April 16, 2025 • 44 mins
Bryan Broaddus, Derek Eagleton, Ambar Garcia and Nick Harris discuss the state of the running back position for the Dallas Cowboys, and if a premium pick on the offensive line would help the position.
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We're going to continue our position series today. I'll talk
a little bit about the running back position and if
we get time, and then if we have enough time,
we'll also get to the linebacker position.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
But before we get to those things, there were a
couple of little news and notes that I wanted to
hit with the crew. I think the first thing I
wanted to talk about is not the Cowboys, but another
player on another team who has been the team has
said they are going to let him and they will
be looking for a deal to possibly trade him. One
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Jalen rams cornerback of the Miami Dolphins. My question for
you guys is, and I'll read first Chris Cryer, who
is the GM of the Miami Dolphins. This was this
quote in a press conference. At the end of the day,
Jalen did not ask for a trade. We went through
the process and I just felt after numerous conversations and
talking last week to week with Jalen and his agent,
that it was best to move forward. It was in
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the best interest to Miami Dolphins and Jalen Ramsey. It
is clear that they are looking to trade him. What
I've read according to one Mo Moten on bleacher Report,
he said it could cost the team that would acquire
him as much as twenty one point one million in
twenty twenty five, and in his words, the final three
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years is set up to be a pay as you go,
So essentially, what I think he's getting at is you
could maneuver in the last three years to kind of
either keep him or not keep him, or pay him
or or a justice contents. There are some flexibility in
the final three years. That all being said, would you
be willing to go out and trade for Jalen Ramsey
and what would you be willing to give up for?
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
I'm sitting here pulling up his contract and what that
would look like from a financial perspective. So you mentioned
the twenty one point one correct that.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Would be impossible this year.
Speaker 9 (02:46):
I've Cowboys currently have right around thirty seven million dollars
in cap space, So you know, let's let's say that
they do make this type of addition, they would be
kind of limited to making cheap editions the rest of
the way at different spots and depth units on.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Both sides of the ball. Is that a bad thing?
Speaker 9 (03:02):
Not necessarily, I mean it's I can't imagine that they're
going to be paying more than a couple million to
a player anyway over the course of the next year,
so as it counts towards this cap. But it is
something that you have to manage because cap space is
also determined by practice squad elevations. It's determined by guys
you have to sign here in the season if injuries
come about. I mean, you have to be able to
plan for those types of things. It would just make
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the financials a little bit tighter. But you talk about
the talent for Jalen Ramsey, what he could bring to
the field. Granted he's not what he was when he
first started his career, but I still think he plays
at a Pro Bowl level. This is a really talented
corner that has made plays for Miami. He'd be thirty
going into next season, so he would still have some
time left on his deal and both as well as
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his age. But what I'd be willing to give up
considering the financials, considering everything around it, probably one of
those compensatory fifths that would be probably the max of
what I would be willing to give up for that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
You're in a situation right now where we've had some
corners that got extended here recently, and Jalen Ramsey has
always seen himself as one of those guys, and so
what you're gonna have to deal with. I would not
make this deal unless I had assurance that Jalen Ramsey
was not going to hold out on me and ask
for more money this year or just in general. And
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if you look at what he did when he left
the Rams to go to the Dolphins, what do he do?
He signed an extension. He is one of these guys
that is very He's got a lot of pride. He
wants to be one of the top paid corners in
the league, and he consistently has been that guy. But
we've seen some contracts that have become pretty significant. You
look at with Stingley down there with the Texans, you
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look at with Cirtan in Denver. There's been some contracts
that have gone up remarkably. And so to me, I'm
not gonna make this deal if that's the case. I'm
just not I'm just saying.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
If he is actively asking to be to renegotiate, negotiate
the contract and be up there at the top.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
If he immediately wants to be paid one of the
top three corners in this league, I'm not interested in
this trade. But if he's going to come in and
play under the current contract, and as you mentioned, Derek
pay as we go kind of thing, I'd be interested.
And I think Nick has got the compensation right. I
know I've reached out to several might call my gang
of seven around the league that and they have they
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kind of feel like that, Well, hey, you know you don't.
It's not as steep as you might think. I think
the fifth round compensation is very fair there, and so
to me, I'm I'm only interested if I get assurance
from him and his agent that he's not going to
come in here and say I demand that I become
one of the top three paid corners like he's been
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in the past. And if we can agree on that,
then I'm going to continue to explore. If not, I'm
probably going to play with him somewhere else or play
against him somewhere else.
Speaker 10 (05:55):
Yeah, Tylan, wise, I would absolutely love to have him here.
His the guy that we've looked at since he was drafted,
you know, when we were talking about the draft of
his career. He's the guy that the Cowboys are we
in podcasts, in the media, we're talking and looking at
a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Obviously didn't end up.
Speaker 10 (06:14):
Here with the team, but I think talent wise, yes,
but right now it just doesn't really make a whole
lot of sense. I think financially, yes, they could potentially
do it, but I think it does put you in
a tight spot, just like Nick mentioned, and when it
comes to what that also would bring, just like Brian said,
I don't think the Cowboys are in a position where
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they're willing to deal with something like that. They already
have things that they're still trying to figure out. We
have Micah Parson's deal coming up, and you mentioned the
contract extension that they just did with Trevon Diggs. Also,
that's something that Bland is coming up as well. So
I think it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
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financially in that sense. But and also the time that
this is happening, I think, and I truly believe right now,
the Cowboys are one hundred percent focused on the draft.
We're eight days away from the start of the draft,
and this is a time where they just center in
and they're just let's developed, let's bringing talent, new talent developed, developed.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
So yeah, I would like.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It, but I don't see it happening.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Yeah that, Brian, eight days, eight days?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
How much does the deron Bland into that?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
A lot? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:32):
A lot?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You know, they they they feel like they feel like
that they have a young talent with Bland, and you know,
is it going to cost them. You know, maybe it
will cost them the money that that Ramsey's currently making,
maybe you know more. I mean, you know, Bland is
Bland did a great job of coming back from the injury,
had a little bit of a slow start, but you know,
picked up things. They think the world to him. But
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they're their corner situation. And Nick will tell you this
as well. They're looking at corners in this draft. I
mean they're and there's several of them, and you know,
they've got they've got a couple of these guys that
they could look at, whether it's it's at twelve, or
they could look at a guy at forty four, you know,
or they could look at a guy there in the
third round. So there are plenty of corners. You know
that they have the talent of Jalen Ramsey. Some of
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them do, absolutely some of them do, and some of
them will be a lot less expensive. But I think
the Bland thing, I think that plays in their mind
a little bit here when they're when they're talking about
this too. Jalen Ramsey as an addition would be outstanding,
but they have to think about other other things as
far as players they currently have and maybe players they
want to extend.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Jalen Ramsey's making twenty four point one million per year
right now, that's the third highest clip in the NFL.
Trayvon Diggs is at the ninth highest clip in the NFL.
So if you were to add Jalen Ramsey to these books,
you'd basically be telling de Ron Bland, hey, you got
one year, here, go shine and get you a big
contractbel I'll make go around.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
And I know, no, he he's the ideal player.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I mean you look at Darron Blank.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
I just cannot imagine where a situation where you don't
give him the contract that he deserves. He has been
such a good player for you. He's so problematic, he
doesn't causes an issue. He's so not a flashy player,
doesn't have that extravagant personality. He just comes in, does
what he does, does what he needs to do, focuses
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on what he needs to achieve. He came back from
that injury. I thought he did a great job. Obviously
it takes him a little while, but I thought he
did an excellent job. And he's so dedicated to the game,
and we've seen the impact that he brings when he's
playing on the field.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
So it's just a hard situation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There can ask a real quick question, and Nick Ill
asked this of you. Would you consider playing him at
safety like Charles Woodson did late in his career.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Talking about Ramsey or Ramsey Ramsey.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean play him is a free I mean
the guy has got toughness, he's got range. Yeah, I
mean he's going to get in on tackles.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You could.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You know, he plays with his eyes eyes, he gambles
a little bit. I mean, he's The question was when
he was coming out, if we all remember, we were
all talking about and really Rod Marinelli, the administration didn't
really know is he a safety or is he a corner?
