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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It is Monday, December eighth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
episode number eighty nine. Welcome the latest edition of The Break.
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is it is our Queen's birthday today Oshawati, which says

(01:02):
our queen, the show's queen the shows my wife ain't
your queen. Let's get that straight. Let's you get that straight.
I see an hour and when I see the hour
that we got now okay, so here's the deal. We
got different flavors because I know from being with you
on the road when we when we when we were
at game.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
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at this, she said.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
This is fully fully cool on yours fully God, you've
been working on that. Non't know if it hit away
a red voge.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, so yes, there are there are different flavors here,
so what over here?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
So we don't get Derek spit on it, just in case.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I KNOWE likes different flavors and likes a lot of
different types. So I got all the different types and
you can decide which when you want amber, and then
we'll put a candle in.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
This was you? What do you mean this was me?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
You got this?

Speaker 7 (02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:05):
I got that?

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Oh wow, why you do that?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm like, I would never do anything nice for you.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
I just I'm just asking. I like to thank the
right people. You know. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Welcome.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
None of your business, none of your business, thank you, Derek.
Geez a grey day today, Brian is starting.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I did not wait, we didn't like the can. We
don't get a candle in you.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
We didn't blow it out.

Speaker 9 (02:33):
Fine, I'm trying to get small, but hitting mouse for
smelling because it's gone.

Speaker 10 (02:45):
These are great, the good stuff good stuff, good stuff.
All right, Well, happy birthday, thank you, thank you. All right,
So we where's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do
our normal show. But one of the rules today it
is Amber's birthday, So she has V two power at.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Any given moment.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
So as we go through the show, if there's a
topic she doesn't like, she can vat conversation, and if
Vatch starts talking too much, she can say, I need
you to be quiet and give me a chance. Uh
so Amber gets to kind of run. Now, she's not
hosting the show because she didn't want that smoke, but
she's just gonna have veto power as we go.

Speaker 9 (03:21):
So what's the signal? Like, is it like a hand
gesture that she got it? She gonna say something like,
what what's the sign?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I asked? What's what's hers? What's her headache?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Cress?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
And then he'll go perfect, that worked for you, lot,
it ain't your birthday.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It don't matter what He'll work for me no matter.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
If that's what we're gonna do, Look, get through the
show without me. She didn't say she was kicking you out.
She just says she has veto power if anything comes up,
and she feels like she needs to talk.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
She will right here we go.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we didn't get a chance to completely finish our conversation.
Get another he's thinking about it. We got the chocolate
straw bit. Yeah, and then like a lemon.

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Speaker 3 (04:20):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
That's all right?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
So we did not finish the conversation about the game
last week. There was there was still one topic I
wanted to actually a couple of topics I wanted to
get to. One was the past defense GoF had. He
was twenty five to thirty four, seventy four percent completion
with three hundred and nine passing yards. Williams had a
great day, Saint Brown had a great day. Gibbs had
a great day passing or receiving. Where were the major breakdowns?

(04:46):
As you guys went back and watched the film, where
were the major breakdowns in the Cowboys secondary.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I don't think we dislike Flues enough.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I saw you post that on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
We don't. We don't dislike Flus enough.

Speaker 9 (04:59):
Brian win through this time here, and he was a
Dallas Cowboys dot com guy, and he had a big
thing with Jason Garrett, and people got mad at by
the whole by trying to fire Jason Garrett. I think,
I think this is so much worse than anything that
we could have said about Jason Garrett or Mike McCarthy.
Y'all know how I feel about Mike McCarthy. I think
this flu situation, it's far worse. At least you won games.

(05:22):
You had some decent out, some decent output on offense
with Mike. Flus is doing things that nobody's good at.
People that aren't bad in space, they're in space. People
that are running these zone looks with a lot of cushion,
they ain't good at that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (05:39):
You have a defensive lineup versus in a Lion's offensive line, Brian,
we saw out of their twenty six sacts about five
of them. We saw a bunch of slants, movement and
gap a Shane. Sure, I ain't see none of that,
Derek Eagles, you.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
So I ain't saying that Flu's looking like he's trying
to lose on purpose. That'll be irresponsible to me. But
it's like, I'm just a dude with a camera to
microphone and I'm not one of the thirty two best defensive.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
As in the league. But I got eyes.

