July 1, 2025 • 48 mins
Coastal erosion in New South Wales triggers evacuation orders, Muslim preacher Wissam Haddad found to have breached racial discrimination laws. Plus, Paul Keating casts shadow over Labor’s stalled super gains tax plan.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
to Creedlin. Steve Price sitting in for Peter all this week.
Here's what's coming up on the program tonight. Australia's relationship
with the United States, Well, you've got to say it
goes from bad to worse. Foreign Minister Penny Wong, she's
in Washington to meet her US counterpart, Marco Rubio. But
(00:24):
ken she and Kevin Rudd, our ambassador, get the PM
face to face with Donald Trump. Andrew Clannel with an
update on all of that. Shortly. Still on politics, the
government stubborn refusal to back down at all on changes
to superannuation even has Paul Keating complaining. David Pearl, ex
Treasury will tell us what might happen next with that legislation,
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and I'll take you to the UK where the antisemitic
Rapper disgrace at Glastonbury is still playing out today. And
guess who's the highest paid state premier in Australia after
a recent pay rise. No, it's not WA's Roger Cook
and his mining royalty driven budget surplus. It's not even
South Australia's widely popular, Peter melanowskis Nope, it is victorious,
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just Siner Allen on five hundred and thirteen thousand dollars
a year. I'll get our panel reaction to that, and
I'll also find out what is the latest with this
brutal weather pattern that is striking the east coast of Australia,
particularly on the central coast of New South Wales. But
first up tonight, what about the perfect example of self
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delusion from our Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi on Sky News
Today with Peter Stefanovic. When do you expect to sit
down with Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh, when we have a meeting. We'll have a meeting.
And when it's scheduled that will occur. We'll see each
other a lot in the last months of the year.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
That's when summit season occurs.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
For God's sake, when we have a meeting, we'll have
a meeting. I mean, thanks for telling us that. The
Prime Minister even called us, being Australia a significant player
in keeping the peace in our region.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Have a look Australia, doesn't you know? Just be passive here.
Australia always pulls our weight and as I as the
Australian Prime Minister. I'll talk up our contribution because we
are significant allies where significant players in delivering peace and
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security in our region.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Sadly, the blood goes from worse to worse to worse.
I can't believe it, as I said, delusional a peacekeeper.
He calls Australia with what exactly a busted navy, no defense,
attack drones, a compromised air force and an ADF where
morale is at an all time low. I guess if
you keep telling yourself something long enough, and you keep
repeating it over and over and over publicly, you end
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up believing it. I can only presume defense chiefs are
repeating this mantra to the Prime Minister because at the
end of the day, you don't want to admit the
historical mistakes that you have made leading defense that's led
us to where we are right now.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Australia could have, as Tony Abbott suggested, brought conventional submarines
off the shelf from the Japanese, but no, the government
decided not to do that. We had the French Deal
and we walked out on that as well, instead signing Orcust,
which means many of us won't live to see the
nuclear attack hubs even in the ocean in our naval colors.
I mean, how many defense white papers and reviews do
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we need? How many of the late Jim Molean warnings
do we need about how we can't defend ourselves? How
many times do we have to be told we only
have a month or so of stored petrol, no reserves
of oil. I mean, seriously, I mean, we are kidding ourselves.
And the dangerous mood that is settled over camera seems
to be well, don't worry. If we really get in trouble,
the Americans will come over, riding over the horizon and
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save us as they normally do. But the big question
now is will they with this president? Who knows? Which
brings me to ambassad the Kevin Rudd. What a mistake
that appointment was, And it was made by Anthony Albanezi
because their mates. Sky's Laura Jays is in Washington this week.
She had a Republican polster by the name of Brent
Buchanan on her morning show yesterday. Here is what he
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told Laura about the non relationship between Kevin Rudd and
the White House.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Donald Trump needs to find an Australian that he likes,
or Australia needs to find an Australian that Donald Trump
likes and let that person take point. Because so much
with Donald Trump is personal relationship.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Do you think this is personal He simply doesn't know
Anthony Albanezi or he doesn't like him.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think he doesn't like the current ambassador and that's
one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Really, he doesn't like him. I mean, clearly Ruds not
the bloke for this job. I mean, here's a couple
of people. I mean we talk about find someone Donald
Trump likes who's Australian and get them involved here. Well,
here's a couple of people that Prime Minister should start
by recruiting the busy cardboard king and billionaire Anthony Pratt,
number one millionaire Gina Reinhart, current and former golfers like
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Adam Scott and Greg Norman who both have relationships with
Donald Trump. Or suck up your pride and Anthony and
go back to former Ambassador Joe Hockey or even former
Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Now the PM won't do this,
of course, but he seriously needs a circuit breaker here
and that is not Kevin Rudd Still on politics, Let's
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head to Camberra Now for tonight's political headlines with Skotte
News reporter Rubinspago.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
A union boss, as the latest to join growing calls
for changes to Labour's contentious superannuation plan. He will double
the tax on earnings for balances more than three million
dollars and applies to unrealized capital gains. ACTU Secretary Salliam
McManus believes it should be indexed to reduce the number
of people course in the net over their working life.
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Former Prime Minister Paul Keating is also weighing in. He
claims Labour's plan will affect more Australians than originally forecast.
