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It is Tuesday, November fourth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
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We got a lot of stuff we gotta get to.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Today we're gonna start actually going to get to and
as we keep going, we'll get into the Cowboys lost
last night, they lose twenty seven to seventeen. We'll talk
about the storylines of those of that game. The areas
where the Cowboys couldn't get things going, there were quite
a few of those. We'll talk about that. But before
we get there. I do want to start by talking
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about the trade deadline. They looks like the Cowboys have
made one move already. Jerry alluded to on the radio
this morning with one O, five dot three the fan
that there is more maybe in the works. He wouldn't
be specific, but there were more that at least is
being discussed. Let's start first with the move that they
did make. They traded a seventh round pick for linebacker
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Logan Wilson, a position where they really do need to upgrade.
I think we all have been very clear about that.
Let's start first with the scouting report. What do we
know about Logan Wilson as a linebacker and what maybe
he can bring to this.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Team processor, solid and coverage and I think what like
a good way to kind of frame all this is
like versus what you have now. I think he'll be
the best cover linebacker that you have right now. He'll
be one of the better processing linebackers right now. If
you woke up this morning, you were probably underwhelmed thinking
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that we're gonna get a Quinn Williams type character, or
well I can't say names over here, or just one
of these type of characters that's real hot in the
streets right now, right one of those elite type characters.
Logan is not an elite type of character, but he's
much better than what you have right now in terms
of processing versus run and versus the past. I think
he's a he's a solid tackler. There's a lot of
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talk online about why he was benched. He wasn't bench
because he was bad. He was bench he didn't want
to be there no more, and Cincinnati was all like,
all right, cool, we're gonna bench you because it is.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But just me watching this film.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
He was a good to solid player all the way
up until the point to where Cincinnati sat him. And
he's much better than anything that you have right now.
So when brother Jerry said that it'll be an immediate impact,
I mean he wasn't lying. You know, he'll be much
better than what you have. Not to say that he's
a top tier, elite type guy, but he's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Much better than what you got.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
So he's not really lose, no, just playing in the
same division.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Good.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Okay, that's good. Maybe some of that rubbed off.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think that I think Vauchanel this guy, I mean
to me, when you look at him and you you
start to as much as the Cowboys have been playing,
like the zone coverage and stuff. We saw a little
bit last night though a little bit more of the
man coverage stuff, you know, with we did a lot
and those kind of guys. So that was encouraging that way.
That's what everybody's wanted to see them do. And you know,
I think for the most part, uh, you know, there
were some times where actually, uh, you know, the pressures
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and things like that were were good. I think the
thing with Logan Wilson, though, you you get a guy
that when you're asked to play a specific coverage and
to say, it's a drop linebacker zone coverage and he's
supposed to go to a specific area, he's going to
go to that area, and he's going to be aware
when things come behind him. And and and that's where
I think the Cowboys have really struggled this year. And
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and and it maybe it's a little bit more it's
about Murray and no, it's about a rookie guy like
Shamar James having to play a little bit and so
the lack of inexperience there maybe a guy that doesn't
play with the awareness that you need right now you
did get a guy, as I've said, that can play
in coverage, that can play downhill, can play the run,
can tackle well enough, is not going to be in
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bad spots when it comes to what he's asked to do.
He's going to be where he needs to be, but
he's going to also be able to make some plays
for you. That way it is. It is an upgrade.
It's not as you mentioned, adding ray Lewis or something
like that, or sequon you know, or or or our
guy bro Kwan Smith. Yeah, from you know that kind
of thing. It's not that thing. It's it's a solid
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football player that for the scheme that they're trying to
play here that we've seen here through nine weeks, will
be beneficial for them.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Basically, you can see him starting whenever Demo comes back,
that'll be the pair. But he's not stopping you from
drafting a top tier linebacker next year.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Basically agreed is he an.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I was like, I've run into Brian halftime, but last night,
by the end of that game, I'm like, screw the trades,
forget the trades, I don't care keep your picks whatever.
I'm done with this mess. But then you sleep on it,
and then you wake up and then you see the
news and you're like, okay, okay, that's all right, I
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take okay, I'll take that, and a few more if
you got them, Because again you start analyzing, you're like, okay,
you look into the future, it's a guy that's gonna
be here for a few years. And then on top
of that, you gotta remember what you got left in
the season. Regardless of whether you think the Cowboys are
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gonna make it through or not, you still have some
tough teams to be to face, and you've already been
embarrassed a few times with other teams, and now you
gotta be able to survive and not look like a
hot mess. Because even if you think that you're done
with the season, which you're not, you're still in it.
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But even then, Bran, even then, if you end up
looking even worse after facing these teams in the second
half of the season, where's morale gonna be for everybody
else on the team, regardless if you make a change
in coaching or not after the end of the season.
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But overall, light the trade bring some more because we
gotta keep improving somehow. But he's a guy that definitely
gives you a lot more than what the guys that
you currently have on the team. And also, I think
it takes some things, some pressure off over shown shoulders
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because when he comes back, we've been talking about him
coming back, and we all know that you cannot expect
him to be completely magical and all of a sudden
change the defense. But you got someone like him come
in and beat that duo there. I think you're gonna
definitely improve the defense overall for the season. And I know, no,
you need help a defensive tackle too, You need help
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there in the line. So maybe there's somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Else got all Davey Jerry on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Here's one thing I do wonder and I started thinking
about that this this morning, looking at the linebacker position
and the fact that they're bringing in Logan Wilson and
they're waiting for Overshowing to return, and you look at
the linebackers that they've been playing primarily here for the
last couple of weeks with James and Murray. Is it
a bit of a I'm think of the best way
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to kind of say this, but do you think that
this is an indictment in some ways on lea foul
that during this time when they haven't really been able
to get much going at linebacker, he hasn't been the
one to be able to step up and get more
of those snaps, even ahead of James, who was a rookie,
and it seems like he's getting more burned. There is
that somewhat of an indictment on lea file and where
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he is in his development.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think it's an indictment on the scouting department itself.
And I say this because you've got guys that le
foul was drafted by the previous regime and now you
start to talk about fits. Was this the right fit?
Look at Demone Clark drafted by the previous regime. To that,
you know, you have a lot of players that were
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that are here drafted by various They had an idea, Hey,
when we draft these guys, this is what we're going
to do. This is our guy. And then all of
a sudden, well that didn't work out, Well let's get
another guy. And then well there's another coordinator. Oh hey,
we we we sat in here during the draft and
when the coaches came in, and they coaches came in
and the day three and everybody to the scouts. Everybody's
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raving about Leafel. Everybody was raised. And I don't blame
the kid, but you got to understand that probably there's
some things that that they're looking at. They're like, well,
he doesn't do exactly what we wanted.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
To do, what they need, and that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's the problem. And you wonder why that, Maybe should
they have gone quicker on with the Logan Wilson thing.
You know, all of a sudden, you you're looking at
you're looking at this, this this defense, and you're like, man,
we're not very good at linebacker right now. You know,
maybe Logan Wilson should have been here two weeks ago.
(09:11):
You know why? Why? On why? On trade Day? And
that's why I'm and I say, I blame the I
blame the personal department. But it's that's unfair. The thing
that the fact that they're they're bringing in guys and
it's well, he's not a fit, he's not a fit,
he doesn't do what we you know, look at look
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at all. There's just plenty. This this defense is littered
with those guys. And I think that's the thing that's
unfair is that we're you're players who haven't developed for
the previous regime, have absolutely no shot of developing for
this regime.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
You know, Brother Brian, brother Eagleton and Barlita. Some interesting going.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Go ahead. I'm going on.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
With this with this coaching staff. That's very interesting. And
I just want to watch myself to not sound too arrogant.
At the end of the day, Man, I'm a dude
with a camera and a microphone. Nobody special. But I
do trust my eyes. And I say this during draft
season all the time. I encourage everybody to just trust
your eyes because more than likely you know you're right
if you just you know what I'm saying, Just follow
your gut. But it's a common theme around what's happening
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with this staff this year to where when I'm in camp,
I go, boy, perry On tearing it up out there, yea.
