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Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, Derek Eagleton and Ambar Garcia discuss stand-out players and moments from the first training camp practices and battles between the offensive and defensive lines.
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Speaker 7 (00:38):
It is Thursday, July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, Season
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Welcome to the show. We've got forty five minutes with
you guys. Talk a little Cowboys football.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We're into it.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
Pads have not come on yet, but Cowboys have had
several practices. We're gonna start today's show the way that
we're gonna start pretty much every show. While we're out
here with some observations, We're gonna go around the table
and I want you guys to do two things for me.
I want you to give me an observation of a
specific player, something you've seen over the last two practices,
and also an observation of a moment, just giving people
(01:31):
an idea of what camp is like, what practice is like,
what things are drawing your attention as you've watched these
first two practices. Let's start with you batch.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Okay, so let's just do moment first.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And it's gonna sound like low hanging fruit, but I
promise it's gonna answer a lot of questions. Right There
were some you know, cowboy fans, people that were just
curious if you know, Schottenheimer is such a player's coach,
if he's so cool, like, will that get in the
way of discipline? Will that get in the way of
waving his finger if he needs to? Well, there was
a fight over there over there on the fence, and
(02:00):
you know we're not trying to get hurt here, you
know what I mean. That's the one rule of camp, Like,
get through camp and get out of it healthy and
Shoddy said.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Turn the music off. NBA Young Boy was on. It
was cut off.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
We called a huddle to the middle of the field and
he cussed everybody out twice. He cuts me out, but
he called everybody. Everybody with pads and helmets, well with
helmets on, got cussed out. He was like, hey, let's
stay healthy, Dan, what we're here to do? If I
see it again, you're going home? Do you understand? Do
you understand? He said it twice. I was like, man,
so there is a side of Shoddy that can keep
guys on track if it, you know, gets bad or whatnot.
(02:33):
So that there were just people that were just asking
what happens. If X y Z happens, Shoddy will raise
his voice, get people back in line, and NBA Young
Boy will cut right back on it, will get right
back to practice.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I thought that was important.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
That was a daddy moment right there. Hey, that was
a real daddy moment.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Shot.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
He's a first time head coach, and most time head
coaches are young if it's for the first time, but
he's like an older young dude right Like he's been
in the league for like thirty years, so he's.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Been he's fifty something, so he's fifty something, so he's grown. Man,
he has dad later like that you're about to say
something about my age. Okay, but.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
A shot.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
He does have that dad diaphram where he raised his
voice and kept it kept everybody online, and we didn't
have a peep out of anybody, you know, for the
rest of the day.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So it's cool, good preaks.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Yeah, there's moments when you got it, when the kids
are doing they thing. There's moments when Dad's got to
be like, all right, everything stopped for a minute, I
need to have a conversation. And then you lay it
down and you say, okay, let's go back to what
we were doing.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Plus on top of that, like you know, just the
previous day it was the whole Sam slow down thing. Yeah, right,
so maybe it's like two days it's like, hey, we're
not here to get hurt, chill out before something bad
happened to somebody up in here.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So I thought that was important.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
I think it's a little annoying for me because I
am trying in a way to stay mad. Not that
I'm trying to stay mad, but it's like after all
these years, you know, ever season you know, you know,
you don't want to get excited again and fall for it.
Speaker 9 (03:56):
You're like, you know, no, no, but it's hard to
to stay upset or not get excited when you're watching
what is happening in front of you and in front
of your eyes, and seeing the new dynamic and energy
that he's bringing, the culture that he's creating here with
the team.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
He's doing everything right again. We can only wait and
see what's gonna happen week one. That's what's gonna be
the reality of it. But right now he's doing everything
that he should be doing as a new head coach
and here with the team. Before I continue, real quick,
I wanted to give a quick shout out to all
(04:32):
the fans that come out here and support the show.
It's surprising every time I meet someone and I'm like, oh,
people actually listen to this show, and it's like, oh yeah,
people do this. Okay, no, no, no, this show was
developed before you were here. Okay no, no no, But
(04:54):
thank you so much to all the fans that come
and support and watch the show, listen to the show
and come out here as well. Something that stood out
to me and and Joe Milton, we keep talking We
talked about it during OTAs and everything that he brings
with his athletic ability, and this is not usual in
the NFL. But I'm just thinking, like, man, what if
(05:16):
we created some creative new concept where he's just he's
running and running. He's just so athletic. And now some
of his throws need some work there as far as precision.
But when you see that, you can only think, hey,
(05:37):
what if would what could this look like? If you
create this dynamic where you have Dak and him interchanging
here and there. Obviously, you don't want to create a
specific pattern where every time you see him getting on
the field you're gonna know, oh, he's gonna run the ball.
You want to get creative in that aspect. But how
fun would that be if you actually saw so of
(06:00):
that where now it's a quarterback dual type of work
that you're getting on the offense. I think it would
be something very amazing because you could really utilize his
legs rather than risk Dak's legs and him running, and
then take advantage of what Dak brings into the passing game.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
The moment for me happened in day one, and it
happened when Deron Bland ran down George Pickens and knocked
the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
For two days now, we've seen turnovers.
Speaker 10 (06:31):
We've seen we saw We've seen interceptions to the point
where Dak Prescott went over to Elam and asked, what
where were you? How did I miss you? What wore
you think? What did I do to make you track
me to get this interception?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know?
Speaker 10 (06:47):
We've seen fumbles. We saw yesterday too with Donovan Wilson.
Williams catches the ball in the flat, hammers the ball
on the ground. I'm watching drills right now with the
linebackers where one line intercepts the ball, the other picks
the ball up off.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The ground and runs. Brian Schottenhemmer talked about this.
Speaker 10 (07:05):
He is he is adamant that this team is going
to be one of the top ten teams when it
comes to creating turnovers.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
That for me has been very, very evident.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
This is something that they probably brought from the Star
and Frisco out here with the type of defense they
were gonna be. We're gonna create turnovers, you know, and
they're doing a great job of it through the first
couple of days.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
And I'll tell you this Brian, I also look at
the flip side of that. I was mentioning to someone
as we were watching practice yesterday and we were seeing
all the turnovers, and I was thinking, this can't do
anything but also help the offense from the standpoint of giveaways,
because from the first day of camp, man, they're coming
to get the ball, so they think. And as you've
seen these pack practices go on, you start seeing guys
high and tight. More and more you see guys high
(07:47):
and tight. And the reason why is because they have
to be aware of it, because the defense is aware
of it, and I think that just helps this offense
be even more prepared to not give the ball away
on the other side, So giveaways, takeaways, I think both
of them are highly important.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
University of Texas Man yourself, Jayden Blue is probably saying,
thank God, it's somebody else fumbling the damn ball. He
think that he's the one guy that But you do
see the turnovers, and you do see the effort in
the pre practice stuff and how they're working on that,
and then you've seeing it carry over to the actual practices.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Darren made a really good point about the fumble, like
you know it helping the offense or whatnot. On that fumble,
brand Pikins was running away from Donovan Wilson. It was
gone from Donovan Wilson and Deron Bland just kind of
shows up, right, So it's not over to you in
the end zone until the whistle blows. So if I'm
an offensive player, all right, I feel like I'm out
running Donovan Wilson greatly.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But you never know the schemaker had the same thing happened.
Speaker 10 (08:45):
Yes, Scoomaker's running up the field and I'm taking a
good Schoomaker and the next you know, they're coming behind
three guys they're hammering the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
It was another thing that Shotty talked about where he
talked about how he wants them to finish plays, and
that's what the finishing the play is for the defenders
is like the play isn't over. Keep going for the ball.
For the offense, now they have to keep running. You
have to keep thinking about ball security, like all those
things are part of what's being coached. And this goes
back to what you were saying Amber, like, I don't
know if what Shoty's doing is gonna ultimately end up
(09:15):
in wins and losses. What I know is I think
I think he is a really good leader. I think
he is he understands how to create a culture, and
I think from that standpoint, that's a good foundation. Now
we'll see if he can coach. We're starting to see
some of those things as that's like, oh yeah, he
knows how to think about the small things that end
up being big things. And I saw that a lot
with Parcels. I got to watch years of Parcels being
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here and he would do things. I didn't get to
see all those. I did hear about some other instances,
but I think I think the thing about it is
you saw the little things that he would incorporate into
his practices that became big things on game day. And
so I'm seeing some of those same kind of things
now that really make me think he knows what he's doing.
