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Derek Eagleton, Ambar Garcia, Voch Lombardi and Bryan Broaddus discuss latest Dallas Cowboys news and notes on Cowboys Break.
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Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break?
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Yes?
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Are you ready for a break?
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Absolutely?
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Ready for a break?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 6 (00:23):
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Were with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi and
Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It is Tuesday, October twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, Season
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Speaker 7 (00:55):
Chris, I told you Derek is too old to know
the trend six seven?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What what are you doing? And bro let me just
keep it a buggy time.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Ice just too old to know what the hell six
seven is. And I ain't got kids, so I don't
know nobody is. Nobody's taught the thirty three year old
with six seven.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You know that's actually that's actually around the age where
you start losing touch because you don't care. No more
like you don't care about it, impressident kids and who cares?
Who cares? Like? That's about the age where I started
being like, I don't care about what y'all talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Y'all it's stupid, it's crazy. When I was when I
was in high school. When I was in high school,
the best rapping the world was Lil Wayne.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Lil Wayne was ridiculous in high school.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
When I was in high school, yeah, middle school. Really,
Wayne was high for a long time. My dad had
no clue Wayne was hot, And I was like, man,
how do you not know that Lil Wayne is hot?
NBA young boy is a guy now I know who
he is. Can't name win him, not one song from him.
I don't know who that is, right, bad bunny, don't
know one bad Buddy song? Yep, I can't sing it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You start seeing him in places, people are like, oh,
that's whoever?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
You like?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
What it is? Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
The NFL love a famous YouTube content created TikTok character
idd who is that?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
What they do for?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What they saying? I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Don't see seven.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
You gotta keep up?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What's six?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Seven six seven is something we can in group seven?
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Then, No, you only know if you're only group seven.
People know if they're in group seven.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It sounds like something we can't say. So we can't say.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Sorry, y'all, Brian, where are you on this?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Man? I you know what's the sad Brian's mind about six?
Speaker 8 (02:28):
I just gotta get some questions right.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Back to football? Espose the programming right back? I guess,
I guess the football. Yeah, all right, So here's what
I want to do today. We're gonna we gonna got it.
Speaker 8 (02:40):
We gotta we got a defense that gives up six
seven yards of carry full circle.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
We are gonna get to We are gonna dive inside
the brain of Brian brought us in the second segment
and in the third segment. Today we're gonna try to
hear from you guys. We're gonna take some money.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh no way, no way.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Instead, you want such a trendsetter, but you want to
know what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You want to know what it is. I didn't get
a chance to do the rundown last night, so this
morning I was like, well, what can you doing? A
third segment? Questions? Let's take a question, it doesn't matter
to reason. And by the way, and by the way,
next week when we're on a bye and the week
after that comes talk about So we're gonna take a
lot of questions and get ready. Get ready with your questions,
because we're gonna be listening to y'all talk more than
we're gonna be talking over the next two weeks. So
(03:25):
just just know that's how Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Next up on my list the TVs. We gotta make
sure this happens.
Speaker 9 (03:31):
Before their TV is right there to TVs.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
Christmas time. Yeah, for Christmas, Christy christ by Christmas, Christmas time,
Christmas time.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'll take a TV. We are Chris and she's getting
frustrated with us, Like, you know, wait till we get
to break. That's for you. In the break, I won't.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Get too cocky.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
All right, here's we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We ain't gonna talk about it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just ticking. Okay. Now, first segment today, I did
want to talk about the injuries BB coming back this week. Brow, No,
that's not what I want to talk about. I don't worry,
but I actually want to talk about linebacker. I want
to talk about linebackeruse the owner and general manager brought
up linebacker this morning. I thought it was very interesting
the way that he called them out. This is what
he said. He says, we need to basically have better
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play from the linebackers, maintaining the integrity of our gaps
which the linebackers have to fill. The linebackers have to slide.
So they did a good job against us talking about Denver,
and we did a poor job. That being said, how
significant do you think it is that Jerry spoke specifically
about a position, which he doesn't tend to do a lot.
He doesn't tend to call out specific players or positions,
(04:42):
even necessarily, especially when he's giving a critique. How significant
do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Man, don't you know, I don't want to come on
his radio station and all this these paid for all
these microphones and things like that, and saying he's a
couple of weeks later on that, but boy, missus.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Jones, a couple of weeks later, we've been talking out
on the break for a minute. So if you want
to look at it indirectly, you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't listen to us whatever.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Yeah, don't people that he pays talking about it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So it's it's been addressed. Yeah, didn't address it till today.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
But gap integrity, y'all, that's that's the name of the game.
When you run defense, look decent, your gap integrity was,
you know it was, it was solid. When your run
defense is horrific, nine times out of ten, it's somebody
playing hero ball and nine team ball, and the gap
integrity is not always there. Well, we've saw plenty times.
Me and Brian broke broke down a little bit of
film on it. I showed twice. It happened like seven is.
(05:33):
Sometimes your end doesn't stay outside, you know. And what
happens is if your in don't stay outside, then running
back goes outside. If you're a linebacker, you don't feel
your b gap, nine times out of ten, somebody gonna
go right where you left off at Most of these
offensive run systems are based on the running backs eyes,
what they see in them finding grass. So not only
if you didn't hit your gap, but if you far
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missed your gap.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think it's something on film.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Also, I can't prove this because I ain't Sean Payne
number Brian do, and I'll let you know when ever
he texts us back. I think that they're seeing on
film that our edges get caught inside too much, and
that makes the linebackers get caught inside too much. So
what happened is these teams will confidently crack your linebacker
with a wide receiver and they'll just put your tight
end one on one with your edge guy and just
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pin everything to the inside. And that happens a whole bunch.
I wonder if that's something that these past few coaches
have saw from you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But Jerry ain't wrong.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Jerry and his people that's feeding him and the lynx
and information, he's absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Let me ask you this question real quick on that
before you go, Brian. When you talk about the defensive
ends getting caught inside, and I brought this up yesterday,
and I can't quite figure out which I think it is.
It's happening a lot, as you said, You see it
on film a ton, particularly with Sam Well. He crashes
down hard and takes that inside gap. It makes me
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wonder is he being coached and is it his responsibility
to take that inside gap, in which case, really it's
not him that's the problem. The problem is the linebacker
again is not scraping and getting to that outside gap
where that is his responsibility. Which do you think it is.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
It's called the run blitz and what it is is Sam.
And we've talked about this before. If we remember when
Tank Lawrence, remember how instinctual Tank would be Abu to
be third and three and you're playing the Seahawks and
all of a sudden he's reading formation and he sees
wing to his side and he's thinking like, Okay, they're
coming this way. I'm gonna go hard inside charge and
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see if I can make a play. I think Sam
is doing it because Sam is told that, Hey, we're
going to run blitz this this this particular play and
when you go down and like Vox was talking about it,
and I thought, very well, the where the fills come in,
where it's a A gap, it's an A gap charge,
it's a B gap fill, it's a C gap fill.
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And there's been times where we've seen and again watch
and I broke it down this morning where you do
see herd inside charge and then you don't see Murray
get over the top or you don't see James get
over the top. So the design is your The whole
idea is to replace all the gaps. So if you
have a guy playing sea gap going to a gap.
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Now you've got to replace the B gap and the
sea gap all in the defense to make it make
it a solid front. Dallas hasn't been able to get that.
You know, they've had unfortunately, they've had plays where all
of a sudden, a guys, say, like an outstanding run
defender like Kenny Clark is on the ground.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He's on the ground.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Now guard's up on the linebacker, so the linebacker can't.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Get over to make a fill. So now you have an.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Inside charge, no fill, and then the other fill is
too wide, having to take two gaps. We saw that
with the situation with with Elam. You know, Elom is
in the in the play, but he's too wide to
make the play. The ball goes up inside of him.
So it's it's to answer your question, it's Sam being
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told to play, but they're getting hurt when it comes
to the execution of actually where everybody needs to fit
to make the run be defended.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Also to his ways, you can actually tell the very
first player of the game, Marsha and kneeling when you
saw him, he didn't immediately go inside like he was
outside a little bit and tight end took him inside,
like like that's that's one of us to tell. Yeah,
And then there's another way to tell, you know, coaches
will tell you to cheat a little bit, like if
it's your job to get the B gap, then you
can kind of pre snap, just cheat to be gap,
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to just make it easy for you to get there.
