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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and
Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
It is Friday, December fifth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
Episode number eighty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of
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got to talk about this game from last night, Cowboys

(00:58):
lose on the road to the Detroit Lions, UH forty
four to thirty game that that, honestly, I don't know
if I ever felt like the Cowboys really could get
into it. It seemed like for forever they just kind of
were trailing, trying to get back in. Even when they
got to three points. It just didn't feel like they
had control of that game and they end up losing
it uh to the Detroit Lions on the road. We'll

(01:21):
talk about all that real quick. Before we do that, though,
we have a little special surprise for all of you
out there listening. I know Friday, we said if you
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On YouTube, you can be.

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look around, see what it's like down on the field.
Then you'll go back up to the suite where I'll
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In the suite.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
She has a full, you know, full menu of food there.
You won't have to pay for anything, food, drinks. You'll
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So, however, no transportation is being provided.

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Getting that, there are a couple things this close.

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One of them is there is no no transportation provided
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All you got to do is get to the stadium.
You get to the stadium, take care of the experience, right.
The second thing is this is not transferable. You cannot
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Uh.

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This is only for you and a guest. If you
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will move on to the next winner, hopefully. But it
is only for if you're going to be able to
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Speaker 2 (03:20):
If nobody get the answers, can I get it? Can
I go on the sideline?

Speaker 7 (03:23):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
No?

Speaker 8 (03:24):
Do you want to work on games before work on
game that I will leave all that to come to
do the stuff on the side of the suite seven.

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I speak first to come on vatch.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
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Speaker 2 (03:41):
What seriously, all right, here's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
What you just said you cannot keep us. You cannot
keep us.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Means, okay, here's what we're gonna do in order to
scratch that.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, you have to give me another in order in
order to win.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Here's what you need to do.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
There are going to be four questions that we're gonna pose.
There's gonna be a question about each of our hosts.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
There's gonna be a question for each of our hosts,
and the first person that text our text line with
the four answers, the correct four answers will win the prize. Now,
all answers have to be in one text message, but
the first person that can get all four questions correct
will ultimately win the prize, really great prize.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
All right, So here's what we're gonna do. Here's the
four questions.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
All right, make a different one of.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
You want to give me? What was the one that
I say, keep the same one?

Speaker 6 (04:32):
You literally just gave my answer away, all right, because
you can't keep your mouth shut.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's a free space.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Okay, all right, here's what we're gonna do. Here the
here are the here are the four questions I got.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I got the one. We had it first.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Okay, okay, So here's what we got.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You stract, friend, you do just gave it away.

Speaker 9 (04:53):
All right?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So we got we got four questions. Here's this question.
I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
What position did he play back in his football playing days?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Are you asking me?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
No, I'm asking the listeners. You just don't give it away,
all right? Question for Brian where did he scout before
he came to Dallas? Just before he came to Dallas?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Question for Derek who was the head coach when he
started working for the Dallas Cowboys? And question for Amber
where what is her country of origin?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
All right?

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Got that votch. Where did he what position did he
play when he played football?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Brian?

Speaker 5 (05:26):
Where did he scout immediately before taking the job with Dallas?
Derek who was the head coach of the Cowboys when
he started working?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
And Amber? What is her country of origin? Here are
here are the text. Here's the text.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Number No, no, no, do not do it?

Speaker 6 (05:43):
For he's gonna give it away too.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is it specifically?

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I want a position name, not a group. I want
a position names. I want a position name. All right,
So the the text number is eight one seven, two
nine zero three two nine eight. Again eight one seven,
two nine zero three to two nine to eight. Our
producer says that number will actually be scrolling on the
bottom of your screen if you're watching live, so you
should be able to see it there. But again eight

(06:07):
one seven, two nine zero three two nine eight text
in your answers.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
The first person with all four answers correct and one
text message will win the opportunity to come to the
Vikings game in the suite sideline passes with a guest
and enjoy a game with our VIPs.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
And real Quick Sunday. I just saw the first text
come through. Make sure you guys send all the answers
at once.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yes, all the answers have to be in one text message,
and so you have to send it all one text message.
That's how we'll know that it's all together and it's
the right answer.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
We're getting some good answers texting in the chats.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
None of them are right so far. See, it's a
text line. Yeah, Yeah, that's actually.

