July 22, 2025 • 42 mins
Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, Derek Eagleton and Ambar Garcia are together once again to discuss the latest news & notes from Training Camp in Oxnard, CA, discuss Micah's contract situation and prioritize the players, run scheme, or O-line when it comes to improving the running game.
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Yeah, and so much for that.
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Speaker 6 (00:37):
It is Tuesday, July twenty second, twenty twenty five, season
twenty one, episode number fifteen. Welcome to the latest edition
of The Break. We are live from Oxnard, California. We
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Speaker 5 (00:54):
Got our crew here. This will be our crew for
the season now.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Brian brought us Amber Garcia, Vox Lombardy, and we've got
our whole crew. Won't be out here the entire camp,
but we got to think a week when we all
will be out here this first week and so it
makesure you guys tune in today and I think we
go again on Thursday this week, so it makes you
tune in with us and we'll get you guys caught
up on everything happening out here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yesterday was opening press conference, A lot to talk about. Yeah,
you know, it was funny.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Before we came on the air, I saw Brian and
Botch and Brian asked the question, we are talking about
the press conference, and I'm like, oh, yeah, we definitely
talk about the pres conference. But one of the things
I pointed out was I don't know if everybody's just
naive or just.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Loves taking part in the drama.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But this nothing that.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Happened yesterday was a surprise to me. We've seen this before.
This is a repeating thing when it comes to contracts.
No one remembers the z cou t shirt and the
whole thing there. No one remembers that, you know, Jerry
saying we wanted to rush to do a deal with CD,
and CD putting lol and retweeting it like this.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
This happens, It's not. It doesn't end up being.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
A big deal because eventually the player gets paid, the
organization has the player, and everybody moves on. What did
you guys here yesterday with regards to Michael specifically, is
that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What were your thoughts on on Jerry's comments there.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, you've been here for years, so of course, Oh
this is nothing. The player is gonna get paid and
this is my twentieth time seeing this, and everything's gonna
be all right. Michael just got here, Michael just got
here four years ago. Try and get his money right now?
So does he know behind the scenes this is really
all about optics at the end of the day, and
you don't want to be distracting. And maybe we understand
(02:37):
how Jerry operates. And if I'm dak Man, man, Jared
just talking, Jared just doing his thing. But TJ wats
is tweeting now, man, how dare the owner come out
and talk about the quarterback in the past rusher like
this and Michael go and retweets it. We don't know
what that means when in real life, Man, we got
this brand new head coach, all this good feels good vies,
but we got to George Pickens in here. Let's not
(02:58):
set anything a blaze, and Jerry Jones at the snap
of his finger. We probably shouldn't pay tears still neatly,
you know what I mean? I would have loved it
and look, Jerry on all this so I can shut
up and go home if I want to. But I
would have loved it if it was just a quiet,
peaceful rallying of the troops and let's have a good camp.
But instead we're gonna be talking about money and that's annoying.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well yeah, I think, uh. I hate to say this,
but I've been here a long time. Just like Derek,
almostly out of this is crazy. I want to cry.
But that just shows again to your point, Derek, we
have lived through comments like these. We know that happens,
It makes headlines, it goes crazy all over Twitter, ex
(03:41):
social media, and then we get it. We go into
that drama, and then at the end of the day,
the player gets signed, they get their money, everybody's hugging
and happy and back here a camp. My problem is
not those comments. My problem is I remember last year
my gosh stand and then on that podium over there
(04:02):
talking about contract. It has been a full year since
we have been commenting about contract and again understanding that
Dak was first, then CD now it's Micah. But why
are we here at the beginning of camp talking about
this And there's a lot of stuff that we don't know.
Just like Jerry mentioned, it goes both ways. It happens
(04:25):
on that side too. They might be sitting here willing
to offer this, but then Micah's party might be the
one saying, hey, hold on, that's not where we're at.
And there it takes both sides to come to an agreement.
But you know, when they want to get things done,
they get it done. So either way, I just hate
that we're here talking about this rather than say, hey,
(04:46):
we're excited to see Micah on the field today. Let's
see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I think that to me, this is this is
if I'm Brian Schottenheimer and I'm sitting there listening to
all this go about, I'm a little bit like man,
I want momentium, I want positive thoughts, I want everything.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
This whole real offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Has been since he's been name head coach has been
about the vibe of how things players tweeting about, hey
fun again, have football?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
All these things.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, the one thing that Brian Schottenheimer doesn't need
to have happen is every day us in the media
look and see Michael Parson's not practicing that. That is
going to be difficult he's going to have to answer
those questions every single day, you know. And to Ambar's point,
and I think it's a really really good one, there's
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two sides to this thing, you know, there's two sides
of way contract negotiations go. And I will say this though,
David Mulagetta is really really good at his job. But
to be honest with you, he has done a really
good thing on his client's behalf of waiting for some
of these other contracts to get done, it's only made
his position stronger. But you know, Jerry and Steven have
(05:56):
come out and talked about leadership and how important that is.
I think this deal might have been done like Amber
wanted to earlier, if Micah Parsons maybe in the first
couple of years would have been that leader, would have
been like Dak Prescott, would have made it easier on
the Cowboys to be able to say, Okay, we've got
a guy that has bought in. He's about the team,
instead of now we get the leadership appearance when the
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contract is trying to get negotiated. Maybe if this thing
was if Michael was done a little bit sooner. As
far as him wanting to be a leader of this
football team, he'd have this thing done.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
You know, And as you bring it up, I think
the interesting part is Jerry spent quite a bit of
time and it's not a getting as much press, but
to be honest with you, that to me was the
story of the press. That's what he was saying about
Trayvon Diggs and about leadership.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
And I think I think for.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Fans out there watching, I think what you have to
understand is there are only a few players on and
it's not just the Cowboys, it's most teams around the NFL.
There are a few players that take up the vast
majority of the cap on most teams. Here at the Cowboys,
I think there is an expectation when you were one
of those players that takes up most of the cap,
You're not being plaid. You're not being paid just to
be a great player, right. You're being paid to be
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a great player, plus be a good locker room guy,
be a good leader, be a good representative in the community.
It's all those other things that you're being paid for
that goes far beyond just what you do on.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
The football field.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
And I think Jerry made that clear yesterday was talking
about Trayvon Diggs. The expectation was, and it was even
in the contract, like he was going to get that.
And I assume it was structured as a bonus like
a workout. Absolutely, here you get a workout bonus. Absolutely,
but if you're not here, you don't get that. And
again it points to the fact that that was the
expectation with the money he got, was he was gonna
be here, he was gonna be a leader. And I
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also think part of what he said yesterday about Trayvon
was kind of a nod to all those other guys,
including Micah, who either are making that money or will
be making that money in the future. The expectation is
greater than just being a great player to make that
kind of money.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
All I want to know is if the Cowboys are
truly in this win now type of mode. It seems
like they drafted to, you know, play these guys now.
They gave up this third round pick. They never give
up the third round picks to go get this guy
that can play for you right now that's on a
one year contract that needs money. I would assume that
the Cowboys would want to move with some sort of urgency.
I just want to know, is the contract language worth
(08:18):
fighting for this long time dragging this thing out, because
the one thing that I don't want is Micah missing,
missing missing. Okay, we're just gonna sign them anyway. Going
into week one, and Michael looks weird for six weeks before,
like he's not practicing, he hasn't gotten into that game shape.
This isn't the year with this schedule, this tough schedule,
by the way, this ain't the year that you want
Michaeh looking strange for about six weeks. You got Philly
(08:40):
week one. You want Michael to be good and in
football shaped immediately. I wonder if that language is worth
fighting for.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well, that's an interesting question that brings up. And I
have this question for all you guys. I saw an
article yesterday. I want to say it was Joe Hoyt,
not positive about yeah, but it was an article. It's
interesting article because it was talking about how there have
been a couple of pass rushers, the best pass rushers
in the league, who missed camp because they have contracts,
came to the season and have phenomenal years.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And it brought up the question.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
The question that the articles posing was is Micah that
kind of guy, because I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You're saying, I want.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Him to be at his best, But the article is
saying these other guys who are that same ilk a
pass rusher, they were able to jump in without going
to training camp and have those kinds of seasons.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Where do you think Michael falls there?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
All I know is I work here and CD was
looking weird for for a couple of weeks, timing wise
with does.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Position make a difference? And that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
You know, when you talk about receiver, you kind of
have to be on the same page with the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Zach Martin was looking weird for for a handful of weeks.