The Prime Minister is defending his plans.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Very modest changes discussed. We are right, we are right. Well,
good on you. You stay on, Paul, I'll stay on superannuation.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But because he's wrong, no.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I'm talking about superannuation.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Members of the government have flagged that the thresholds would
likely be changed in the future. Labor will have an
easier time passing laws when Parliament returns in a little
under three weeks. It's due to the new makeup of
the Senate, which formally began today. There are seventy six
seats in the Senate and thirty nine are required to
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pass legislation. At the end of the last parliament, Labour
held twenty six seats, meaning they needed support from thirteen
crossbenches to pass anything giving significance way to independence. Helped
by the defection of Into Cocks, Labour's numbers have grown
to twenty nine. It means the government can now pass
bills with the support of the Greens alone.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Staying on the politics, joining me now, Sky's political editor
Andrew Clanel this saga, Andrew. I mean, the only way
it's going to end is when Donald Trump picks up
the phone and says, right and make come and see me.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
And that'll happen, I think. But until it does, it's
really uncomfortable, isn't it. I'm almost cringe while I'm watching it. Steve,
to be honest with you, the breakfast hosts, all four
of them, are asking him about it this morning. Here
he is, the PMS trying to say, on July one,
you get energy rebates, you get more super compulsory super
you get wage increases, and all that they want to
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ask him about is this meeting with Trump, because it's
a fair question.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
The thing that really kicks it off more is that
after Donald Trump hat had to lead the G seven
early understandably and couldn't meet Anthony Albanez. He had phone
comations with other leaders, but not alb and easy and
you do, sort of as an observer then go, well,
what's the problem he is, Kevin Rudd, The problem is
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defense spending. The problem. It opens itself up to all
sorts of speculation. And I'm sure once he has those
meetings with Trump, we won't have that anymore. But it
looks like a couple of months before that occurs, so
that's pretty uncomfortable here. He is, he's won this swinging victory,
so many seats he won, but yet he's got an
issue with one of the very things he kind of
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campaigned on as sort of a case of be careful
what you reap when you sew in terms of he
went to the election with that. You know, I'm not Trump.
Duttnears and now he needs to see Trump for Australias
in Australia's interest. So we've got the Quad meeting in
India in September. That's a no Brainer for the fact
they'll probably meet there right, hopefully they'll have a bilat
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as opposed to just the meeting of four. Then he
said the PM that he wants to go the UN
gen or Assembly and address them or so in September.
So I could see that becoming one trip. But I
don't think there's any point him going to the UN
unless he's going to the White House, right, So they
need to lock that in, and Kevin Rudd's job is
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to lock that in. We've now got Petty Wong over
there trying to make it happen, it seems. Then you've
got the G twenty and Apex Well, who knows how
long Donald Trump's going to go there for having just
been to the G seven with the PM. He likes
to just meet a couple of leaders he thinks are
important and leave, and we saw that with his visit
to NATO as well. He doesn't like to spend a
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lot of time at the summits Donald Trump. So that's
where we've got our reshure, I think, Steve, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Think anyone wants to spend too much time at summits.
We'll get on to Kevin. My friend Kevin in a moment.
Just let's have a look at a grab where you
refer to the TV breakfast shows and the way the
Prime Minister his mood is really cranky when this comes up.
Have a look. Are you just kind of morning that
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kicking yourself and not getting on that plane to Washington
to meet Trump earlier?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not at all, Nat, I've had my priorities right.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
The president was actually elected last November. You've had plenty
of time before our own election to actually visit him.
Are you now looking at this and thinking it was
a mistake to leave it this late?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
No, a little bit embarrassing. Hasn't that pretty simple question?
Speaker 9 (10:30):
When are you going to meet the Donald?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Not at all? Look where we'll meet when we meet
in coming months.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
We tries to laugh at off Andrew, but a minute,
it is become increasingly embarrassing. I mean, those shows have
got reasonable audiences, and so the Australian public, who were
probably never engaged in this sort of thing, don't really
understand why it's so important to meet Donald Trump. Now
go well, heck, come, Donald Trump, who you know won
a substantial majority in the election in the United States,
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Why doesn't he want to see our prime Minister, aren't
the Americans our friends? I mean, it starts to get
down into those sort of weeds, doesn't it. Well, it's just.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Gritted teeth you see there. I mean, I'll bet you're
sorry he put his name up for those interviews because
how how they do them? The pms and the other
pms do it this way as well. They go, right,
we're doing all the TVs in the morning, get that
message out there and be fired everyone, which is good,
and we'll go seven forty five this station, eight PM,
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eight fifteen, eight point thirty and usually we're on the
roster of that. So if you think about his experience
through them, he's just done back to backs four of
them on TV and the very first question just about
every time, and a persistent line of questioning is on
the Trump Mate. That's not what he got up for,
but that's what he got.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Well that he did.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I suspect the F word that Donald Trump used
last week might have been used by the Prime Minister
when he got offers TV interviews this morning and walk
back into his office to his advisor and said, we're
doing this.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
For well, you don't know what the if you're doing,
like Donald Trump now I've got an interview at the PM.
I'm looking forward to it actually on Friday for Hour
and Sydney. So I just have to follow up all them.
And you know, I mean, the thing is, the funny
thing for me was that he has like he had
the right smile for Breakfast TV, but it was a
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gritted teeth smile. Because it's like, why you guys are
about this. I get the meeting when I get the meeting,
all right. The trouble is that, for the reasons you
just said earlier, that doesn't seem to be acceptable to people.
So it's a tricky one. And I do wonder about Kevin,
if Kevin's if Kevin, you know, Kevin might not be
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an impediment, but if we're looking for is there an impediment?