And somebody hit Brian's golden phone and said that they
don't believe that perryonoll be all that much of a
upgrade and what we got, And I say, what damn.
You know, we'll clearly see Dovin Ezaraku and James Houston
as better options.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But boy, you know, it took them cats.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
A long time to get Fouler and and old old
Samuel rotated around this thing.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It's something else that's going on around here. I wouldn't
say that it's Maris's fault. Marriage can only do what
he's asked to do. But sometimes he's coming games where
he's only had ten snaps and he'll knock somebody out
in one play, or he'll cause a fumbling another, or
he'll do something. He may overrun some as well. But
this is my biggest issue. If Mari's is you know,
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if he doesn't have the ability to do what they're
asking him for. Kennith Murry don't either. Keeping the buck
with you Schmart really hadn't been doing it neither. Themon't
have it either. So now I can't cuss on this show.
But there's a point where you got to scoop up
the stuff off the floor, throw it at the wall
and see what sticks. And every week with my eyes,
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I'm waiting on this coaching staff or this organization, whoever
in charge, I don't know. I don't work here to
see what sticks. But they never picked the stuff up
off the ground. It seems like the vibe around the
organization now is that I Kenni Murray, we gotta find
a better option than you. That's just the reality of
what it is. This is a results based business. Derek Eagleton,
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You trust your eyes. You've been saying this since week
folk or something like hey man, what's going on? And
Barb been saying since week five or something.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Like, hey man, we cap to shared Me.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Said like hey man, Sence Training Camp.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Said, well, pardon me. I'm just I'm just trying to
cut it. I feel like we can. We're not experts here.
I'm saying that for also me, but I trust my
eyes enough to go, hey man, this cat, that that
that y'all ain't been playing, I've seen him do good things.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
In a game.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
To Marris's point, I've seen him in games do good things.
What's stopping y'all from trying or making an attempt? Because
your offense is so bad, I mean, your pardon me,
your defense, your defense, I'm upset your defense is so
down into the thirty two's what's stopping you from making
the attempt to see what.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Is it going to get worse?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Is it can't get no worse?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
So there's something extra going on with you know straight
he is a cat that don't know the planes, because
it's people on the field that don't know the planes.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
They did it yesterday with with with Carson. I mean,
and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to take.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You out of this because because it's six other names.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But yeah, no, no, but no no. But they they
they got tired of seeing what was going on at corner.
They got tired.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
They were like the same thing happened to right tackle.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah yeah, but see the right tackle he had his
the guy filled in had.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
What I'm saying, Like they at that point they were
just kind of like, yeah, I mean, I I.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Am, I am okay, I am totally okay to everybody's
point of like, hey, you know, and if I was
in the personal department and I had to say and stuff,
I would say, are we are we cool? By should
we think about this? You know? And they'll say, well,
just you worry about scouting, And I go, well, I
am worrying about scouting. I'm trying to get maybe some
better players or do we need to go get tell me,
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do we need to go get better guys? Obviously, they
felt like they needed to get a better linebacker when
maybe they have some guys on here that could actually
be be you know, what they were looking for. That's
the unfortunate thing. I think. I just feel like that
the I made the big deal about the three different coordinators,
the way and the way that this organization. And I'm
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not killing him for this because coaches are involved. But
when you have that type of input, your team is
going to well, he's not our guy. He's not our guy.
Oh that's our guy, you know, and so.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
But if you ask gonna get fired. Somebody need to
be your guy.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I agree, I totally agree. I think to me that
I think the thing about it was though with the
whole thing. I'd love to see Mary Slea Foul play more.
But I worry that Marus Leafoul was beloved by a
previous regime and it's hard for him to get headway
even though you can the eye test that vach is
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talking about appears that he probably needs to be playing
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
I think sometimes coaches also have a tendency. They'll see
certain characteristics that they like and certain.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Care around these guys all the time, right, And the thing.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
That happens is the characteristics they like, they keep waiting
for that to show up in games like Kenneth Murray.
You look at him and you look at his build
all those things, and you're like, man, he looks like
he should be a really really good middle linebacker. And
I'm not saying they're basing this decision on just how
he looks, but I'm saying there may be traits in
what they see in him where they're like, man, if
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we can just get.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Him there, we get him there, he can get there.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
And then they may on the flip side, may look
at Merrison and be like, ah, it's this one thing
that we think will be a hindrance. We just this
one thing keeps bothering us, and it forces them to
not make the decision.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Let's just put him in there and see how he plays,
all right.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think those are the things that sometimes happen, and
I think those sometimes the things that holds coaches back
because they see something and it either is really good
or really bad, and they're like they can't get past
it for to really see here's the production level of
that person.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah, but I'm really interested to see what's gonna happen,
uh during this by week kind of the behind the
scene decisions that are made because something that I thought
was really interesting was the decision and I know we
have to go to break, but the decision that Schottenheimer
made in the first quarter where they decided to go
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for it on fourth down instead of kicking that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I know, we get that, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
But my point to that, and we'll get into it
and when we come back, But the thing is behind that.
It just goes back to sure, I know he trusts
his team, but there's a shift there of where now
maybe he's not necessarily trusting the defense at this point anymore,
and he's saying, hey, we're.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Going for it.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
This is we know what we get on the defense,
but we'll talk about it.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
This goes right back to trusting your eyes, believe what
you see, how to win for it too.
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It is the second segment of the Break live from
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get into this game. The first thing that happened in
this game that I think is noteworthy, and I think
it's set the tone for what happened yesterday. Cowboys have
an impressive first drive. They get down in a goal
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to go situation. It's now fourth and goal. Well, I
think they had four yards to go, fourth and fourth, fourth,
fourth and goal at the fourth and fourth down, and
they opted Shody opted to be able to go forward
on fourth down as opposed to kicking the field goal.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
It was not successful turnover on downs.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
When it happened, actually before it happened before, when they
first made the decision they were going to stay out there.
Nick and I looked at each other and we both
are like, don't like this decision. I think for me,
the purpose that the reason why was because I think
in those kinds of situations, it's one thing if it
would have been fourth and goal at the one, or
fourth and goal with the two, fourth and goal with
the four, to me, feels like there is less of
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a chance you're going to convert it. And quite frankly,
I think the momentum shift that happens when a team
is being gets driven on down the field all the
way down the gets into a goal to go situation
and then gets four stops. I think that's a big shift.
And on top of that, your defense is not one
that you feel like, hey, if they stop us here,
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that's okay. They're gonna be backed up in three plays,
they'll be punning. That's not the kind of defense that
you have. And so for that purpose. I thought, you
need to get these street points. Points are important. Points
are very important every time you go down the field
because guess what, every time the other team gets the ball,
they're probably gonna get points. Whether it's a field goal
or a touchdown. You need to keep up. That was
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my rationale.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
What would you get?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
What did you guys think as it happened, not considering
the outcome? What do you think of the decision before
the outcome?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
You know, Derek, is interesting that all the points you made.
I feel like that's the exact same damn points I
can make irrationalize while you go for it on fourth down,
because you could be like, well, the Cardinal's gonna score,
so we should take the points. That's my point. We
should be scoring seven because they gonna score.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But they're not always gonna score a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I think they always they not yesterday And you say
it not hindsight, Yeah, hindsight. Jakob Brusset looked us out
one time. Do you overthrew it a little bit to
the right, Maybe had a little miss there and a
penalty and a long little something there. But for the
most part, if I'm Brian, shot and hire me in
my mind, I go, man, we ain't gonna stop nobody today,
and that'll be the reason why I'm constantly going for six.
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I'm gonna be constantly going for sick, especially if I'm
the Cowboys offense. After that drive where you couldn't really
stop me at all, I'm going, hey, man, even if
I don't get it right here. In my mind, if
I don't get it right here, I'm just gonna keep
doing this again because.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Y'all can't stop me. They eventually stopped you.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
But in my mind, my thinking is I can't trust
this defense whether they got a drive ninety five, thirty
fifty or seventy six. I need to put not only
score at score every time. I need to get six
every single time because I've been in games this year
to where we've kicked for three and I go, man,
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three not gonna get it right there. Three is not
gonna get it right there. So you you all can
have the point. And this is a two on two
because Ambar is fnna make the point, so you all
can make the the point of at that point in
the game, I wouldn't have I think this defense is
so terrible every point in the game is that point
in the game. I said this earlier talking to Brian.
