Cowboys Break: Ooh Shiesty

Bryan Broaddus, Nick Harris, Voch Lombardi, and Ambar Garcia discuss the addition of George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys, Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes? Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ready for a break? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
And so much for that.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
Hello, guys, welcome back to another episode of The Break
presented by LG. Derek is not here today, but we
got Nick, we got a watch, and then we got
Brian in studio. A lot of excitement this morning, welcome
to the Big News. A lot of fans seem very
very happy about this recent trade that the Cowboys made.

(00:58):
They've gone out and gyan wide receiver George Pickens. And
this was a deal that they make with Pittsburgh Steelers.
They basically got Pickens and at twenty twenty seven six
round pick for the draft in twenty twenty seven in
exchange for a twenty twenty six third round pick and
at twenty twenty twenty twenty seven fifth round pick from

(01:23):
the Dallas Cowboys. So how are you guys doing, How
are you feeling? Tell me your initial reaction to these
late latest news that the Cowboys did.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
If I could explain my twelve hours in the in
two words, it would probably be extremely exhausting. But it's
it's it's a good it's a good trade man, it's
it's fun. We're gonna have a lot to talk about,
especially not even on the show, I mean throughout the
course of the next couple of years. It's this is
a high risk, high reward type type type of ordeal.

(01:54):
I want to get these guys thoughts on it before
I go too far into it, but I can't. I'd
be remiss if I did not mention the parking hell
that is the star this weekend. If you plan on
coming down here, be ready to find a parking spot
that ACMs have this place as an absolute zoo. So
that's why I was late. Chris Beam, you can donk
me for that. But other than that, it's been a crazy,
crazy last twelve hours.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know, Cowboy fans get a gift waking up this morning.
You know, the past few weeks, months or so, we
were thinking, all right, it could be a thirty year
old wire receiver. You know, maybe somebody's at the end
of their prime or maybe we'll get lucky with a
fifth round guy that we drafted something like that, and
Cowboys say, no, hang tight. And then you get this
wire receiver one B. I'm not gonna call him a
wire receiver. To this wire receiver one B that Woo's

(02:37):
top tier corners by himself. You pair him with the
guys you have in the quarterback you have. I don't
want to take too many talking for us and be
like Nick Brian please, I'm just I'm just thrilled right now.

Speaker 8 (02:45):
Yeah, this one was done without a safety net. You know,
if you look at it, really it's a one year
deal right now, and then with the Cowboys with some
of the contracts that they have coming up. But it
is a bold move. It is there, you know, to
lay out a third and a fifth for a player
that you might I just only have for one year.
But you know, you got to like the excitement of it.
You know, we've we're all kind of talking about we're

(03:06):
thinking about maybe a veteran receiver. Maybe it was Amari Cooper,
you know, but they were talking. They were thinking bold.
They were thinking to go out and get a guy
that could absolutely help him in this particular player Ambart
he can help this football team.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
Can we start there with the contract thing, please, because
that's that's I think is the most fascinating piece of
it immediately, right is because I spent probably an hour
last night talking to somebody in Pittsburgh. I have a
really a good friend of mine that I grew up
with that plays for the Steelers.

Speaker 9 (03:34):
I called him this morning.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
I've talked to a few people about what George Pickens
situation is or was I guess in Pittsburgh they were
fully expecting him to make their life hell this offseason.
They were saying he was going to hold out for
a contract. That's what they were preparing for. That's why
that they wanted to go ahead and deal them. That
came from the source, now, from the players, like this
is kind of one of those guys in your locker room. Yeah,
he's the bad kid in class. But with the bad

(03:58):
kid in class that all the kids love and all
the team and you know, I think that could be
a fascinating dynamic in the locker room. You know, how
does that exactly work for the teachers here in Dallas?
But it's gonna be fascinating. But I want to start
with that contract part because if they are not signing
him to a deal now, and they're basically saying, hey,

(04:19):
one year rental, prove it, you have to play worst
case scenario in that same instance as well. In the
worst case scenario is either one of two things. One,
he doesn't work out, he's a bad apple, and it
becomes a situation where you look back at this trade
and you're like, man, Pittsburgh dealt with a lot of
hell that they didn't really show on the surface. A
La Antonio Brown or the other worst case scenarios that

(04:43):
he absolutely balls out. He gives you fourteen hundred yards
and ten touchdowns and you can't afford him next time,
and he moves on and you're out a third and
a fifth round pick. If it were me, I'd get
the deal done now. I'd be like, hey, George Pickens,
you want twenty twenty five million, Sure, let's do it.