Speaker 10 (06:53):
That's why I don't work here, Brian, Brian, That's why
I don't work here. I get all kinds of perks
and amenities at all the other places that I work Brown,
I come here, I just.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Get to talk and lead.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
That's that's because you'd be giving away everything.

Speaker 10 (07:05):
This is the first time I've done this in the year.
Last week you were doing the SAXT week to show show.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
Just use what just literally happened right before we weren't
on the air. We came up with our own questions.
We said, Okay, for Amber, we're gonna say, what's her
third language? Seven minutes into the show, watch us here
suv play, suver play.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
They don't know what they speak French?

Speaker 6 (07:28):
You speak French?

Speaker 10 (07:31):
The answer immediately they knew that already.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
These these people don't miss it right yet.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
Well, I've been talking so because you said, all right, is.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
What we're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Let's go ahead and get into this breakdown Cowboys. The
first forty four I know breaks himing up. Uh, they
lose forty four to thirty before we go to break
Let's let's get into the storylines of the game.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Tell what was the storyline of this game for you.
Watch man flew yours.

Speaker 10 (07:58):
I was gonna let you off the hook because of
last two Man, I'm ten toes down, brother, were up
against the break. I'll just keep it shure, we'll talk
about it more later. Man, the defense didn't do much
to help you in this one. Derek said it said
it perfectly. You didn't really feel like you had an
opportunity to really catch up in this game.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was surprised. I was a fuddled.

Speaker 10 (08:16):
We got to the end of the third fourth quarter,
I was like, man, how are the Cowboys in this
because it seemed like everything Cowboys did offensively was difficult,
but everything that the Lions did was super easy. So
maybe that says a lot about the Cowboys offense then
being able to overcome it versus and still fighting, you know,
you know, just build up field gos to like stay
in the game or whatnot. But you just couldn't get
a stop. You could not get one stop. So that's

(08:38):
what that is.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
How could you be so bad on kickoff coverage?

Speaker 11 (08:42):
How can you allow them to have basically a short
field majority of.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
This game with their backup by the way.

Speaker 11 (08:48):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden, then you're in
a situation where it's not anything that Detroit was doing
exotic or anything like that. You go back and watch it,
it's very simplistic. Dallas tried some things did work, you know,
but you were so bad on kick coach, your field
position in that game. What you were allowing the Lions.
You didn't make the Lions have to drive the ball

(09:09):
on you at all in that football game. And plus
with with Bochs talking about a leaky defense and an
offense that was chasing points all night, the field position
was a big factor in that game.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Last real quick, Brian on that point, the Detroit Lions
starting average field position was their own forty one. Crazy
Cowboys were their own twenty eight. That's a big difference
when your average is your opponent's. For their their average
is their own forty one. All right, story game.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
She had a little question there. She was reading the check.

Speaker 12 (09:40):
No, because I've been scrawling through they're coming in really fast.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah, there's a lot, but I think we have we
do have a winner.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
But you have to go to the first person who
says it, so I have to find out where that Okay,
you're still figuring out who that person is exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, okay, but it's in order, by the way, right.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
I was gonna say, how are we going to say
because I noticed people in saying sending their names, so
we have numbers for numbers.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
In the text.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
We will, but I'm saying, like, oh, we can text back.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Yeah, we can t expect to make sure we got
the all time. You know what I want, whenever we
find that, whenever we.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Find all kind of stupid.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Just about to say, whenever we find the answer. Let's
se if we can get that person on the line.
In the final segment, we'll discuss the break. But the question, yes, storyline,
what's the story?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
The story line for the game. Okay, storyline for this
game is that what happened was exactly what I thought
was going to happen. Yeah, take your glasses off. You know,
I sat here on Friday, I say I picked the

(10:48):
Cowboys to win this game, Bryan Foot on the I said,
the Cowboys have everything they need and to win this
game against the But what happens when you start feeling
comfortable with this team, when you start trusting that they
got it, they show up and start making errors. Because

(11:12):
it's not even about who the Detroit Lions wear a
lot of things happen because of your own mistakes. Yeah,
you can talk about the defense specifically. We know what
the defense is right now, they've gotten better, but you
still know what you're working with. But you also know
with that that your offense cannot make mistakes. You have
to play a clean game and not one mistake happen,

(11:35):
not too multiple multiple mistakes happen offensively, And that is
what is super frustrating to me, because again, you know
the talent that they have. You know they're a very
talented team, and you know what they're capable of, and
it's just very unfortunate that even you have to wait
until the second half of the game for you to
start seeing some movement and some things happen for you

(11:57):
to get into the end zone. And yeah, it's just
very disappointing because again now things and anything can happen. Still,
I don't give up hopes because mathematically you're still in it,
but now it's completely out of your hand, like it's
out of your control. And once again you're sitting in
a position where you feel like you have a lot

(12:18):
of talent on the team, but it's completely out of
your control and you have to depend on other people.