And you know, Rod and that group signed off on
Zeke because they felt like that Zeke would help him,
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you know, in the game with yards and stuff and
keep the defense off the field. So you know, but
they had questions like we playing at corner? Do we
play at safety? Well, he's become an All Pro safety,
was gonna be a corner. But would you consider it
late in the career shift like we saw with the Charles.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Woodson, Yeah, that would I think it could certainly work.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
You talk about his range, you mentioned that he's played
majority of ly in zone schemes in the past, and
he's been a ballhawk. I think he could be able
to track really well. He's got good tackling too. I
wouldn't have any issues with that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But the money, right, I was to say that money,
we have great ideas until they say we'll pay.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
The bills, still be counting on the books.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Yeah, I think there was an assumption that you just
made that if they were to do this, that would
mean that they'd be telling Bland you only have one
more year. Are we sure that Bland would be the
person that they might opt to let go versus maybe
moving on at some point from Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Well, yeah, and that's certainly part of it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think fastball Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, but know and Igat, I think here's the thing.
Here's the thing when you think about roster management.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh no, you're you're not rong half three.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I wouldn't think you're not. Three cornerbacks are high they paid.
So if you're going to.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Go the route of going out and getting a Jayler Malliams,
which quite frankly, I just don't think the Cowboys are
going to do. I think they're happy with the two
they have. But if they were going to do it,
I think they would have to have a conversation of
who are the two we want long term? That would
and that's where you have to make this and I
don't so I don't think it's necessarily a foegun conclusion
if they go that route, that Bland is the one
that they say goodbye to.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Yeah, let's uh, let's say that they give Deron Bland
a twenty three million dollars per year to deal. Maybe
that's a little high, but let's just let's just say
that considering how the market could change over the course.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
In between I'm sorry, in between somebody, did you have
somebody mind? Do you have something?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Not?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Really?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
I have him right above Jay R Alexander, right above
aj Trell. I just think that's probably the money you
could earn next offseason. You know, talk about Derek Stingley
getting thirty j C hornetting twenty five. Yeah, if you're
paying him twenty three per year over the course of
let's say four years, the dead money slash cap savings
that you would have by letting go of Trayvon Digs
next off season with a post June one cut you'd
have to be squeezing some pennies in twenty twenty six,
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but it would almost be a direct compensation going from
twenty seven to twenty eight. The savings you would have
in twenty seven for letting go of Trayvon digs twenty
and a half million, twenty twenty eight, twenty one million.
So then you would be trying to come up with
two or three million to to, you know, make it
even for Adron Bland situation going forward. But I yeah,
that's that's where things get a little bit tough. But
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all three of these guys would still be counting towards
the books in twenty five. Granted Bland still on his
rookie deal. But I truly believe that they have to
figure out how to Paydron Bland before anything. And that includes, Hey,
if Jalen Ramsey makes this too tight or we're gonna
have to do some gymnastic to make it happen, then
I wouldn't make it happen. I think Deron Blands that
important towards the future of this defense.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Here's the other thing I would wonder, and I don't
know if this is possible, but is there a way
to basically rent Jalen Ramsey, so you can take on
the salary for this year and then after this year
move on. I would love that because it gives me
an opportunity to be able to protect myself in the
event Trayvon Diggs's injury lasts deeper into the season. And
if it doesn't and Trayvon's ready to play, great. I
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got three corners, and by the way, you need three,
you got three corners.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You can roll up there. You just slide blam right
in there into the slot.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
And I love those three cornerbacks together at least for
a year. And then going into next year, you move
on from Ramsey. You let him go out and get
his big deal from someone else. So, Brian, when you
said I.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Will cope full of creativity today.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
When Brian was like, I wouldn't do it if he
was gonna want the bigger contract, I agree with you,
But I would only do it if he was gonna
hold out next year. If he agreed to come and
play this year at this amount of money, and then
after that, if you want to go out and search
the market and try to get a better deal, we'll
let you do it.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'm actually I have to get that assurance though, that
when excuse me, when I trade for you, that you're
not going to immediately watch this year and say this year,
wait a minute, I need I need closer to the
thirty million dollars is the top salary. I need closer.
I need twenty seven, you know. And I'm like, wait
a minute, No, you're this and this is what we
see if you're if you immediately want to come in here,
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and I just a gut feeling I think he would.
I think he would come in here and he would
want to be paid like one of the top corners.
This guy's a very prideful guy. He always has believed
that he is one of the top corners in this league.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And he is and he is he is he is.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But at a certain level, you know, you have to
think about, okay, what's best because you, like we said,
you've already got a young guy on the on the
roster that you want to get done. And I applaud
you for bringing up digs. That was one of those
times where I'm like, going, okay, we're going to talk
about digs here, you know, And we did, and I
think that's something that that needs to be discussed when
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you talk about team building and going forward.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah, I think at the end of the day, if
it were all like, if it all could work out
perfectly for the Cowboys, they could have Jalen Ramsey here
for a year and protect themselves with regards to the
injury to Digs, and then moving forward, your two cornerbacks
are Digs and Bland. I think they're younger. I think
they're both on the com I think they're all they're growing,
and I think they're growing together. And I think if
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I could just get to a point where I could
see both of them on the field for seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, hell give me fifteen games. If I could see
both of them on the field together, you know, Like,
I think that could be really great for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
If Carson would have played better, we wouldn't have this discussion.
Fair probably wouldn't be having this discussion if Carson was
a guy that like when Bland was rookie and then
played and we're all of a sudden, we're like going, Wow,
this guy's really getting it. This guy's a good player,
and then you know, but Carson didn't do that, So
now we have to have discussions about corners at twelve,
corners at forty four. You know, we have to have
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these discussions, because you're absolutely right they don't right now.
They're pretty spot with corner, they really really are, so
to me, yeah, a lot of question mark, a lot
of question marks there. And you know they probably feel
better about other positions than they do corner. And that's
why at twelve I wouldn't I wouldn't say that corner's
out out not in the picture there.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
And I will say this to Bryant from that standpoint,
if the Dallas Cowboys go out and invest the first
round pick in cornerback, I still think the same conversation
comes up because about about Diggs or Bland, like you're
gonna do you if you are? Yeah, are really going
to great around because if you got a first round pick,
your expectation you want him on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Put him on the field all the time, right, I agree?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
And then that questions like who is the other starter
and who's the person that's left out. It may not
be a problem early on if Diggs is nursing the
injury and coming back from injury, but when he's one
hundred percent healthy, how does that all play out, and
I think that becomes really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You know, you can never have too many corners, don't
get me wrong, but you certainly want that first round
pick out there.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
He hasn't. The problem with Diggs is he hasn't really
been healthy the last couple of years. I mean, that's
that's the real issue here right now. So to me,
you know, you have to you have to consider all things.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
All right, we are going to take our first break.
When we come back, we'll dive into our position analysis.
We'll go into the running back position. Man, there's so
many questions, but also a lot of new pieces. We'll
talk about how those pieces fit when we come back.
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All right, so let's talk running back position. This year,
the Cowboys acquired Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders, allow ric
o'dowdell to leave in pre agency. My question for you
guys is, as you look at those two guys, particularly,
which do you think is better if the Cowboys had
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to start the season right now and they had what
they had in order to start the season, who do
you think is the starting running back? And then talk
to me about roles and what kind of roles each
one could play.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Talking about Williams and Sanders.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Williams because I assume those are who you would have
as at the top of the deaf it's Davis.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
I'm Davis here.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm gonna guess, Joe, I know who it is.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I about to say, it's going to be that Malik
Davis is about to get a start in week one.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Yeah, it's start a Hunter Lipkey runing in early. Would
I would start him with Javonte Williams on third. Yeah,
But looking at it from a realistic standpoint in a
modern day offense, Javonte Williams he probably exactly exactly or
Peyton hillis he makes the most sense Javonte Williams as
as the starter with this group right now. But uh,
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it's it's no doubt that this is going to be
these guys are going to be competing with a rookie.
But in the spirit of the conversation right now, Javonte
Williams just based on what he did in Denver and
the role that he played there. Uh, and you also
pair that with what Miles Sanders did or did not
do in Carolina. I mean you saw the they basically
they brought in Jonathan Brooks to play over him. And
obviously Brooks hasn't been healthy. But when you start seeing
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high premium draft picks around veterans, that's that doesn't speak
a lot of confidence into those veterans. So Javonte Williams
I think would be the starter today and you would
have Miles Sanders kind of rotate in as Javonte needed
to come off the field. I'd be giving him the
majority of the carries. If this was the group that
I needed right now.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, this is where I have a little problem right now.