Speaker 9 (06:02):
I got eyes and certain things that work for the Cowboys,
and that bit of time where they were solid on defense.
He did none of those things, strangely enough, not even
from those from those games, Eagles, Raiders, whatever. Take the
first two drives in the Lions game. We saw some press,
we saw some blitzing, we saw some movement, we saw
some weird little looks, and I say, cool, Flues, you

(06:25):
might keep your job through this one, and Flu said,
I'd be damn And we didn't do anything. And when
I say we, I'm a fan. The Cowboys didn't do
any of that the rest of the game. And you
saw the points reflected on it, and I don't think
the Lions punted since then since that point.

Speaker 11 (06:40):
Right, Yeah, to me, when you start off the game
kind of interesting with your five man line to your
five man pressure, and you get Mary Slie foul on
the field, which we've all been kind of talking about,
and you know, that's a whole nother story. But you
bring on, you bring in the fifth rusher, and then
all of a sudden, the dropbacks, nine dropbacks. You're starting
to get pressure. And then you know, we've all kind

(07:02):
of seen this with Jared Golf is that when he
gets flustered or gets pressure, he'll spike the ball, he'll
throw it into the ground and he'll he'll just he'll
he'll live to fight another day. And then all of
a sudden, you're kind of doing these things. You're getting
this pressure. You're bringing the fifth rusher. They're really not
handling it well. They have to take out one of
their guards and replace him with another guard because the

(07:24):
pressure is so bad. But you're kind of playing a
little bit more man coverage. You're kind of matching up
with him. It's a tough team to play man coverage again,
but you got to find ways to get pressure. And
then you did, and then all of a sudden, you
reverted back to some things that you had done before.
You just went four man line, and you thought you
were good enough to get just with that, with that
that type of pressure, and then all of a sudden

(07:46):
he got a little bit more comfortable. And then now
you're now you're your secondary is in a little bit
of a problem. You weren't very good at either cornerback spot.
You weren't particularly good at safety. And you know that
when when you don't get pressure, then it affects the
way that your secondary plays, especially with guys, with guys
like Saint Brown who plays so well on the move.

(08:07):
You know, Williams plays so well on the move. And
then now you're dealing with you haven't covered a flat
pass all year. People have thrown the ball in the flats,
and it seems like it's just a massive.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Game every time about the linebackers.

Speaker 11 (08:19):
It's linebackers, it's you know, it's it's the safeties, it's
the corners coming up. I mean, take your pick. They
haven't they haven't played a flat pass well all year.
And what did what did Dan Campbell try and do?

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Early?

Speaker 11 (08:31):
They gave me tried to throw some screens, you know,
because he knew it. He knew you were struggling there.
But you were able to get some pressure along the way.
But It's just it's surprising how sometimes you get into
a rhythm where things look, you know, look good, and
then all of a sudden you completely go away from it,
and then by that point then it's too late.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
One thing I'm seeing, I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (08:51):
I One thing I'm seeing is I see a lot
of people on the ind and thet kind of defending
flucent a way of well but vised Flues don't blitz
listen is just something that Flues don't do.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
If Flus want to keep his job, you might want
to start.

Speaker 9 (09:04):
Dan Quinn was a notorious Cover three guy, but he
got here and he said, boy, we got press man dudes.
Let's go get pressure and just play press man stuff.
I think at some point you have to make the
adjustment for the guys that you have. A couple of
years ago, long time ago, when the Saints were like
really good, right, we saw Jordan Lewis go totally away
from what he does, say, hey man, we need some

(09:25):
extra Alvin catches the ball, Jordan follow Alvin, and Jordan
was like a nickel linebacker type guy. For you, I
would have appreciated Flues if I would have saw just
the effort of hey, you just can't keep Kenneth Murray
or one of these other guys on Gibbs. We can't
end up in this situation where Marquis bell Is on

(09:45):
jameson Williams.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
You can't do that.

Speaker 9 (09:47):
I would rather you go away from what you do
and put a suitable body on that player and just
have that dude follow him around and you might give
up big plays, but you don't give up forty four
points worth of him. You see what I'm saying. I
just want small adjustments and we don't even get small.
And that's what the fail's saying. This ain't my opinions.
I mean that's on failing brun Yeah, small adjustments would
have would have at least and we go back to it.

