Cowboys Break: Deal Making

On today’s episode of Cowboys Break, Derek Eagleton, Nick Harris and Tommy Yarrish discuss Micah Parsons’ contract negotiations from both sides of the deal, how they can get to the finish line, and some observations from recent camp practices.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a Break?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yes?

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Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Absolutely?

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Ready for a break?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Yeah, and so much for that.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 6 (00:38):
It is Tuesday, August fifth, twenty twenty five, season twenty one,
episode number twenty. Welcome to the latest edition of The
breakwill live from Oxnard, California. I don't even know what
day it is at this point into camp. I know
we're more than halfway through. I know that this is
next to the last episode that we will do here
live from Camp on The Break. We got to show
again on Thursday, and then I know most of my crew,

(01:01):
which my normal crew isn't even here today, but most
of them will be back in Dallas. They will have
shows back in Dallas on Monday and Wednesday of next week.
So this is our next to last show we'll do
out here in knox Start and I get to be
joined by two people I really respect that are doing
an awesome job covering this team throughout training camp. We've
got Tommy yarsh and we've got Nick Harris.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Welcome to the show, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Gus appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:23):
So it's gonna be back an old stopping grounds.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah, Nick's been doing other things, but he always stays
close to us, so we figured we pulled him in
since Brian's out and since Watches out and Amber obviously
out today not feeling great.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
But that being said, where I want to start.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
We haven't you have obviously hadn't been on the air
with us throughout camp, but our show hasn't actually happened
since everything started with the whole Micah requesting a trade,
And so we're gonna spend a little time talking about
Micah and more talking about it from the standpoint of
a bigger picture look. And I want to talk to
you guys about your your level of concern with regards

(02:01):
to a lot of different things that are floating around this.
I want to start first though with obviously Michael makes
the trade requests. Jerry then talks to the media I
think that was on Saturday following practice, and a couple
of quotes that he had that stood out to me.
The first one was he said, this is a negotiation.
Does it blow me up? Somebody asked, look trade me.
That's just not a flare sign for me at all

(02:23):
in any way. And then he concluded, don't lose any
sleep over it. That's one thing I would say for
our fans. Don't lose any sleep. What were your thoughts
on Jerry's response, and you guys were both there when
he talked to the media, and it actually went on
for quite a while, what were your thoughts on the
different things he had to say about the whole request.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
Yeah, mostly calculated for sure, and rightfully so. He sees
as as being in the middle of the negotiation.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
I think the key point from Jerry's rhetoric on Saturday
was that he sees this as closer to the finish
line than I think Michael Parsons does. He looks back
at that conversation that they had back in March that
both sides have said has happened, and I think he
sees a finish line in sight, whereas Michael Parsons doesn't
see a starting line insight. So I think there's two
different views of what exactly happened back in March. And

(03:12):
you know, Michael Parsons wants to get the agent involved rightfully,
so I mean it is the guy that he has
hired at the end of the day. But you know,
Jerry Jones, I think, is trying to maneuver it in
a way where you know, he sees it as closer
to the finish line than Michael Parsons does. He wants
to go ahead and push across and get it done.
So you saw the maneuvering, and you saw the calculated
a speak from Jerry Jones on Saturday, and you know,

(03:34):
talking about hey to the fans, don't lose any sleep
over this. I think that's him in his mind understanding like, hey,
eventually we are going to pay this guy, but it
has to come at the time that he wants, and
most likely at the price point that he wants.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
As well, and at the term points that he wants too, right.
I think that's an important part to consider in all this.
But look, I don't think there is a high level
of concern amongst Jerry Jones, amongst the Cowboys organization. I
think this is something that we'll get done. But I
think eventually Fellas what has to happen is one side
has got to give up, right like one side's got

(04:07):
to let up here, because Jerry Jones views this as
we had a deal in March. Why should I change
our terms? Why should I change our terms? Michael Parsons
sees it as okay, we talked about it. I didn't
think that this was a negotiation. So now I'm gonna
get my agent involved. And you know I said this
earlier today on the fan. Jerry Jones has done plenty
of negotiations. Michael Parsons has negotiated in the I guess

(04:29):
they'd started negotiating recently. But this is what I mean
to say is the Cowboys have negotiated plenty of deals.
They know that agents get involved. It's not a new
thing with them. They've negotiated with David mulligeda before, and
they respect David Mulligedta. So I don't think it's the
most shocking thing in the world for Michael Parsons.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
To ask for the agent to get involved.