It could be just what the Cowboys do to where Okay,
well maybe we're taking it might it might have been
a Mia McCarthy think, like we take days off.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's not shaded.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Whatever it is that's making players look kind of weird
for you know, six weeks. You know, like maybe that
maybe that should be looked at. I don't have the answers.
I work at Dallas Cowboys dot com, So.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think for me, the difference,
even though I do think he can he is that
type of player that can come in and play at
a high level. The difference here is you have a
change in coaching staff, you have a change of player personnel.
So I think there's something to be said in that
time that you are able to spend with the coaches
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and the people and build and the other your teammates,
building that chemistry that is very much needed and something
that Brian Shecheltenheimer has continued to emphasize, and to your point,
with injured players like Trevon Diggs. Something that that he
mentioned in the press conference was that caught my attention
was his emphasis in players that are hurt to be
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here and coach and teach the younger guys and the
way that they're able to learn doing that. So I
just I hope it's not a city scenario that it
have worry it takes a few weeks because we have
that Felly game week one.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you know, it's interesting about that. It might be
just the position of how rare those guys are. So
it just might be that that those edge rushers that
everybody values so much, they have just the ability to
snap their fingers and go out there and rush the passer. Yeah,
and I think That's why maybe some of these guys
have been able to kind of not have a lot
of train cap, but all of a sudden it turns
(11:24):
into muscle memory. I know how to break down an
offensive tackle. And that's why maybe there a little bit
if I could on Digs real quick. I know, Derek
you Gerberg take to somewhere else, but on Diggs I
did since a large amount of frustration from Jerry Jones
and I and I sensed it from the we've been
(11:45):
down this road before. You know, yes, we extended you,
we made a deal with you last year. You know,
he's even come out and talked about how the rehab
went last year, and then now we're kind of going
down the same path, you know, And I think that's
the frustration level of Jerry Jones. I signed you, we
had some problems, and now you're staying away again, and
(12:07):
I thought we kind of went through this. That that's
the frustration I sent. Since I will say this also too,
and I've been a part of teams that have done this.
Brian Schottenheimer and these coaches are not about to become
good cop bad cop. They're about to you know, you
hear the players, hear all this that's going on right now,
the guys that were brought out, and then there's going
to be coaches walking up and they're going to say.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
He says, listen, it's you and I. Man, listen, I
believe in you.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know, hey, it's kind of rough right now with
front office, and please just hey, trust me, trust me
the world.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's you and I. And so you get that
good cop, bad cop.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And I've been a part of organizations where that's happened
quite a bit where the coach has had to walk
in there and put his arm around the player and
tell him, hey, I'll handle that. You just you worry
about yourself and you worry about how we can how
we can.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Win games together.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and I think that's what now Brian Shott sitting
up on that podium yesterday, he realizes now he's gonna
have to go play good cop.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I will say this.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I do think people like Dak, people like CD who've
been here. And I know Batch you said you're new
to this, but and Micah's knew, I guess relatively new
to this.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Sure, those two guys are not.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
And they are some of the loudest voices and most
respective voices in that locker room.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I guarantee you. I guarantee you.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
The times I've been around Dak and had opportunities to
interact with him, I guarantee you what he's saying to
people right now players in that locker room is don't
mind any of that stuff, right, that's all just for
the media. They're doing their thing, they're having fun whatever.
At the end of the day, things will work out
as they're supposed to do. Don't take anything personal. We've
seen this before. I've even seen literally it was we
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were doing a shoot, a video shoot with with Micah
a couple months ago during the off season, and Jerry
walks in and they start talking and they're yacking it
up like you know, old time best friends. And this
is while everything's going on the media that's talking about,
like is their acrimony and the cowboys, And it just
reiterated to me, No, a lot of that stuff that
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the media is kind of thinking, Oh my god, this
means that Mike's mad.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It's not like that.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
This is business and these guys know how to separate it, like,
they know how to compartmentalize, right, they know businesses business,
and it doesn't affect necessarily all the other stuff and
the friendliness that we have.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I'll put it to you like this.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
We've seen this over the years so many times where
Jerry has been at an impasse with a player on
a contract situation. How often do you hear players once
they leave the Cowboys, which would be the time they
would do it, come out public and be like, man,
I can't stand Jerry. They love him, and I think
it's because they get it. They understand like that's all
the media stuff that has nothing to do with the relationship,
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and that's where I'm just like, I think we're all
playing along and it's fun.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Even on this show. We spent a whole segment now
talking about it. It's fun. We'll talk about it at
the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The deal's gonna get done, the guy's gonna get paid,
the Cowboys are gonna.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Have their player, and everybody's gonna be happy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
All well and good. That deal will get done. The
dig stuff is for real, right, that's all the dig stuff.
The dig stuff is not the hey slap tickle.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Touchy feely thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's not right now, that's not that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, this no, this is like, this is something that
to me is really serious. You know they they are
you know the Parson stuff. Absolutely, they have an idea
where these numbers are. It's up to David Mullagetta and
Adam and Stephen Jones and those guys to get this
thing done. That dig stuff is real, that's real.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That was the part that start.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
That part of it to me is yes, Micah gets done.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But Diggs, that was that was a that was alert,
that was like, Okay, if you're gonna do this, then
please know this is how I feel about what you're doing.
It was like, oh wow, how do you give up
five hundred thousand dollars? He did it just I don't care.
And Jerry's like, all right, I negotiated you to be here.
That was part of my That's why I paid you
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that money. Part of this was that you said you
would be here eighty some odd percent of the workouts
and you weren't. So now you're and Jerry's and Steve
are real quick to always remind you too. All these
players are under contract. They're all under contract. So I yeah,
the whole thing with Micah get done. Absolutely, Diggs, that
one that one has got a.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Little teeth too.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That's worth keeping an eye on.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
That one's got some teeth to it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
All Right, we're gonna take our first break. We're gonna
come back. We got a few more things I want
to talk about from that press copase. We'll get into
a couple of topics about what's going to be happening
out on out of here on the field, and oxid off.
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Life from oxen Art, California.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Day one. I guess of training camp.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
We've already been there for a couple of days, but
it is the day first day of practices. Cowboys will
have a practice here in just a little bit of
eleven forty five specific time, if you can check the
website in the mobile app before the full training camp schedule.
As a matter of fact, speaking of the mobile app,
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and every other piece of information you need to know
about training camp and how to attend both here and
hopefully when we are back in Oxennar I'm sorry in Frisco.
So that all being said, let's see guys that are
that are kind of may be interested in doing you know,
early deals, get a deal done before their deal is up,
that we might have some of those conversations here at
training camp. I thought that was an interesting comment. He
(20:09):
did not specify the players, but I thought i'd throw
it out to you.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Guys, what players do you think would be next?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
If you if you're assuming that the deal's gonna get
done with Mike at some point, who's next beyond that?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
You would say it would be smart like them to maybe.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Go ahead and do a deal now, as opposed to
waiting until their deal is up.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, it's interesting because yeah, we you know, we're talking
to guys get deals done now. But Jerry just a
little bit ago, which I think he really means it, like, hey,
should we have gone so early with these deals or
this deal here? So maybe they're thinking about the caliber
of player that they're possibly gonna go early on deals.
For Tyler Smith, for sure, he's gonna get his and
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they're they talking to him right now. I would imagine
Brandon Aubrey's probably gonna get a whole bunch of money.
Besides that, I don't know who would be a top
tier player that's on that list. Deron Bland could be
on the are we paying him too early? Lists? They
might want to. I don't know what the.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Deal is with Why would you why would you put
him on that list?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I mean, I don't know. I want when I look
at when I when I look at Tyler Smith. He's
top two best guards in the league. Brandon Auvey might
be the best kicker in the league. Bland is in
there somewhere a player that you would love to have
on your team. If I'm listening to Jerry, maybe they
want to keep themselves safe from these players that are cool,
but maybe we can find another like them, These untouchable players.