(09:59):
He has a big for Holly wants to coach.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
You remember we were all at the Meadowlands at one
night when Billy Kundif kicked those all those field goals.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah, there was out of the house play, a pass to.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
Briant and then a play and then a field goal
for the you know, to get it into overtime.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
And that was all coaching. They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
They knew exactly what they were doing that last sequence.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
So let me just say I wasn't always buying into
this whole energy thing. Like, you know, when I first
saw the you know, some of the first highlights coming out,
I'm like, boy, we're doing a whole bunch of shouting
and running around and I just didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I didn't understand it.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
And Brian still doesn't like the loud music, right, but
just kind of being here and we're at the end
of practice and the defense is still flying around like
maybe it's something right, and I'm and and look just
just for everybody that's watching, right or just you know,
listening right now, there's literally when anything happens. I think
there's a coach that's paid to run a sprint whenever,
and we're waving and we're sprinting, and.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You know, and you see that like the tight ends
having to get on the ground and do the push up. Sure,
so you see you're back to the accountability type of
thing that you were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
So you know, I'm just saying I wasn't buying it
at first, but if we're gonna be getting turnovers late
in the practice and you know, the offensive kind of
died down towards the end, but the defense is still
up here, and that's where some of those you know
picks and you know, you know fumbles come from, then
maybe it makes sense that they need to scream and
run around a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Whatever works.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I don't care if you go and win the Super
Bowl and you've done it by screaming and running around
in practice.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Keep screaming and running around at practice. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
The interesting part will be now, I think we've all
seen these things, these shades of moments where it's like, okay,
I'm seeing it. Here will be the test. Does that
consistently remain as we get into week two, week three?
You know, do they continue to have that same level
of energy because right now, everybody's excited to be back
in football.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Cool, right, right?
Speaker 7 (11:42):
You get you get to week two where it's kind
of like, you know, you've been doing this a little while,
your body aches a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it changes
a little bit. And I think that's where I want
to see if this really is being coached from the
standpoint of when guys don't want to do it. The
coaching still gets them in the mindset to do it right,
and I think that's gonna be key as the next
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phase of how we watched this evolution of a shot.
He taken over the reins as a head coach of
this team. Let's second our first break. When we come back,
I want to talk about Trayvon Diggs. He had some
things to say after practice a couple days ago. We
didn't have a show, so I wanted to kind of
get back to that because I thought there were some
interesting things he said that could color some of the
conversation we had the day before that. When we come back.
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Welcome back. We are in the second segment of the Break.
We are live from Oxnard, California. It is day three
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go uh real quick. I did, I did. Want to
also get some player, uh some some some observations you
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guys had of players. Let's let's go through the list.
You guys, tell me a player and I'm gonna go
to you first this time. Give me a player that
stood out to you over the first two practices.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
You know, cave on to Turf and you.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Can't use the quarterback Milton.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
No, I gave you a moment before the moment Joe
Milton decided to run. That's called a moment. Okay at play, Okay, Okay,
Now I'm going with the player, gotcha, cave on to Turpin.
He has a different little gear energy to him, like
some some umph to his run because and maybe it's
him trying to make up for the bad stuff that
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he did off the field and getting yelled at and
getting some repercussion there and now he's trying to be
an extra good student on the field. But the way
he's running, it's with intention, with power, the speed that
he has. Again, you know, he's been he's gone to
the Pro Bowl, and he had a great season last year.
(16:30):
But I think it's carrying over and that's what you
see in right now on the field. Very excited in
the way that you see him being utilized. You see
him a lot more right now currently. He's been in
a lot of the place he's been handled the ball,
throwing the ball and running with it. So that is
something that's exciting to see. Obviously, every time you see
that kind of speed on the field, that's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Your wildcat quarterback. My prediction, that's what that's your waldcat.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Yeah, you heard him mention we might be doing a
little wildcat.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, yes, I think it's a great observation. That's where
we're at.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Gonna be your waldcat guy.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
You know, my guy and I had a lot of
questions about this guy coming into camp because I didn't
feel he looked very comfortable catching the football last year.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But Brevin spanned four the.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Last couple of days has caught my eye in a
very positive way. Hand placement has been better, you know,
with the way he looks comfortable.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You know, it was always one of those things.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
He's not always going to separate, but he's got to
be able to have good hand placement, be comfortable catching
the football. There was a particular play out here yesterday
where Dak rolled to his left, hard left throw and
span Ford along that sideline along the boundary guy on
his back able to kind of reach out catch the
football security and then get out of bounce, but keep
his both feet and bounce. He's had several plays where
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he's made very difficult catches look comfortable. Good start for
Brevin span four.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Yeah, I saw the exact same play and it popped
up for me as well. And then it combined with
a couple other plays. While I saw him catching some balls,
I'm like he might be a player that he might
be a real play for them.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Uh you know context, you know, I have been watch
nothing but trenches, you know, I don't think it's smart
to try to watch ninety guys.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
You're gonna miss something.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
And I'll just let everybody else cover the pickings catches
and the turpance catch. I'm gonna focus on old line
and D line. So I was watching Tyler Gouiden yesterday,
and I've been incredibly critical of Tyler Guidon. Now none
of this matters till pass come on. But you know,
if we're talking about shoving guys, leaning on guys, pancaking guys,
we could talk about pass then. But Tyler Goiden one
of his issues was where do his hands go?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Where his feet? Are you leaning? Are you leaning too far?
You know? Do you know the plays? Right? Tyler Goyden?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Five times I said in a row, let's go TG,
Let's go TG. And that's important to me because I
was incredibly critical of guiding right. But I'm just watching
them versus Marshawn Kneeland, Sam Williams. When Michael comes back,
it's gonna be a fun little matchup to watch. But
just as of now, the guys that Guiden is going
up against, Tyler Goiden is taking care of his business,
not in a push you around way. Pads aren't on,
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but just some of the things he was bad at
last year, technically he's much better at those things now,
and he's gonna have to keep doing those things because
they're bad habits. Bad habits kind of creep back up
on you. But it's much different than what he was,
not even just this time last year, but towards the
end of the season last year, he's much farther along.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Shouts out to do matterworth?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
How about balance and knee bend with him?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, so, Tyler, Guiden is six seven, and you know,
the first thing that they teach you in football school
is low man wins. So if you're six seven, you
gotta get low. But you can't bend at the waist
because they'll just pull you down. You know, you don't
have balance. You have to try to find this balance
of keep your feet wide enough, keep your knees bent,
and keep your chest up. But you're still six seven
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trying to get low. So Guidan's had to find that balance.
So when I'm watching him pass have nothing to do
with this, I'm seeing Guiden bend his knees. More could
be yog, it could be whatever, but he's bending his
knees more, hands are firing more.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Sometimes he wouldn't even fire his hands.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Sometimes he'll just hug people, and you don't want people
getting in your chests like that. But him punching, striking, moving,
bending knees. Good job, TG, keep doing it, don't stop.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, think about out there, Yeah, things about it. For
people out there who are trying to kind of visualize this,
it's kind of like if you've ever done a squad.
I don't know how many of you lift weights, but
doing a squad you kind of want to keep your
back straight and keep your chest up. You don't want
to lean over and hunch over because then it's bad
for your back. It's the same thing with the offensive line.
They're kind of have to get in this set where
they're upright and then work from there use their hands.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
You know, like like this, you know you want to
get in front of I.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Will not sit up there. I will not get up
there and do that. But y'all see my point. The
point is that's that's what you really want to see.
And I think sometimes he leans a little bits, and
especially as a bigger guy, he can't do that. Uh,
And so I'm happy to hear you say I haven't
spent a lot of time watching him. I'm happy to
see that he's working on that technique part because that's
really the big key for him.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Also, two guys, and you know, he wasn't a naturally
powerful guy. So if you're not a naturally powerful guy,
you have to build confidence in technique in those things,
and he just didn't have technique. For example, Cooper bebe
the same rookie class, he didn't have those same problems
because he's strong as hell. Tyler Smith strong as hell, Bookers,
strong as hell, of the old cowboys, you know, uh uh, Zach, Tyren, Travis.
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Their strong as hell game is the first of our
first round picks that wasn't just naturally out the box
strong as hell. So he's got to get big, get strong,
work on his technique. He's had the longest road to
go out of all these guys, So just me watching
them a little bigger, that's a good thing. Working on
his technique. We just got to see if that strong
at hell have you know, caught.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Up to him.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Let me ask you another question on that point. One
of the things you've always heard about offensive lineman is
they gotta have a good punch, right they gotta be
able to kind of get guys off of them twits.
I did see. I did see that. In the offseason.
There was a little video of him out kind of
shadow boxing, sure, and I know some some players have
taken to boxing in order to kind of develop that
a little bit. How important is that? Talk about how
important that is particularly for his game with his size,
(21:45):
with all the things he's working on technically, how important
is that part of his game? And where was that
last year relative to to where he needs to be
long term.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
At the most novice levels of offensive line, they just
kind of teach you to shoot both hands and kind
of go, you know, go for the middle of the chest.
We're at the advanced levels of ball, so your hands
can't be tied together now. So it's really chess matching
out there. If you watch Tyrone Smith, great example of it.