Speaker 8 (04:47):
I think because it is such a high price tag
that's going to be paid, Jerry Jones is trying to
just get this done and get this over with because
with Mullageda, he does a really good job of getting
his clients every penny that they can get, especially with
their guaranteed money. So that might be why there's some
hesitancy to get these conversations going and so, but eventually
somebody's got to give in.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
First.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
My question is if they both had a resemblance of
agreement on terms back in March, right, and Michael was like, Hey,
just reach out to my agent so we can get
across the finish line, why not do it, you know?
And that's that's my question I've had throughout this whole instance.
And it's like, you know, that money that the agent
takes that doesn't come out of Jerry's pocket, that comes
out of Micah's pocket. So it's you know, what exactly

(05:30):
is the hold up there and wanting to negotiate with
the agent?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (05:33):
You know, when he does have that conversation with David,
as he expect to have, you know, a little bit
different agreement on terms, different agreement on money, guarantees, things
of that nature. I mean, sure, there's probably little you know,
hitches here and there, but you know, if the player
and the team agreed on most of these parameters, there's
not a whole lot that the agent can really sway
that will be detrimental towards you know, salary cap involvement

(05:53):
or anything in future tense. I mean maybe some void
year type situations, but you know, at the end of
the day, that would help the team.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
So I don't know.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
The question I have is why didn't he call the
agent when they were so close to the Well, that's.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
The part I'm a little confused done because the way
I understand, and this is the interesting part here is
you got kind of two different stories. You got what
Jerry's saying and you got what Mike is saying. The
parts that match up are they had a conversation in March.
Jerry says that they that they did have an agreement
or it was close. They had a pretty much they

(06:26):
agreed on the terms of the deal, and there was
an offer on the table. At that point, Micah does
say his agent mentioned, hey, maybe we ought to wait.
Maybe the timing is not right for us to do
a deal. Maybe we should wait for these other things
to happen. That's where the story kind of diverges, because
Micah says he told his folks, Hey, no, I just

(06:46):
want to go ahead and get the deal done.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Jerry says they took the deal off the table.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
So that's where I'm a little confused on what exactly
happened at the point when there was a deal on
the table, because I think both have acknowledged that at
some point there was some base seek ramifications out there,
this is what we think the deal's gonna be. It
just seems like at some point it all fizzled away.
And who I don't know why that happened.

Speaker 8 (07:07):
I think it might be because sorry, I'm gonna cut you off.
It might be just because David Mulligetta looks at the
deal that they came to and says, hey, we can
get you more than this, Like, hey, we can get
you more money. You shouldn't take this deal. I think
that's what it is. And I think that that's the
hold up is. You know, when Michaeh. Parsons and Jerry
Jones came to whatever agreement they were, Michael Parsons goes
back to.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
David mulligan and he's like, hold hold on, we can
wait here.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
And they've made it clear that they were waiting for
some of the other pass rushers who are up this
cycle to get paid, like TJ. Watt Miles Garrett. So
now that forty one million a year is the number
set by TJ. Watt, who most recently signed his deal.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Go all right, let me ask you this question, though.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
If that's the case, that doesn't match up with what
Micah has said, because Micah said in his in his
well crafted statement, he said, Hey, at the point when
I was told that by my agent, I was like, no,
I just want to go ahead and get the deal done.
So if he was just like, let's just go ahead
and get the deal done and not wait for those
other things, then why if that's the case, why were
they back in a situation where they pushed the where

(08:02):
they rescinded the deal.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
I will say one thing about the MICA's statement. There
are already some conflicting comments that he made in that
statement based on comments that he's made in the past,
one being that he him and David Moulligetta trying to
negotiate last offseason. If you go back to some of
the comments that he made last offseason, though, he said
something in September where he was like, yeah, you know,
I'm going to put out a really good year. I'm
comfortable with doing that, and then that very same day,

(08:27):
Stephen Jones went on the fan and said, Mike hah
made a conscientious decision to wait to negotiate until after
the year. Mike never contended that, and yet in that
statement he said, look, we've been trying to get a
deal done since last offseason, so you know, is there
some comments being made by both sides that could benefit
them in this current scenario.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It is negotiation and that's.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Where this one specifically gets a little bit weird for
us and how we cover it, because you know, all
we can try to do is stick to the facts.
But the facts are really hard to come by in
this case because you have one side saying one thing,
the other side saying another thing, and there's very few
corroborated comments. The only few corroborated comments that you can
find are they had a meeting in March, an offer
was talked about, Parameters were mostly agreed upon, but there

(09:07):
was no offer sheet, there was nothing that was put
in stone, and they kind of let it sit for
a little while, and now here we are and the
agent has not been reached out to. So you know,
those are corroborated statements that we can take from both sides,
but again, they're hard to come by in this case.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
And this is one of those situations too where I
don't know that I think that anybody is necessarily wrong,
Like this is how negotiations go. And that's the point
I think Jerry was trying to make is I've been
through a lot of these, Especially when you're talking about
really big money, there's going to be a negotiating period
where it's gonna get sometimes a little bit uncomfortable because
both sides are jockeying for position, trying to create leverage