Speaker 9 (04:58):
Let's get it done right now.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Pickens doesn't want to do it, then you figure out
a price that works for both sides. That would be me,
But I do know that you also have to factor
in that it might not work out with him from
a risk standpoint, But that I think is the most
fascinating part of this immediately, Well.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's a third though, so you would imagine that the
Cowboys have to walk into this thing with some good
vibes and some possibility that them thinking that this could work.
It's like this isn't some throwaway fit for like they
love their their third round picks, they don't play about
third round picks. So in my mind, I think the
Cowboys are ready to extend him. Maybe not today, maybe
after tomorrow. They probably want to wait around to see

(05:34):
a little bit. But I think the Cowboys just rolling
dice again. Hey man, we got a leader in here,
we got number four up in here. We got a
number one receiver that can make his life a little
bit better. We're gonna win some games. We ain't got
to worry about Kenny Pickett walking around here. You know,
Russell Wilson, will you know you earn you earn, You
earn all of this respect in different ways. You don't
just roll out and say, hey we're Pittsburgh, We're this

(05:56):
prestigious organization and you're gonna respect us. You get respect
wins and dues that demand respect. I think four as
a guy that can then you have a master's in
like leadership or something. Somebody he knows how to deal
with guys like this. Lamb Lamb is already cool when
right there their friends are right. I think this is
a better homey vibe than we're prestigious Pittsburgh and you
better do x y z no.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
I think that Nick's absolutely right. And talking to people
in Pittsburgh, you know they they talk about him in
the locker room. That's not a problem about him. And
it always reminds me though, if people start to say,
and I know there were some people on Twitter that
we're making some comments I know in my direction, were
about well, there goes culture, there goes all the things
that we talked about in the draft that Brian Schottenheimer

(06:39):
and all that. Let me remind you that one time
Jim Garrett, Jason Garrett's father, said in the draft room
and talking about Randy Moss, guys, this is the NFL.
It's not the boy scouts. You know, this culture. It's
if they're building some things, it's really about getting great
football players. It's about trying to find great football players.
Add great football players so you can heat with the

(07:00):
teams in the NFC and hopefully you can go through
the playoffs and hopefully you can get to a super Bowl.
But you don't do that without great players. This guy
is a great player, and you're willing to put up
with You're willing to even put up with the having
to maybe part with a third fifth round pick, and
you might not get this deal done, you know, but
that there, there is your there is you're all in

(07:21):
move in my opinion, you know, we've kind of given
Jerry Jones a lot of grief about that, that like, oh,
we're all in? What's this all in? No for you
to you know, as much as his team loves draft
picks for them to part with, and you know, people say, well,
Dan brought us they part with a fourth round pick
all the time. Okay, you know that's their way of
trying to maybe address address and need here. But to

(07:42):
to to throw out a third and a fifth for
a player that doesn't have a contract or for next
year or after this year, I think is a very
bold move because I think this guy is going to
come in and play very very well for you.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Plus, Brian, what's the point of having leaders then and
not lead guys like this?

Speaker 9 (07:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
You don't just bring in leaders to lead of the leaders.
You you bring in leaders just in case you.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
Have some immaturity problems with this guy. I don't think
there's some immaturity problems with this guy. And you know,
but and he's a very fiery, emotional player. When you
watch him play, you could see how important it is
to him. And there's going to be some times where
probably body language is not great and things like that.
But you just got to find a way to be
able to deal with that. And people will probably say, well, damn,

(08:24):
Mike Tomlin was one of the best in the league,
you know, having to deal with these these problematic receivers.
But they've kind of moved on when they felt like
they needed to move on from a guy, they've moved on.
So they have to feel good about the deal, just
as good as Dallas feels about getting the player. You know,
we'll see which side of this actually wins out. But
I have no problem with going out and getting a

(08:44):
player like this.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
To him, maybe all right, no, you're good.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
No, I was gonna say, I don't think going back
to the contract situation. I don't think you were the
Cowboys and make a decision a trade like this without
a plan in mind. I think they do have a
plan in mind, and we'll see how it takes to
effect later on. And I do have in my rundown
for today Brian Schottenheimer and the culture that he's implementing
trying to implement here. We'll touch and we'll get back

(09:10):
to that later and talk about how a guy like
him coming in to hear how that could change things around.
But in the meantime, I want to go back and
talk about what kind of player he is in the
last two years, what you guys have seen around the league,
and what he's done over there in Pittsburgh. We know
he's been with different quarterbacks. How does he look, what
does he do, and how would he work alongside ceedy Lamb.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Throw the ball to him, He'll find it. Just throw
it down there somewhere he'll find it. His ability to
find the ball in the air, whether it's somebody latched
on to him, whether he's wide open him tracking the ball,
that's where he really gets busy there, and whether it's
accurate or not. You know, whether he's tracking hands up, slow,
you know, trail technique, whatever you want to do. He's physical.
He's a yat guy with the ball in his hands.