(10:08):
Two stops? Can we get two stops? And the Cowboys
offense started rolling at the end. They weren't perfect that day,
but they put thirty points on the board on the road.
I think thirty points was enough.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
We just didn't get enough on defense.

Speaker 11 (10:18):
Yeah, you're a situation too, where like I was just
looking at the metrics when you're talking about the man
Verson splits and stuff like that, and you know on
five dropbacks, Yeah, when he played, he played man coverage,
they averaged only four point three yards a completion there,
tight window throw about twenty percent, average separation about two yards.
Blitz that's at twenty percent. He had three quarterback pressures

(10:41):
in five dropbacks when he was playing man coverage against
these guys, so obviously he was blitzing to do those
things when he was playing. So to me, it just
it's funny how you go away, you go back to
something where this team just doesn't always look comfortable playing
a ton of now against camp I just I think
it's against certain teams you play different, you have to

(11:03):
play differently, and he's done it, and we gave him
credit for this for the last whether it was play
a lot of zone against the Raiders, play a lot
of zone against Philadelphia, played a lot more man coverage
against Patrick Mahomes in the in the game the other day.
You know, with this guy, you got to pressure him.
You gotta pressure this quarterback. And that's that's where they

(11:23):
started off with that intent just couldn't carry it, and
their secondary wasn't good enough to have to deal with
the two receivers and the running backside.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Of the backfield.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Just playing Devil's advocate could this be a situation where
because of the fact that we all know you play
this team in man coverage all day, those receivers are
gonna get open, and those receivers are gonna make some plays.
Do you think it could have been a situation where
Flus was like, I was able to get through a
couple series where we were able to play man. I
can't keep doing this because they're gonna torch us and

(11:54):
and so he decided to go to his zone because
he figured that slows them down versus giving up these
big plays that he thought would be coming if they
continue to play man.

Speaker 9 (12:03):
Tell the devil, I said that when you were when
you were in man, you didn't see big plays like
like you you have it.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Seris.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
You may get you may get an Armor Ross Saint Brown,
Deep Crosser, but you gotta live with those because he's
Armor Rod Saint Brown, Gibbs may have a big play
in an open space.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
You have to live with those. That's who he is.

Speaker 9 (12:24):
You can the same thing saying you can't let everybody
go crazy all game. You have to disrupt the timing.
This is a timing based offense, and how you disrupt
timing ain't give them twelve yards of room to operate.
That ain't how you disrupt timing. You disrupt time by
putting somebody on the line of scrimmage and disrupt the timing,
or flaring a linebacker out to where you think somebody
might be in disrupt and disrupt timing in that way.

(12:46):
Even if past rushing you know, doesn't always get there.
You gotta do something to just get Golf off his spot.
But once Golf was comfortable, ain't.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Knowing you can do right.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
But what I want to know is I want What
I want to know is up until this game, did
the metrics. If you play this team in man, they
will beat you. If you play this team and zone,
that's your best chance. That's what I don't know, because
there has to be more involved. Like obviously, when we're
talking about a guy that is a defensive coordinator in
the NFL, he knows certain things. I mean, by the way,
it's stuff we could probably look up. But my point

(13:16):
is there had to be a reason why he went
away from it. And that's what I'm trying to phrase.
Why would he go away from it? Because I agree
with you guys, it looked like it was working early
and went away from it and didn't go back to it.
It didn't seem like the metrics.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
The metrics will tell you that gall through eleven touchdown
passes under pressure on one hundred and fifty eight attempts
for a seven about seven percent touchdown rate. This is
last year. This season, he's thrown just two touchdown passes
under pressure on one hundred and sixteen attempts. That's one
point seven percent touchdown rate. And this was this was
the matchup that had going in. The Cowboys have generated

(13:51):
the tenth highest pressure rate this season thirty five almost
thirty six percent, but they've allowed the third highest passer
rating when doing so, win pressuring win pressure. See that's
the thing about they they're there. It's the gamble. That's
just the gamble that when you're golf, the metrics tell
you golf has not performed well. The metrics will tell

(14:11):
you Dallas pressures people, but they don't also cover very well.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'll take that.

