May 28, 2025 • 46 mins
Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, and Ambar Garcia discuss the latest Dallas Cowboys news/notes, preview position battles, OTAs, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yes?
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Are you ready for a break?
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Absolutely?
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Ready for a break?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us Votch Lombardi and
Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Hello, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Break,
presented by LG. And Derek is not here today. I
heard watch Lombardi's name in the intro. That's the first
time I hear it.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
Big Voice guy held us down today. I know it
was on that last time, but last time I didn't hear.
People came to me and say, yo, vat did you
hear Big Voice guy say your name. It's like, no,
You'll never let Big Voice guy say my name.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Abby, Damn.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Big Voice guy didn't say my name twice. I guess
I'm part of the crew. Now.
Speaker 8 (01:09):
That's exciting goodness, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, rough little whistle, there we go.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Don't hate Brian bro I'm sorry they've me.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Saying your name for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So them with some f bombs behind my name.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
How to say it.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Is?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
They've been saying Brian.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I don't know how to say nineteen ninety nine experis,
but but thirty years for sure? Cowboys? Go ahead, please,
I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 9 (01:44):
Boy, Bucho Viejo right with that old We're just taking
this show over, k Hody, let Ambar talk please?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Well, before we do the one started, just wanted to
give a shout out to Derek. He's not here today,
but his baby boy is graduating.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Congrats, Congrats, congrats.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
I can imagine he's being very emotional right now, but
congratulations to him and his whole family. That's very exciting.
And for today's show, I was telling much before we
started that I have a set of questions that they're
just kind of all over the place.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
Nothing new has really happened since.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Last week Wheelhouse.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
It's nothing too crazy, honestly, But we're gonna start with
the first one right now, looking at what the roster
currently looks like. And I don't want to get too
ahead of myself and talk about training camp, but why not,
right sure, which position group currently has the most depth
and which is the biggest concern heading into training camp.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
I think your offensive land room area again is pretty full.
You know, we walked into you know, we walked into
the off season thinking that a couple of people were
gonna getting a lot of reps and that person was
a starter listed as a starter, and the Cowboys made
a Hugh Mugs move in a draft to kind of
mitigate that. So now you have starter level backup guys,
and they may not be guys that you wanted to
(03:13):
be started for seventeen eighteen games, but starting for seven games,
eight games, nine games, we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
They can do that.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Plus, there was just this group of guys that were
just signed how came Identergy and you know Charles that
came out of retirement. So you know, there's a gang
of offensive line here. So if you're talking about real competition,
a lot of those guys maybe not at the top
of the old line room, but the bottom of the
room is definitely gonna be, you know, fighting for their life.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Watch real quick on the depth of that offensive line though, Yes, sir,
and you mentioned some guys coming like retirement guys and
guys that are kind of being bouncing around the league.
But do you feel like there's somebody out of that
backup group that is going to emerge as one of
the ten the weekly maybe at ninth or tenth guy
that we're gonna talk about, Oh man, this is our
swing tackle, this is our swing We kind of think
(03:58):
like Hoffmen and guys like that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One of those guys that they've.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Brought in, Jones, some of those guys gonna be a
a vital piece.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Is gonna have to be a tackle. Brian.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I don't I don't see this world where somebody takes
big Tyler's job or Booker's job, or you know, BB's
done his job at center guy, and we know who
Brock is. But if there's any question mark, if there's
any question mark on his offensive line right now, it's
your left tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
I think Tyler Guiden will be fine. He just needs,
you know, he just needs to get a little bigger
and strong. And we saw him a little bigger and
a little strong. We got a little more time for
him to lift some weights and stronger, eat some peanut butter.
But we got to see got to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
See crustables need to come into play real fast. Right.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
But you know, if you just lay it all out,
I don't see a world where Sadiq Charles is taking
Tyler either either Tyler's job right, But what if Austin
Richards has a rediction.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That's what I want to talk about there, And I
know Ambart's a great question, but I want to talk
about I want to talk about Austome Richards stuff. I
think it's about time for Awesome Richards to step up
really and all of a sudden, we've noticed him at
camps before, a g You and I we've all there,
We've all stood out there and like, oh, look at
Awesome Richards. That one on one rep. That's pretty good there.
Oh you know what I'm saying, you'll get a chance.
(05:12):
You get yet you're the show. Yeah, get ready to
get there. But to me, that's what I'm saying, if
all of a sudden, Awesome Richard shows up as a
guy that's really seriously competing at the left tackle spot,
huge win, huge win for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Now, how Bryant, how good does Austome Richards have to
be to seat Tyler Guide? Because they're gonna give Guide
every opportunity to the job. However, we saw Tyler Guid
and got a little healthy last year and was still taking.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Coaches fighting for their jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Coaches fighting for their jobs there, that's a hey, we
have to we have to win, we have to cover,
we have to do They were they weren't going to
they they weren't going to play that kid. It's a
shame did it all went down that way? But you
had coaches fighting for their jobs that that wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
So whether it be guided playing poorly or if Awesome
Richards just emerges, right, that's that's really how good does
Auesome Riches have to be in order for us to
go all?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
That was the previous playing Awesome Richards is killing it
right now like a like a Dak Prescott, Tony Romo.
We can't deny a young kid anymore. How good does
awesome have to be?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I think it comes down personally For me, it comes
down to consistency. Can you consistently be good? Because I
think he's shown traits of being good and what he
could be. But to me what I've seen, it just
hasn't been consistent. Now that has to do with how
much opportunities, how much playing time do they give him?
And you already talked about that. What was happening last year.
(06:47):
But I think if you can consistently show up, that's
something that is very valuable, especially especially in the O line,
that's something that you really need to have from somebody.
So that's number one. Yeah, bullet point for me. How
consistent are you?
Speaker 7 (07:04):
What's kind of happened with Bass and all those guys
and Nathan Thomas and those guys.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
What's gonna happen to see the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nathan Thomas one? We don't really know about there. My
hope is that Nathan Thomas is a guard. You know,
we always talk about in college football the red shirt
where you don't you know, you maintain your eligibility, but
you don't play that year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
What you do then is you go into the weight room,
you do all these things.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Hopefully's the diet, the meals, working with you know, the
extra work that he's getting with the strength coaches and
you know, the trainers and stuff like that. Hopefully he
comes back as a different guy that way, because we
once he got to camp, it's like it was just
very very brief. Oh he's over on field too, he's
overdoing this, he's overdoing you know, we didn't get to
see that player that we maybe thought that came out
(07:47):
of Louisiana when they drafted him.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So my hope is that all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
He's competing with Hoffman, He's competing with bass. I think
Hoffman's on this team because I think he's your backup center.
So that's where now everybodybody else, I think is free game.
If I could circle back though about with about with
what's going on with Geyton, I think Giton is going
to have more rope than than than maybe anybody else
(08:13):
that competes with him at that spot. You know, I
really really really do, because I think that they want
him to be that guy. I think they I think
they really really want to see and maybe that's something
with Jerry and Steven and Will ask Brian Schottenheimer, Hey,
find ways to get some of these guys involved that
we drafted. And I think there's going to be times
(08:34):
where all of a sudden we're looking at Geyton and
we're saying, whoa good repod, Oh that was a bad rep.
Oh that was another bad rep. I think he's going
to have some rope here, but I would love to
see some competition over there, and if the best guy wins,
let that be the case.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Also, that's the nature of when you're drafted in the
first round. Sure rope is going to be a little
longer than so it's going to be an interesting Smith
petition there as it was kinda it's kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Trust more trust.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
We can feel this whole saving watch this, Uh, ladies
and gentlemen, Brian bro bar Garcia, if I could just
name another unit that's kind of packed up in there,
and I think it's gonna bring a little bit of
controversy come camp times.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Those edges. You know you you you you draft a guy.
Micha is a guy.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Dante Fowler is a guy that was here and he
wasn't really you know, he wasn't really utilized properly. Confusing
he goes to Washington Football Wizards.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The football Wizards, we've learned about.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Double digit sack guy. I imagine he's gonna come back
here and he'll be used as a double digit sack guy.
Marshawn Kneeling, young guy, Peyton Turner. It's probably gon be
like a rundown guy for you. What does this leave
Sam Williams. That's why I'm asking you, guys, where does
this leave Sam Williams? In this this room full of
full of edge guys, full of past rush. And you
can only rotate and and and bring so many of
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those guys.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
To the bus. What about what about edge? Do we do?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We do?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
We do?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
We lose somebody that we didn't think woul that we
didn't think that we would lose.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right, I wonder how much rope that Sam Williams has.
