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It is Wednesday, April thirtieth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Your screen, why did you do this to me today?
Because I knew I knew you would have that reaction.
That's why why did you?
Speaker 7 (01:05):
Why did you bring this guy?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
We don't have Nick Harris with us today, but we've
got I think a really great replacement for him today,
mister Voch Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Watch listen, Derek. I've been watching The Break for a long.
Speaker 8 (01:17):
Time, and you always maybe when you say that, And
every time I watched the break, everybody seems to be
suited and booted. And the one thing that I will
not do is show up lacking or show up listen there.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So I just want to throw on a little Sunday.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
I mean, nothing too crazy, nothing too crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's I just wanted to I just wanted to match
the end.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
Nothing too crazy, man, never never go too crazy. You've
never been known to do that.
Speaker 8 (01:42):
Sorry, boy. We drafted some players. Boy man, you know
that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
We're going to get into this draft uh today and
talk about what happened. You guys obviously did the Draft
show all weekend, so you were there for every single pick,
literally every single pick, not just the Cowboys pick. So
we'll get into some talk around the Cowboys draft if
we have time. We might even talk about some other
drafts around the league or some interesting things that came
out of the weekend, mister Seder Sanders. But we'll see
(02:07):
if we got time to get into some of that other.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
We're not gonna have time.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
We'll see if we don't. If we don't, then we
always have show next week.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And there, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
How many times. Have we done this?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
All right, So we're gonna go around the table real quick.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I want everybody in a word or maybe three, how
would you characterize the Cowboys draft.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We'll start at your batch.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Bp A shouts out to y'all. Learn you listen.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
Yeah, I think that handle your business with the board,
the way that thing's set up. Man, it was. I
know it's two words, handle your business. I guess two words.
But but yeah, they drafted their board. Applaud to you
for that.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I thought they addressed a lot of the things that
they were interested in except one.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
We'll talk about a big one. A big one there was.
We're gonna see what happens, if there's anything in the
works or what they're planning to do. But I cannot
imagine them going into training camp and starting everything up
without adding a player that's a wide receiver with experience
at least.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
All right, let's talk about the first round draft pick,
Tyler Booker, Alabama guard. How much of ma an impact
do you think he will make immediately coming right out
of box.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I think he's gonna be a Day one guy. I
don't think he needs too much weight room as a
day one guy like he's powerful right now, that's his profile.
I'm powerful guy, gap exchange guy, I'm IQ guy, and
I'm tough and mean guy, and I'm leadership guy. And
I've been doing this for a long time. It' sec guy,
you know. So I you know, there are some routes
that the Cowboys could have gone right.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
There was a lot of roomors about.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Gray's Abel grays Abel's cool, but North Dakota State ain't Alabama.
His athleticism and all that kind of stuff that's not
gonna move bodies. And Clayton Madams came in and talked about, Hey,
we're gonna move the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's what we want to do.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
So you take Tyler Booker, you pair him with BB
you pair him with big Tyler Smith because it's three titleers.
We got to make sure we say the right names now.
And even Terreen Steele when he was at his best,
when he was working with zag Martin, he was a
people mover. Zach gets hurt or you know, Bass gets
in there, or Hoffman gets in there, then Terrence looks
a little different. Coaching is gonna matter as well. So
(04:12):
I can only imagine that Booker being back will help
tern Steel out. So now we have I wouldn't say
a question mark about four out of our five offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think day one you get a little better O line.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yeah, the overall experience if you look at last year though,
from Tyler Geyton to where you drafted now, Tyler Goeyton
really didn't have a lot of experience and the learning
curve was very, very steep, and we saw that last
year and you know, unfortunately there were times where he
was hurt and unavailable and then at the end of
the season there the coaches are trying to win games
to make maybe make sure that they come back, and
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you know, he lost that opportunity from an experience standpoint.
But when you're talking about Vachua, Stevens mentioned that, like
with Tyler Burr, you have a guy that is lined
up and played in a lot of big time football games.
Dallas Cowboys are going to play in a lot of
big time football games. They got the right guy here.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, I'm super excited to see him come in because
I think he will definitely make an impact immediately. I
don't see him having a very huge learning curve. Obviously,
there's that learning curve that you're automatically gonna have year one.
But I think he's a plugin player and he's gonna
be able to be effective immediately. He's extremely smart. You
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look at his history, everything he's done, starting from high
school all the way up until this point, and even
listening to him the way that he describes things. He's
so graphic, but I love it, like it makes you excited.