Speaker 11 (14:16):
I'll take the gamble of pressuring and seeing that golf
is going to maybe not handle it well.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's that's what I would have.

Speaker 9 (14:24):
I would definitely take that because at least I know
the pressure could get there. But if you only rushing
for show me, to show me the metrics of us
rushing four and whatever that hasn't been something that's consistently
has worked for them. It's probably all I want from Flus,
and I don't want to know what. But all I
wanted from Flus is if you try something and you

(14:45):
make a change and it don't work, just make another
adjustment at that time.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
That's all. Just make another jumb I've seen this cowboy offense,
do it. Do it a bunch.

Speaker 9 (14:53):
You start off rough, something don't happen for you quite
but once you get into your adjustment, then you're cool.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Like I'm somebody knew, a new voice, a new voice.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
You know. I'm sitting here quietly because with age comes
maturity nothing, and I'm trying to clearly tongue because I'm like, okay,
let me be nice. You guys were so nice today
with me and these cupcakes and happy birthday and all that.
So I'm trying to be nice because although I agree

(15:28):
with a lot of what you guys are saying, the
nature in me, just for the fun of it, wants
to argue and like, say, you know what, watch a
couple of weeks ago, you were talking to the camera saying, hey,
you a man flues and blah blah blah blah blah,
when obviously they want I want.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
To talk so badly. You're gonna get that buzz on
me if I start talking.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
No, we're about to go to break.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
But it's.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
It's quite interesting because you know, I call you a
flip flopper before.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I haven't up on flues.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
But when they were winning, which he apologized, you gotta
give credit, but I want to pose the question when
we come back from the break. It's just like, okay,
really stripping the whole thing down of like taking the
winds away, just like looking regardless of the outcome. Has
his coaching stayed consistently throughout the season and with what

(16:24):
you've seen, regardless of the new talent added, and well clear.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Break, don't just be clear right?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
No, no, bruss it, buzz it, Chris, I.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Ain't stopping there. Let be clear.

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Welcome back. We're in the second segment of The Break
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you had a question just before the break, what's your
What was the question?

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Okay, let me let me be honest because watch I'm
not trying to argue with you because I'm just I'm
just starting to be nice to Derek. But it's really
a question directed to Derek. But fine in front of me.
But it's this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
You're looking at me, but you're h yeah, this is
that transitive thing.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Yeah, but I have to be nice to sure, But
but no, I still I say again, and I agree.
I'm an extent where you look at a coach that
has a history that you've seen them have success in
the NFL, and you know what they can do, all

(20:14):
of a sudden gets to this point where you're like, well,
nothing is really working. You got to spark once you
added veteran guys to the roster that are professional as well,
that have time in the NFL, that are productive. But
yet that's only gonna last you to a certain extent,
because then once again your false false, false, faults false,

(20:41):
they're gonna start picking through once again. And I think
it's to this point now that at some point, just
like when, oh my god, why am I blanking out Clark?
When he came to the roster, that we saw the
immediate impact in the run defense, We saw that immediately,
We're like whoa, whoa, wow, Okay, now working with something,
and all of a sudden he started fading away once again.

(21:04):
So I think now is yes, you got that initial impact,
and now you're back to what it truly is and
what it has truly been. So I'm with you in
this thing. I'm like, Okay, you have to give credit
from his past, but this is the present and you

(21:24):
have a bunch of question marks that you're like, Okay,
at some point you think it's going to start kicking
in and you see what you see on tape. And
that's where I bring the question where it's like, Okay,
I love Brian Schottenheimer, absolutely love him. I love everything
he's doing and with him with everything that he's building.
But it makes me wonder at times where him being

(21:47):
the head coach and also the play caller, does that
take away his focus a little bit from what he
should be doing as a head coach as far as
voicing certain things on the defensive side of the ball
and being as accountable as he's been on the offense,
taking that accountability over to the defense.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, I will say this, I do think that that
has happened this season. If you remember, if you've been
following coach Schottenneimer, he talked about how there was a
point where he went over to the defensive room and
started asking some questions and saying, why are we doing
this and why is this? And I think when you
hire someone when you're the head coach and you hire

