Cowboys Break: Who Had That Score?

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Speaker 6 (00:40):
It is Monday, September fifteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
episode number thirty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of
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It is our job today to get you up to

(01:01):
speed on all things that happened yesterday and a forty
thirty seven overtime win by the Dallas Calboy.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Who had that score?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Nobody I had to ford it.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
I did me too, I said forty burger, But I
had no idea that the Giants had that kind of offense.
And I'm not quite sure I should even say right
I'm not even sure it is that kind of offense
as much as it is that kind of defense for
the cowboy.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
We'll get into all that.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
We're gonna talk about so many things that happened in
that game yesterday, because it was you probably could write
a story off each quarter and have it being strive
and yeah, literally it could be a game story off
of each one of those moments. But we'll go through
some of that stuff and get you guys up to speed.
Let's start what we normally start on a Monday, and
I want to go around and give have you guys
give me what you think was the storyline of this

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game other than the fact that it was drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Everybody jump on Dak's back and let's look. You know,
I think if Dak is going to be leading this thing,
he's going to be in charge of this thing and
we live and die by him. Cool, and we all
felt like the Giants defense was the hearder of the
units to deal with. And you know, pass Rush it
bore tow us up a little bit early, but you know,

(02:10):
Dak knows how to handle nonsense going on around him. Man,
shout out to the Giants. They did a really good
job in the first quarter. They gave the ball back
to the Cowboys with six minutes left, so first drive
almost a three and out. They would have, you know,
had the fourth down quarterback sneak that didn't necessarily work
out time management. Cowboys have to clean that up. But
the Cowboys definitely scored what thirty seven points in three quarters,

(02:34):
So shout out to Dak in them.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, I think to me, there's the and you mentioned
about Dak and stuff in the offense, So I think
there's some things that they have to look at defensively, yes, sir,
better here and you know, and and a lot of
it is you know, we talk about some coverages in
the way that Matt Eberfuss plays it. But we also
kind of kind of get an idea though, is is
everything that they're doing. Is everything they're doing, you know,

(02:59):
to the best of the ability of the players that
they have. And it's not me here. It's my responsibility
to to be like say, hey, this is good and
this is bad, you know when when you but there's
just just doesn't look like to me, there's fits and
there doesn't like there's a lot of communication and there's
some things I'm sure that they're looking at right now
that we're breaking down. Cover two is pretty simple to play,

(03:21):
you know, And if you're passing guys off to guys
who aren't particularly good Cover two players, I'm me personally,
Donovan Wilson is not a Cover two player. He's just not.
And you know, you put him on a hash or
you put Donald Wilson single high, and it's not like
can be very critical of Donald Wilson, and that's that's
not a slam at him. That's a slam on the
coaching staff for you know, not seeing that Donovan Wilson

(03:44):
is going to struggle in those kinds of situations, whether
you know, you know, you look at it with Digs
in the situation you think, well man, Digs is just
getting run by, But then you look at the ball
that goes down the field of Neighbors. Is the final
touchdown there, the one that he makes. I mean, it's
just it's like it's, you know, Donovan's looking at something,
Diggs is looking at something. Neighbors is now even with them,

(04:05):
and now he's separated. You got to ask yourself, are
you what are you? What are you thinking about? Here?
You could play Cover two and play zone and all
that all day. But if you just don't have the
guys that are capable of playing it to how you
want to play it, that's coaching malpractice right there. And
that's and that's the unfortunate thing. Yes, you do not

(04:27):
have a pass rush right now. Yes, Well, Jerry was
taking a bite of the nachos up in the press
box or up in his box, he was. He was
making a call to to try and get some help.
But if you're going to not bring pressure, and if
you're not going to bring blester blitzers, and you're gonna
play zone and cover two stuff and playing against a
veteran quarterback, there are going to be problems with your

(04:49):
pass defense.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Yeah, it's interesting because we'll get into more of the
the whys of what we think on that defense. But
it's interesting to me that that yesterday you just saw
the difference between week one and week two. Now, don't
get me wrong, the Eagles had their way in the
first half of that game offensively as well, But it
does make you wonder, if you know, when you play

(05:11):
quarterbacks that are less experienced, maybe like this weekend, when
you play the Bears, playing this sort of zone may
confuse them. It may give you extra time, you may
be able to win there. But when you're playing veteran quarterbacks,
like if they've got time and they're just looking for
a guy to find an open area of your zone
and you're not great at zone, that seems like a
really really bad mix for the Cowboys. And so far

(05:32):
the results have said, that's a really bad mix for
the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
This is gonna make us really mad. Russell Wilson's gonna
go out there next week versus the Chiefs. You say, Brian,
he's gonna throw for like ninety seven yards. It's gonna
bother everybody, and you know, neighbors gonna be mad again.
And you go, hey man, how did this happen versus Cowboys?
But it didn't happen versus Eagles, and the they go
do this. You know, you can't play all these quarterbacks
the same. You know, Jalen Hurts got bad eyes, so