Speaker 10 (12:24):
Now, Didn't we feel like this this defense had had
gotten good enough over the pay, over the since the
bye week, right, Didn't we feel like this defense has
gotten good enough to where the offense can make a
handful of mistakes and that the defense will still be
able to overcome it. I may be wrong, y'all, and
check could tell me from wrong. I think this Cowboys
defense looked just like them Cowboys defense from like five
and six and seven weeks ago to where you just

(12:47):
running around in a circle and no matter who you
got out there, had a conversation. We ain't got to
do this today, but I was one of one of
my post game shows, and you know it was a
big hubub about Michael Partison and how he would have
been better here.

Speaker 9 (12:58):
Man.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
I think a lot of stuff so weird going on
with this defense. I think even if Michael was here,
I don't think that that that you would be able
to do some of the basic things correctly, like tackling
or like you if you're a play caller versus a
timing rhythm offense. Jared gov is gonna catch the ball
and in a certain amount of time he's gonna throw
it in. The ball will be there and the receiver's
gonna be there. I would expect somebody to disrupt the

(13:21):
timing on that route. I would expect for you to
bring a little extra pressure. If we do have one
on ones, bring a six guy. There's something happening in
the defensive operation. Maybe it's the voice, like Ambar says.
If there's something happening in the defensive operation that took
us back to pre bye week, you know what I'm saying.
So we're gonna study it at the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Please, no good.

Speaker 10 (13:41):
We're gonna look into it that the last couple of
weeks just to kind of see where we're at. But
I think this is on the DC, you know what
I'm saying. We saw the Lions DC go through much
more adversity than we went through, and they found a
way to kind of hold the cowboys, our cowboys off
and still explosive, and they did their thing, but they
still found opportunity. The cowboys found no opportunities.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
They make it hard, yeah, and didn't look like the
cowboys made it very hard for the lines. All Right,
we're gonna take our first break when we come back.
I do want to talk about the defensive side of
the ball, because I'll ask the question. I know that
the stats of kind of the well, I shouldn't say
the stats. I know that the way it looked was
like the Cowboys got run on, they got passed on,
they couldn't stop them. But when you started looking at

(14:23):
some of the numbers of what happened in the run defense,
it's an interesting question of did they actually have a
pretty decent game against one of the best rushing offenses
in the league, and was the problem really more about
the secondary.

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We're in the second segment of The Break, live from
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dot Com. All right, we are Chris is like rolling
through these answers. I think we got an we got
a winner, but we're trying to figure all that out.
We will make an announcement here at some point soon
and hopefully, hopefully in the third segment, we might be

(17:50):
able to get this person on the line and talk
to them a little bit before.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
And Derek said, you get to meet me in the suite.
You know what I'm saying, So I'd be there. I'm saying,
I get to shake hands shopping o Q and A.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I'm not sure that's man, but Brin said, he'll come
up and say hi and maybe take a picture with you.
And I'll come through probably before the game, or we
should make I'll bring Amber with me and make her
come over to sign of come and come in signs.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
We should make the FaceTime watch.

Speaker 15 (18:15):
Hey, Derek, we should make VOTs be the host that
has to followhim around the whole time.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
That'd here funny, follow him around the whole time. What
do you mean, Well, I'm just saying, like the person
when they get there, you know, get to get down
to this.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh, you make him follow them around.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
He's a chaperone. He's a chaperone. He wouldn't mind. He
wouldn't mind if you got to be in the suitep.
He'd be like, yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
You'd be a chaperone the whole time. Get him a credential.
All right, let's get back into it.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
I was talking about this defense and as I as
I watched the game, I'm thinking, man, Dallas just has
no answers for this offense. And and by the way,
we all knew going into this game this offense could
be very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I actually thought.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
And when I made the pick, I was assuming that
A Monroe was not playing for sure. When I heard
A Monra was playing, I was like, I don't feel
good about that pick. But that being said that offense.
We knew it was explosive, we knew the running game
was really good. But when you go back and look
after the games, after the game, they held Jamar Gibbs
the twelve carriage for forty three yards a three point