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I would imagine those are the guys that they're talking
to with a with a serious face right now. Jake Ferguson,
for example, Dak loves him. You know, he's done some
things here. Maybe wasn't all that great last year. But
is he a guy, this untouchable that you're shooting for
early to try, you know, to try to save a
little bit of money. Steven may may say maybe, but
based on what Jerry Jones says, maybe we pay you
guys a little too early. I don't think that Jake's
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one of those guys, So it maybe depends on the
caliber the player.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I would put Durn Bland on the list for sure.
I think when you look at the cornerback group and
you see what you have, you are easily able to
find the value that Darron Bland brings to this scene,
especially with this Trevon Digs conversation. Darn Bland personality wise
completely opposite Darron blanch He focuses on what he needs
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to do.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He shows up.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He's low key type of player, you know, doesn't cause
any trouble, doesn't cause any drama. Not that I'm not
saying that about Treblon Dicks, but I'm just saying he's
just a low key player that's going to show up,
do the rehab that he needs to do, do the
work that he needs to do, and just be part
of the team and you don't have to worry about him.
The only issue that he's had in his career is
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the little injury that he dealt with, and coming back
from that, I think he did a very nice job
and he's a very consistent player that he has shown
you what he's capable of doing. So you could say, oh,
easily replaceable in a way, but after you look at
the guys that you have on the roster at the position,
You're like, eh, maybe he's a little more valuable than that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
We all love quiet, low key, working players, but we
like better dudes much better than that. I would be
on the phone with Piggins and his people.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
See that's where is a guy I was gonna go.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
You know, you don't want to see how that plays out,
just to go for it.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
As long as he's not getting the rented in which
he hasn't been, and as long as he ain't hitting nobody.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
And she had got that guy anyway, I don't even start.
I betting I'm getting people thinking because I don't. People
tend to automatically.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So let me be clear. And he ain't hitting nobody.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I was patiently waiting for that.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Pickins is a guy that I would be on the.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Phone because to me, that's where I would start, just
to see where it's at.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I will say this though, real quickly about Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If you could work some kind of tyrant Smith deal,
how they got that thing long term?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And this this this c.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This with this situation with if you look at the
way guards are now in the National Football League, they're
starting to get paid and you need to stay ahead
of that one. But the one, like I said, and
all those that that that makes a lot of sense,
don't get me wrong. I would start on the pickings
when right now I would say, okay, listen, we're interested
in doing this if you want some security, you.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Know you have you?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Did your guy feel good about being around our guys?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Does he like DAK?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Does he like CD?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Does he like with Shoddy? Does he like all these things?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I would go ahead and throw that chumb in the
water and see what kind of what kind of reaction
did I get out of that?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
What do you think right now looking at all the
guys you just name, where do you think there's at
least risk in doing a long term deal now?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Higgins? I mean, you know he he I mean the
the risk is that he crashes out a little bit
or or or maybe, like like you said earlier, we
want to pay somebody and make you the face of
the organization.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I may or may not want to want to be
that for him, But he's a dude, he could he
could play, So just in terms of playing football, I
think you know he's a guy that qualifies for that.
Tyler Smith, I don't have no issues, no problem. I
don't even think twice about Tyler Smith. If there's anybody
that it could backfire on, it will maybe be Pickings.
I mean, Brandon Aubrey is a kicker. I wo'd image
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as long as he's kicking, he'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Kickers drop off quick.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I think it's Bland is the least risky.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know, the least risky.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I think the least risky. I was asking the least risky,
what's the least risky?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think safe. I just don't think he's in.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think I think I think Bland might be the
most risky. Really, that's right, yeah to me. When you
watch quarter cornerback play, it's about confidence, it's about your ability,
it's about your skill level. We saw a couple of
games where guys were running by him, the separation was there, and.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know, with him, maybe it's one of those things
where you get to a guy that plays to a
certain level and that's kind of what he is. Maybe
we've seen the absolute best of Bland here with the
Dallas Cowboys. But I would be worried about a cornerback
that loses confidence and starts to allow the ball, maybe
some more separation on routes.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I would worry about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You know, that might be the one where that that
just all of a sudden, that play falls off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Also, brent On Bland, do you pay him as a
top fifteen corner do you pay him broke? Like six records?
But how do you pay Blank?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
See, this is the problem that you went in with Bland,
is that that he sees what Diggs is making.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, he looks at Diggs, He's like, you're gonna
tell me.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'm out here playing, I'm at the workouts, I'm working,
I'm not doing all this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
But right now Diggs is in a top ten salary.
I'm thinking cornerback. He I think he's like right outside
the top.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Two, but he's to that level where Bland's thinking, you're
not gonna pay me less than.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Him, right, And I guess that's where I look at it.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
And I think from the standpoint of how a deal
could be done right now with Bland, Bland ain't gonna
be at the top of the cornerback market.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
You're not talking if you.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Can get a deal with him, that is a Tyrone
Crawford type deal. Right, You're gonna get paid, but you're
not gonna be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So does he have an.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Argument for anything different?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Well, everybody thinks that they're they're great, right, but I
don't know that if he's thinking objectively, I don't think
that he thinks he's up there where he should be
getting paid what the top corners in the league are making.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
If that's I know, he.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Can make the argument even he should be making necessarily
more than Diggs. I think it's around that same range,
and if you do it early, you might be able
to get a little bit less than at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Us If that's the case. If that's the case, the
Cowboys need to jump on that one. Then if he
thinks it's less than Diggs and he wants and he's
not thinking top ten, they need to jump on that
right now. Because I have a feeling he's the opposite.
I have the feeling he's looking at this like, you
know what, I had pick six record. I'm around the football.
(27:30):
I'm a willing.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Tackler, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, I had a couple of games where you know,
guys got buying me. I do worry about the deep
speed with him, But I mean, did that happened?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I drop off because.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Of I's just say it's something that you see, you know,
it's stuff you like when you start to talk about paying,
like the certains and the Sauce Gardeners.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But does he think that that's that's it? I didn't
think so. But listening to you, are you saying you
think he thinks that he should be up.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
There with I think I think every player like that
thinks that he should be in that room. I know
one thing, he's looking at Diggs's numbers and saying, I
am better than that. That's fair.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
That that part he can make an argument.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
And and you know, and and you know, if you're
sitting there, if you're Jerry Jones and Stephen Joe, he
could say, Okay, maybe I'm not Sir Tan, maybe I'm
not Sauce Gardner, but I'm damn better than Diggs. You
know he can say that. And that's where that's where
it starts for me. And if you're comfortable what you
paid Digs, then you should be comfortable what you paid Bland.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And I like you say, of all the guys that
the Aubrey's and the Smiths, he's when you say maybe
a player that might drop, he was the one that
came to mind to meet that, the guy you would
pay for me.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I look at it, and I say, the least risky.
Riskiest obviously is Tyler Smith, no question, makes makes all
the sense in the world. You know he's gonna be
who he is, right right. I actually think the more
risky one that you don't necessarily have to do right
now is Aubrey. And the reason why I say that
is because kickers fall off quick. What we know about
kickers in the NFL, it's not just skyboys around the NFL.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You have great kickers. Look at Jason Justin Tucker.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Justin Tucker was.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
The best kicker for how long in the NFL, and
then all of a sudden, over a year, it became like.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh no, he's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
We've seen it happen over and so for me, I'm like,
I always wait and do my kick, do my kickers
deal at the point when I need to do my
kickers because I want to see the latest kick. I
want to see your last kick, and I'll base your
contract off your last kick because that tells me a
lot about where you are at this point in your career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I would consider I would consider this. If you start
to see slippage, I try and get a second round
pick for him, then.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Should they re sign him at all should they as.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
All of these kicking at this level, that's the thing,
and you keep rolling with it, but you also want
to have you want to have a wait like I
would all. I would never do more than a three
year deal on the kickers, two to three years, and
then I want I'm evaluating it all the time to
see where.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
They are because kickers such a position about it.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It is when they fall off.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It's not that their leg necessarily falls off, it's the.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Mental part side, and which it's same to how golfers
a lot of times, once it gets in your head,
it's hard to get it back right.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And so that's where I'm like, that's the riskiest position
of all these guys in my opinion. Sub did sure,
all right, We're gonna take our final break. We will
come back.