(09:55):
I just can't say enough. And if you watch him
and you know y'all can do the little filters, you know,
deep pass, he's the best deep ball receiver in the league.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
And that's not my opinion.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
Metrics will tell you that. The metrics tell you all that.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
That's the metrics and the numbers saying there, right. So
I think if you're Dak and you're used to throwing
the ball to five nine receivers or five eleven receivers deep,
now you get a six three catch ratis dude that
that tracks it and just catches everything, jumps over guys
sometimes I think it's a slam dump.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
The physicality jumps off the page, no doubt. And this
is a stat that was thrown out by a guy
on Twitter this morning named ray Gie.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
I'm Sorrygie, I don't know who you are.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
We're giving you credit here from twenty twenty two to
twenty twenty four, so over the course of the last three.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
D I love Raggie, Nick.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Please, he's a cube, by the way, so Derek would
have loved Reggie so exactly.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Uh O, ragg Sorry, it's not ray j about you
say a video involved here?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Please? Nick finish what hellge saying.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
George picked his his three most success full routes over
the course of the last three seasons in order go route,
hitch out out route, Dak Prescott's three most successful routes
in order hit trout out route, go route. I mean
this is a perfect combination, or a perfect marriage, I
guess you could say from a Dak to Pickens perspective.

(11:18):
And Dak hasn't had that true outside presence since early
in his career when Does Bryant was still around, and
this is a guy that he can rely on. I mean,
we saw it briefly with Michael Gallup, but I think
George Pickens is going to give you a different element
here because he's he's got the speed, he certainly has
a physicality, and he's going to open up so much
for ceed Lamb. Honestly, though, if I'm looking at the

(11:39):
receiver room, yes this benefits Cede Lamb. Yes, it benefits
George Pickens too. I think he's gonna end up having
a better career. This is gonna benefit Jonathan Mingo so much.
I think going into twenty twenty five, this is a
guy that you know before this trade, you were saying gosh,
they need Jonathan Mingo to step up. Now, it's hey,
Jonathan Mingo can develop and do what he needs to do.

(12:00):
And let's say worst case scenario doesn't work out for
George Pickens, then they have a year of development with
Jonathan Mingo without the need the pressing need to continue
to develop him.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
I mean, from a football perspective, this is.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
A slam dunk home run, grand slam, whatever you want
to call it, whatever other pseudonym you want to call it,
but it's it's the off the field stuff that's gonna
make it so so polarized.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Don't worry about the off Just think positive things right now,
back to Mingo, real fast. Mingo doesn't even have to
be wire receiver. Three Ferguson is going to be the
first guy to celebrate that. And then, like jay N,
I'm blue. If you want those one on ones with
linebackers and safeties, eat them up.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Play you.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
If you Mingo, you're really like fifth or sixth that
some team will really worry about. Come on, man, come on, please, man,
this guy.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Is not gonna make you ever forget about Amari Cooper
running routes. That's just not his game. He's not a
route runner. This guy is a there's some a there's
some playground element to the way he plays football. And
if you embrace that, you're gonna get the best version
of this player, because when you do watch him, if
you think he's gonna plan it twelve yards and make
the outcut. Yeah, we talked about the vertical route. His

(13:00):
ability to separate is his his physicality. Nick brought that up.
His ability to get his hands inside or get his
shoulder inside, and to push and to gouge for space.
This is what this guy does. And I think Vatch
made an excellent point about this guy. His ability to
track the football I think is rare. He never loses

(13:22):
side of the football. And I think the routes that
he ran at Pittsburgh, and maybe it had a little
bit to do with the quarterback situation there, that they
didn't really have a bunch of route combinations. But you
put this guy in bunch cover or in bunch formations,
let it scatter, let him run across the routes, let
him catch the ball on the move, bring him in
motion out out of the slot on third down, and

(13:43):
throw him the ball in the flat and watch him
get a first down. Now, this guy with ball in hand,
he could be a pain in the ass to deal
with because of his ability and his desire to want
to get every yard he can out of the play.
So this guy's got an element to him. Like I said,
it's got a little playground to it. But man, he

(14:03):
is a fun guy to watch play when it's when
he's got it rolling.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
They really just did get their gen z, does Bryant?
I mean that's I think that is exactly.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
I think they absolutely.

Speaker 9 (14:13):
I think they.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
I think they. I think they did. Uh. You know,
you watch him and you're like, going, man, that route,
I you know what? What was that? You know what?
But but he finds a way to get open. Yeah,
and no, yeah, he's he's he's working Certan, he's working
the guy in Atlanta, the Jets, the Jet He's working
all those guys. And he's doing it not because they're
scared to death of him, because they know how physical

(14:35):
he plays, the top of the route and his ability
to drive them off the ball, and all of a
sudden they're thinking he's going deep and then he plants
and comes back to the ball. You know, the comebacks,
the curls, the things like that you know, and and
he's and he's and he's got that ability to wherever
the ball is, high, low, wide on the ground, on
top of his shoes, wherever it is, he can go

(14:56):
low and get the football. This guy's got that kind
of ability. It's it's it's impressive to watch and play.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
Let's go ahead and take our first break. When we
come back, we're going to dive into a little bit
deeper the whole culture thing that Brian Schottenheimer is trying
to build here with the Cowboys, and what a guy
like him, with that type of personality and everything that
we've been hearing how he's been over there in Pittsburgh.
What that can mean for the Cowboys in bringing in

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All right, guys, we you guys already hinted at the
fact that was you you said in the first segment
you said hell like three times?