(05:55):
when you're going against Jalen Hurst, maybe these muddy looks
work versus him. But Russell Wilson been doing this for
fifteen years now, so he knows what your regular cover
three and your regular Tempa two looks like. Now you
have to change this thing up week the week. Now,
how is it viuch that aj Brown and you know
Smith and all these guys get shut down, you know
per se, but one Dale Robinson goes crazy against you. Well,

(06:16):
I mean, you have to do something different every single week.
You can't just be like, we're gonna run forty seven
out of forty eight zone plays and then do the
same thing the very next week, because they got film
on you doing that. This Cowboys defense isn't They don't
have a black belt in Flus's defense, right, This is
all still brand new. Some of these guys are fresh

(06:36):
off Zimmers defense, so you have to do some things
to adapt to them. Dan Quinn I give him credit
for this all the time, notorious Cover three guy in
Seattle or whatever. But he comes here he says, hey man,
we got some man dudes, some pass rushers. You know
this will benefit us. So Taylor, your playing to these guys.
Shody is running the football because he got a running
back back and run the football. If running don't work,

(06:59):
we're gonna throw the ball. Just do something different. I
need Flus and I'm just a dude with a camera
and a microphone that's barely working. For Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
I just need flues to look at this much, to
look at the opponent and just make adjustments every single
week and you'll be fine, don't I don't think the
Cowboys have a talent issue on defense, but your talent.
You can't ask this group of past rushers to get

(07:21):
pressure with four number eleven ain't here. Sure, Pika Marsons
ain't here no more, because I can't say Pika Marsis
is not here anymore. So you got to get pressure
with more than four guys. It just is what it is.
You you probably got man cover corners. Try to throw
some man stuff in at it to compliment your man
cover corners, and you know, I'll let y'all talk.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I agree. No, I think you're absolutely right about that.
And that's what coaches always talk about. Hey, we got
to put our players in position to make to make place,
you know, defensively. You know you made some plays during
the you made some plays during the overtime period. You know,
the interception was the The interception was because Sam Williams
got pressure. Sam Williams got into Russell Wilson's face and

(08:03):
made him throw the ball over the top of him
and all of a sudden, But if Russell Wilson's standing
in that pocket like he had the majority of that day,
he's got neighbors to the outside that ball just he's
taken a shot to try and go make a play
and who knows, you're probably going to get a pass
interference called the way that the way that that crew
was calling that game yesterday. You know, so to me,

(08:23):
there's there was a It just goes back to like
you've got to figure out what your guys can and
cannot do. And you know, maybe maybe it was fool's
goal that you saw what you did in the first game,
But but Boch is absolutely right. If you've got a
veteran guy who's seen all these things, it's a little
bit more difficult to deal with that.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yeah, putting numbers to this.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
In week one, as you mentioned, watch next Genesta said
they ran zone one hundred percent of the time. Yesterday,
Next Gen stat said they ran zone ninety six percent
of the time, and to give you contexts, last year
they ran zones seventy one percent of the time during
the season. One of the things I have a question about,

(09:05):
and I think the shot he has been very adamant
about this since the opening of training camp really going
back into the off season. One thing he kept saying
over and over is we're going.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
To be multiple.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
We're going to be multiple, And he was talking about
in every facet of the game they planned to be multiple.
They wanted to do a lot of different things to
show teams a lot of different looks. It seems strange
to me, if we really are focused on being multiple,
that they would be so so heavy on zone. Does
that strike you guys as a little bit off or
is this something that's just normally The only problem.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Here is that they're just not good at it.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, there was a couple of times there in that
game where they tried to the old school Monti Kiff
and we've seen this, and you could go all the
way back to the Tampa days, and with Derek Brooks
playing as they're playing too deep and at the snap
both safeties are going to there are splitting, and then
you're trying to run a Mike linebacker, who a Hall
of Fame Mike linebacker through the middle of the defense.

(10:03):
But now you're asking that's not Samborn, and it surely
isn't Murray, you know, and Murray got picked off the
one time. I mean, they make a big play on it,
gets picked off by Johnson. But you're trying to play
a scheme where now you're kind of looking at your
guys and say, yeah, well this is tried and true
and this is what we do. Yeah, you did it
with Hall of Fame players. I mean that's what Mani

(10:25):
and Rod Marinelli and those guys did. So you've got
to figure out, you know, it can say you have
to be able to mix some man coverage stuff in there.
You have to be able to throw some people off
that way, you know, search around it and Fonchkin excellent
point by him. Dan Quinn was searching for things to do.
Dan Quinn was kind of a disciple of what we're

(10:45):
talking about, and then he morphed into, man, we've got
some man coverage guys, we've got some rushers, We've got
some you know, they've got to figure these things out.
You can't just keep it is as simplistic as it
is right now and expect it like, oh, okay, well
this is just gonna it worked against Jalen Hurts, It's sure,
what's gonna work against Russell Wilson do you know it's
just it's just not that's just not the way you