He is very confident, and it just makes you believe that, Okay,
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this is someone that's definitely going to come in here
and make history for the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
Also, also, Booker can't get better. There's a lot of
room for him to go. You know, he likes to,
you know, lunge and lean sometimes when he's whooping people,
and you know there's a coach that can tap him
on the show like hey buddy, just keep your balance here,
keep your feet here, keep your hands there. So there's
there's there's room to grow. And I don't know how
the National Football League does, but they find a way
to make people stronger. And he's already strong guy. Next
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year he's gonna be bigger and his neck's gonna be
swollen and he's gonna be strong and like man, Tyler
Booker is even more of what he was good at
this year than he was last year.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
A lot of room to grow him.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Yes, I was looking at some of some different things
I was seeing online, some different film of him playing.
One of the things that stood out to me, As
you were mentioned in Watch, even though his feet sometimes
would get him into bad situations, his strength would allow
him to recover. It would allow him to be able
to get a hand on a guy and then get
himself back into position because he was so strong.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So, especially for a young guy learning the.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
NFL, dealing with with guys that are behemos and guys
that are that are quick, I think that's gonna be
an advantage for him starting out early, until he starts
to figure out some of those technique things.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Yeah, you play, you play in a division with big
time defensive tackles, and you've got to be able to
handle what's going on in Philadelphia that the Giants and
the Commanders that this is this is exactly what you
need to to take on those types of players that
you know, Let's be honest, quarterbacks nowadays, with the way
the ball comes out, it's not always about the edge pressure.
It's about things that happen in the middle of the pocket,
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you know, and if you're not good enough in the
middle of the pocket, defenses find ways to attack.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You a gap.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
And when they attack you a gap, your quarterback can
be in trouble if you're not ready for it.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah, I think we all agree this was a solid
pick for the Cowboys. I think the question that comes
out of this is going into the draft, were the.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Right or wrong?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
A lot of people mocked Matthew Golden wide receiver Texas
going to the Cowboys at twelve? Was this the right
decision from the standpoint of value of player? Obviously they
still need a wide receiver too. I think everybody agrees
with that, and that could have potentially been your wide
receiver too.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But you get a guy who's very solid that you
think you can plug in.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
He plays immediately and he can play for the next
ten years at a very high level. Which was the
better option here from the standpoint of value.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Well, they told you which the better option was to
them because they clearly and we've talked about it on
these platforms, are in Dallas, Cowboys dot Com and myself
on our show at Night, is that they thought that
it wasn't as clear cut to them. It wasn't McMillan
and Golden or even a Buca. It was you know,
there was there was possibly McMillan, and then there was
(08:12):
a gap. You know, as a rookue, he's even part
of that. There's a gap between you know, where they
were going to take some guys there, you know, and
a lot of that, you know, and I I know
with like I said, we've watched I talk and I
take a lot of blame for talking.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
About receiver receiver, receiver receiver.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
In actuality, they were talking about let's just put our
board together and draft our board. Where I might have said, listen,
Golden's the guy you need to do this, you need
to you know. No, they they had a clear gap
and I and I get on them about hey or
I asked them, please just draft your board, just draft
your board, and they did so. To me, you know,
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is it the right decision? Yeah, they don't have a
right guard. And I nothing against Hoffman or TJ. Bass
or anybody else is going to play over there. But
you got a guy that will play ten twelve years
now and play at.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
A very very high level.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
And is you know, in your biggest investment is your quarterback,
and is there going to be a lack of mobility
with your quarterback? You need to keep the front of
the pocket clean. Yeah, it's if he's on his back.
It doesn't matter him throwing them to Golden or anybody else.
It's not gonna work. You gotta find a way. They
drafted their board, you know, and there clearly was a
gap between what we thought with McMillan and any other
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receiver that was on that board.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Something else to think about, too, Brian, is Dak is
older now and think about the moves that they may win.
Romo got a little older, all right. Tony used to
throw the ball forty times a game and throw it everywhere.
We were winning our best football when Tony was throwing
a twenty five just thirty times a game. Right, give
the ball to Murry and pound people up front. So
you know, yeah, Booker's going to be about keeping Dak safe.
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But this is also about we're going to run the
ball more. And if you're keeping Dak safe and you're
throwing the ball less, why receiver two is a knee.
But maybe it's less of a need than what Raguar
would be and this tells you what they think about
Hoffman and look shouts out to hoffin Man. Hoffan does everything,
he does his job and no disrespect to him. But
last year, when Hoffman was projected to be the center,
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we win, got a center that was powerful. And this
year when he was projected to be the right guard,
we went and got a right guard that was powerful.
But I think Hoffman will be around. You know, you
need these guys, you need ten or eleven offensive line.