(09:40):
for themselves. That's what any negotiation is. You want to
get as much leverage as possible and the most leverage
you can. And then once you have the leverage you
think you're going to be able to get, then that
drives you to be able to make a deal that's
comfortable for both people because they know kind of where
the leverage points are.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Right.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Yeah, and you did it with Tommy when he came
to you for thirty two million dollars per year after
first rookie season. I mean, you'll understand both sides of
the I've done this before.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
I did it with you.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
This is where I'm just like I don't think that
this is as big a deal as everyone thinks it is,
or at least how it's being portrayed.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
We were just we were in a similar situation last year. Guys.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
You know, We've been in similar situations over the years.
I've seen many situations. You can go back to even
before I was with the Cowboys back in the day
in the nineties with EMMTT Smith, like this is this
happens And right now the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Aren't the only team dealing with it in the NFL.
There are other teams.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Who also have star players who are saying, either give
me the deal I want or trade me, and and
their organizations are in a similar but where they're like, yeah,
we're not looking to necessarily trade you. We'll figure this out.
And I just think that's a part of the negotiation.
You do what you have to do. Miles Garrett did
it earlier this offseason. He got the deal he wanted,
and now he loves Cleveland and he's back, right. So
I just think it's a lot more than maybe what

(10:54):
everybody thinks it might be.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
Yeah, and I think it's I think it's a product
of it being such a public request from Mike and
you know, the screenshot of the notes app is never
a good thing. You never went your player posting a
screenshot of the notes app. That goes all the way
back to high school players too. That's a that's that's
a key rule here. But I think it's it's a
lot more public. But if you think back to like
the z dispute, I think that was a little bit

(11:15):
more messire behind the scenes and I got done obviously, Yeah,
whereas I think you remember that exactly exactly and Jerry
shirt the shirt they sold shirts, man, So it just
it's part of it's it's fascinating. I think this one
is just I think Jerry may have met his match
here when it comes to being business savvy, because the
player is business savvy and he has the best agent
in football, and so you know there's going to be

(11:35):
there's gonna be positioning and maneuvering here by both sides.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
Well.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
The interesting part here too is I don't know that
the Cowboys have had a star player with this much
media savviness as as Mike, I mean, Micah has his
own podcast. He's been doing the media thing since he
got into the NFL. I think that's where it's a
little bit different. For me as an observer. It feels
a little different because he's using the media in a

(11:59):
way that I don't think most players have typically used it.
Certainly not star players have used the media.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
I think back to Dion, But again, the platform was
so much different in those days.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
But I mean, if we're.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Talking like pound for pound and era for era, I
mean you could you could look at Deon, but yeah,
if you've take into context the Bleacher Report stuff that
he does, and you know, being a president of Polacher
Reports video team, I mean, there's there's a lot more
that that Micah has here that he can get out
to the public.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, all right, we're going to take a break.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
When we come back, I actually want to take this
a little deeper. I want to go up from a
from a broader perspective and get your level of concern
as to how this whole thing may be affecting other
parameters or.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Other people, other groups outside.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Of just Micah and Jerry. We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 6 (15:23):
It is a second segment of The Break. Locke Fox
Star California. We're talking a little bit of Cowboys football here.
We're talking about Michael Parsons and the contract, and I
wanted to talk about it in a little bit of
a larger perspective. This question and I have a series
of questions. He're a few of them that are more
from the standpoint. I want to get your your level

(15:44):
of concern from one to ten, ten being the most
one being not concerned at all. The first one, how
concerned are you that Michael will no longer be a
part of this team going into this season next season,
that his long term future with the caw Boys will
be jeopardized by this contract negotiation.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
One. I think he's going to be a cowboy. I
have no concern about that. I give it a three.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
It's still pretty low, but you know, leaving some room
for foolery if you will, because there's been a lot
of it in this negotiation. I you know, Micah Parsons
on his side, they are hurt by certain comments that
have been made and bytiation. They are they are and
it's not a bluff.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
Is it a bluff to get the negotiation and started,
for sure? But I don't think it's a bluff necessarily
that they feel the type of way.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Now, when you say, when you say his his, is
it Micah that you think feels that way or do
you think it's representative?

Speaker 7 (16:38):
I mean that's it starts with Micah, but I mean
it's his groups as a whole. But I agree that
this gets done. I'm mostly with Tommy here. I just
put it a couple of points higher just because I think,
you know, even when this deal gets done, a conversation
is going to have to be had.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
How do you how do you think that reconciles itself?
Is Is it as simple as he gets the money
and all of a sudden he is feelings feel a
lot better like that that has a way of kind
of being the the ointment for your feeling.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Forty million dollars makes conversations a lot more fun.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I think.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
I think about Cede Lamb's relationship with ownership of the moment,
and we kind of got a glimpse of that last
week when he was talking about the Michael Parsons situation,
and you could tell that ced definitely has some left
over feelings from how his negotiation went last offseason, But like,
it doesn't matter for him right now. I mean, it
don't matter in four years when he has to renegotiate.
But Jerry Jones is not gonna get in his way
for four years. So I do you have to have

(17:28):
a positive relationship with ownership to play for a team?
I don't think necessarily so. But given Michael Parsons and
Jerry Jones' relationship is a little bit more, you know,
developed than his ever was. With Ceede Lamb talking about ownership,
then maybe they have a conversation at the end of
all this. But I don't think he necessarily have to
have a great relationship with ownership to play for a team.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's just me though, Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
But you know, the interesting part about that is it's
very very rare that you hear a former Cowboys player
that doesn't love Jerry. Yeah, like it's That's always been
the interesting thing to me about this is they get
into these really tough negotiations with their players. I mean,
like they go all in negotiating, but for some reason
it doesn't end up being a long term I can't