(22:28):
someone as your coordinator, I think you need to step
back and let them coordinate until you see that things
aren't working, and then you need to step in and
you need to say, Okay, let's have some conversation, let's
figure out why this isn't working, what needs to change,
and then you need to help them walk through that
until you get the results you want. I don't think
and my arguments that remain the same. I don't think

(22:49):
Flu's forgot how to call a defense. I think he's
been a really good defensive coordinator. So what it says
to me is there's more going on here than just
Fluce other things that play here regarding the players that
that also is a part of the problem. Now, this
is a results based business, so at the end of
the day, he's gonna have to be accountable to the
fact that, regardless of what the problems are, he didn't

(23:11):
figure out a solution and or to this point, hasn't
come up with a consistent solution to whether his team
is playing consistently well on defense. They're still giving up
forty four points uh in games, and that's not going
to be good enough because it's a results based business.
But I don't think it's all FLUSE. I think there
are other things that play here.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I have so much, Brian, you want to go first,
I got so much.

Speaker 11 (23:33):
Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (23:35):
First of all, let me say I never changed my
tone on FLU So you did, and I did. Dere
Derek came and asked us, heyes, did good man?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
What you feel like? Hold your horse to see more?
I need to see it ten more times. So anbar
is lying on me.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
There, I admit it. I said it. I dart write them.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Looking at you.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
WHOA, he doesn't right.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I'm about to get meat up out it Birthday. I
wonder what's third bro?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I wonder.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
And this ain't me reporting that, because because because we
got responsibilities here, I'm not reporting nothing. This is just
my own theory. I wonder if Shoddy wants to move
on from FLUS, but higher management probably don't want that. Second,
he didn't hur for sure for Shure. I wonder if
if it was his decision with this little like college
football said it like you out of here?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Why we playing?

Speaker 9 (24:23):
And we about to go find somebody else, watch somebody.
I wonder if that if that would be the case
my whole thing about Flus and Ambar makes fantastic points.
When we get new players a look cool for a
little bit, and then it go back to what it
was because the other team makes the adjustments, but Flu's doesn't.
So if you got Osa and Solomon to worry about,

(24:45):
that's what that team preps for. If Kenny Clark pops
up magically, then you got about three games of the
league trying to adjust to Kenny Clark and then they'll
figure it out. Quinn Williams pops up magically, looks fantastic.
You need to come I stant league make adjustments in
the National Football League, And that's where I think Derek's
point is coming from. Flus may not have magically rolled

(25:06):
out the being forgot how to coach, but sometimes as
as an older coach, not like he's old old, but
he's been a coordinator and a head coach, he's kind
of established a little bit. He's not as hungry as
another coach that's up three in the morning trying to
make adjustments. That's trying to make change. I guess whatever
he wants to roll out is what he wants to
roll out. Maybe he's not on it like everybody else.

(25:28):
And this is just me assuming as well. But that's
just what it looks like, right, He's not making the
extra adjustment that a hungry coach would probably want to.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
But could it also be because I think this happens
with veteran coaches sometimes they get into this mindset of
we just got to keep doing it until we figure out.
We gonna figure it because I've seen this work. It's like,
what was that that line from Remember the Titans? He said,
it's like nova, Can you just keep running it? Eventually
it's gonna work like it. I think veteran coaches sometimes
because they've seen it, they also do.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
This for players.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I've seen this guy play. Well, I'm just gonna keep
trusting that if I keep giving the opportunity, mur you're
gonna get right. Maybe that's the deal with Murray. But
and by the way, I'm not saying that's right. That
then they have to be accountable for that if they're
gonna go that route. But I do think that's probably
more likely for a veteran coach than just he's not hungry.
I think they all want to.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
With today's NFL, that mentality, in my opinion, no longer
works because the games happen so quickly, the season flies by.
And I've seen it enough in the time that I've
been working here that when you just keep doing the
same thing over and over more often than not, it's
just never gonna work. Like it doesn't. It doesn't. And

(26:36):
then all of a sudden, you're sitting here in December,
you're running out of time. You're like, well, there goes
another season we saw. I mean, we've seen this over
and over again, and the end result, it's the end
of result. It doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
You have to be able to adjust, to look at
what you're working with and know, okay, well crap, now,
maybe his adjustment will making that change in that game
that you're like, why he going away from it? It's
also making the right.