If you watch the broadcast view, there's a point in
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every single game where the broadcaster goes, hey, man, this
seems like the play of the game here where you
know it's either gonna this or this or this. I
think that happens every single time the Cowboys getting a
situation like that, and it's either zero, three or six
every single time. So watching that, knowing that, I just
had faith that Jacob Bras said was gonna drive down
there and just do his thing. I'm like, bro, if
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we don't get seven right here, it could get bad.
It just happened to get bad because you didn't score nothing.
You ain't scored nothing, so it got bad. But either way, Ambar,
police Hambor, no no, no runs on my team, no
no go ahead, Bright Sugo, World War.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Let me, let me, let me bring to the let
me bring to the court of public opinion. Exhibit a
second half drive of the Cardinals, the first drive of
the second half. That that right there is all you
need to know that every time you see a three
play march the way they did. They come out the
first pass is fifty five yards. I'm thinking oh okay,
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you know, haven't had a chance for my right out
of half time, right at halftime. This is I think,
actually the defense. I think there were some moments where
they were actually pretty good yesterday later in the game.
Thank your offense lets you down yesterday, I really do.
But exhibit a for me of why go for it
was exactly what happened on that. Every time I think
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it's going to be the drive that started the second half,
I just do. I just don't. It's a huge play,
it's another huge play, and then it's a walk in
touchdown or somebody falls down or they miscommunicate. I got
to take I got to have every I got to
have every opportunity to have seven there. I just can't.
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I'm like fog, I'm sitting there thinking like that, you know, hey,
I've done this before. I could drive it on them again. Okay,
we'll just saddle back up and and do it again.
But they but they didn't. They didn't. They never got
back to that. But I just think this defense, like
I said, it's that that second half drive, just that
that just reminded me of where they are at on
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defense at times. And that's that's always why I would
never punt, and I would never and I'd always go
for the touchdown on the situation.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
But you know, I think that's also where I look
at it. I'm like, after that before before they went
forward on fourth down, I believe what you just said, Brian.
I was like, Oh that was that was a really
nice drive. Ye Oh, they'll be back. They'll keep doing
this all day. And the moment they didn't get that
fourth down, that's when the doubt started to creep in
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of like is this gonna be like it was last week?
Is this going to be this offense and not really
being able to get everything going as they.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Need to consistently throughout the game to keep up.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And I think that's why when I say momentum shifts,
that's what I mean by momentum shifts is it's one
thing when you can have a really great drive, if
that ends in three points, you come out of that
drive feeling like, Okay, we did some good things. We
go next time we're getting in zone. You come away
from that drive with zero points and you were at
their four. You come away from that like what just happened?
(26:25):
Like Yeah, But I'm saying I think I think those
are the kind of momentum shifts that I don't want
to give the other team that. There's no reason to
give them that that early in the game. Take your
three points. It's there for you. By the way, as
bad as this defense has been, and now this is
gonna sound really weird. It sounds like we're really setting
the bar extremely low. But most games this year, they
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haven't given up a touchdown every time, they've given up
a field goal at least some of the time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So my thought is, if you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Keep up, at least you need to score every drive,
like you need to come away with at least three
every drive in.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Order to keep up. Coming away from zero is just
not an option.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Here's my thing, and I agree with most of what
you both said, but my problem is the timing of it.
I did not like for that decision to be made
right off the bat in that first drive. And I
had issues with that drive because even though they did
have some good ones, there some good plays. You gotta
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drop from uh from Scooonmaker and then Ferguson and those two.
I was, you gotta, you gotta feel the vibe, you
know you can't do you gotta I was feeling it, well,
I should say I was not feeling it. Something was
just like ehh, because you can set the tone. Yeah, sure,
(27:47):
let's set the tone. But if you make it, you
do the opposite if you don't. So it's not always
very smart to do that. And sometimes we've seen it
with this offense this year that it kind of takes
a few drives, maybe after the first drive to that
for them to you know, get to the end zone,
but right there to begin, right off the bat, and
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it just gives me a sense of we're like, oh, now,
we're not trusting the defense at all right off the bat.
And credit to the defense actually, because this is the
most I've seen them do when you talk about stats,
I mean, I was busy posting graphics yesterday from the defense,
things that I have us all year in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
In Spanish, Oh well yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Oh, you don't follow. You don't follow someone.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Because I don't speak. I thought you spoke, yeah wow.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Because you don't seem like type person that's ever shot
Dice in a in a bad neighborhood before.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You don't seem like type maybe Derek.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
But there's certain things that you wouldn't do normally but
urgency requires you to take chances.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
By the way, haven't either you know.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Maybe you know, maybe like there's an't belief that, but
go ahead. There's a certain circumstance that's making you do
this dangerous thing. Traditionally in football. I even heard like
Babe talking about it, right, traditionally in football, Brand talked
about it too, old man football. Yeah, take the points
and play defense. But we're in a bad neighborhood. We
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need to get this money and go. There needs to
be more urgency to the table because of who we're
dealing with.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'm saying I'm.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Going for it. You're playing at home, which you have no.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
No, no, no, you're not scared of going for but
you're scared of going for early.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You're saying early.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm not strive.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think we're in a bad.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Enough neighborhood where we need points all the time because
it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yes, that's the point, Yes we need points all time
if you have a chance.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But if you have a chance for three, you know
you're not in a position to be like three just
saying I don't care about three, I won't want you.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, that's where we disagree.
Speaker 14 (29:56):
You're in a position where you need points wherever they
come from.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
You tell I'm gonna get a safety, Yep, bring it on.
I need to give me how many I need points?
How many times I don't think three is enough?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
How many times, Derek, have we been in these games
where it's like we're kicking too many field goals?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And you're like, going, we're kicking too many field goals today.
We're kicking too many field goals today.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
I make that assessment once I'm into the second and
third quarter and we've now kicked three when we've been
in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I don't do that on the first drive.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
On the first drive, I say I had a nice drive,
I got down in the gold to gold situation, they
got me to a fourth down. I take my three
might and the next time I'm getting in these did
you feel like that Arizona was gonna stop you though?
When you got down there in the on the four
yard line.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Honestly, I was shocked that they stopped them.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I I think you had momentum.
I do think you had some.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And that's what and if you block, if you block.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you block, if if, if Steel doesn't get overwhelmed.
You got Ferguson wide open in the corner, but the
quarterback couldn't get there. I couldn't even go through his progressions.
And I understand that part of it. But to me,
I'm I appreciate the coach trying to make I mean,
he was trying to say, let's finish this thing off please.
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I mean, to me, kicking the field goal would have
been like, damn, we just drove this and did and
we just sixteen yards, fifteen yards, eighteen yards, and now
we're kicking field goals. That seems like kicking a field
goal to that's like a win for them.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's a win for them. But guess what, they don't
even need momentum. We so bad.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Zero was a bigger win for them. That's my point,
and that's my whole point is again, I hear what
you're saying. I'm just for me at that point in
the game. If it would have been a little later
in the game and I'm seeing, Okay, this is a
consistent thing. We're getting in the red zone and we're
not getting touchdowns. At some point you say Okay, we're
gonna go for it, right, We're gonna go for it
at that point in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
First drive, you had a successful drive.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Why give up the momentum, take the points that are
there for you, and see what happens the next time.
Like keep extending, keep right, let's keep.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Going next year. I'm with that.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I think a normal defense, I'm with it a normal season,
but I think how bad your defense is expedites the
urgency that.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Hey man, I've just seen.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Russell Wilson throw for four fifty yeah and foe touchdowns
against these cads. I know Jacoby gonna get busy because
that's what all the quarterbacks have done this year. Bow
Knicks put forty on these people. I'm not just gonna
just assume that they're not gonna get six. Right, yere,
I'm going for it every time I'm gambling.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
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We'll get into some other topics. It's taken a lot
longer than I thought it would. Oh, we got a
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Speaker 2 (35:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
I didn't want to talk about the offensive line yesterday.
