and then you got to It's very difficult to be
to make it be seem less and not well mess
up the game.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Flow, you know, Amber, I think that the officials nowadays
have gotten better in a way of understanding that there's
replay that will back them up. Like we've seen quarterbacks
get hit in the pocket and the ball like clearly
ball in hand, flying forward and the next thing you
know is that should be an incomplete pass and now
beanbags are flying in as they're calling it a fumble,
(16:34):
and I think of let it out. They let it
play out. The officials are like, listen, we're going to
call it a fumble until somebody upstairs tells us ball
in hand it was forward motion, So you know that's
there's a lot of those calls where you're like, that's
not a fumble, but the officials are like, hey, I
know I have replay backing me up that if I
make this calling it's wrong, it's going to change and
(16:55):
we're going to move on. I'm okay with that too.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
The one area I think is it glaring omission for
me is I would love for roughing the passer to
also be included in this How many times do we
see calls where they say roughing the passer and then
you look at the replants like, oh, he really didn't. Yeah,
he kind of rushed his shoulder, but it looked maybe
like he hit him in the head because his head
snapped because of the violent hit to his shoulder. I
(17:21):
just think those are situation where I would love because
because it's so punitive, I would love for those to
be plays that they could overturn from the booth.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The roughing the passer penalty that that's the most that
I understand the most is when you go low on
a on a quarterback if you go into the knee
area and stuff and try and those are the ones.
I understand the ones had that, but that's again player safety.
For you know, if you're a defensive lineman and you're
coming through and you're trying to swat at the ball
(17:49):
and you hit the quarterback in the head, the rules
are pretty clear you can't hit the quarterback in the head,
you know, but maybe some of those can be you know,
maybe changed.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I feel like we're a lot in recent years. What
are we're playing flag football here? Like what are we doing?
Like is this football or not? Like I think it's
going to I can't recall one game specifically, but I
know there are being quite a few that we've seen.
You're like, this is getting out of control, Like this
is ridiculous with some of those calls that are being called,
(18:22):
like for a guy for example, Micah and the way
that they're rushing and getting those sacks. So I think
I agree with you, Derek. I mean, hopefully eventually in
the future that's something that can continue to improve.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, this is another one with Brian.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I think the college game may happen a little bit
with the targeting call for instance, I think I don't
love the idea of getting the player based out getting
kicked out until the next like the four quarters.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I don't love that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But I do think the idea of if you're going
to do something so punitive, at least allow it to
be reviewed and by somebody on camera to say, yes.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
This definitely was roughing the passer, this definitely was targeting.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Or if it's not, because we've seen that also happen
where you go and you look at you like, that
really wasn't targeting, and so they'll overturn it. Players, fine,
I think you should do the same thing with something
like you know, rough in the passy.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
For years, being around you guys for years, I've and
again I don't watch much college football whatsoever you guys do.
But here's where I'm always confused. You guys always bring
college football and the way that it's managed and handled.
Why is it so Why is it so different than NFL? Like,
if they see things that are being successful ye in college,
(19:32):
why not apply it into the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's television. It's a three hour game as opposed to
a four hour game. That's it to me. There's a
lot of the college rules that would apply to the NFL.
They have a specific window of how they stagger games
and stuff like that. And I don't think the NFL
wants games going four hours. I really really don't. So
that's why I think there's a lot of things there
(19:57):
that say, Okay, we have to keep our game within
that twelve to three, and then the next one is
three to six, and then the next one is too
And I think that's why a lot of these some
of these not these rules and these rule changes aren't
always the same. I just don't think that the NFL
wants a four hour or five hour game on Sunday,
(20:18):
and I think that's why they don't do some of
the things that they do.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And let's be clear, like it's just two completely different
bodies running them, with different interests and different things they're considering.
And so it's not going to ever be a situation
where the NFL is like, Okay, well let's look at
the college game and see how we can get closer,
or the college games and look at say, let's look
at the NFL games, see how we can get closer.