See That's the thing about it is with Sam. And
I'm sure there's people watching this right now and saying, hey,
brought us you cut Sam Williams.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
He will be on someone's roster, you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
We saw it with Randy Gregory, Yeah we saw you know.
That's exactly right. Guy's got a lot of talent. But
Ambar says, how about some consistency, Give me some consistency,
you know, go out there. There's times where he's flashed.
That's what scarre scouts to death. So all of a
sudden you see this flash player and you're like going,
whoa wait a minute, this guy and then you know,
(10:34):
kind of disappears. This is a big year for Sam
Williams because there's guys now that had been drafted by
previous regimes that are no longer here and you don't
have that. And I've sat in a lot of those
personnel meetings, you know in the summertime where the coach
is like, oh, we've got to have this guy. Well, coach,
he's not, well, go we got. We can't play without
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this guy we get, you know, and now, so I
think Sam Williams is kind of in that category right
now where he must step up. And people again are
out there, I guarantee you, oh yeah, I just kind
of brought us. He'll be on somebody else's team and
he'll be doing something else, are they right, Ambar.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Absolutely, I think that's the consensus and a lot of
people that watched that. But I think Sam Williams, obviously
his injury came at a really bad time for him, terrible,
terrible time, and he.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Was might not a way got valor if if you
had a guy like that and.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
He was ascending.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
But at the same time, something that I think he
embodies what the Cowboys look for in a guy that
represents the star. And this goes beyond the field. What
you don't see, it happens behind the scenes. He's a
guy that has been showing up consistently last year, even
though he wasn't on the field and he was recovering,
he was always there. He was always and I say
(11:48):
always quote unquote, but every time I saw a community event,
who was there showing up Sam Williams showing Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I thought you were going to take this another way?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
What way?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I thought you were gonna take this in the way
that he likes to drive fast and cause problems time because.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
For something that happened.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, no, no, no, I'm just saying I thought you
were gonna say, well, we don't.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Really get quick.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
He has learned from that experience.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I think when I got a race team, I'd love
saying first one.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I think it's changed and he has improved.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, I see what you're doing here. I see what
you're doing.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
That happens since that incident.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Will effects playing a good way?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Will effect Think that again, if you are committed into
showing up to the recovery and the training and with
those coaches and training and doing everything that you need
to do to get back onto the field, it's.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Going to show up on the field.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Now, penalties and all that crazy stuff that has happened.
As far as discipline, I think he's a motivated guy,
and I'm rooting for him right now.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
This team has has shown you that they have a
hard work and wire receiving a hard working right guard.
And both those guys got bumped down by better dudes.
Shout out of saying I'll we make it because look,
we need you, we need you player. But uh boy,
it's some It's some guys in that room. And if
I had to think about what my NASCAR pass Rushie
packager look like, it'll it'll be Micro over there. It'll
(13:11):
be Dancy or Michael roaming around somewhere, Dante over there,
Donovan'll be getting some os. Is probably gonna be in
the middle of somewhere Overshawn when he's healthy, he's blitzing
from somewhere. It's gonna be hard to take somebody off
the field, but we'll see.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
We'll see special teams you need to get.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's you got hurt.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Moving all right, let's go ahead and take our first break.
When we come back, we'll continue this conversation and how
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Speaker 6 (16:55):
What does the current roster suggest about the Cowboys launch
and vision? Are they building for twenty twenty five playoff,
push or laying the groundwork for twenty twenty six again
looking at a lot of young talent that they've brought in.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I know what he's going to say, but go ahead,
I gotta leave it off. I go ahead, No, go ahead, Well,
I mean so polite.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Well, if you're drafting a guard, I'm gonna agree with
what he says. If you're if you're drafting a guard
and a you know, like a young pass rusher and
a running back, that would make me think that they're
looking for the future. But you you you rolling some dice,
yeah on this pickings thing, you know, and they value
third round picks like some teams value first round picks.
(17:39):
So if you want to give that thing away just
to have another dude up in here, I think that
says a lot about what they're trying to do right now.
I feel like as long as you have four, you're
in the fight somehow, like like Dak is you know,
he's here, he's healthy. You're in the playoff situation somehow.
So from there, if you're trying to win this year,
it's your job to to give him what he needs.
(18:01):
And it's been a while since Dak has had everything
that he needs. Or just think about how the Eagles
run things, right, if Dak had one of those type
you know, deals or whatever, We're just constantly filling their
roster up. The Eagles show you how urgent they are
to win championships, and they win championships, right, So this
Saquon Barkley move and them may be a George Pickens
move for like just this top tier player, and we're
(18:21):
giving up all of our resource for it. They didn't
do that, but we give up all just this third
round pick that the Cowboys love.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To go get George Pickens. I was shocked by this.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
And he's on the last deal of his the last
year of his deal. Yeah, the Cowboys shooting the dice
on this.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, my friend.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That's a situation where too, you know, even look at
what they're doing on the defensive side of the ball.
With the addition of the linebackers, you know, the defensive line,
the guys that they've added there. You know, they've added
veteran guys, a couple of guys on some one year deals. Heck,
we just talked about Fouler, you know. I mean they've
added some guys to try and make a run right
now and be competitive. I don't look at it as
(18:56):
band aid type moves, but I kind of look at
it as like, you know, sometimes you go bottom fishing,
and it's like you get what you get. You get
some trash fish on your hook.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I think the Cowboys they had a plan for what
they wanted to do to trading wise. I think the
fact that they stayed aggressive even after the draft, that's big.
Going after George Pickens. You know, they said, you know,
they saw a situation George Pickens probably not fitting in
with what the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Steelers are doing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The fact that they even talked about Bateman from the
Ravens that's a second round pick, but he wanted more
money and stuff like that. So they they're trying right now.
The right guard helps the quarterback. The young running back
helps the quarterback because he might be the future guy.
When this is all said, and done. But look at
the things that they were able to do with the
wide receiver. That might be a one year rental for
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a third round pick. That's an aggressive move right there. Defensively,
Like I said, they've added a lot of some veteran
guys over to that side of the ball. This is
not really a long term thing involved. This is more
about playing for now.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Ah, brother, let me ask you something.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
You remember a couple of days ago, Shottenheimer did his
you know, press conference or whatnot, and they was like, hey, Shotty,
what win to the Pickings thing?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
And Shotty was like, oh, yeah, we did a ton
of research and we felt good and we all talked
about it, and we all got together as a great
big family, talked about George Pickens pulled the trigger. Now
he's here. Comparing contrast that to when Mike McCarthy was
on the radio one O five three and asked him
about Trey Lance and Mike and Mike was like, I
didn't even know that they were trade for Trey Lance.
Trey Lance just happened to pop up on my doorstep.
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Nobody asked me about the quarterback situation or what I
thought about backup at all.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Just Trey Lance is here.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Now what do you think about the differences in those
two situations? Who like does one have more power than
the other or was Mike McCarthy just not interested in
team in team building when Schottenheimer is Dan Quinn when
he needed help, happening to get all the help that
he wants. So now we're here Schottenheimer Draft day, Bryant
tapping on the board, fighting for his guys. Right, he
(20:56):
has a saying what's going on? He gets these guys.
Mike McCarty, Oh, yeah, it doesn't matter who you pick,
got X, Y, Z and bar.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
What do you say about what I just said?
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Well, again, looking back at that first press conference that
where the Cowboys were introducing Schottenheimer as a new head
coach and something that they talked about and that Jerry
Jones mentioned that he gained a lot of respect from
Brian because times where he knew when to keep his
mouth ghost. Yeah, but that didn't mean he wasn't aware
(21:29):
of what was happening, and when the time came, he
let it all out and talked and really voiced his opinion.
I think that just it instilled a lot of respect
and it gained a lot of power. He was able
to gain power, and again, when you start talking to
him and listening to him, you started just buying what
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he's selling and falling for what he's doing. And this
is just a difference of personality. It's not to say
that Mike McCarthy wasn't respected here and that the Cowboys were,
you know, paying attention to what he was trying to do,
because they did a lot to kind of let him
do his thing. Obviously, there were times where you had
(22:10):
question mark, like the running back position, there were a
lot of question marks what was happening there in some
of the decisions that were taken with that position specifically.
But Shottenheimer, even though he doesn't have the experience, what
he's doing, is very magical in the way that he's
been able to gain so much power here and to
be listening is especially during the draft, making those decisions.