(18:10):
stand that guy, you know, because it could become that,
as you said, if there are feelings that are hurt,
it certainly could become that. But you just don't hear that.
And typically you wouldn't expect to hear it while players
here because obviously he's still here. But you would think
after they retire, after they move on to another team,
you would hear those things. And it's just very very
rare you hear that.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
I think the Cowboys organization as a whole, and it
starts with the Jones family, has a really good reputation
of taking care of their guys. And being there for
their guys and having each other's backs. And you know,
you look at some of the deals that they've negotiated
here recently, CD and Dak and Trayvon Diggs. I mean,
when you're getting life changing money like that, and sometimes
when Jerry Jones pays a little bit more than what's

(18:48):
already at the top of the market, then you know
that's something you appreciate. And like I said, forty plus
million dollars makes anybody happy, right, Those conversations get a
lot easier, and it's a lot easier to build back
up and to positive spirits and to build back up
into a positive relationship. So you know, you give them
credit for that. Look, they take care of their guys.
And Jerry Jones said it the other day. You know
he's not afraid to make large financial commitments and reward

(19:10):
his players for performing well. And so I think, you know,
guys from the past and the present appreciate that. And
not to say that there's other ways.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
You can handle it.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
I think that there are a lot of situations where
they can handle these negotiations differently, but at the end
of the day, getting their deals done and having their
best interests in mind is something that I think the
Cowboys do for the most part pretty well.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Let's move on.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
On a scale of one to ten, how concerned are
you about how this affects other players in the locker room.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
I give that about a two. I think there's a
lot of support in that locker room where I know
there's a lot of support for in that locker room
for Michael Parsons, And you know, if there was not
support for the players, and I might have a little
bit more concern.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Now.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
Granted, Micah has taken a step forward in leadership, but
I don't think it's necessarily been received one by the
locker room. I'm not saying that necessarily, but I think
there are enough get in his corner in that locker
room that want to see him come out on top
of this situation that I don't see it affecting the
team at the end of the day. And I think
I think Brian Shawn Humer's doone a really good job
of managing this first crisis that he's had to deal with.

(20:12):
It's a lot of adversity to battle in your first
training camp, and I think the culture emphasis that he
really put on in the offseason you're starting to see
the benefits of that now here in this situation.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, i'd go with too as well.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
You know, you look at the other day when all
this was coming out, and guys are changing their profile
pictures on social media to pictures of Michael Parsons. They've
got his back, And you know, leadership is different with
every player. I don't think Mike is necessarily going to
be a raw, raw leader all the time. I think
that he's got a unique sense of leadership and he
might not be the best leader on the defense, but

(20:44):
he's certainly one of, if not the best player. And
I think when you kind of lead, my example, like
he's done in the past, then naturally guys are going
to gravitate towards you, and other guys are going to
get opportunities because Michael Parsons is opening things up for them.
So ultimately, the locker room presence and how Nick's at
how much Brian Schoenheimer is emphasized culture and togetherness and bonding.

(21:04):
It's this is where you see it pay off, and
now we needed the question is does it pay off
on the field when things are tough, when guys are
are upset and guys are frustrated.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Is that when can they stay together when those things happen.
That's the next big question.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
So then you guys both both mentioned Shoddy. My question
was gonna be on a scale of one to ten,
how much do you think this affects Shoddy and his
culture that he's trying to create.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I'll pivot that question a little bit.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Do you think the situation has actually helped or hurt
the culture that he's trying to build.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
That's a good one. M I think I think there's
cases to be made for both sides. I can I
play that for a second. I think there is cases
being made for both sides. I'll say on the help side,
because you know, you see some guys rallying around Michael Parsons,
and you know that's definitely the culture he's trying to create.
But I think on the flip side, it's also creating
some individualism in the sense of Michael Parsons, because when

(21:59):
he comes out to practice, you know, everyone's looking at him,
everyone's seeing them, and everyone seen him not participate. So
it kind of tells all the other ninety guys in
the locker room like, hey, this is accepted, It's okay. Now,
granted it's Michael Parsons's a completely different situations. Denzel Dason
rolled out there with this hoodie on and no jersey
give fifty million. Yeah, he might be back at University
of Illinois next week. So I mean, it's it's good
with all, with all due respect to Denzel Decks and

(22:19):
he's had a great camp, But I think with I
think with with that, I mean, it definitely singles out guys,
and I don't think that's necessarily what Shatnhem's trying to build.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
Yeah, but you know, to that point, I think it's not.
This isn't a situation unique to the Cowboys, right. I
think there's the star players around the league with every
team that can kind of do those things. I'm not
saying that that negates your point, but at the same time,
you know, these I think to deep down, these.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Guys know the business side of things, right.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
And they and there's gonna be more support for him
in that sense, And I think there has been positive
support for Michael Parsons from this locker room in that sense.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm with Nick that you kind of it's it's a
little bit of both.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
I lean more towards it's a positive thing just because
of how we've seen players around him. And you know
the other day when Jerry Jones is talking to the
media and he Michael Parsons and Trayvon Diggs run to
the crowd and fire him up as they're channing we
want Micah or pay Micah or whatever it was that
they were saying. You know, that's that signs of a
good thing, that signs of a good brotherhood. And Brian