(11:07):
can operate.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Do you do you guys think that this will be
something that'll get better the closer we get to October
November or something like maybe they just need time playing
together figuring this thing out. Or do you need different
dudes to do different stuff because you do have a
linebacker to run real fast coming back and for thanksgiving
a legl according to him, But do you have a
safety problem because I saw the people on you know,

(11:28):
online saying, hey, can we go trade for safety now?
Brian brous Or, dere whoever.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, you got some moment with Derek.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah, I would just say I think it's a I
think it's a personnel issue. Not again, I agree with you, Brian.
I don't think the personnel is bad. I think they're
being asked to do things that aren't in their wheelhouse.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Right.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Let's let's be clear about what Donovan Wilson has been
with the Cowboys. Yes, I'm not gonna say what he
is over. I'm saying what he's been with the Cowboys.
He makes an impact when he's down near the line
of scrimmage. He has a box safety that's when he
has been at his best, that's when we've seen him
making plays. And to say you're gonna say, okay, now,
I want you to just take basic the deep half
of the field that has not been where we've seen
him at best. So I think we're playing I think

(12:05):
they're playing him out of position. I don't think these
linebackers are necessarily the kind that are athletic enough to
play deep. On several plays when they were in cover
to cover to Brian, to your point, there just wasn't
enough depth from the linebackers and so from if you
do that, then it basically leaves this huge void in
the middle of the field. Other times, what they would
do is basically they'd send a guy up the up

(12:26):
the outside.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
He would be deeper than the corner.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
The safety couldn't get over there in time, big game,
and so to cover too. They just they don't have
the personnel, or at least right now this play, this
personnel yesterday did not show they have the ability to
do consistently what this defense is asking them to do.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Or do they have those guys and they aren't playing
those guys. You know, lea foul had less than ten
reps last night. That could be a thing they could
hit at seven in week one or eight something that
six and week one I believe it was like eight nine.
Last night. I heard a lot of people saying, maybe
wy Ye Thomas would be better fit to doing a
job like that. Marquis Bell maybe could do a job.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
You know, Bell is another guy that.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I would say, Thomas is the guy. Thomas is the
guy that I that I would surely think about right there.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
But they both turn run how.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
About and how about maybe even you know and think
about this. You know, we saw a little bit of Bridges.
I think I saw him for one or two plays
in that game on defense Bridges who you know they
got Whezy rat because all I know is Weezy Wey.
This is Wheezy. Is the taller one, the tall taller,
taller Wheezy. So yeah, Weezy former former safety.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
But a guy that now has played some cover stuff,
do you find a way to and then they're like,
oh no, he's a corner. Okay, Well, to me, Thomas
is a better option than Bell. Bell's kind of like
Wilson down player is what I would think about there.
But you know, the thing with Wilson, and it's really
it's just feel. It's feel, it's vision, and you know,

(13:54):
he just doesn't have that that feel for when they're
running on him to be able to react. Takes him
time to see, oh my gosh, what's happening. And now
he's having to turn to go. It's they're asking him
to do something I just don't think that he is
comfortable doing. And they've and let's see if they've got
Thomas or Bridges or somebody like that that can that

(14:14):
can maybe maybe play that spot.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Just be clear. I don't want to take Donovan off
the field, because I think he does great, great things
in the rank game. I just don't want Donovan running backwards.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
That's all we got out how to use him real
quick before we go to break though. Was any of
what we saw yesterday from the defense a result of
not having Bland on the field.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I think they was going to throw the ball all
over the place regardless you and be as successful. Sure
you're you're not getting past rush at all, your safeties
out of line, you know, Uh, leverage was an issue
and neighbors as a dude in general, I don't I don't.
I don't think Bland would have helped too much.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah. I just to me, I wonder, and you guys
helped me in this one. If you played cover too,
how about some collisions at the line of scrimmage, you know,
how about some how about some disruption. I there was
so many free accessive lot of.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Space, yet a lot of free There was one time
they were on I think it was third and like
seven or something like that, and they gave up ten
yards a cushion, and I'm like, you gave an easy
first down.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I just to me, if there's gonna be covered, to
play it aggressively, you know, collision at the line. Throw
these things off. I mean, you don't have a pass
rush right now. And if you don't have a pass
rush and you give guys free access, you're gonna get
a five hundred yard passer. You damn your saw one yesterday.
I mean, that's what you gotta think about.