I think really both tackles, well, you could actually say
all three tackles retackles, all three tackles struggled yesterday, and
coming into this game, I don't quite remember it.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I don't recall us talking last week about this being
some vaunted pass rush and these defensive ends. I know,
we know josh well, we've seen Joshua josh We's a
good player. Don't get me wrong, He's not a bad player.
But I did not expect yesterday he would be a
beast like he was, And it seemed like there were
all kinds of issues at the tackle position when it
came to stopping him and others.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Well, I have told you so got there? You know,
did you hit that yes last week?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
I'm not bran tell tell him I'm not told so good.
But I was like, hey, man, if it's a way
that they can whoop up on you, it's putting pressure
on the table. I did kind of say that there,
but I'm not here to be told. So you forgot already.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Maybe you didn't express it strongly.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I expressed it strong Maybe it was kind of like
this could be a possible.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You talked about this for We talked, but you know
what it is.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
It's like sometimes when someone just talks so much and.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Just give me.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Hard for the other person's giving exactly.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Right, and have some class, just say I was right first,
and then you can go into your little joke.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
The compliment you never stopped talking about. Are the offensive
line man? So he does always talk about.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Honestly, I was not expecting Leis Campbell too, I said,
I know Clais Campbell.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Is a good player.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I know Josh Sweat's a good player. I didn't expect.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Them because what we've seen so far, and this is
This is I guess where the questions going. What we
saw yesterday was not necessarily a huge departure from what
we've seen at other times this year. There have been
other times when games where Dak was under durest the
entire Yeah, it turned out like this.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What was the difference justice.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Dak couldn't avoid, he couldn't get avoid. Dak has Dak
has been the deodorant for a lot of pressures every week.
When we break down the games, you you go through
the offensive line and you go three pressures, four pressures,
five pressures, four pressures. Everybody's got multiple, multiple pressures. So
to me, this was a game where we'd seen Dak avoid.
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Our previous games, we'd seen Dak avoid pressures and make
those throws. This game wasn't one of those.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Was it about the coverage or the receiver's not getting
opened quick pressure pressures.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's like, but all of a sudden, when when Dak
was looking for someplace, and if you look at the
five sacks, they all have a common thread. It's somebody
getting pushed and Dak trying to step and then gets captured.
It usually Dak is able to kind of step out
of stuff or spin out of stuff and then go
He couldn't do that when when he tried to move
or navigate in the pocket, he couldn't go anywhere. And
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then and then you know, you had his own lineman
on top of him and the guy you know, or
getting around or it was a quick move inside, and
now he's trying to avoid and he okay, whoa he
made he made that defensive tackle miss. But oh wait,
here's the guy, you know, here's the end that's going
around Nate Thomas. You know that that was the game yesterday.
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Dak's inability to avoid the quick pressure was their downfall
on those five sacks. In my opinion.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Also, if you're a pass rusher and you know that
passes is coming, then you can rush freely. The threat
that you can get hit back in the mouth slows
you down a little bit, you know. And I think
that when the defense puts you in a place where
you have to throw the football, you can't run as.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Much because the run game was actually performing.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
The run game was phenomenal until the wouldn't please.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, this is the thing that you and I talked
about this morning. Though, watch teams are okay with you
running the ball they're like, it's it's kind of like
the Vic Fangio old way of like, sure you run
the ball, Fine, you can't. You know, you're not gonna
score any points. You know, we'll figure it out. We'll
figure we'll stop and we'll make you play. Eventually, you're
gonna have to throw. But look, every every every it
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seems like every week Dallas plays. They have a really
good running game. We talk about every week. It's like, wow,
the guy had eighty yards, guy had one hundred yards,
guy had seventy five. Wow, it's a good running game.
Like it's it's to the point where Dallas's running game
is not helping them because teams are just saying, yeah,
go ahead and run. And they're worried about Dak. They're
worried about Pickens, they're worried about Lamb, they're worried about Ferguson.
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Those are the guys that are worried about those. The
guys are gonna kill him in a game. It's not
it's not Williams, but Williams has done a really good job.
But every time every time we said yeah it's a loss,
what happened, Oh, well, Williams ran the ball well the
other team's going, yeah, great, you lost, you ran the ball, great,
but you couldn't do anything else, you know. That's that's
that's the issues right now there, And he's okay with you.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Don't You don't think it's an issue though, of the receivers.
You think that's just it's just a situation where basically
their offensive line is not protecting well enough that cover.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
That cover four stuff is no joke. And Dak is
usually a cover for a killer. But the way that
these guys played, you know, you play ninety three percent zone,
you know, and you make it difficult, and you know
you didn't you didn't have the downfield chunks that we've
seen from this, you know. I mean, Dak had to
make some really some great throws, but the protection, the
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protection wasn't wasn't there for him. And and when when
they the route running too late in that game, and
I wrote down in my notes there was some playground routes,
you know, but when it gets when it gets third
and seventeen and it gets fourth and whatever, you know
they're going to be But they they just they had
a hard time getting through that at getting through that
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Arizona secondary.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
They really did when you mentioned the receivers, because it's
easy to assume all the receiver didn't make that play.
But then on some plays, when you look at it
and you look at the pressure that Dak is having,
it throws off the timing. It throws off the timing
of when the ball is supposed together, when he's supposed
to make that throw, and just a few seconds screws
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up the whole play. So I felt like there were
several of those happening, and if you really dissect what's happening,
it all falls back to the offensive line, the protection,
and Dak being off his game too. I think now
it's starting to affect us that it's also like, Okay, well,
in previous games where they were more successful, Dak was
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the one covering up the whole mess that was happening
at the offensive line. So they've been getting pressure before
and Dak has been able to come out of it successfully.
So now is it just a matter of just the
holland on the defensive line of the opposing team that
is just better than the previous teams that they've been facing.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
I think Josh can Rush, I think Zaven Collins would
be one of the better rushes on your team right now.
I just think that you got in a situation where
you can't run the football and you're behind, and you
cloud the coverage and its Cover four, Cover six or
Cover two whatever they decided to run out, and you
just Terrence just didn't stand much, you know, much of
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a chance like that.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know it just it is what it is.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
But but but Josh Sweat is like he ain't them guys.
But if there's a tier like right up under there,
Josh Swat.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Right, He's had some moments in his career when he
has played Terrence Still, and he's given Terrence Still some problem.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Didn't he have like two saxophone Super Bowl last year
something like that when with Eagles. So I mean, no,
go get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a bad
at all bad pass rusher. I just did not expect
him to just and it was like they were just
moving him around. He was whooping everybody in front of him.
And it made me just think, like there is no
real answer at this point for the Cowboys if all
three of them are going to play like they played yesterday.
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Because you thought, okay, well, we could always slide Nate
in there, Nat'll be fine. He can kind of stabilize
things if one of the two isn't play well.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
But they didn't have a great day, and so it's like.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
When all three like, what recourse do you have at
that point when neither of the three tackles that you
have that you're running out there are playing at a
level that you need to play.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Real answers run the football, but you can't. You can't, right,
so call Tyren Smith or something. Everything else ain't working.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
All right, We appreciate you, guys. Jones. We're gonna back tomorrow. Tomorrow,
you know it's gonna be a wednesdy.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
But we might do a little bit of Brian's diving
into the brain of Brian brought us because don't have
a team to get ready for this.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Week, so we'll do a little of that.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
We maybe hit a little more tifty more topics from
that game that we didn't get to today. We'll do
that for tomorrow for Vatch Lombardi.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Brian brought us.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, they happened today.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Hopefully hopefully they'll be a little more well.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Go take y'all calls. Basically what he's saying, go ahead,
it's a it's.
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A Gumbo show. We're gonna do a lot of different things,
all right. For Wach Lombardy, Brian brought us Nabragard. See
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We got a lot of stuff we gotta get to.