(23:16):
Schottenheimer seems to love it. I know that's what he's
all about. And he's all about his guys showing up
for one another and being there for one another because
he tries to be there for them. So you know,
I think it's a it's in more ways than none,
a good thing for this locker room. But obviously it
would be even better if this got done.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
All right, So now I'm gonna put you guys in
a position of trying to advise Micah and his group
and also advised Jerry. Let's start with Micah if you
could give him, okay, how you think this has to
play out going forward, What would you say is the
best case scenario for him and how he should handle
everything moving in the direction of trying to ultimately get

(23:55):
a deal.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Y'all are gonna hate this one, I feel like, but
if it gets to week one and there's no deal,
start holding out from games. I think that's that's probably
the best scenario because I think if he was holding
out from training camp, you probably see a little bit
more urgency. You wouldn't see as much traumatics. I think
that that have happened so far here in camp because
he's been here. You think back to last year, you
had both sides of the coin. You had CD holding

(24:16):
out and you had Dak that was here. Who got
the deal done first? Who had the less traumatics at
the end of the day. Well, I think there was
a case to be made that both sides had some dramatics.
But I think my advice to Mike A's side would be,
if there's not a deal by week one, hold out
from some games.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Let me real quick. Can I challenge you for a second?

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Absolutely, if you hold out, there is potentially, like what
I read the other day, the Cowboys obviously have a
deal in place with him right now. So there is
a deal, and I'm talking about a new deal, I'm
talking about his current deal. In addition, to that the
Cowboys could feasibly put a franchise tag on him next year,
and feasibly put a franchise tag on him the year

(24:51):
after that. I think the total adapt from what I read,
was roughly somewhere around seventy five million dollars. So if
you're saying you're gonna miss games, are you comfable with
the idea that you might not play for as much
as three years and you will basically allow seventy five
million dollars to just go down the drain for it
for a long term deal.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, And that's where you start to fector in Okay,
does the longevity of a holdout really make sense? But
I think whenever you start stacking games and let's say
it's three games and the defense you know they're not
getting to the quarterback and you see the impact that
Michael Parson's not being there has had, then I think
that increases urgency on both sides. Now you know you're
playing you're a dangerous game. There, don't get ver dangerous

(25:33):
playing a dangerous game, But how much more dangerous would
it be if you go out there in Week one,
you don't have a deal and you tear your a
seal on the first drive. That's that's where I feel
like seventy five million and gosh, two hundred of what
we're talking.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
About, that does that change as much because I think
I think we always talk about it like that.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I think there have been guys that.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Happened to Dak Prescott, like we saw the gruesome injury
at against the Giants and still ended up getting paid.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, I think in today's world.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
There used to be a time back in when I
was growing up back in the eighties, you're acl and
you're like career over. Yeah, Like, that's not the world
we necessarily live in anymore. And especially for a top
notch player like Micah. If Michael were to get hurt,
and I'm not pushing that on him at all, but
if he were to get hurt, my suspicion is he's
still gonna get paid by the Cowboys or by somebody
because he was just a great a talent for him

(26:18):
not to get paid. If Deshaun Watson can have to
sit out of football for X amount of years because
of whatever was going on and then make become, i
think at the time, the highest paid quarterback, and.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
To be fair, that's in the swindle, whole thing guarantee, right,
guaranteed money.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
But I'm saying, well, he needs one team out of
thirty two, right, Yeah, And so I guess I guess
what I'm The whole point I'm making is I don't
know that injuries, necessarily, in my book, kill your ability
if you're a top notch player to still be able
to get top notch money.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
I think there might be some injury PTSD here though,
specifically because you talk about when they did the deal
for Steel after he got injured, they did the deal
for Trayvon Diggs, and then he's been injured these last
couple of years. You go back to the opening press
conference and there was a little bit of remorse that
Jerry threw out there as far as paying those two guys.
So you know, coming off an injury, I would be
shocked if Michael Parsons gets as much money as he
could if he was not injured at the end of

(27:07):
the day.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Right.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
And that's why if you're Michael Parson's side, you're doing
everything you can to get this deal done now, and
everything you can to get this deal done before the season.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
So I'm with Nick. If it gets to dire straits.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
Then you start missing out on games, and it's gonna
those those pay missing those paychecks are gonna hurt. And
clearly and clearly by Michael Parsons being here, you can
tell that money.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Is important to him in some facet.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
I know that missing I think, what is it, fifty
thousand dollars a day is not the same as missing.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
A game check every week.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
But nonetheless, if money is that important, then you got
to get something done now. And what good no you
got you got to get something done now.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
I think when you start factoring in the endorsements and
the money that he makes off the field, I don't
think that hit will be as significant as it would
be to let's say, ceedee Lamb if you were to
hold out from games last year. He's gonna be all
right regardless. But but don't get me wrong, still a
game check I understand.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
It, right, And and then and that is building on
more money than he's made the last four years in
his rookie deal. So for him, that's much different now
for us, I mean, that's I'll do anything.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
I'll also tell you this, the other risks of that
if he goes that route. The other risk would be.
We've all seen it out here as a young man
by the name of Donovanezaraku who is certainly turning heads
out here and making place. I am not saying he's
he's about say Deaz Bryant. I'm not trying to say
he's a Parsons. That's not what I'm saying. What I
am saying is the risky runs is for a two