(19:12):
six average. Now, he did have three touchdowns, Montgomery did
have six carries for sixty yards, but together they were
a little over one hundred yards, which facing that offense,
you'd probably say that was somewhat of a win. What
are your thoughts on the Cowboys run defense specifically.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
You know, Gibbs one of those characters. If you just
keep giving them the football, he'll break one at some point.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
Yeah. And if you're a offense coordinator and you see
how brother Flues comes to the party, I'll just stop running.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
I just stop run, which they didn't run a lot
at all.

Speaker 10 (19:42):
If I'm a timing base offense, and I keep saying
it because I think it's important here. If I'm a
timing base offense and you're doing nothing to disrupt my timing,
I'm gonna keep throwing the football.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
I could run and get five yards on you, but
I can throw and get twenty. If you look at
at the flip side right. Think about what the what
the Lions defense did, and they were shorthanded. Girby was
out of their Tyran was out of the branch got hurt. Eventually,
when ced Lamb was going crazy, they didn't say, oh,
let me stop everything to keep CD Lamb from going crazy.

(20:15):
Somebody got to go ceedee Lamb's incredible. What they did
was they kept Pickings from going crazy. Wow, CD was
going crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Even when CD left.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
You can let Flow do his thing, and I might
even deal with your run game kind of sort. And
I may, you know, find a way to do something
with Fird. We can't stop everybody, right, but we ain't
gonna let Pickings go go to too crazy on us right.
The Cowboys defense, I think they were in a certain look.
They wasn't bad the first two drives. The first two drives,
the Cowboys defense did not look look bad to me

(20:44):
at all. They got pushed in the middle, flues, got
some blitzes going. It was positive. We saw some press man.
I tweeted, keep letting my corners pressing man, because it works.
And I think Jamiir Gibbs kind of running around in
a circle on everybody that he made Flues get out
of that. Look, Gibbs gonna do Gibbs, just like they

(21:04):
said CD's gonna do CD. Gibbs gonna do Gibbs. But
what you gotta do is is if Gibbs go crazy,
you can't also have am and Rod having big plays.
You can't also have Jameson Willives having big plays. Isaac
Tesla cannot be scoring touchdowns on you if that's gonna
be the case. And I think the Cowboys and trying
to stop Gibbs got into a defense where everybody got
to go crazy and Flues.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Man, you a grown man. I don't want you know,
I don't.

Speaker 10 (21:29):
Want to use words stubborn or hardheaded, but you couldn't
get out of your own way with that one. And
there was an adjustment to be made, and I just
simply don't think you did it because the same stuff
you ran out there in the second quarter was the
exact same stuff that you ran out there in the fourth.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So I just didn't I didn't see the adjustment. And
me and Brian Bros. Woke up real early and watch.

Speaker 10 (21:46):
The film this morning, real early, and the lack of
adjustments is what is what got Flews down so bad.

Speaker 11 (21:53):
I think, yeah, you know, I think, to me, though,
the numbers and I think I know what Derek's trying
to do here, and the numbers will tell you a
story that there's certain areas where they were pretty good.
The things that might have killed you in this football
game were clearly the turnovers in the field position. You know,

(22:15):
Detroit did not have to do a lot to you.
I felt like Detroit's planned against you was really really good.
And I know we're focusing on the Dallas defense here.
I think Detroit had a really good plan of how
to play you Defensively. They're a team that has been
much maligned. They haven't gotten pass rush. You know, they
struggled with sacks even though they you know, they paid

(22:37):
you know, Aiden Hutchinson a lot of money. They just
weren't doing very much. You know, the pressures were there,
but the sacks weren't. And they were playing so much
man coverage and they were getting killed on They were
getting killed.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Playing so much man. What do they do?