I feel like with the coaching staff at the position,
with your coordinator, you got a guy that knows how
to run the football. You got a line coach that
is very familiar with the physical style of running the
football from Kansas State as well. So that's an upgrade
right there for you to kind of get things going
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the right way. But you let Rico daddle walk, and
to me that that's not good because where I would
have and Nick maybe can help me here on this one.
You have Rico daddele here, you can have some flexibility
to picking a fifth round running back and pair him
with rico' daddle and you would be fine. Now you
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forced yourself, I believe, to have to take a running
back within the first three picks, because you really don't.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
The thing with Williams is he catches the ball very well,
and he blocks very well, and he's coming. You know,
Sean Payton knows how to use running backs and he
just didn't have you know, but Sewan's going to look
for running back. Watch at twenty at Denver, they're going
to get a running back because Sean knows he needs one.
But they moved on. And and you know, nothing against
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Smiles Sanders either, but I think his time is done too.
If you had Rico daddle and this is I'm sorry,
I'm just gonna bring it up. If you had rico' daddle,
you could make you could pick one of a running
back in the fifth round and pair it with him
and you'd be just fine.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So you'd think you'd think ric o'daddle is better at
this point.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, Williams, Yes, I do it. Yeah, I do and
if you had to start it, and we've seen it
with their own eyes, you know, once they once they
started handing him the ball and they made the change
at right guard, they were healthier there at right guard.
Steele started playing better, BB was getting better at second
level blocks. The right guard situation was that they did
some combination stuff, got some things going there. But rico'
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daddell here, he if if he was here, you could
wait to the fifth round and grab a running back.
But now I think you have to have to grab
one of these running backs in the first three rounds.
I don't think you can wait to the fifth round
and say, Okay, let's get a fifth round back and
let's pair him with Williams and Sanderson, see how it goes.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Let me ask you this because I was I was
actually having this conversation with Isaiah stand back yesterday and
we were talking about the running back position. I think
we all, everybody at this table, and a lot of
people I have talked to in the media all agree
that the Cowboys got made themselves better by the coaches
a Brant. I think you look at the Arizona Cardinals
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and what they've been able to do the last couple
of years in the running game, and I look at
that and I'm like, they didn't have an all pro
caliber running back. In my opinion, James Connor was hurt
for part of the tign But James Connor to me
as a solid running back, I don't put him as
one of the best running backs in the league. They
were able to create and manufacture a top one of
the top one of the better running games in the
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NFL with solid running backs, solid offensive line. But the
scheme had a lot to do with It reminds me
a lot of and you'll appreciate this Brian, those old
school Brian Broncos with Mike Shanahan where they ran in
Reuben Drones whoever they ran in every year, that guy
was gonna put up a bunch of yards on the
ground because the scheme was just so good and they
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had they had the ability to be able to put
the offensive line in the right positions to make the blocks,
and the all they need is a back that could
hit the hole where it needed to hit it and
go downhill. And so my question is, from that standpoint,
do you really need to get a running back early
in order to get some or do you need to
just get someone that has the right traits or that
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runs the ball the right way for this scheme and
they can be just as effective here as you know
a top running back would be in another system.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Yeah, and I think that's a fascinating question when you
look at this draft class, right because you you could
theoretically wait until day three and.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
You'd be taking some chances. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
Yeah, but you could find a guy with the right
trades to pair with Javonte Williams that I think could
work for this offense. You just see a guy that
can get you yards on early downs. That's it's really
as simple as that. You would love to have a
guy that has a little bit more and could be
very and can be that guy whenever you move on
from Javonte Williams. But if you're talking about twenty twenty
five specifically the immediate urgent need, you just need a
guy that can get you yards on early downs that
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when the game starts, when that first drive comes out,
you can rely on him to get five six yards
and start drives with some momentum. I just feel like
they haven't had that at times. And Rico Daudle Yes,
he played well down the stretch last year, but it
felt like every time he was given the ball to
start a drive when everyone in the building knows that
they're handing it off, he couldn't get those four or
five yards. I need a guy when everybody in the
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stadium knows, hey, they're gonna haven the ball off right here,
that he can go get four or five. And I
think you can get that guy in the third round.
I think you can get that guy in the fifth.
You'd be taking some chances, like I said, but I
don't think it's necessarily a need to go get the
number one back in the class if he's not there for.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You, Nick, I'm gonna ask you this question. I don't
mean to turn it into a draft show, but the
thing about it is, do you have fourth round running
backs that you think are going to fall to the fifth?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I look at a Kyle mcnung gai out of Rutgers.
That's a guy who could play on early downs, zero
fumbles and six hundred sixty nine carries too.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Look that Ollie Gordon.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
I wonder how many people factor in his off the
field things and if he slips to the fifth talked
about my guy Land Larson at UC Davis. I think
he could probably be there in the fifth.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Those are st quick on Oli Gordon. Yeah, you said
all the field stuff. Is it more mental stuff or
is it like trouble you don't have to get.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
To DJ Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a DUI in
twenty four. That was that was a public knowledge. The
leg he had a legac thank you. He had a
leg injury mid season last year. And granted he was
a Doke Walker Award winner in twenty twenty three for
the nation's top running back in college.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
I mean there was a point when.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
He had got there that guy was gonna be the
next coming from standpoint of guys coming into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
If he came into the draft class last year, he
would have been the number one back. Take and no
questions asked. But this guy this year, this past year,
really bad offensive line in Oklahoma State. He couldn't really
maneuver around it, didn't show a lot of contact balance
even though he's six foot two two twenty five. So
I wonder how many how much teams will value this
twenty four season compared to the twenty three year. But
you could get a guy if he channels what he
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had in twenty three. Shoot, you're gonna have a pretty
good product on your hands. So Jarquois Hunter is another
guy that I have a fourth round grade on that
maybe could slip to the fifth.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
It's just it just based on so you're really you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Are gambling a little bit there though right on undred percent.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean you know it goes yeah, but if
you wait till anything, That's.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
What I'm saying. I'm just worried though, that we're gonna
sit there in the fourth round and we're do in
the draft show and we're covering it, and then we'll
talk about all of a sudden in day three, those
backs just start, and I think there's gonna be a
run on backs and potentially in the third round as well.
So we can see the run and then we'll maybe
see another run. And I wonder if if there's some guys,
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if you if you told me with certainty and you
do a great job with the draft, Nick, if you
told me, hey, there's gonna be some fourth round guys
that are gonna be there in the fifth, then I
then I then I'll I'll go with you. But I'm
trying to I've kind of broke this thing down just
for simplicity, is the very good and the good. You
know what I'm saying, if you give me a chance
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to draft DF very good, I'm going to draft very
good because I know good is good is good, but
very good might be the difference. You know, some of
these lines you talk about, you know, with the with
the Cardinals, their quarterback was a part of some of
the stuff, I mean, the threat of him running, and
you don't have that here. So people will be able
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to say, Okay, can the offensive line in its current
configuration be good enough to be like with Arizona?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Possibly? Can the tiight ends block? Sure? You know that's
all possibly to the coaching, because we know the coaching
and stuff will be better. But the thing, like I said,
if you gave me an opportunity to draft very good
as opposed to good, I think that makes a difference.
I think backs do make a difference. That's why to me,
Ashton Genty when people are talking about why would you
take Ashton Genty? Because Ashton Genty makes your offensive line better.
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His ability to make people miss make your offensive line better.
That's why if you have a guy that has that
kind of ability you know Harvey from Central floor. You
get a guy a draft like that, and all of
a sudden, he's making people miss your offensive lines better
because they don't always have to hold their blocks for
an extra count. They got backs that can make people
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miss and get yards. Give me that. That's what I
wanted to back.
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We had a little prophete talk this girl Amberger seeing terrible.
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Why I always gave blame for things because we're bringing it,
we're not. But you said something. Nick looked at me,
We locked eyes and I just laughed. Okay, So that
was that, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Before we went to break Amber had a point she
wanted to make.
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That was your point?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Now, she mo, right, what did you make your point?
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Hey, Hey, I'm gonna take my time.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
All right? Yeah, we got what good a minutes?