Speaker 8 (18:56):
Did yeah?

Speaker 9 (18:57):
Oh my bad God?

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Probably since that is like, hey, hey, got out of
your math.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Okay, so you guys are really hinted at the fact
that he's shown some behavioral issues over there that might
be a little hard to work with when you're a coach.
So as far as culture, we've seen a whole lot
of what Brian Schottenheimer is really trying to build here.
He's a very player coach. He builds those relationships. But

(19:26):
he's also shown in the way that he's spoken to
the media that he's not afraid to discipline people and
be tough and hard on people to make sure that
everyone's doing what they are supposed to do and asked
to do. With a guy like him, again, what are
you guys expecting this merge to be? Is he going

(19:48):
to be a type of player that you see? Okay,
he takes this as a new opportunity into Okay, now
I'm here in this new environment. I'm gonna do what
I'm told and not behave this or that way or
are you guys expecting in the long term because of
the personality that this might turn out to be a problem.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
I don't think I have expectations right now. I think
there's a wide range of things that could happen, and
you know, you take what you get in any sense.
We were talking in the break and I think Brian
made a good point. He's like, if it doesn't pan out,
at least they tried. And I think this is definitely
a talent worth trying on, you know, from a character standpoint. Again,

(20:28):
talking to that player that played with Pickings on the
same team over the course of the last couple of
years the locker room, they like this guy. He is
a likable player amongst his peers. It's just he's kind
of the bad kid in class that the teachers really
hate seeing walk through the door every day. So it's
going to be a fascinating situation. However, given what Brian

(20:50):
Schottenheimer has shown over the course of the first couple
of months on the job, what he said over the
first couple of months on the job, I think this
is a challenge he's going to be facing head on,
and I'm sure this is going to be one that
you know, Schottenheimer takes under his wing to get ahead
of problems before they before they manifest. This is nothing
to gets Mike McCarthy, But if Mike McCarthy was still

(21:11):
in the building, I would have a lot more concerns
about how this would pan out.

Speaker 9 (21:14):
Still have concerns, but I think Brian Schottenheimer is better
equipped to deal with the deal with the player like this.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Honestly, whide receivers have been divas my whole life. I've
been around football for a long time. They've always been
this kind of guy. As as long as Pickings isn't
hitting people, getting arrested, robbing banks, speeding, as long as
he's not doing stuff like that, I mean, just keeping
it in football. Like, if the worst you have to
deal with is him complaining or you know, publicly saying, hey,

(21:40):
can I get some more catches here, then the easy
fix of that is just throw the ball to him.
Thought the ball to him. He's I think as a talent,
he's worth the possible small, possible headache that you would
have to deal with. He's not gonna be the guy
that you could just trust to just get it done
on his own.

Speaker 9 (21:53):
Cool, Fine, just do.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
A little more, Daniel Jones is hired somebody to follow
Dave's around and make sure he didn't get introuble. I
don't even think this is that that kind of situation.
I just think he wanted football. I think he'll loudly
in front of media tell you that. But I don't
think he's like a trouble I don't know if he's
going to show up kind of guy. I don't think
he's that kind of dude. Plus, I think he loves
football and as long as he's willing to work at
it and and get better.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
But if he's not driving the ship, I don't have
a problem with this. He's not wide receiver one here.
See that's the guy here. Then Dak is the guy here.
And if Schottenheimer is is people person and he can
bring those kind of guys in, it'll be it'll be
some some bumps in the rows and headlines. But I
don't think he's going to be a huge.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Issue, Like you're going to imediately see what kind of
coach Junior Adams is here for the receivering group. You're
going to immediately see I mean here he is. He
goes from being in the college ranks and working with
with personalities, you know, these college kids. I mean, he's
been in some really some fine schools with some big
time egos with wide receivers and stuff like that. And
I'm saying this in a positive way. But this is

(22:53):
one of those moments where he probably when you know,
he found out that he is you know he was
going to get George Pickens. He's like, Okay, I got
to figure these things out. You know. As a receiver's coach,
I mean, that's the one room that has those types
of guys with the personalities. So he's probably used to this,
but this is a big personality. I'm saying this in
a positive way. I'm not saying this guy is a

(23:14):
male content or a problem in that way like Fox
was talking about, did you have to worry about him
off the field. He just is super competitive and he
wears that every single day that he goes out there.
You can watch his tape, you can watch every play
with the ball and you could see how much it
does mean to him. But we're going to find out
right off the jump, what kind of relationships that a

(23:37):
junior Adams the wide receiver coach, can build with this
guy and then keep him on the path that they
need to go for the season.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
The first availability that Brian Schottenheimer has during OTAs is
going to be very fascinating because there's gonna be a
lot of questions about, all right, how do you plan
on handling this guy? Yeah, and how's he going to work?
How is it already, you know, fitting in. One thing
that I thought was interesting, and I noticed it last
week when we were in the locker room talking to rookies,
is that there's an open locker next to Dak Prescott.
And I noticed that, and I was like, that's wide

(24:06):
receiver too. Whether it's a Marii Cooper or a George
Pickens or somebody else that was on the trade market,
it makes sense for that guy to have that locker.
It makes even more sense for George Pickens to have
that locker.