They exist as two different bodies, they're two different leagues,
two different bodies, and so they're always going to operate separately,
(20:43):
which means their rules are going to evolve in different ways,
and sometimes you will see a rule happened in one
that precipitates a rule in the other. Like I think
targeting became an issue after the NFL started talking about
player safety from the standpoint of hitting depensiless receivers, hitting
quarterbacks late, and the college response to that was targeting,
We're going to protect this particular We're gonna protect players
(21:05):
from this particular action.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And as a result, these will be the punitive rules.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
So they were trying to do the same things, they
just did it in different ways, right, the penalties were
different in college versus then.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
As we kind of wrap this up, though, I kind
of feel like, though that to me, the one rule
i'd like to see change that the colleges do do
in the NFL maybe adopt is pass interference. That is,
and you use the word punitive, that that is one
of the most punitive penalties that you could ever endure,
either for you or against you. You know, mainly against you.
If you know forty four forty five fifty yard penalties
(21:38):
for pass interference. To me, you know, the rules really
do favor offensive football. You have to give the defense
something as far as rules go, and to me, a
fifteen yard you know penalty is significant. I mean, are
excusing is sufficient for my take because, like I say,
(21:59):
you know so, past interference is just Sometimes it's called correctly,
sometimes it's called incorrectly. You get a forty four yard
penalty against you that's been called incorrectly. That is big.
That is big. I'd like to see the NFL adopt that.
I don't think they ever will.
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Speaker 7 (25:21):
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Speaker 5 (25:22):
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Speaker 6 (25:22):
Position that I think, on paper, seems to be one
of the more stable positions on the team. You got
Malie Cooker, you got Donovan Wilson. They've been starters for
a few years. They are both back, they're both under contract.
Neither one is, as we know, holding out or anything.
So it seems like it's a very stable position. But
that being said, they have some young guys Yanye Thomas,
(25:44):
Marquee spell Israel Makuamu. Do you think that this is
a position that really is that why I should say
it like this?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Or does Dallas really need to do more at this
position than just rely on Malie Cooker and Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, Derek, I think the fact that you know that
I know, I've heard you know from thirty visits potentially
for the Cowboys with mcuba from the University of Texas
safety very I love outstanding safety, six foot eighty six pounds.
He can cover, h he tackles, he gets his hands
(26:20):
on the football, playmaker this guy. I mean, Texas has
got a very good secondary and you know, with with
Baron and mcuba and Muhammad, they've got some guys that
can absolutely play.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Cat babies was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, and so yeah, So to me, this is this
is one of those things that the Cowboys were talking
about it as we seem to be okay here, everything's fine. No,
they really you know, if they could upgrade Hooker and
they could upgrade Wilson and with a guy like maccuba. Absolutely,
you know this is this is where I think, And
now how early would you have to do this? Forty four?
(26:55):
I think mccouba is one of the best safety.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Second round guy in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Absolutely, you would have to hit him in the second
round if you're interested in doing this, and they might
absolutely consider that because of all the things I just
talked about, find me a guy can you can you
say with certainty Hooker really covers, Wilson really covers where
they tackle really really well. Boy, they get their hands
on a lot of balls. That's that's that's all very
much up for debate. Yeah, so no, I think that
(27:20):
it's if you want to ask me a position that
people aren't talking about near enough for this football team. Safety,
that's one as far as drafting goes. Yes, I think
they're open to that. And the fact that they've identified
but Kuba as one of those guys, I think that's
a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Honestly, I think I would be okay with the great
and I agree with Brian, you definitely need if you
can upgrade the position, for sure, But I would be
okay with the group of guys that Derek mentioned and
listed if I felt a lot better about the cornerback position.
I feel that the corners right now, you we need
(28:02):
to fix what's going on there. Right now, you don't
really have much, I mean other than there On Bland,
that's a solid guy, proven. You got Trevon Diggs that's
coming back from the injury. There's still a lot of
question marks surrounding him and everybody else. Aside from those
two persons, you still don't know how well can they
you know, turn.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Out to though.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Does he does Elm factor in that for you at all?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah? I think that to me, if where I would
if you're if if Matt Eberflus is going to play
a lot of press coverage, man up you know and
play that's where Elam really that's his strength. You ask
him to play zone or off carverage. But I agree
with with Ambar there there are so many questions that
at corner, and I think Elam addresses the spot of
(28:50):
a size guy with physicality that could play up. You know,
they could play that press. If you're going to play
a lot of zone, man Ambar's right, you better go
get you some corners. You don't know with Diggs, I
mean we're seeing clips of digs working and all that.