And you look at Rudd's previous comments about the administration
and you heard that Compolster on with Laura the other
day in Washington saying the president doesn't like him. And
you know, he was asked by Nigel Faraj about him
and he said he's not the brightest pulp. So you know,
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is there a Kevin problem with this? Because Joe Hockey
was able to secure these kind of things we know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know, well, the posters said, you know, we're going
to find someone that Donald Trump likes. I mean, I
didn't take me long to come up with a list,
and Kevin Rud's not on it. I mean, you've got
Anthony Pratt, You've got Gena Reinhart, You've got Joe Hockey,
You've got two golfers, Greg Norman and Adam Scott, who
actually Adam Scott has met with with the President because
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he went in there with Rory McElroy to try and
sort out the live PGA problem. So you know, maybe
maybe maybe Alba needs to ring up Paul Murray. Even
Paul Murray got a meeting with Donald Trump, so maybe
Paul could get him in there.
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Well, let's say he gets to a point where he
feels that Kevin isn't doing the job and he has
to replace him. That's going to be difficult. Kevin Ruds
a friend of his and he is not. More importantly,
perhaps he's not going to what to be seen to
be appointing ambassadors on the basis of the US telling
it us who should be ambassador, and that wouldn't look great.
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So it's a bit of a pickle, and what you
might find is perhaps Kevin Rudd departs. You know, this
is total speculation from me, by the way, but I
would have thought maybe a logical thing if there is
a problem there is get that first meeting out of
the way, and then Kevin walks off into the sunset,
and we get someone else if there is a genuine
problem there. Because Donald Trump's there for three more years,
there's no avoiding that at you know, well, that's that's
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the end of his term, but three years a long time.
I mean, it's the whole federal parliamentary term. We need
a relationship with our strongest ally, particularly when we're spending
three hundred and sixty eight billion dollars on submarines and
a deal that involves them.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, Kevin tried to run the U in while back
in got knocked back. But maybe we could have another
crack at that and get him a promotion into another
job and then slip someone in there who can deal
with Donald Trump. I mean, it's extraordinary. Good luck with
that on Friday when you ask him and he comes
out with the fake smile and the grid of teeth again.
Andrew Tonello is great to catch up with you, my friend.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Thanks a lot, good to see you against Steve.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Let's turn our attention to this weather event that's unfolding
off New South Wales. It's changing by the minute, changing
by the hour. The New South Wales coastline still being
lash tonight, heavy winds been problems at the airport. There's
evacuations on the central coast as I understand it, authorities
have warned that it could get worse. Let's go live
now to Crystal, who is in Woollongong, which of course
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is south of Sydney. Crystal, there's been some evacuation orders already.
Residents are being hit the hardest. I think that's up
on the central coast is that right.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
Central coasts Sydney and down south Hero and Wollongong. Steve,
as you can see behind me, huge droplets of rain.
It has stopped raining since last night and as our
meteorologist Rob Shark predicted, the weather system was set to
intensify this afternoon and into the evening and as you
can see behind me, strong when gusts, heavy rain the
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central coasts, they have been issued evacuation orders. The SEES
is warning of coastal erosions, so residents near the coast
have been told to evacuate. There's four emergency warnings there.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Travelers today have.
Speaker 11 (16:27):
Also been impacted by the wet weather system. As of
two pm today, twenty two flights coming out of Sydney
domestically have been canceled. Thirty two flights coming into Sydney
have been canceled. So many frustrated residents today uncertain about
when they will return home. This low coastal erosion expected
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to continue until Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I think there's been several thousand power outages as
well once that wind picks up. Obviously, we've had so
much rains that trees are falling onto power lines and
causing drama. So your best guests, I guess on when
this might ease up a bit or or People along
the coast set for a pretty rough night.
Speaker 11 (17:15):
The rain will certainly continue throughout the night and into
the morning until at least Thursday. As you mentioned before,
a large gum tree fell onto a power line north
of Sydney today, causing multiple power outages, particularly in the
Northern Beaches area. We've seen up to one hundred and
fifty millimeters of rain, wind gusts of up to one
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hundred and twenty five kilometers an hour, and that is
set to continue. The advice for residents, certainly here in
Willongong today is to stay inside. People have been told,
as you do, to not drive through flood waters and
do not travel unnecessarily tonight, Steve.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Good only Christal, You've been doing great job there today.
Thanks a lot, and we'll catch you again tomorrow. I
suspect now coming up after the break, even labor luminaries
like the ex Prime Minister Paul Keating are making noises
of alarm about Jim Charmer's superannuation tax changes. Plus the
landmark court case that found Islamic hate preacher with Sam
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Hadad breached racial hatred laws. I'll speak with one of
the applicants who took had On Hadad on in court
shortly welcome actually price in for Peter Kredlin. I'll get
onto that racial discrimination action in the federal court in
just a moment. But as the expression goes, a broken
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clock is right twice a day, and in this instance,
that broken clock turns out to be Paul Keating. Now,
Paul's come out to cast doubt, and it's rare that
I agree with anything Paul Keating says over Labour's super
tax plan, which he warns without indexation, which is what
sensible people are calling for, the plan will capture more
young people entering the workforce right today who will accumulate
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in excess of three million dollars at retirement. It's a
long way off, but he's right. Kidding's comments will put
to the Prime Minister this morning is what.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
If someone who starts work today, the average worker will
end up with three million dollars in super therefore having
their unrealized gains taxed.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, these are very modest changes discussed. I'm nowhere, we
are right, we are right. Well, good on you.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You stay on Paul, I'll stay on superannuation. But because
he's wrong, no, I'm talking about superannuation.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Peter's right, They're not modest changes. They're actually going to
tax unrealized gains. And it's not just the PM that's
causing headaches for labor. It's not just ex Paol Paul
Kidding PM causing headaches. A C t U Sefty selling McManus.