Speaker 9 (33:50):
So for it?
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Good good, good, because I'm gonna try to verbalize what
was going through my head so as you.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Insight.
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Speaker 10 (34:01):
Okay, while you guys were talking, I just kept going
back and forth on Okay, how big of a necessity
is it really for the cowboys to go get a
very dynamic running back, and I'm going back and forth
in what I've seen in history with the Dallas Cowboys,
and I'm thinking, okay.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
And I started running around when Zeke was drafted.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
At the time I did. I wasn't like crazy. I
know some people were choosing Zeke and they were looking
at him.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
At the time. I was more focused on the defense
and a corner.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
So then Zeke comes in and then you see the
fact that he had and the explosiveness and how everything.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Was just crazy and magical.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
But you have to take into account how the offensive
line looked at the time, how great that line was.
And then I started going back, Okay, how did those
other guys that weren't like Zeke caliber look like with
such a good offensive line? And I went back to
think about Alfred Morris, you had Rod Smith, and I remember,
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I don't have a clear memory, but I remember at
the time they were very efficient, not to the Zeke level,
but they were still productive and taking care of business.
Even when Darren McFadden he went in, when Romo went
in for that last series of his career here with
the Cowboys and in the NFL, and he was very effective.
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They went down, they drove that thing down so easy,
got into the end zone. So again that leads me
back to thinking, Okay, necessity and priority number one solidifying
the offensive line, making sure we all know that's where
it all starts, and focus and number one problem here
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is making sure you have that you won't give the
protection to Dak, but also it just makes the running
backs job easier. Now, with that being said, I feel
like you solidify that and you can still be productive
with the guys. Back to your original question, Derek, you
can still I feel like, be productive with the guys
you currently have. But back to Brian's point, how much
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of that next level are you willing to take it?
And how much are you willing to invest that? And
we saw even last year when you don't have a
running game, and the running game took a while to
get going with.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh my god, well they took a while to get
him going.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Yes, with the scheme and everything, but taken into account
everything that you guys said, the new coaching staff and
everything that they're trying to change up here, and really
they've been very vocal about putting an effort and being
intentional with the running game. So I think that's going
to be a main focus point for this offense and
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a big priority there. So I think taking all of
that into account, it just I just keep going back
and forth of Okay, what's the right at.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
What point plan of attack?
Speaker 10 (37:07):
Yeah, but for the draft specifically, at what point do
you really want to invest into.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
A running back?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
And I mean I hate hearing what Nick says because
then I feel like, Okay, you're making me think we
can wait till day three.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
But then that does make me nervous.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
It makes everyone nervous.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
But it's good to know that there is depth options,
so many options out there. But I think again, priority
number one offensive line.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Yeah, the way I look at that, and I agree
with a lot of what you say there, Abro. I
will say this though, if let's say, for example, in
the first round, Dallas gets wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Let's say they get Teed or Golden, either one.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Let's say they pick up in the second or third round,
they pick up an offensive lineman in a cornerback. All right,
if they come away from days one and two with
those things, I feel a lot better about the idea
of getting even though you're taking a gamble getting a
running back.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Let's say in the fifth round.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
The reason why is because I think at that point
you will have an offense that has hopefully, hopefully or
at least what you hope, what you're thinking, your offensive
line will be somewhat solidified. You feel good about where
you're going with your offensive line. You have the new
offensive coaches who are going to focus on that offensive
of that run game. You have now a second wide receiver,
which they've been really needing here for quite a while,
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and you've sewn up what you what you needed to
take care of a cornerback. Those, in my opinion, are
your three biggest areas of need. And I think running
back you can manage those other positions. I don't know
that you can manage those positions if you don't come
away from the draft with people that can come in
and immediately contribute. I think running back you it won't
be optimal. I get your point, Bright, it won't be optimal,
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But I think you can manage with those other things
you've done. I think you can manage to have your
running back be take a little more chance on your
running back than you can on those other positions.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
It's if I could sounds like you want to pick
offensive line at twelve.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Mbar im Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's all about value though. My question for you guys,
y'all study the players.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Is there somebody projected to be there at twelve that's
worth that pick and is better, by the way, better
than the receivers that everybody's talking about, because quite frankly,
I look at that and I say, if I can
get that caliber receiver at twelve, unless you're gonna tell
me this offensive lineman to somebody that immediately walks in,
he is a Zach Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He's walking in.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
He's going to be your starter at guard or tackle
for the next I don't know, eight to ten years.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They're great. Let's let's let's have that conversation.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Has been great when drafting offensive lineman in that first round.
So I know that they know how to evaluate evaluate
these players when it comes to the line on offense.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And I think that.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Again, I know Nick has said before that he thinks
is gonna get back into being more mobile.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Potentially, that's just his intention. That's just his intention.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Okay, ye, his.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
Intention is to be back more to be mobile. Again,
I don't know how much I believe in that until
I see it. So I think there is even not
just the running game, but also Dak's game in general.
I think there is just a bigger necessity in making
sure you have someone that's very, very solid. Now, I
don't do the draft show like you guys do, so
you know better where that level of talent fits best.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Depending on the rounds, I.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Only have Teed McMillan is the only receiver that I
have above the first line or first round offensive lineman,
and those first round offensive linemen armand Membu out of Missouri,
will camp Out Lsu Kevin Banks out of Texas. So
those three guys, I.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Mean you would you stretch and do either one of
them pick out of one of them? At twelve?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
It worth different Millin is there no no, But based
on my if I'm sticking to my board, I would
be going with an offensive lineman because Membo I think
he would have some right guard flexibility.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Will Campbell.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
It would be Will Campbell and Ketwen Banks. They played
on the left side, but you would have to kind
of maneuver them and make them a little bit more
comfortable on the right side at guard. But I don't know,
it's you would definitely have to move some things around
and it would be a little difficult. You just drafted
a left tackle in the first round last year, so
are you giving up on that if you draft a
first round offensive lineman and it's just there'd be a
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lot of questions you'd have to ask about it. But
I mean they have put in resources with thirty visits
and formal meetings of the combine in evaluating these first
round offensive linemen armand Membu is one of those guys,
so you have to factor that in as well.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yeah, it's if it's I have Josh Simmons from Ohio
State is one of my best offensive linemen and and
he is the only guy that I have above McMillan
on my stack. So to me, that's where Campbell's right
there for me. Membu's right there for me as well.
I have Banks a little bit later, you know, twenty
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one on my stack. So I'm kind of I would
be committed to the first three names of Simmons, Campbell
or Mimbo, you know, over McMillan. I I'll tell you what.
The thing with Golden, The thing with Golden at wide
receiver just makes so much sense for me right now.
It really really does. But you know, but if if
you told me that, hey, one of those, don't I
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said this, I don't think you can wipe me out
at twelve, right, Well don't. And somebody tried to wipe
me out the other day by taking the backs and
taking the wide receivers out of it in a mock draft.
And then I just picked Memboo and I just and
I moved on, and I'm like, you know, you can't.
You cannot wipe this team out at twelve. I don't
believe so to me. And to Amber's point, that to
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me would be the one he said if you said
a kind of a surprise position to take, I think
offensive line tight end would be the most surprising to
me in the first but then offensive tackle would probably
be the next most surprising group to me. Oor safety, Uh,
I think safety is you know, I don't know if
they would take somebody at twelve. That's That's what I'm saying. Yea, yeah,
(43:05):
at twelve. I but tight end, Yeah, you could throw
safety in there. But I kind of feel like, though
to me, the fact that they visited one, I think
they visited us more of a second round one of
the names that we had. But you can't wipe this
team out with the draft because or with an order
of guys going off the board ahead of them, they
they'll have somebody that they can fall back on, and
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like I say, a guy like Membo, I'd have absolutely
no problem with that one.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
All right, that's a wrap for us. We will be
back next week. Actually next next Wednesday will be on
and on Thursday the draft begins. So next week we'll
talk a little bit more about draft, talk about who
you guys really want to see or expect the Cowboys
to select with that number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Brian, Can I give you a homework assignment for next week? Sure? Question.
I want to ask you guys, could the receiver you
draft potentially at twelve be better than ce d Lamb?
You're trying to get messy, No, I'm not, just could
the receiver you drafted well eventually be better than all Right,
we'll think about we'll.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Talk about that. We'll talk about that when we come back.