It happened to Dante Foule. It ain't men called him out,
It just kind of happened a little bit. Dante Foulers
started off real wide. I'm like, man, why would you
start so wide if it's your job to be in
be gap. Turn Out it was in his job to
be in begap. I think he felt something. He felt
the run go away, so he crashed real, real hard,
and the running back went right off of him, and
it was a one on one with the Elam and
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Elam wasn't expecting to be the only one on the
island with the running back, and bad things happen after that.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
So your question about, you know, is this unusual or
this is unusual for Jerry to single out a specific
group position group. I did find it interesting one. I'm
okay with him doing that. That's totally fine. We've been
talking about the linebacker position. I like the accountability.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Okay, they're saying what we're saying, you know, not that
they're not, but it's always better to hear it that
they are also kind of on the same page. But
I did find it interesting because after the game, Brian
Schottenheimer one of the things that he emphasized was the
culture of the team, and he's like, Okay, when you
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have adversity, that's good. It's good. It's what you do
with it. Though it's either gonna make your team or
break it. It's how you respond to it. And he
said something about the culture that he's building on the
team is that right now there wouldn't be anyone that
starts finger pointing and saying this person did that or
that person did that. And that's something that he was
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very proud of voicing and being that's when kind of
everything can start to go downhill when you start singling
out people. And the fact that then Jerry makes that
calm man, I just thought it was kind of, you know,
it's a contrast there. So I did find the kind
of interested in that sense.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
I think when you've listened to and this is one
of the advantages that I do have working with one
O five to three is that we have the opportunity
to talk to Jerry Jones and to Brian Schottenheimer and
to Stephen Jones. I think this week from all three
of those gentlemen has been a different tone. There has
been a different tone. It's not that, well, hey, we're okay,
(11:31):
we just got to execute better and we've got to
No this week. This week was a I think it
was a real slap in the face, pardon the expression
of reality of what this football team probably is. And
there the tone of Jerry Jones now saying linebacker play has.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
To be better.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
And you know he could have he could very easily
said our defensive line play has to be better, our
secondary has to be better. But when you look at
overall some of the things that they've struggled with in
the running game, it has in the linebackers. I think
he gave you a very honest answer. But I think
overall the tone of your top, your coach, and your
executives has really changed. You know that that game was
(12:13):
very eye opening and Stephen Jones is right, three four
and one is not going to get you into the playoffs.
I mean that is just not and you know, usually
it's like, oh, we just need to play better. You know,
well we're about no and you know, put our heads
in the sand kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I didn't.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
I didn't detect that in the last couple of days
when listening to them talk. I since there is a
sense of it is not good enough and we damn
need to do something about it right now.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's interesting, Brian, even though it's starting on Sunday.
I think we heard a different tone from coach Shoddy
after the game. It didn't feel like what you typically
hear from coaches that you know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yeah, it was there was we'll get on the practice
field and well.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah we got for correct our mistake. It will be better.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
It wasn't that. It was, hey, this ain't good enough.
We got to fix it, and there will be changes.
And my question becomes like, I know he said, you
know there will be changes and kind of alluded to
after the bye, but my question is like, what kind
of changes could even be made that really at this
point would give you faith that the defense can be better.
(13:16):
I mean, I know you're gonna get some players back,
but as I said yesterday, I don't trust you today. Okay, good,
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Speaker 8 (16:58):
If you feel like that, Stephen Jones regrets saying that
the defense was fixed when they made the trade for
Micah the run defense was fixed.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Man, they all regretting that stuff. Of course, he said
it just like that. Boy, I bet they watched Packers games.
They just got to shake their head and just imagine
and play a good old game.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Or what if you get it wrong, then where did
they Where did they get it wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Where did they get it wrong?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I think they got it wrong thinking that Kenny Clark
was like the one piece that was gonna, you know,
fix it like in that kind of way. And Brian,
what we've learned is that this defense is so bad
as a whole. Even if your run defense is solid,
then team will still find a way to throw the
ball against you. You know, if you do deal with the
with the pass, then then we'll just running around and
we'll just do it like that. Brian, I think this
(17:43):
uh now where they still have a little hope. Stephen
maybe spoke a little early shouts out of brother Steve,
me and Himku. I think you know where they may
have spoke a little too soon. The run defense may
not be better this year, you crack, because the run defense.
For me, this is a true blue. The run defense
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may not be good this year, but after they trade
or they draft some kids or whatever come up here,
then they'll be like, well, well I never told y'all
that the run is gonna be good this year, but
the run's good next year with Kendy Clark and draft
picks or Kenny Clark and some miscellaneous can't do we
can go trade for the coming of the run defense.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
How about you amber this Stephen Jones, you think he
regrets saying that he felt that the run defense was
fixed when they made that trade.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
It didn't prove for a little bit. We saw a
little bit of improvement there. But I think I think
that regardless of the trade and I'm gonna go further
beyond just the run defense. I think the defense would
be exactly what it is right now. Maybe not exactly
the same obviously if you have a pass rusher, but
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at the same time, you I truly feel you would
be getting similar results as to what you are having
right now. And I hate criticizing coaches and certain players
because you develop a certain type of relationship, so it
makes it difficult for you to come on here, get
on the mic and then start talking about their job
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and how bad they're doing and this and that. So
I hate that. But at the same time, I think
it goes beyond the player's ability. We keep talking. Yes,
it is a combination there, but it comes back to
coaching and what is currently happening with the defensive coordinator.
And I don't want to say, oh, pack your bags
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and leave.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They don't know me.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I'll say it, man, if you if you don't figure
something out, it's happening fast.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
It's just it's just unfortunate that it's going to this
point of the season so far along to where you
haven't actually seen true improvement or some sense of hope.
We saw it.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What was it?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Who did we play the Was it the Panthers two
weeks ago? No, watch Washington. We saw there and there
was a little bit of hope that you started feeling,
but you knew you had to see it happen back,
you know, back to back weeks and have some kind
of consistency there. But not enough has happened to where
you think, yeah, that trade made any difference.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Derek, how much better does this defense have to be?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
And how fast before we start to feel better about
about flues?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Two more stops a game, two more stops again, two
more stops again?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Like it is that enough to make you go, all right, Louis,
next year we're gonna run it back.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I'm just this, you know.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
To me, That's why I think I'm still really gung
ho about making a trade, because I'm interested in finding
a way give this offense two more possessions a game.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So give them two more possessions.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
A game and see what happens. And I think that
I think you'll be out of harm's way a lot more.
You know now, now teams are chasing, but teams have
thrown the ball well against you too, But I would
rather them try and you know, maybe you can. We've
seen them get pressure. You just haven't seen him get
the sacks. But I'm thinking two more stops a game
handing the ball back to your offense. It worked in
(21:10):
the Commander's game. They got plenty of stops in the
Commander's game. And what Dallas do. They took advantage of
the offense, took advantage of that, put up a lot
of points. That's all I'm asking, Man, if you give
me two more good stops a game, I could be
okay with what this team's doing.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I honestly, I look at I'm a little bit
disheartened by what I've seen from the defense from the
standpoint that they're giving up chunk plays in the run
game and the pass game and against poor competition. That's
the part that really bothers me. And it's it's really honestly,
there's only been one team that didn't gash them like that,
and they had some moments too, and that was Washington.
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And so you basically the only team that hasn't gassed
you to that level had no players. Yeah, they were
down their top three wide receivers and and so I I, yes,
I look at it, and I'm like, I've gotten to
point now, I'm not sure that you go out and
get me that stud player that we've been talking so
much about on this show. Sure, I don't know that
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it's going to change a ton because I would say right.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Now, change going back to the years the next year, yes, yes,
And by the way, if you get the right back
to your original question, I think Kenny Clark may be
more valuable.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
To you if you get more players in this defense.
I just think right now, like there are so many problems,
and a lot of the problems I've been saying forever,
I still believe it reside with the linebacker position, and
because the linebackers are not being in that will expose
so much about your defense because they have responsibilities in
a run game and the past game and them being
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out of position can affect both in some very profound ways.