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Today we're gonna start actually going to get to and
as we keep going, we'll get into the Cowboys lost
last night, they lose twenty seven to seventeen. We'll talk
about the storylines of those of that game. The areas
where the Cowboys couldn't get things going, there were quite
a few of those. We'll talk about that. But before
we get there. I do want to start by talking
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about the trade deadline. They looks like the Cowboys have
made one move already. Jerry alluded to on the radio
this morning with one O, five dot three the fan
that there is more maybe in the works. He wouldn't
be specific, but there were more that at least is
being discussed. Let's start first with the move that they
did make. They traded a seventh round pick for linebacker
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Logan Wilson, a position where they really do need to upgrade.
I think we all have been very clear about that.
Let's start first with the scouting report. What do we
know about Logan Wilson as a linebacker and what maybe
he can bring to this.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Team processor, solid and coverage and I think what like
a good way to kind of frame all this is
like versus what you have now. I think he'll be
the best cover linebacker that you have right now. He'll
be one of the better processing linebackers right now. If
you woke up this morning, you were probably underwhelmed thinking
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that we're gonna get a Quinn Williams type character, or
well I can't say names over here, or just one
of these type of characters that's real hot in the
streets right now, right one of those elite type characters.
Logan is not an elite type of character, but he's
much better than what you have right now in terms
of processing versus run and versus the past. I think
he's a he's a solid tackler. There's a lot of
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talk online about why he was benched. He wasn't bench
because he was bad. He was bench he didn't want
to be there no more, and Cincinnati was all like,
all right, cool, we're gonna bench you because it is.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But just me watching this film.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
He was a good to solid player all the way
up until the point to where Cincinnati sat him. And
he's much better than anything that you have right now.
So when brother Jerry said that it'll be an immediate impact,
I mean he wasn't lying. You know, he'll be much
better than what you have. Not to say that he's
a top tier, elite type guy, but he's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Much better than what you got.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
So he's not really lose, no, just playing in the
same division.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Good.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Okay, that's good. Maybe some of that rubbed off.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think that I think Vauchanel this guy, I mean
to me, when you look at him and you you
start to as much as the Cowboys have been playing,
like the zone coverage and stuff. We saw a little
bit last night though a little bit more of the
man coverage stuff, you know, with we did a lot
and those kind of guys. So that was encouraging that way.
That's what everybody's wanted to see them do. And you know,
I think for the most part, uh, you know, there
were some times where actually, uh, you know, the pressures
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and things like that were were good. I think the
thing with Logan Wilson, though, you you get a guy
that when you're asked to play a specific coverage and
to say, it's a drop linebacker zone coverage and he's
supposed to go to a specific area, he's going to
go to that area, and he's going to be aware
when things come behind him. And and and that's where
I think the Cowboys have really struggled this year. And
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and and it maybe it's a little bit more it's
about Murray and no, it's about a rookie guy like
Shamar James having to play a little bit and so
the lack of inexperience there maybe a guy that doesn't
play with the awareness that you need right now you
did get a guy, as I've said, that can play
in coverage, that can play downhill, can play the run,
can tackle well enough, is not going to be in
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bad spots when it comes to what he's asked to do.
He's going to be where he needs to be, but
he's going to also be able to make some plays
for you. That way it is. It is an upgrade.
It's not as you mentioned, adding ray Lewis or something
like that, or sequon you know, or or or our
guy bro Kwan Smith. Yeah, from you know that kind
of thing. It's not that thing. It's it's a solid
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football player that for the scheme that they're trying to
play here that we've seen here through nine weeks, will
be beneficial for them.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Basically, you can see him starting whenever Demo comes back,
that'll be the pair. But he's not stopping you from
drafting a top tier linebacker next year.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Basically agreed is he an.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I was like, I've run into Brian halftime, but last night,
by the end of that game, I'm like, screw the trades,
forget the trades, I don't care keep your picks whatever.
I'm done with this mess. But then you sleep on it,
and then you wake up and then you see the
news and you're like, okay, okay, that's all right, I
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take okay, I'll take that, and a few more if
you got them, Because again you start analyzing, you're like, okay,
you look into the future, it's a guy that's gonna
be here for a few years. And then on top
of that, you gotta remember what you got left in
the season. Regardless of whether you think the Cowboys are
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gonna make it through or not, you still have some
tough teams to be to face, and you've already been
embarrassed a few times with other teams, and now you
gotta be able to survive and not look like a
hot mess. Because even if you think that you're done
with the season, which you're not, you're still in it.
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But even then, Bran, even then, if you end up
looking even worse after facing these teams in the second
half of the season, where's morale gonna be for everybody
else on the team, regardless if you make a change
in coaching or not after the end of the season.
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But overall, light the trade bring some more because we
gotta keep improving somehow. But he's a guy that definitely
gives you a lot more than what the guys that
you currently have on the team. And also, I think
it takes some things, some pressure off over shown shoulders
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because when he comes back, we've been talking about him
coming back, and we all know that you cannot expect
him to be completely magical and all of a sudden
change the defense. But you got someone like him come
in and beat that duo there. I think you're gonna
definitely improve the defense overall for the season. And I know, no,
you need help a defensive tackle too, You need help
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there in the line. So maybe there's somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Else got all Davey Jerry on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Here's one thing I do wonder and I started thinking
about that this this morning, looking at the linebacker position
and the fact that they're bringing in Logan Wilson and
they're waiting for Overshowing to return, and you look at
the linebackers that they've been playing primarily here for the
last couple of weeks with James and Murray. Is it
a bit of a I'm think of the best way
(07:30):
to kind of say this, but do you think that
this is an indictment in some ways on lea foul
that during this time when they haven't really been able
to get much going at linebacker, he hasn't been the
one to be able to step up and get more
of those snaps, even ahead of James, who was a rookie,
and it seems like he's getting more burned. There is
that somewhat of an indictment on lea file and where
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he is in his development.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think it's an indictment on the scouting department itself.
And I say this because you've got guys that le
foul was drafted by the previous regime and now you
start to talk about fits. Was this the right fit?
Look at Demone Clark drafted by the previous regime. To that,
you know, you have a lot of players that were
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that are here drafted by various They had an idea, Hey,
when we draft these guys, this is what we're going
to do. This is our guy. And then all of
a sudden, well that didn't work out, Well let's get
another guy. And then well there's another coordinator. Oh hey,
we we we sat in here during the draft and
when the coaches came in, and they coaches came in
and the day three and everybody to the scouts. Everybody's
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raving about Leafel. Everybody was raised. And I don't blame
the kid, but you got to understand that probably there's
some things that that they're looking at. They're like, well,
he doesn't do exactly what we wanted.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
To do, what they need, and that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's the problem. And you wonder why that, Maybe should
they have gone quicker on with the Logan Wilson thing.
You know, all of a sudden, you you're looking at
you're looking at this, this this defense, and you're like, man,
we're not very good at linebacker right now. You know,
maybe Logan Wilson should have been here two weeks ago.
(09:11):
You know why? Why? On why? On trade Day? And
that's why I'm and I say, I blame the I
blame the personal department. But it's that's unfair. The thing
that the fact that they're they're bringing in guys and
it's well, he's not a fit, he's not a fit,
he doesn't do what we you know, look at look
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at all. There's just plenty. This this defense is littered
with those guys. And I think that's the thing that's
unfair is that we're you're players who haven't developed for
the previous regime, have absolutely no shot of developing for
this regime.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
You know, Brother Brian, brother Eagleton and Barlita. Some interesting going.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Go ahead. I'm going on.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
With this with this coaching staff. That's very interesting. And
I just want to watch myself to not sound too arrogant.
At the end of the day, Man, I'm a dude
with a camera and a microphone. Nobody special. But I
do trust my eyes. And I say this during draft
season all the time. I encourage everybody to just trust
your eyes because more than likely you know you're right
if you just you know what I'm saying, Just follow
your gut. But it's a common theme around what's happening
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with this staff this year to where when I'm in camp,
I go, boy, perry On tearing it up out there, yea.
And somebody hit Brian's golden phone and said that they
don't believe that perryonoll be all that much of a
upgrade and what we got, And I say, what damn.