That's that's super positive. You know that he can. You
know that he wants to to get back on the
field as quickly as possible. But man, you know there's
(29:12):
reasons why that. Teams, our people have talked about Dallas
at a corner at twelve. You know Will Johnson from
Michigan six too, you know, two hundred and six pounds.
I mean, there there are some conversations about these guys,
and this is a very deep draft when it comes
to corners, whether you want to get a guy with
(29:32):
size or you want to get a guy that's a
nickel player. So Dallas is absolutely, I believe in the
market for for looking just what Amber said, you know, hey,
this is you're really down to it. You would feel
a lot better if if Carson had played better last year,
you know, but the learning curve, the injuries, all those problems,
(29:54):
he just didn't get that. Hopefully this offseason will be
good for him. But you know, we've heard this before.
We've done it with the wide receivers. Oh we want
these wide receivers. Oh they're going to make a jump
and all that. You say that and then they get
in the season and they really don't make that jump,
So she's absolutely right about it.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Well, and then with Alan, I mean we talked about
the experience that he has and all that, but again
it's still you haven't seen it here yet, so there's
still question marks around that and how this new system like,
how everything's going to start coming together and clicking. And
with safeties, I think I always see it as a
supporting role right to the corners. So I think with
(30:29):
you not being as solid as you would like to
be in the cornerback, sorry, in the cornerback position, now
you're leaving these safeties, forcing them or putting them in
a quote unquote bad position where they're having to do
a lot more, trying to do more than what maybe
they're capable of at the time based on the current
(30:51):
talent that the team has. So absolutely if there is
an opportunity to upgrade the position, for sure, But if
you upgrade cornerback and get that group really solid where
you feel good about it, I think I would feel
a lot better about the curring guys on the roster
when it comes to the safeties.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Okay, we weren't supposed to talk about cornerbacks yet, what
kind of go. But what we're gonna do is we're
just gonna shift because that's what Amber brought us and
that's what we're gonna do. So that being said, here's
my question on cornerback. What do you think right now?
Like there, I hear what you're saying, Amber, and I
agree wholeheartedly. The bigger concern for me right now is
who is your day one slot? Because you know you
(31:30):
could possibly move land in. You just create one problem.
You just basically take a problem from one place to
put in another. But who is the slot? Who's the
guy that's going to be your third cornerback? At this point,
I don't even know if they have a real option
right now for that person.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
And does that necessitate really at the Cowboys have to
maybe look at the first at least the first two
picks to find a corner because they're gonna need him
to play this.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, there's the options that the options at twelve and
forty four are clearly there, depending on and we'll see
what will Johnson. I mentioned him before it at Michigan.
What you know he's going to run. There's several corners
that have first round ability that are on that board.
But the problem is there some of them are coming
off injury. Revell from East Carolina might be the best
(32:16):
corner in the draft, but he hurt his knee, you know,
to start the season, missed the entire year. Morrison from
Notre Dame has a has a hip problem, but you know,
fine player in his own right, probably a first round player.
Could one of these guys show up at forty four
for the Cowboys? You know, there's there's people that you
know sometimes they they these corners will fall through the
(32:38):
draft if they're banged up a little bit, and and
Revel could be a guy. Boy, that would be just
a huge steal for the Cowboys if all of a sudden,
say they were to take a receiver at twelve, and
then all of a sudden one of those corners are
there at at forty four, boy, that would be that
would that would be just you know, you couldn't ask
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(33:02):
there's there's going to be guys that are going to
be able to fill the nickel role that maybe you
can't grab in the third round. You know, Perish from
Kansas State is an example of that. Mohammed from Oregon. Guy,
these are shorter guys. These are five ten, five nine guys,
but extremely quick, but able to kind of cover all
that ground. They might be in the market of having
(33:22):
to draft their corner or their draft their nickel because
the middle of the now. Not having a fourth round
pick as you sit right now, you know, maybe they
can't find a way to get that back or get
an extra three if they move down a few spots,
and that's where you would maybe address your secondary as well.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Let me shift the conversation just a tiny bit more.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
You want to talk about guards, Yeah, you talk about.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
It's still about the corners. No, it's still about the corners,
but it was gonna I wanted to pose a different
questions to you guys and take it as sick.