She also said this is going to have to be
indexed over time.
Speaker 12 (19:58):
I do think it's got to be in dext and
because you've got to make sure eventually people don't end
up there, but that's a very long time in the future.
I think that asking you know, those people not to
get you know, super isn't there to be a tax fraud.
It's here to make sure you've got a dignified retirement.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I've talked to former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl about
this before he's back with us. It's not often I
say this, you know about Paul Keating, but he's right
in this instance. His need to say, unrealized gains indexation
are the two things that you need to look at
and potentially change in this legislation.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Hi, Steve, thanks for having me on here.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Is right.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
Keating was the father of superannuation, as you know, and
I think he rightly sees that this ill conceived tax
is a threat to the integrity and public confidence in
the future of the superannuation system.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Extraordinarily. I mean, you know, Paul Keating, you would think
would back the government, you'd Anthony Alberinezi speaks to him.
But why does Jim Charmers and the Prime Minister. Are
they so desperate for money, David that they simply refused
to change this or are they running it right up
to the line and then at the last minute they're
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going to either cave on indexation or an unrealized gains
or both.
Speaker 13 (21:23):
Well, I'm not sure that the Prime Minister's on board
with his proposal. I suspect he's defending his Treasurer Jim Charmers.
It seems to me Steve is completely isolated on this.
Paul Keating opposes it. Even the Greens are proposing that
this be indexed. Sallly McManus is saying this should be indexed,
and Bill Kelty opposes it as well. I suspect many
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members of Jim Charmer's caucus think it's a terrible idea
as well. So this is being set up as a
potential for for Jim Charmers, and I think what the
Prime Minister has to do is show real leadership and
at some point put his Treasurer out of his misery.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
One of the things that worries me about this, David,
is that Labor have got to deal with the Greens
to get anything through the Senate. In fact, they can
pass anything they want through the Senate if the Greens agree. Now,
the Greens want the level of where this doubling of
the tax from fifteen to thirty percent kicks in brought
down to two million. I mean, if Charmers agree with
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the Greens to do that, and then he gets his
way on unrealized gains and indexation, that's even worse for Australians.
That's where we could end up.
Speaker 13 (22:35):
That's where we could end up. This tax was seen
by Jim Chalmers and his captive Treasury department has soaked
the rich exercise. Treasury has a visceral resentment towards self
managed super funds. When I was a Treasury employer and
I was in the department for over twenty years, I
always saw it and I could never quite understand it.
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There's nothing wrong with somebody managing their own superannuation fund.
There we have it, and Paul Keating has correctly seen
this as a threat to public confidence and superannuation system.
It's not a tax just that will apply to the
so called rich Steve. It's going to apply to the many.
As Paul Keating pointed out, a young person entering the
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workforce today, earning no more than average wages over their
lifetime will have accumulated more than three million dollars of saving.
So it's a tax that will ultimately affect the many,
not the few.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And eventually Keating got his way because your compulsory taxation
level on your salary hit twelve percent today July one.
So younger people are in SUPER. You know, I was
a way journal before superstarted. It's now twelve percent. They
will get to three million if you're in a workforce
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at twenty hour and you're putting twelve percent of your salary.
And I must say, David again, I was staggered today
listening to talk about radio how ignorant a lot of
people are about what SUPER is, whether they're paying it
on top of their salary package, or whether the salary sacrificing.
Still people don't understand it. But we're now at twelve percent.
That's a substantial saving which is forced upon people by law.
Speaker 13 (24:14):
It is for savings, and I'm not comfortable any compulsion
in our system. I think people are sensible enough to
provision for their own retirement. I think it's a scandal
that we have twelve percent of people's incomes controlled by
union dominated funds with employee employer representatives as well the
funds and the commission, the fees and the commissions that
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these funds charge are exorbitant, and there doesn't seem to
be any accountability. So I think it's remarkable. Can I
just say something about Sally McManus. I think it's wonderful
that she's drawing attention to the bracket creep inherent in
Jim Chalmer's superneration proposal when she calls for this three
million dollars to be index Why doesn't she do the
same with the non indexation of our personal tax scales.
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Millions of union members in Australia and everybody else is
hit by bracket creep every year as they're pushed further
into higher tax brackets, and Salim mcmanuson the union movement,
who supposedly represent the interests of workers who work hard
through the Fair Work Commission to get higher wages, are
quite happy to see Canberra skim off those through bracket creep.
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I just think it's a scandal that she's silent about
a far bigger tax impost working people.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That's an excellent point. A big anniversary today. Did you
have a celebratory lunch? July two thousand, we suddenly introduced
the GST. It's been twenty five years. Who would have thought,
seems like it's been there forever.
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Well, it's quite interesting because I remember the Labor Party
opposing tooth and nail bringing in the GST. And of
course the GST was a new tax, and that's never welcome,
but people forget that it paid for at least help
pay for massive personal in hume tax cuts. It was
genuine and tax reform was a shift from taxing incomes
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and savings to taxing consumption, which is what all economists,
which is what Treasury traditionally has supported. The Labor Party
opposed it until it became part of our system, and
now they're in favor of it. So the point I'd
make Steve and to your listeners is that owing to
Bracker creep, those big personal income tax cuts that came
with the GST have been eroded away. We now rely
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on income tax to raise almost fifty percent of all
the revenue Howard brought it down when he introduced the GST.