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We got one more break, one more segment for you guys.
We're gonna talk about the running back position. Some questions
about that yesterday. It's a position that I think a
lot of people have some questions about this Cowboys roster.
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Speaker 5 (33:17):
We a little lot of practice, heal, Let's get get
it together, guys.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I was talking about contracts. I don't work here.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
We're gonna keep rolling with that.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
All right, Let's talk about the running back position. Yesterday
it brought it came up in the press conference.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I think it's a position.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
As I've looked around, you know a lot of media
people talking about this roster. I think it still remains
one of if not the position that most people point
to and say that's where they have the most concerns,
most questions.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
So I'll pose the question to you, guys.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
First of all, what does it fall for you from
the standpoint of positions that you may have concerned I'll
concerned you about this position, the running back position.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Running back is super important. I think Dak would benefit
from a run game, and you've listened to Dak talk
about it. Hey, play action, it'll help, And that's one
of the better quarterbacks at that play action things like
that down the field. But you have to earn respect
in the run game. And you know there's a lot
of teams run the league. And there's some people in
the comments listening right now that'll say, well, any running
back can be good with a good scheme and a
(34:15):
good offensive line, that's cool. But if I can have
all three, let's do it. You know like that, that
sounds good having like a seventh round running back. You
could be filled my fifth round running back. If you're
trying to make the playoffs, that sounds great. But if
you're trying to beat the best teams in the league,
you might want to do that's a little better and
I don't want the Cowboys to kind of sit on
their hands about it, because the best teams don't. The
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Niners can have the best run game with Mitchell and
then they'll go get Christan McCaffrey just because they can.
Or the Eagles will be just fine with Swift, but
then they'll still go and get sae Quon. Anyway, you're
competing with those teams. So yeah, we kind of got
this running back mix right now. That'll be fine, that'll
probably beat regular teams. But you know, when you go
and play Minnesota in the postseason or something, you know, Detroit,
(34:57):
like these teams that have great d lines, you need
o line, great scheme and a dude that can help
those two out.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
So how concerned and I might not have been clear, please,
how concerned are you about this particular group?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
A little worried about it? But you know the nature
of running back is you never know till you see it.
You know, like you just never know which seventh round
running back that got drafted last year is gonna be great.
Tyrone Tracy is a is a solid little running back
that we probably didn't even have thoughts about, but he
ended up being a pretty decent dude for the Giants,
so you just never really know he'll be fine. And
maybe running back would be better here because we got
(35:30):
two great receivers on the outside, a really great passing game.
Running back and be solid. But if it was me,
if I was in charge, if my last name was Jones,
I would like to have a much better running back
to be able to use those advantages.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
How ranked this?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Please?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Coach and scheme offensive line or running back schemes for
me in importance? Put him in, put him in order
of importance. Scheme coach offensive line? Running backs that are that.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Order for me? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Order for me?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Then we shouldn't be worried about these running backs, should we.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, I'm asking the question, that's I'm saying. So you'll
go that poy. You say I'm running back first.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I'm going to scheme first, O line, then then for
me and then yeah, I thought you said old line third.
My bad.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well that's the thing about it is, though I am.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I still think. I still think running back is important.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
It is I do.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think Philadelphia became a much better football team last year.
Two things that they did the year before they drafted
the too young the rookie corners that came in to play,
and then they went and got Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I think that made a difference in their football.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Let me ask you this question, the Saquon do what
he did without that offensive line?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Because we saw him in New York. He was good,
he wasn't. That that's why, and that's but that's my point.
That's why.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
That's why I go back to when you put that order, Yes,
running back matters, and if you have a great one
that you can combine with a great offensive line and
a great scheme, now you're really hitting all stocks.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I can't wait till Derek gets mad and they're trying
to run the ball and it's looks like, man, this
pin and pull, they got it. They got this thing
blocked up. It's a great scheme and run what the
hell's the running back doing?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Handing hand both things. I mean, you have to have
a very solid offensive line for the running back to
be good great, you know, and working in some of
the Blues documentaries that we're currently doing, looking at back
at the old footage all different seasons, you're like, man,
the times that the Cowboys were the most successful is
when you have a solid running game tied into everything else.
(37:36):
Obviously that's part of the game. So right now, yes,
you need to solidify that run game. And with the
current guys that they have, we haven't seen them full
in action just yet, and I'm eager to watch that.
But at the moment, it just seems very very bland,
very like it's not giving me that excitement, excitement, you know, is.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It the running back certain give you the excitement or
is it the you don't know this scheme how you're
going to run the ball?
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I guess surmise what the scheme is because we've seen
it in in In with the Cardinals, Like I think
I have an idea of what kind of scheme they're
gonna run.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
We'll see that is why needs to execute.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
No.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, when you start saying where
the question marks are for me, I have less question.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Marks about the scheme.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I have more question marks about the two tackles, and
I have more question marks about the running back position itself.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
How would you describe the Cardinals scheme? How would you
describe it?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And pull?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
What I saw in that game where we played there,
the penn and pulls, that's.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
All and give me that see that.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
This is this is I'm the question I'm gonna ask you,
and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Ask you this way. To me, Arizona is a college
running scheme. College Okay, Baltimore Ravens college running scheme.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And they did it well.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
If you've got a team, if you've got a team
that has a quarterback that has that read optionability, to me,
that's a college running scheme, you know. So to me,
there's teams like the forty nine ers, I would look
at the forty nine ersould say there are power teams.
Why they play with a full back?
Speaker 4 (39:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So what do you think Schottenheimer? Do you think he's
going to play? Do you think Hunter Lipkey is going
to be part.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Of his name?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Yesterday?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Then Dallas turns into a power running scheme which is
not pin and pull.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
But he's not.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
But he's not gonna be your primary running back. Let's
be clear.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
By no, no, no no no, A Barker, I'm talking about
like twelve personnel, how they're gonna, how the scheme is.
I think Dallas is going to try and be a
gap scheme run team when they just I think you
I think.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You drafted Booker, They're gonna move baddies.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, this man knows Booker better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
When he and I working on the draft together, the
draft show when you're when you're talking about Booker, it's
not about Penn And even even the coaches when they
were on with us during the third day of the draft, like, well,
if we can't run the pin and pull, you know,
they're not going to try and round peg square hole
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
They're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So to me.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Blow power some counters here or there, moving bodies, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I just I don't like I say, if you have
a quarterback that has the ability to run, this quarterback
can run.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I don't think they want him to run.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So now I'm trying to think about, Okay, can Dallas
get away? Are they going to be able with their
offensive line the way it is be a Penn and
Poll team and have some of those elements.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But see Bryant last year watching the film, how many
times have we seen Dank go to hand the ball
off and the end crashes? Now you go, damn, Dank
could run right there, see, but it doesn't. See I'm
thinking it's in the scheme of him not to run
because it's wide open every single time happen.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
If this, if it turns okay, then it turns into
a college scheme.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Then it turns.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Into the element of right of reading it and then
going and that way.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And I think that that plays.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
I think that's what he's gonna be this year. I
think we're gonna see more of that in Dak's game
because quite frankly, that's when Dak said his best I
all agree, that's when Dak said.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
No, no, I don't wait for it standing up, take
a seat and wait for it. What I think it's
gonna take. That's just a saying in Spanish. No, basically,
I'm saying like, you gotta sit down and wait for it,
because I think it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Gona.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I just I just after after the.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
Injury and everything that we saw, I think not to
say that, because Dak is the guy that he says
all the right things and he's gonna go out there
and do all that. But the first injury that he had,
like a couple of years ago, Yes, I think you waited,
like mentally, it was like a mental thing or or
something there that I feel like I don't think they're
(41:45):
gonna risk having him running out there. But I agree
with you that's were his best at that's when he
plays his best, when he's able to escape and use
his like especially in the red zone.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
And I'm not saying he's gonna become Lamark Jackson. That's
not what I need from him. What I need from
him is, like you were saying, watch those moments, those
moments when it presents itself there, don't be hesitant to
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Speaker 5 (00:54):
Got our crew here. This will be our crew for
the season now.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Brian brought us Amber Garcia, Vox Lombardy, and we've got
our whole crew. Won't be out here the entire camp,
but we got to think a week when we all
will be out here this first week and so it
makesure you guys tune in today and I think we
go again on Thursday this week, so it makes you
tune in with us and we'll get you guys caught
up on everything happening out here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yesterday was opening press conference, A lot to talk about. Yeah,
you know, it was funny.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Before we came on the air, I saw Brian and
Botch and Brian asked the question, we are talking about
the press conference, and I'm like, oh, yeah, we definitely
talk about the pres conference. But one of the things
I pointed out was I don't know if everybody's just
naive or just.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Loves taking part in the drama.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But this nothing that.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Happened yesterday was a surprise to me. We've seen this before.