We've seen plays down field. We've seen plays downfield this
year where linebacker was out of position and play ends
up behind them and it's yeah, touchdown. So I think
right now the biggest challenge just the linebackers. But I
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think there's so many issues right now going on, I'm
not sure that one player solves it. And so for me,
that's where you do have to say, Okay, coaches, y'all
got to figure out a plan with this group of players,
because all the players can't be bad. You got to
figure out a plan now to use the skills of
the players that you have in order to make this
defense decent and workable.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I think even if Michael was here, things look weird
on defense.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah that's my point. Yeah, that's my point because guess
what he would be crashing down just like Sam Williams doing,
and that linebacker still wouldn't be feeling and you still
have that forty yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, and Barr Mike could be playing corner some.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, Coach Schottenheimer.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Coach Shottenheimer addressed changes with the lineup. Give me one
you'd like to make?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Lay Satagan.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Coach Schottenheimer addressed changes with the lineup, Give me one
you'd like to make?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Can I get a boys credit?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
While she's thinking, Sam and Fouler got list got less
reps this week? I thought that was important shut out
to them. It ain't helped nothing, but I did notice
that they had list reps and clowney and kneeling got more.
Still got to figure out a little bit, But that's
a change. So shouts out to them for.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Doing that right offense your defense, you can make it.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, there are two things. No, it's because I don't
want to say it. I don't want to say say.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
It, write it down, I say no, sign it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, it just.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Goes back to the previous question and what I was saying, like,
I don't like talking. No, I don't like talking about
people's jobs, you know. But if there was a change
to be made, there would be two. One I'm meet
the trades, like.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I don't want to say it, but I got two
more than what you asked for.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
It don't One is a trade. I'm making a trade happen.
I don't care what you guys say about the pigs
next year and all that. I want someone that has
the experience already. I don't have time to develop players.
I need one that has the experience to come in
here and stay for here next year.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Okay, a word with you, please, No, I've.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Seen it happen already. Okay, enough, it's enough. And then
the other one, I would change a voice. I would
change a voice.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's a polite way to say it, boy, because I want.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
To hear some other different type of inspiration some other
different type of ideas. Let's brainstorm in there and just
hear it from somebody else. And that's all I would
say on that point.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
That's classy as hell, and that's a great way to
say fire today the Fens coordinator, I.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Don't want you to translate to reward.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
What I was.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I need a new voice.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Oh that's fantastic, Ahead Brow, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I think I'm changing the right tackle. I think I've
seen enough there. I think Nate Thomas. I think Thomas
might give me a little bit better, a little bit
better production consistently, because I will say this, I thought
at least and maybe it may take a little while
for them to get back to it. The right side
of the offensive line earlier in the year, I felt
like was giving you a really good push in the
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run game. This last game that wasn't happening. And maybe
it was the opponent. Maybe it was going to take
a while for Bookering him to get back on the
same page. But I just feel like that was the
part of Steele's game that I actually was appreciating, was
he was giving me something in the run game. If
this last game is an indication of where we're going
to be then I would say, let's let's get Nate
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out there. Maybe you can get a little bit more
out of one or the other. But right now, I
just feel like that's that's the weakest link in my
opinion on the offensive line right now, outside of getting
your center back. When you get your center back, I
think that'll shure that up a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Brian, I think we should find a new Green Die guy.
I think we should find a new Green Die guy.
And if the biggest problem is communication, then you can
kind of go to the nucleus of the defense. I
will say, which is our Green guy. I'm just man
as nice as I can say it. Man, you know
he fantastic Washington game. You had a fantastic Giants game,
but you've had more. You know, if you have like
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a great game and maybe like a cool to average
or a bad game, I think there's a you know,
you can I can hang around and I can hang
with you, I can defend you publicly. But if you
have like a fantastic game and the worst game I've
ever seen and another worst game I've ever seen, then
maybe there needs to be changes at Green Doyck guy,
what we often see is they'll rotate linebackers out, but
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they'll rotate the opposite guys, but they'll keep green Dock
guy in there. I'm trying to be nice like Ambar,
but but but they'll keep green Dock Guy.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I'm in my head right now, I'm like anything, you
ain't say nothing.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I said it. I think this team could benefit. I
think Mary's lee if I would be a fantastic green
dock guy. It may not be the best linebacker that
you have right now, but he is smart. And if
your biggest problem is communication, as long as you run
in the right direction, you may overrun it. But as
long as you run in the right direction and you
can at least get everybody else on the same and
maybe call some things out, I think that'll be a
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little bit of a benefit.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Can I say some real quick and this is to
the point that you were making Amber, I would say
even a better way to look at that is before
you would say because I don't love the idea of
changing the actual person in season. I don't think good
things typically come from that. What I would say might
be a better option is if I were, if I
were the head coach, maybe I would go to him,
and I would say, look, man, I'm not saying the
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scheme don't work. I'm saying the scheme isn't working with
this set of players. What I need you to do
in the bye week is I need you to come
up with a set of plays. And maybe it's not
a different scheme, but I need you to figure out
the plays in that scheme that best fit these players.
If you keep asking this defensive end to crash down,
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you want your linebackers scrape part to the outside, and
they're not doing it effectively. Do something different. Let the
defensive end stay outside and have outside contained versus having
him crash down. Maybe that's a better way to do it.
I would just say, don't change the say I need
you to flip We've tried it for nine weeks. At
that point, if it ain't working, it ain't working. It's
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time to say it ain't working, try something different. That's
where I would be making the big changes is change
change the script. Like whatever you're doing is not working.
You need to flip the script and do something very
different that these players actually can execute, because right now
you're not gonna get new linebackers Overstone's coming back but
you're not gonna change all the linebackers, so you may
want to ask them to do something different because what
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you're asking them, they're just not capable of doing this.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's a sad part.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Coach gonna look at you and be like, Coach, I
don't have plays that ask the ends to crash. They
supposed to be outside. He just crash anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Well, I will tell you this if that's the case,
because that was my dilemma earlier in the week when
I was saying that as you said, like seven eight plays,
the same thing was happening. If you got a player
that on seven or eight plays, well, is doing something
that you've told him specifically don't do this? Why is
he still playing? And that's what makes me think this
is not him just freelancing. If he's doing it. And
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by the way, this is the first game we've seen
this throughout the year, because I remember mentioning it to
Nick this last game as we were sitting in the
press box, I was like, have you noticed every time
to get in goshed like Sam's crashing hard to the inside.
I'm like, he cannot be doing this over all these
weeks just on his own and nobody has said Sam.
If you continue to do this, you won't be playing.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Sam got mad on the internet. But we ain't gonna
tell no lies about your brother. If you get cracked,
the technique is to cross face because if they cracking you,
they run on the other side of that crack. Ain't
nothing wrong with getting cracked because sometimes you don't see
the crack. Donvinezerak, who does it real well, if you
crack him, he'll instantly cross face and he'll get back
in the fight. You can't get cracked all the way
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to the other sea gap. I ain't made him no
lives about nobody. I could do a film session me
and ambar Win an Emmy on it. I ain't lyning
about nobody. It's the small technical things. You can't run
around with your eyes closed. You gotta find the ball
carry Sometimes it looked like your edge rush are running
around with their eyes closed, or run down the middle
people with their eyes closed.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
You can't win like that.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Here's my last hot take. I know we got to
go to break though, but.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh trust me, Darren, I go.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
This is everything that everybody's saying is absolutely true. But
there's a bigger, fundamental problem. Was that it's the interview
process of hiring your coaches is really well, sure, and
I say this in this way, and it's unfortunate the
last three years you've had three different coordinators. We've talked
about that, We've talked about the style of players, you
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have the players that are currently on the roster and stuff.
But if you have a team that is really good
in one specific area or is built in one specific area,
and you feel like, listen, we can't completely overhaul the
team just for this coach. It's about the hiring of
the coach. It's about the process of knowing when you're
going to hire. Yeah, they have familiarity to the front office.
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They have familiarity with Matti Refluce. Matti Refluse is a
good coordinator. He has been in the past. The problem is, though,
if you have a team that's been built a certain
way and then you try to say, Okay, we're going
to bring this guy in because we have some familiarity
with him. And this is what's unfortunate about with Shaddy
as a first year head coach. You know, maybe he
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had an idea of who he wanted to bring in offensively,
but maybe he didn't have an idea what he wanted
to do defensively, and maybe he didn't have enough time
to really think about it, but.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Clayton Adams was one of the when.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
You when you start to think about like, okay, well
we have familiarity with Matti Eberflus as a coach, Well,
what's his scheme, what does he like to do, how
does he like to play? Well, let's look at the
next thing. Is our team built in a way currently
to play that type of.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Scheme where the defensive I think.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
That I think that you have to It's it's really
it's bigger than that. It's bigger than guys coming down
and run a linebacker scraping and all that. You have
a team that was built a certain way for certain coaches.