It's all been e roaded away. So we're back where
we were with a GST and income tax burdens that
date back from before the GST was introduced. The taxpayer
losers either.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Way, of course, we do excellent points, David, thank you
to joining us again. I'll see you soon. Now to
that landmark federal called ruling today and now people have
been watching this with a huge interest. It found that
Muslim cleric we Sam had had had breached the Racial
Discrimination Act, simple as that he delivered sermons that included
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quote fundamentally racist and anti Semitic statements about Jewish people.
That's from the judge. In these sermons, mister Haddad described
Jews as quote wicked, scheming and descendants of apes and pigs,
just as Anger Stewart was adamant in this finding, Proceedings
were launched against mister Haddad by the Executive Council of
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Australian Jury. Deputy President Robert Goot joins me. Now, I
saw you outside the court today with Peter Worththime. I
thought you both explained the reason why you took this
action and how pleased you were with the outcome today.
I thought you explained it excellently. How do you feel
about it? A few hours later?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Thanks Steve. We still feel very very much vindicated that
we took the action. Steve, you know that immediately after
October seven, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Jews.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
Within days, Jews were vilified, including by the hate preacher
mister Hadad, and nothing happened. We had hoped that the
authorities would take action under the then existing laws to
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protect the Jewish community from this hate speech. They did not,
and so we decided we would do it, and the
only avenue that we could proceed under was the Racial
Discrimination Act. We did so. We did so with the
view of protecting the community, keeping them safe and safeguarding
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there and promoting their honor and integrity. And we were
vidicated today by honor in the judgment which, as you
have said, found that mister described mister Haddud's speeches as
fundamentally racist and anti Semitic, and that they they were
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profoundly offensive and of course unlawful. So we are well
satisfied that in taking the action we were vindicated, and
hopefully people vilifying any group on the basis of their
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religion or ethnic background, such as the Jewish community of Australia,
will not be able to do so with impunity.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Again, Robert, as you know here on Sky we have
been very strong in our defense of this a Jewish
community and very critical of the rise of anti Semitism,
which should worry all of us in hindsight. How let
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down do you feel about what the police and the
politicians did in regard to Hadad and forcing you to
have to find the money to go to court and
actually go through the court process.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Well, it's not so much, Steve, a matter of what
they did. It's a matter of what they did not do.
There was no attempt, as far as we know anywhere
in any Australian jurisdiction to bring to book or to
attempt to bring to book any of the individuals, including Hadad,
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who had egregiously vilified the Jewish community from the eighth
of October onwards and continue to do so. We felt
let down. We weren't expecting that they would necessarily win
a case, but we felt that they had no reason
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not to attempt to test their laws, because otherwise the
laws are a dead letter. Of course, since that time
the laws have been amended in Victoria, in New South
Wales and at the Commonwealth level, but again they haven't
been utilized for any hate speech offenses.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Hadads lawyer set out outside the court that his clients
sermons were never intended to insult any group in Australia
based on their ethnic identity. Do you obviously disagree with that?
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Yes, that's a nonsense. Firstly, it was one just has
to read the speeches which are reproduced in the judgment
of course, to realize that that is just nonsense. And
then there is this apparent distinction between ethnic Jews and
Jews of faith which mister Haddud seeks to rely on.
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No such distinction was to be found in any of
the speeches. And more importantly, the judge rejected that entire proposition,
and he did so because mister Haddud's own expert on
the religion of Islam did not support that proposition. As
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the judge noted, Scheh Ibrahim, who was the expert called
by mister hadd said that quote Islam does not encourage
hatred towards Jews, I mean the direct opposite of that
which mister Hadud was trying to explain away. After the decision,
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well done on your court victory.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It was something that needed to be done. And congratulations
to you and the Australian Council of Jury for going
through that court process. Robert Goot, appreciate your time. Thank
you very much for making yourself available tonight coming up
after the break. How complicit has the West become? Speaking
of anti Semitism, ugly hate, fuel chance ringing out at
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one of the world's most popular music festivals, and plus
salty language for the Victorian Premier this week? So why
are more politicians swearing to make their point? The panel
of join us shortly welcome back to the Price with
you all week, filling in for Peter Kredlin. We'll have
our panel up shortly. The more you see the audience
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hysteria at that Glastonbury Music Festival in the UK, all
of this chanting death to the IDF, I think the
more disturbing it is when you first saw it. I mean,
you could argue that it was a bunch of watered
and probably over drugged youngsters sucked into some no name
rapper's idea of a protest, but it was a lot
more than that. I think you can't ignore the fact
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that the message was intended to rally the call for
the death of Jewish soldiers. Now, of course, some of
the biggest music festivals in the world have undoubtedly been
used as platforms for political statements right through history, all
the way back to the nineteen sixties, probably earlier, but
it could certainly be argued that this is the first
time such direct hatred has been trumpeted from a stage
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and echoed by an audience. It begs the question and
a number of questions, not just around accountability, but whether
the West is becoming complicit in the rising tide of
anti Semitism. I know that's a hard question to ask.
Joining me now to discuss this issue, Author commentator Anscote,
News contributor An Hersey Ali, good to see you again.
You've written about this in a piece for Courage Media.
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You argue that culture, true cohesion is at risk, and
that a chat like this so willingly from a chance,
I should say, from thousands of music revelers, is really
a warning. Can you dig down into that and explain that?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
For me?