(22:33):
So it just goes back to saying, it seems like
everybody gets along and everybody is on the same page
and in tune, and there's no those random oh wait,
what y'all did that? Yeah, I didn't know about it
first time hearing about it. So everyone seems to be
in sync with this and he goes back to the
new culture that he's trying to put here with the team.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
I just think it's interesting because you know, fans will
get on social media and fuss and look, I'm fans also,
I'll go out there and fuss like one of the
Jones is doing anything. I wonder if Mike was just
one of these guys like, hey, just give me the
guys and I'll just coach w whatever that you that
you get for me, right. But I wonder if the
Joneses this whole time, they just had this checkbook waiting,
waiting for Mia McCarthy and he just didn't use it. Schottenheimer,
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twenty days on the job, goes, hey, man, some gotta
happen here, here, here, here, here, And now we see
stuff happening. And this has been one of the more
active offseas that we've had. I just wonder if that's
because of the head coach.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, he's not afraid to speak and walk around and
say hey, I want this or I want that and
voice it. And I think when you walk around with confidence,
it just it changes the environment that you're starting to
create around you. So I'm excited to continue to see
what all they're building here. Next question for you guys,
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which undrafted and we haven't really talked about undrafted free
agents on this show, but which undrafted free agent or
late round pick has the best chance in again ahead
of ourselves because we haven't seen real practice, but who
has the best chance of making the fifty three man roster?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Man?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Do I need to go into my film? MafA? Well, no,
it's I'm saying though, but late draft pick?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Right? Is that? Was that the question?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Late draft pick?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I know you're going to say the Auburn tight end.
I know what you're gonna do there. I'll let you
explain that one. Uh, the I could say I'm interested
in Vatch and I were doing our show last night
and we were talking about this. I want to be really,
really really wrong about film MafA. I want to be
wrong about him. And I'm saying this right now in
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a way of I'm intrigued by what the cowboys are
going to see in this guy, because me personally, I
know when we were doing work on the Draft show,
there was guys like Alan from you know, Syracuse, Crosskey,
Merrit from the from New Mexico, Arizona, U the colleges
and you know, and then Crossky Merrit gets selected right
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after MafA does, and so now you're like going, WHOA,
And I know Vatch was on cross Ky Merrick. So
now you've got somebody in the division. And if he
turns out to be and an early indication reports are
like people are like, whoa, they got this late round guy.
So I'm interested ambar and and and and I'm interested
if MafA is going to come in and look better
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than Williams and Sanders and can he pair with Blue?
That's that because they they have done something there that
I personally wouldn't have done. But that's them, and that's good.
That's that's their jobs to do that if they pull
this off where all of a sudden, film MafA comes
in here and is a physical running back that's you know,
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getting tough yards. And then and you know, maybe they're
looking at more of the inside game stuff too. When
you draft a guy like Booker, maybe they've come in
and evaluated. Maybe we're not gonna see as much of
pinning polls and things that we talked about. Maybe it's
going to be about combo blocks and deuce blocks and
second level blocks and those kinds of things. You know,
maybe that element of getting the ball on the edge
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is going to turn into Blue being on the edge.
But if Phil Moffa comes in and shows in training
camp he's that tough kind of a runner that we
saw a little bit at Clemson. Man, tip of the
cap to them, because I personally would have gone a
couple of different directions there other than him.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I'd love to be proven wrong about that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
One as far as mine.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
You know Brown, we already talked about this back and
forth about this, you know fair Weather from Auburn.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Right, yeah, tight end. Sometimes it's not about how good.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Your quarterback player was all over the place. They're terrible, terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Sometimes it's not about how how good you are versus
the whole team. Right, he may be the seventy something
best player on his team, it doesn't matter. It's about
his room and his role in that room. That's why
I think it's going to give him an easier route
to the team or whatnot. Right, Because if you're a
let's say you're a pass rush, you gotta go against
the three other pass rushers. There's Michael Parsons is there,
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Donovan is there, Dante. It's tough for a young pass
rusher to come in and take pass rush reps. Not
only is tight end easier small room, but the tight
end room is broken down into rolls, right like Jake's
the one guy that is what it is. Then you
got these blocking tight ends. So Luke and Brevin are
kind of fighting each other. But then there's like this
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jump ball, red zone guy, catch, radious guy, vertical guy,
seam guy, John Stevens, who.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
We thought John Stevens was John Stevens, and we were
ready to give that to John Stevens absolutely. You know,
previously it'll be like hendershot of something. He'll be the
downfield kind of guy.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
But John Stevens torn a cl and then he tore
it again, or tore the same or just tore two
different al I don't know. He's coming off a cl
right now. So if you're fair Weather, you don't have
to be better than Ferguson or Luke or Dak Prescott.
You just got to beat John Stevens, yeah, coming off
ACL new coaches, whatever, whatever. And they're the same kind
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of guy, that same vertical downhill guy. So if you're Fairweather,
just make a couple more plays, just don't drop pass
us If John Stevens isn't blocking all that well? Man,
Let me come in there and block some special teams
is very important for that section of the roster. Go
out there and tackle somebody, and I think that's the
air quote easiest route. There's no easy route to this thing.
Everybody's gonna have to fight for their life out there.
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But I think typically tight ends are kind of raised
by four like Dak makes these guys you know, as
good or as bad as who they are. So just
imagine Fairweather go out there making plays, jumping over people.
Dak's high point and he's jumping up and getting over people.
Farewell's gonna have a great argument to.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Make this team.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It'll be a fun training camp for sure. Let's go
ahead and take our final break, and when we come back,
will continue discussing some of these position battles that we
are expected to watch during training camp.
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Alright, guys.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Next question for y'all, which position battle should fans watch
most closely?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
In camp?
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Corner, running back or swim tackle which would already?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So let me ask you this, how are you wording battle?
For example, this is what I've been talking about, right,
If Tyler Booker is in a battle, do you mean
the Booker of the battle that he's having with Hoffman
or the battle that he's having with Masi or something
like like? Which like which battle we're talking about? You
won't think about it.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You're going to the script to me, Okay, I No,
I'm thinking in general, because I'm thinking, Okay, is anybody
actually set one hundred percent? Even when you look at
Corner for example, sure.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
No, no, even though he's a starter, right.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
So it's still like I think all of these positions
have question marks around them.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Well, if that's the case, Corner is definitely the room
that's that's fighting the most. We have a room full
of outside guys.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We don't really have a whole person Butler.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
You know, so so you know, and and everybody's knee
is hurting. So not only are they, you know, fighting
to be better, but they fighting and get healthy first.
So that's that's gonna be kind of an issue there.
Besides that, I mean, I don't really have a good
idea of who your first three corners are, Like, yeah,
they're fighting for their spot, but who are those guys
going to be? Because I don't even know when the
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like even even Revel, right, Revel may be cleared and
good to go, but is he going to be the
Revel that we watched on film last year?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Bryan?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So it trust.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Durron, Bland and Elam are are probably.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
The contract year for him, right for sure?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
For sure?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
So Bland, Elam and Kayln Carson. If Bland is your
best guy, do you just throw him in the nickel?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (33:43):
If Bland is cornerback one, does he travel and then
you kind of move those other guys around. I think
it's a weird little a weird little battle.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
With a corner.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Butler's too, I think I think you have to include
Josh Butler in that group too.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Is he healthy? What is he going to back?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he's he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think that to me, Like I say, he'll be
a part of the part of the I need to
I do need to check on him. I'm interested to
see what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
It's safety And I say that in a in a way.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Of because the previous regime man really really liked Wilson
and Hooker, and so now where does this regime stand
when it comes to Thomas and Butler?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And a guy that I almost mentioned is a rookie
ambar that maybe a guy that Elijah Clark, you know,
the safety from Syracuse. He was a guy that when
if you watch him play and if you if you
just go on, how much signing bonus the Cowboys gave
to these undrafted rookies, he was a top dog. And
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last you saw last year where span Ford was, he
was the top dog. So they think enough of this kid.
My gut feeling is this guy probably sat Clark sat
pretty high on their draft board.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So if that's the case, sat high on draft board,
he got a sizable bonus. Is he competing with Is
he trying to knock Thomas out? Who got money? Is
he trying to knock Bell out? Who got money? Are
they trying to knock Wilson out? Who would be cap
savings if you knock him out?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
You know that's important.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So yeah, I always you know, Mickey would always say
follow the money.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
In this case, you might follow the money.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But but I think there's going to be some legitimate
competition at the safety spot depending on how guys. I
don't think it's I don't think you could put it
in pen that Wilson and Hooker are going to be
the starters when you open on Thursday night in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Brian Bros.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Do you think does Brian brod Us think that if
Mark He's Bell outplays Donovan Wilson?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I would hope he, I would hope.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
What does Brian Bros Think?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because no, No, hope is hope is terrible plan. Hope
is a terrible plan. A lot of hope.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
If Mark he's Bell, goes out there, tears it up,
whoops it. Yes, he's covering better. Sure does he get
the toms?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Sure, absolutely, I'll say it because I I do believe.