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They don't have starters right now.
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Derek tv On, We know he got injured last season
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before the break throw back out there.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Well, you were asking about the squad and we talked
about the need there, but I wanted to post the
other question in regards to Tremon Diggs and what was
your final assessment of him and the way that he
was playing last year when he was healthy on the field.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You got a thought on that one, boss.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
I know I heard a lot of people giving him
a lot of criticism. I don't know that I necessarily
feel like it was always warranted. Now, that's the thing
about cornerback. You're not going to be perfect. Like every
cornerback is going to have moments. We did see him
in some moments last season where he got beat, but
that's also a part.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Of being a cornerback.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
My question is more around like, did we see the
kind of game changing plays that we had seen his
in earlier years of his career, and I don't think
we saw those as much.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Now.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Could that be because teams weren't throwing at him as much?
I don't know, but that would be more. What I
would question is when it came down to those game
changes plays, I don't think those were there as much
as they've been in the past. And I'm interested to
see if that was just a function of how teams
were playing against him, the level of competition against him.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Or just his ability to actually make those plays.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, I think to me, there was there was far
too many of these plays where you saw receptions, you know,
you saw like you know, you're kind of I think
there was. He gave up thirty three of them, I
think last year when he was playing and and you're like,
why is he not up? Why is he not more connected?
(38:38):
Why is he not And we've all we've seen him
at times be he's one of those guys that tends
to play on field. You know, he kind of can,
he could run with guys, he could stay in position.
He's we've seen him before. He's very much and when
it comes to putting himself into position to make plays,
he could do that. A lot of his interceptions are
input himself or maybe the ball just kind of comes
(39:00):
to him, and but that's part of putting yourself in position.
I think there were too many times last year where
you watched him in the route and it just you
just felt he watching him. You felt he was really
disconnected that you know, it was the catch and now
he's driving the catch and now he's driving. And in
times past where we've seen him play really really tight
drive on the ball, knock the ball down, it might
(39:21):
have had to do with his knee. It might have
had to do with some confidence or lack of confidence
that he could really explode and go make a player
go run with the guy inside. But there were just
far too many snaps last year where he just played disconnected,
and you know that that's something I think that was
the biggest concern for me.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
And I can't remember the games, but there were it
seems like there were like at least two or three
times last year when he was in position the ball
came and it hit his hands and hit the ground,
and in the past that would have been an interception, right,
And that's those were the areas where I was more like, again,
I don't I don't mind my corner getting beat from times,
(40:00):
like I think that's just a part of the game.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
You play good wide.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Receivers, you're gonna get beat. The What I love about
Diggs's game is he makes you pay though. Yeah, you
might beat him some, but he's gonna get you. And
when he gets you, he's gonna make a game changing
type play. So in order for him to have that
style of game and be as valuable as he is
as he has been to this team, that means he's
gonna have to make those big plays going the other way.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
So when he gets those opportunities and.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
The ball gets there and he's there and his hands
are there, he's got to come away with the ball.
And that's where I was a little bit like, ugh,
that's that's not like Diggs. That's not that's not like him.
He makes that play usually he plays cornerback like a receiver.
And so that those are the things I think the
stick out to me more last year than even the
times when he got beat And.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I think some of the things that came up to
were the miss tackles. You know that that was something
when the ball would spill and then there's times when
he would be physical and step up. But you know,
if you go and look at the metrics, you know
he was credited with twelve miss tackles last year.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
And that's my concern. Like when you talk about his
game and he one of the biggest criticisms towards him
is his lack of physicality when it comes to tackling
and that, oh, is he just afraid of tackling And
now that he got paid and all that, well, that's
the question mark for me because even last year when
(41:18):
you look at his game. I think it's safe to
say that it took a decline, like his game decline
then from what he was prior to that and after
him getting injured. Now you add the injury part to it,
and now it becomes even more concerning with him coming back.