Speaker 11 (22:51):
They played a lot more zone. They did something that
completely out of character to try and and that's what
teams have done against dak Is played a little bit
more zone coverage and making him, he eats man up.
But what happened is Dallas early in that game defensively
went five man rush. They brought pressure. They had like

(23:12):
nine to nine times I believe in the game where
they had they brought the extra rusher, and at nine
of those dropbacks they had, they had three pressures out
of that. And then when they went back the other way,
when they went back to their Foremann line, their pressure
rate went down again. So you know, I don't know,

(23:33):
watch We've all kind of had theories of why that.
Maybe the running backs scared you out of this, maybe
they maybe Saint Brown and Williams scared you out of
them doing some things. But it looked like to me
early in that game they had Golf kind of rattled
a little bit, and I mean rattled of like you
know when you when you see golf in a game
and he starts spiking the ball, like just throwing it

(23:54):
in front of receivers. Then you're like thinking, Okay, you're
getting to him, You're affecting the way.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
And then they went away from that. So you know,
why do you think that?

Speaker 11 (24:04):
I don't know, I don't know what I don't know.
You know, when we get the coordinator availability. I'd sure
like to know. I mean, I used to have the
ability to text the guy and ask him. I'd love
to be able to say, Hey, what scared you? What
scared you to not go after this guy. Now, the
metrics will tell you that against the Blitz, this guy
nine touchdown, zero interceptions and stuff like that. But it

(24:27):
looked like to me in this particular game, your early
pressure affected. Go back and watch the third downs. Think
Dallas played pretty good on third downs. There was times
out in space where they missed a tackle and it
turned into a first and and things like that. But overall,
I just think, man, the turnovers and the field position

(24:48):
were killer in this game. I think you could have
survived the defense the way it was playing if, in fact,
you didn't get where they get fourteen points off turnovers.
That's at you different right there. And the fact, like
you said, but there's something that spooped Eberflus not to
go after this guy like he was going after him

(25:10):
early in that football game.

Speaker 10 (25:12):
And you just simply can't get spooked. You just cannot
get spook. You You actually got good push in the middle,
and I'm just talking about later in the game, like
you got push in the middle. You just didn't have
like the outside stuff finishing or whatever, right, So I
guess they just did a decent job of just ceiling
a gap and b gap or whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
But man, like.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
It's something you know, Flusa, he'll he'll blitz like ready
or something like that. If it's three people on this
defense that I would love to see blitzing Overshawn. I
could see him blisten Mayor's live out. I can see
him blisten Donovan Wilson. I could see him blisting. I
don't think flu Flu's blizzed Mayorage like once or something
like that, and then.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Go back to it maybe and then we think he
got a quarterback hit on that one.

Speaker 10 (25:50):
Yeah, and we just didn't see much of any more
blitz at all, Like I want to see Flus and
maybe it's just him in his own way. But you
have to make the adjustments, right, like like go.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Be go be wing Martin.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Let's let's blizz every play if is working until they,
you know, do something to keep you from doing right.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
Marriors had two Marriors said two blitzes and had one pressure.
And it seemed like the other time he was back
there in the backfield as well, you know, and it's
just it's kind of it's kind of crazy that way
that but something got him out of that. He just
he didn't like what was going on, maybe with his
maybe he was worried about his coverage and all, but uh,
it was It's just an unfortunate way of playing against

(26:27):
a team that I felt like you kind of had
them at a little bit of a they were struggling with.
I mean, it's you look at what happened, you know,
guys Houston. I mean they swing the ball out to
Gibbs and Houston is there and these balls down. I
mean that's just maybe you had the right defense called,
but you just you tripped. You know, you're now you're
on the ground. Now the ball is going for a
first down. And you know there's several plays like that

(26:50):
that happened in this football game that you know that
just you kind of scratch your head and you say why,
But what Okay, I say one thing quick. I know
I don't say things quick, but I will say quick.
Of the three games, the three opponents you played, I
think Detroit's offense is the best one you've played.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, for sure, I agree with that. I think. I mean,
and this is no.

Speaker 11 (27:08):
Disrespect to Kansas City or to Philadelphia, but I think
Detroit's defense puts more pressure on you than the other two.
And maybe that's a little bit of foolscoal for us.
Maybe Dallas was able to adapt to Philadelphia hold them
scoreless for forty one minutes the way they played against
Kansas City, maybe that was kind of like, Okay, you

(27:30):
matched up well against those I don't know if you
necessarily matched up very well against especially with Saint Brown
playing in this football game.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
What do you think were the major breakdowns on the
back end, because we saw them basically taking whatever they want.
They got in a lot of bad situations first and
twenty Yeah, so what what was that the biggest?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (27:48):
I think Dallas's inability. I think they had thirteen mistackles
in this game. That you know, and you look at
how things big run after catch team and so they're
going to take advantage of you getting the ball and
letting those guys run. And you know, I think that Dallas,
when you look at some of the coverage stuff he went,
he went a lot of zone in this game. I mean,

(28:10):
Matt went a lot of zone in this game. And
all of a sudden, you got these crossers. And what
happens is, you know, like on some third down places,
if you go back and watch, there's a ball, Gibbs
gets another swing, the one that went to the flat,
and then Bland missed the tackle and ended up being
a first down. Gibbs man is overshown. What happens overshown.