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We'll see how that goes.
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couple of little news and notes that I wanted to
hit with the crew. I think the first thing I
wanted to talk about is not the Cowboys, but another
player on another team who has been the team has
said they are going to let him and they will
be looking for a deal to possibly trade him. One
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Jalen rams cornerback of the Miami Dolphins. My question for
you guys is, and I'll read first Chris Cryer, who
is the GM of the Miami Dolphins. This was this
quote in a press conference. At the end of the day,
Jalen did not ask for a trade. We went through
the process and I just felt after numerous conversations and
talking last week to week with Jalen and his agent,
that it was best to move forward. It was in
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the best interest to Miami Dolphins and Jalen Ramsey. It
is clear that they are looking to trade him. What
I've read according to one Mo Moten on bleacher Report,
he said it could cost the team that would acquire
him as much as twenty one point one million in
twenty twenty five, and in his words, the final three
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years is set up to be a pay as you go,
So essentially, what I think he's getting at is you
could maneuver in the last three years to kind of
either keep him or not keep him, or pay him
or or a justice contents. There are some flexibility in
the final three years. That all being said, would you
be willing to go out and trade for Jalen Ramsey
and what would you be willing to give up for?
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
I'm sitting here pulling up his contract and what that
would look like from a financial perspective. So you mentioned
the twenty one point one correct that.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Would be impossible this year.
Speaker 9 (02:46):
I've Cowboys currently have right around thirty seven million dollars
in cap space, So you know, let's let's say that
they do make this type of addition, they would be
kind of limited to making cheap editions the rest of
the way at different spots and depth units on.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Both sides of the ball. Is that a bad thing?
Speaker 9 (03:02):
Not necessarily, I mean it's I can't imagine that they're
going to be paying more than a couple million to
a player anyway over the course of the next year,
so as it counts towards this cap. But it is
something that you have to manage because cap space is
also determined by practice squad elevations. It's determined by guys
you have to sign here in the season if injuries
come about. I mean, you have to be able to
plan for those types of things. It would just make
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the financials a little bit tighter. But you talk about
the talent for Jalen Ramsey, what he could bring to
the field. Granted he's not what he was when he
first started his career, but I still think he plays
at a Pro Bowl level. This is a really talented
corner that has made plays for Miami. He'd be thirty
going into next season, so he would still have some
time left on his deal and both as well as
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his age. But what I'd be willing to give up
considering the financials, considering everything around it, probably one of
those compensatory fifths that would be probably the max of
what I would be willing to give up for that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
You're in a situation right now where we've had some
corners that got extended here recently, and Jalen Ramsey has
always seen himself as one of those guys, and so
what you're gonna have to deal with. I would not
make this deal unless I had assurance that Jalen Ramsey
was not going to hold out on me and ask
for more money this year or just in general. And
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if you look at what he did when he left
the Rams to go to the Dolphins, what do he do?
He signed an extension. He is one of these guys
that is very He's got a lot of pride. He
wants to be one of the top paid corners in
the league, and he consistently has been that guy. But
we've seen some contracts that have become pretty significant. You
look at with Stingley down there with the Texans, you
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look at with Cirtan in Denver. There's been some contracts
that have gone up remarkably. And so to me, I'm
not gonna make this deal if that's the case. I'm
just not I'm just saying.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
If he is actively asking to be to renegotiate, negotiate
the contract and be up there at the top.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
If he immediately wants to be paid one of the
top three corners in this league, I'm not interested in
this trade. But if he's going to come in and
play under the current contract, and as you mentioned, Derek
pay as we go kind of thing, I'd be interested.
And I think Nick has got the compensation right. I
know I've reached out to several might call my gang
of seven around the league that and they have they
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kind of feel like that, Well, hey, you know you don't.
It's not as steep as you might think. I think
the fifth round compensation is very fair there, and so
to me, I'm I'm only interested if I get assurance
from him and his agent that he's not going to
come in here and say I demand that I become
one of the top three paid corners like he's been
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in the past. And if we can agree on that,
then I'm going to continue to explore. If not, I'm
probably going to play with him somewhere else or play
against him somewhere else.
Speaker 10 (05:55):
Yeah, Tylan, wise, I would absolutely love to have him here.
His the guy that we've looked at since he was drafted,
you know, when we were talking about the draft of
his career. He's the guy that the Cowboys are we
in podcasts, in the media, we're talking and looking at
a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Obviously didn't end up.
Speaker 10 (06:14):
Here with the team, but I think talent wise, yes,
but right now it just doesn't really make a whole
lot of sense. I think financially, yes, they could potentially
do it, but I think it does put you in
a tight spot, just like Nick mentioned, and when it
comes to what that also would bring, just like Brian said,
I don't think the Cowboys are in a position where
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they're willing to deal with something like that. They already
have things that they're still trying to figure out. We
have Micah Parson's deal coming up, and you mentioned the
contract extension that they just did with Trevon Diggs. Also,
that's something that Bland is coming up as well. So
I think it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
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financially in that sense. But and also the time that
this is happening, I think, and I truly believe right now,
the Cowboys are one hundred percent focused on the draft.
We're eight days away from the start of the draft,
and this is a time where they just center in
and they're just let's developed, let's bringing talent, new talent developed, developed.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
So yeah, I would like.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It, but I don't see it happening.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Yeah that, Brian, eight days, eight days?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
How much does the deron Bland into that?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
A lot? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:32):
A lot?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You know, they they they feel like they feel like
that they have a young talent with Bland, and you know,
is it going to cost them. You know, maybe it
will cost them the money that that Ramsey's currently making,
maybe you know more. I mean, you know, Bland is
Bland did a great job of coming back from the injury,
had a little bit of a slow start, but you know,
picked up things. They think the world to him. But
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they're their corner situation. And Nick will tell you this
as well. They're looking at corners in this draft. I
mean they're and there's several of them, and you know,
they've got they've got a couple of these guys that
they could look at, whether it's it's at twelve, or
they could look at a guy at forty four, you know,
or they could look at a guy there in the
third round. So there are plenty of corners. You know
that they have the talent of Jalen Ramsey. Some of
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them do, absolutely some of them do, and some of
them will be a lot less expensive. But I think
the Bland thing, I think that plays in their mind
a little bit here when they're when they're talking about
this too. Jalen Ramsey as an addition would be outstanding,
but they have to think about other other things as
far as players they currently have and maybe players they
want to extend.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Jalen Ramsey's making twenty four point one million per year
right now, that's the third highest clip in the NFL.
Trayvon Diggs is at the ninth highest clip in the NFL.
So if you were to add Jalen Ramsey to these books,
you'd basically be telling de Ron Bland, hey, you got
one year, here, go shine and get you a big
contractbel I'll make go around.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
And I know, no, he he's the ideal player.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I mean you look at Darron Blank.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
I just cannot imagine where a situation where you don't
give him the contract that he deserves. He has been
such a good player for you. He's so problematic, he
doesn't causes an issue. He's so not a flashy player,
doesn't have that extravagant personality. He just comes in, does
what he does, does what he needs to do, focuses
(09:22):
on what he needs to achieve. He came back from
that injury. I thought he did a great job. Obviously
it takes him a little while, but I thought he
did an excellent job. And he's so dedicated to the game,
and we've seen the impact that he brings when he's
playing on the field.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
So it's just a hard situation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There can ask a real quick question, and Nick Ill
asked this of you. Would you consider playing him at
safety like Charles Woodson did late in his career.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Talking about Ramsey or Ramsey Ramsey.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean play him is a free I mean
the guy has got toughness, he's got range. Yeah, I
mean he's going to get in on tackles.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You could.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You know, he plays with his eyes eyes, he gambles
a little bit. I mean, he's The question was when
he was coming out, if we all remember, we were
all talking about and really Rod Marinelli, the administration didn't
really know is he a safety or is he a corner?