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Sadly, I have to say it is becoming mainstream. I
said it a few months ago. Hatred against Jews is
being means streamed. It is being used as a you know,
Zionism and Israel and this and that. But if you
look at if you watch very closely what you're seeing,
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don't focus on the rapper or the artist, look at
the audience. The audience is shared by this. The blood
label against Jews is off, like off the charts. Things
we weren't allowed to think or say thirty years ago,
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twenty years ago are now being openly celebrated. It's the BBC. Gosh,
I grew up with the BBC. I thought the BBC
used to be sort of the source of old truth.
And that's what's the brand the BBC is for most
of the world is this is the source of old truth.
(36:23):
And they're channeling anti Semitism. And so I think, I
think we have a problem. And I'm you asked me, like,
can you explain this to us? And it is we
have mainstreamed hatred against Jews. We have mainstreamed antisemitism. It
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is now mainstream and we need to get we need
to reckon with that. How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Well, and I mean since October seven, I mean on
October right on the steps of the Sydney Opera House,
one of the most famous buildings in the world. You
had people there chanting, you know if the Jews. Some
people suggest there was gas. The Jews said as well,
and so it started from there, and like in the UK,
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in every major capital city of Australia, almost every weekend
since you've had people marching through the streets of these
cities carrying Palestinian flags and giving support to people like Hamas.
And now you know, we shouldn't be surprised. I suppose
that it ends up at a music festival like that,
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it's shocking, but after what twenty more or more months,
it shouldn't surprise us, should it.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It should alarm us, it should appall us. October seven,
twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Look, it was.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
A music festival. These were kids were celebrating, and I
think most of them are actually peace necks. Most of
the victims of October seven were peace necks. And here
we have, like every summer, we have these festivals. I think,
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I hate to say this to you, but if Hamas
were to be released into Glastonbury, the kids who were
shouting what they were shouting would be slaughtered. Okay, the
women would be raped. They would make no excuses for
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grandmothers or young people. This is what you would see.
And here is the horror of it all is that
it is in Glastonbury. Someone told me you have to
pay four hundred pounds to get into Alassenburg. So this
is middle class, upper middle class British people, and this
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is what they're listening to, and this is what they're
all about, and they don't have what Israel has, which
is what Israel has is kill the IDEF, Kill the IDF.
The IDF is a military that understands the problem that
it's faced with. But Britain, Australia, Canada, the United States,
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we don't understand these people. My whole life has been
about trying to make you understand about what is going on.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Today.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
It is about the Jews. Tomorrow it's about you. Okay,
this guy who's shouting kill, kill the IDF is going
to kill, kill the white people, kill, kill Christianity, kill,
kill women. It's all happening. I'm sorry. I wish I
had better news for you, but this is what's happening.
(40:01):
And we have mainstream. If we mainstream hatred against Jews,
we mainstream hatred against ourselves, against Western civilization, because Western
civilization is based on the Judeo Christian principles and this
is what we are up against. It is not gosh,
(40:23):
how do I say this. It's not against human beings
against other human beings, obviously we all know that, but
it is it's a way of life versus a way
of life, a story versus a story. The story we're
facing today is the story of destruction, the story of killing,
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the story of eliminating people. That story is mainstream in
Britain and Europe, in America. Okay, that's my takeaway from Glastonbury.
You have young people who went to there to revel
and two years ago there were young people were reveling
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in the Nova Festival.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
They were absolutely right. Your assessment is one hundred percent correct.
D thank you as usual for your assessment. It's brilliant.
I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Coming up
as a Victorian teachers rally for a pay rise staggered
over three years just to get on par with other states,
other teachers around the country. The premier to center allan
or she becomes the highest paid premier in the country,
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pulling in more than half a million dollars a year.
Our panel, we'll discuss that up next. Welcome bad More
of words is erupted between two of Australia's largest states,
Queensland and Victoria, about the distribution of GST. Every year
we have these argument between the states. The Victorian premier,
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the overpaid Premier of Victoria is now on over five
hundred thousand dollars a year branding comments by Queensland Treasurer
David Jensky quote complete bull dust. Now I've softened the
language there, but issues.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Let me put it in language in a way that
the coins line Treasurer can understand.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
It's just pulled right, swearing a well here to discuss IPO.
Senior fellow and chief economist Adam Crichton and Scone should
contribute to Terry balms. Gentlemen, Welcome to you both. Adam,
what's it with senior politicians swear? I mean, well, Donald
Trump did it.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Well.
Speaker 14 (42:30):
Look, I think it's actually helped Donald Trump's favorability ratings.
I understand, and I understand that.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I think occasionally it can.
Speaker 14 (42:37):
Work when the politician feels very strongly about a particularly
important issue, and I think that's that was certaificase with
Donald Trump. Whether it's justified in the case of GST
is another question, but you know, to the Treasurer and
the Premier's defense, the GST carve up is a very
big issue. It's talking about billions of dollars here. The
question of whether Victoria is justified in you know, in
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basically receiving millians more. I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 14 (43:02):
The problem with the current, the current carve up and
I side with the with the Queensland.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
The problem with well based on population.
Speaker 14 (43:10):
No, No, it's certainly not. There's an extremely complicated formula
that you know, you're basically need a PhD to understand.
And and the reality is that states like Victoria benefit
from not using their resource their resources. So so all
the gas reserves in Victoria are basically sealed up. And
so that's why there there's a greater transfer from Queensland
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to Victoria because Queensland is using its coal reserves and
there's been a boom in various royalties for coal, and
so the federal government is wisdom says, oh, well, we
need to transfer money to Victoria. And so I understand
the anger of the Queensland government and there needs to
be a change in the formula.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (43:44):
And what I would recommend the Queensland government is they
should do a review and whether or not they should
turn off the interconnector basically for electricity between Queensland and
the Southern States.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That would that would that would scare.