But just as much as wide receiver was in need,
they looked at the right guard and said that that
was in need as well, and they just thought Booker
was a better dude.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, I definitely think you still obviously need a wide receiver. Yeah,
the way that you look at how they went about it,
I think that they're sticking with exactly what they've been
saying since Brian Schottenheimer took over. He's emphasized the need
of returning that running game, establishing the run, and that's
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where it all starts. You have to have a solid
offensive line that is able not only to protect Dak
because again remembering that he's returning from that injury, but
also be able to create a running game. Create those
gaps for those guys. And we've seen the best football
that has been played here has been when you have
a very solidified offensive line, and I think that's where
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it starts and what they're trying to do here. So
I'm not mad about them going for a guy like him. Actually,
and even after he got here and the way that
he speaks and everything that he said, I'm even more impressed.
And you look at the press conference the way that
Jerry Steven and even Brian Seldon Haimer were looking at him.
While they look like proud Brian looking at him.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They had that proud Bryan. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So it's exciting. It's exciting to see that they're doing
exactly what they've said they're wanting to do, and it's
starting to take some shape and form quickly.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
No, something that just bothers me is I'm just looking
all over the league and I say, boy, Josh Allen
just won a big time game. He only threw the
ball fifteen times. Yeah, or Jalen hurts through for one
hundred and fifteen rushows, they blew somebody out.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
How did this happen?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
They're taking pressure off of their court now when it's
for your quarterback to win, they'll go win and Dak
can't do that. That's proven to you that he can
get into a shootout and throw the ball fifty times
and put points on the board.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He can do that.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
But I get jealous when I see these other quarterbacks
that get the credit. Jimmy Garrappolo won a conference championship
game throwing the ball eleven times, and they say, boy,
Jimmy Grapplo went out there and won a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That doesn't get that.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
So I'm excited that hopefully this year, next year, whatever happens,
that will hopefully start winning games like that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, they're They've been very clear.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
You look at what they've done in the coaching hires
that they've made with Clayton Adams and Connor Riley all
the way to this pick with Booker.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They are.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I was telling somebody the other day, I was like,
for the first time in a little while, I feel
like there is a clear, a very clear strategic path,
Like they know what they want to do, and they
are doing exactly what they want to do, and I
think it's all go to line out.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
In them being able to run the ball.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
And now we will see if they have the running
backs to be able to do the things that they
want to do. They've got some guys in this draft
we'll talk about a little later that we think have
some potential. But all that being said, it is very
clear strategically what they want to do, and that is
to be able to run the ball effectively, and I
think they're they're putting all the pieces in place to
be able to do that.
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Speaker 3 (16:35):
Draft.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Let's get into the second round.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Cowboys draft Edge Donovan as a ROKU from Boston College,
shad out to the Queues. And here's the interesting thing
about him. Everything suggests to me from what I've seen,
from what I've read, the film I've watched, that this
is a really, really, really great player. He was second
in in all of college football with regards to the
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number of sacks, and if I heard the correct he
was first in overall pressures in college.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, I thought I heard that's.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Sixteen Saxon about forty pressures.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, that all being said, why was he available in
the second round?
Speaker 8 (17:10):
He's six y two and Derrick, this is your first
time hearing me say this in Ambar as well. Teams
suck at drafting. Teams aren't very good.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I've heard you say, because I listen to the draft shops.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Team teams aren't good at this.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
And I think sometimes teams have their own measurables and
they'll overthink things and they'll go, well, he's two hundred
and forty pounds. That may not fit the metric that
we're looking for. We want to get a guy like
Mike Keil Williams who doesn't get sacks in the league,
but at least he's about two eighty and he's tall.
But the Cowboys have a type and they love arm
length and Donovan has those has those long arms, brown
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like thirty three inch arms I believe in. And you
see that shine in his pass rushing and he's a
dude that knows how to pass rush right now. And
I just personally feel that if you get sacks in college,
then you will get sacks in the league. He's not
a guy that we're gonna sit around and just wait
on him to pick up pass rushing. He's ready to
go right now. He's solid in the run game for
his size. I don't think he would be a Day
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one run defender right now because the Cowboys have have
run defenders right now. Marshall Niland will be doing run
defending things right now. But as far as your NASCAR package,
I call the end game, Uh, you got Donovan, Micah,
Dante Sam if he gives you anything, you you you
have a lot of names you could just throw at quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, this is uh.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
You know when him and Mike Green from Marshall who
ended up going later in the draft beat, you know,
because of some of the things that he was dealing
with on a personal level and stuff. And the Ravens
I think got a heck of a pick there. But
the thing about it, he was one of if you
ab dua Carter was like the number one guy in
a lot of folks spoorts and then all of a sudden, Hey, now,
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now tell me who the next best pass rushers are.