It's not built for this current coordinator to be that way.
And that's why when Derek has to ask the head
coach to walk in there and say, hey, come up
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with three things. Come up with three things, the coordinator
look at him and say like, hey, I've been doing
this a long time.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You know if we.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Had players that could do this, That's that's the biggest
disconnect to me that if you want to, if you
want to talk about Dallas Cowboys defensive football issues, it's
you have players that don't fit with this cord.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Well, does that fall under the experience of like, again,
remembering this as far as year year one, you've had a.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Lot of injuries though too, they've had a lot of injuries,
but they but you have a team that you know,
you had a team that was built with that. You
had Dan Quinn players, you got Mike Zimber players. You've
got players, and now you've got a scheme in because
you went and hired a coach. I think because you
had a first year head coach. You had a guy
that probably didn't have a whole lot of time putting
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together a staff. And so to me, that's the number
one fundamental issue right now you have players that are
built to play a different way and until you get
players that play but then.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Again, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Oh, we're all getting mad at the coordinator and rightfully, so, okay,
now we get rid of the coordinator. Okay, now that's
the fourth coordinator that we're gonna have. And do we
have players that are built for how it's his scheme? See,
this is where the attention to detail when it comes
to hiring coaches is so important because you look at
teams like the Ravens and others that when they lose
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a coach, they have the next one ready that knows
the scheme and knows how to play the scheme and
knows the players. They have somebody ready to go. You
don't have that luxury here right now, and I think
you're paying for it.
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Welcome back. It is the final segment of the break
Laugh from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're
gonna take some phone calls here in the final segment,
we got a call from Brian out in Kansas City. Brian,
what up?
Speaker 13 (37:44):
Good morning ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
What's that big?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Don't hey?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
So my question is really a from a pro scouting
point of view, and I'm not against moving Lea Fou
to Begreen dot guy, but from the outside, is it
realistic in the middle of the season to bring in
a Mike linebacker, give him the green dot and say, hey, Tiger,
go get them. You know, I'm just curious, and I'm
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not talking about the oddball guy like Luke Kinkley or
a Sean Lee. We know that you give that guy
two weeks, you'll have the whole defense figured out and
be teaching everybody else. But from a pro scouting point
of view, is it realistic for most people to bring
him in mid season? Or is edge defender? Are we
kind of boxed into edge defenders kind of the only
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thing you can do at this point in the season.
And I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Fantastic question, man.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I think that's that's something that you have to think about,
Like these Mike linebackers are really as good as they
know what's happening. Well, boy, this is the rare situation
of the Cowboys that you have yourself in. It's just
like the linebackers you have right now, just all over
the place. So if you have a linebacker that he
may not know everything about this system, but he's simply
just not just not all over the place, and you know,
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maybe he can just read keys a little bit better.
You're just trying to get a little better. And lucky
for us it's still October now. Then maybe he'll know
the system by November December when you're really trying to
make this run.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Yeah. I think there's certain linebackers and I mean, and
I know it probably is not against I mean, we
saw Roquan Smith. Did you traded him from the Bears?
And I know Roquan Smith is is a is a
rare player that way, But I think there's some linebackers
that you could absolutely bring in here and and and
and they can make a difference right off the jump.
I know, uh, we can't really talk about names because
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they're still on. But there's there's a couple that I've
looked at that I know, uh that if they were
given it, if you traded something for them and brought
them in, I think you can immediately plug them in
and there and they're not named Roquan Smith or anything
like that.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Plush Cover three at the Dallas Cowboys is just like
Cover three at nat Just High School.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
You want to expound on that, Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Cover three is basically uh to do was in the
flat and three dudes deep. However you decide to work
that out. It could be two corners and one free deep.
It could be a free and a strong and a
corner deep. As long as it is they got configuration,
you got it, and two guys in the flat got
had that good stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Let's get a call from Carmine in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
What's up, Hey, how you doing? I got I have
a quick question, but I got to tell a story
real fast for three seconds.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Well got two seconds, all.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Right, So WoT this is out for you. I'm actually
in New Jersey and I just wanted to let you
know in my meetings. When we have a meeting, I
start out by saying, Man, yes, serious, So just for
the note of it, the whole New Jersey says man.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Now that's all your brother, what you got for?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yes, sir, all right. My question is, Brian, you just
said a couple of seconds ago about the player personnel,
which I agree, But don't you think good coach would
adapt to the coaching style of the players.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Well, I think that's what I'm saying. These coaches are
a lot of them. I know Mike Zimmer, Bill Parcells
allowed him to coach this four to three defense for
Bill's first year and then but he told Mike, he goes,
if you're still going to stay around, you're gonna have
to learn how to coach at three four, And Mike
did to the to Mike's credit, and Mike learned that way.
But I think a lot of it has to do
when you're when you're a brand new coach on a staff. Now,
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Matt's been around a long time and every and Matt
has his ways of coaching three coaching. I think there's things. Yeah,
you have to absolutely adapt, but this mean this to
me seems like they haven't adapted well. Enough, and if
there's not a willingness to do that, then Matt was
the wrong hire. You have to have that willingness to
be able to adapt. But to me, this just goes
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back to three coordinators in three years. I think you're
asking a lot of I think you're asking a lot
of the coordinator. I think you're asking a lot of
the players. But again, the front off is like, you know,
if we keep having turnovers at coordinator, doesn't it doesn't it?
I think they learned their lesson. Make sure that you
have the coordinator that can can currently coach the style
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of play that your players are good at. That takes
a lot of that. Well, you need to adapt. That's
that's a big thing for a coach that's been doing
this for a long time.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Well, you know one of the things that I would
think about Brian there you mentioned Zimmer. I think when
you hire an experienced and a really good defensive coordinator,
I think there is an expectation that that guy can
adapt to the players that they have. Because if you
look at Zimmer last year, it didn't start off Rosie,
he said he wish he would have done to his
own way. He said, he goes I wish I would have.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
Done what I wanted to do earlier instead of try
and play to the strengths.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
What I got. But I guess my point though, is
with an experienced defensive coordinator, whatever you start off doing,
I think there's an expectation that you have the ability
to be able to adapt as the season wears on
to whatever you need to do, whether that is do
more of this, more of that, more of that, your experience,
you're good at it, figure it out. That's where again
I get back to that's where I would challenge if
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I'm the head coach, I would can't challenge ibra Flus
at this point to say it's not working. What you're saying,
what you're wanting them to do is not working. Now
it's time for you to figure out how to adapt.
And I think that's where that's the difference between hiring
a guy who's had success in the NFL as a
defensive coordinator and has been a good defensive coordinator and
a guy that's the first time defensive coordinator. You may
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have had that faith in them to be able to adapt.
I would suggest you should be able to have that
kind of faith in an experienced, high quality defensive coordinator,
and that's where I would challenge him to do that well.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Also, when you talk about the players, and I know
a lot of people want to discuss, oh, well, you
don't have the talent, you don't have the talent on
the field, And to that, I would say, there are
players are our talent and we've mentioned it here before,
we've seen them play at a higher level. But at
the same time, I find it very hard to believe
that even with backup players, that they're unable to play
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at a certain level. I mean, there's a reason why
you're in the NFL backup or not backup. You're in
here because you're trusted to have the abilities or capabilities
for you to be able to do something at least
I'm not saying be groundbreaking and start, you know, getting
interceptions every time, turnovers and all that, but at least
to be able to cover a guy, be close enough
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nowhere to go know what's happening. The amount of time
we're seeing games and that someone is completely open, it's
like what in the world, Like, what is happening? What
is happening? So I think there's something to be said
with the lack of communication and people knowing exactly where
they should be and who's doing what, who's doing what
job and all that. So all of that to me
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personally comes down to the leader in that room.