(41:38):
What is the level that he's going to come back
to and how that's gonna look like. And so it's
just an extra added element to the lack of let's say,
who's going to play at the slot position there, and
it's just lots of question mark. The only guy that
I feel very secure is their own Bland right now.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I mean, I think here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
I want to see, how tenacious uh Trayvon is in
coming back from the injury. How how much does he
attack the rehab how much does he does he really
kind of get out there and push it to get
him Because I have no doubt in Trayvon's ability. He's
shown it the level of capability that he has. And
I don't you know that, Yes we can. You can
(42:21):
talk about the plays that you know from a tackling
standpoint where maybe it wasn't great, But at the end
of the day, what I know about the guys. When
he's playing at his at his top level, he can
be one of the best cornerbacks in the National Football League.
So my question is, just if whatever we saw last
year was remnants of the knee from the year before
or whatever it was, can he attack this rehab in
(42:44):
a way to where he gets himself ready and next
time he's on the field he is mentally and physically
at top notch best case, I mean, best version of
Trayvon Diggs, then I think he can be again one
of the best cornerbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
And so that's what I'll be looking for.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I know he's capable, it's just a question of whether
it ends up being that once he's back on the field.
All right, let's uh, let's move on. Let's talk a
little bit more. Actually we got a we only got
a couple of minutes here real quick.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Before we end. I did have a question back on
the quote on the topic of safeties.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
What are the chances that some of those younger guys
like Thomas Bell and Makuamo actually overtake Hooker or Wilson,
uh for starting jobs or even for more playing time.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, it's always a possibility. I I know visit with
Mike Zimmer last year before the season started. He was
a very he was a fan of Hooker and he
was a fan of of Wilson. And that's why you
saw those guys get the opportunities. Kind of a step
back for Bell, you know, we saw Bell. Bell was
when you're leading tackler the year before, playing linebacker, hang linebacker,
(43:48):
playing out a position, you're kind of thinking, well, man,
how can you keep a guy off the field. That
that's tough, you know, And you know, Mike had his
reasons for why he wanted to play Hooker and why
he wanted to play Wilson, and you know, and so
you know that's that's fine, you know, but no longer here,
Matt Eberflu's here, and we'll see hopefully that Bell and
Thomas both get opportunity this year. And but the fact
(44:10):
that they're they're talking to or the possibly of bringing
guys in for you know, thirty visits that are that
are high quality safeties, tells me that Eberflus might be like, listen,
we could upgrade a couple of different spots. You might
want to upgrade the starters and the backups will get
an opportunity I think that there's some things about Bell
(44:31):
that are that in coverage and toughness and all that,
you can absolutely play him, and you could do the
very same with Thomas. Thomas is a really good cover guy.
So I think that we're I wouldn't I would put
the starters of Hooker and Wilson in pencil right now.
I would not put them in pen I would I would.
(44:53):
I think that position is is very much in in
in flux right now, which will see when we get
to opening day. You know who exactly the starters are.
I think they have some questions about that.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Yeah, I totally agree with those two guys. Yeah, those
would be right now, the two at the top. But
what's cool about this as far as these guys and
the opportunities is that they have a legit chance of
actually going out there training camp competing for a legit
spot or even starting spot. So nothing is solidified right now.
I think anyone in the list right now can fight
(45:28):
for a spot and make their name known. And again
we'll see what happens during the draft and who else
comes into the mix here, but anyone on the list
right now has a good fighting chance.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
There's Quale in this draft, though, there's as you follow
the three days here in Dallas Cowboys dot Com, there
are quality safeties in their quality corners. If they want
to address those positions, you should feel good about them
getting one or two guys out of that group that
can make a difference on your football team.
Speaker 6 (45:57):
All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We will
be back next Tuesday. We'll have a more content for
you guys. We'll be talking I'm sorry next Wednesday. Sorry,
next Wednesday, and we'll talk about wide receiver and probably
another position.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
We'll see if we have enough time for that one.
Speaker 6 (46:11):
We'll see how it goes and see if Amberg throws
any other curveballs at us, changes up a little bit rundown,
We'll see for Brian brod us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.
This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot
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