He is switching his looks up every single time. If
you're trying to get past me, and I'm shooting every
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time like this. Even Ambar Garcia can grab my wrists,
she can slap my hands down, she can move around,
she can get under me. But if I'm working my hands,
you know, could be this hand could be this hand. Hey,
low hand here, high hand here, You're adding tools.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
To your belt.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
It may look like we're all doing this, I say, well,
because I'm a X offense linean, it may look like
we're all doing the same thing, but I'm really just
setting you up. Sometimes I can leave my hand out
to make you think you're gonna attack it, bring it
back and replace. So making your hands work, you know,
just separately of each other, is just adding more tools
to your belt. And that's incredibly important for Tyler because
he's guiding because.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
He's not strong as hell.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
So as he's building power and strengthen things, you can
win just by simply I have confidence in my solo
right hand punching you in the right place to then
gather it with my left. Or if if I know
that Sam Williams has this lean this lean on me
moved that he likes to do, I can confidently go,
I'm gonna grab that hand now and then gather with
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this hand. So working your hands independently, that's something that
they try to tease these. If you watch after practice
brock Hoffman's kind of punching bags doing this, that's what
boxing is. You don't box like this you box and
you set up and you throw hands independently.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
That's the same thing as offensive.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, the think about too. The biggest fear, the biggest fear.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
And I'll make this real quick, the biggest fear that
Tyler guydon hasn't when he gets when he's not strong,
as Fox is talking about, you get over extending. You
try and use your head to make up for the
lack of power in your upper body. You lead with
your head and then all of a sudden you become
over the top of your feet. That's his biggest fear
that he is not strong enough to stop a edge
(23:44):
charge rush. And so we talk about guys like Tyron
Smith and people like that. It's the punch and all
of a sudden when that rusher stops. So anytime you
can make a rusher start, stop and start again, you
got an advantage ball out. We saw yesterday with quick game.
You know they'll throw the quick screen on you and stuff.
So that's the thing that that Gian is to have
(24:06):
to work on the most is can he be Can
he be patient with his hands? You don't want to
throw your hands because sometimes you get guys that will
that will play and they won't give.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You any hitting service, They'll they'll turn.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
And they'll try and get around you that way and
then grab your shoulder and pull. That's his biggest fear
he's got to think about. Okay, how do I place
my hands with my lack of power right now and
keep this guy in front of me. There's been times
where he mentioned last year we saw hands outside the
body kind of bear hugging and holding on.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That's when you get the hold of his whole flag. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Yeah, the main thing I was gonna say, The main
thing is getting that technique down. Now, can I give
a little snake big of the documentary? Okay, Well, we're
working on a documentary about the old Line Travis.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Not just the line, the line of the two thousands, the.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Line mister Travis, Frederick, Tyron Smith, and Zach Martin. So
interviewing those guys, I mean, it's gonna be great. So
I hope you guys are ready to watch that. Yes,
And in this process I've learned a lot about them,
talking about their techniques, what made them so great and
(25:17):
some of the things that you do. Yes, you have
to get down that technique, the handwork, the foot placement
and all of that but then the mental part comes after,
where you can only learn in games when to really
adapt to that player, you have to be able to
not just know the techniques just let your body react
to what is happening, but the mental thing of like
(25:38):
knowing your opponent and like, Okay, this guy made this move.
I gotta do this to throw off and make up
for that lack of power per se. And that's why
you like to practice like the one we're gonna have
with the Rams against the Rams. Moments like that is
great for guys like these and he's gonna they're gonna
be able to take that opportunity to hopefully in the
(26:00):
preseason learn that where it becomes just like natural. Now
you're just reacting and adopting to whoever you got in
front of you.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
That's good stuff. We uh, you just mentioned we're doing
a Deep Blue As everybody knows, we do Deep Blue
every summer. Deep our Deep Blue documentaries. We have three
of them that we're gonna be rolling out later this summer.
That is one of them. We'll give you a more
of a sneak break over the next couple of days
or weeks of the other two that will be coming
out but yeah, we'll be starting up that. I think
not not next weekend, the week after that. I think
it's gonna be like that Thursday when we're gonna roll out.
(26:31):
You're the second we're gonna rolling those out. We got
some go this year. I think you guys are gonna
really really enjoy those documentaries. Are We're gonna take our
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Thank you, gets out, Welcome back. Final segment of the break, California.
We're still working there, We're working, we're working back from
a break and uh and we're almost there. We're almost there.
We're almost on the point where we will do this well,
I guess heading into the season. All right, here's what
I want to talk about. I want to talk about
Trayvon Diggs. I am he and Micah. It was interesting
(29:52):
they joined press conference. They came out and did a
joint press conference literally uh the first day, and they
addressed a lot of things. And I actually I appreciated
it because I think sometimes players can kind of go
into a shell and I think this is just my
own business way I look at it. I think sometimes
players don't quite take advantage of the media in the
(30:14):
way they should. I think organizations are really good of it,
good with it. They understand how to kind of work
with the media to be able to get the messages
out they want to get out. I don't think players
always do. And I thought it was well done by
them to be like, all right, let's go out there
together and let's just talk and we'll be able to
get out a lot of messages, and they did that,
But the one thing I wanted to kind of zero
in on. There were two things I think that Traybon
(30:35):
said that addressed two things that we had talked about specifically,
one of them being his decision to train in Florida
as opposed to being here, and the other one being leadership,
just the general idea of leadership. Let's start first with
the decision to train away from here and not be
here for all the offseason. Here was this quote, he says,
(30:58):
they do a great job here. I just felt like
it was in my best interest to go somewhere to
get the full undivided attention. I needed massages and the
whole nine yards to better and further my career, to
make sure I'm good ahead of schedule and that I
can perform well. Like when I tore my ACL, I
came back a whole two months earlier because of the
(31:18):
work I put in during the off season off the field.
My work is gonna show what I put into, It
is gonna show on the field. You guys think that's fair,
because I think the way that we talked about it
was more like the fact that he wasn't here. Yeah,
But the flip side of that is, if he had
some experience where he was able to work back from
(31:38):
an injury and he felt like he was better when
he came back at a better timeframe, why wouldn't he
want to do the same thing in order to get
him and again that helps the team him getting back
and being healthy and faster. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Yeah, I think the thing that about that whole when
you look at that, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, the front
office have a huge, huge goodwill or thought about their
their their training staff and Britt Brown. That's that's I
think this is where this really all kind of the
stems from. I think that they're like, listen, you know,
(32:11):
there's a reason why we have these guys. There's a
reason why we have a Britt Brown. You know, we
want you working now. These players have the right to
do whatever they want to do. And you know he
gave up, you know, half a million dollars to go
and do something heath that he felt was right for
him and good for him, if that's what the case.
But does that put them behind in knowing? Does does
(32:32):
Britt and them now know his situation is it's okay great. Hey,
you did all these things. You look great, but I
need you to be able to do this football move.
I need you to be able to do this. And
so you know, is it is it put them behind
a little bit, we'll see. But if the player feels
good about it, good for him. I just know the
front office has the utmost respect for Britt Brown. And
(32:55):
in the National Football League, there's a lot of teams
that have a lot of respect for Britt Brown out
here in jimre And these trainers, you know, I know
everybody talks about every year they have the grades that
come out, you know, in the athletic report about I
think that's more about the grades come because the Cowboys,
you know, maybe they don't have a large number of
trainers on their staff. That's I think more of a
question than it is about the ability of these trainers
(33:18):
to get the players back.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
On the field and real quick. I will just say
he did make a point of saying at the beginning
of that they do a great job yere. So I
don't think it was in any way. I thought Trayvon
taking a shot at the training staff here. I think
he respects what they do as well.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I thought that this.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
I thought that this was going to be a problem,
and I personally went up and ask for it Brown myself.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I said, hey, he goes, listen, he goes. It's great,
and he wants to do that. He goes. I love
to work with these guys.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
You know that you've seen me, You've known me for
fifteen years now, Brian, he goes, he goes, but he goes.
Diggs and I are fine. Don't don't get that twisted.
Diggs and I are fine.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You know.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
I thought there was a little bit of I hate you,
you hate me kind of thing. That's really not the
case at all. So they're gonna have to put some
feelings side here, you know. I mean as far as
maybe the you know, maybe before that. You know, Britt
likes to work people very very very hard. You can
ask the quarterback, you can ask over shown, you can
ask all these guys that have gone through these programs.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Britt is a guy that really pushes you.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
We see it every day on the practice fields there,
either here or at the Star. He wants to get
you back, but he has your best interest in mind
as well. But I was happy to hear he's like, listen,
I don't have a problem with Dix.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I hope he doesn't have a problem with me either.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Will said Brian.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Is not too much that I can add to that,
but I just you know, this is the new way.