(28:30):
He looks, he's hesitating, and he doesn't react, and now
all of a sudden, Gibbs is gone, and now he's
not reacting and then gets caught up in all the
crossers that are coming. You know, it's just a well
designed play, but that way they get their backup. They
know you're gonna play man coverage, and then all of
a sudden they are. They're taking care of your guys.

(28:52):
And I know on the back end too, you know,
it looked bad. It looked bad, the situation with Ravel,
you know, on the the play, I mean, he.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Read it wrong. You're gonna get on the touchdown.

Speaker 11 (29:04):
Yeah, the touchdown you're going to get over shown in
the flat and your responsibility is to go deep.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yep, he froze.

Speaker 11 (29:11):
He didn't see it the right way. Everything happened and
instead of reacting like, Okay, I know you got flat,
I got deep.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's growing pain.

Speaker 11 (29:21):
And he just looked awful playing it because it looked
like he was confused and in actuality he was Yeah
he missed.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
He and Vos said it earlier.

Speaker 11 (29:31):
You know, this looked like some of the defense you
saw in week two, Week three, week four, where guys
are not doing their responsibilities.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
About what you think, bro, I'm trying to figure out
this raffle here with Chris. We're together.

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I'm going all the text plans.

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Yeah, you do it on purpose because you see me
focused on these all text messages. But we're just verifying
that we have the correct.

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Way, which you want to make sure to verifying that,
and hopefully we'll get part out of here. In just
a second, we're gonna go and take our final break.
We're gonna come back and talk a little bit about
the offense. We got to talk about George Pickens. It
wasn't a great night for him. We'll talk about that
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in just a moment, maybe even have that personal we'll see.
Let's talk about the offense. Obviously, it was a little
bit of a slow start. Once they got going, it
seemed like they were able to start generating points. But

(33:29):
as you said earlier, watch everything seemed so difficult. It
was so hard for the Cowboys to be able to
move the ball. And part of that was George Pickens.
He had nine targets but only five receptions for thirty
seven yards.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Why was he so ineffective?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Did they did they have a game?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Plan.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
We are taking him out of the game. We're gonna
double team. What did they do to make him so ineffective?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
They didn't let pickings get off in what way?

Speaker 10 (33:53):
Like, what did they do they put They put bodies
over there, they flash hands over there. Sometimes if you deck,
you would looking at and look another way if he's
not like absolutely there and he already has a limited
route tree, and he'll admit it as much as you know,
you got stops, you got slantsy, you got goals. I
think the lines played into that. So if you the Cowboys,
you might want to make an adjustment and have him

(34:14):
run some corners and posts, you know. But I think
it was just more so about CD was just whooping
ass on the other side, Like it was just so
available there for us. And if we get a certain
lotok pre snap where like the numbers are heavier on
one side of the field than the other. And you
got CD one on one with whoever you know, dj Re,
you know Robinson, whoever I'm looking for, CD Lamb and

(34:34):
Cede Lamb quietly just racks up hundreds of yards in
two quarters or so.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So I mean, you know, you know GP, you know
there's a lot.