You know, Donovan was one of these guys. He was
clearly into that, into that way. And you know when
you watched him play, the ability to to bend the corner,
to attack the shoulder, to get low, to finish where
the quarterback is, the fact that they move him around,
he stands up, hand down, left side right. You can
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put them at mike linebacker. This is very much like
what they do with Michael Parsons in that type of player.
And he was.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He was one of the.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Top three pass rushers in this draft. And sometimes the
draft GUIDs do smile on you. And this is another
example I think of Dallas. We didn't go into this
talking about, oh, they're going to draft an edge.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We really didn't.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
We were talking about a lot of at forty four,
we were talking about the possibly of a one technique
defensive tackle. We're talking about running backs. Maybe a cornerback
was in play here, wasn't the edge rusher.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Though.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
This is another great example of them sticking to that
board and drafting the best player on it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Where's you have on yours?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
He was number twenty six.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Twenty Did you give him first round grade? No, that
would be second because he had fifteen first round You
had eighteen first round yeah, fifteen.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
First round grades. Yeah, so I had him at twenty six.
It's funny how the Cowboys drafted for me in reverse order,
Like their first player was my third best player, the
second was the second, and then the third was I had.
I had a revel as a as a number twelve
on my board, so they went in reverse order of
how I would have had it.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Well, again, it just goes to show that just like
you said, they're sticking, they stuck to their board, They
stuck to the type of homework and due diligence that
they had done in preparation to this and went for
a guy that, like you said, Brian, I was not
expecting a defensive end whatsoever for them to draft in
the second round. I was looking at again, wide receiver
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and those positions they're running back especially, but not a
guy like him. But then you start watching him and
you're like Okay, yeah, this makes sense. Okay, I see why. Yeah,
So I think again, he has that type of physique
that the Cowboys like and that will be impactful. And
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I think you start throwing him into the mix, they're
gonna ease him into action. But the combination of a
guy like him with everybody else, especially Micah, I think
can be very very powerful.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
One of the things that stands out to me.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
You look back at twenty twenty three, I think the
Cowboys had, in my opinion, the best, if not one
of the best pass rushes in the NFL. They lost
Durrance Armstrong, they lost Dante Fowler. Now going into twenty
twenty five, they also lose Tank Clarence, They lose Chauncey Golston.
They now have Azaraku, Sam Williams will be coming back
from injury. Marshawn Neeland, who did some things last year.
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I don't think it was a bad year for him
as a first year player with the injury that he had.
You get Dante Fowler back, Do you guys think they
are back now from the standpoint of the horses that
they had in twenty twenty three? Are they back now
from the standpoint of the bodies they need in order
to have that kind of effective pass rush. Obviously Michael
Parson's being the main stay there.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
If you dress, if you dress the six of the
ten for a game, then, like you say, we'll see
what happens. I mean, you got a couple of guys
with Turner and Niland that are better run defenders, and
then you've got four legitimate pass rush guys. They could
come at you that way. And so yeah, I I
like I like the combination. Uh there was it always
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you know, was you got to think about, Okay, what
are the guys that are going to play left in
who's going to play when you know a lot of
teams are right handed and when they run the football,
are you going to have some people over that? I
think they protected themselves, like I say, Neil, And as
you mentioned, Derek was getting better as a pass rusher
until he got hurt. And then once he got hurt,
then you know he had to kind of restart things
all over again, missing that time. But him and Turner
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on that left side, and then now you mix and
match the others, you know with with Micah, Yeah, you're
back to that level. I really liked what I saw
from Fouler last year playing from the Commanders, Yeah, he
played well, yeah, it was it was more than that.
He double ditch.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think he had ten.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
It's ten and a half, so yeah, to me, that's
he was actually playing the run pretty well. So that
that that right, there is a bonus as well. So
if you're going to dress six uh six linemen are
six ends every week, two of them could play the
adge against the run and then you got the other
four that can get after you.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
What'll be different is sometimes Tank Lawrence would find himself
on the field just because he's Tank Lawrence, but he
wasn't pass rush guy, but seniority would just have him
on the field in some kind of way. I don't
think the Cowboys are gonna fall for that this year.
I think they got pass rushers in their pass rush
category and they got to run guys, and if it's
a NASCAR type situation, I don't think you're gonna see
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Tanker on the field. I actually looked up the number.
Donovan has sixty pressures. Sixty that's a lot. Yes, it's
a ton, and it's not like he's pressure guy and
he's not getting sacks. He still has six he and
to have sex to account for. So you know, Donovan
being a rookie in a pure pass rush role, that'll
definitely work for him. Shout out to you, Donovan, day one,
you will be ready. But if Sam gives you anything,
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what's the number? If Sam gives you eight sacks, seven sacks.