I do believe that Thomas Bell, Clark Clark being new.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think it's there's a fresh approach now.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I talked to Mike Zimmer for a long time before,
you know, before training camp and when we're out there
in ox Start, and he was talking about he was saying.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know, I really like Wilson, I really like you
know Hooker.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm like, okay, And I said, well, I need to
keep my down mouth shut because I was always trying
to replace Hooker, you know. And then so but I
just kind of feel like Bell and Thomas have to
feel like they caught a break here with a new
new coaching staff, especially new coaches in the secondary.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
There was a lot of times last year or a
year before where we'll be having trouble from a coverage
you know, and you and you play safety like coverage
is what you do. And Cowboy Nation, Cowboy fans were
just sitting around tapping a watch, going, man, when are
we gonna try something different?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh? No, it hadn't always been that way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I took an ass kicking from fans about Hooker and
then he got extended and.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Like, oh see what you think, bro? You know, and
then then then we get the well he's not playing
very well right now, you know, And I'm like, okay,
tell him you was right brow, No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's not the idea is. The idea is though, that
you try and get ahead of that, you try and
get ahead of paying a guy, and then all of
a sudden and it doesn't work out. You could say
that right now about Wilson. It just hasn't worked out.
Like you know, the Cowboys started with guy's super tough,
he's super physical.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
But you know, you have to play with instincts.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You have to be able to tackle well, and you
can't make mistakes and if they put you in coverage,
you can't get it exposed.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
These are things you.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Have to kind of think about when you're when you're
talking about safety play well, I hope they get a
fair shake.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
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Speaker 7 (38:09):
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Speaker 4 (38:12):
So y'all watch them.
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You have to watch the podcast.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Oh we gotta pay for y'all salary here, ay me first,
and then.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Go and get you get you down white, go ahead, please?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
All right?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
You mentioned MICHAEH. Parsons earlier and about moving him around
a lot. Is it smarter to keep him full time
rushing or moving him around like a chess piece.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Well, we've been fighting this fight since we found out
that Micah can can pass rush, you know. And uh,
some coaches will tell you the coaching philosophical reasons why
you shouldn't move him around. And then we'll play Cleveland
and Miles Garrett is just stepping walking over your center
and you go, damn boy, showed be nice and we
can do some of that now.
Speaker 16 (38:58):
T J.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Watt doesn't move. He plays on his side. But when
you see Miles Garrett just floating around, you just get jealous. Right, So,
I think when Michael got most of his sacks, it
was him hovering over a gap and b gap. That's
when he really got got busy. Something we called on YouTube,
find the scrubs.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
What we call it right.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
And something that will bother me is we'll go play
the Giants and we'll just line michaeh over Andrew Thomas
all pro Andrew Thomas the whole game. It'll make me sick.
And look, Michael got sacks on Andrew Thomas. But boy,
imagine how many sacks you can get on John Michael
Smith if you just line them up over there. So
I do think you have to think about the the
the you know, base of your defense being you know solid,
(39:35):
and we're not gonna move him so much that he's
getting washed out of these plays. But it just gives
the other side one more, one more thing to think
about if Micah's all over the places as opposed to
I don't have to look.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I just know he's right there.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, why don't you find a way? And this is choice.
I used to say this, you know what, what's coaching?
What's what's coaching?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Wait? Paid these guys, we wait what's coaching for? See?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
To me, this is where to me moving Mike around
and even pairing finding him not I agree with wauch about, hey,
find the weakest link on that offensive line and just
let it try, but try and do your best to
set it up where it's one on one where that
weak link can't get help. You know, you move him around,
but also pair him with other guys that can pass rush.
(40:16):
There's nothing wrong with putting him with Osa and you
get a pick and a twist. There's nothing wrong with
putting him on the same side with Fouler and making
them have to deal with two guys. You know, all
of a sudden, Wow, they've got two legitimate rushers on
the outside here. There's nothing wrong with standing him up
and letting him run right through the B gap and
making a back and if they know a team is
(40:38):
going to be very reliant on a running back with
Blitz pickup help and putting Mike on that back and
getting that one on one matchup.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It might happen one or twice, one.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Or two times a game, but maybe it's one or
two sacks you get in a game, and maybe that's
the difference in the game. So yes, move him around,
find favorable matchups, but also pair him with other linemen
that can that can cause problems and make teams have
to deal with blocking two guys to the same side.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Well, Brian Brosley Man ask you is is this the
first time Mica has had like a real running mate
from from a past rush standpoint, right, like like tank
Tank Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Hank started going down.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
He's always been a great rundown, but he's never been
It's been a long time, a long time since double
digit sack is double digit sack. Michael hasn't had a
double digit sack running mate. Well, we got Dante foul
who's a double digit sack guy. Now, you know, Donovan
is gonna be a help. He's a ricket. We can't
expect too much out of him, and you know, also
we'll just hope that we can get some good pass
(41:37):
rush from him from b gap, Is is this the
best crew of past rush running mates maybe not run
stopping but pass rush running mates that Michaels has since
he been here?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Kind of feel like.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
I know, thanks, don't hurt yourself, buddy.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh he does that all the time. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I didn't even say because when you say, oh, that's
a great question, you're installing to try and figure things something.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
To influence his opinion.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Yeah, I just want to know what thought. I just
thought it was a genuinely good question, and both of
you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What about that?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
What about some of his sixteen sack seasons? Though when
it was Fowler and Parts, Yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
It was more so a bunch of guys like Michael
would get his sex.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
But but they didn't. You didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
You didn't think of Darence Armstrong as a sack guy.
You didn't think as a sack guy. You got sack guys.
Now that's asking is this his best group of set guy?
I don't know what the run defense is gonna look like.
I hope eber Flu's got some magic. Does he can
just spring along everybody and just run game?
Speaker 9 (42:38):
Just I think I think that dealt with I think
that's gonna come down Overshown was going to be a
pass rusher for see that.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Apparently Shamar James is gonna be a pass ords. Is
this the best group of past?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
See that's the thing with Tjamar James that we saw
at at Florida. We were worried about. And we're not
getting to see every single practice. You know, once a
week you get to see a practice. Maybe the other
practices he's messing up things. But it sounds like to
me he didn't play with a lot of instincts at Florida.
So what you say, put them as a will linebacker,
let them rush, So maybe that's something.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That you need to do.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I think overall, if you look at potentially with Osa
being a pass rusher Parsons, as we've mentioned, I think
that even you know, I think that it's kind of
we'll see, you know, with the Fowlers obviously going to
give you give you some stuff there. I don't know
if it's the best group he's played with.
Speaker 8 (43:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
What the difference is, I think is that going into it,
you you in your mind kind of know what to
expect based on their previous experience, as opposed to the
previous group. Not from last year, but like a couple
of years before you didn't know what to expect, but
then they were shining and make it happen. That's the difference.
(43:48):
It's like one is you have guys that has shown
it before versus the others that it just kind of
happened without you necessarily respecting me.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Doris Armstrong getting nine sex wasn't on anybody.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Okay, see that's it. As Araco be that guy. I
mean that that to me.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
If you want to ask me that question, and I'm
thinking about Okay Faller as Roku, I'm thinking about these guys.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I'm thinking but we don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I mean, we've seen him at the collegiate level have
huge success.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
So now is Donovan as the third pass rusher and
if you're let's say you're doubling Michael or Michael has
some actual attention that now Donovan is Aroku gets the
better looks, the better one on one looks.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, if Eiraku could be a factor as a pass
rusher with Fowler, maybe we'll see with Sam Williams how
that all plays out and stuff like that. But you know,
if you if if Israku then shows up, like you know,
we think that he all might, then I would say, yeah,
but we'll have to see Ezerako be that guy.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
One last point too, is I know Ambarre ready to
get up out of here. One last point is I'm
a person if this offense scores the way that it
that it should and the defense against so many more
opportunities to.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's that's yeah, that's the key. You You've got to
find a way that you can't be in. I didn't
want to say that.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
What else is there to say?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That you think you think you know long reach bottom.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
You're gonna have to ice dot arm.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
Please well, thank you guys so much, Thank you watch.
Thank you Brian for always having a lovely energy. Shout
outs to Derek and his family again, thank you guys
so much for watching for Botch Lombardy.