Like if players aren't one hundred percent comfortable with something
and you have the means to go do it, then
go do it. We probably won't see this out of Well,
I take that back, because these college players are like
millionaires willionaires now coming into the league, so they have
their own guys and maybe like, hey, look, I've had
(34:51):
this one trainer since I was at high school where
I was making a million dollars. So this may just
be the new way that the league is going, and
maybe the Joneses have to adjust, like, hey, this is
an old days where we in charge and everything has
to be done our way. There are some superstar caliber guys,
you know. Lamb is another kind of guy. Dak typically
does things you know, this way, But if Dak had
another way of doing it, we would have to understand
(35:11):
because that's just the new way of these superstar guys
and just how they do So it just is what
it is.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Well to me, the way I see it is, it's
always good to get both sides of the story, because
initially your brain automatically starts creating this narrative in your
head of like, well, this guy's not committed to the team,
what is he doing, Well, he's supposed to be a leader,
blah blah blah blah blah. And the fact that he
spoke and said that exact quote was very refreshing and
(35:38):
eye opening to me because two things can be true
at once, like, yes, you have a great staff here.
That doesn't great work Ray Brown, he does a phenomenal job,
but not everything needs to fit in one box. It
doesn't mean like you have so many different bodies, different
personalities that maybe your program might not necessarily be what
(36:01):
this specific person wants or needs at that moment. And
the players are free to get the help outside help
that they need during the off season. And if he
feels that his body, that's what he needed. And just
like Micah Parson said, his body is what it is
making him money, Like that's his body. He needs to
protect that. He needs to be able to get it
(36:22):
in shape the best way that he can. Otherwise they're
gonna cut him, like you're gonna see him out of here,
out of the team. So I appreciated that. And again
not to say that they have a conflict I don't
know between him and Britt Brown.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But didn't seem to think so. Yeah, but it's a
hard guy, listen, he is. He is a he's a
hard guy to work with.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
I mean, I I've known him for for a long time,
fifteen some odd years.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
But the results are the results.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But the results was.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
A coach, let's say it. But maybe I worked better
with Chris as a coach and training me right now,
there's all different kinds of person.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, I think the only thing.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
I think the only thing that that that the Cowboys
the front office that Jerry Jones is looking at it.
It's like, Okay, I paid you and then we went
through this whole rehab thing last year, and then I
had to call you out about your rehab and now
we have another injury and now you're completely gone away
from this. I think that's the disconnect right there. I
(37:17):
think it's really the owner general manager having the issue.
Everybody else is kind of left there to pick up
the pieces of like, Okay, we've got to work with that.
I saw him work with Britt yesterday, so he's gonna
do everything he can't, hopefully to get back on this
field more sooner than later.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They need him to play. They absolutely need him to play.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
The other quote that I thought was interesting was actually
regarding leadership, and he says personally, I'm not a vocal leader.
I'm not gonna be screaming and yelling at guys. How
I'm gonna lead is by what I do on the field,
how I perform, practice hard, and work hard. That's how
I lead in my way. I'm going to continue to
lead in my way. I'm not going to change who
I am, or change how I am, or start talking
(37:55):
and being a vocal guy. That's just not me. That's
not who I am. But I lead in different ways.
I feel like the things I do on the field
and in practice show enough. And what it pointed out
to me was I think there is this I'm starting
to wonder, like what is Jerry's definition of leadership? Because
I agree with what he says. I think there are
(38:16):
lots of different ways you can lead, And I think
you know you don't have to be the raw ride
guy in order to lead and lead well. The challenge
for me is if there's an expectator, if what Jerry
is looking for in leadership is a consistent presence, because
with a consistent presence means the young guy who gets
(38:38):
an injury doesn't say, Hey, I'm gonna go train in Maine.
He says, Hey, I'm gonna train in Dallas, or and
here's my big thing. Or I'm gonna talk to the
front office and talk to my coach and say, hey, coach,
I feel really good about this program I took in
Miami that got me to where I needed to be.
Tell me when you need me to be here, and
(38:59):
I'm gonna be here, and then at the same time
I'm going to be I'm gonna spend the rest of
the time in Miami in order to make sure you're
doing a little bit of both. And maybe in that
way you don't get fined. Maybe you were here instead
of the eighty percent of the time, Maybe you're here
seventy percent of time or sixty five percent of the time.
But they're cool with that, and they don't end up
finding you because there was a conversation I was at
and maybe he had that conversation. I don't know. I'm
(39:20):
just saying I look at it and I say, I
think you gotta really define leadership. I don't think anybody
is asking him necessarily to be the rob rob guy.
I wonder if it's more just they're expecting you to
be present, and that's where you got to have the
conversation if you're not going to be present.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I know, you know, Diggs was saying hey on the
field and at practice that's where I lead at with
Jerry's saying okay, but there's rumors that you're not working hard,
and I'm up here telling you like, hey, man, you know,
you know Diggs may not be working hard like I
think the Cowboys when they think leadership, they want that
you know what you know when you draft Booker right
and you go, man, we have a thousand stories about Booker,
(39:56):
how he whooped the bank robber and walked the old
lady across the street, and or these other players that
didn't have anywhere to.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Stay for things if they stayed over at his house.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
That that's not necessarily raw rod guy, but that might
still be the way you move this public image, this
cowboy brand leadership that they might be looking for. And
Diggs is basically like, hey man, you know I'm not
roll model to none, but I can go out there
and play and you can see how I play, or
I may go out there and practice you can see
how I work. Out of practice. That's where my leadership stops.
So that's a good They may just be on different
(40:25):
pages of what they mean by leadership. And I don't
think Diggs wants to be the loud what Tank Lawrence
used to be, the type guy, and that's okay, I'm
gonna get in front of the media and say, Hey,
we're gonna do X y Z to the Saints. I
think Diggs is just gonna keep whispering to the media
and he's gonna have his friends out there, and I
think that's just what it's gonna be.
Speaker 10 (40:43):
You know, real quick. I know we're gonna up against
it that I'm gonna say this. I kind of feel
like that the Micah Parsons thing would have been done
to I think the leadership questions about him if this,
if it was two years ago, if Michaeh Parsons would
have shown, like two years ago that I'm this leader,
I'm the buying guy. I'm on you now. All of
a sudden, it's it's like, well, it's my turn to
be the leader now. You know, Michael Parsons could have
been the leader two years ago. He very well could
(41:05):
have been that. And I think that's kind of where,
you know, when Jerry starts to talk about leadership when
it comes to Parsons and Digs, I think it's about
exactly what you're saying. It's about being around every single day.
And that's the thing I think that kind of got
Michael Parsons and maybe in a little bit of a
bind right now our contract.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
I will say that if that is true then and
tell I tell people this all the time. Me and
my wife have this conversation, I talk to my kids
about it. I think you always have to allow people
room to grow.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I told you.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
So, let's assume that that's accurate. Now, let's assume that
two years ago he wasn't representing the level of leadership
that they wanted. If that's true, then I think in
the same way I think the Jones is and everybody
else has to give him that room to be able
to grow into that and for him to see, you
know what, that's what it takes. Okay, bet I can
do that and let him then grow into that and
be that right and not judging by what he was
(41:54):
two years ago, judging by what he's doing right now,
because I will say this this offseason, I've seen a
level of commitment and leadership from him, and sometimes you
don't see from guys when they're in contact disputes. He's here,
he's available. He may not be out there practicing, but
he's been around and I think that's I think that's
well see.
Speaker 10 (42:08):
But in their eyes though, it's kind of like, though
we needed you to be a leader the whole time.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
That's don't. Don't.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
Don't all of a sudden a contract years start saying
all the right things and doing all the right things.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
You know.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
That's Sam Williams is learning that right now. There's some
players at the crossroads of getting a contract extensions and
everything you hear about Sam Williams is boy's great. He's
doing this, He's doing this shot, he step thre at
the podium, Tony. He hadn't missed a day. Yeah, you know,
and maybe a time ago there wasn't a Sam Williams
being there every day and being committed.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Those contracts. New contracts will do some strange things to you.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
But he's never get land and guys like Big Tyler
won't have a problem getting deals because they've been this
way for four or five years.
Speaker 10 (42:46):
Jerry Steven Will McClay coaching staff will look at this
as like, I don't have to worry about these guys
showing up and being here every single day and being
a camel And I hate to say that that way,
but that's how the old school front offices think, you know,
And maybe maybe s Brian Schottenheimer will help the Joneses
understand it. Hey, we've got to let these guys have
some of the mottitude, let them grow. And right now
(43:09):
it's like, man, you know, Stephen Jones will say that
Dak Prescott's there every single day, that.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
Every single day, that has been the mature guy since
the moment he walked in.
Speaker 10 (43:20):
The Joneses love the guy that's at the facility every
single well.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
Also, I think, and this is just my interpretation of
the whole situation because we're not present in those conversations,
but I think that there's a disconnect and it comes
from communication. You might not be a vocal leader like
out there on the field, but if you are behind
doors going to your coach, going to whoever's in charge,
(43:46):
or the communicator communicate say hey, just like you said, Derek,
I'm going to do this and that, and I think
that is most often than not well received. And you
would approve of you doing that. And there is a
work there because I don't think I wouldn't expect Jerry
Jones or anybody on that side, on the football side,
(44:07):
to be asking anyone to change their personality. It's be
who you are, but also be present in a way
or and by being present, it includes just communicating and
having that open communication. And also remind me this is
a team sport. It's not just a you solo thing. Hey,
I'm gonna go out there and do my thing. No,
(44:28):
it's a team effort and you have to be able
to be accountable, be there and build those relationships with
the rest of the guys.