If Sam gives you give me six, well play sacks,
I'm good. I'll celebrate. I'll celebrate Sam being your fourth
guy giving you six sacs. So I think they had
the opportunity to be better than that crew, but we
just have to see all Let's.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Talk about the third round pick. Cowboys pick up a cornerback,
a Savonne Revel out of East Carolina, and he missed
most of last year with an injury for those that
don't know, but how much do you think that injury
is going to affect his ability to be able to
play immediately? Because I think for the Cowboys, particularly at
the cornerback position, one of the challenges for them is
what's going to happen early. You already got Trayvon Diggs
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coming back from an injury. What do you think is
the prospect that he'll be ready to play early in
the season when you probably will need that kind of reinforcement.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
This is one of my favorite players in the draft,
and if he had not had the knee injury, he
would be the top corner likely off the board. His length,
his reach is incredible. The thing that got me excited
about him as a player is a couple of things.
I know doctor Dan Cooper and how what a outstanding
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surgeon he is, and how he puts these players back together,
you know. I mean there's several of them, and there's
people in the National Football League other teams that come
and see doctor Cooper and let him do the knee
searcheres because he's that damn good. You're in a situation
too with Britt Brown, and I've worked with Britt for
fourteen fifteen years. I know what he could do to
get guys back on the field. This guy has a
tremendous attitude, He has a tremendous work ethic. He wants
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he wants it very badly. And you pair him up
with a guy like Britt Brown who will push him.
And he's been working here in Dallas, you know, on
his rehab stuff, and now Britt's going to get a
chance to have him out on the field and working
with him every day, I would say this thing is
probably going to be more sooner than later about him
and his ability to come back and be and once
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again play at a very high level. This guy is long,
he's rangy, he's physical. There was a game where you
watch him play against Michigan where the ball goes on
the goal line and you're thinking it's going to be
a touchdown and he steps up at the two yard line,
meets the back on the edge and drives the back
back into and for no gain. Sometimes these corners just
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give up, give it the matador, the ola, whatever. This
kid's not that way. There's a lot of toughness in
his body and he's a very determined player. I think
they stole one here, I really really do. And I
think that that again, it's about your board. It was
where they had him on the board. This was my
twelfth best player overall. With the injury. I loved watching
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this kid play and I said, you listen, I know
doctor Cooper. I know he's going to fix this kid,
and wherever he goes, he's going to be okay. He
just happened to show up in my backyard, and I'm
really happy about it.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yeah, this is the best value pick that the guy
was made in this draft, and a guy like him,
I mean I expected something like this more inc with
that second round pick, because that's historically what the coup
was do in the second round. And then they picked
Don't event and I'm like, Okay, made it out of
that one. And then we go and draft a guy
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like him, and I'm like, if I'm being honest, my
thing is, yeah, I'm all for a good recovery story.
But if I pick you, I want you healthy and
ready to play. Now ready to go. But again, everything
that you just said, Brian, Obviously, the Cowboys are not
just randomly picking guys. They do all the work that
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they need to do, and especially trusting the doctor that
he had the surgery with, they have a good understanding
of everything that went on with that injury. And he's
expected to be ready, hopefully by training camp or beginning
of week one of the season, so it's not like
he's expected to be out the whole season. He will
be able to at least contribute at some point this year.
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I would imagine that we get a chance to see
him on the field for sure.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
I think sooner than later with him his demeanor and
Britt's determination. That is a very good combination right there.
We see what Britt was able to do with overshown
and others. You know, he's really good at this rehab stuff,
and you know he understand you know, Brett knows the
importance of that. We're a little down right now here
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at corner. They got to get this guy ready. There
can't be any questions about him being ready for the season.
It's got to be. Hey, we got to get him
ready for week one to go out there and be
ready to play.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
You know, just as a college player, just as a prospect.
He's better than what Digs was. He's better than what
Bland was. Now it matters when you get to the league,
you know, because they know he has not played it
down yet, so I don't want to put that on him.
But just watching his film versus those those guys, just
height weight, coming up and tackling speed like man covers,
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zone covers, whatever you want to do. He didn't have
a lot of picks because he was dropping Brian bro Is.
Just watching this film, he'll get close to those picks.
We just wouldn't hold on to him. Hey, man, what
is coaching for.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
You know what I mean, fix up?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You know we're machines for right, put him on.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
The jugs, Brian. But Revel, I think this is where
me and Brian disagree a little bit, because knees are tricky,
and he plays corner cornerback's knee those So what I
would have wanted if the Cowboys were to double up anywhere,
I would have wanted them to draft another corner so
that now we could at least go all right, Rebel,
if you show up to training camp and you are
who you are, good, but just in case you're not,
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we'll have another guy that we could play, and we
can just bring you along at your own pace, and
then maybe year two and year three you would be
who you are. And one more thing that kind of
bothers me about this is I've been waiting for this
big three at corner for so long, but guys just
keep getting hurt here. We never get the all three
corners on the field the same time, even wide receiver.