And you know, Rod and that group signed off on
Zeke because they felt like that Zeke would help him,
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you know, in the game with yards and stuff and
keep the defense off the field. So you know, but
they had questions like we playing at corner? Do we
play at safety? Well, he's become an All Pro safety,
was gonna be a corner. But would you consider it
late in the career shift like we saw with the Charles.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Woodson, Yeah, that would I think it could certainly work.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
You talk about his range, you mentioned that he's played
majority of ly in zone schemes in the past, and
he's been a ballhawk. I think he could be able
to track really well. He's got good tackling too. I
wouldn't have any issues with that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But the money, right, I was to say that money,
we have great ideas until they say we'll pay.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
The bills, still be counting on the books.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Yeah, I think there was an assumption that you just
made that if they were to do this, that would
mean that they'd be telling Bland you only have one
more year. Are we sure that Bland would be the
person that they might opt to let go versus maybe
moving on at some point from Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Well, yeah, and that's certainly part of it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think fastball Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, but know and Igat, I think here's the thing.
Here's the thing when you think about roster management.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh no, you're you're not rong half three.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I wouldn't think you're not. Three cornerbacks are high they paid.
So if you're going to.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Go the route of going out and getting a Jayler Malliams,
which quite frankly, I just don't think the Cowboys are
going to do. I think they're happy with the two
they have. But if they were going to do it,
I think they would have to have a conversation of
who are the two we want long term? That would
and that's where you have to make this and I
don't so I don't think it's necessarily a foegun conclusion
if they go that route, that Bland is the one
that they say goodbye to.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Yeah, let's uh, let's say that they give Deron Bland
a twenty three million dollars per year to deal. Maybe
that's a little high, but let's just let's just say
that considering how the market could change over the course.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
In between I'm sorry, in between somebody, did you have
somebody mind? Do you have something?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Not?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Really?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
I have him right above Jay R Alexander, right above
aj Trell. I just think that's probably the money you
could earn next offseason. You know, talk about Derek Stingley
getting thirty j C hornetting twenty five. Yeah, if you're
paying him twenty three per year over the course of
let's say four years, the dead money slash cap savings
that you would have by letting go of Trayvon Digs
next off season with a post June one cut you'd
have to be squeezing some pennies in twenty twenty six,
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but it would almost be a direct compensation going from
twenty seven to twenty eight. The savings you would have
in twenty seven for letting go of Trayvon digs twenty
and a half million, twenty twenty eight, twenty one million.
So then you would be trying to come up with
two or three million to to, you know, make it
even for Adron Bland situation going forward. But I yeah,
that's that's where things get a little bit tough. But
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all three of these guys would still be counting towards
the books in twenty five. Granted Bland still on his
rookie deal. But I truly believe that they have to
figure out how to Paydron Bland before anything. And that includes, Hey,
if Jalen Ramsey makes this too tight or we're gonna
have to do some gymnastic to make it happen, then
I wouldn't make it happen. I think Deron Blands that
important towards the future of this defense.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Here's the other thing I would wonder, and I don't
know if this is possible, but is there a way
to basically rent Jalen Ramsey, so you can take on
the salary for this year and then after this year
move on. I would love that because it gives me
an opportunity to be able to protect myself in the
event Trayvon Diggs's injury lasts deeper into the season. And
if it doesn't and Trayvon's ready to play, great. I
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got three corners, and by the way, you need three,
you got three corners.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You can roll up there. You just slide blam right
in there into the slot.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
And I love those three cornerbacks together at least for
a year. And then going into next year, you move
on from Ramsey. You let him go out and get
his big deal from someone else. So, Brian, when you
said I.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Will cope full of creativity today.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
When Brian was like, I wouldn't do it if he
was gonna want the bigger contract, I agree with you,
But I would only do it if he was gonna
hold out next year. If he agreed to come and
play this year at this amount of money, and then
after that, if you want to go out and search
the market and try to get a better deal, we'll
let you do it.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'm actually I have to get that assurance though, that
when excuse me, when I trade for you, that you're
not going to immediately watch this year and say this year,
wait a minute, I need I need closer to the
thirty million dollars is the top salary. I need closer.
I need twenty seven, you know. And I'm like, wait
a minute, No, you're this and this is what we
see if you're if you immediately want to come in here,
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and I just a gut feeling I think he would.
I think he would come in here and he would
want to be paid like one of the top corners.
This guy's a very prideful guy. He always has believed
that he is one of the top corners in this league.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And he is and he is he is he is.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But at a certain level, you know, you have to
think about, okay, what's best because you, like we said,
you've already got a young guy on the on the
roster that you want to get done. And I applaud
you for bringing up digs. That was one of those
times where I'm like, going, okay, we're going to talk
about digs here, you know, And we did, and I
think that's something that that needs to be discussed when
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you talk about team building and going forward.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah, I think at the end of the day, if
it were all like, if it all could work out
perfectly for the Cowboys, they could have Jalen Ramsey here
for a year and protect themselves with regards to the
injury to Digs, and then moving forward, your two cornerbacks
are Digs and Bland. I think they're younger. I think
they're both on the com I think they're all they're growing,
and I think they're growing together. And I think if
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I could just get to a point where I could
see both of them on the field for seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, hell give me fifteen games. If I could see
both of them on the field together, you know, Like,
I think that could be really great for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
If Carson would have played better, we wouldn't have this discussion.
Fair probably wouldn't be having this discussion if Carson was
a guy that like when Bland was rookie and then
played and we're all of a sudden, we're like going, Wow,
this guy's really getting it. This guy's a good player,
and then you know, but Carson didn't do that, So
now we have to have discussions about corners at twelve,
corners at forty four. You know, we have to have
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these discussions, because you're absolutely right they don't right now.
They're pretty spot with corner, they really really are, so
to me, yeah, a lot of question mark, a lot
of question marks there. And you know they probably feel
better about other positions than they do corner. And that's
why at twelve I wouldn't I wouldn't say that corner's
out out not in the picture there.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
And I will say this to Bryant from that standpoint,
if the Dallas Cowboys go out and invest the first
round pick in cornerback, I still think the same conversation
comes up because about about Diggs or Bland, like you're
gonna do you if you are? Yeah, are really going
to great around because if you got a first round pick,
your expectation you want him on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Put him on the field all the time, right, I agree?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
And then that questions like who is the other starter
and who's the person that's left out. It may not
be a problem early on if Diggs is nursing the
injury and coming back from injury, but when he's one
hundred percent healthy, how does that all play out, and
I think that becomes really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
You know, you can never have too many corners, don't
get me wrong, but you certainly want that first round
pick out there.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
He hasn't. The problem with Diggs is he hasn't really
been healthy the last couple of years. I mean, that's
that's the real issue here right now. So to me,
you know, you have to you have to consider all things.
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When we come back, we'll dive into our position analysis.
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All right, so let's talk running back position. This year,
the Cowboys acquired Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders, allow ric
o'dowdell to leave in pre agency. My question for you
guys is, as you look at those two guys, particularly,
which do you think is better if the Cowboys had
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to start the season right now and they had what
they had in order to start the season, who do
you think is the starting running back? And then talk
to me about roles and what kind of roles each
one could play.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Talking about Williams and Sanders.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Williams because I assume those are who you would have
as at the top of the deaf it's Davis.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
I'm Davis here.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm gonna guess, Joe, I know who it is.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I about to say, it's going to be that Malik
Davis is about to get a start in week one.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Yeah, it's start a Hunter Lipkey runing in early. Would
I would start him with Javonte Williams on third. Yeah,
But looking at it from a realistic standpoint in a
modern day offense, Javonte Williams he probably exactly exactly or
Peyton hillis he makes the most sense Javonte Williams as
as the starter with this group right now. But uh,
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it's it's no doubt that this is going to be
these guys are going to be competing with a rookie.
But in the spirit of the conversation right now, Javonte
Williams just based on what he did in Denver and
the role that he played there. Uh, and you also
pair that with what Miles Sanders did or did not
do in Carolina. I mean you saw the they basically
they brought in Jonathan Brooks to play over him. And
obviously Brooks hasn't been healthy. But when you start seeing
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high premium draft picks around veterans, that's that doesn't speak
a lot of confidence into those veterans. So Javonte Williams
I think would be the starter today and you would
have Miles Sanders kind of rotate in as Javonte needed
to come off the field. I'd be giving him the
majority of the carries. If this was the group that
I needed right now.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, this is where I have a little problem right now.
I feel like with the coaching staff at the position,
with your coordinator, you got a guy that knows how
to run the football. You got a line coach that
is very familiar with the physical style of running the
football from Kansas State as well. So that's an upgrade
right there for you to kind of get things going
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the right way. But you let Rico daddle walk, and
to me that that's not good because where I would
have and Nick maybe can help me here on this one.