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It is Thursday, July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, Season
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Welcome to the show. We've got forty five minutes with
you guys. Talk a little Cowboys football.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We're into it.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
Pads have not come on yet, but Cowboys have had
several practices. We're gonna start today's show the way that
we're gonna start pretty much every show. While we're out
here with some observations, We're gonna go around the table
and I want you guys to do two things for me.
I want you to give me an observation of a
specific player, something you've seen over the last two practices,
and also an observation of a moment, just giving people
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an idea of what camp is like, what practice is like,
what things are drawing your attention as you've watched these
first two practices. Let's start with you batch.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Okay, so let's just do moment first.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And it's gonna sound like low hanging fruit, but I
promise it's gonna answer a lot of questions. Right There
were some you know, cowboy fans, people that were just
curious if you know, Schottenheimer is such a player's coach,
if he's so cool, like, will that get in the
way of discipline? Will that get in the way of
waving his finger if he needs to? Well, there was
a fight over there over there on the fence, and
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you know we're not trying to get hurt here, you
know what I mean. That's the one rule of camp, Like,
get through camp and get out of it healthy and
Shoddy said.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Turn the music off. NBA Young Boy was on. It
was cut off.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
We called a huddle to the middle of the field and
he cussed everybody out twice. He cuts me out, but
he called everybody. Everybody with pads and helmets, well with
helmets on, got cussed out. He was like, hey, let's
stay healthy, Dan, what we're here to do? If I
see it again, you're going home? Do you understand? Do
you understand? He said it twice. I was like, man,
so there is a side of Shoddy that can keep
guys on track if it, you know, gets bad or whatnot.
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So that there were just people that were just asking
what happens. If X y Z happens, Shoddy will raise
his voice, get people back in line, and NBA Young
Boy will cut right back on it, will get right
back to practice.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I thought that was important.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
That was a daddy moment right there. Hey, that was
a real daddy moment.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Shot.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
He's a first time head coach, and most time head
coaches are young if it's for the first time, but
he's like an older young dude right Like he's been
in the league for like thirty years, so he's.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Been he's fifty something, so he's fifty something, so he's grown. Man,
he has dad later like that you're about to say
something about my age. Okay, but.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
A shot.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
He does have that dad diaphram where he raised his
voice and kept it kept everybody online, and we didn't
have a peep out of anybody, you know, for the
rest of the day.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So it's cool, good preaks.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Yeah, there's moments when you got it, when the kids
are doing they thing. There's moments when Dad's got to
be like, all right, everything stopped for a minute, I
need to have a conversation. And then you lay it
down and you say, okay, let's go back to what
we were doing.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Plus on top of that, like you know, just the
previous day it was the whole Sam slow down thing. Yeah, right,
so maybe it's like two days it's like, hey, we're
not here to get hurt, chill out before something bad
happened to somebody up in here.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So I thought that was important.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
I think it's a little annoying for me because I
am trying in a way to stay mad. Not that
I'm trying to stay mad, but it's like after all
these years, you know, ever season you know, you know,
you don't want to get excited again and fall for it.
Speaker 9 (03:56):
You're like, you know, no, no, but it's hard to
to stay upset or not get excited when you're watching
what is happening in front of you and in front
of your eyes, and seeing the new dynamic and energy
that he's bringing, the culture that he's creating here with
the team.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
He's doing everything right again. We can only wait and
see what's gonna happen week one. That's what's gonna be
the reality of it. But right now he's doing everything
that he should be doing as a new head coach
and here with the team. Before I continue, real quick,
I wanted to give a quick shout out to all
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the fans that come out here and support the show.
It's surprising every time I meet someone and I'm like, oh,
people actually listen to this show, and it's like, oh yeah,
people do this. Okay, no, no, no, this show was
developed before you were here. Okay no, no no, But
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thank you so much to all the fans that come
and support and watch the show, listen to the show
and come out here as well. Something that stood out
to me and and Joe Milton, we keep talking We
talked about it during OTAs and everything that he brings
with his athletic ability, and this is not usual in
the NFL. But I'm just thinking, like, man, what if
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we created some creative new concept where he's just he's
running and running. He's just so athletic. And now some
of his throws need some work there as far as precision.
But when you see that, you can only think, hey,
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what if would what could this look like? If you
create this dynamic where you have Dak and him interchanging
here and there. Obviously, you don't want to create a
specific pattern where every time you see him getting on
the field you're gonna know, oh, he's gonna run the ball.
You want to get creative in that aspect. But how
fun would that be if you actually saw so of
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that where now it's a quarterback dual type of work
that you're getting on the offense. I think it would
be something very amazing because you could really utilize his
legs rather than risk Dak's legs and him running, and
then take advantage of what Dak brings into the passing game.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
The moment for me happened in day one, and it
happened when Deron Bland ran down George Pickens and knocked
the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
For two days now, we've seen turnovers.
Speaker 10 (06:31):
We've seen we saw We've seen interceptions to the point
where Dak Prescott went over to Elam and asked, what
where were you? How did I miss you? What wore
you think? What did I do to make you track
me to get this interception?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know?
Speaker 10 (06:47):
We've seen fumbles. We saw yesterday too with Donovan Wilson.
Williams catches the ball in the flat, hammers the ball
on the ground. I'm watching drills right now with the
linebackers where one line intercepts the ball, the other picks
the ball up off.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The ground and runs. Brian Schottenhemmer talked about this.
Speaker 10 (07:05):
He is he is adamant that this team is going
to be one of the top ten teams when it
comes to creating turnovers.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
That for me has been very, very evident.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
This is something that they probably brought from the Star
and Frisco out here with the type of defense they
were gonna be. We're gonna create turnovers, you know, and
they're doing a great job of it through the first
couple of days.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
And I'll tell you this Brian, I also look at
the flip side of that. I was mentioning to someone
as we were watching practice yesterday and we were seeing
all the turnovers, and I was thinking, this can't do
anything but also help the offense from the standpoint of giveaways,
because from the first day of camp, man, they're coming
to get the ball, so they think. And as you've
seen these pack practices go on, you start seeing guys
high and tight. More and more you see guys high
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and tight. And the reason why is because they have
to be aware of it, because the defense is aware
of it, and I think that just helps this offense
be even more prepared to not give the ball away
on the other side, So giveaways, takeaways, I think both
of them are highly important.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
University of Texas Man yourself, Jayden Blue is probably saying,
thank God, it's somebody else fumbling the damn ball. He
think that he's the one guy that But you do
see the turnovers, and you do see the effort in
the pre practice stuff and how they're working on that,
and then you've seeing it carry over to the actual practices.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Darren made a really good point about the fumble, like
you know it helping the offense or whatnot. On that fumble,
brand Pikins was running away from Donovan Wilson. It was
gone from Donovan Wilson and Deron Bland just kind of
shows up, right, So it's not over to you in
the end zone until the whistle blows. So if I'm
an offensive player, all right, I feel like I'm out
running Donovan Wilson greatly.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But you never know the schemaker had the same thing happened.
Speaker 10 (08:45):
Yes, Scoomaker's running up the field and I'm taking a
good Schoomaker and the next you know, they're coming behind
three guys they're hammering the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
It was another thing that Shotty talked about where he
talked about how he wants them to finish plays, and
that's what the finishing the play is for the defenders
is like the play isn't over. Keep going for the ball.
For the offense, now they have to keep running. You
have to keep thinking about ball security, like all those
things are part of what's being coached. And this goes
back to what you were saying Amber, like, I don't
know if what Shoty's doing is gonna ultimately end up
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in wins and losses. What I know is I think
I think he is a really good leader. I think
he is he understands how to create a culture, and
I think from that standpoint, that's a good foundation. Now
we'll see if he can coach. We're starting to see
some of those things as that's like, oh yeah, he
knows how to think about the small things that end
up being big things. And I saw that a lot
with Parcels. I got to watch years of Parcels being
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here and he would do things. I didn't get to
see all those. I did hear about some other instances,
but I think I think the thing about it is
you saw the little things that he would incorporate into
his practices that became big things on game day. And
so I'm seeing some of those same kind of things
now that really make me think he knows what he's doing.