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All right, let's talk about the offensive side of the ball.
We really went in deep on the defense. We could
have got worse, but you we really could, and we
might go back by the way. By the way, we
might go back to it because there's some other things
we probably missed that we didn't get a chance to
talk to.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Let's talk about the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Yesterday, Dak Prescott was thirty eight or fifty two, seventy
three percent completion, three hundred and sixty one passing yards,
two touchdowns, an interception, and a ninety six point seven rating. Now,
the offense did start off somewhat slow. It took them
over on some playing. But that being said, how much
of that was on Dak and how much of that
was on the play calling? How much of that was

(19:01):
on the offensive line. Where do you think the blame
was for their slow starting? How did they get it
actually turned around?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think the Giants just did a decent job of
knowing you First of all, you didn't really get that
many chances at it in the first quarter. But besides that,
knowing that little play action boot waggle tight end to
the flats and Shoty kept calling it, and eventually he
stopped calling it and they went more vertical with Jake.
So good for Shotty. They're making the adjustment lose. Also,

(19:29):
also we talked about the offense, I'm just talking my
coaches in general. Also too, I think the run game
got going as well, and and that helped us out
a lot. You know, I just I just had to
keep giving credit. Man thirty three is a lot better
than what I thought he was. And when he's you know,
catching dump offs and getting more yards because he's whooping
hell out of people downfield, right, that just makes Das

(19:50):
makes Dak's job easier. Uh So we can definitely talk
about you know, running back later and what that means
for the other running backs and all that, but just
as far as what the what the Giants did whooping
your line up front, and it happened to all of
them except for Big Tyler, which is seventy three, but
all the rest of them, they kind of went through
their ups and downs here. The tight ends helped a

(20:10):
little bit. The running back stayed in a handful of times.
But I did like when the when the Cowboys chose
to help with the tight end but throw to the
running back. I think that's something that just kept working.
So they just kept going going to it. But after
a while we just talked about it here, that kind
of got a feel for when the offensive line was
was gonna lose up front. Right. It sounds crazy, but
he got a feel for it. And the ball came

(20:32):
out right when Dak was getting hit. So Dak did
get hit more towards the towards the end of the game.
But it's like Lamb for thirty pickings and thirty you know,
Ferguson downfield or whatever, So shouts out to Dak for
kind of figuring this thing out and Turf and had
a good game too.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, you know, the point was made about at one
point in the first that Dallas had run six plays
to the Giants twenty two. Crazy, you know, so now
you're now you're in a little bit of a bind
with that whole situation, and you're, you know, you're going
three and our and stuff like that. I kind of
felt like that if you look at the it was
the eleven I think it was the eleven twenty six

(21:07):
mark in the second quarter, they throw a thirty three
yard pass to the ceed Lamb, they max protect the
thing and they kind of rolled back to the right
and they sling that ball all the way across the
field to the left. After that point, I kind of
felt like, okay, now, you know, it kind of woke
them up. Then Ferguson got a ball and it was

(21:27):
like shot. He was in a little bit of a
funk calling, like he had been so good on the
first couple of drives against the Eagles. I mean it
was like, you know, Mike, You're like, whoa look at this.
You know, combinations of run passed together, everything getting married.
You know. Just the fact that he didn't have the
ball a whole whole bunch in the first I think
affected the way that he kind of called that game.

(21:49):
But after that passed that thirty three yard pass to CD,
I kind of felt like he got it going. But
to you guys point as well, the one the second
half passes. You know, if you remember, he throws a
ball down the field to Lamb, it's a big, big
play and he gets whacked. I mean it's a it's
a it's a roughing the passer penalty. That just showed
you though that Dak he had to hang in there

(22:11):
and hang in there and make some throws with some guys,
and he took some hits, is what he did. But
I felt like early in the game it was more
kind of more of that than it was the later part. Yeah,
the numbers will tell you. I'm sure you're going to
tell me, Derek that there were more pressures and all that,
but it just seemed like to me the routes were better.
They got Pickens involved too. That's you got him going

(22:34):
the slant. The slant he makes on third down late
in the game. What a great catch he's got inside.
They got inside leverage on him, and he still runs
the slant and Dak puts it right on him. How
about the out route for the touchdown that he set
up him again, boom right there at the line. That's
a tight window throw. That thing could have got picked
and gone the other way, and then the next thing
you know, you're losing a football game. So Dak did

(22:55):
a great job of hanging in there, Pickens getting involved,
Lamb making some plays, the offensive line, you know, doing
what they had to do to make sure that the
ball got out when they could.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah, I would say this shot shoddy and Dak yesterday
proved a lot to me. Now, it's early in the season,
but the way they adapted, because at the early part
of that game, I don't think they had much much
going offensively. I don't think Dak was necessarily at his
best at the early part of that game. But what
I saw was as that game went on, I started
to get confidence by watching Dak that they were going

(23:24):
to make it happen.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Like as you got to.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
The end of that game, and then even in overtime
when they had the ball, I felt like, Oh, they're
gonna make something happen. Because Dak got better as the
game wore on, the play calling got better as the
game gone on, The offense started to jail. I'm started
to click a little bit more as a game went on,
and that's not something we've always seen around here. Sometimes
when it goes off track, it just stays off track.
And so I think that was a big credit to