Speaker 14 (43:57):
The Southern States a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
And I'd never think quite an argument about how the
mining royalties on gas because the gas is locked away,
we just then ask the federal government for more money
and don't lie on mining ruleis I mean, we've got
the worst debt in the country by a million miles.
WA has got a budget suitlus because it gets all
the mining royal.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
That's right, and it's the most inefficient and incompetent government
the country as well as look at look at all
the boondoggle projects that they're trying to actually pay for
over budget and over time. I like the suburban railroap
for instance, Why should Queensland, Why should anybody outside Victoria
have to subsidize that's of stupidity.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Ste Well, they shouldn't. And I mean that's a really
good argument because people into state A that wouldn't know
what the suburban rail loop is. B they would never
use it. I mean, forget about people in the state.
People in regional Victoria are never going to use it.
Now it's do I want to go from children to box?
Speaker 14 (44:49):
Of course, it's about you know, it's about creating highways,
jobs for CFMAU workers. That's what it's about. Because this
state that we're currently sitting in is you know, it's
basically corrupt and it's run by the CFMAU and.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Program is about and you know, I drive past one
of those suburban rail construction zones in the southeast and
all the cranes have got CFMAU flags flying flags.
Speaker 14 (45:09):
They black flags, they're pirate flags, They're pirate flags.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Basically, speaking of Victoria, the truth telling process that's ended
up in division, You've got this thing called the europ
Justice Commission refusing to endorse the findings in a final report.
This is a big split. But Terry, yesterday we had
the news broken that Cindra Allen is quite determined to
go ahead with establishing a Voice to the Victorian Parliament,
even though fifty six percent of Victorians said we don't
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know to the voice referendum.
Speaker 8 (45:38):
Look, this is the state of Daniel Andrews, isn't it, Steve.
I mean, basically democracy went out the window in twenty twenty.
It hasn't come back yet. But when it comes to
this Victorian Voice, I mean, yeah, she's disregarding the will
of the people. She's disregarding consulting with the people. Oh,
she's consulting with a few activists. This europe Truth Commission
is basically the truth of those activists. It's not necessarily
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the truth of Victorian Aboriginal people in general. And now
they're tossing about words like genocide and all sorts of things,
and they seem to be split. But I don't know
from what we're hearing whether they're split between oh, you've
got going over the top or you're not going over
the top enough. But the bottom line is activists have
their own minds, their own interpretation the view of the world.
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But ordinary people, ordinary Victorians, just don't deserve this. And
to have another like a bastard child plunked into our constitution,
I just think is beyond the payoff.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
You've got thirty three people at him sitting on an
Aboriginal forum that are elected every three years. They're being
paid each over one hundred thousand dollars. That's thirty three
people just to sit around and meet. And then you've
got a document that was drawn up by Daniel Andrews
that he's funded with sixty five million dollars for people
(46:55):
to talk about the truth. I mean, there's a bloke
who marched from Portland to Melbourn some of the comments
that he made when he reached the parliament House in Melbourne,
which he's talking about rivers running red with blood.
Speaker 14 (47:08):
But you know what I would say to be optimistic,
this is an incredible opportunity for the opposition here in
this state. Why are they not seizing on this?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
How they done it?
Speaker 14 (47:16):
If they but it was somewhat modest. I mean, the
opposition leader should be out there very aggressive on this
saying that we are not going to put up for
this sort of division because of the voice referendum. We
have the votes, we have the numbers, but it's just
not strong enough because they're too distracted by their own
internal squabbling as we know. But you know, the positive
lining is that if there's going to be a change
of government in this state, you know, it's it's stupid
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actions like this from labor in this state that that
could end government to the coalition.
Speaker 8 (47:42):
If they can take actually take it up, if they
have the guts to do it.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So we read all this and then we find out
today that Cindra Allen's the most highly paid premiere in
the country. She's on five hundred and thirteen thousand dollars
with a sixty five thousand dollars on top of that,
you know for other things, cars offices.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Well it's a lot more than that.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
This.
Speaker 14 (48:01):
Premiers don't pay for their lunches and their dinners. They
pay none of their running costs. So it's probably more
like seven hundred thousand dollars if we're being honest. But look,
it's a difficult issue because the Premier Victoria is an
important role. You want to attract the right people and
so forth. I think it's probably well, I certainly have it,
and that is a very good point. But the fact
that she's earning probably the equivalent of the US presidents
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must raise some questions.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Well, she's the second highest paid politician in the country
after the prom.
Speaker 14 (48:28):
She certainly earns more than the British Prime Minister, much much.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
More, which is ridiculous. I mean, seriously, thank you both
for coming. Appreciate it very much.
Speaker 14 (48:36):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I'll be back for Peter Kreedlin again tomorrow night. Coming
up next, James McPherson is filling in for Andrew Bolt
and I'm going to have a very special guest, I
hope on the program tomorrow night to talk about how
to get a meeting with Donald Trump.
Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
to Creedlin. Steve Price sitting in for Peter all this week.