Speaker 9 (24:17):
Now.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, nonetheless, this guy, this move is very exciting and
it's been a while since I've seen fans have such
a positive and exciting reaction and giving props to Jerry
Jones and the moves that they've done this year.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
He said he was going to go for a substantial move. Yeah,
he was saying, Hey, we are working on and then
sometimes you know, Ambar, it's okay, thank you, we hear
your talking again, and you're thinking he's just kind of just,
you know, setting us up for something. But in fact
they really did. I mean the more like I say,
And I know Nick and all of us were working
on this and is in the coming days and we

(24:55):
reached i know, reaching out after the draft. I'm like, hey,
he's still working on receivers, and I did I heard
crickets and I'm thinking, wait a minute. My sources, who
are usually pretty good on these things, were not saying anything.
So they were working on this thing. They were living
up to what they were trying to do, and they
knew they needed to get something done like this. And
again I have to applaud him for doing.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
It in the context here, and Brian, feel free to
build on it if you have more. Is they They
did have conversations with Pittsburgh during draft weekend picks. The
price around that time was something different than what it
ended up being at the end, and they went through
the draft looking for a couple of options, couldn't find any. Obviously,
didn't draft any guys. Trae Saon Holden's not going to

(25:37):
be your wide receiver too. And as the week following
we're talking about last week started to come about, they
really started to expand their their net like okay, yeah,
what all is available to us? They were intrigued by
Amari Cooper. I reported on that on that there is
team interest there and there was there still is team interest. However,
I think as they as they talked more with Pittsburgh

(26:01):
over the course of the last forty eight to seventy
two hours, the price started to become a little bit
more palatable for both sides.

Speaker 9 (26:07):
And here we are.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
This might have been something too that got set up
because of Aaron Rodgers. I think that Steelers might be
in the mix now of going to get Aaron Rodgers
signed up. And maybe this was the we're going to
move on from one to get another kind of a
thing that it's just.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
Move on from one headache to get another.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
Just kind of some speculation going on in the league
right now that the Steelers are on that path and
this was the first move that they knew they had
to make a move, and you know it listened Dallas,
that you're right, Nick, Dallas made a lot of calls
and when I reached out to some guys in the
front office. They were like, we're looking at a lot
of wide receivers, Brian, a lot of wide receivers. So

(26:44):
I was like, going, oh, okay, well, you know, maybe
this is actually going to come about. But yeah, and
it did, and it did, and late last night they
got everything done and buttoned up and we'll see how
it does play out. But I will go on record
right now, as Ambar said, I'm going to go on
record and say that you know that I can do
nothing but say, hey, this is the type of move

(27:06):
that I would have absolutely made. I would. You know,
you need a player like this to compete within your
division and and hopefully he helps you with the season
and he helps you as you get into the playoff
runs as well. Well.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
During my time here, I've been what like eleven years
here now, and during this whole time that I've been here,
this is the first time that I've seen the Cowboys
make this many moves. And I'm taking into consideration all
the moves that they see, the off season moves, the trades,
the amount of trades that they made, plus top it
off with this one, the most recent one that is

(27:39):
the most significant one. So they're they're changing things around
this this time and they're making moves and we'll see
how it all pays out for this upcoming season. But
it's at least you're not sitting around, you know, waiting
and waiting. This is it feels different this time around.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
I feel like I was one of the first to
criticize how they went about last offseason, and I want
to preface that before I say my next statement is
because I feel like I gave out criticism when it
was necessary. This front officer deserves a lot of credit
for how they they weren't about their business this offseason.
And you know, I think there was an expectation heading
into the offseason that there wasn't going to be a

(28:19):
lot of movement.