(23:48):
both Shoddy and to Dak into the whole offense.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
But that being said, what are we gonna say something?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, but real quick though, if it could, there was
a couple I mean, I'm sorry, you need to finish.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
I didn't mean to put no, I was gonna move
to another topic, so real.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Quick though, though. You know where you give credit to
Shoddy for some things, An absolutely him and Dek, but
also to me with the intent that they got the
delay game penalty when they had a chance to get
a first down right there, and they looked like they
had the intent to get the first down and they
just didn't get the.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
They have to be just a brain farm. But well,
but if you look.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
At this crew, if you look at that crew last
week and the in the game I think they had
the Pittsburgh Jets game, they had two clock violations. You know,
so you got to be a yeah, you got to
be aware of like who you're dealing with in that crew,
and that with these crews, if they're going to call
roughing the pass or if they're gonna call if they're
gonna call lining up in the backfield, you gotta be

(24:37):
aware that this crew is gonna throw a flag. But
also too right before the half that could have been devastating.
You know, we always talk about winning the middle eight,
you know, the four minutes before the end of the half,
and then the four minutes and you had that opportunity
to get some points and then turn around and get
points coming out. Yeah, and then you just completely you know,

(24:58):
poop in the bed and don't do anything the end
of half, and then dak thoes interceptions to start the
second half. So, you know, just unfortunate the way that
some of the game management stuff. That's really the one
criticism I have as Schottenheimer is of how poorly that
those two were, those two segments were executed.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
I just wonder on that play, particularly what they got
delay a game that seemed like he audible two or
three times, yeah, and the Giants basically gate like there
was a gaping hole in the middle of their defense.
I was like thatk just snapped the ball and run, run,
which is exactly what he did.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
He just waited.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah, And I don't know if he was trying to
get them off balanced by by continuing audible, but at
some point you's got to go, and I think they
missed that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah. You kind of felt like that they were trying
to draw them, and I'm like, man, I see the
same thing the gap. Just step up and go, just
step up and run the play. But Bill Vinovich and
that crew, now that you know, they've got a little
bit of a hey the clock is the clock hit zero?
And I've seen it lot worse. I've seen clock hit
zero in no call. This thing went one then there

(26:00):
and then now you know the play, you're kind of
feeling like, whoa man that was? That was a quick
whistle right there.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
So how was set up as a former center bron Brus.
You know what I'm saying. They you know you if
you just line up and quarterback sneak it. Yeah, Dex
Lawrence is there. So what you really want is to go, Hey,
y'all were trying to get you to jump out side.
Chill audible. Hey, stay disciplined, don't jump off side, and
then we go and then we'll get you right right.

(26:25):
It's just that that was a really quick zero flag.
I've seen it go zero tick then flag, Oh I
have so so Yeah, Dak Dak and Shotty weren't kind
of wrong there. But the but the point is to
get the ball right at one and then go right.
But the flag came out.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Can't go ahead zero, it has to snap at one.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Got to be ed this one. So they did miss there,
but it was on purpose.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, all right, let's let's talk about Javonte Williams. He
had eighteen carriage fro ninety seven yards five point four average,
one touchdown. He had another six receptions for thirty three yards.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
The interesting part is they didn't really run a lot yesterday.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
And I went back.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
You know, at the end of the game, you look
at and you're like, well, they did go to overtime,
there was a shootout game, and they had fifty two
passes twenty eight runs. Maybe that was a result of
what happened late in the game, but even in the
first half before it was in that kind of situation.
I think what the Cowboys had six rushes in the
first half, I'm sorry, the first quarter, and then they
had what twenty one passes in the first quarter. Even

(27:23):
early in the game, they were throwing the ball a
lot more than the run. Do you think that that
was part of the reason why maybe they weren't finding
that rhythm. It's because maybe they should have been doing
a little bit more running early in the game.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Let me tell you what I don't like about Miya McCarthy.
He don't work here no more. But when you used
to ask Mike, Hey, Mike, what's wrong with the run game? Oh,
we just need to run it more. We just need
some more attempts. And I would hate los this possible
for that out. I would hate when you see him
as we look up, there's j I would hate what
he's saying that just because you ran it doesn't mean
that this is the right time to run it. The

(27:54):
Cowboys are seeming to find the right times to run it.
And it's not like Javonte Wieds going out there and
have in two hundred yard rushing games, right, But it's like, boy,
we're running the ball really well in the red zone
or at the goal line, where the Cowboys have always
had problems running the football, right. So I think Javonte
catching the football is just as much a part of
this thing as well. That little swing to the outside

(28:15):
him catching and running somebody over. I think that's like
a run play also, so you know, them running is
definitely part of the rhythm or whatnot. But once they
got going running the ball, you saw, okay, they got
going doing everything else, but it was really hard to
get that rhythm when your first drive is nonsense and
the Giants is just holding the ball for so long.
But once it got going, it was going.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
It was clear though that they were going to have
success when they did run the ball with Whims and
a lot of this has to do with him. It
didn't matter if it was actually outside left or outside right,
it was inside and going into this we kind of
in Vatch and I were talking about this last week
when we were breaking this down, is like do you
attack the edges for the Giants? Do you run stay