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Right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us Votch Lombardi and
Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Hello, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Break,
presented by LG. And Derek is not here today. I
heard watch Lombardi's name in the intro. That's the first
time I hear it.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
Big Voice guy held us down today. I know it
was on that last time, but last time I didn't hear.
People came to me and say, yo, vat did you
hear Big Voice guy say your name. It's like, no,
You'll never let Big Voice guy say my name.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Abby, Damn.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Big Voice guy didn't say my name twice. I guess
I'm part of the crew. Now.
Speaker 8 (01:09):
That's exciting goodness, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, rough little whistle, there we go.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Don't hate Brian bro I'm sorry they've me.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Saying your name for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So them with some f bombs behind my name.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
How to say it.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Is?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
They've been saying Brian.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Since nineteen ninety nine.
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I don't know how to say nineteen ninety nine experis,
but but thirty years for sure? Cowboys? Go ahead, please,
I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 9 (01:44):
Boy, Bucho Viejo right with that old We're just taking
this show over, k Hody, let Ambar talk please?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Well, before we do the one started, just wanted to
give a shout out to Derek. He's not here today,
but his baby boy is graduating.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Congrats, Congrats, congrats.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
I can imagine he's being very emotional right now, but
congratulations to him and his whole family. That's very exciting.
And for today's show, I was telling much before we
started that I have a set of questions that they're
just kind of all over the place.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
Nothing new has really happened since.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Last week Wheelhouse.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
It's nothing too crazy, honestly, But we're gonna start with
the first one right now, looking at what the roster
currently looks like. And I don't want to get too
ahead of myself and talk about training camp, but why not,
right sure, which position group currently has the most depth
and which is the biggest concern heading into training camp.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
I think your offensive land room area again is pretty full.
You know, we walked into you know, we walked into
the off season thinking that a couple of people were
gonna getting a lot of reps and that person was
a starter listed as a starter, and the Cowboys made
a Hugh Mugs move in a draft to kind of
mitigate that. So now you have starter level backup guys,
and they may not be guys that you wanted to
(03:13):
be started for seventeen eighteen games, but starting for seven games,
eight games, nine games, we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
They can do that.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Plus, there was just this group of guys that were
just signed how came Identergy and you know Charles that
came out of retirement. So you know, there's a gang
of offensive line here. So if you're talking about real competition,
a lot of those guys maybe not at the top
of the old line room, but the bottom of the
room is definitely gonna be, you know, fighting for their life.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Watch real quick on the depth of that offensive line though, Yes, sir,
and you mentioned some guys coming like retirement guys and
guys that are kind of being bouncing around the league.
But do you feel like there's somebody out of that
backup group that is going to emerge as one of
the ten the weekly maybe at ninth or tenth guy
that we're gonna talk about, Oh man, this is our
swing tackle, this is our swing We kind of think
(03:58):
like Hoffmen and guys like that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One of those guys that they've.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Brought in, Jones, some of those guys gonna be a
a vital piece.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Is gonna have to be a tackle. Brian.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I don't I don't see this world where somebody takes
big Tyler's job or Booker's job, or you know, BB's
done his job at center guy, and we know who
Brock is. But if there's any question mark, if there's
any question mark on his offensive line right now, it's
your left tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
I think Tyler Guiden will be fine. He just needs,
you know, he just needs to get a little bigger
and strong. And we saw him a little bigger and
a little strong. We got a little more time for
him to lift some weights and stronger, eat some peanut butter.
But we got to see got to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
See crustables need to come into play real fast. Right.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
But you know, if you just lay it all out,
I don't see a world where Sadiq Charles is taking
Tyler either either Tyler's job right, But what if Austin
Richards has a rediction.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That's what I want to talk about there, And I
know Ambart's a great question, but I want to talk
about I want to talk about Austome Richards stuff. I
think it's about time for Awesome Richards to step up
really and all of a sudden, we've noticed him at
camps before, a g You and I we've all there,
We've all stood out there and like, oh, look at
Awesome Richards. That one on one rep. That's pretty good there.
Oh you know what I'm saying, you'll get a chance.
(05:12):
You get yet you're the show. Yeah, get ready to
get there. But to me, that's what I'm saying, if
all of a sudden, Awesome Richard shows up as a
guy that's really seriously competing at the left tackle spot,
huge win, huge win for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Now, how Bryant, how good does Austome Richards have to
be to seat Tyler Guide? Because they're gonna give Guide
every opportunity to the job. However, we saw Tyler Guid
and got a little healthy last year and was still taking.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Coaches fighting for their jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Coaches fighting for their jobs there, that's a hey, we
have to we have to win, we have to cover,
we have to do They were they weren't going to
they they weren't going to play that kid. It's a
shame did it all went down that way? But you
had coaches fighting for their jobs that that wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
So whether it be guided playing poorly or if Awesome
Richards just emerges, right, that's that's really how good does
Auesome Riches have to be in order for us to
go all?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
That was the previous playing Awesome Richards is killing it
right now like a like a Dak Prescott, Tony Romo.
We can't deny a young kid anymore. How good does
awesome have to be?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I think it comes down personally For me, it comes
down to consistency. Can you consistently be good? Because I
think he's shown traits of being good and what he
could be. But to me what I've seen, it just
hasn't been consistent. Now that has to do with how
much opportunities, how much playing time do they give him?
And you already talked about that. What was happening last year.
(06:47):
But I think if you can consistently show up, that's
something that is very valuable, especially especially in the O line,
that's something that you really need to have from somebody.
So that's number one. Yeah, bullet point for me. How
consistent are you?
Speaker 7 (07:04):
What's kind of happened with Bass and all those guys
and Nathan Thomas and those guys.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
What's gonna happen to see the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nathan Thomas one? We don't really know about there. My
hope is that Nathan Thomas is a guard. You know,
we always talk about in college football the red shirt
where you don't you know, you maintain your eligibility, but
you don't play that year.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
What you do then is you go into the weight room,
you do all these things.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Hopefully's the diet, the meals, working with you know, the
extra work that he's getting with the strength coaches and
you know, the trainers and stuff like that. Hopefully he
comes back as a different guy that way, because we
once he got to camp, it's like it was just
very very brief. Oh he's over on field too, he's
overdoing this, he's overdoing you know, we didn't get to
see that player that we maybe thought that came out
(07:47):
of Louisiana when they drafted him.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So my hope is that all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
He's competing with Hoffman, He's competing with bass. I think
Hoffman's on this team because I think he's your backup center.
So that's where now everybodybody else, I think is free game.
If I could circle back though about with about with
what's going on with Geyton, I think Giton is going
to have more rope than than than maybe anybody else
(08:13):
that competes with him at that spot. You know, I
really really really do, because I think that they want
him to be that guy. I think they I think
they really really want to see and maybe that's something
with Jerry and Steven and Will ask Brian Schottenheimer, Hey,
find ways to get some of these guys involved that
we drafted. And I think there's going to be times
(08:34):
where all of a sudden we're looking at Geyton and
we're saying, whoa good repod, Oh that was a bad rep.
Oh that was another bad rep. I think he's going
to have some rope here, but I would love to
see some competition over there, and if the best guy wins,
let that be the case.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Also, that's the nature of when you're drafted in the
first round. Sure rope is going to be a little
longer than so it's going to be an interesting Smith
petition there as it was kinda it's kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Trust more trust.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
We can feel this whole saving watch this, Uh, ladies
and gentlemen, Brian bro bar Garcia, if I could just
name another unit that's kind of packed up in there,
and I think it's gonna bring a little bit of
controversy come camp times.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Those edges. You know you you you you draft a guy.
Micha is a guy.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Dante Fowler is a guy that was here and he
wasn't really you know, he wasn't really utilized properly. Confusing
he goes to Washington Football Wizards.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The football Wizards, we've learned about.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Double digit sack guy. I imagine he's gonna come back
here and he'll be used as a double digit sack guy.
Marshawn Kneeling, young guy, Peyton Turner. It's probably gon be
like a rundown guy for you. What does this leave
Sam Williams. That's why I'm asking you, guys, where does
this leave Sam Williams? In this this room full of
full of edge guys, full of past rush. And you
can only rotate and and and bring so many of
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those guys.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
To the bus. What about what about edge? Do we do?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We do?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
We do?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
We lose somebody that we didn't think woul that we
didn't think that we would lose.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right, I wonder how much rope that Sam Williams has.
See That's the thing about it is with Sam. And
I'm sure there's people watching this right now and saying, hey,
brought us you cut Sam Williams.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
He will be on someone's roster, you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
We saw it with Randy Gregory, Yeah we saw you know.