This is a repeating thing when it comes to contracts.
No one remembers the z cou t shirt and the
whole thing there. No one remembers that, you know, Jerry
saying we wanted to rush to do a deal with CD,
and CD putting lol and retweeting it like this.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
This happens, It's not. It doesn't end up being.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
A big deal because eventually the player gets paid, the
organization has the player, and everybody moves on. What did
you guys here yesterday with regards to Michael specifically, is
that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What were your thoughts on on Jerry's comments there.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, you've been here for years, so of course, Oh
this is nothing. The player is gonna get paid and
this is my twentieth time seeing this, and everything's gonna
be all right. Michael just got here, Michael just got
here four years ago. Try and get his money right now?
So does he know behind the scenes this is really
all about optics at the end of the day, and
you don't want to be distracting. And maybe we understand
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how Jerry operates. And if I'm dak Man, man, Jared
just talking, Jared just doing his thing. But TJ wats
is tweeting now, man, how dare the owner come out
and talk about the quarterback in the past rusher like
this and Michael go and retweets it. We don't know
what that means when in real life, Man, we got
this brand new head coach, all this good feels good vies,
but we got to George Pickens in here. Let's not
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set anything a blaze, and Jerry Jones at the snap
of his finger. We probably shouldn't pay tears still neatly,
you know what I mean? I would have loved it
and look, Jerry on all this so I can shut
up and go home if I want to. But I
would have loved it if it was just a quiet,
peaceful rallying of the troops and let's have a good camp.
But instead we're gonna be talking about money and that's annoying.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well yeah, I think, uh. I hate to say this,
but I've been here a long time. Just like Derek,
almostly out of this is crazy. I want to cry.
But that just shows again to your point, Derek, we
have lived through comments like these. We know that happens,
It makes headlines, it goes crazy all over Twitter, ex
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social media, and then we get it. We go into
that drama, and then at the end of the day,
the player gets signed, they get their money, everybody's hugging
and happy and back here a camp. My problem is
not those comments. My problem is I remember last year
my gosh stand and then on that podium over there
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talking about contract. It has been a full year since
we have been commenting about contract and again understanding that
Dak was first, then CD now it's Micah. But why
are we here at the beginning of camp talking about
this And there's a lot of stuff that we don't know.
Just like Jerry mentioned, it goes both ways. It happens
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on that side too. They might be sitting here willing
to offer this, but then Micah's party might be the
one saying, hey, hold on, that's not where we're at.
And there it takes both sides to come to an agreement.
But you know, when they want to get things done,
they get it done. So either way, I just hate
that we're here talking about this rather than say, hey,
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we're excited to see Micah on the field today. Let's
see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I think that to me, this is this is
if I'm Brian Schottenheimer and I'm sitting there listening to
all this go about, I'm a little bit like man,
I want momentium, I want positive thoughts, I want everything.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
This whole real offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Has been since he's been name head coach has been
about the vibe of how things players tweeting about, hey
fun again, have football?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
All these things.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, the one thing that Brian Schottenheimer doesn't need
to have happen is every day us in the media
look and see Michael Parson's not practicing that. That is
going to be difficult he's going to have to answer
those questions every single day, you know. And to Ambar's point,
and I think it's a really really good one, there's
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two sides to this thing, you know, there's two sides
of way contract negotiations go. And I will say this though,
David Mulagetta is really really good at his job. But
to be honest with you, he has done a really
good thing on his client's behalf of waiting for some
of these other contracts to get done, it's only made
his position stronger. But you know, Jerry and Steven have
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come out and talked about leadership and how important that is.
I think this deal might have been done like Amber
wanted to earlier, if Micah Parsons maybe in the first
couple of years would have been that leader, would have
been like Dak Prescott, would have made it easier on
the Cowboys to be able to say, Okay, we've got
a guy that has bought in. He's about the team,
instead of now we get the leadership appearance when the
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contract is trying to get negotiated. Maybe if this thing
was if Michael was done a little bit sooner. As
far as him wanting to be a leader of this
football team, he'd have this thing done.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
You know, And as you bring it up, I think
the interesting part is Jerry spent quite a bit of
time and it's not a getting as much press, but
to be honest with you, that to me was the
story of the press. That's what he was saying about
Trayvon Diggs and about leadership.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
And I think I think for.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Fans out there watching, I think what you have to
understand is there are only a few players on and
it's not just the Cowboys, it's most teams around the NFL.
There are a few players that take up the vast
majority of the cap on most teams. Here at the Cowboys,
I think there is an expectation when you were one
of those players that takes up most of the cap,
You're not being plaid. You're not being paid just to
be a great player, right. You're being paid to be
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a great player, plus be a good locker room guy,
be a good leader, be a good representative in the community.
It's all those other things that you're being paid for
that goes far beyond just what you do on.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
The football field.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
And I think Jerry made that clear yesterday was talking
about Trayvon Diggs. The expectation was, and it was even
in the contract, like he was going to get that.
And I assume it was structured as a bonus like
a workout. Absolutely, here you get a workout bonus. Absolutely,
but if you're not here, you don't get that. And
again it points to the fact that that was the
expectation with the money he got, was he was gonna
be here, he was gonna be a leader. And I
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also think part of what he said yesterday about Trayvon
was kind of a nod to all those other guys,
including Micah, who either are making that money or will
be making that money in the future. The expectation is
greater than just being a great player to make that
kind of money.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
All I want to know is if the Cowboys are
truly in this win now type of mode. It seems
like they drafted to, you know, play these guys now.
They gave up this third round pick. They never give
up the third round picks to go get this guy
that can play for you right now that's on a
one year contract that needs money. I would assume that
the Cowboys would want to move with some sort of urgency.
I just want to know, is the contract language worth
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fighting for this long time dragging this thing out, because
the one thing that I don't want is Micah missing,
missing missing. Okay, we're just gonna sign them anyway. Going
into week one, and Michael looks weird for six weeks before,
like he's not practicing, he hasn't gotten into that game shape.
This isn't the year with this schedule, this tough schedule,
by the way, this ain't the year that you want
Michaeh looking strange for about six weeks. You got Philly
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week one. You want Michael to be good and in
football shaped immediately. I wonder if that language is worth
fighting for.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well, that's an interesting question that brings up. And I
have this question for all you guys. I saw an
article yesterday. I want to say it was Joe Hoyt,
not positive about yeah, but it was an article. It's
interesting article because it was talking about how there have
been a couple of pass rushers, the best pass rushers
in the league, who missed camp because they have contracts,
came to the season and have phenomenal years.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And it brought up the question.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
The question that the articles posing was is Micah that
kind of guy, because I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You're saying, I want.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Him to be at his best, But the article is
saying these other guys who are that same ilk a
pass rusher, they were able to jump in without going
to training camp and have those kinds of seasons.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Where do you think Michael falls there?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
All I know is I work here and CD was
looking weird for for a couple of weeks, timing wise
with does.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Position make a difference? And that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
You know, when you talk about receiver, you kind of
have to be on the same page with the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Zach Martin was looking weird for for a handful of weeks.