(28:54):
away from running the ball inside and try and run
the ball a little bit more on the edges. But
if you look at the way that Williams, the way
that carries broke down almost eight yards going to the
left side, outside left, ten yards going to outside right.
So give you know, give the tackle some credit, give
span Ford some credit to that big body is able
to get some you know, get some blocks and stuff

(29:16):
up front they were able to get. But Williams, Williams,
just his toughness and his ability to find the gaps
and then to make those runs I think was really
the most impressive thing yesterday.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
All Right, we're gonna take our final break.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
When we come back, I'm gonna ask this these former
offensive linemen, did you put the offensive line at a
disadvantage by not running more? Because sometimes what I've heard
is you want to get your offensive line going, especially
this one that's young, and I do think they're an
aggressive offensive line. Giving them a top, the opportunity to
mash people a little bit can kind of get them going.
And we saw some problems yesterday in the past game.

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Speaker 6 (32:27):
It is the final segment of the break life from
that's WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. I know we've
been we've been harping on some things Cowboys could as
should have done, but let's not forget they won. And
I'm ask people that always say in the NFL, I
don't care what the what what it looks like as
much as I care about the result. A win is
a win is a win. You only get seventeen of these.

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This was in the win column, so let's make sure
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Speaker 5 (32:54):
All right, let's talk about the uh.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Let's continue on the conversation of the offensive line, and
I teased before we went into the break, really well,
you buck you guys. Both plays off played offensive line,
and I've heard from offensive lineman, you know, sometimes they
want the play caller to just say, we're gonna line
up and we're just gonna run through people. We're gonna
run the ball, and we're gonna be We're gonna be
the aggressors as opposed to when you're playing pass defense,
you're you're backing up, you know, you're playing more defense.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
You're kind of just not letting them buy you. You're
kind of dancing. It's the dancing bear, you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
It was.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
This a situation where some of what we saw from
this offensive line, which at times was not very good,
particularly in past protection, was a result of them not
giving them the ability to be the aggressors more often.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
That's fair, that makes sense. And I think this offensive
line and how they run block with Williams and how
he runs, you know, I think it's easy to wear
down the defense. I think you saw it last week,
and you saw it towards the end of this game also,
and maybe that would have helped the Tylers. Right, so
tall Tyler's like three twenty two he's like three twenty

(33:59):
two something like that. So letting him lean on Burns,
who's like two sixty to sixty five or so, he's
you know, slimmer of an edge guy, that would have
probably you know, given him the advantage, you know. But
but instead Burns is good. He's just had a bunch
of water. He's fresh, and letting him be fast and
crafty and pass rush he got that could be a

(34:20):
disadvantage for him. Big Tyler who's Tyler Smith? He was
He was fine all day, every day, no matter what
you asked him to do. He's good. But Booker being young,
it's very much so to our advantage to let him
and b be punish and move guys and thump and
wear guys down as much as possible. It's just game

(34:40):
flow happened right, game flow. We just didn't get in
the rhythm and you just had to end up throwing
the ball, and just throwing the ball was just where
the advantage was. So the first taste of what you
got from Dexter Lawrence or Roy Jones, Robinson, I don't
know all three of his names, but the first thing
that you ran into with those guys was fresh pass Rusher.
This just doesn't benefit us. This isn't Tyrras Smith, Zach Martin,

(35:02):
Travis Frederick. They can line up and whoop you, however,
but this group of offensive linemen that are probably better
run blockers now than pass blockers, it'll probably benefit them.
The lean on guys first and then had to deal
with the past run.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, this one really actually came down in the game
when you watch the tape, it came down to like
the heavy box or light box. Dallas had much more
success running with six or less defenders in the box
than they did when they got seven or more. You know,
the yards per carry went down. It just seemed like
that they had a little bit more problems of like

(35:34):
maybe it was trying to secure down guys and and
then you're not getting you know, like we're in Philadelphia,
you kind of got guys up on second level blocks
and things like that. But this one was really this
game came down to, you know, Dallas was really good
when it when it came to having to deal with
the lighter boxes, and maybe it's an adjustment that you

(35:55):
make if you're Dak Prescott and if you're Brian Schottenheimer,
you kind of come up with the idea of maybe
run past you know, check with me kind of situations,
you know, if you get and that can be on
the quarterback too. If the quarterback seees like, hey man,
we're having some success running against six or less defenders,
I'm going to need to run the ball here and

(36:15):
try and get a little bit of some rhythm that way.
I kind of felt like going into the game though
this week, throwing the ball was going to be if
you could have protected the front, if you protect Dak,
I felt like on this secondary you can make some plays.
And you started, like we were talking about earlier, protecting
it a little better, and then the ball was able
to get out and you were able to make some plays.