Speaker 10 (34:44):
There's a lot being made about his route running and
how the urgency in which he runs routes. He's been
running rounds like that all year. You know, from the
snap to the end of the stem is always the same.
He may finish differently, he may you know, he may
change up his change up his tempo towards the end,
he may hand fight you a little bit. But his

(35:05):
lack of urgency running the first portion of his route,
it's always been the same.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Time he does. Yeah, yeah, and it's no excuse. He
just happens to be great like that all again. Just
this game, it just was.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Yeah, I think that you look at the national stage
last night and you know with the you know the
Prime Football Thursday night, everybody watching in Kurt Herb Street,
you know they's talking about and calling him out. If
you really really study this player, it's how he runs routes.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's what he is.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
There's you know, there's I think there's people that had
questions about the sense of urgency and stuff and the
way he goes about it. George Pickens, if you watch
him sixty five sixty nine plays, whatever he plays, you're
in a situation where you'll see him a lot of times,
not run exactly the route, and they'll they'll be they'll be.
Even even in that game last night, the interception was

(35:51):
we think a slant, but it was actually up and
then across like an end, like he was trying to
cut it short. You know, when have you're not seen
George Pickens extend for a ball? You know when there
was a couple of times there were a couple of times.
One of the early routes in the game, though, it's
like he went inside and there was a drop where

(36:11):
he was running the route, but Maddix the safety was
standing right there. I think his attention got distracted that way.
There was the ball that went down the field down
the sidelines. That was the deep ball where everybody, what's
the one thing George Pickens can do. He can track
of football all day, That's what he does. But you
look at where his eyes were, It's like he's outside

(36:34):
eyes trying to nod. Now he's get the separation. Now
he's got Maddix the safety coming over, and he's looking
at Maddox as he's trying to run the route, but
doesn't locate the ball. You know, there were things that
was happening to George in that game that we haven't
seen before. I mean, George Pickens is better than a
fifty to fifty ball catcher, you know, when you talk
about the hands and stuff to catch percentage.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
He's one of those guys you don't have to usually.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
Worry about him. But that's that's really kind of how
he runs routes. We watch a lot of tape, we
watched games. People that study George Pickens will tell you.
Jesse Holly made the comment last night, Hey, don't come
at me about how George Pickens runs routes.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
This is how he runs routes. And he's absolutely right
about that.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
So it's just unfortunate they have now the way that
things the way they kind of they affected him in
this game. How do you take away a slant? What
you do is you buzz a linebacker underneath angelone, you
know Campbell. What they do is, if they know he's
wide to the opposite side, you take that linebacker and

(37:37):
you buzz him into that area and try and prevent that.
What else do you do? Well, when Lamb went out
of the game, they went single high and they start
they started shading the safety to his side of the field.
Is what they did. So once Lamb was out, they said, okay,
if Ryan Flinoy is going to beat us this game,
have at it.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Have at it.

Speaker 11 (37:59):
They were not going to let George Pickens beat him
in this game, So buzzing of the linebackers, then the
safety over the top after after Lamb went out of
the game.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
Even if you do buzz a linebacker out there right,
the slant could still be there right the time. He
just takes tim timing. But in this game you couldn't
hold the ball long because pass rush was on.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
Yeah, they had to see me real quick, Derek. Even
on the two point play that Ferguson caught. You watch,
you watch how prepared they were for Pickets. Pickens lined
up left, he runs in and what does Pickens do?
Really really well? He runs the back of the end
zone and he runs. They had they had they had
a corner from the other side. They let the route
win inside and what the corner do He turned and

(38:44):
was waiting for Pickens to come. That's just that's just
damn good defense. What that is, That's that's knowing like, okay,
to take this guy away, We're going to have to
make do these measures and Detroit did it very very well.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
And my my is that even more so you can
talk about George Pickens, I don't think that's where this
game was lost. I think on the offensive side of
the ball, the reason why they couldn't keep up with
the points that Detroit was putting up was because their
offensive line, particularly the two tackles, failed them. The number
of sacks that they gave up, the number of pressures
they gave up every play. It seemed like Dak was
under duress every single play, and it just felt like

(39:21):
they didn't have an answer for the pass rush that
was coming from the outside of that offensive line. And
I think that was the reason why, more than anything else,
some of the biggest plays in the game that played
were dacked, threw the ball backwards under duress, like there
were moments like that where there were opportunities that just
couldn't be taken advantage of because there was just too
much pressure.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
On Dak the one.

Speaker 11 (39:42):
Yeah, and you're absolutely right. The tackles were really poor
in this game when you look at the pressures. I
think Vash was what eighteen nineteen pressures by just the tackles.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Alone, seven Terrance.