(28:36):
three game stretch there at the early part of the year.
Can him Fowler kneeling Sam Williams, can they create enough
of a pass rush to where the Cowboys defense looks like, oh, well,
how much do we really miss Michael? Now, don't get
me wrong, well whatever, And I said this on show
the other day when Brian brought that up. For whatever
the defense is gonna do, my thought is always gonna be,

(28:57):
how much.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Better would it be with Mike ol Right? So, so, yeah,
they could be great, but could they be greater?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's where you get into that.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
But but I do think it does lessen your negotiating power, Atlanta.
As we said, when you're in these negotiations, you're looking
for leverage. If your leverage is okay, well let's see
what you do without me, and then they perform really
well without you may not be what it would be
with you, but it's really good.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's good enough.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
Certainly, let's say get wins, then it certainly changes now
your leverage, whatever amount of leverage you thought you had
there now dwindles, and it changes your negotiating power, right.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
And Michael Parsons I don't think has as much leverage
as the Cowboys do in this situation, which is one
because of those years that they still which is why
if you're Michael Parsons in this team, you try to
get a deal done as soon as you can, because
if you don't play, then there's the your risk and
the chances.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Like you said, the Cowboys pass thrush looks great.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
I think your pass whutch is always going to be
ten times better when Michael Parsons is on the thing.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
We all agree with that, but I think Jerry agrees.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right, yeah, absolutely, anybody would, uh.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
And then you know you also for see the injury
of the risk excuse me of missing game tracks. And
that's a lot of money for a guy this age,
and really any age, millions, life changing money for anybody.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So if we're talking about Mike and side get a
deal done as soon as you can.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
So what advice would you guys give Jerry and the
Jones family and in the front office as far as
how you would handle it if you were in this
situation and having to deal with this whole contract.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
It depends are we trying to get it done or
were not trying to get it done?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Well, I mean, what do you think is best?

Speaker 6 (30:21):
Because I'll tell you for me, I look at it
and I say it's in everyone's best interest if you
can find a deal that works.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Now.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
The point is, I think the way Jerry looks at
it is already have a deal.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
So it's gonna have to be something.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
If we're gonna do a new deal, it's gonna have
to be a new deal that both of us, me
and you agree is worth.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Tearing up the old deal, right.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
And that's where it gets, you know, That's where that's
how we end up in the situation we're in right now,
is because I think they look at it like we
already have a deal in place, and I don't know
if Michae necessarily sees it like I need to honor
the last year of this deal, then.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
I would at least call the agent and see what
they're trying to play with, you know, see where they are,
what ballpark they're in at the very least, and then
reinvive away from there. It's tough to say, you know,
you want to hoorner a trade request or not honor
a trade request, or hey, fans, don't lose sleep over
this when you don't know what exactly the other side
wants at the end of the day. I mean, you
have an idea of what the player once, but the

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agent's gonna make things a little bit more difficult. I
just don't think there's been a level of acceptance from
the front office that the agent has to be involved here.
And that's where this thing just gets so weird. It's
it's tough to stuff to gauge. But my advice to
the front office will be just call the agent. Figure
it out from there.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, I'm with you, Nick, You just got a call
the agent.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
Just start that push and start heading towards the finish line,
because otherwise, if not, everybody's just gonna kind of be
sitting around look.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
At one another like are we doing this?

Speaker 8 (31:42):
Or because Michael Parsons made it very clear he's not
doing a deal without his agent involved. So if that's
what's gonna be needed to happen in order to reignite things,
then just ignite things.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I think getting something done.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Before the season is in everybody's best interest because you
can get Michael Parsons back out on the field. You
don't necessarily need to ramp up period for him throughout
the first couple of games of the year, like we
saw at times with Ceedee Lamb when he was holding out,
and you know, at.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
His position, is there really as much of a difference.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Maybe maybe not, but non uthless, if you can get
a guy going at full speed Week one against the
defending Super Bowl champions, then if that's the game that
you know the Cowboys are really wanting to win, which
of course they are, you want Michael Parsons on the field.
That's gonna make things a lot better and give you
a much better shot. So if I'm Jerry Jones the
Jones Family, I'm calling David mulligatta and starting to get
this ball rolling.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Best guest on when this steal gets done, I think
the calendar will stay September. I don't know when in September,
but I think the calendar will say September.