But I think Rebel's gonna be Digs insurance for the walls.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Well, let me tell you this, I'm more concerned about
Diggs than I am Rebel. Yeah, for sure, that's just
being honest right there. I mean, that's you know, when
you start to talk about how to come back and
get back and be ready to go. I have more
concerned about Digs than I do the other kid.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Well, I think from the way they're looking at it,
to your point, Vatch, I think they're thinking that Elam
is that guy that gives them that kind of insurance
in case Rebel isn't ready to go immediately. Whether that
proves to be true or not, who knows, but I
think that's how they at least will look at it.
And as you say, Brian, I know you you're a
big fan of Kaylen Carson. There's still of hope that
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that he's going to develop and that the injury was
more of what we saw last year that that maybe
that's why he didn't develop in the way they wanted
to throughout the year, more so than than him just
not developing. So I think they're gonna they have hopes
for both of those guys. I know hope is not
a strategy, but I think they have hope. I know,
but that but that's that's how they're thinking about it,
and and so when they look at it, they may
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say hey, we we got one corner. We'll add him
to the mix of the other guys we got and
hopefully one of these guys steps into that role at
least until Dix can be back. All right, let's talk
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Everything Welcome Back, final segment of the Break Life. In
that WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk. Fifth round,
Cowboys select running back Jayden Blew out of Texas Longhorns.
What do you guys think? What do you think of
the pick? And and where he fits? Immediately, I'll tell
you what I think. First of all, he is a guy.
I look at him and my my my standard for
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him because I think some people are like man, he
never really started at Texas. The thing about is Texas
has so much talent at this point, it's kind of
like a Georgia Bama these other things, like you can
have a deep room. I think to Shark Choice, who
was their coach in college, put out this picture of
the bench and you could see it from the back,
and they had all five running backs that were at
there at the time, all the way up to b
John Robinson and they all are now in the NFL.
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I look at this very similar to what happened with
Priest Holmes coming out of Texas. When I was at school,
Priest Holmes was there and Preece Holmes was a He
was an extra guy. He didn't really do a whole
lot of Texas he went undrafted, he went in, and
the rest is history with what he did in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I think Jayden.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Blue has the kind of skill that makes him an
interesting prospect. He's extremely fast. He's actually not what you
typically you think of a bass guy. You think he's
just out running everybody to the outside. That's not his game.
He actually runs up the gut quite a bit. But
he's quick with It's not just speed, it's quickness. He
knows how to move and maneuver football player with track speed. Yeah, yeah,
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really is, and so he can do a lot. He
can he can catch the ball well out of the backfield.
I think all the way around, this is a really
really good player that you're able to get in the
fifth round. It just speaks to again what all said
and what you guys have been saying the whole draft season.
This was a very, very very deep running back class.
To get somebody of this caliber in the fifth round.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Yeah, when we had a chance to talk to you know,
coach Adams about the you know, I asked him the question,
what are you looking for in a running back in
this scheme? And the one thing he said was contact balance.
This kid right here is one of the best in
the nation when it came to contact yards after contact,
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and you could see him just his ability to break
people down in.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Space where that movie just pounced somebody.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Yeah, you know, he he was one of the best
in the country when it came to He would get
hit behind the line of scrimmage and still manage three
and a half yards of carry after getting hit. So
he has that kind of ability to make people miss.
He is outstanding when it comes to his ability to
run inside to show toughness. You know, he's not a
small guy. He's five ninety's one hundred and ninety six pounds.
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That's a thick guy. You know, he's he's he's not
one of these guys you just have to worry about
the wear and tear on him. Is is you know,
I don't think that's going to be a problem. The
questions that people have always had about him is the
ball security. That's the thing, and you wonder is this
something that he's going to have to deal with. You know,
my own personal experience as a former person pro personnel
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guy and an advanced scout, if I knew there was
a player that you could try and knock the ball
out of his hands and attack the ball or tackle
the ball, and he was going to give it up.