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Speaker 7 (00:55):
Chris, I told you Derek is too old to know
the trend six seven?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What what are you doing? And bro let me just
keep it a buggy time.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Ice just too old to know what the hell six
seven is. And I ain't got kids, so I don't
know nobody is. Nobody's taught the thirty three year old
with six seven.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You know that's actually that's actually around the age where
you start losing touch because you don't care. No more
like you don't care about it, impressident kids and who cares?
Who cares? Like? That's about the age where I started
being like, I don't care about what y'all talking about.
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Y'all it's stupid, it's crazy. When I was when I
was in high school. When I was in high school,
the best rapping the world was Lil Wayne.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Lil Wayne was ridiculous in high school.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
When I was in high school, yeah, middle school. Really,
Wayne was high for a long time. My dad had
no clue Wayne was hot, And I was like, man,
how do you not know that Lil Wayne is hot?
NBA young boy is a guy now I know who
he is. Can't name win him, not one song from him.
I don't know who that is, right, bad bunny, don't
know one bad Buddy song? Yep, I can't sing it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You start seeing him in places, people are like, oh,
that's whoever?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
You like?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
What it is? Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
The NFL love a famous YouTube content created TikTok character
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Speaker 4 (02:03):
What they do for?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What they saying? I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Don't see seven.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
You gotta keep up?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What's six?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Seven six seven is something we can in group seven?
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Then, No, you only know if you're only group seven.
People know if they're in group seven.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It sounds like something we can't say. So we can't say.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Sorry, y'all, Brian, where are you on this?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Man? I you know what's the sad Brian's mind about six?
Speaker 8 (02:28):
I just gotta get some questions right.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Back to football? Espose the programming right back? I guess,
I guess the football. Yeah, all right, So here's what
I want to do today. We're gonna we gonna got it.
Speaker 8 (02:40):
We gotta we got a defense that gives up six
seven yards of carry full circle.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
We are gonna get to We are gonna dive inside
the brain of Brian brought us in the second segment
and in the third segment. Today we're gonna try to
hear from you guys. We're gonna take some money.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh no way, no way.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Instead, you want such a trendsetter, but you want to
know what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You want to know what it is. I didn't get
a chance to do the rundown last night, so this
morning I was like, well, what can you doing? A
third segment? Questions? Let's take a question, it doesn't matter
to reason. And by the way, and by the way,
next week when we're on a bye and the week
after that comes talk about So we're gonna take a
lot of questions and get ready. Get ready with your questions,
because we're gonna be listening to y'all talk more than
we're gonna be talking over the next two weeks. So
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just just know that's how Thank you, Thank you.
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Next up on my list the TVs. We gotta make
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Christmas time. Yeah, for Christmas, Christy christ by Christmas, Christmas time,
Christmas time.
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I'll take a TV. We are Chris and she's getting
frustrated with us, Like, you know, wait till we get
to break. That's for you. In the break, I won't.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Get too cocky.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
All right, here's we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We ain't gonna talk about it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just ticking. Okay. Now, first segment today, I did
want to talk about the injuries BB coming back this week. Brow, No,
that's not what I want to talk about. I don't worry,
but I actually want to talk about linebacker. I want
to talk about linebackeruse the owner and general manager brought
up linebacker this morning. I thought it was very interesting
the way that he called them out. This is what
he said. He says, we need to basically have better
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play from the linebackers, maintaining the integrity of our gaps
which the linebackers have to fill. The linebackers have to slide.
So they did a good job against us talking about Denver,
and we did a poor job. That being said, how
significant do you think it is that Jerry spoke specifically
about a position, which he doesn't tend to do a lot.
He doesn't tend to call out specific players or positions,
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even necessarily, especially when he's giving a critique. How significant
do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Man, don't you know, I don't want to come on
his radio station and all this these paid for all
these microphones and things like that, and saying he's a
couple of weeks later on that, but boy, missus.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Jones, a couple of weeks later, we've been talking out
on the break for a minute. So if you want
to look at it indirectly, you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't listen to us whatever.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Yeah, don't people that he pays talking about it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So it's it's been addressed. Yeah, didn't address it till today.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
But gap integrity, y'all, that's that's the name of the game.
When you run defense, look decent, your gap integrity was,
you know it was, it was solid. When your run
defense is horrific, nine times out of ten, it's somebody
playing hero ball and nine team ball, and the gap
integrity is not always there. Well, we've saw plenty times.
Me and Brian broke broke down a little bit of
film on it. I showed twice. It happened like seven is.
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Sometimes your end doesn't stay outside, you know. And what
happens is if your in don't stay outside, then running
back goes outside. If you're a linebacker, you don't feel
your b gap, nine times out of ten, somebody gonna
go right where you left off at Most of these
offensive run systems are based on the running backs eyes,
what they see in them finding grass. So not only
if you didn't hit your gap, but if you far
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missed your gap.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think it's something on film.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Also, I can't prove this because I ain't Sean Payne
number Brian do, and I'll let you know when ever
he texts us back. I think that they're seeing on
film that our edges get caught inside too much, and
that makes the linebackers get caught inside too much. So
what happened is these teams will confidently crack your linebacker
with a wide receiver and they'll just put your tight
end one on one with your edge guy and just
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pin everything to the inside. And that happens a whole bunch.
I wonder if that's something that these past few coaches
have saw from you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But Jerry ain't wrong.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Jerry and his people that's feeding him and the lynx
and information, he's absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Let me ask you this question real quick on that
before you go, Brian. When you talk about the defensive
ends getting caught inside, and I brought this up yesterday,
and I can't quite figure out which I think it is.
It's happening a lot, as you said, You see it
on film a ton, particularly with Sam Well. He crashes
down hard and takes that inside gap. It makes me
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wonder is he being coached and is it his responsibility
to take that inside gap, in which case, really it's
not him that's the problem. The problem is the linebacker
again is not scraping and getting to that outside gap
where that is his responsibility. Which do you think it is.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
It's called the run blitz and what it is is Sam.
And we've talked about this before. If we remember when
Tank Lawrence, remember how instinctual Tank would be Abu to
be third and three and you're playing the Seahawks and
all of a sudden he's reading formation and he sees
wing to his side and he's thinking like, Okay, they're
coming this way. I'm gonna go hard inside charge and
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see if I can make a play. I think Sam
is doing it because Sam is told that, Hey, we're
going to run blitz this this this particular play and
when you go down and like Vox was talking about it,
and I thought, very well, the where the fills come in,
where it's a A gap, it's an A gap charge,
it's a B gap fill, it's a C gap fill.
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And there's been times where we've seen and again watch
and I broke it down this morning where you do
see herd inside charge and then you don't see Murray
get over the top or you don't see James get
over the top. So the design is your The whole
idea is to replace all the gaps. So if you
have a guy playing sea gap going to a gap.
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Now you've got to replace the B gap and the
sea gap all in the defense to make it make
it a solid front. Dallas hasn't been able to get that.
You know, they've had unfortunately, they've had plays where all
of a sudden, a guys, say, like an outstanding run
defender like Kenny Clark is on the ground.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He's on the ground.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Now guard's up on the linebacker, so the linebacker can't.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Get over to make a fill. So now you have an.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Inside charge, no fill, and then the other fill is
too wide, having to take two gaps. We saw that
with the situation with with Elam. You know, Elom is
in the in the play, but he's too wide to
make the play. The ball goes up inside of him.
So it's it's to answer your question, it's Sam being
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told to play, but they're getting hurt when it comes
to the execution of actually where everybody needs to fit
to make the run be defended.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Also to his ways, you can actually tell the very
first player of the game, Marsha and kneeling when you
saw him, he didn't immediately go inside like he was
outside a little bit and tight end took him inside,
like like that's that's one of us to tell. Yeah,
And then there's another way to tell, you know, coaches
will tell you to cheat a little bit, like if
it's your job to get the B gap, then you
can kind of pre snap, just cheat to be gap,
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to just make it easy for you to get there.