It could be just what the Cowboys do to where Okay,
well maybe we're taking it might it might have been
a Mia McCarthy think, like we take days off.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's not shaded.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Whatever it is that's making players look kind of weird
for you know, six weeks. You know, like maybe that
maybe that should be looked at. I don't have the answers.
I work at Dallas Cowboys dot com, So.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think for me, the difference,
even though I do think he can he is that
type of player that can come in and play at
a high level. The difference here is you have a
change in coaching staff, you have a change of player personnel.
So I think there's something to be said in that
time that you are able to spend with the coaches
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and the people and build and the other your teammates,
building that chemistry that is very much needed and something
that Brian Shecheltenheimer has continued to emphasize, and to your point,
with injured players like Trevon Diggs. Something that that he
mentioned in the press conference was that caught my attention
was his emphasis in players that are hurt to be
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here and coach and teach the younger guys and the
way that they're able to learn doing that. So I
just I hope it's not a city scenario that it
have worry it takes a few weeks because we have
that Felly game week one.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you know, it's interesting about that. It might be
just the position of how rare those guys are. So
it just might be that that those edge rushers that
everybody values so much, they have just the ability to
snap their fingers and go out there and rush the passer. Yeah,
and I think That's why maybe some of these guys
have been able to kind of not have a lot
of train cap, but all of a sudden it turns
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into muscle memory. I know how to break down an
offensive tackle. And that's why maybe there a little bit
if I could on Digs real quick. I know, Derek
you Gerberg take to somewhere else, but on Diggs I
did since a large amount of frustration from Jerry Jones
and I and I sensed it from the we've been
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down this road before. You know, yes, we extended you,
we made a deal with you last year. You know,
he's even come out and talked about how the rehab
went last year, and then now we're kind of going
down the same path, you know, And I think that's
the frustration level of Jerry Jones. I signed you, we
had some problems, and now you're staying away again, and
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I thought we kind of went through this. That that's
the frustration I sent. Since I will say this also too,
and I've been a part of teams that have done this.
Brian Schottenheimer and these coaches are not about to become
good cop bad cop. They're about to you know, you
hear the players, hear all this that's going on right now,
the guys that were brought out, and then there's going
to be coaches walking up and they're going to say.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
He says, listen, it's you and I. Man, listen, I
believe in you.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know, hey, it's kind of rough right now with
front office, and please just hey, trust me, trust me
the world.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's you and I. And so you get that
good cop, bad cop.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And I've been a part of organizations where that's happened
quite a bit where the coach has had to walk
in there and put his arm around the player and
tell him, hey, I'll handle that. You just you worry
about yourself and you worry about how we can how
we can.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Win games together.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and I think that's what now Brian Shott sitting
up on that podium yesterday, he realizes now he's gonna
have to go play good cop.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I will say this.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I do think people like Dak, people like CD who've
been here. And I know Batch you said you're new
to this, but and Micah's knew, I guess relatively new
to this.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Sure, those two guys are not.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
And they are some of the loudest voices and most
respective voices in that locker room.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I guarantee you. I guarantee you.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
The times I've been around Dak and had opportunities to
interact with him, I guarantee you what he's saying to
people right now players in that locker room is don't
mind any of that stuff, right, that's all just for
the media. They're doing their thing, they're having fun whatever.
At the end of the day, things will work out
as they're supposed to do. Don't take anything personal. We've
seen this before. I've even seen literally it was we
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were doing a shoot, a video shoot with with Micah
a couple months ago during the off season, and Jerry
walks in and they start talking and they're yacking it
up like you know, old time best friends. And this
is while everything's going on the media that's talking about,
like is their acrimony and the cowboys, And it just
reiterated to me, No, a lot of that stuff that
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the media is kind of thinking, Oh my god, this
means that Mike's mad.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It's not like that.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
This is business and these guys know how to separate it, like,
they know how to compartmentalize, right, they know businesses business,
and it doesn't affect necessarily all the other stuff and
the friendliness that we have.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I'll put it to you like this.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
We've seen this over the years so many times where
Jerry has been at an impasse with a player on
a contract situation. How often do you hear players once
they leave the Cowboys, which would be the time they
would do it, come out public and be like, man,
I can't stand Jerry. They love him, and I think
it's because they get it. They understand like that's all
the media stuff that has nothing to do with the relationship,
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and that's where I'm just like, I think we're all
playing along and it's fun.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Even on this show. We spent a whole segment now
talking about it. It's fun. We'll talk about it at
the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The deal's gonna get done, the guy's gonna get paid,
the Cowboys are gonna.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Have their player, and everybody's gonna be happy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
All well and good. That deal will get done. The
dig stuff is for real, right, that's all the dig stuff.
The dig stuff is not the hey slap tickle.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Touchy feely thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's not right now, that's not that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, this no, this is like, this is something that
to me is really serious. You know they they are
you know the Parson stuff. Absolutely, they have an idea
where these numbers are. It's up to David Mullagetta and
Adam and Stephen Jones and those guys to get this
thing done. That dig stuff is real, that's real.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That was the part that start.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
That part of it to me is yes, Micah gets done.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But Diggs, that was that was a that was alert,
that was like, Okay, if you're gonna do this, then
please know this is how I feel about what you're doing.
It was like, oh wow, how do you give up
five hundred thousand dollars? He did it just I don't care.
And Jerry's like, all right, I negotiated you to be here.
That was part of my That's why I paid you
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that money. Part of this was that you said you
would be here eighty some odd percent of the workouts
and you weren't. So now you're and Jerry's and Steve
are real quick to always remind you too. All these
players are under contract. They're all under contract. So I yeah,
the whole thing with Micah get done. Absolutely, Diggs, that
one that one has got a.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Little teeth too.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That's worth keeping an eye on.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
That one's got some teeth to it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
All Right, we're gonna take our first break. We're gonna
come back. We got a few more things I want
to talk about from that press copase. We'll get into
a couple of topics about what's going to be happening
out on out of here on the field, and oxid off.
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Life from oxen Art, California.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Day one. I guess of training camp.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
We've already been there for a couple of days, but
it is the day first day of practices. Cowboys will
have a practice here in just a little bit of
eleven forty five specific time, if you can check the
website in the mobile app before the full training camp schedule.
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and every other piece of information you need to know
about training camp and how to attend both here and
hopefully when we are back in Oxennar I'm sorry in Frisco.
So that all being said, let's see guys that are
that are kind of may be interested in doing you know,
early deals, get a deal done before their deal is up,
that we might have some of those conversations here at
training camp. I thought that was an interesting comment. He
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did not specify the players, but I thought i'd throw
it out to you.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Guys, what players do you think would be next?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
If you if you're assuming that the deal's gonna get
done with Mike at some point, who's next beyond that?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
You would say it would be smart like them to maybe.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Go ahead and do a deal now, as opposed to
waiting until their deal is up.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, it's interesting because yeah, we you know, we're talking
to guys get deals done now. But Jerry just a
little bit ago, which I think he really means it, like, hey,
should we have gone so early with these deals or
this deal here? So maybe they're thinking about the caliber
of player that they're possibly gonna go early on deals.
For Tyler Smith, for sure, he's gonna get his and
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they're they talking to him right now. I would imagine
Brandon Aubrey's probably gonna get a whole bunch of money.
Besides that, I don't know who would be a top
tier player that's on that list. Deron Bland could be
on the are we paying him too early? Lists? They
might want to. I don't know what the.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Deal is with Why would you why would you put
him on that list?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I mean, I don't know. I want when I look
at when I when I look at Tyler Smith. He's
top two best guards in the league. Brandon Auvey might
be the best kicker in the league. Bland is in
there somewhere a player that you would love to have
on your team. If I'm listening to Jerry, maybe they
want to keep themselves safe from these players that are cool,
but maybe we can find another like them, These untouchable players.