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He has a big for Holly wants to coach.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
You remember we were all at the Meadowlands at one
night when Billy Kundif kicked those all those field goals.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah, there was out of the house play, a pass to.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
Briant and then a play and then a field goal
for the you know, to get it into overtime.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
And that was all coaching. They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
They knew exactly what they were doing that last sequence.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
So let me just say I wasn't always buying into
this whole energy thing. Like, you know, when I first
saw the you know, some of the first highlights coming out,
I'm like, boy, we're doing a whole bunch of shouting
and running around and I just didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I didn't understand it.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
And Brian still doesn't like the loud music, right, but
just kind of being here and we're at the end
of practice and the defense is still flying around like
maybe it's something right, and I'm and and look just
just for everybody that's watching, right or just you know,
listening right now, there's literally when anything happens. I think
there's a coach that's paid to run a sprint whenever,
and we're waving and we're sprinting, and.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You know, and you see that like the tight ends
having to get on the ground and do the push up. Sure,
so you see you're back to the accountability type of
thing that you were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
So you know, I'm just saying I wasn't buying it
at first, but if we're gonna be getting turnovers late
in the practice and you know, the offensive kind of
died down towards the end, but the defense is still
up here, and that's where some of those you know
picks and you know, you know fumbles come from, then
maybe it makes sense that they need to scream and
run around a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Whatever works.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I don't care if you go and win the Super
Bowl and you've done it by screaming and running around
in practice.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Keep screaming and running around at practice. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
The interesting part will be now, I think we've all
seen these things, these shades of moments where it's like, okay,
I'm seeing it. Here will be the test. Does that
consistently remain as we get into week two, week three?
You know, do they continue to have that same level
of energy because right now, everybody's excited to be back
in football.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Cool, right, right?
Speaker 7 (11:42):
You get you get to week two where it's kind
of like, you know, you've been doing this a little while,
your body aches a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it changes
a little bit. And I think that's where I want
to see if this really is being coached from the
standpoint of when guys don't want to do it. The
coaching still gets them in the mindset to do it right,
and I think that's gonna be key as the next
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phase of how we watched this evolution of a shot.
He taken over the reins as a head coach of
this team. Let's second our first break. When we come back,
I want to talk about Trayvon Diggs. He had some
things to say after practice a couple days ago. We
didn't have a show, so I wanted to kind of
get back to that because I thought there were some
interesting things he said that could color some of the
conversation we had the day before that. When we come back.
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Welcome back. We are in the second segment of the Break.
We are live from Oxnard, California. It is day three
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go uh real quick. I did, I did. Want to
also get some player, uh some some some observations you
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guys had of players. Let's let's go through the list.
You guys, tell me a player and I'm gonna go
to you first this time. Give me a player that
stood out to you over the first two practices.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
You know, cave on to Turf and you.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Can't use the quarterback Milton.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
No, I gave you a moment before the moment Joe
Milton decided to run. That's called a moment. Okay at play, Okay, Okay,
Now I'm going with the player, gotcha, cave on to Turpin.
He has a different little gear energy to him, like
some some umph to his run because and maybe it's
him trying to make up for the bad stuff that
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he did off the field and getting yelled at and
getting some repercussion there and now he's trying to be
an extra good student on the field. But the way
he's running, it's with intention, with power, the speed that
he has. Again, you know, he's been he's gone to
the Pro Bowl, and he had a great season last year.
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But I think it's carrying over and that's what you
see in right now on the field. Very excited in
the way that you see him being utilized. You see
him a lot more right now currently. He's been in
a lot of the place he's been handled the ball,
throwing the ball and running with it. So that is
something that's exciting to see. Obviously, every time you see
that kind of speed on the field, that's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Your wildcat quarterback. My prediction, that's what that's your waldcat.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Yeah, you heard him mention we might be doing a
little wildcat.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, yes, I think it's a great observation. That's where
we're at.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Gonna be your waldcat guy.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
You know, my guy and I had a lot of
questions about this guy coming into camp because I didn't
feel he looked very comfortable catching the football last year.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But Brevin spanned four the.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Last couple of days has caught my eye in a
very positive way. Hand placement has been better, you know,
with the way he looks comfortable.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You know, it was always one of those things.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
He's not always going to separate, but he's got to
be able to have good hand placement, be comfortable catching
the football. There was a particular play out here yesterday
where Dak rolled to his left, hard left throw and
span Ford along that sideline along the boundary guy on
his back able to kind of reach out catch the
football security and then get out of bounce, but keep
his both feet and bounce. He's had several plays where
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he's made very difficult catches look comfortable. Good start for
Brevin span four.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Yeah, I saw the exact same play and it popped
up for me as well. And then it combined with
a couple other plays. While I saw him catching some balls,
I'm like he might be a player that he might
be a real play for them.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Uh you know context, you know, I have been watch
nothing but trenches, you know, I don't think it's smart
to try to watch ninety guys.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
You're gonna miss something.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
And I'll just let everybody else cover the pickings catches
and the turpance catch. I'm gonna focus on old line
and D line. So I was watching Tyler Gouiden yesterday,
and I've been incredibly critical of Tyler Guidon. Now none
of this matters till pass come on. But you know,
if we're talking about shoving guys, leaning on guys, pancaking guys,
we could talk about pass then. But Tyler Goiden one
of his issues was where do his hands go?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Where his feet? Are you leaning? Are you leaning too far?
You know? Do you know the plays? Right? Tyler Goyden?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Five times I said in a row, let's go TG,
Let's go TG. And that's important to me because I
was incredibly critical of guiding right. But I'm just watching
them versus Marshawn Kneeland, Sam Williams. When Michael comes back,
it's gonna be a fun little matchup to watch. But
just as of now, the guys that Guiden is going
up against, Tyler Goiden is taking care of his business,
not in a push you around way. Pads aren't on,
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but just some of the things he was bad at
last year, technically he's much better at those things now,
and he's gonna have to keep doing those things because
they're bad habits. Bad habits kind of creep back up
on you. But it's much different than what he was,
not even just this time last year, but towards the
end of the season last year, he's much farther along.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Shouts out to do matterworth?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
How about balance and knee bend with him?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, so, Tyler, Guiden is six seven, and you know,
the first thing that they teach you in football school
is low man wins. So if you're six seven, you
gotta get low. But you can't bend at the waist
because they'll just pull you down. You know, you don't
have balance. You have to try to find this balance
of keep your feet wide enough, keep your knees bent,
and keep your chest up. But you're still six seven
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trying to get low. So Guidan's had to find that balance.
So when I'm watching him pass have nothing to do
with this, I'm seeing Guiden bend his knees. More could
be yog, it could be whatever, but he's bending his
knees more, hands are firing more.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Sometimes he wouldn't even fire his hands.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Sometimes he'll just hug people, and you don't want people
getting in your chests like that. But him punching, striking, moving,
bending knees. Good job, TG, keep doing it, don't stop.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, think about out there, Yeah, things about it. For
people out there who are trying to kind of visualize this,
it's kind of like if you've ever done a squad.
I don't know how many of you lift weights, but
doing a squad you kind of want to keep your
back straight and keep your chest up. You don't want
to lean over and hunch over because then it's bad
for your back. It's the same thing with the offensive line.
They're kind of have to get in this set where
they're upright and then work from there use their hands.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
You know, like like this, you know you want to
get in front of I.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Will not sit up there. I will not get up
there and do that. But y'all see my point. The
point is that's that's what you really want to see.
And I think sometimes he leans a little bits, and
especially as a bigger guy, he can't do that. Uh,
And so I'm happy to hear you say I haven't
spent a lot of time watching him. I'm happy to
see that he's working on that technique part because that's
really the big key for him.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Also, two guys, and you know, he wasn't a naturally
powerful guy. So if you're not a naturally powerful guy,
you have to build confidence in technique in those things,
and he just didn't have technique. For example, Cooper bebe
the same rookie class, he didn't have those same problems
because he's strong as hell. Tyler Smith strong as hell, Bookers,
strong as hell, of the old cowboys, you know, uh uh, Zach, Tyren, Travis.
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Their strong as hell game is the first of our
first round picks that wasn't just naturally out the box
strong as hell. So he's got to get big, get strong,
work on his technique. He's had the longest road to
go out of all these guys, So just me watching
them a little bigger, that's a good thing. Working on
his technique. We just got to see if that strong
at hell have you know, caught.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Up to him.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Let me ask you another question on that point. One
of the things you've always heard about offensive lineman is
they gotta have a good punch, right they gotta be
able to kind of get guys off of them twits.
I did see. I did see that. In the offseason.
There was a little video of him out kind of
shadow boxing, sure, and I know some some players have
taken to boxing in order to kind of develop that
a little bit. How important is that? Talk about how
important that is particularly for his game with his size,
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with all the things he's working on technically, how important
is that part of his game? And where was that
last year relative to to where he needs to be
long term.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
At the most novice levels of offensive line, they just
kind of teach you to shoot both hands and kind
of go, you know, go for the middle of the chest.
We're at the advanced levels of ball, so your hands
can't be tied together now. So it's really chess matching
out there. If you watch Tyrone Smith, great example of it.