It happened to Dante Foule. It ain't men called him out,
It just kind of happened a little bit. Dante Foulers
started off real wide. I'm like, man, why would you
start so wide if it's your job to be in
be gap. Turn Out it was in his job to
be in begap. I think he felt something. He felt
the run go away, so he crashed real, real hard,
and the running back went right off of him, and
it was a one on one with the Elam and
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Elam wasn't expecting to be the only one on the
island with the running back, and bad things happen after that.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
So your question about, you know, is this unusual or
this is unusual for Jerry to single out a specific
group position group. I did find it interesting one. I'm
okay with him doing that. That's totally fine. We've been
talking about the linebacker position. I like the accountability.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Okay, they're saying what we're saying, you know, not that
they're not, but it's always better to hear it that
they are also kind of on the same page. But
I did find it interesting because after the game, Brian
Schottenheimer one of the things that he emphasized was the
culture of the team, and he's like, Okay, when you
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have adversity, that's good. It's good. It's what you do
with it. Though it's either gonna make your team or
break it. It's how you respond to it. And he
said something about the culture that he's building on the
team is that right now there wouldn't be anyone that
starts finger pointing and saying this person did that or
that person did that. And that's something that he was
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very proud of voicing and being that's when kind of
everything can start to go downhill when you start singling
out people. And the fact that then Jerry makes that
calm man, I just thought it was kind of, you know,
it's a contrast there. So I did find the kind
of interested in that sense.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
I think when you've listened to and this is one
of the advantages that I do have working with one
O five to three is that we have the opportunity
to talk to Jerry Jones and to Brian Schottenheimer and
to Stephen Jones. I think this week from all three
of those gentlemen has been a different tone. There has
been a different tone. It's not that, well, hey, we're okay,
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we just got to execute better and we've got to
No this week. This week was a I think it
was a real slap in the face, pardon the expression
of reality of what this football team probably is. And
there the tone of Jerry Jones now saying linebacker play has.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
To be better.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
And you know he could have he could very easily
said our defensive line play has to be better, our
secondary has to be better. But when you look at
overall some of the things that they've struggled with in
the running game, it has in the linebackers. I think
he gave you a very honest answer. But I think
overall the tone of your top, your coach, and your
executives has really changed. You know that that game was
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very eye opening and Stephen Jones is right, three four
and one is not going to get you into the playoffs.
I mean that is just not and you know, usually
it's like, oh, we just need to play better. You know,
well we're about no and you know, put our heads
in the sand kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I didn't.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
I didn't detect that in the last couple of days
when listening to them talk. I since there is a
sense of it is not good enough and we damn
need to do something about it right now.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's interesting, Brian, even though it's starting on Sunday.
I think we heard a different tone from coach Shoddy
after the game. It didn't feel like what you typically
hear from coaches that you know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yeah, it was there was we'll get on the practice
field and well.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah we got for correct our mistake. It will be better.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
It wasn't that. It was, hey, this ain't good enough.
We got to fix it, and there will be changes.
And my question becomes like, I know he said, you
know there will be changes and kind of alluded to
after the bye, but my question is like, what kind
of changes could even be made that really at this
point would give you faith that the defense can be better.
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I mean, I know you're gonna get some players back,
but as I said yesterday, I don't trust you today. Okay, good,
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Let me just tell you, just tell you if you
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They gonna drain you. They will drain you. Sunday, I
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Speaker 8 (16:58):
If you feel like that, Stephen Jones regrets saying that
the defense was fixed when they made the trade for
Micah the run defense was fixed.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Man, they all regretting that stuff. Of course, he said
it just like that. Boy, I bet they watched Packers games.
They just got to shake their head and just imagine
and play a good old game.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Or what if you get it wrong, then where did
they Where did they get it wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Where did they get it wrong?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I think they got it wrong thinking that Kenny Clark
was like the one piece that was gonna, you know,
fix it like in that kind of way. And Brian,
what we've learned is that this defense is so bad
as a whole. Even if your run defense is solid,
then team will still find a way to throw the
ball against you. You know, if you do deal with the
with the pass, then then we'll just running around and
we'll just do it like that. Brian, I think this
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uh now where they still have a little hope. Stephen
maybe spoke a little early shouts out of brother Steve,
me and Himku. I think you know where they may
have spoke a little too soon. The run defense may
not be better this year, you crack, because the run defense.
For me, this is a true blue. The run defense
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may not be good this year, but after they trade
or they draft some kids or whatever come up here,
then they'll be like, well, well I never told y'all
that the run is gonna be good this year, but
the run's good next year with Kendy Clark and draft
picks or Kenny Clark and some miscellaneous can't do we
can go trade for the coming of the run defense.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
How about you amber this Stephen Jones, you think he
regrets saying that he felt that the run defense was
fixed when they made that trade.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
It didn't prove for a little bit. We saw a
little bit of improvement there. But I think I think
that regardless of the trade and I'm gonna go further
beyond just the run defense. I think the defense would
be exactly what it is right now. Maybe not exactly
the same obviously if you have a pass rusher, but
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at the same time, you I truly feel you would
be getting similar results as to what you are having
right now. And I hate criticizing coaches and certain players
because you develop a certain type of relationship, so it
makes it difficult for you to come on here, get
on the mic and then start talking about their job
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and how bad they're doing and this and that. So
I hate that. But at the same time, I think
it goes beyond the player's ability. We keep talking. Yes,
it is a combination there, but it comes back to
coaching and what is currently happening with the defensive coordinator.
And I don't want to say, oh, pack your bags
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and leave.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They don't know me.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I'll say it, man, if you if you don't figure
something out, it's happening fast.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
It's just it's just unfortunate that it's going to this
point of the season so far along to where you
haven't actually seen true improvement or some sense of hope.
We saw it.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What was it?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Who did we play the Was it the Panthers two
weeks ago? No, watch Washington. We saw there and there
was a little bit of hope that you started feeling,
but you knew you had to see it happen back,
you know, back to back weeks and have some kind
of consistency there. But not enough has happened to where
you think, yeah, that trade made any difference.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Derek, how much better does this defense have to be?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
And how fast before we start to feel better about
about flues?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Two more stops a game, two more stops again, two
more stops again?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Like it is that enough to make you go, all right, Louis,
next year we're gonna run it back.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I'm just this, you know.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
To me, That's why I think I'm still really gung
ho about making a trade, because I'm interested in finding
a way give this offense two more possessions a game.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So give them two more possessions.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
A game and see what happens. And I think that
I think you'll be out of harm's way a lot more.
You know now, now teams are chasing, but teams have
thrown the ball well against you too, But I would
rather them try and you know, maybe you can. We've
seen them get pressure. You just haven't seen him get
the sacks. But I'm thinking two more stops a game
handing the ball back to your offense. It worked in
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the Commander's game. They got plenty of stops in the
Commander's game. And what Dallas do. They took advantage of
the offense, took advantage of that, put up a lot
of points. That's all I'm asking, Man, if you give
me two more good stops a game, I could be
okay with what this team's doing.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I honestly, I look at I'm a little bit
disheartened by what I've seen from the defense from the
standpoint that they're giving up chunk plays in the run
game and the pass game and against poor competition. That's
the part that really bothers me. And it's it's really honestly,
there's only been one team that didn't gash them like that,
and they had some moments too, and that was Washington.
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And so you basically the only team that hasn't gassed
you to that level had no players. Yeah, they were
down their top three wide receivers and and so I I, yes,
I look at it, and I'm like, I've gotten to
point now, I'm not sure that you go out and
get me that stud player that we've been talking so
much about on this show. Sure, I don't know that
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it's going to change a ton because I would say right.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Now, change going back to the years the next year, yes, yes,
And by the way, if you get the right back
to your original question, I think Kenny Clark may be
more valuable.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
To you if you get more players in this defense.
I just think right now, like there are so many problems,
and a lot of the problems I've been saying forever,
I still believe it reside with the linebacker position, and
because the linebackers are not being in that will expose
so much about your defense because they have responsibilities in
a run game and the past game and them being
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out of position can affect both in some very profound ways.
We've seen plays down field. We've seen plays downfield this
year where linebacker was out of position and play ends
up behind them and it's yeah, touchdown. So I think
right now the biggest challenge just the linebackers. But I
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think there's so many issues right now going on, I'm
not sure that one player solves it. And so for me,
that's where you do have to say, Okay, coaches, y'all
got to figure out a plan with this group of players,
because all the players can't be bad. You got to
figure out a plan now to use the skills of
the players that you have in order to make this
defense decent and workable.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I think even if Michael was here, things look weird
on defense.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah that's my point. Yeah, that's my point because guess
what he would be crashing down just like Sam Williams doing,
and that linebacker still wouldn't be feeling and you still
have that forty yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, and Barr Mike could be playing corner some.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, Coach Schottenheimer.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Coach Shottenheimer addressed changes with the lineup. Give me one
you'd like to make?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Lay Satagan.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Coach Schottenheimer addressed changes with the lineup, Give me one
you'd like to make?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Can I get a boys credit?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
While she's thinking, Sam and Fouler got list got less
reps this week? I thought that was important shut out
to them. It ain't helped nothing, but I did notice
that they had list reps and clowney and kneeling got more.