(36:37):
But I think it's going to be about Dallas is
going to have to and maybe teams will say, listen,
you want to play against Dallas, you got to play
against with heavy box because they will run. They will
run you out of that. If you put six or
less down there, Dallas will run with Williams and they'll
have some success doing it. But if you put the
extra guys in there, well, maybe that sets up some

(36:58):
stuff for the passing game. So it's kind of a
it's kind of like you're damned if you do, and
you're damned if you don't. But teams have got to
make a determination. Is Dallas's running game with light box
going to keep you from, you know, from playing that
way or do you have to say, wait a minute,
they run the ball now with some effectiveness, we can't
do that. Well now, it helps pickings, it helps Ferguson,

(37:22):
it helps Lamb, it helps tober anybody else out there.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
That's playing also too, You're not going to run into
another D line like this where there's like a dude,
like a bona fide dude lined up over your center
and three other guys that can get after it. I mean,
you have to play the Giants again. But like Green
Bay may be the other example where like why it
is cool, but why it's not Dexter Lawrence and there's
Mike on the other side there. But you know, I

(37:44):
think match up one versus ones or whatnot. I just
think that this Giants D line group was just much
better than your Cowboys O line group. It'll be much
different versus the next few teams.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, the metrics will tell you in this game that
the Giants played at about fifty six percent of the time.
So half the time when they were playing their front
they didn't think Dallas could run the ball. They said, okay,
we can handle it with our edges, our defensive tackles
and our linebackers, and Dallas on half those half of
those carries were able to get you know, four plus

(38:15):
yards on those carries. So if you kind of look
at how this all broke down, fifty percent of the
time Dallas was having success. Teams are going to have
to determine while is Williams and now a threat that
we can't just say, well, you know, teams will just
disregard Dallas's running game. You can't do that anymore. You can't.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
Real quick, I was able when I went back. I
looked at every play in next Gen stats that had
that was considered a play where there was pressure. There
were nineteen total of them. It was the breakdown of
the guys that gave up the pressure. Three of them
came just by five man protection against the blitz that
was a free man, so.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
They got pressure.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Five were attributed to Guidon, four attributed to Steele, four
attributed to Booker.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Three beat it to bebe.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
Uh and it was interesting because a couple of the
ones that that that Bebie gave up. They were just
linebackers basically flitting him one and it was one on
one and they.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Just beat him.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
I guess the speed just beat him.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
But but was there anything that you took from looking
at the offensive lineman and how they were giving up
these pressures? Uh that were common themes? Uh that you
think the Cowboys really just have to spend some time.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, when they're dealing with the guy that and you've
got these long edge rushers that have some speed and
have a little and then then kind of know how
to break you down with hands and movement and stuff
like that. Voch help me with this one body position
is bad. And and sometimes these defenders will say they
know a guy like Steel who's played enough. You just

(39:44):
walk him, you just take him. You just put out.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
The hell is Elijah Gars, I haven't know who he was.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
You put you just put your head in the middle
of his chest and run him right back into the quarterback.
That's why we had some of these discussions about uh,
you know about a about Nate Thomas and even when
you know, I asked Stephen Jones the question on one
O five three the Fan on Friday, and he was saying, yeah,
we're these guys are pushing Nate Thomas is pushing for
you know, so I was kind of glad to hear that.

(40:12):
But the biggest thing I think, Derek is the power
these guys when it sometimes the power is a little
too much. And it looks like to me that Guidon
has a little bit of trouble when they take him inside.
That just taking that right foot and just stepping inside
to keep him from giving giving up that pressure. But
body position, hands, all these things that break that break

(40:34):
linemen down. They tend to happen to these tackles especially.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Also too, like dudes make you over compensate for what
you really are. You know, you're guiding. You walk out
there and there's Jealex Hunting, no dispector the Jalex hunt
He's a pro football player. He's really good at his job.
But if you're a guid and you have a little
more confidence versus him than a guy like Brian Burns
who's known to whoop to whoop feed on the outside
as far as like slants on the inside, and you know,
dealing with linebackers, that's another thing Dexter Laurence simply existing

(41:02):
there could make you miss a linebacker because you're so
concerned about him moving around on the inside. So it's
just some Booker and BB just got to get older
and work on.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
I think one thing that stood out to me was
the twists. They had some some issues at times with
picking up twist twists and.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
They had the last yeah, that it was a problem.
It was a problem in training camp, and it was
a problem. It was a problem that it happened even
in Philadelphia. And that's a lot of that has to do.
And now we'll see with the situation at the center spot,
you know where where that's going to take you too,
because you might be having a backup playing there.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Trust Brock hopping for four games, boy, and that's that's
hopefully that's that's all it is.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
But we are hearing reports that it's going to be
a substantial amount of time, uh for for Cooper BB.
But we don't know that for sure yet. The Cowboys
have not given a statement yet. We'll see how that
plays out real quick. I did want to also mention
that it was a part of those pressures to Those
pressures came from Miles Sanders in blitz pick up.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
It was a.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Tough as because he was kind of on He was
on the right side, I think in both both instances,
and there was a guy coming from the left and
he had to kind of get all the way over
there and just couldn't get there in time. And the
guy got pressure on the on the quarterback. So there
was some of that too, But I just think all
the way around there was no I didn't see a
clear this.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Guy was the problem.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It was.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
There were problems throughout, and it was problems from everybody
except for Tyler Smith, which is a good thing. If
you're paying him that much money, you don't want problems there.
But I think there were issues all along that front.
And and I'll be interested to see. I think you're
I agree with you watched that this may just be
one of those matchups where you just kind of have
to manage that and that's why you're happy you come
away with a win because you just figured out how