You know, we'll clearly see Dovin Ezaraku and James Houston
as better options.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But boy, you know, it took them cats.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
A long time to get Fouler and and old old
Samuel rotated around this thing.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It's something else that's going on around here. I wouldn't
say that it's Maris's fault. Marriage can only do what
he's asked to do. But sometimes he's coming games where
he's only had ten snaps and he'll knock somebody out
in one play, or he'll cause a fumbling another, or
he'll do something. He may overrun some as well. But
this is my biggest issue. If Mari's is you know,
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if he doesn't have the ability to do what they're
asking him for. Kennith Murry don't either. Keeping the buck
with you Schmart really hadn't been doing it neither. Themon't
have it either. So now I can't cuss on this show.
But there's a point where you got to scoop up
the stuff off the floor, throw it at the wall
and see what sticks. And every week with my eyes,
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I'm waiting on this coaching staff or this organization, whoever
in charge, I don't know. I don't work here to
see what sticks. But they never picked the stuff up
off the ground. It seems like the vibe around the
organization now is that I Kenni Murray, we gotta find
a better option than you. That's just the reality of
what it is. This is a results based business. Derek Eagleton,
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You trust your eyes. You've been saying this since week
folk or something like hey man, what's going on? And
Barb been saying since week five or something.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Like, hey man, we cap to shared Me.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Said like hey man, Sence Training Camp.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Said, well, pardon me. I'm just I'm just trying to
cut it. I feel like we can. We're not experts here.
I'm saying that for also me, but I trust my
eyes enough to go, hey man, this cat, that that
that y'all ain't been playing, I've seen him do good things.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
In a game.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
To Marris's point, I've seen him in games do good things.
What's stopping y'all from trying or making an attempt? Because
your offense is so bad, I mean, your pardon me,
your defense, your defense, I'm upset your defense is so
down into the thirty two's what's stopping you from making
the attempt to see what.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Is it going to get worse?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Is it can't get no worse?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
So there's something extra going on with you know straight
he is a cat that don't know the planes, because
it's people on the field that don't know the planes.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
They did it yesterday with with with Carson. I mean,
and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to take.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You out of this because because it's six other names.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But yeah, no, no, but no no. But they they
they got tired of seeing what was going on at corner.
They got tired.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
They were like the same thing happened to right tackle.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah yeah, but see the right tackle he had his
the guy filled in had.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
What I'm saying, Like they at that point they were
just kind of like, yeah, I mean, I I.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Am, I am okay, I am totally okay to everybody's
point of like, hey, you know, and if I was
in the personal department and I had to say and stuff,
I would say, are we are we cool? By should
we think about this? You know? And they'll say, well,
just you worry about scouting, And I go, well, I
am worrying about scouting. I'm trying to get maybe some
better players or do we need to go get tell me,
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do we need to go get better guys? Obviously, they
felt like they needed to get a better linebacker when
maybe they have some guys on here that could actually
be be you know, what they were looking for. That's
the unfortunate thing. I think. I just feel like that
the I made the big deal about the three different coordinators,
the way and the way that this organization. And I'm
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not killing him for this because coaches are involved. But
when you have that type of input, your team is
going to well, he's not our guy. He's not our guy.
Oh that's our guy, you know, and so.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
But if you ask gonna get fired. Somebody need to
be your guy.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I agree, I totally agree. I think to me that
I think the thing about it was though with the
whole thing. I'd love to see Mary Slea Foul play more.
But I worry that Marus Leafoul was beloved by a
previous regime and it's hard for him to get headway
even though you can the eye test that vach is
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talking about appears that he probably needs to be playing
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
I think sometimes coaches also have a tendency. They'll see
certain characteristics that they like and certain.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Care around these guys all the time, right, And the thing.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
That happens is the characteristics they like, they keep waiting
for that to show up in games like Kenneth Murray.
You look at him and you look at his build
all those things, and you're like, man, he looks like
he should be a really really good middle linebacker. And
I'm not saying they're basing this decision on just how
he looks, but I'm saying there may be traits in
what they see in him where they're like, man, if
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we can just get.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Him there, we get him there, he can get there.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
And then they may on the flip side, may look
at Merrison and be like, ah, it's this one thing
that we think will be a hindrance. We just this
one thing keeps bothering us, and it forces them to
not make the decision.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Let's just put him in there and see how he plays,
all right.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think those are the things that sometimes happen, and
I think those sometimes the things that holds coaches back
because they see something and it either is really good
or really bad, and they're like they can't get past
it for to really see here's the production level of
that person.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah, but I'm really interested to see what's gonna happen,
uh during this by week kind of the behind the
scene decisions that are made because something that I thought
was really interesting was the decision and I know we
have to go to break, but the decision that Schottenheimer
made in the first quarter where they decided to go
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for it on fourth down instead of kicking that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I know, we get that, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
But my point to that, and we'll get into it
and when we come back, But the thing is behind that.
It just goes back to sure, I know he trusts
his team, but there's a shift there of where now
maybe he's not necessarily trusting the defense at this point anymore,
and he's saying, hey, we're.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Going for it.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
This is we know what we get on the defense,
but we'll talk about it.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
This goes right back to trusting your eyes, believe what
you see, how to win for it too.
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It is the second segment of the Break live from
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get into this game. The first thing that happened in
this game that I think is noteworthy, and I think
it's set the tone for what happened yesterday. Cowboys have
an impressive first drive. They get down in a goal
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to go situation. It's now fourth and goal. Well, I
think they had four yards to go, fourth and fourth, fourth,
fourth and goal at the fourth and fourth down, and
they opted Shody opted to be able to go forward
on fourth down as opposed to kicking the field goal.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
It was not successful turnover on downs.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
When it happened, actually before it happened before, when they
first made the decision they were going to stay out there.
Nick and I looked at each other and we both
are like, don't like this decision. I think for me,
the purpose that the reason why was because I think
in those kinds of situations, it's one thing if it
would have been fourth and goal at the one, or
fourth and goal with the two, fourth and goal with
the four, to me, feels like there is less of
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a chance you're going to convert it. And quite frankly,
I think the momentum shift that happens when a team
is being gets driven on down the field all the
way down the gets into a goal to go situation
and then gets four stops. I think that's a big shift.
And on top of that, your defense is not one
that you feel like, hey, if they stop us here,
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that's okay. They're gonna be backed up in three plays,
they'll be punning. That's not the kind of defense that
you have. And so for that purpose. I thought, you
need to get these street points. Points are important. Points
are very important every time you go down the field
because guess what, every time the other team gets the ball,
they're probably gonna get points. Whether it's a field goal
or a touchdown. You need to keep up. That was
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my rationale.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
What would you get?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
What did you guys think as it happened, not considering
the outcome? What do you think of the decision before
the outcome?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
You know, Derek, is interesting that all the points you made.
I feel like that's the exact same damn points I
can make irrationalize while you go for it on fourth down,
because you could be like, well, the Cardinal's gonna score,
so we should take the points. That's my point. We
should be scoring seven because they gonna score.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But they're not always gonna score a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I think they always they not yesterday And you say
it not hindsight, Yeah, hindsight. Jakob Brusset looked us out
one time. Do you overthrew it a little bit to
the right, Maybe had a little miss there and a
penalty and a long little something there. But for the
most part, if I'm Brian, shot and hire me in
my mind, I go, man, we ain't gonna stop nobody today,
and that'll be the reason why I'm constantly going for six.
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I'm gonna be constantly going for sick, especially if I'm
the Cowboys offense. After that drive where you couldn't really
stop me at all, I'm going, hey, man, even if
I don't get it right here. In my mind, if
I don't get it right here, I'm just gonna keep
doing this again because.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Y'all can't stop me. They eventually stopped you.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
But in my mind, my thinking is I can't trust
this defense whether they got a drive ninety five, thirty
fifty or seventy six. I need to put not only
score at score every time. I need to get six
every single time because I've been in games this year
to where we've kicked for three and I go, man,
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three not gonna get it right there. Three is not
gonna get it right there. So you you all can
have the point. And this is a two on two
because Ambar is fnna make the point, so you all
can make the the point of at that point in
the game, I wouldn't have I think this defense is
so terrible every point in the game is that point
in the game. I said this earlier talking to Brian.