You have Rico daddele here, you can have some flexibility
to picking a fifth round running back and pair him
with rico' daddle and you would be fine. Now you
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forced yourself, I believe, to have to take a running
back within the first three picks, because you really don't.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
The thing with Williams is he catches the ball very well,
and he blocks very well, and he's coming. You know,
Sean Payton knows how to use running backs and he
just didn't have you know, but Sewan's going to look
for running back. Watch at twenty at Denver, they're going
to get a running back because Sean knows he needs one.
But they moved on. And and you know, nothing against
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Smiles Sanders either, but I think his time is done too.
If you had Rico daddle and this is I'm sorry,
I'm just gonna bring it up. If you had rico' daddle,
you could make you could pick one of a running
back in the fifth round and pair it with him
and you'd be just fine.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
So you'd think you'd think ric o'daddle is better at
this point.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, Williams, Yes, I do it. Yeah, I do and
if you had to start it, and we've seen it
with their own eyes, you know, once they once they
started handing him the ball and they made the change
at right guard, they were healthier there at right guard.
Steele started playing better, BB was getting better at second
level blocks. The right guard situation was that they did
some combination stuff, got some things going there. But rico'
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daddell here, he if if he was here, you could
wait to the fifth round and grab a running back.
But now I think you have to have to grab
one of these running backs in the first three rounds.
I don't think you can wait to the fifth round
and say, Okay, let's get a fifth round back and
let's pair him with Williams and Sanderson, see how it goes.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Let me ask you this because I was I was
actually having this conversation with Isaiah stand back yesterday and
we were talking about the running back position. I think
we all, everybody at this table, and a lot of
people I have talked to in the media all agree
that the Cowboys got made themselves better by the coaches
a Brant. I think you look at the Arizona Cardinals
(24:27):
and what they've been able to do the last couple
of years in the running game, and I look at
that and I'm like, they didn't have an all pro
caliber running back. In my opinion, James Connor was hurt
for part of the tign But James Connor to me
as a solid running back, I don't put him as
one of the best running backs in the league. They
were able to create and manufacture a top one of
the top one of the better running games in the
(24:49):
NFL with solid running backs, solid offensive line. But the
scheme had a lot to do with It reminds me
a lot of and you'll appreciate this Brian, those old
school Brian Broncos with Mike Shanahan where they ran in
Reuben Drones whoever they ran in every year, that guy
was gonna put up a bunch of yards on the
ground because the scheme was just so good and they
(25:10):
had they had the ability to be able to put
the offensive line in the right positions to make the blocks,
and the all they need is a back that could
hit the hole where it needed to hit it and
go downhill. And so my question is, from that standpoint,
do you really need to get a running back early
in order to get some or do you need to
just get someone that has the right traits or that
(25:32):
runs the ball the right way for this scheme and
they can be just as effective here as you know
a top running back would be in another system.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Yeah, and I think that's a fascinating question when you
look at this draft class, right because you you could
theoretically wait until day three and.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
You'd be taking some chances. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
Yeah, but you could find a guy with the right
trades to pair with Javonte Williams that I think could
work for this offense. You just see a guy that
can get you yards on early downs. That's it's really
as simple as that. You would love to have a
guy that has a little bit more and could be
very and can be that guy whenever you move on
from Javonte Williams. But if you're talking about twenty twenty
five specifically the immediate urgent need, you just need a
guy that can get you yards on early downs that
(26:09):
when the game starts, when that first drive comes out,
you can rely on him to get five six yards
and start drives with some momentum. I just feel like
they haven't had that at times. And Rico Daudle Yes,
he played well down the stretch last year, but it
felt like every time he was given the ball to
start a drive when everyone in the building knows that
they're handing it off, he couldn't get those four or
five yards. I need a guy when everybody in the
(26:30):
stadium knows, hey, they're gonna haven the ball off right here,
that he can go get four or five. And I
think you can get that guy in the third round.
I think you can get that guy in the fifth.
You'd be taking some chances, like I said, but I
don't think it's necessarily a need to go get the
number one back in the class if he's not there for.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You, Nick, I'm gonna ask you this question. I don't
mean to turn it into a draft show, but the
thing about it is, do you have fourth round running
backs that you think are going to fall to the fifth?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I look at a Kyle mcnung gai out of Rutgers.
That's a guy who could play on early downs, zero
fumbles and six hundred sixty nine carries too.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Look that Ollie Gordon.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
I wonder how many people factor in his off the
field things and if he slips to the fifth talked
about my guy Land Larson at UC Davis. I think
he could probably be there in the fifth.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Those are st quick on Oli Gordon. Yeah, you said
all the field stuff. Is it more mental stuff or
is it like trouble you don't have to get.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
To DJ Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a DUI in
twenty four. That was that was a public knowledge. The
leg he had a legac thank you. He had a
leg injury mid season last year. And granted he was
a Doke Walker Award winner in twenty twenty three for
the nation's top running back in college.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
I mean there was a point when.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
He had got there that guy was gonna be the
next coming from standpoint of guys coming into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
If he came into the draft class last year, he
would have been the number one back. Take and no
questions asked. But this guy this year, this past year,
really bad offensive line in Oklahoma State. He couldn't really
maneuver around it, didn't show a lot of contact balance
even though he's six foot two two twenty five. So
I wonder how many how much teams will value this
twenty four season compared to the twenty three year. But
you could get a guy if he channels what he
(28:02):
had in twenty three. Shoot, you're gonna have a pretty
good product on your hands. So Jarquois Hunter is another
guy that I have a fourth round grade on that
maybe could slip to the fifth.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
It's just it just based on so you're really you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Are gambling a little bit there though right on undred percent.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean you know it goes yeah, but if
you wait till anything, That's.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
What I'm saying. I'm just worried though, that we're gonna
sit there in the fourth round and we're do in
the draft show and we're covering it, and then we'll
talk about all of a sudden in day three, those
backs just start, and I think there's gonna be a
run on backs and potentially in the third round as well.
So we can see the run and then we'll maybe
see another run. And I wonder if if there's some guys,
(28:38):
if you if you told me with certainty and you
do a great job with the draft, Nick, if you
told me, hey, there's gonna be some fourth round guys
that are gonna be there in the fifth, then I
then I then I'll I'll go with you. But I'm
trying to I've kind of broke this thing down just
for simplicity, is the very good and the good. You
know what I'm saying, if you give me a chance
(28:59):
to draft DF very good, I'm going to draft very
good because I know good is good is good, but
very good might be the difference. You know, some of
these lines you talk about, you know, with the with
the Cardinals, their quarterback was a part of some of
the stuff, I mean, the threat of him running, and
you don't have that here. So people will be able
(29:21):
to say, Okay, can the offensive line in its current
configuration be good enough to be like with Arizona?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Possibly? Can the tiight ends block? Sure? You know that's
all possibly to the coaching, because we know the coaching
and stuff will be better. But the thing, like I said,
if you gave me an opportunity to draft very good
as opposed to good, I think that makes a difference.
I think backs do make a difference. That's why to me,
Ashton Genty when people are talking about why would you
take Ashton Genty? Because Ashton Genty makes your offensive line better.
(29:50):
His ability to make people miss make your offensive line better.
That's why if you have a guy that has that
kind of ability you know Harvey from Central floor. You
get a guy a draft like that, and all of
a sudden, he's making people miss your offensive lines better
because they don't always have to hold their blocks for
an extra count. They got backs that can make people
(30:14):
miss and get yards. Give me that. That's what I
wanted to back.
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We had a little prophete talk this girl Amberger seeing terrible.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
Why I always gave blame for things because we're bringing it,
we're not. But you said something. Nick looked at me,
We locked eyes and I just laughed. Okay, So that
was that, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Before we went to break Amber had a point she
wanted to make.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
That was your point?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Now, she mo, right, what did you make your point?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Hey, Hey, I'm gonna take my time.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
All right? Yeah, we got what good a minutes?
Speaker 9 (33:50):
So for it?
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Good good, good, because I'm gonna try to verbalize what
was going through my head so as you.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Insight.