Still got to figure out a little bit, But that's
a change. So shouts out to them for.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Doing that right offense your defense, you can make it.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, there are two things. No, it's because I don't
want to say it. I don't want to say say.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
It, write it down, I say no, sign it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, it just.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Goes back to the previous question and what I was saying, like,
I don't like talking. No, I don't like talking about
people's jobs, you know. But if there was a change
to be made, there would be two. One I'm meet
the trades, like.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I don't want to say it, but I got two
more than what you asked for.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
It don't One is a trade. I'm making a trade happen.
I don't care what you guys say about the pigs
next year and all that. I want someone that has
the experience already. I don't have time to develop players.
I need one that has the experience to come in
here and stay for here next year.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Okay, a word with you, please, No, I've.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Seen it happen already. Okay, enough, it's enough. And then
the other one, I would change a voice. I would
change a voice.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's a polite way to say it, boy, because I want.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
To hear some other different type of inspiration some other
different type of ideas. Let's brainstorm in there and just
hear it from somebody else. And that's all I would
say on that point.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
That's classy as hell, and that's a great way to
say fire today the Fens coordinator, I.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Don't want you to translate to reward.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
What I was.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I need a new voice.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Oh that's fantastic, Ahead Brow, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I think I'm changing the right tackle. I think I've
seen enough there. I think Nate Thomas. I think Thomas
might give me a little bit better, a little bit
better production consistently, because I will say this, I thought
at least and maybe it may take a little while
for them to get back to it. The right side
of the offensive line earlier in the year, I felt
like was giving you a really good push in the
(26:13):
run game. This last game that wasn't happening. And maybe
it was the opponent. Maybe it was going to take
a while for Bookering him to get back on the
same page. But I just feel like that was the
part of Steele's game that I actually was appreciating, was
he was giving me something in the run game. If
this last game is an indication of where we're going
to be then I would say, let's let's get Nate
(26:35):
out there. Maybe you can get a little bit more
out of one or the other. But right now, I
just feel like that's that's the weakest link in my
opinion on the offensive line right now, outside of getting
your center back. When you get your center back, I
think that'll shure that up a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Brian, I think we should find a new Green Die guy.
I think we should find a new Green Die guy.
And if the biggest problem is communication, then you can
kind of go to the nucleus of the defense. I
will say, which is our Green guy. I'm just man
as nice as I can say it. Man, you know
he fantastic Washington game. You had a fantastic Giants game,
but you've had more. You know, if you have like
(27:10):
a great game and maybe like a cool to average
or a bad game, I think there's a you know,
you can I can hang around and I can hang
with you, I can defend you publicly. But if you
have like a fantastic game and the worst game I've
ever seen and another worst game I've ever seen, then
maybe there needs to be changes at Green Doyck guy,
what we often see is they'll rotate linebackers out, but
(27:30):
they'll rotate the opposite guys, but they'll keep green Dock
guy in there. I'm trying to be nice like Ambar,
but but but they'll keep green Dock Guy.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I'm in my head right now, I'm like anything, you
ain't say nothing.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I said it. I think this team could benefit. I
think Mary's lee if I would be a fantastic green
dock guy. It may not be the best linebacker that
you have right now, but he is smart. And if
your biggest problem is communication, as long as you run
in the right direction, you may overrun it. But as
long as you run in the right direction and you
can at least get everybody else on the same and
maybe call some things out, I think that'll be a
(28:02):
little bit of a benefit.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Can I say some real quick and this is to
the point that you were making Amber, I would say
even a better way to look at that is before
you would say because I don't love the idea of
changing the actual person in season. I don't think good
things typically come from that. What I would say might
be a better option is if I were, if I
were the head coach, maybe I would go to him,
and I would say, look, man, I'm not saying the
(28:24):
scheme don't work. I'm saying the scheme isn't working with
this set of players. What I need you to do
in the bye week is I need you to come
up with a set of plays. And maybe it's not
a different scheme, but I need you to figure out
the plays in that scheme that best fit these players.
If you keep asking this defensive end to crash down,
(28:44):
you want your linebackers scrape part to the outside, and
they're not doing it effectively. Do something different. Let the
defensive end stay outside and have outside contained versus having
him crash down. Maybe that's a better way to do it.
I would just say, don't change the say I need
you to flip We've tried it for nine weeks. At
that point, if it ain't working, it ain't working. It's
(29:06):
time to say it ain't working, try something different. That's
where I would be making the big changes is change
change the script. Like whatever you're doing is not working.
You need to flip the script and do something very
different that these players actually can execute, because right now
you're not gonna get new linebackers Overstone's coming back but
you're not gonna change all the linebackers, so you may
want to ask them to do something different because what
(29:26):
you're asking them, they're just not capable of doing this.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's a sad part.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Coach gonna look at you and be like, Coach, I
don't have plays that ask the ends to crash. They
supposed to be outside. He just crash anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Well, I will tell you this if that's the case,
because that was my dilemma earlier in the week when
I was saying that as you said, like seven eight plays,
the same thing was happening. If you got a player
that on seven or eight plays, well, is doing something
that you've told him specifically don't do this? Why is
he still playing? And that's what makes me think this
is not him just freelancing. If he's doing it. And
(29:59):
by the way, this is the first game we've seen
this throughout the year, because I remember mentioning it to
Nick this last game as we were sitting in the
press box, I was like, have you noticed every time
to get in goshed like Sam's crashing hard to the inside.
I'm like, he cannot be doing this over all these
weeks just on his own and nobody has said Sam.
If you continue to do this, you won't be playing.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Sam got mad on the internet. But we ain't gonna
tell no lies about your brother. If you get cracked,
the technique is to cross face because if they cracking you,
they run on the other side of that crack. Ain't
nothing wrong with getting cracked because sometimes you don't see
the crack. Donvinezerak, who does it real well, if you
crack him, he'll instantly cross face and he'll get back
in the fight. You can't get cracked all the way
(30:39):
to the other sea gap. I ain't made him no
lives about nobody. I could do a film session me
and ambar Win an Emmy on it. I ain't lyning
about nobody. It's the small technical things. You can't run
around with your eyes closed. You gotta find the ball
carry Sometimes it looked like your edge rush are running
around with their eyes closed, or run down the middle
people with their eyes closed.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
You can't win like that.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Here's my last hot take. I know we got to
go to break though, but.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh trust me, Darren, I go.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
This is everything that everybody's saying is absolutely true. But
there's a bigger, fundamental problem. Was that it's the interview
process of hiring your coaches is really well, sure, and
I say this in this way, and it's unfortunate the
last three years you've had three different coordinators. We've talked
about that, We've talked about the style of players, you
(31:26):
have the players that are currently on the roster and stuff.
But if you have a team that is really good
in one specific area or is built in one specific area,
and you feel like, listen, we can't completely overhaul the
team just for this coach. It's about the hiring of
the coach. It's about the process of knowing when you're
going to hire. Yeah, they have familiarity to the front office.
(31:47):
They have familiarity with Matti Refluce. Matti Refluse is a
good coordinator. He has been in the past. The problem is, though,
if you have a team that's been built a certain
way and then you try to say, Okay, we're going
to bring this guy in because we have some familiarity
with him. And this is what's unfortunate about with Shaddy
as a first year head coach. You know, maybe he
(32:07):
had an idea of who he wanted to bring in offensively,
but maybe he didn't have an idea what he wanted
to do defensively, and maybe he didn't have enough time
to really think about it, but.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Clayton Adams was one of the when.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
You when you start to think about like, okay, well
we have familiarity with Matti Eberflus as a coach, Well,
what's his scheme, what does he like to do, how
does he like to play? Well, let's look at the
next thing. Is our team built in a way currently
to play that type of.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Scheme where the defensive I think.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
That I think that you have to It's it's really
it's bigger than that. It's bigger than guys coming down
and run a linebacker scraping and all that. You have
a team that was built a certain way for certain coaches.
It's not built for this current coordinator to be that way.