Speaker 8 (32:39):
I think this is just similar to Dak Prescott Steel,
where it gets done the day of or the day
before the opener.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
M Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of closer to you.
I kind of think that by the time we get
back to Dallas that about what was that like a
week and a half before the first game.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yeah, I kind of have a feeling it's gonna be
in that period.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
I don't think it happens here. I don't, I don't
eat I don't. I don't necessarily think it happens here.
I do think if I'm just guessing about and again
I'm looking at the tea leaves of what's happened in
the past as well. I think that period where you're
back in Dallas and your head getting ready for that,
you know, getting ready for that game, then opening game
against Philadelphia, I would I would not be shocked if
this is a Labor Day surprise for us and on

(33:19):
Labor Day we're covering a new deal.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
But I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
I think I think we all kind of are just
waiting for it to happen. Certainly in the media, that's
always the waight game, right, just waiting to see when
it happens. But that's that's ideally based on history. That's
what I would hope and I would guess at this
point is maybe they get it done by that point,
heading into that first week.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
And here's the interesting part.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
My hope is that Mica can then quickly acclimate himself
to the rigors of playing in an NFL game. You're
gonna have to limit his time if let's say it
happens at that time frame, You're gonna have to limit
his time in that first game, maybe in the first
couple games to get him up to speed, but hopefully
sooner rather than later, because quite frankly, I'm tired of
covering the story.

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It was. Let's let's talk though, real quick.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
I want to get some football because we spent the
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Speaker 4 (37:09):
But let's talk about football here.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
I want you, guys, give me over the last couple practices,
what you've seen.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I want to get. This is what we do for
both you guys.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
I want to get a moment and a player that
stood out to you for good or bad reasons, but
a moment and.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
A player that stood out of the last couple of practice.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
Just the last couple of ones.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, which since our last show, I got you.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
A couple let me go player, and I'm gonna go
key On Hall. Looked really good yesterday, I had a
couple of deflections, looked good the day before last. And
he's really starting to factor himself into a potential starting
nickel role going into the year. This team doesn't expect
Trayvon Diggs to be healthy for Week one, so they
are going to have to figure out what to do
at that cornerback position. And if it were me today,

(37:50):
I'd put Elam and Bland on the outside and I'd
put key On Hall at nickel. I think, you know,
despite him being in a competition with a lot of
young guys, he has some veteran experience. He has some
veteran savvy. He's been in the league gosh, like six
seven years already, which is crazy to think about. And
I was able to speak to him yesterday coming off
the field, and this time last year, literally this week
last year, he was invited for a training camp workout,
ended up making the squad, stuck around on the practice

(38:12):
squad that made the roster at the end of the
year last year, and he had an opportunity to start
in those last couple of weeks, but a knee injury
and practice kept him from doing so. I think he
has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder
to start in week one, and I think, you know,
that's certainly a player that's caught my eye a moment.
It's gonna have to be that CD catch a couple
of days ago, great coverage from Deron Bland and bobbling

(38:33):
it as he was going down and still hauled it
in and I did a little close frame. I got
in on the pixels. He caught that ball. So I
think this is the best catch so far at camp.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
So we do a replay out here, Yeah, yeah, we do.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
We have instant replay right here.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, we almost didn't have it. My player.

Speaker 8 (38:52):
This is gonna be the happiest Nick Nick's ever been
in a segment. Hunter Lipke is my player. You know,
this is a guy who with I'm trying to I'm
blinking right now, Miles Sanders kind of dealing with an
injury at the moment. He's seen a little bit more
run at running back, and they're doing everything with him.
They're giving him handoffs, they're throwing them the ball on
the flat they're having him blocked.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
He can do it all.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
He's a Swiss Army knife and I know that Nick
has paraded that around for the better part of three years.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Now and rightfully. So, I mean, he's a good football player.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
And that's what Brian Schotenheimer said, you know all around
this is he doesn't have a position. He just goes
out and plays football and he's doing it really well.
So I'll tip my cap to Hunter Luki and then
the player would be from earlier in that practice on
I think it was Saturday, when you know, they ran
a quick flip to Cavante Turpin and they got Terrence

(39:42):
Steele moving downfield, they got Cooper b b moving and
they just set two really good blocks down the field.
Terrence Steele got up on Donovan Wilson and Cavante Turbin
makes one cut and takes off.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Nobody even touched him.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
So that those are plays where you look at Cavante
Turbin and how much they've ingrained him in this offense
so far camp, and you can't help but think that,
you know, when they get him in space, he's gonna
be able to make some plays for him this season.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Yeah, that's been one of the most one of the
most pleasant surprises for me out here at training campus,
how much they they have integrated him into the offense
when for years since he's gotten here, I think every
media person has been clamoring for get more, get Turpid
more involved. There's more that he can do, There's more opportunity.
The guys just has such rare ability getting the ball

(40:27):
in his hands. There are only good things that are
going to happen from it, and it seems like that's
something that this coaching staff is very committed to doing
based on what we've seen so far.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
Yeah, I think that six million dollars price tag gives
you some incentive to find offensive roles for him.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Now, the question is just can his body hold up.
That's one of the things that I will say about him.
He doesn't tend to take a lot of straight on hits,
Like he tends to kind of bounce around and when
guys hit him, he kind of they kind of glanced him.
So he doesn't really take those straight on, big hits,
which for his body frame is a good thing. But
I'm very excited to see what he can do this year.
I told Nick the other day, Nick Eatman. I was like,

(41:00):
I might in a late round in fantasy that little
flyer on Devontae Turfin, because I think he's gonna have
some opportunities and his ability will mean he'll turn those
opportunities in some points.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
For you on fantasy, that is, that.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
Is a good question. Who's the best late round flyer
on this team?