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Speaker 10 (34:01):
Okay, while you guys were talking, I just kept going
back and forth on Okay, how big of a necessity
is it really for the cowboys to go get a
very dynamic running back, and I'm going back and forth
in what I've seen in history with the Dallas Cowboys,
and I'm thinking, okay.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
And I started running around when Zeke was drafted.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
At the time I did. I wasn't like crazy. I
know some people were choosing Zeke and they were looking
at him.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
At the time. I was more focused on the defense
and a corner.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
So then Zeke comes in and then you see the
fact that he had and the explosiveness and how everything.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Was just crazy and magical.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
But you have to take into account how the offensive
line looked at the time, how great that line was.
And then I started going back, Okay, how did those
other guys that weren't like Zeke caliber look like with
such a good offensive line? And I went back to
think about Alfred Morris, you had Rod Smith, and I remember,
(35:08):
I don't have a clear memory, but I remember at
the time they were very efficient, not to the Zeke level,
but they were still productive and taking care of business.
Even when Darren McFadden he went in, when Romo went
in for that last series of his career here with
the Cowboys and in the NFL, and he was very effective.
(35:30):
They went down, they drove that thing down so easy,
got into the end zone. So again that leads me
back to thinking, Okay, necessity and priority number one solidifying
the offensive line, making sure we all know that's where
it all starts, and focus and number one problem here
(35:51):
is making sure you have that you won't give the
protection to Dak, but also it just makes the running
backs job easier. Now, with that being said, I feel
like you solidify that and you can still be productive
with the guys. Back to your original question, Derek, you
can still I feel like, be productive with the guys
you currently have. But back to Brian's point, how much
(36:16):
of that next level are you willing to take it?
And how much are you willing to invest that? And
we saw even last year when you don't have a
running game, and the running game took a while to
get going with.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh my god, well they took a while to get
him going.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Yes, with the scheme and everything, but taken into account
everything that you guys said, the new coaching staff and
everything that they're trying to change up here, and really
they've been very vocal about putting an effort and being
intentional with the running game. So I think that's going
to be a main focus point for this offense and
(36:54):
a big priority there. So I think taking all of
that into account, it just I just keep going back
and forth of Okay, what's the right at.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
What point plan of attack?
Speaker 10 (37:07):
Yeah, but for the draft specifically, at what point do
you really want to invest into.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
A running back?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
And I mean I hate hearing what Nick says because
then I feel like, Okay, you're making me think we
can wait till day three.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
But then that does make me nervous.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
It makes everyone nervous.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
But it's good to know that there is depth options,
so many options out there. But I think again, priority
number one offensive line.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Yeah, the way I look at that, and I agree
with a lot of what you say there, Abro. I
will say this though, if let's say, for example, in
the first round, Dallas gets wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Let's say they get Teed or Golden, either one.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Let's say they pick up in the second or third round,
they pick up an offensive lineman in a cornerback. All right,
if they come away from days one and two with
those things, I feel a lot better about the idea
of getting even though you're taking a gamble getting a
running back.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Let's say in the fifth round.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
The reason why is because I think at that point
you will have an offense that has hopefully, hopefully or
at least what you hope, what you're thinking, your offensive
line will be somewhat solidified. You feel good about where
you're going with your offensive line. You have the new
offensive coaches who are going to focus on that offensive
of that run game. You have now a second wide receiver,
which they've been really needing here for quite a while,
(38:27):
and you've sewn up what you what you needed to
take care of a cornerback. Those, in my opinion, are
your three biggest areas of need. And I think running
back you can manage those other positions. I don't know
that you can manage those positions if you don't come
away from the draft with people that can come in
and immediately contribute. I think running back you it won't
be optimal. I get your point, Bright, it won't be optimal,
(38:48):
But I think you can manage with those other things
you've done. I think you can manage to have your
running back be take a little more chance on your
running back than you can on those other positions.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
It's if I could sounds like you want to pick
offensive line at twelve.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Mbar im Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's all about value though. My question for you guys,
y'all study the players.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Is there somebody projected to be there at twelve that's
worth that pick and is better, by the way, better
than the receivers that everybody's talking about, because quite frankly,
I look at that and I say, if I can
get that caliber receiver at twelve, unless you're gonna tell
me this offensive lineman to somebody that immediately walks in,
he is a Zach Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He's walking in.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
He's going to be your starter at guard or tackle
for the next I don't know, eight to ten years.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They're great. Let's let's let's have that conversation.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Has been great when drafting offensive lineman in that first round.
So I know that they know how to evaluate evaluate
these players when it comes to the line on offense.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And I think that.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Again, I know Nick has said before that he thinks
is gonna get back into being more mobile.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Potentially, that's just his intention. That's just his intention.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Okay, ye, his.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
Intention is to be back more to be mobile. Again,
I don't know how much I believe in that until
I see it. So I think there is even not
just the running game, but also Dak's game in general.
I think there is just a bigger necessity in making
sure you have someone that's very, very solid. Now, I
don't do the draft show like you guys do, so
you know better where that level of talent fits best.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Depending on the rounds, I.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Only have Teed McMillan is the only receiver that I
have above the first line or first round offensive lineman,
and those first round offensive linemen armand Membu out of Missouri,
will camp Out Lsu Kevin Banks out of Texas. So
those three guys, I.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Mean you would you stretch and do either one of
them pick out of one of them? At twelve?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
It worth different Millin is there no no, But based
on my if I'm sticking to my board, I would
be going with an offensive lineman because Membo I think
he would have some right guard flexibility.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Will Campbell.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
It would be Will Campbell and Ketwen Banks. They played
on the left side, but you would have to kind
of maneuver them and make them a little bit more
comfortable on the right side at guard. But I don't know,
it's you would definitely have to move some things around
and it would be a little difficult. You just drafted
a left tackle in the first round last year, so
are you giving up on that if you draft a
first round offensive lineman and it's just there'd be a
(41:23):
lot of questions you'd have to ask about it. But
I mean they have put in resources with thirty visits
and formal meetings of the combine in evaluating these first
round offensive linemen armand Membu is one of those guys,
so you have to factor that in as well.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yeah, it's if it's I have Josh Simmons from Ohio
State is one of my best offensive linemen and and
he is the only guy that I have above McMillan
on my stack. So to me, that's where Campbell's right
there for me. Membu's right there for me as well.
I have Banks a little bit later, you know, twenty
(41:58):
one on my stack. So I'm kind of I would
be committed to the first three names of Simmons, Campbell
or Mimbo, you know, over McMillan. I I'll tell you what.
The thing with Golden, The thing with Golden at wide
receiver just makes so much sense for me right now.
It really really does. But you know, but if if
you told me that, hey, one of those, don't I
(42:20):
said this, I don't think you can wipe me out
at twelve, right, Well don't. And somebody tried to wipe
me out the other day by taking the backs and
taking the wide receivers out of it in a mock draft.
And then I just picked Memboo and I just and
I moved on, and I'm like, you know, you can't.
You cannot wipe this team out at twelve. I don't
believe so to me. And to Amber's point, that to
(42:41):
me would be the one he said if you said
a kind of a surprise position to take, I think
offensive line tight end would be the most surprising to
me in the first but then offensive tackle would probably
be the next most surprising group to me. Oor safety, Uh,
I think safety is you know, I don't know if
they would take somebody at twelve. That's That's what I'm saying. Yea, yeah,
(43:05):
at twelve. I but tight end, Yeah, you could throw
safety in there. But I kind of feel like, though
to me, the fact that they visited one, I think
they visited us more of a second round one of
the names that we had. But you can't wipe this
team out with the draft because or with an order
of guys going off the board ahead of them, they
they'll have somebody that they can fall back on, and
(43:27):
like I say, a guy like Membo, I'd have absolutely
no problem with that one.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
All right, that's a wrap for us. We will be
back next week. Actually next next Wednesday will be on
and on Thursday the draft begins. So next week we'll
talk a little bit more about draft, talk about who
you guys really want to see or expect the Cowboys
to select with that number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Brian, Can I give you a homework assignment for next week? Sure? Question.
I want to ask you guys, could the receiver you
draft potentially at twelve be better than ce d Lamb?
You're trying to get messy, No, I'm not, just could
the receiver you drafted well eventually be better than all Right,
we'll think about we'll.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Talk about that. We'll talk about that when we come back.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
We'll be back next week on Wednesday, same time till
then for Nick Harris, Brian brod Us to Namagarci. I'm
Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas
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