That's exactly right. Guy's got a lot of talent. But
Ambar says, how about some consistency, Give me some consistency,
you know, go out there. There's times where he's flashed.
That's what scarre scouts to death. So all of a
sudden you see this flash player and you're like going,
whoa wait a minute, this guy and then you know,
(10:34):
kind of disappears. This is a big year for Sam
Williams because there's guys now that had been drafted by
previous regimes that are no longer here and you don't
have that. And I've sat in a lot of those
personnel meetings, you know in the summertime where the coach
is like, oh, we've got to have this guy. Well, coach,
he's not, well, go we got. We can't play without
(10:55):
this guy we get, you know, and now, so I
think Sam Williams is kind of in that category right
now where he must step up. And people again are
out there, I guarantee you, oh yeah, I just kind
of brought us. He'll be on somebody else's team and
he'll be doing something else, are they right, Ambar.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Absolutely, I think that's the consensus and a lot of
people that watched that. But I think Sam Williams, obviously
his injury came at a really bad time for him, terrible,
terrible time, and he.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Was might not a way got valor if if you
had a guy like that and.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
He was ascending.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
But at the same time, something that I think he
embodies what the Cowboys look for in a guy that
represents the star. And this goes beyond the field. What
you don't see, it happens behind the scenes. He's a
guy that has been showing up consistently last year, even
though he wasn't on the field and he was recovering,
he was always there. He was always and I say
(11:48):
always quote unquote, but every time I saw a community event,
who was there showing up Sam Williams showing Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I thought you were going to take this another way?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
What way?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I thought you were gonna take this in the way
that he likes to drive fast and cause problems time because.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
For something that happened.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, no, no, no, I'm just saying I thought you
were gonna say, well, we don't.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Really get quick.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
He has learned from that experience.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I think when I got a race team, I'd love
saying first one.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I think it's changed and he has improved.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, I see what you're doing here. I see what
you're doing.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
That happens since that incident.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Will effects playing a good way?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Will effect Think that again, if you are committed into
showing up to the recovery and the training and with
those coaches and training and doing everything that you need
to do to get back onto the field, it's.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Going to show up on the field.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Now, penalties and all that crazy stuff that has happened.
As far as discipline, I think he's a motivated guy,
and I'm rooting for him right now.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
This team has has shown you that they have a
hard work and wire receiving a hard working right guard.
And both those guys got bumped down by better dudes.
Shout out of saying I'll we make it because look,
we need you, we need you player. But uh boy,
it's some It's some guys in that room. And if
I had to think about what my NASCAR pass Rushie
packager look like, it'll it'll be Micro over there. It'll
(13:11):
be Dancy or Michael roaming around somewhere, Dante over there,
Donovan'll be getting some os. Is probably gonna be in
the middle of somewhere Overshawn when he's healthy, he's blitzing
from somewhere. It's gonna be hard to take somebody off
the field, but we'll see.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
We'll see special teams you need to get.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's you got hurt.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Moving all right, let's go ahead and take our first break.
When we come back, we'll continue this conversation and how
the roster is currently looking like here with the Cowboys.
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Speaker 8 (16:51):
It was good. Thank you for that. Appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
What does the current roster suggest about the Cowboys launch
and vision? Are they building for twenty twenty five playoff,
push or laying the groundwork for twenty twenty six again
looking at a lot of young talent that they've brought in.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I know what he's going to say, but go ahead,
I gotta leave it off. I go ahead, No, go ahead, Well,
I mean so polite.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Well, if you're drafting a guard, I'm gonna agree with
what he says. If you're if you're drafting a guard
and a you know, like a young pass rusher and
a running back, that would make me think that they're
looking for the future. But you you you rolling some dice,
yeah on this pickings thing, you know, and they value
third round picks like some teams value first round picks.
(17:39):
So if you want to give that thing away just
to have another dude up in here, I think that
says a lot about what they're trying to do right now.
I feel like as long as you have four, you're
in the fight somehow, like like Dak is you know,
he's here, he's healthy. You're in the playoff situation somehow.
So from there, if you're trying to win this year,
it's your job to to give him what he needs.
(18:01):
And it's been a while since Dak has had everything
that he needs. Or just think about how the Eagles
run things, right, if Dak had one of those type
you know, deals or whatever, We're just constantly filling their
roster up. The Eagles show you how urgent they are
to win championships, and they win championships, right, So this
Saquon Barkley move and them may be a George Pickens
move for like just this top tier player, and we're
(18:21):
giving up all of our resource for it. They didn't
do that, but we give up all just this third
round pick that the Cowboys love.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To go get George Pickens. I was shocked by this.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
And he's on the last deal of his the last
year of his deal. Yeah, the Cowboys shooting the dice
on this.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, my friend.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That's a situation where too, you know, even look at
what they're doing on the defensive side of the ball.
With the addition of the linebackers, you know, the defensive line,
the guys that they've added there. You know, they've added
veteran guys, a couple of guys on some one year deals. Heck,
we just talked about Fouler, you know. I mean they've
added some guys to try and make a run right
now and be competitive. I don't look at it as
(18:56):
band aid type moves, but I kind of look at
it as like, you know, sometimes you go bottom fishing,
and it's like you get what you get. You get
some trash fish on your hook.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I think the Cowboys they had a plan for what
they wanted to do to trading wise. I think the
fact that they stayed aggressive even after the draft, that's big.
Going after George Pickens. You know, they said, you know,
they saw a situation George Pickens probably not fitting in
with what the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Steelers are doing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The fact that they even talked about Bateman from the
Ravens that's a second round pick, but he wanted more
money and stuff like that. So they they're trying right now.
The right guard helps the quarterback. The young running back
helps the quarterback because he might be the future guy.
When this is all said, and done. But look at
the things that they were able to do with the
wide receiver. That might be a one year rental for
(19:44):
a third round pick. That's an aggressive move right there. Defensively,
Like I said, they've added a lot of some veteran
guys over to that side of the ball. This is
not really a long term thing involved. This is more
about playing for now.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Ah, brother, let me ask you something.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
You remember a couple of days ago, Shottenheimer did his
you know, press conference or whatnot, and they was like, hey, Shotty,
what win to the Pickings thing?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
And Shotty was like, oh, yeah, we did a ton
of research and we felt good and we all talked
about it, and we all got together as a great
big family, talked about George Pickens pulled the trigger. Now
he's here. Comparing contrast that to when Mike McCarthy was
on the radio one O five three and asked him
about Trey Lance and Mike and Mike was like, I
didn't even know that they were trade for Trey Lance.
Trey Lance just happened to pop up on my doorstep.
(20:29):
Nobody asked me about the quarterback situation or what I
thought about backup at all.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Just Trey Lance is here.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Now what do you think about the differences in those
two situations? Who like does one have more power than
the other or was Mike McCarthy just not interested in
team in team building when Schottenheimer is Dan Quinn when
he needed help, happening to get all the help that
he wants. So now we're here Schottenheimer Draft day, Bryant
tapping on the board, fighting for his guys. Right, he
(20:56):
has a saying what's going on? He gets these guys.
Mike McCarty, Oh, yeah, it doesn't matter who you pick,
got X, Y, Z and bar.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
What do you say about what I just said?
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Well, again, looking back at that first press conference that
where the Cowboys were introducing Schottenheimer as a new head
coach and something that they talked about and that Jerry
Jones mentioned that he gained a lot of respect from
Brian because times where he knew when to keep his
mouth ghost. Yeah, but that didn't mean he wasn't aware
(21:29):
of what was happening, and when the time came, he
let it all out and talked and really voiced his opinion.
I think that just it instilled a lot of respect
and it gained a lot of power. He was able
to gain power, and again, when you start talking to
him and listening to him, you started just buying what
(21:49):
he's selling and falling for what he's doing. And this
is just a difference of personality. It's not to say
that Mike McCarthy wasn't respected here and that the Cowboys were,
you know, paying attention to what he was trying to do,
because they did a lot to kind of let him
do his thing. Obviously, there were times where you had
(22:10):
question mark, like the running back position, there were a
lot of question marks what was happening there in some
of the decisions that were taken with that position specifically.
But Shottenheimer, even though he doesn't have the experience, what
he's doing, is very magical in the way that he's
been able to gain so much power here and to
be listening is especially during the draft, making those decisions.