If you watch the broadcast view, there's a point in
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every single game where the broadcaster goes, hey, man, this
seems like the play of the game here where you
know it's either gonna this or this or this. I
think that happens every single time the Cowboys getting a
situation like that, and it's either zero, three or six
every single time. So watching that, knowing that, I just
had faith that Jacob Bras said was gonna drive down
there and just do his thing. I'm like, bro, if
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we don't get seven right here, it could get bad.
It just happened to get bad because you didn't score nothing.
You ain't scored nothing, so it got bad. But either way, Ambar,
police Hambor, no no, no runs on my team, no
no go ahead, Bright Sugo, World War.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Let me, let me, let me bring to the let
me bring to the court of public opinion. Exhibit a
second half drive of the Cardinals, the first drive of
the second half. That that right there is all you
need to know that every time you see a three
play march the way they did. They come out the
first pass is fifty five yards. I'm thinking oh okay,
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you know, haven't had a chance for my right out
of half time, right at halftime. This is I think,
actually the defense. I think there were some moments where
they were actually pretty good yesterday later in the game.
Thank your offense lets you down yesterday, I really do.
But exhibit a for me of why go for it
was exactly what happened on that. Every time I think
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it's going to be the drive that started the second half,
I just do. I just don't. It's a huge play,
it's another huge play, and then it's a walk in
touchdown or somebody falls down or they miscommunicate. I got
to take I got to have every I got to
have every opportunity to have seven there. I just can't.
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I'm like fog, I'm sitting there thinking like that, you know, hey,
I've done this before. I could drive it on them again. Okay,
we'll just saddle back up and and do it again.
But they but they didn't. They didn't. They never got
back to that. But I just think this defense, like
I said, it's that that second half drive, just that
that just reminded me of where they are at on
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defense at times. And that's that's always why I would
never punt, and I would never and I'd always go
for the touchdown on the situation.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
But you know, I think that's also where I look
at it. I'm like, after that before before they went
forward on fourth down, I believe what you just said, Brian.
I was like, Oh that was that was a really
nice drive. Ye Oh, they'll be back. They'll keep doing
this all day. And the moment they didn't get that
fourth down, that's when the doubt started to creep in
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of like is this gonna be like it was last week?
Is this going to be this offense and not really
being able to get everything going as they.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Need to consistently throughout the game to keep up.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And I think that's why when I say momentum shifts,
that's what I mean by momentum shifts is it's one
thing when you can have a really great drive, if
that ends in three points, you come out of that
drive feeling like, Okay, we did some good things. We
go next time we're getting in zone. You come away
from that drive with zero points and you were at
their four. You come away from that like what just happened?
(26:25):
Like Yeah, But I'm saying I think I think those
are the kind of momentum shifts that I don't want
to give the other team that. There's no reason to
give them that that early in the game. Take your
three points. It's there for you. By the way, as
bad as this defense has been, and now this is
gonna sound really weird. It sounds like we're really setting
the bar extremely low. But most games this year, they
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haven't given up a touchdown every time, they've given up
a field goal at least some of the time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So my thought is, if you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Keep up, at least you need to score every drive,
like you need to come away with at least three
every drive in.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Order to keep up. Coming away from zero is just
not an option.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Here's my thing, and I agree with most of what
you both said, but my problem is the timing of it.
I did not like for that decision to be made
right off the bat in that first drive. And I
had issues with that drive because even though they did
have some good ones, there some good plays. You gotta
(27:25):
drop from uh from Scooonmaker and then Ferguson and those two.
I was, you gotta, you gotta feel the vibe, you
know you can't do you gotta I was feeling it, well,
I should say I was not feeling it. Something was
just like ehh, because you can set the tone. Yeah, sure,
(27:47):
let's set the tone. But if you make it, you
do the opposite if you don't. So it's not always
very smart to do that. And sometimes we've seen it
with this offense this year that it kind of takes
a few drives, maybe after the first drive to that
for them to you know, get to the end zone,
but right there to begin, right off the bat, and
(28:09):
it just gives me a sense of we're like, oh, now,
we're not trusting the defense at all right off the bat.
And credit to the defense actually, because this is the
most I've seen them do when you talk about stats,
I mean, I was busy posting graphics yesterday from the defense,
things that I have us all year in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
In Spanish, Oh well yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Oh, you don't follow. You don't follow someone.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Because I don't speak. I thought you spoke, yeah wow.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Because you don't seem like type person that's ever shot
Dice in a in a bad neighborhood before.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You don't seem like type maybe Derek.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
But there's certain things that you wouldn't do normally but
urgency requires you to take chances.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
By the way, haven't either you know.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Maybe you know, maybe like there's an't belief that, but
go ahead. There's a certain circumstance that's making you do
this dangerous thing. Traditionally in football. I even heard like
Babe talking about it, right, traditionally in football, Brand talked
about it too, old man football. Yeah, take the points
and play defense. But we're in a bad neighborhood. We
(29:18):
need to get this money and go. There needs to
be more urgency to the table because of who we're
dealing with.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'm saying I'm.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Going for it. You're playing at home, which you have no.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
No, no, no, you're not scared of going for but
you're scared of going for early.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You're saying early.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm not strive.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think we're in a bad.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Enough neighborhood where we need points all the time because
it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yes, that's the point, Yes we need points all time
if you have a chance.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But if you have a chance for three, you know
you're not in a position to be like three just
saying I don't care about three, I won't want you.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, that's where we disagree.
Speaker 14 (29:56):
You're in a position where you need points wherever they
come from.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
You tell I'm gonna get a safety, Yep, bring it on.
I need to give me how many I need points?
How many times I don't think three is enough?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
How many times, Derek, have we been in these games
where it's like we're kicking too many field goals?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And you're like, going, we're kicking too many field goals today.
We're kicking too many field goals today.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
I make that assessment once I'm into the second and
third quarter and we've now kicked three when we've been
in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I don't do that on the first drive.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
On the first drive, I say I had a nice drive,
I got down in the gold to gold situation, they
got me to a fourth down. I take my three
might and the next time I'm getting in these did
you feel like that Arizona was gonna stop you though?
When you got down there in the on the four
yard line.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Honestly, I was shocked that they stopped them.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I I think you had momentum.
I do think you had some.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And that's what and if you block, if you block.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you block, if if, if Steel doesn't get overwhelmed.
You got Ferguson wide open in the corner, but the
quarterback couldn't get there. I couldn't even go through his progressions.
And I understand that part of it. But to me,
I'm I appreciate the coach trying to make I mean,
he was trying to say, let's finish this thing off please.
(31:07):
I mean, to me, kicking the field goal would have
been like, damn, we just drove this and did and
we just sixteen yards, fifteen yards, eighteen yards, and now
we're kicking field goals. That seems like kicking a field
goal to that's like a win for them.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's a win for them. But guess what, they don't
even need momentum. We so bad.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Zero was a bigger win for them. That's my point,
and that's my whole point is again, I hear what
you're saying. I'm just for me at that point in
the game. If it would have been a little later
in the game and I'm seeing, Okay, this is a
consistent thing. We're getting in the red zone and we're
not getting touchdowns. At some point you say Okay, we're
gonna go for it, right, We're gonna go for it
at that point in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
First drive, you had a successful drive.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Why give up the momentum, take the points that are
there for you, and see what happens the next time.
Like keep extending, keep right, let's keep.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Going next year. I'm with that.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I think a normal defense, I'm with it a normal season,
but I think how bad your defense is expedites the
urgency that.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Hey man, I've just seen.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Russell Wilson throw for four fifty yeah and foe touchdowns
against these cads. I know Jacoby gonna get busy because
that's what all the quarterbacks have done this year. Bow
Knicks put forty on these people. I'm not just gonna
just assume that they're not gonna get six. Right, yere,
I'm going for it every time I'm gambling.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
All right, let's take our final break. We will come back.