He is switching his looks up every single time. If
you're trying to get past me, and I'm shooting every
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time like this. Even Ambar Garcia can grab my wrists,
she can slap my hands down, she can move around,
she can get under me. But if I'm working my hands,
you know, could be this hand could be this hand. Hey,
low hand here, high hand here, You're adding tools.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
To your belt.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
It may look like we're all doing this, I say, well,
because I'm a X offense linean, it may look like
we're all doing the same thing, but I'm really just
setting you up. Sometimes I can leave my hand out
to make you think you're gonna attack it, bring it
back and replace. So making your hands work, you know,
just separately of each other, is just adding more tools
to your belt. And that's incredibly important for Tyler because
he's guiding because.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
He's not strong as hell.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
So as he's building power and strengthen things, you can
win just by simply I have confidence in my solo
right hand punching you in the right place to then
gather it with my left. Or if if I know
that Sam Williams has this lean this lean on me
moved that he likes to do, I can confidently go,
I'm gonna grab that hand now and then gather with
(23:08):
this hand. So working your hands independently, that's something that
they try to tease these. If you watch after practice
brock Hoffman's kind of punching bags doing this, that's what
boxing is. You don't box like this you box and
you set up and you throw hands independently.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
That's the same thing as offensive.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, the think about too. The biggest fear, the biggest fear.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
And I'll make this real quick, the biggest fear that
Tyler guydon hasn't when he gets when he's not strong,
as Fox is talking about, you get over extending. You
try and use your head to make up for the
lack of power in your upper body. You lead with
your head and then all of a sudden you become
over the top of your feet. That's his biggest fear
that he is not strong enough to stop a edge
(23:44):
charge rush. And so we talk about guys like Tyron
Smith and people like that. It's the punch and all
of a sudden when that rusher stops. So anytime you
can make a rusher start, stop and start again, you
got an advantage ball out. We saw yesterday with quick game.
You know they'll throw the quick screen on you and stuff.
So that's the thing that that Gian is to have
(24:06):
to work on the most is can he be Can
he be patient with his hands? You don't want to
throw your hands because sometimes you get guys that will
that will play and they won't give.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You any hitting service, They'll they'll turn.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
And they'll try and get around you that way and
then grab your shoulder and pull. That's his biggest fear
he's got to think about. Okay, how do I place
my hands with my lack of power right now and
keep this guy in front of me. There's been times
where he mentioned last year we saw hands outside the
body kind of bear hugging and holding on.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That's when you get the hold of his whole flag. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Yeah, the main thing I was gonna say, The main
thing is getting that technique down. Now, can I give
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Speaker 7 (24:51):
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Line mister Travis, Frederick, Tyron Smith, and Zach Martin. So
interviewing those guys, I mean, it's gonna be great. So
I hope you guys are ready to watch that. Yes,
And in this process I've learned a lot about them,
talking about their techniques, what made them so great and
(25:17):
some of the things that you do. Yes, you have
to get down that technique, the handwork, the foot placement
and all of that but then the mental part comes after,
where you can only learn in games when to really
adapt to that player, you have to be able to
not just know the techniques just let your body react
to what is happening, but the mental thing of like
(25:38):
knowing your opponent and like, Okay, this guy made this move.
I gotta do this to throw off and make up
for that lack of power per se. And that's why
you like to practice like the one we're gonna have
with the Rams against the Rams. Moments like that is
great for guys like these and he's gonna they're gonna
be able to take that opportunity to hopefully in the
(26:00):
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you're just reacting and adopting to whoever you got in
front of you.
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Thank you, gets out, Welcome back. Final segment of the break, California.
We're still working there, We're working, we're working back from
a break and uh and we're almost there. We're almost there.
We're almost on the point where we will do this well,
I guess heading into the season. All right, here's what
I want to talk about. I want to talk about
Trayvon Diggs. I am he and Micah. It was interesting
(29:52):
they joined press conference. They came out and did a
joint press conference literally uh the first day, and they
addressed a lot of things. And I actually I appreciated
it because I think sometimes players can kind of go
into a shell and I think this is just my
own business way I look at it. I think sometimes
players don't quite take advantage of the media in the
(30:14):
way they should. I think organizations are really good of it,
good with it. They understand how to kind of work
with the media to be able to get the messages
out they want to get out. I don't think players
always do. And I thought it was well done by
them to be like, all right, let's go out there
together and let's just talk and we'll be able to
get out a lot of messages, and they did that,
But the one thing I wanted to kind of zero
in on. There were two things I think that Traybon
(30:35):
said that addressed two things that we had talked about specifically,
one of them being his decision to train in Florida
as opposed to being here, and the other one being leadership,
just the general idea of leadership. Let's start first with
the decision to train away from here and not be
here for all the offseason. Here was this quote, he says,
(30:58):
they do a great job here. I just felt like
it was in my best interest to go somewhere to
get the full undivided attention. I needed massages and the
whole nine yards to better and further my career, to
make sure I'm good ahead of schedule and that I
can perform well. Like when I tore my ACL, I
came back a whole two months earlier because of the
(31:18):
work I put in during the off season off the field.
My work is gonna show what I put into, It
is gonna show on the field. You guys think that's fair,
because I think the way that we talked about it
was more like the fact that he wasn't here. Yeah,
But the flip side of that is, if he had
some experience where he was able to work back from
(31:38):
an injury and he felt like he was better when
he came back at a better timeframe, why wouldn't he
want to do the same thing in order to get
him and again that helps the team him getting back
and being healthy and faster. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Yeah, I think the thing that about that whole when
you look at that, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, the front
office have a huge, huge goodwill or thought about their
their their training staff and Britt Brown. That's that's I
think this is where this really all kind of the
stems from. I think that they're like, listen, you know,
(32:11):
there's a reason why we have these guys. There's a
reason why we have a Britt Brown. You know, we
want you working now. These players have the right to
do whatever they want to do. And you know he
gave up, you know, half a million dollars to go
and do something heath that he felt was right for
him and good for him, if that's what the case.
But does that put them behind in knowing? Does does
(32:32):
Britt and them now know his situation is it's okay great. Hey,
you did all these things. You look great, but I
need you to be able to do this football move.
I need you to be able to do this. And
so you know, is it is it put them behind
a little bit, we'll see. But if the player feels
good about it, good for him. I just know the
front office has the utmost respect for Britt Brown. And
(32:55):
in the National Football League, there's a lot of teams
that have a lot of respect for Britt Brown out
here in jimre And these trainers, you know, I know
everybody talks about every year they have the grades that
come out, you know, in the athletic report about I
think that's more about the grades come because the Cowboys,
you know, maybe they don't have a large number of
trainers on their staff. That's I think more of a
question than it is about the ability of these trainers
(33:18):
to get the players back.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
On the field and real quick. I will just say
he did make a point of saying at the beginning
of that they do a great job yere. So I
don't think it was in any way. I thought Trayvon
taking a shot at the training staff here. I think
he respects what they do as well.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I thought that this.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
I thought that this was going to be a problem,
and I personally went up and ask for it Brown myself.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I said, hey, he goes, listen, he goes. It's great,
and he wants to do that. He goes. I love
to work with these guys.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
You know that you've seen me, You've known me for
fifteen years now, Brian, he goes, he goes, but he goes.
Diggs and I are fine. Don't don't get that twisted.
Diggs and I are fine.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You know.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
I thought there was a little bit of I hate you,
you hate me kind of thing. That's really not the
case at all. So they're gonna have to put some
feelings side here, you know. I mean as far as
maybe the you know, maybe before that. You know, Britt
likes to work people very very very hard. You can
ask the quarterback, you can ask over shown, you can
ask all these guys that have gone through these programs.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Britt is a guy that really pushes you.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
We see it every day on the practice fields there,
either here or at the Star. He wants to get
you back, but he has your best interest in mind
as well. But I was happy to hear he's like, listen,
I don't have a problem with Dix.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I hope he doesn't have a problem with me either.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Will said Brian.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Is not too much that I can add to that,
but I just you know, this is the new way.
Like if players aren't one hundred percent comfortable with something
and you have the means to go do it, then
go do it. We probably won't see this out of Well,
I take that back, because these college players are like
millionaires willionaires now coming into the league, so they have
their own guys and maybe like, hey, look, I've had
(34:51):
this one trainer since I was at high school where
I was making a million dollars. So this may just
be the new way that the league is going, and
maybe the Joneses have to adjust, like, hey, this is
an old days where we in charge and everything has
to be done our way. There are some superstar caliber guys,
you know. Lamb is another kind of guy. Dak typically
does things you know, this way, But if Dak had
another way of doing it, we would have to understand
(35:11):
because that's just the new way of these superstar guys
and just how they do So it just is what
it is.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Well to me, the way I see it is, it's
always good to get both sides of the story, because
initially your brain automatically starts creating this narrative in your
head of like, well, this guy's not committed to the team,
what is he doing, Well, he's supposed to be a leader,
blah blah blah blah blah. And the fact that he
spoke and said that exact quote was very refreshing and
(35:38):
eye opening to me because two things can be true
at once, like, yes, you have a great staff here.