Speaker 11 (27:07):
Adjustment, but you're also dealing with the first first time
head coach, and you know, and some of these sometimes
you're in a situation where if you're a guy that
feels like you're going to you know, you're going to
get a job as a head coach, you have an
idea of guys that you want to bring along with you,
you know, And so here's Brian Schottenheimer. He has an

(27:27):
idea of the guys here. Look look at the.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Guys on staff.

Speaker 11 (27:31):
I mean he basically kept everybody on the offensive staff,
and then they got rid of the line coach and
brought a new one in and a new coordinator and
all that things that they needed. But those are things
that he was familiar with and sa all of a
sudden though, as as a first time head coach, you're
a little bit of the mercy of the front office.
Front offices. Listen, we were with this guy, Matt Eberflus

(27:53):
when he was here. Yeah, oh yeah, I know Flu.
So I don't know him personally, but does his philosophy
match where Brian Schottenheimer's philosophy is. I think if you
had to say through fourteen weeks of the season, there
are things now that Brian Schottenheimer knows as a head
coach and now knows about Matty Flu's scheme that he

(28:13):
would probably say, listen, I would like to change this.
I would like to change this. And so sometimes as
that first time head coach, you're so happy to have
the job and somebody recommends a guy. Listen, we were
with this guy. This guy can coach. Just okay, man,
I trust you I'm going along with you if that,
But it might not fit your philosophy, it might not

(28:37):
fit how you want it coached. You know, those are
the things you have to kind of, you know, let's
be honest. Mike McCarthy got very fortunate with dan Quinn.
He talked about being hungry. Dan Quinn went out and
reinvented himself the time he had off. You know, Matt
Ebraflus went from a head coach to back to being
a coordinator. So there are things I think think that

(29:00):
Brian Schottenheimer clearly would like to do differently, And I
think if he had to do it over that he
would probably with the experience that he has now, maybe
he would have liked that opportunity to hire his own coach.
But when he got the job, he was just grateful
he had the job, and he put together the staff
how he saw fit, with some recommendations from the front office,

(29:22):
and now that what he knows, maybe he would have
done things a little bit differently.

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Got a break.

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All right, we're gonna take our final break, and do
you have something you want to throw it?

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I got so much more about Flues. Are we moving
on from Flues?

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On Thursday, I really want to get to the linebacker position.

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That might have some I'm still go I'm still gonna
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We're in the final second of the break life in
s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We've been talking
about the defense. I want to zero in a little
bit on the linebacker position. Let's start first by I
want you guys to give me an assessment of what
you think of Logan Wilson's play and what you think
of Kenneth Murray's play, because these are the two linebackers
that are predominantly kind of in the spotlight as the

(32:56):
supposedly the guy now we're not We're going to put
a pen in Overshown for a minute, because he's coming back.
He's actually the linebacker playing the most. But these other
two are the are the guys that that I think
are playing. The amount that they're playing is probably flipped
from what most people thought when they acquired Logan Wilson.
What do you think of Logan Wilson's playing? What do
you think of Ken Murray's playing?

Speaker 9 (33:14):
Nobody's playing fantastic. Let me just say that nobody's knocking
it out the park, not even overshan really, But yeah,
Murray is just like obviously not getting the job done.
And that's the nicest way I could say, because I
was gonna say something meaning, but I thought about what
you know, what ambar say, and I would find a
very nice way to say it. Murray's just not doing

(33:35):
his part. I would love to know who's in charge
of the rotation. I would love to know how much
power the head coach got in that rotation, you know,
like the say in which who who does? Because I
would love it if somebody say, hey man, this fifty
nine thing ain't working. Can we run with the catch
we just acquired that that that looks a little better.
Like I said, man, Logan hasn't been like a pro bowler,

(33:57):
but at least he does small things like game ground.
He's when he's dropping, he's kind of in the right
direction when he's moving in a certain place. I'm gonna
defend Murray on this one thing. There were some cowboy
fans that was mad at him because you know, he
couldn't tackle Gibbs and open space with nobody's gonna be
able to do that. Shamar wasn't gonna be able to
do it, Mary's wasn't gonna be able to do it
overshown or like nobody they weren't gonna tackle Gibbs in

(34:19):
open space like that.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
But all right, Murray, you can't tackle Gibbs and over space.
I get it.