We'll get into some other topics. It's taken a lot
longer than I thought it would. Oh, we got a
lot to get to and by the way, we got
another show tomorrow, so we'll get back to it. We'll
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Speaker 2 (35:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
I didn't want to talk about the offensive line yesterday.
I think really both tackles, well, you could actually say
all three tackles retackles, all three tackles struggled yesterday, and
coming into this game, I don't quite remember it.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I don't recall us talking last week about this being
some vaunted pass rush and these defensive ends. I know,
we know josh well, we've seen Joshua josh We's a
good player. Don't get me wrong, He's not a bad player.
But I did not expect yesterday he would be a
beast like he was, And it seemed like there were
all kinds of issues at the tackle position when it
came to stopping him and others.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Well, I have told you so got there? You know,
did you hit that yes last week?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
I'm not bran tell tell him I'm not told so good.
But I was like, hey, man, if it's a way
that they can whoop up on you, it's putting pressure
on the table. I did kind of say that there,
but I'm not here to be told. So you forgot already.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Maybe you didn't express it strongly.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I expressed it strong Maybe it was kind of like
this could be a possible.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You talked about this for We talked, but you know
what it is.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
It's like sometimes when someone just talks so much and.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Just give me.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Hard for the other person's giving exactly.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Right, and have some class, just say I was right first,
and then you can go into your little joke.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
The compliment you never stopped talking about. Are the offensive
line man? So he does always talk about.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Honestly, I was not expecting Leis Campbell too, I said,
I know Clais Campbell.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Is a good player.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I know Josh Sweat's a good player. I didn't expect.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Them because what we've seen so far, and this is
This is I guess where the questions going. What we
saw yesterday was not necessarily a huge departure from what
we've seen at other times this year. There have been
other times when games where Dak was under durest the
entire Yeah, it turned out like this.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What was the difference justice.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Dak couldn't avoid, he couldn't get avoid. Dak has Dak
has been the deodorant for a lot of pressures every week.
When we break down the games, you you go through
the offensive line and you go three pressures, four pressures,
five pressures, four pressures. Everybody's got multiple, multiple pressures. So
to me, this was a game where we'd seen Dak avoid.
(37:34):
Our previous games, we'd seen Dak avoid pressures and make
those throws. This game wasn't one of those.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Was it about the coverage or the receiver's not getting
opened quick pressure pressures.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's like, but all of a sudden, when when Dak
was looking for someplace, and if you look at the
five sacks, they all have a common thread. It's somebody
getting pushed and Dak trying to step and then gets captured.
It usually Dak is able to kind of step out
of stuff or spin out of stuff and then go
He couldn't do that when when he tried to move
or navigate in the pocket, he couldn't go anywhere. And
(38:09):
then and then you know, you had his own lineman
on top of him and the guy you know, or
getting around or it was a quick move inside, and
now he's trying to avoid and he okay, whoa he
made he made that defensive tackle miss. But oh wait,
here's the guy, you know, here's the end that's going
around Nate Thomas. You know that that was the game yesterday.
(38:30):
Dak's inability to avoid the quick pressure was their downfall
on those five sacks. In my opinion.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Also, if you're a pass rusher and you know that
passes is coming, then you can rush freely. The threat
that you can get hit back in the mouth slows
you down a little bit, you know. And I think
that when the defense puts you in a place where
you have to throw the football, you can't run as.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Much because the run game was actually performing.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
The run game was phenomenal until the wouldn't please.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, this is the thing that you and I talked
about this morning. Though, watch teams are okay with you
running the ball they're like, it's it's kind of like
the Vic Fangio old way of like, sure you run
the ball, Fine, you can't. You know, you're not gonna
score any points. You know, we'll figure it out. We'll
figure we'll stop and we'll make you play. Eventually, you're
gonna have to throw. But look, every every every it
(39:20):
seems like every week Dallas plays. They have a really
good running game. We talk about every week. It's like, wow,
the guy had eighty yards, guy had one hundred yards,
guy had seventy five. Wow, it's a good running game.
Like it's it's to the point where Dallas's running game
is not helping them because teams are just saying, yeah,
go ahead and run. And they're worried about Dak. They're
worried about Pickens, they're worried about Lamb, they're worried about Ferguson.
(39:43):
Those are the guys that are worried about those. The
guys are gonna kill him in a game. It's not
it's not Williams, but Williams has done a really good job.
But every time every time we said yeah it's a loss,
what happened, Oh, well, Williams ran the ball well the
other team's going, yeah, great, you lost, you ran the ball, great,
but you couldn't do anything else, you know. That's that's
that's the issues right now there, And he's okay with you.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Don't You don't think it's an issue though, of the receivers.
You think that's just it's just a situation where basically
their offensive line is not protecting well enough that cover.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
That cover four stuff is no joke. And Dak is
usually a cover for a killer. But the way that
these guys played, you know, you play ninety three percent zone,
you know, and you make it difficult, and you know
you didn't you didn't have the downfield chunks that we've
seen from this, you know. I mean, Dak had to
make some really some great throws, but the protection, the
(40:38):
protection wasn't wasn't there for him. And and when when
they the route running too late in that game, and
I wrote down in my notes there was some playground routes,
you know, but when it gets when it gets third
and seventeen and it gets fourth and whatever, you know
they're going to be But they they just they had
a hard time getting through that at getting through that
(41:01):
Arizona secondary.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
They really did when you mentioned the receivers, because it's
easy to assume all the receiver didn't make that play.
But then on some plays, when you look at it
and you look at the pressure that Dak is having,
it throws off the timing. It throws off the timing
of when the ball is supposed together, when he's supposed
to make that throw, and just a few seconds screws
(41:22):
up the whole play. So I felt like there were
several of those happening, and if you really dissect what's happening,
it all falls back to the offensive line, the protection,
and Dak being off his game too. I think now
it's starting to affect us that it's also like, Okay, well,
in previous games where they were more successful, Dak was
(41:46):
the one covering up the whole mess that was happening
at the offensive line. So they've been getting pressure before
and Dak has been able to come out of it successfully.
So now is it just a matter of just the
holland on the defensive line of the opposing team that
is just better than the previous teams that they've been facing.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
I think Josh can Rush, I think Zaven Collins would
be one of the better rushes on your team right now.
I just think that you got in a situation where
you can't run the football and you're behind, and you
cloud the coverage and its Cover four, Cover six or
Cover two whatever they decided to run out, and you
just Terrence just didn't stand much, you know, much of
(42:26):
a chance like that.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know it just it is what it is.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
But but but Josh Sweat is like he ain't them guys.
But if there's a tier like right up under there,
Josh Swat.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Right, He's had some moments in his career when he
has played Terrence Still, and he's given Terrence Still some problem.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Didn't he have like two saxophone Super Bowl last year
something like that when with Eagles. So I mean, no,
go get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a bad
at all bad pass rusher. I just did not expect
him to just and it was like they were just
moving him around. He was whooping everybody in front of him.
And it made me just think, like there is no
real answer at this point for the Cowboys if all
three of them are going to play like they played yesterday.
(43:03):
Because you thought, okay, well, we could always slide Nate
in there, Nat'll be fine. He can kind of stabilize
things if one of the two isn't play well.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
But they didn't have a great day, and so it's like.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
When all three like, what recourse do you have at
that point when neither of the three tackles that you
have that you're running out there are playing at a
level that you need to play.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Real answers run the football, but you can't. You can't, right,
so call Tyren Smith or something. Everything else ain't working.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
All right, We appreciate you, guys. Jones. We're gonna back tomorrow. Tomorrow,
you know it's gonna be a wednesdy.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
But we might do a little bit of Brian's diving
into the brain of Brian brought us because don't have
a team to get ready for this.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Week, so we'll do a little of that.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
We maybe hit a little more tifty more topics from
that game that we didn't get to today. We'll do
that for tomorrow for Vatch Lombardi.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Brian brought us.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, they happened today.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Hopefully hopefully they'll be a little more well.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Go take y'all calls. Basically what he's saying, go ahead,
it's a it's.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
A Gumbo show. We're gonna do a lot of different things,
all right. For Wach Lombardy, Brian brought us Nabragard. See
I'm Derek Eton. This has been a break live on
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