(42:38):
to do just enough. And quite frankly, I put a
lot of that on your quarterback. Your quarterback as the
game got and went on, he started adapting to the
pressure and he was making plays in spite of the pressure.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
There were some plays though, that some big chunk plays
that they made where bb was uncovered and peeled back
and picked up guys up. You know, he was really helpful.
I mean, it looked like to me that Dak was
going to get hit a couple of times and Bbe
was able to get back and pick up some stuff
and help that way. So yeah, I mean, but they hey,
they made plays when they had to make plays down
that stretch. That was some clutch football when they needed it.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Man, I say something, Yeah, this ain't about offensive line,
nothing like that. I just didn't want to leave without
saying that Kenny Clark, olso dig Zua, and Solomon Thomas
played very well.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
Les.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about that tomorrow. I'm already set
up for that.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
We're gonna do something call We're gonna do something called
Shining Stars and Falling Stars when they're about some individual
players that played well and some players that didn't. But
I will say this, we are not ending the show
without taking our hats off. If we had on hats
to our man, Brandon Aubrey. That man is a beast.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
And when I.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Say he is a weapon, it's not often you can
call a kick or a weapon. That man is a
weapon for this team.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
They ran a draw play, just set up a sixty
four yard field goal.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
And yeah, and by the way he jumped on the ground,
he was like, I give myself up, my kicker, come
on the field.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I give myself. They didn't fight to get no.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
No, It's like.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
How many times did we hear in the in the
when we were in the locker room after the game,
they kept saying the same statement, and you get to
the star, yeah, the kicker like that was They're like,
if you get to midfield, you are money. And I
think that is that is a kicker that is unlike
any kicker I've ever seen the NFL from the standpoint
of being a true weapon. I think the rules committee
this next offseason needs to talk about the fact that

(44:23):
when you get over sixty yards, maybe should be four points,
Like maybe there should be something more.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
What's that fantasy football comp I'm just.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Saying, like there needs to be something more.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
That's not a you're giving me the same amount of
points for a twenty five yard kick as you do
for a sixty four yard kick.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I'm sorry, I want more. I got a joke. I
always say that if you know it's a touchback or something,
you get the ball like the thirty five or whatever.
You just need twenty five offensive yards. Yeah, you and
field goal range. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I'll tell you what. Not having turping in that game
late might hurts you a little bit. I mean, I
know you got the win, but man, having Toldert having.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Return, I'm not gonna say nothing bad by.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Jai nothing, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
I just say because he made he made a play.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
He made that in that game. Give because he missed
another one.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
Okay, but he made a play. He made a play
that they needed when they needed it.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
We had a discussion on some other show that I
was doing. I ain't gonna say where we were because
I don't know, but it's like, do you trust Cede
Lamb double covered or do you trust turping one on
one because you get the same result if he's if
he's single cover. So just throw the ball to CD
double cover, right?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah? Can I can ask this the most successful NFL play?
This ended here Brandon Aubrey kicking a field long field
goal or the toush push, which is a more which
is a more devastating play, or or more more, which
is the most successful play, the Toush push or the
Brandon Aubrey Longfield.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
I don't think I've ever seen the Eagles not get
what they want out of the Toush push.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I haven't seen Aubrey mister damnfield a long for that matter.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
That's true. He's like, he's so good, so good.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
But that being said, I think the Cowboys realize that
and at this point one and one oh, I think
you got to do at this point and figure.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Out how you're gonna get him paid.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Get you're that champ said in the call when you
said after it was good, don't pay that guy, don't
call don't call Clowny, call time friends, and take care
of Damn.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
That has to be next on the list as far
as the Cowboys case. They've given out money at this point,
I wouldn't getting that line.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
All right, we appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Guy jumps back and watching Derek You're next.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I started to make a joke. I started making a
joke about you watching the Texas game. He was tweeting, Yeah,
I've thrown everything out remote and my pillows in my house.
I didn't tweet, but I started saying, man, I been there,
got five thousand dollar pillows at his house. I just
didn't tweet it because I know you're a rich man.
I do not.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
I'm not a rich man.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
There is what I got.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
I got your regular, regular, average, every day pillow.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I just slunk.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
By the way, if I had thousand dollars pillows, they
would not be being thrown.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
My wife wouldn't allow that. Let's just be clear about that.
Appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I know the paying five interceptions twenty points at l
s U tell me about it.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
It was a day yet, it was a day Saturday.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
But anyway, I go get into that Cowboys one, Cowboys one.
We're gonna stick with that. Provide somebody. Brian brought us
some Derek Heils. This has been The Break live on
Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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