Speaker 9 (34:24):
What's your next play look like? And the next thirty
or so Murray plays? It sounds mean when I say
I promise him not being mean. It looked like he
doesn't think and run at the same time. He's either
running maybe a little slow to it, or he's thinking
and he's not moving. I'm not being mean. That's just
my that's just how I look at it. So a
lot of times, what happened is is if you do

(34:46):
any kind of misdirection, any kind of little motion, he
stops moving. I would at least take a guy like
Logan Wilson that'll move in a direction and if he's wrong,
he'll plant his foot and just go the other way.
Overshon does it as well. I think Murray played like
ten more rep then Logan.

Speaker 12 (35:00):
Did.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I believe Murray was in the thirties Logans in the twenties.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (35:03):
I made a joke that if they just playing the
same amount of series or whatever, that is just take
longer to put points on the board with Logan, Like
there's just longer drives with Murray on the field than
it deals with Logan on the field. Your linebacker play
ain't good. You're probably gonna have to address that in
the offseason. But if it's all over these the last
four games anyway, and we just evaluating for the future,

(35:24):
I don't think fifty nine is going to.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Be a part of it.

Speaker 11 (35:27):
He played nineteen more snaps.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
Nineteen more, Yeah, Murray played nineteen more than Logan.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, fifty percent snaps for him, forty two percent snaps
for Logan Wilson, only fifteen percent for Marrisleophile's.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
That's once again, it's the hazards of when you have turnover.
And this is probably why the front office doesn't want
to have turnover. Maybe coach Schottenheimer doesn't want to turnover
with the defensive coordinator because all of a sudden you
bring in a whole new defensive staff. Well, here we go.
The players that just this daft drafted will now become

(36:01):
players like Mary's leafhau where all of a sudden we
could not the day three of the draft, sitting in
this room to a scout, a coach, we had the
linebacker coach has had everybody in here, and they could
not say enough great things about Mary's Leifel. I mean,
Mary Sleefel is like you would swear he was the
greatest linebacker to ever played. And now under this current regime,

(36:26):
Marus Leafel can't find his way to the field, you know,
and you wonder, you wonder if he is a fit.
And this is the hazards when you when you keep
turning over certain groups or coaches, your group becomes a
little bit mismatched. And maybe maryers Leafel doesn't fit into
where under the Mike Zimmer regime he was destined to

(36:50):
be a guy that was going to get almost every snap.
That's just not the case right now.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
I just I have a problem with this whole mentality
of the difference in coaching, Like, you should be able
because a professional is a professional, an athlete is an athlete.
You're in the NFL, you should be able to and
I get it, depending on your physique, there are certain

(37:16):
things that you can be better at, but not to
the extent where you're just a mess on the field
and you're incapable of doing what you're supposed to do.
So you I cannot buy into, oh, well, now you
got a different coach and that player is not thriving
under that scheme. You should be able to coach that

(37:38):
player into what you're trying to do. I'm like this guy,
I can tell this my birthday. All the prices over.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Here because.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Once a week, once a week, you say something that
really stick to me.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
But please, I appreciate that, please, But that whole thing is,
there's just no way that you have these guys that
you've seen them be talented in the National Football League
as a whole, where even in college they had experience,

(38:16):
and then you bring him and to use your example,
Brian with Leo fou we saw him last year when
he just came got dropped into there boom, and then
we saw him. We saw the potential, We saw him
have that spark, and we started saying, hey, next year,
that guy, he's gonna be a really good linebacker for
you man. And then all of a sudden, his amount

(38:37):
of time on the field, his snaps, you just keep
dropping and dropping and dropping. You don't see him. You
don't this guy Logan Wilson. We talked about him when
he they just made the trade, and we're like, well,
this guy can do some things. We've seen him do
all of a sudden, nothing like all of a sudden.
We ain't got nobody that works. And I don't believe

(38:59):
that it's a playing I don't because these guys work
really hard. Not that the coaches don't either, but there's
talent there, and I think anybody else seen another team
would love to have a guy like Leo Foul.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
Yeah, man, y'all can miss me with this continuity stuff too.
Y'all can miss me with this. I've been hearing that
a lot, all the defensive continuity. You want to know
one thing that whoops connuity every single time. It is
better dudes, Better dudes whip continuity every single time. We
had a lot of change at the let's just say
the old line coach, right constant change, the old line coach, Salari,

(39:34):
fielbn whatever, whatever. But when you get a dude up
in here, that's that's good. That's two good old line coaches.
Your old line looks a little different than what it
previous has. You know what I'm saying, Nobody, nobody's saying
that about Oh, the wide receiver coaches are different, the
old line coaches are different.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
What about that?