(22:33):
So it just goes back to saying, it seems like
everybody gets along and everybody is on the same page
and in tune, and there's no those random oh wait,
what y'all did that? Yeah, I didn't know about it
first time hearing about it. So everyone seems to be
in sync with this and he goes back to the
new culture that he's trying to put here with the team.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
I just think it's interesting because you know, fans will
get on social media and fuss and look, I'm fans also,
I'll go out there and fuss like one of the
Jones is doing anything. I wonder if Mike was just
one of these guys like, hey, just give me the
guys and I'll just coach w whatever that you that
you get for me, right. But I wonder if the
Joneses this whole time, they just had this checkbook waiting,
waiting for Mia McCarthy and he just didn't use it. Schottenheimer,
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twenty days on the job, goes, hey, man, some gotta
happen here, here, here, here, here, And now we see
stuff happening. And this has been one of the more
active offseas that we've had. I just wonder if that's
because of the head coach.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, he's not afraid to speak and walk around and
say hey, I want this or I want that and
voice it. And I think when you walk around with confidence,
it just it changes the environment that you're starting to
create around you. So I'm excited to continue to see
what all they're building here. Next question for you guys,
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which undrafted and we haven't really talked about undrafted free
agents on this show, but which undrafted free agent or
late round pick has the best chance in again ahead
of ourselves because we haven't seen real practice, but who
has the best chance of making the fifty three man roster?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Man?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Do I need to go into my film? MafA? Well, no,
it's I'm saying though, but late draft pick?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Right? Is that? Was that the question?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Late draft pick?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I know you're going to say the Auburn tight end.
I know what you're gonna do there. I'll let you
explain that one. Uh, the I could say I'm interested
in Vatch and I were doing our show last night
and we were talking about this. I want to be really,
really really wrong about film MafA. I want to be
wrong about him. And I'm saying this right now in
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a way of I'm intrigued by what the cowboys are
going to see in this guy, because me personally, I
know when we were doing work on the Draft show,
there was guys like Alan from you know, Syracuse, Crosskey,
Merrit from the from New Mexico, Arizona, U the colleges
and you know, and then Crossky Merrit gets selected right
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after MafA does, and so now you're like going, WHOA,
And I know Vatch was on cross Ky Merrick. So
now you've got somebody in the division. And if he
turns out to be and an early indication reports are
like people are like, whoa, they got this late round guy.
So I'm interested ambar and and and and I'm interested
if MafA is going to come in and look better
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than Williams and Sanders and can he pair with Blue?
That's that because they they have done something there that
I personally wouldn't have done. But that's them, and that's good.
That's that's their jobs to do that if they pull
this off where all of a sudden, film MafA comes
in here and is a physical running back that's you know,
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getting tough yards. And then and you know, maybe they're
looking at more of the inside game stuff too. When
you draft a guy like Booker, maybe they've come in
and evaluated. Maybe we're not gonna see as much of
pinning polls and things that we talked about. Maybe it's
going to be about combo blocks and deuce blocks and
second level blocks and those kinds of things. You know,
maybe that element of getting the ball on the edge
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is going to turn into Blue being on the edge.
But if Phil Moffa comes in and shows in training
camp he's that tough kind of a runner that we
saw a little bit at Clemson. Man, tip of the
cap to them, because I personally would have gone a
couple of different directions there other than him.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I'd love to be proven wrong about that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
One as far as mine.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
You know Brown, we already talked about this back and
forth about this, you know fair Weather from Auburn.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Right, yeah, tight end. Sometimes it's not about how good.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Your quarterback player was all over the place. They're terrible, terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Sometimes it's not about how how good you are versus
the whole team. Right, he may be the seventy something
best player on his team, it doesn't matter. It's about
his room and his role in that room. That's why
I think it's going to give him an easier route
to the team or whatnot. Right, Because if you're a
let's say you're a pass rush, you gotta go against
the three other pass rushers. There's Michael Parsons is there,
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Donovan is there, Dante. It's tough for a young pass
rusher to come in and take pass rush reps. Not
only is tight end easier small room, but the tight
end room is broken down into rolls, right like Jake's
the one guy that is what it is. Then you
got these blocking tight ends. So Luke and Brevin are
kind of fighting each other. But then there's like this
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jump ball, red zone guy, catch, radious guy, vertical guy,
seam guy, John Stevens, who.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
We thought John Stevens was John Stevens, and we were
ready to give that to John Stevens absolutely. You know,
previously it'll be like hendershot of something. He'll be the
downfield kind of guy.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
But John Stevens torn a cl and then he tore
it again, or tore the same or just tore two
different al I don't know. He's coming off a cl
right now. So if you're fair Weather, you don't have
to be better than Ferguson or Luke or Dak Prescott.
You just got to beat John Stevens, yeah, coming off
ACL new coaches, whatever, whatever. And they're the same kind
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of guy, that same vertical downhill guy. So if you're Fairweather,
just make a couple more plays, just don't drop pass
us If John Stevens isn't blocking all that well? Man,
Let me come in there and block some special teams
is very important for that section of the roster. Go
out there and tackle somebody, and I think that's the
air quote easiest route. There's no easy route to this thing.
Everybody's gonna have to fight for their life out there.
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But I think typically tight ends are kind of raised
by four like Dak makes these guys you know, as
good or as bad as who they are. So just
imagine Fairweather go out there making plays, jumping over people.
Dak's high point and he's jumping up and getting over people.
Farewell's gonna have a great argument to.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Make this team.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It'll be a fun training camp for sure. Let's go
ahead and take our final break, and when we come back,
will continue discussing some of these position battles that we
are expected to watch during training camp.
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Alright, guys.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Next question for y'all, which position battle should fans watch
most closely?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
In camp?
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Corner, running back or swim tackle which would already?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So let me ask you this, how are you wording battle?
For example, this is what I've been talking about, right,
If Tyler Booker is in a battle, do you mean
the Booker of the battle that he's having with Hoffman
or the battle that he's having with Masi or something
like like? Which like which battle we're talking about? You
won't think about it.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You're going to the script to me, Okay, I No,
I'm thinking in general, because I'm thinking, Okay, is anybody
actually set one hundred percent? Even when you look at
Corner for example, sure.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
No, no, even though he's a starter, right.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
So it's still like I think all of these positions
have question marks around them.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Well, if that's the case, Corner is definitely the room
that's that's fighting the most. We have a room full
of outside guys.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We don't really have a whole person Butler.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
You know, so so you know, and and everybody's knee
is hurting. So not only are they, you know, fighting
to be better, but they fighting and get healthy first.
So that's that's gonna be kind of an issue there.
Besides that, I mean, I don't really have a good
idea of who your first three corners are, Like, yeah,
they're fighting for their spot, but who are those guys
going to be? Because I don't even know when the
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like even even Revel, right, Revel may be cleared and
good to go, but is he going to be the
Revel that we watched on film last year?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Bryan?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So it trust.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Durron, Bland and Elam are are probably.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
The contract year for him, right for sure?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
For sure?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
So Bland, Elam and Kayln Carson. If Bland is your
best guy, do you just throw him in the nickel?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (33:43):
If Bland is cornerback one, does he travel and then
you kind of move those other guys around. I think
it's a weird little a weird little battle.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
With a corner.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Butler's too, I think I think you have to include
Josh Butler in that group too.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Is he healthy? What is he going to back?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he's he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think that to me, Like I say, he'll be
a part of the part of the I need to
I do need to check on him. I'm interested to
see what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
It's safety And I say that in a in a way.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Of because the previous regime man really really liked Wilson
and Hooker, and so now where does this regime stand
when it comes to Thomas and Butler?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And a guy that I almost mentioned is a rookie
ambar that maybe a guy that Elijah Clark, you know,
the safety from Syracuse. He was a guy that when
if you watch him play and if you if you
just go on, how much signing bonus the Cowboys gave
to these undrafted rookies, he was a top dog. And
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last you saw last year where span Ford was, he
was the top dog. So they think enough of this kid.
My gut feeling is this guy probably sat Clark sat
pretty high on their draft board.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So if that's the case, sat high on draft board,
he got a sizable bonus. Is he competing with Is
he trying to knock Thomas out? Who got money? Is
he trying to knock Bell out? Who got money? Are
they trying to knock Wilson out? Who would be cap
savings if you knock him out?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
You know that's important.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So yeah, I always you know, Mickey would always say
follow the money.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
In this case, you might follow the money.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But but I think there's going to be some legitimate
competition at the safety spot depending on how guys. I
don't think it's I don't think you could put it
in pen that Wilson and Hooker are going to be
the starters when you open on Thursday night in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Brian Bros.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Do you think does Brian brod Us think that if
Mark He's Bell outplays Donovan Wilson?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I would hope he, I would hope.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
What does Brian Bros Think?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because no, No, hope is hope is terrible plan. Hope
is a terrible plan. A lot of hope.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
If Mark he's Bell, goes out there, tears it up,
whoops it. Yes, he's covering better. Sure does he get
the toms?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Sure, absolutely, I'll say it because I I do believe.