Speaker 9 (28:20):
Allowed via salary cap or other issues.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
But they have really set up Brian Schottenheimer for success
and now it's up to Brian to be able to
produce on the field.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
I mean, he has his pieces.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
I mean, i'd be very curious to think about what
Mike McCarthy's thinking about right now. I but nevertheless, it's
Brian Schottenheimer and he has the tools in front of
him to make it happen.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Do you guys think that this is going to lead
to the Cowboys saying all right, you know we've been
saying run game, run game, run game.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Do you think that this is going to lead to
them truly saying all right, we're gonna run the football.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
Is whatever happens happens?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Or do they see these wide receivers here and go, man,
Deck's going to have forty pass the game fifty pass
a game, which I'll think.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Yeah, that's a tough one. That's a tough one you
got to do now.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, and he's gonna need catches.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
We were we we went into the whole the hiring
of the coaches and stuff and the building of the
staff and started kind of connecting dots and talking about
and they talked about running the football. I think they're
still going to be committed to trying to do that.
And I think with you know, with the drafting of
with Booker, you know, we'll see what happens at left tackle.
That now becomes my my vision goes from you know,

(29:27):
other positions to left tackle and the potentially what's going
to happen at corner. But I do feel like now
that the thing and when we had a chance to
interview you know, Clayton Adams and those guys. Before Day
three of the draft, they you know, we were saying
pen and poll this and that, the O they're outside
zone and all that, and he basically said, listen, if
we don't have the players to do it, we're not
going to do it. So I think that they're going

(29:49):
to go in with the idea of like, hey, gusad,
we're going to we're going to work to run the football.
We know we could, we know we're going to figure
out ways. I mean, you got a guy and Williams
is a really good pass protector in the back. Feel,
you know, if they have to throw the football multiple times,
I think that you know, it doesn't always play well
for Dak, but at least they have the weapons to
make that happen. I'd love to see Jake Ferguson and

(30:11):
schoon Maker and all those guys, and you mentioned Blue,
if they're going to have to throw the ball, at
least they've got some bodies that are capable of making plays.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
I think their focus says the same as far as
at least finding that balance between the running game and
the passing game, creating that balance that they didn't necessarily
have last year, And I think at the end of
the day, yeah, yeah, way too late into the season,
But I think at the end of the day, you
go with wherever the talent is essentially better. If that's

(30:39):
a wide receiver, you use it, you use your best players.

Speaker 9 (30:42):
But I'm not mad about it.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
I'm not mad about what they're trying to do right now.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
And Barbrian, do either of you know what a shisty
mask is? By chance?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
You just go to assume I know what it means?

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Yes, it is it.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Well, you don't want to know what pumped into my head.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
That's you could go anywhere, you could go anywhere. Soaking Brian, though.

Speaker 8 (31:03):
Is it is? It?

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Is?

Speaker 8 (31:04):
It? Is it like a full.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
It's a ski mask?

Speaker 8 (31:06):
Ski mask?

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yeah, George Pickens wears a pre game and it was
when he was drafted.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
He had it on Yeah TV.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
This was like people out dressing black.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
I mean they are typically black. They are typically black.
The shicty masks a shisty mask.

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Shouts out AT and T shuts out. The floor is yours? Okay,
got a question?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Okay, So the type of uh, you know, we say
character guy that pickings is the complaining about catches and
all this CD also at one time kind of complained
about his catches, right, So let me just ask this
for sure. So I'm just asking y'all, stars, we don't
know for sure? Is Pickings the guy that complains about

(34:48):
not getting targets when you win? Or is he the
guy that's complaining because he wants to win so bad
but Kenny Picking and Russell Wilson aren't throwing him the
ball and he's the best target for you. You know
what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, is he it is
so frustrated that we're not winning, Hey, throw me the
ball because on the fresh roun, I'm mad. Or if
you're blowing out somebody by forty and he got three catches,
he go, you know what, We're winning by forty, but

(35:09):
I could sure use five catches. I'm I'm gonna complain.
I think that's two different types of complaining there. So
where would you guys assume? We don't know? But like,
what would you think?

Speaker 7 (35:18):
I don't have enough context to give you that right now,
although I do think you bring up a solid point
about the quarterbacks that he has dealt with through his
first three years and if you just look back to
if you just look back to last season and kind
of the struggles that he had to deal with at
times from a target to reception ratio perspective, and there
were some issues there. I think there was a lot

(35:39):
of miscommunication, whether it be justin Fields, Russell Wilson, Kenny Pikett,
Mason Rudolph, Mitchell, Trubisky. I mean, there's he's dealt with
a lot of different signal callers. But I don't have
enough context to give you that answer. Watch, but I
think it's I think it's a valid point because there
are some in the league that want they want the
targets and receptions no matter what the final score is,
and there's some who as long as they're winning, hey,

(36:00):
it's fine.

Speaker 14 (36:00):
You know.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
I think there's a couple of people in his locker
room though, when they don't get the stats in a
big win, they feel the type of way. And uh,
we've talked about a few of those guys, So you
wonder if he's one of them.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
The reason why, as I'm an a.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Right like this publicly said, hey man, we win it,
i ain't got to have all the catches.