Speaker 9 (39:48):
There's a huge contrast between Kellen call and plays and
then Mike call and plays and then shoddy calling plays.
Better dudes make those things better. So now, once we
got the right dude in the seat, then we can
build connuity. So your two Clayton Adams, your two Shinnenheimer
year two, whoever, whoever, Now you're building connuity once you
got the right dude in place. I don't want to
know what Flu's connuity looks like, and it may sound mean,

(40:11):
pardon me, I don't want to know what Flu's connuity
sounds like. I'm sure that if you get a better
physical coordinator in here, everybody's gonna start playing better. Then
you build coninuity from that. I don't want to build
connuity on something that ain't working right now.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I ask your question, it's impossible that disposition, the linebacker position,
linebacks could be holding this defense back.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Man, everybody looking bad.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I get that, But I'm saying the position and the
role that the linebacker plays could really bad. Play at
the linebacker position. Could that be affecting other positions as well?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Expertise, it is whispering, it is, it is.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
But I'm saying, though, is could that be the biggest
problem that this defense as? Like if you solve that problem, Oh,
if tomorrow you solve that linebacker problem, do you think
this defense is better?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Man? I think if you had two all Pro linebackers
right now, I think flu So find a way.

Speaker 9 (41:03):
Now that's just hating brou I think, okay, so how
about this shouts my guy will still right, my guy
will still a tweet about this?

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Right?

Speaker 9 (41:07):
He was like Mike Zimmer, like in the middle of
the season, realized who Overshawn was. It's like a pass rusher. Yeah,
So all of a sudden we saw a bunch of
overshown pass rushing, five sacks like tapers for lost all
this kind of stuff. Right now, we got a dude
that kind of sees who and we don't get none
of that. Where's the using what you got?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
No, it's Quinn with Micah, it's Quinn with Michael.

Speaker 9 (41:28):
Where's the using what you got? And we got Quinn
Williams up here, and Quinn used all his superpowers as
much as he could, But like, what's the next step,
what's the next adjustment? So I feel Michael could have
been here. Fred Warner could be here. I don't know
if I can say names best corner of the league
could be here. You could have traded for Sauce, he
could have been here. I still think Sauce Gardener will
be playing twelve yards off the line of scrimmage. I

(41:50):
still think Fred'll be running all over the place trying
to get somebody the lineup prop. I still think it'll
be goofy up in here. I still think you if
you had the best blitzing linebacker in the league, Flutes
wouldn't Blitzer wouldn't blitz them. Bill kan Neuty with another dude, Sorry, Flus,
We we work together. Man, we're in the same building.
Don't ball you fit some because them, Dude, Let'm say
some security dangers up front. Dog, don't attack me, But Flues,

(42:12):
it's on film, doog. If I'm lying, you know what
I'm saying. If I'm lying, it's different. If I'm hating,
it's different. This stuff on film. Brian coming here with
a number every single day to put a numeric opinion
on mind a fact, a numeric fact on top of
my opinion. Sorry, Bro, Flues, you made a lot of
money this year. I'm proud of you, Dog, by your
family house or something.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Proud of you. Bro, well Man, I think we need
some new blood here.

Speaker 12 (42:35):
Man.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
It's some good defense coordinators that college football playoffs, Brian,
I love to snatch.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
One of them. Patricia, do something for my buddy in Oklahoma,
and then Hannah. The characters.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
That is a wrap will be back tomorrow. Actually, Brian's
gonna have some questions for us tomorrow, so I'm sure
there's gonna be some interesting conversations that come out of that.
Sorry again, Happy birthday, Amber, until then, Until tomorrow for Bacchu,
Lombardi Boys, rodust In Ambergarci. I'm Derek and this has
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