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I would imagine those are the guys that they're talking
to with a with a serious face right now. Jake Ferguson,
for example, Dak loves him. You know, he's done some
things here. Maybe wasn't all that great last year. But
is he a guy, this untouchable that you're shooting for
early to try, you know, to try to save a
little bit of money. Steven may may say maybe, but
based on what Jerry Jones says, maybe we pay you
guys a little too early. I don't think that Jake's
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one of those guys, So it maybe depends on the
caliber the player.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I would put Durn Bland on the list for sure.
I think when you look at the cornerback group and
you see what you have, you are easily able to
find the value that Darron Bland brings to this scene,
especially with this Trevon Digs conversation. Darn Bland personality wise
completely opposite Darron blanch He focuses on what he needs
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to do.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He shows up.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He's low key type of player, you know, doesn't cause
any trouble, doesn't cause any drama. Not that I'm not
saying that about Treblon Dicks, but I'm just saying he's
just a low key player that's going to show up,
do the rehab that he needs to do, do the
work that he needs to do, and just be part
of the team and you don't have to worry about him.
The only issue that he's had in his career is
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the little injury that he dealt with, and coming back
from that, I think he did a very nice job
and he's a very consistent player that he has shown
you what he's capable of doing. So you could say, oh,
easily replaceable in a way, but after you look at
the guys that you have on the roster at the position,
You're like, eh, maybe he's a little more valuable than that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
We all love quiet, low key, working players, but we
like better dudes much better than that. I would be
on the phone with Piggins and his people.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
See that's where is a guy I was gonna go.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
You know, you don't want to see how that plays out,
just to go for it.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
As long as he's not getting the rented in which
he hasn't been, and as long as he ain't hitting nobody.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
And she had got that guy anyway, I don't even start.
I betting I'm getting people thinking because I don't. People
tend to automatically.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So let me be clear. And he ain't hitting nobody.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I was patiently waiting for that.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Pickins is a guy that I would be on the.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Phone because to me, that's where I would start, just
to see where it's at.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I will say this though, real quickly about Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If you could work some kind of tyrant Smith deal,
how they got that thing long term?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And this this this c.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
This with this situation with if you look at the
way guards are now in the National Football League, they're
starting to get paid and you need to stay ahead
of that one. But the one, like I said, and
all those that that that makes a lot of sense,
don't get me wrong. I would start on the pickings
when right now I would say, okay, listen, we're interested
in doing this if you want some security, you.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Know you have you?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Did your guy feel good about being around our guys?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Does he like DAK?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Does he like CD?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Does he like with Shoddy? Does he like all these things?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I would go ahead and throw that chumb in the
water and see what kind of what kind of reaction
did I get out of that?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
What do you think right now looking at all the
guys you just name, where do you think there's at
least risk in doing a long term deal now?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Higgins? I mean, you know he he I mean the
the risk is that he crashes out a little bit
or or or maybe, like like you said earlier, we
want to pay somebody and make you the face of
the organization.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I may or may not want to want to be
that for him, But he's a dude, he could he
could play, So just in terms of playing football, I
think you know he's a guy that qualifies for that.
Tyler Smith, I don't have no issues, no problem. I
don't even think twice about Tyler Smith. If there's anybody
that it could backfire on, it will maybe be Pickings.
I mean, Brandon Aubrey is a kicker. I wo'd image
(25:06):
as long as he's kicking, he'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Kickers drop off quick.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I think it's Bland is the least risky.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know, the least risky.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I think the least risky. I was asking the least risky,
what's the least risky?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think safe. I just don't think he's in.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think I think I think Bland might be the
most risky. Really, that's right, yeah to me. When you
watch quarter cornerback play, it's about confidence, it's about your ability,
it's about your skill level. We saw a couple of
games where guys were running by him, the separation was there, and.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know, with him, maybe it's one of those things
where you get to a guy that plays to a
certain level and that's kind of what he is. Maybe
we've seen the absolute best of Bland here with the
Dallas Cowboys. But I would be worried about a cornerback
that loses confidence and starts to allow the ball, maybe
some more separation on routes.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I would worry about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You know, that might be the one where that that
just all of a sudden, that play falls off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Also, brent On Bland, do you pay him as a
top fifteen corner do you pay him broke? Like six records?
But how do you pay Blank?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
See, this is the problem that you went in with Bland,
is that that he sees what Diggs is making.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, he looks at Diggs, He's like, you're gonna
tell me.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'm out here playing, I'm at the workouts, I'm working,
I'm not doing all this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
But right now Diggs is in a top ten salary.
I'm thinking cornerback. He I think he's like right outside
the top.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Two, but he's to that level where Bland's thinking, you're
not gonna pay me less than.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Him, right, And I guess that's where I look at it.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
And I think from the standpoint of how a deal
could be done right now with Bland, Bland ain't gonna
be at the top of the cornerback market.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
You're not talking if you.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Can get a deal with him, that is a Tyrone
Crawford type deal. Right, You're gonna get paid, but you're
not gonna be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So does he have an.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Argument for anything different?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Well, everybody thinks that they're they're great, right, but I
don't know that if he's thinking objectively, I don't think
that he thinks he's up there where he should be
getting paid what the top corners in the league are making.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
If that's I know, he.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Can make the argument even he should be making necessarily
more than Diggs. I think it's around that same range,
and if you do it early, you might be able
to get a little bit less than at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Us If that's the case. If that's the case, the
Cowboys need to jump on that one. Then if he
thinks it's less than Diggs and he wants and he's
not thinking top ten, they need to jump on that
right now. Because I have a feeling he's the opposite.
I have the feeling he's looking at this like, you
know what, I had pick six record. I'm around the football.
(27:30):
I'm a willing.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Tackler, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, I had a couple of games where you know,
guys got buying me. I do worry about the deep
speed with him, But I mean, did that happened?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I drop off because.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Of I's just say it's something that you see, you know,
it's stuff you like when you start to talk about paying,
like the certains and the Sauce Gardeners.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But does he think that that's that's it? I didn't
think so. But listening to you, are you saying you
think he thinks that he should be up.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
There with I think I think every player like that
thinks that he should be in that room. I know
one thing, he's looking at Diggs's numbers and saying, I
am better than that. That's fair.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
That that part he can make an argument.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
And and you know, and and you know, if you're
sitting there, if you're Jerry Jones and Stephen Joe, he
could say, Okay, maybe I'm not Sir Tan, maybe I'm
not Sauce Gardner, but I'm damn better than Diggs. You
know he can say that. And that's where that's where
it starts for me. And if you're comfortable what you
paid Digs, then you should be comfortable what you paid Bland.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And I like you say, of all the guys that
the Aubrey's and the Smiths, he's when you say maybe
a player that might drop, he was the one that
came to mind to meet that, the guy you would
pay for me.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I look at it, and I say, the least risky.
Riskiest obviously is Tyler Smith, no question, makes makes all
the sense in the world. You know he's gonna be
who he is, right right. I actually think the more
risky one that you don't necessarily have to do right
now is Aubrey. And the reason why I say that
is because kickers fall off quick. What we know about
kickers in the NFL, it's not just skyboys around the NFL.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You have great kickers. Look at Jason Justin Tucker.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Justin Tucker was.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
The best kicker for how long in the NFL, and
then all of a sudden, over a year, it became like.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh no, he's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
We've seen it happen over and so for me, I'm like,
I always wait and do my kick, do my kickers
deal at the point when I need to do my
kickers because I want to see the latest kick. I
want to see your last kick, and I'll base your
contract off your last kick because that tells me a
lot about where you are at this point in your career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I would consider I would consider this. If you start
to see slippage, I try and get a second round
pick for him, then.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Should they re sign him at all should they as.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
All of these kicking at this level, that's the thing,
and you keep rolling with it, but you also want
to have you want to have a wait like I
would all. I would never do more than a three
year deal on the kickers, two to three years, and
then I want I'm evaluating it all the time to
see where.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
They are because kickers such a position about it.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It is when they fall off.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It's not that their leg necessarily falls off, it's the.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Mental part side, and which it's same to how golfers
a lot of times, once it gets in your head,
it's hard to get it back right.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And so that's where I'm like, that's the riskiest position
of all these guys in my opinion. Sub did sure,
all right, We're gonna take our final break. We will
come back.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
We got one more break, one more segment for you guys.