Speaker 8 (36:18):
We win it. I'm gonna be real reckless here because
Nick's trying to be professional. I'm not professional. I'm just
gonna say it. I think this guy. I think this
guy loves to play football, and I think that doesn't
matter whoever he's going up against, he can find a
way to win, you know. And if the game plan
then maybe calls to go another direction, you know, and
they're not winning, I think that really bothers him. I

(36:39):
think I think football is very very important to this guy.
And you can watch him play in college, you can
tell it. Then you can watch in the NFL. Yeah,
you know, I would rather have a guy that loses
his mind because he's not You're not I'm not helping
you try and win this game, you know, please. I mean,
we we've all been there. We've seen the desks on

(37:00):
the sidelines and stuff and does it more's body language,
but he was always trying to be kind of encouraging, Hey,
I can win. Just get me the ball, find a
way to get And I think this guy's that. I
think he's a similar type player. I think every catch
that he made that I watched this morning that resulted
in a first down, you could see the emotion of
like first down and like he was kind of you know,

(37:21):
and you get the tawning and you get a little
bit of this, you know, he is so competitive that
he honestly believes that if you throw him the ball
sixteen times, he is going to make sixteen receptions. And
so he wants that opportunity because he's That's just how
he I think that's how he's wired. So, yeah, is

(37:42):
it something that maybe you're going to have to tone
it down a little bit? Man, I would rather have
the guy that wants the ball, that wants to make
plays as opposed to the guy that's terrified. Please don't
hit the ball to me, Please don't throw me the ball,
Please don't draw up the last shot for me, you know.
I think I think Pickens is a guy that wants

(38:03):
to compete at a high level. And it comes off
as sometimes this maybe complaining, but he he just in
his heart believes that he can win on every single play.
I'll take that guy.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Yeah, And sometimes I think it's easier for you to
pull someone back rather than have to push them forward.
And with the right kind of voice and the right environment,
I think he can thrive in this and see that hey,
we're not going to be dealing with that kind of behavior.
And I think that what Schottenheimer brings is that there
will be consequences to the way you act, and if

(38:36):
you decide to act right, then you're gonna be that's
gonna be reflected on the field and how many times
you get to touch the ball. I that's at least
what I'm getting at. Before we end the show, time
is running out.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
Could I throw ahead one thing in there? Because you
did bring up one thing?

Speaker 9 (38:51):
Did you say?

Speaker 7 (38:52):
Shottenheimer has shown that, like there will be consequences. Yes,
that is a question I have. It's like when when
there are issues that will come about with certain players.
Just think back to Trayvon in San Francisco last year.
How is Shotenheimer going to handle that? Because he has
shown yes that he's trying to build high character and
if you're not about it, then you know, well, we'll
figure out how to make sure that that's not here.

(39:14):
But I do wonder when he is faced with that
situation mid season, how does he handle that? Whether that's
Trayvon Dicks or George Pickens or Micaeh Parks, whoever. That's
gonna be one of his bigger questions. Our biggest I
think at adversity points is like, Okay, how does he
respond to this?

Speaker 9 (39:28):
That's going to be a big question of mind for.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Right now, he's saying all the right things for sure,
absolutely so. But yeah, just like you said, we'll wait.
We'll have to wait and see because we haven't seen
it in action just yet. But everything he said so
far and the way that he's talked to the media,
what he said the other day recently, that he's been
paying attention the veterans who are talking to the rookies,
the people that have come in. He's looking for those

(39:50):
type of behavior in veteran guys. Be a leader, be
that voice, be an example for everybody else. Okay, going
now to rookie the rookies, we have Rookie Meedicamp happened,
and I don't want to end the show before going
around and asking you guys, while were your first impression.
We got to see these guys in person. We don't

(40:10):
get a lot of big action happening in Rookie Meedicamp,
but we got to see their full presence and body boy.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Tyle, the book is going to be haby that George
Piggins is here and Man Jay and Blue's gonna get
a bunch of pasts because George Piggins is here, and
Tray suhnhold and go ahead to compete a little bit
harder boy, because George Piggins is here.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
That's all I got on.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
The room, Yeah, I think to me though, physically it's
nice to see them. There used to be a time
in Ambar. You'll remember this when like under the Jason
Garrett administration, they used to like practice, we like we'd
see them out there. Really kind of Now it's more
about hey, locker room's over here, training rooms over here,
dining hall's here. When you park, you park over here,
so you know where you get the You get to
physically see how the players look, and you know, you

(40:51):
get to kind of get the idea uh name with
a face kind of thing. You get to talk to
them a little bit, and those kinds of things, which
is cool. Where the where to me, where this will
be the most important is the training camp aspect thing.
But those mandatory mini camps when you have the veterans
with the rookies, that's where you're gonna tell me where
these coaches feel like these rookies can fit in, you know,

(41:12):
And I Wotch will say this, listen, don't tell me
that Booker needs to be over on field three working
with the threes and the fource. He needs to be
over there playing right guard right off the jump. You know,
don't try and make it. You got to earn your thing. No,
you've got to. You know, you drafted these guys for
a reason.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Figure it out also too, Brian, Sorry, Nick, you got
I don't want to see Booker lining up at lift
guard just to see if he can play left guard
clean may right because that's where he's going to be
in and let him start to work on that right
side footedness and handedness because he's been playing the lift
side the whole time.