And that's why when Derek has to ask the head
coach to walk in there and say, hey, come up
(33:01):
with three things. Come up with three things, the coordinator
look at him and say like, hey, I've been doing
this a long time.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You know if we.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Had players that could do this, That's that's the biggest
disconnect to me that if you want to, if you
want to talk about Dallas Cowboys defensive football issues, it's
you have players that don't fit with this cord.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Well, does that fall under the experience of like, again,
remembering this as far as year year one, you've had a.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Lot of injuries though too, they've had a lot of injuries,
but they but you have a team that you know,
you had a team that was built with that. You
had Dan Quinn players, you got Mike Zimber players. You've
got players, and now you've got a scheme in because
you went and hired a coach. I think because you
had a first year head coach. You had a guy
that probably didn't have a whole lot of time putting
(33:50):
together a staff. And so to me, that's the number
one fundamental issue right now you have players that are
built to play a different way and until you get
players that play but then.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Again, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Oh, we're all getting mad at the coordinator and rightfully, so, okay,
now we get rid of the coordinator. Okay, now that's
the fourth coordinator that we're gonna have. And do we
have players that are built for how it's his scheme? See,
this is where the attention to detail when it comes
to hiring coaches is so important because you look at
teams like the Ravens and others that when they lose
(34:24):
a coach, they have the next one ready that knows
the scheme and knows how to play the scheme and
knows the players. They have somebody ready to go. You
don't have that luxury here right now, and I think
you're paying for it.
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Speaker 4 (37:32):
Welcome back. It is the final segment of the break
Laugh from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're
gonna take some phone calls here in the final segment,
we got a call from Brian out in Kansas City. Brian,
what up?
Speaker 13 (37:44):
Good morning ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
What's that big?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Don't hey?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
So my question is really a from a pro scouting
point of view, and I'm not against moving Lea Fou
to Begreen dot guy, but from the outside, is it
realistic in the middle of the season to bring in
a Mike linebacker, give him the green dot and say, hey, Tiger,
go get them. You know, I'm just curious, and I'm
(38:10):
not talking about the oddball guy like Luke Kinkley or
a Sean Lee. We know that you give that guy
two weeks, you'll have the whole defense figured out and
be teaching everybody else. But from a pro scouting point
of view, is it realistic for most people to bring
him in mid season? Or is edge defender? Are we
kind of boxed into edge defenders kind of the only
(38:32):
thing you can do at this point in the season.
And I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Fantastic question, man.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I think that's that's something that you have to think about,
Like these Mike linebackers are really as good as they
know what's happening. Well, boy, this is the rare situation
of the Cowboys that you have yourself in. It's just
like the linebackers you have right now, just all over
the place. So if you have a linebacker that he
may not know everything about this system, but he's simply
just not just not all over the place, and you know,
(38:59):
maybe he can just read keys a little bit better.
You're just trying to get a little better. And lucky
for us it's still October now. Then maybe he'll know
the system by November December when you're really trying to
make this run.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Yeah. I think there's certain linebackers and I mean, and
I know it probably is not against I mean, we
saw Roquan Smith. Did you traded him from the Bears?
And I know Roquan Smith is is a is a
rare player that way, But I think there's some linebackers
that you could absolutely bring in here and and and
and they can make a difference right off the jump.
I know, uh, we can't really talk about names because
(39:33):
they're still on. But there's there's a couple that I've
looked at that I know, uh that if they were
given it, if you traded something for them and brought
them in, I think you can immediately plug them in
and there and they're not named Roquan Smith or anything
like that.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Plush Cover three at the Dallas Cowboys is just like
Cover three at nat Just High School.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
You want to expound on that, Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Cover three is basically uh to do was in the
flat and three dudes deep. However you decide to work
that out. It could be two corners and one free deep.
It could be a free and a strong and a
corner deep. As long as it is they got configuration,
you got it, and two guys in the flat got
had that good stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Let's get a call from Carmine in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
What's up, Hey, how you doing? I got I have
a quick question, but I got to tell a story
real fast for three seconds.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Well got two seconds, all.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Right, So WoT this is out for you. I'm actually
in New Jersey and I just wanted to let you
know in my meetings. When we have a meeting, I
start out by saying, Man, yes, serious, So just for
the note of it, the whole New Jersey says man.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Now that's all your brother, what you got for?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yes, sir, all right. My question is, Brian, you just
said a couple of seconds ago about the player personnel,
which I agree, But don't you think good coach would
adapt to the coaching style of the players.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Well, I think that's what I'm saying. These coaches are
a lot of them. I know Mike Zimmer, Bill Parcells
allowed him to coach this four to three defense for
Bill's first year and then but he told Mike, he goes,
if you're still going to stay around, you're gonna have
to learn how to coach at three four, And Mike
did to the to Mike's credit, and Mike learned that way.
But I think a lot of it has to do
when you're when you're a brand new coach on a staff. Now,
(41:27):
Matt's been around a long time and every and Matt
has his ways of coaching three coaching. I think there's things. Yeah,
you have to absolutely adapt, but this mean this to
me seems like they haven't adapted well. Enough, and if
there's not a willingness to do that, then Matt was
the wrong hire. You have to have that willingness to
be able to adapt. But to me, this just goes
(41:49):
back to three coordinators in three years. I think you're
asking a lot of I think you're asking a lot
of the coordinator. I think you're asking a lot of
the players. But again, the front off is like, you know,
if we keep having turnovers at coordinator, doesn't it doesn't it?
I think they learned their lesson. Make sure that you
have the coordinator that can can currently coach the style
(42:09):
of play that your players are good at. That takes
a lot of that. Well, you need to adapt. That's
that's a big thing for a coach that's been doing
this for a long time.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Well, you know one of the things that I would
think about Brian there you mentioned Zimmer. I think when
you hire an experienced and a really good defensive coordinator,
I think there is an expectation that that guy can
adapt to the players that they have. Because if you
look at Zimmer last year, it didn't start off Rosie,
he said he wish he would have done to his
own way. He said, he goes I wish I would have.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
Done what I wanted to do earlier instead of try
and play to the strengths.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
What I got. But I guess my point though, is
with an experienced defensive coordinator, whatever you start off doing,
I think there's an expectation that you have the ability
to be able to adapt as the season wears on
to whatever you need to do, whether that is do
more of this, more of that, more of that, your experience,
you're good at it, figure it out. That's where again
I get back to that's where I would challenge if
(43:06):
I'm the head coach, I would can't challenge ibra Flus
at this point to say it's not working. What you're saying,
what you're wanting them to do is not working. Now
it's time for you to figure out how to adapt.
And I think that's where that's the difference between hiring
a guy who's had success in the NFL as a
defensive coordinator and has been a good defensive coordinator and
a guy that's the first time defensive coordinator. You may
(43:28):
have had that faith in them to be able to adapt.
I would suggest you should be able to have that
kind of faith in an experienced, high quality defensive coordinator,
and that's where I would challenge him to do that well.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Also, when you talk about the players, and I know
a lot of people want to discuss, oh, well, you
don't have the talent, you don't have the talent on
the field, And to that, I would say, there are
players are our talent and we've mentioned it here before,
we've seen them play at a higher level. But at
the same time, I find it very hard to believe
that even with backup players, that they're unable to play
(44:02):
at a certain level. I mean, there's a reason why
you're in the NFL backup or not backup. You're in
here because you're trusted to have the abilities or capabilities
for you to be able to do something at least
I'm not saying be groundbreaking and start, you know, getting
interceptions every time, turnovers and all that, but at least
to be able to cover a guy, be close enough
(44:24):
nowhere to go know what's happening. The amount of time
we're seeing games and that someone is completely open, it's
like what in the world, Like, what is happening? What
is happening? So I think there's something to be said
with the lack of communication and people knowing exactly where
they should be and who's doing what, who's doing what
job and all that. So all of that to me
(44:45):
personally comes down to the leader in that room.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
All Right, we appreciate you guys, join us. We go
back tomorrow. We don't that was only who we had
for now. I'm sure if we stayed on the line
we might get some more. That's it. That's it. That's
a wrap. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll jump in into
the Cardinals and get on their offense versus the Dallas defense.
Till then, for Vach Lombardi blind brought us Narregarci. I'm
Derek Eaglton. This has been The Break live on Dallas
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