Speaker 11 (39:52):
Yeah, but how about the Dak missed the throw. How
about the one down the sidelines to when when when
lamb lamb beats Oh yeah, that was bad the ball. Yeah.
And so there were some throws like that, throws that
we've seen Dak make, catches that we've seen Hickens make.
There's this was a weird game offensively when it came
down to that.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Is that also a situation where you see this with
NFL quarterbacks. Sometimes you're getting so much pressure that sometimes
you start rushing the throw even when you don't.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Need need to necessarily.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, even when you don't need to necessarily rush it,
you rush it just because your clock has been sped
up because you're under the rest so much. You're just
you're just going fast. You're going too fast, and that's
when you start missing throws.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
Man, even one is hurting today. I just watching the
replays right now. I'm like, Wow, we're lucky that he
didn't get some kind of injury or anything, because he
was hit quite a bit in that game. And I
agree with you. I think that tends to happen even
if you're not will or wanting for you to act
that way mentally, that's just your body reacting to the

(40:50):
hits that you've been receiving the pressure and that you
automatically without willing to you start kind of throwing in
that way.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Sor right real quick before we end this show, I
did want to We got our our winter on the line.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
We're gonna go. We got Nick from Leander, Texas. Nick,
what's up?

Speaker 13 (41:08):
Man?

Speaker 17 (41:10):
Going on? Everyone?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Congratulations? You are the winning.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
You have an opportunity to bring a guest and come
and join my wife and our other guests in the suite.
Well the game this coming Sunday or next Sunday Sunday
night and go down the sideline.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Great experience.

Speaker 17 (41:27):
Oh I'm gonna make it. I was actually coming up
for the weekend.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm gonna uh uh the Christmas at.

Speaker 17 (41:33):
The Star for that weekend. Yeah, yeah there, so I'm
already gonna be in the area, so I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
For those that have never been to the Christmas at
the Start, it is a really cool event for the family.
It happens every I think Friday and Saturday night every week, uh,
all the way through uh like I guess the week
before Christmas. But yeah, glad you're gonna have that experience.
We we're gonna enjoy having you out. Man, tell tell
us little bit about you, like where are you from?

Speaker 13 (41:53):
What do you? How long?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
You've been a fan forever?

Speaker 17 (41:59):
From my entire life?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, I mean just what.

Speaker 17 (42:02):
I've been in Texas for a couple of years, moved
originally from the Northeast, trying to get out of the
cold and come here to Chile today. But but yeah,
I mean been a Cowboys fan forever. Been to a
couple of games since I've moved down. And actually my
birthday a couple of days after the game, So I'm
turning sixteen and you from a fourteenth so it's a
nice little birthday president for me, I guess. But yeah, man,

(42:23):
it's been a fan forever and last night was heartbreaking.
But let's see how they have finish the susing storm.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Which one of the questions did you have to look up?

Speaker 17 (42:36):
What's all of them? The only one I knew because
I mean, listen, guys, I've been listening to all of
you for a while watching Brian specific labels, and you
guys knew watches the Center and I know from all
your Tom Kafflin stories, Brian, I know you were in Jacksonville.
I knew was Dominican because my wife's Dominican, so I
remember that. And then Derek, I know you've heard you
before saying, hey, you know when you got here, Chan

(42:57):
Gayla was there. It's just wild.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
That's actually what we wanted.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
We wanted somebody that's been listening for a long time,
that knows us because they've just been listening for a
long time and have heard all the all the great stories.
So we're we're really excited. You got the you got
the win.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Hey, Nick, let me ask you a question. What's Ambar's
third language?

Speaker 17 (43:14):
Oh my god, brother, I'm gonna go with you. Let's
just say friends. And you've been because you've been seb
playing it all day.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Hang on the phone.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Appreciate you, Nick, Hey, tell you what our producer is
going to get your information so that we can get
in touch and get all the tickets to you. I
will look forward to meeting you at the game. Hopefully
Brian will be able to come up and say hi.
I'll grab Amber and make sure she comes up and
says hi, and uh, well we'll see you at the game.

Speaker 17 (43:43):
All right, man, awesome, man. I appreciate everyone.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Thanks guys, all right, take care. All right, that's a
wrap for us.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
We will be back on Monday and we'll still have
a lot more we want to talk about in this game.
I don't think we got into some of the some
of the deeper parts of this game that I wanted
to get to, So we'll do that on Monday. Till
them for box Lombardi Brian brought us amberga se up there.

Speaker 10 (44:01):
We should have asked Nick who does he want to
meet the most that we should have did, calling back
being give me it no by call.

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The Breakfast Club

The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!

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