Speaker 9 (41:43):
Abandon, So you're good.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
These guys have said plenty about the rookies. I think,
you know, we won't really get a good feel these
rookies until training camp and how they fit in with
the rest of the veterans. But I will say one
thing that really did stand out to me from rookie
mini camp energy and it was our first time to
be able to see a Brian Schottenheimer led practice.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
Oh yeah, and that was it.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
I've only been here since the start of the Mike
McCarthy era, but it is notably different than a McCarthy practice.
Music was playing the whole time which is unlike a
McCarthy practice. We'll see if that carries into the season.
Yelling energy, I mean, and that's that's what all the
players said coming off the field.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
Energy.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
This is a very energetic practice. Energetic coaching staff. You
know what they talk about off the field, at least
in one rookie mini camp practice that we've seen with
their own eyes, it's at least translated onto the practice field.

Speaker 8 (42:29):
See real quick though. Ambar two is that we kind
of get a little bit of a taste of the
energy of the coaching staff when we heard the secret
audio calls and how like pumped up guys were and
guys passing the phone and hey man, you're in just
trying to and the players were kind of like, I
think the players were shocked to how how energized the
coaches were on the phone. They're like, yeah, coach, ready

(42:50):
to work. Well man, we got to come in here.
We got it.

Speaker 14 (42:51):
You know.

Speaker 8 (42:52):
The coaches were more excited about the player, you know,
being the pick and having the players. So yeah, this
this staff does have a lot of energy too, because
they're young.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I mean, yeah, Mike, Mike was with like seventy I'm
not being fun I really know how part sixty one you.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
Know, he he you know he's nothing wrong being sixty
one man. You work for the guy every night.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
My fuck, my fun man. But you know, Mike, Mike
was older man. Mike has done this before. Mike has
had coaching jobs before.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
We needed the shit.

Speaker 9 (43:21):
You get someone photo shop up the shisty basket.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Ryan Shottenheimer.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
This is his first job as a head coach.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
He's a young dude, so of course he'll have a
lot more in it.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
Heck yeah, it was old man. Man as old. This
old man had a lot of energy too. Is a
good coach.

Speaker 9 (43:36):
I was born ninety two.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
I ain't I ain't see him too much.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
I saw the second day of Fricking Me Me Camp.
I saw Will McLay. He was walking out and he's
just like, man, all these coaches running around the whole field,
like you see them running and he's like, I said,
they better be careful before they pulled something or hurt themselves.
But that just goes to show again what we saw
and what you guys are talking about it. There's are

(44:00):
so full of excitement and energy. They're out there moving around,
running around with the players, so that's super exciting. And
also the players everyone I I got to talk to,
I love their personalities, Like the vibes right now are
all so positive. So we'll see, we'll see. We'll keep
waiting and seeing how everything because everything exactly now.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
So one final question out there, go ahead, George Pickens,
Let's say it works out from a football perspective, how
many added wins do you think this this this move makes.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
His red zone ability probably probably gonna help you with
three three.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I don't want to sound like a Homer man. I
think the Cowboys are a twelve win team.

Speaker 8 (44:42):
Now, Oh how many more wins added under the current
or how many? How many wins total?

Speaker 9 (44:48):
Answer?

Speaker 8 (44:48):
No, I think his ability probably buys you three more.
This is the way his ability to make plays, red zone.

Speaker 6 (44:53):
Plays, and you were so close in so many games,
so without a lot of your starters.

Speaker 9 (44:58):
I I thought this was a ten win team before
this this edition. I think I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
Watch I think the ceiling for this team is certainly
twelve wins, but that you'll got to schedule. It's tough.
It's a tough schedule. Still, wouldn't surprise me if this
ends up being a ten and seventeen. But I think
you'd feel a lot better about this ten and seventeen
than you would without a George Pikins.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Find another wide receiver, find another running back, get another one.
Take to go in there and just compete and be
old and let's go running. Miane.

Speaker 7 (45:24):
See now I'm about to get on this one text
soap bucks. Bro's it for another day?

Speaker 6 (45:27):
All right? Well, before we go, you mentioned schedule release
is next week, so stay tuned on Dallas Cowies dot Com.
Very very exciting things that are going to happening on
the website, so keep an eye out. We'll find out
soon what the calendar is for the season twenty twenty five.
For Nick Harris, watch Lombard Lombardi. It's a tongue twister

(45:50):
for me.

Speaker 9 (45:50):
Lombard. Can I say in Spanish? Please Lombardi?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (45:55):
Watch Lombardy with that?

Speaker 6 (45:58):
Ryan Brod is a remember your Yeah. This has been
the break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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