Speaker 6 (41:14):
Late round or obviously overall, it's got to be CD,
right overall?

Speaker 7 (41:17):
CD or Pickens priced though, but like a late.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
Or Pickings like you you would you'd put Pickings up there.
How early would you would you take somebody like Pickins?

Speaker 7 (41:24):
Oh, man, I would go I have to think here
I had I'd have to go like probably fifth round.
But yeah, you're right, You're right. I just think about
like at the end of the day, how many points
could Pickens generate. At the end of day, he could
probably be a top fifteen receiver for.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Yeah, I put him in the conversation like I put
Devonte Smith. I've had Devontae Smith a couple of years.
Where As the second if you want to call him
the second option in Philly, like, he still puts up
pretty consistent, decent numbers. Yeah, he's the guy you can
rely on pretty much. You can get some pretty good
and then there'll be a couple weeks when he just
will blow up. Right, So yeah, I put Pickens in
that same kind of category. But yeah, I think Turpin

(41:57):
might be something you would you would think about in
a late round.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I think Jayden Blue would be a good late round
flying too.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Yeah, I think the secret's gonna get out.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
It's hard.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
It's hard to it's hard to keep it when he
keeps you know, he keeps making big run plays.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Man, He's it's hard to bring down.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
My fear is just like with so many guys in
the mix right now, you just have a hard time
knowing exactly the direction they're gonna go. You know, we
we see it out here at camp. But once you
get into the season, are they gonna opt for the
more veteran guys or they gonna go.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
You know what I'm saying, it's just so much. I
just that would make me a little bit.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
There are variables there.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
That being said, real quick Cowboys do have a practice
this afternoon. It's a joint practice with the l A Rams.
They'll be out here on the fields in Oxtar, California,
if in the area, come on drop by. But that
being said real quick, before we end the show, I'd
like you guys to give me one matchup that you're
excited to see today between the Rams and the Cowboys.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
I'm excited to see this Cowboys offensive line against the
Rams d line. It's uh, it's the depth is certainly
being tested on the offensive line. For for the Cowboys,
I want to see how they go up against this
Rams defensive front that is young, deep. They got a
lot of guys that that'll be able to rotate in
and you know, how does a guy like Nate Thomas
factor in at left tackle? Can he hold guys like
Jared Verse? And in the inside Tyler Booker? You know,

(43:06):
is he going to be able to handle a guy
like Brandon Fist coming in the middle. So there's a
there's a lot of guys that I'm excited to see
in the trench battle for sure.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
I look outside at corner with the Cowboys, you know,
you look at the Rams ride receiver corps with Davante
Adams and Pook, Jordan Whittington.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
They yeah, they they they got Texas. Yeah, he has
been great daring.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
I know.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yes, By the way, I love Texas too, so I
will with that.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
But Adams might not practice today, so that would be
even more opportunities for a guy like winning.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
Right, and then you've got, you know the rest of
the guys like to two at well, Tyler Higbee, the rookie,
Terrence Ferguson's questionable, I know, but nonetheless, you know, you
look at the Cowboys cornerback room and just how it
kind of dire straits.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
They are because of injuries there.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
You know, this is a big opportunity for Andrew Booth,
if he's back and healthy, to be able to go
out there and play Deron Bland. Are they going to
put him outside or in the slot? You talk about
Kemon Hall in the slot? Is he going to be
able to show something? Troy Pride is a guy who
has had a practice or two where he's kind of flashed,
but then other times where he hasn't.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Same with Andrew Booth.

Speaker 8 (44:06):
So it's good reps for these guys who may have
to be counted on here early just because of these injuries.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
You know.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
One of the interesting things about that, Matthew Stafford, according
to reports, will not be practicing today, So that does
kind of limit that hasn't let a little bit. You
may not get to see the full extent of what
this especially if he and DeVante Adams aren't aren't practicing,
you may not get a chance to see that challenge
as much as we really want to see it.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
But there'll be some interesting things certainly to follow out here.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
It's always a fun practice when you have teams in town,
and the Rams and Cowboys tend to have a really
spirited practice when they get together out here in Knox, Narch.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
So we'll see how that goes. So we appreciate you, guys.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Jones.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
We're back on Thursday. We'll tell you everything that we
saw in this practice. We'll also do a little bit
of a wrap up here from campus because it is
the last Cowboys Break episode that we'll do here at camp.
We're gonna do a little bit of a big picture
recap some of the things that we liked and didn't like,
some players that stood out, some players that didn't stand out.
We'll do all that on Thursday till then. For Tommy
Yarsh and Nick Harris'm Derek Eagleton. This has been the
Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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