This is something that this kid is going to fight
with and he's going to have to prove to people
that the ball security is not a problem. And once
he does that, then you'll get people to kind of
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to stay away from that. But his reputation as being
a guy that has toughness, but the ball security could
be the question.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That's the one thing that I think kept him.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
Down the board a little bit was the fact that
he that would happen to him. And if people are
going to try and tackle the ball on him, if
they have success, teams are going to continue to try
and tackle the ball on him. That film will not
go away.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
Also, two Cowboy fans, hear me out, we don't have
a wire receiver too. I understand, don't get upset, but
we have a Jaden Blue and he will catch a
ton of passes. He's not a pass catching running back
in a way of I'm gonna run a Texas route,
I'm gonna run a swing, that's it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
He will line up a.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Slot, he will run cons, he will run posts, he
will set linebackers in watch the Clemson game and he
will throw head fakes at you, hand fakes at you.
He will run all types of routes looking for different
mismatches or whatnot. And and I think that's where he's
really going to excel. Shouts out the Deuce man. Deuce
is gonna have to, you know, fight for his life
a little bit because Deuce was a pass catcher, but
a little bitty jade.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Jay Dunn is a little taller, he's a better pass rusher,
He's a little thicker than Douce, So, uh, he's gonna
have the edge there. But I don't think you're gonna
be missing a whole bunch of running back you know. Uh,
you know pass attempts with him. I mean, he's gonna
be taking it. And then once he catches it, he
turns into a four to two guy again and catch
real quick.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Derek, if I could, you know, the whole thing with
the second wide receiver, there's clearly yeah, you would love
to be able to address that somehow, some way, whether
it's a trade, free agent signings, there's there's opportunities. You know,
you talk to people in the organization, they'll tell you, hey,
we're looking at a lot of wide receivers. I'm very
encouraged by that part of it all. But now if
you find a way you get Blue involved, you got Lamb,
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how about Jake Ferguson as well. Can you get a
bounce back from Jake Ferguson as well?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Can you mix in Cavante turn and you mix in
Turpin as well.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
So hopefully you'll have ways to distribute the ball and
make up for But I do believe they are going
to go get a receiver that somehow, some way that
you know, and you've also got you know, June one cuts.
You know, you want to be able to have to
have the ability to have the finances to be able
to go if somebody does get cut, that you can
go get them and put them, make them part of
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the roster. I I don't think we're I don't think
they're they've they've they're done by any means trying to
add weapons to this football team.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Just that though, like that makes me happy that they're
at least aware that wide receiver tool in need. Like
if we're not hearing anybody talk about, like there's no
reports about them looking at wide receiver too, would I
would be befuddled and the Cowboys will do it. They'll
look us right behind and be like, hey, me going
tober does it step up? And that'll be what simmy,
Simmy got a step up, y'all, like like they've been
telling you, it happens. So the fact that there are
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reports saying, hey, the Cowboys are looking into it, chill out,
that makes me chill out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
I mean, I guess you guys described them pretty well.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
I talk about them.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
You're good. But just like you guys said, he's a
very versatile guy. And I love the fact that he
can catch the ball. But I'm not gonna lie. It
does give me a pit in my stomach when I
do see some of those highlights where he does lose
the ball, Because we've seen that happen here, and I
don't think that's something that you can easily correct. It's
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gonna take some time for him to improve in that area.
So that's definitely something to be extremely aware of, and
hopefully this coaching staff is able to give him the
right training to improve in that, but it will be
something that will take a little bit.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Yeah, I think they fixed it on on the program,
so I think they just might need to do some
of that, and maybe that when all of y'all's head,
do y'all not watch did y'all not watch the program.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I was born?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think I.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Don't think it was necessarily a fumble alert.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
I just think that he forgets that he needs to
keep it hind tight sometimes and when he's trying to
extra well, Murray was a fumbler, like he like will
be Green Bay or whatever. He'll just he'll know that
he's higding. You'll see Demark or Murray have the ball
high and tight. And if you're saying he had the technique,
he just he just fumbled and it could but the.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Result is the same. The ball is on the ground
either way.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
But I guess that's but what I'm saying, Like jay
Nun has the ball down here, and when he does
his you know, flipping and running things, you know, it
kind of loosens up a little bit. I think you
can beat ball like high and tight into him, like being.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
High technique basically.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And it could have been his big old muscles.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
I don't know what was making him fumbling football, but
Murray could not stop putting the ball on the ground.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
It was not dead as as fault.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Yeah, I will tell you this, and I'm just being
fair as a cow, as a Texas Texas fan who
watched all those games, there was a point in the
season where you were kind of like every time he
got the ball, you were like, because you were like,
good things could happen, bad things could happen, right, It
just so, it was. It was a problem.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
It certainly was if they had a rotation of some
outstanding backs. Wonder like late in the season, did the
coaching staff there determined that, Listen, we as much as
we love throwing him the ball and handing him the ball,
is there that that thread of him maybe putting the
ball on the ground. Derek, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't remember the Washington game in the playoffs? Was
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that a? It was a fumble one?