We're gonna talk about the running back position. Some questions
about that yesterday. It's a position that I think a
lot of people have some questions about this Cowboys roster.
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Speaker 5 (33:17):
We a little lot of practice, heal, Let's get get
it together, guys.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I was talking about contracts. I don't work here.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
We're gonna keep rolling with that.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
All right, Let's talk about the running back position. Yesterday
it brought it came up in the press conference.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I think it's a position.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
As I've looked around, you know a lot of media
people talking about this roster. I think it still remains
one of if not the position that most people point
to and say that's where they have the most concerns,
most questions.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
So I'll pose the question to you, guys.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
First of all, what does it fall for you from
the standpoint of positions that you may have concerned I'll
concerned you about this position, the running back position.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Running back is super important. I think Dak would benefit
from a run game, and you've listened to Dak talk
about it. Hey, play action, it'll help, And that's one
of the better quarterbacks at that play action things like
that down the field. But you have to earn respect
in the run game. And you know there's a lot
of teams run the league. And there's some people in
the comments listening right now that'll say, well, any running
back can be good with a good scheme and a
(34:15):
good offensive line, that's cool. But if I can have
all three, let's do it. You know like that, that
sounds good having like a seventh round running back. You
could be filled my fifth round running back. If you're
trying to make the playoffs, that sounds great. But if
you're trying to beat the best teams in the league,
you might want to do that's a little better and
I don't want the Cowboys to kind of sit on
their hands about it, because the best teams don't. The
(34:36):
Niners can have the best run game with Mitchell and
then they'll go get Christan McCaffrey just because they can.
Or the Eagles will be just fine with Swift, but
then they'll still go and get sae Quon. Anyway, you're
competing with those teams. So yeah, we kind of got
this running back mix right now. That'll be fine, that'll
probably beat regular teams. But you know, when you go
and play Minnesota in the postseason or something, you know, Detroit,
(34:57):
like these teams that have great d lines, you need
o line, great scheme and a dude that can help
those two out.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
So how concerned and I might not have been clear, please,
how concerned are you about this particular group?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
A little worried about it? But you know the nature
of running back is you never know till you see it.
You know, like you just never know which seventh round
running back that got drafted last year is gonna be great.
Tyrone Tracy is a is a solid little running back
that we probably didn't even have thoughts about, but he
ended up being a pretty decent dude for the Giants,
so you just never really know he'll be fine. And
maybe running back would be better here because we got
(35:30):
two great receivers on the outside, a really great passing game.
Running back and be solid. But if it was me,
if I was in charge, if my last name was Jones,
I would like to have a much better running back
to be able to use those advantages.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
How ranked this?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Please?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Coach and scheme offensive line or running back schemes for
me in importance? Put him in, put him in order
of importance. Scheme coach offensive line? Running backs that are that.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Order for me? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Order for me?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Then we shouldn't be worried about these running backs, should we.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, I'm asking the question, that's I'm saying. So you'll
go that poy. You say I'm running back first.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I'm going to scheme first, O line, then then for
me and then yeah, I thought you said old line third.
My bad.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well that's the thing about it is, though I am.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I still think. I still think running back is important.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
It is I do.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think Philadelphia became a much better football team last year.
Two things that they did the year before they drafted
the too young the rookie corners that came in to play,
and then they went and got Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I think that made a difference in their football.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Let me ask you this question, the Saquon do what
he did without that offensive line?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Because we saw him in New York. He was good,
he wasn't. That that's why, and that's but that's my point.
That's why.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
That's why I go back to when you put that order, Yes,
running back matters, and if you have a great one
that you can combine with a great offensive line and
a great scheme, now you're really hitting all stocks.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I can't wait till Derek gets mad and they're trying
to run the ball and it's looks like, man, this
pin and pull, they got it. They got this thing
blocked up. It's a great scheme and run what the
hell's the running back doing?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Handing hand both things. I mean, you have to have
a very solid offensive line for the running back to
be good great, you know, and working in some of
the Blues documentaries that we're currently doing, looking at back
at the old footage all different seasons, you're like, man,
the times that the Cowboys were the most successful is
when you have a solid running game tied into everything else.
(37:36):
Obviously that's part of the game. So right now, yes,
you need to solidify that run game. And with the
current guys that they have, we haven't seen them full
in action just yet, and I'm eager to watch that.
But at the moment, it just seems very very bland,
very like it's not giving me that excitement, excitement, you know, is.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
It the running back certain give you the excitement or
is it the you don't know this scheme how you're
going to run the ball?
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I guess surmise what the scheme is because we've seen
it in in In with the Cardinals, Like I think
I have an idea of what kind of scheme they're
gonna run.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
We'll see that is why needs to execute.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
No.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, when you start saying where
the question marks are for me, I have less question.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Marks about the scheme.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I have more question marks about the two tackles, and
I have more question marks about the running back position itself.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
How would you describe the Cardinals scheme? How would you
describe it?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And pull?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
What I saw in that game where we played there,
the penn and pulls, that's.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
All and give me that see that.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
This is this is I'm the question I'm gonna ask you,
and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Ask you this way. To me, Arizona is a college
running scheme. College Okay, Baltimore Ravens college running scheme.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And they did it well.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
If you've got a team, if you've got a team
that has a quarterback that has that read optionability, to me,
that's a college running scheme, you know. So to me,
there's teams like the forty nine ers, I would look
at the forty nine ersould say there are power teams.
Why they play with a full back?
Speaker 4 (39:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So what do you think Schottenheimer? Do you think he's
going to play? Do you think Hunter Lipkey is going
to be part.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Of his name?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Yesterday?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Then Dallas turns into a power running scheme which is
not pin and pull.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
But he's not.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
But he's not gonna be your primary running back. Let's
be clear.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
By no, no, no no no, A Barker, I'm talking about
like twelve personnel, how they're gonna, how the scheme is.
I think Dallas is going to try and be a
gap scheme run team when they just I think you
I think.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You drafted Booker, They're gonna move baddies.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, this man knows Booker better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
When he and I working on the draft together, the
draft show when you're when you're talking about Booker, it's
not about Penn And even even the coaches when they
were on with us during the third day of the draft, like, well,
if we can't run the pin and pull, you know,
they're not going to try and round peg square hole
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
They're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So to me.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Blow power some counters here or there, moving bodies, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I just I don't like I say, if you have
a quarterback that has the ability to run, this quarterback
can run.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I don't think they want him to run.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So now I'm trying to think about, Okay, can Dallas
get away? Are they going to be able with their
offensive line the way it is be a Penn and
Poll team and have some of those elements.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
But see Bryant last year watching the film, how many
times have we seen Dank go to hand the ball
off and the end crashes? Now you go, damn, Dank
could run right there, see, but it doesn't. See I'm
thinking it's in the scheme of him not to run
because it's wide open every single time happen.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
If this, if it turns okay, then it turns into
a college scheme.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Then it turns.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Into the element of right of reading it and then
going and that way.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And I think that that plays.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
I think that's what he's gonna be this year. I
think we're gonna see more of that in Dak's game
because quite frankly, that's when Dak said his best I
all agree, that's when Dak said.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
No, no, I don't wait for it standing up, take
a seat and wait for it. What I think it's
gonna take. That's just a saying in Spanish. No, basically,
I'm saying like, you gotta sit down and wait for it,
because I think it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Gona.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I just I just after after the.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
Injury and everything that we saw, I think not to
say that, because Dak is the guy that he says
all the right things and he's gonna go out there
and do all that. But the first injury that he had,
like a couple of years ago, Yes, I think you waited,
like mentally, it was like a mental thing or or
something there that I feel like I don't think they're
(41:45):
gonna risk having him running out there. But I agree
with you that's were his best at that's when he
plays his best, when he's able to escape and use
his like especially in the red zone.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
And I'm not saying he's gonna become Lamark Jackson. That's
not what I need from him. What I need from
him is, like you were saying, watch those moments, those
moments when it presents itself there, don't be hesitant to
take it and go another
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