That doesn't great work Ray Brown, he does a phenomenal job,
but not everything needs to fit in one box. It
doesn't mean like you have so many different bodies, different
personalities that maybe your program might not necessarily be what
(36:01):
this specific person wants or needs at that moment. And
the players are free to get the help outside help
that they need during the off season. And if he
feels that his body, that's what he needed. And just
like Micah Parson said, his body is what it is
making him money, Like that's his body. He needs to
protect that. He needs to be able to get it
(36:22):
in shape the best way that he can. Otherwise they're
gonna cut him, like you're gonna see him out of here,
out of the team. So I appreciated that. And again
not to say that they have a conflict I don't
know between him and Britt Brown.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But didn't seem to think so. Yeah, but it's a
hard guy, listen, he is. He is a he's a
hard guy to work with.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
I mean, I I've known him for for a long time,
fifteen some odd years.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
But the results are the results.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But the results was.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
A coach, let's say it. But maybe I worked better
with Chris as a coach and training me right now,
there's all different kinds of person.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, I think the only thing.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
I think the only thing that that that the Cowboys
the front office that Jerry Jones is looking at it.
It's like, Okay, I paid you and then we went
through this whole rehab thing last year, and then I
had to call you out about your rehab and now
we have another injury and now you're completely gone away
from this. I think that's the disconnect right there. I
(37:17):
think it's really the owner general manager having the issue.
Everybody else is kind of left there to pick up
the pieces of like, Okay, we've got to work with that.
I saw him work with Britt yesterday, so he's gonna
do everything he can't, hopefully to get back on this
field more sooner than later.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They need him to play. They absolutely need him to play.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
The other quote that I thought was interesting was actually
regarding leadership, and he says personally, I'm not a vocal leader.
I'm not gonna be screaming and yelling at guys. How
I'm gonna lead is by what I do on the field,
how I perform, practice hard, and work hard. That's how
I lead in my way. I'm going to continue to
lead in my way. I'm not going to change who
I am, or change how I am, or start talking
(37:55):
and being a vocal guy. That's just not me. That's
not who I am. But I lead in different ways.
I feel like the things I do on the field
and in practice show enough. And what it pointed out
to me was I think there is this I'm starting
to wonder, like what is Jerry's definition of leadership? Because
I agree with what he says. I think there are
(38:16):
lots of different ways you can lead, And I think
you know you don't have to be the raw ride
guy in order to lead and lead well. The challenge
for me is if there's an expectator, if what Jerry
is looking for in leadership is a consistent presence, because
with a consistent presence means the young guy who gets
(38:38):
an injury doesn't say, Hey, I'm gonna go train in Maine.
He says, Hey, I'm gonna train in Dallas, or and
here's my big thing. Or I'm gonna talk to the
front office and talk to my coach and say, hey, coach,
I feel really good about this program I took in
Miami that got me to where I needed to be.
Tell me when you need me to be here, and
(38:59):
I'm gonna be here, and then at the same time
I'm going to be I'm gonna spend the rest of
the time in Miami in order to make sure you're
doing a little bit of both. And maybe in that
way you don't get fined. Maybe you were here instead
of the eighty percent of the time, Maybe you're here
seventy percent of time or sixty five percent of the time.
But they're cool with that, and they don't end up
finding you because there was a conversation I was at
and maybe he had that conversation. I don't know. I'm
(39:20):
just saying I look at it and I say, I
think you gotta really define leadership. I don't think anybody
is asking him necessarily to be the rob rob guy.
I wonder if it's more just they're expecting you to
be present, and that's where you got to have the
conversation if you're not going to be present.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I know, you know, Diggs was saying hey on the
field and at practice that's where I lead at with
Jerry's saying okay, but there's rumors that you're not working hard,
and I'm up here telling you like, hey, man, you know,
you know Diggs may not be working hard like I
think the Cowboys when they think leadership, they want that
you know what you know when you draft Booker right
and you go, man, we have a thousand stories about Booker,
(39:56):
how he whooped the bank robber and walked the old
lady across the street, and or these other players that
didn't have anywhere to.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Stay for things if they stayed over at his house.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
That that's not necessarily raw rod guy, but that might
still be the way you move this public image, this
cowboy brand leadership that they might be looking for. And
Diggs is basically like, hey man, you know I'm not
roll model to none, but I can go out there
and play and you can see how I play, or
I may go out there and practice you can see
how I work. Out of practice. That's where my leadership stops.
So that's a good They may just be on different
(40:25):
pages of what they mean by leadership. And I don't
think Diggs wants to be the loud what Tank Lawrence
used to be, the type guy, and that's okay, I'm
gonna get in front of the media and say, Hey,
we're gonna do X y Z to the Saints. I
think Diggs is just gonna keep whispering to the media
and he's gonna have his friends out there, and I
think that's just what it's gonna be.
Speaker 10 (40:43):
You know, real quick. I know we're gonna up against
it that I'm gonna say this. I kind of feel
like that the Micah Parsons thing would have been done
to I think the leadership questions about him if this,
if it was two years ago, if Michaeh Parsons would
have shown, like two years ago that I'm this leader,
I'm the buying guy. I'm on you now. All of
a sudden, it's it's like, well, it's my turn to
be the leader now. You know, Michael Parsons could have
been the leader two years ago. He very well could
(41:05):
have been that. And I think that's kind of where,
you know, when Jerry starts to talk about leadership when
it comes to Parsons and Digs, I think it's about
exactly what you're saying. It's about being around every single day.
And that's the thing I think that kind of got
Michael Parsons and maybe in a little bit of a
bind right now our contract.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
I will say that if that is true then and
tell I tell people this all the time. Me and
my wife have this conversation, I talk to my kids
about it. I think you always have to allow people
room to grow.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I told you.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
So, let's assume that that's accurate. Now, let's assume that
two years ago he wasn't representing the level of leadership
that they wanted. If that's true, then I think in
the same way I think the Jones is and everybody
else has to give him that room to be able
to grow into that and for him to see, you
know what, that's what it takes. Okay, bet I can
do that and let him then grow into that and
be that right and not judging by what he was
(41:54):
two years ago, judging by what he's doing right now,
because I will say this this offseason, I've seen a
level of commitment and leadership from him, and sometimes you
don't see from guys when they're in contact disputes. He's here,
he's available. He may not be out there practicing, but
he's been around and I think that's I think that's
well see.
Speaker 10 (42:08):
But in their eyes though, it's kind of like, though
we needed you to be a leader the whole time.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
That's don't. Don't.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
Don't all of a sudden a contract years start saying
all the right things and doing all the right things.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
You know.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
That's Sam Williams is learning that right now. There's some
players at the crossroads of getting a contract extensions and
everything you hear about Sam Williams is boy's great. He's
doing this, He's doing this shot, he step thre at
the podium, Tony. He hadn't missed a day. Yeah, you know,
and maybe a time ago there wasn't a Sam Williams
being there every day and being committed.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Those contracts. New contracts will do some strange things to you.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
But he's never get land and guys like Big Tyler
won't have a problem getting deals because they've been this
way for four or five years.
Speaker 10 (42:46):
Jerry Steven Will McClay coaching staff will look at this
as like, I don't have to worry about these guys
showing up and being here every single day and being
a camel And I hate to say that that way,
but that's how the old school front offices think, you know,
And maybe maybe s Brian Schottenheimer will help the Joneses
understand it. Hey, we've got to let these guys have
some of the mottitude, let them grow. And right now
(43:09):
it's like, man, you know, Stephen Jones will say that
Dak Prescott's there every single day, that.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
Every single day, that has been the mature guy since
the moment he walked in.
Speaker 10 (43:20):
The Joneses love the guy that's at the facility every
single well.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
Also, I think, and this is just my interpretation of
the whole situation because we're not present in those conversations,
but I think that there's a disconnect and it comes
from communication. You might not be a vocal leader like
out there on the field, but if you are behind
doors going to your coach, going to whoever's in charge,
(43:46):
or the communicator communicate say hey, just like you said, Derek,
I'm going to do this and that, and I think
that is most often than not well received. And you
would approve of you doing that. And there is a
work there because I don't think I wouldn't expect Jerry
Jones or anybody on that side, on the football side,
(44:07):
to be asking anyone to change their personality. It's be
who you are, but also be present in a way
or and by being present, it includes just communicating and
having that open communication. And also remind me this is
a team sport. It's not just a you solo thing. Hey,
I'm gonna go out there and do my thing. No,
(44:28):
it's a team effort and you have to be able
to be accountable, be there and build those relationships with
the rest of the guys.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
All right, we appreciate you, guys. J hoonness. We will
be back tomorrow for another I'm sorry, We'll be back
on Monday for another episode. Makes you tune in till
then right back. You will not oh yeah, I won't
be here, but Amber will be here. She'll be hosting,
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.