Speaker 6 (41:53):
I know, yeah there was a big, big game where
he had a big fun but I can't remember Washington.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
YEA, so to me that I think it was. But yeah,
that's that to me is the only thing wrong with
this player. I agree that you watch him with when
he can make you, he could punish you, and I
mean punish you in the way of making you miss
and making huge plays. This guy's a finisher. I mean,
you hand him the ball, he could score from anywhere
on the field. He's got that kind of speed.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yep, yep, all right, we only have a couple more
minutes here, so real quick. I wanted to get you
guys thought on fifth round pick linebacker Shamar James out
of Florida or your thoughts on him and what can
he contribute to What I think is again another position
that has, because of what they did in free agency,
become pretty deep. I don't know if they have a
lot of great players, but I think they got a
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lot of good players.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
What does he fit?
Speaker 8 (42:43):
I wasn't the biggest fan of him. You know, when
I'm watching linebackers, I like to see you know, running, hitting,
and like processing. I don't want to see you lost
out there, and James got lost a little bit.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
I don't think he'll fit you as a Mike linebacker
type guy. But I gotta go back and watch and
see how the Cowboys look at him, because they look
at him as a will pass rushing guy. So what
I need to do is go to the film and
just ignore all the you know, this linebacker thing, this
linebacker thing, and just think about him as a pass
rushing will linebacker guy, and maybe that's why they like
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him so much, But just me watching him, he gets
lost a bunch. If it's any any kind of misdirection motion,
he's lost. He's gone and he and he's guessing. And
I don't want to see guys guessing because if you
guessing gamble, then.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
You're all the way wrong.
Speaker 8 (43:28):
But he's a He's sometimes the most athletic looking player
on that defense, and he didn't test that way, but
just watching him run around, you can see the burst
and athleticism on him. So I'm gonna go back and
watch him with cowboy eyes. But just me watching him
initially and trading up for him, I didn't see a person.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Can I ask real quick before before we move on, please,
when you say that, do you think that part of
it goes back to what you're talking about with fumbling.
If you're saying that, he looks lost a lot, especially
when you're in motion that kind of thing. He's got
something that being in the NFL and being around professionals
and the right kind of coaching can get him right
in that way, because it is something you just have
to learn.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Though he has a lot of jobs that he will.
He will get there you go.
Speaker 8 (44:07):
But if he's at will and you go, your only
is first back out. Yeah, whatever, the first back out is,
that's your job. If you narrow his job down, he's
athletic enough to be decent.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Way there we go.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Will linebacker.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Let him be straight lined rush guy, because that's something
he could absolutely do. His instincts, as Vosh says, are
not always great. I don't these coaches talk about putting players,
were about pen and poll. We don't got pen and
poll lineman. We're not gonna pin and pull. So make
this kid a will linebacker. Let him run to the ball,
let him use this explosiveness, let him use his straight
line speed. Don't put him a lot of coverage situations,
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but figure out ways to kind of use play to
his strengths. Initially, I think that's what you have to do.
But the instincts were a little bit of a problem
with him. When you watch this tape.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, I think the one position that you absolutely need
to have really great instinct is linebacker for sure. And
he's a guy that at least I think the Cowboys
did address a need like linebacker. We know that the
Cowboys are dealing with the injuries there and the Marvio
and Ovashaw not being there. So I think he does
add the depth. He's not going to be a guy
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that I would expect to make any immediate impact, but
you look at special teams and that's an area that
he can definitely contribute at. But I do think this
is more of a big of addressing a need rather
than the guy that they mostly want.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
We've seen my guy, Damone Clark, and we all kind
of think Damone Clark, Katy is a good looking player,
why does he make more plays? He lacks instincts when
you don't find the ball. And we've had some of
the best to ever find the ball here. Sean Lee's
that win. We've had some guys here they can find
extra Cokeley, find the ball, get there, make plays, you know,
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but we've also seen Damone Clark, and Damone Clark, as
good looking as he is, when you don't find the
ball well and you get lost that way, then that's
a little bit of a problem.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
All right, you guys join us.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
You see what I mean. At the started the.
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Show, Tommy is strong.
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Toya is changing.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
The way we don't get on the way for free.
We got next week. We got guys, ask him if
he's inviting you back next week.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Maybe maybe, maybe, But we got I think we got
like six or seven shows left before we get the
training camp.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
So so we're gonna hold some of this content. We'll
be back next week. Make sure we got someone talking
about Texas player for thirty minutes. Yeah, I mean, god what.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
We will open the next show talking about Jayden Blue
hook them you guys join us for a bout to
some body.
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