I do believe that Thomas Bell, Clark Clark being new.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think it's there's a fresh approach now.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I talked to Mike Zimmer for a long time before,
you know, before training camp and when we're out there
in ox Start, and he was talking about he was saying.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know, I really like Wilson, I really like you
know Hooker.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm like, okay, And I said, well, I need to
keep my down mouth shut because I was always trying
to replace Hooker, you know. And then so but I
just kind of feel like Bell and Thomas have to
feel like they caught a break here with a new
new coaching staff, especially new coaches in the secondary.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
There was a lot of times last year or a
year before where we'll be having trouble from a coverage
you know, and you and you play safety like coverage
is what you do. And Cowboy Nation, Cowboy fans were
just sitting around tapping a watch, going, man, when are
we gonna try something different?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh? No, it hadn't always been that way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I took an ass kicking from fans about Hooker and
then he got extended and.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Like, oh see what you think, bro? You know, and
then then then we get the well he's not playing
very well right now, you know, And I'm like, okay,
tell him you was right brow, No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's not the idea is. The idea is though, that
you try and get ahead of that, you try and
get ahead of paying a guy, and then all of
a sudden and it doesn't work out. You could say
that right now about Wilson. It just hasn't worked out.
Like you know, the Cowboys started with guy's super tough,
he's super physical.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
But you know, you have to play with instincts.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You have to be able to tackle well, and you
can't make mistakes and if they put you in coverage,
you can't get it exposed.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
These are things you.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Have to kind of think about when you're when you're
talking about safety play well, I hope they get a
fair shake.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
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Speaker 7 (38:09):
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Speaker 4 (38:12):
So y'all watch them.
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You have to watch the podcast.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Oh we gotta pay for y'all salary here, ay me first,
and then.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Go and get you get you down white, go ahead, please?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
All right?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
You mentioned MICHAEH. Parsons earlier and about moving him around
a lot. Is it smarter to keep him full time
rushing or moving him around like a chess piece.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Well, we've been fighting this fight since we found out
that Micah can can pass rush, you know. And uh,
some coaches will tell you the coaching philosophical reasons why
you shouldn't move him around. And then we'll play Cleveland
and Miles Garrett is just stepping walking over your center
and you go, damn boy, showed be nice and we
can do some of that now.
Speaker 16 (38:58):
T J.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Watt doesn't move. He plays on his side. But when
you see Miles Garrett just floating around, you just get jealous. Right, So,
I think when Michael got most of his sacks, it
was him hovering over a gap and b gap. That's
when he really got got busy. Something we called on YouTube,
find the scrubs.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
What we call it right.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
And something that will bother me is we'll go play
the Giants and we'll just line michaeh over Andrew Thomas
all pro Andrew Thomas the whole game. It'll make me sick.
And look, Michael got sacks on Andrew Thomas. But boy,
imagine how many sacks you can get on John Michael
Smith if you just line them up over there. So
I do think you have to think about the the
the you know, base of your defense being you know solid,
(39:35):
and we're not gonna move him so much that he's
getting washed out of these plays. But it just gives
the other side one more, one more thing to think
about if Micah's all over the places as opposed to
I don't have to look.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I just know he's right there.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, why don't you find a way? And this is choice.
I used to say this, you know what, what's coaching?
What's what's coaching?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Wait? Paid these guys, we wait what's coaching for? See?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
To me, this is where to me moving Mike around
and even pairing finding him not I agree with wauch about, hey,
find the weakest link on that offensive line and just
let it try, but try and do your best to
set it up where it's one on one where that
weak link can't get help. You know, you move him around,
but also pair him with other guys that can pass rush.
(40:16):
There's nothing wrong with putting him with Osa and you
get a pick and a twist. There's nothing wrong with
putting him on the same side with Fouler and making
them have to deal with two guys. You know, all
of a sudden, Wow, they've got two legitimate rushers on
the outside here. There's nothing wrong with standing him up
and letting him run right through the B gap and
making a back and if they know a team is
(40:38):
going to be very reliant on a running back with
Blitz pickup help and putting Mike on that back and
getting that one on one matchup.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It might happen one or twice, one.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Or two times a game, but maybe it's one or
two sacks you get in a game, and maybe that's
the difference in the game. So yes, move him around,
find favorable matchups, but also pair him with other linemen
that can that can cause problems and make teams have
to deal with blocking two guys to the same side.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Well, Brian Brosley Man ask you is is this the
first time Mica has had like a real running mate
from from a past rush standpoint, right, like like tank
Tank Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Hank started going down.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
He's always been a great rundown, but he's never been
It's been a long time, a long time since double
digit sack is double digit sack. Michael hasn't had a
double digit sack running mate. Well, we got Dante foul
who's a double digit sack guy. Now, you know, Donovan
is gonna be a help. He's a ricket. We can't
expect too much out of him, and you know, also
we'll just hope that we can get some good pass
(41:37):
rush from him from b gap, Is is this the
best crew of past rush running mates maybe not run
stopping but pass rush running mates that Michaels has since
he been here?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Kind of feel like.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
I know, thanks, don't hurt yourself, buddy.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh he does that all the time. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I didn't even say because when you say, oh, that's
a great question, you're installing to try and figure things something.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
To influence his opinion.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Yeah, I just want to know what thought. I just
thought it was a genuinely good question, and both of
you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What about that?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
What about some of his sixteen sack seasons? Though when
it was Fowler and Parts, Yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
It was more so a bunch of guys like Michael
would get his sex.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
But but they didn't. You didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
You didn't think of Darence Armstrong as a sack guy.
You didn't think as a sack guy. You got sack guys.
Now that's asking is this his best group of set guy?
I don't know what the run defense is gonna look like.
I hope eber Flu's got some magic. Does he can
just spring along everybody and just run game?
Speaker 9 (42:38):
Just I think I think that dealt with I think
that's gonna come down Overshown was going to be a
pass rusher for see that.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Apparently Shamar James is gonna be a pass ords. Is
this the best group of past?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
See that's the thing with Tjamar James that we saw
at at Florida. We were worried about. And we're not
getting to see every single practice. You know, once a
week you get to see a practice. Maybe the other
practices he's messing up things. But it sounds like to
me he didn't play with a lot of instincts at Florida.
So what you say, put them as a will linebacker,
let them rush, So maybe that's something.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That you need to do.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I think overall, if you look at potentially with Osa
being a pass rusher Parsons, as we've mentioned, I think
that even you know, I think that it's kind of
we'll see, you know, with the Fowlers obviously going to
give you give you some stuff there. I don't know
if it's the best group he's played with.
Speaker 8 (43:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
What the difference is, I think is that going into it,
you you in your mind kind of know what to
expect based on their previous experience, as opposed to the
previous group. Not from last year, but like a couple
of years before you didn't know what to expect, but
then they were shining and make it happen. That's the difference.
(43:48):
It's like one is you have guys that has shown
it before versus the others that it just kind of
happened without you necessarily respecting me.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Doris Armstrong getting nine sex wasn't on anybody.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Okay, see that's it. As Araco be that guy. I
mean that that to me.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
If you want to ask me that question, and I'm
thinking about Okay Faller as Roku, I'm thinking about these guys.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I'm thinking but we don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I mean, we've seen him at the collegiate level have
huge success.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
So now is Donovan as the third pass rusher and
if you're let's say you're doubling Michael or Michael has
some actual attention that now Donovan is Aroku gets the
better looks, the better one on one looks.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, if Eiraku could be a factor as a pass
rusher with Fowler, maybe we'll see with Sam Williams how
that all plays out and stuff like that. But you know,
if you if if Israku then shows up, like you know,
we think that he all might, then I would say, yeah,
but we'll have to see Ezerako be that guy.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
One last point too, is I know Ambarre ready to
get up out of here. One last point is I'm
a person if this offense scores the way that it
that it should and the defense against so many more
opportunities to.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's that's yeah, that's the key. You You've got to
find a way that you can't be in. I didn't
want to say that.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
What else is there to say?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That you think you think you know long reach bottom.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
You're gonna have to ice dot arm.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
Please well, thank you guys so much, Thank you watch.
Thank you Brian for always having a lovely energy. Shout
outs to Derek and his family again, thank you guys
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