Here's what's coming up on the program tonight. Australia's relationship
with the United States, Well, you've got to say it
goes from bad to worse. Foreign Minister Penny Wong, she's
in Washington to meet her US counterpart, Marco Rubio. But
(00:24):
ken she and Kevin Rudd, our ambassador, get the PM
face to face with Donald Trump. Andrew Clannel with an
update on all of that. Shortly. Still on politics, the
government stubborn refusal to back down at all on changes
to superannuation even has Paul Keating complaining. David Pearl, ex
Treasury will tell us what might happen next with that legislation,
(00:46):
and I'll take you to the UK where the antisemitic
Rapper disgrace at Glastonbury is still playing out today. And
guess who's the highest paid state premier in Australia after
a recent pay rise. No, it's not WA's Roger Cook
and his mining royalty driven budget surplus. It's not even
South Australia's widely popular, Peter melanowskis Nope, it is victorious,
(01:08):
just Siner Allen on five hundred and thirteen thousand dollars
a year. I'll get our panel reaction to that, and
I'll also find out what is the latest with this
brutal weather pattern that is striking the east coast of Australia,
particularly on the central coast of New South Wales. But
first up tonight, what about the perfect example of self
(01:28):
delusion from our Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi on Sky News
Today with Peter Stefanovic. When do you expect to sit
down with Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh, when we have a meeting. We'll have a meeting.
And when it's scheduled that will occur. We'll see each
other a lot in the last months of the year.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
That's when summit season occurs.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
For God's sake, when we have a meeting, we'll have
a meeting. I mean, thanks for telling us that. The
Prime Minister even called us, being Australia a significant player
in keeping the peace in our region.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Have a look Australia, doesn't you know? Just be passive here.
Australia always pulls our weight and as I as the
Australian Prime Minister. I'll talk up our contribution because we
are significant allies where significant players in delivering peace and
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security in our region.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Sadly, the blood goes from worse to worse to worse.
I can't believe it, as I said, delusional a peacekeeper.
He calls Australia with what exactly a busted navy, no defense,
attack drones, a compromised air force and an ADF where
morale is at an all time low. I guess if
you keep telling yourself something long enough, and you keep
repeating it over and over and over publicly, you end
(02:53):
up believing it. I can only presume defense chiefs are
repeating this mantra to the Prime Minister because at the
end of the day, you don't want to admit the
historical mistakes that you have made leading defense that's led
us to where we are right now.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Australia could have, as Tony Abbott suggested, brought conventional submarines
off the shelf from the Japanese, but no, the government
decided not to do that. We had the French Deal
and we walked out on that as well, instead signing Orcust,
which means many of us won't live to see the
nuclear attack hubs even in the ocean in our naval colors.
I mean, how many defense white papers and reviews do
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we need? How many of the late Jim Molean warnings
do we need about how we can't defend ourselves? How
many times do we have to be told we only
have a month or so of stored petrol, no reserves
of oil. I mean, seriously, I mean, we are kidding ourselves.
And the dangerous mood that is settled over camera seems
to be well, don't worry. If we really get in trouble,
the Americans will come over, riding over the horizon and
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save us as they normally do. But the big question
now is will they with this president? Who knows? Which
brings me to ambassad the Kevin Rudd. What a mistake
that appointment was, And it was made by Anthony Albanezi
because their mates. Sky's Laura Jays is in Washington this week.
She had a Republican polster by the name of Brent
Buchanan on her morning show yesterday. Here is what he
(04:16):
told Laura about the non relationship between Kevin Rudd and
the White House.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Donald Trump needs to find an Australian that he likes,
or Australia needs to find an Australian that Donald Trump
likes and let that person take point. Because so much
with Donald Trump is personal relationship.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Do you think this is personal He simply doesn't know
Anthony Albanezi or he doesn't like him.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think he doesn't like the current ambassador and that's
one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Really, he doesn't like him. I mean, clearly Ruds not
the bloke for this job. I mean, here's a couple
of people. I mean we talk about find someone Donald
Trump likes who's Australian and get them involved here. Well,
here's a couple of people that Prime Minister should start
by recruiting the busy cardboard king and billionaire Anthony Pratt,
number one millionaire Gina Reinhart, current and former golfers like
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Adam Scott and Greg Norman who both have relationships with
Donald Trump. Or suck up your pride and Anthony and
go back to former Ambassador Joe Hockey or even former
Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Now the PM won't do this,
of course, but he seriously needs a circuit breaker here
and that is not Kevin Rudd Still on politics, Let's
(05:28):
head to Camberra Now for tonight's political headlines with Skotte
News reporter Rubinspago.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
A union boss, as the latest to join growing calls
for changes to Labour's contentious superannuation plan. He will double
the tax on earnings for balances more than three million
dollars and applies to unrealized capital gains. ACTU Secretary Salliam
McManus believes it should be indexed to reduce the number
of people course in the net over their working life.
(05:56):
Former Prime Minister Paul Keating is also weighing in. He
claims Labour's plan will affect more Australians than originally forecast.
The Prime Minister is defending his plans.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Very modest changes discussed. We are right, we are right. Well,
good on you. You stay on, Paul, I'll stay on superannuation.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But because he's wrong, no.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I'm talking about superannuation.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Members of the government have flagged that the thresholds would
likely be changed in the future. Labor will have an
easier time passing laws when Parliament returns in a little
under three weeks. It's due to the new makeup of
the Senate, which formally began today. There are seventy six
seats in the Senate and thirty nine are required to
(06:46):
pass legislation. At the end of the last parliament, Labour
held twenty six seats, meaning they needed support from thirteen
crossbenches to pass anything giving significance way to independence. Helped
by the defection of Into Cocks, Labour's numbers have grown
to twenty nine. It means the government can now pass
bills with the support of the Greens alone.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Staying on the politics, joining me now, Sky's political editor
Andrew Clanel this saga, Andrew. I mean, the only way
it's going to end is when Donald Trump picks up
the phone and says, right and make come and see me.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
And that'll happen, I think. But until it does, it's
really uncomfortable, isn't it. I'm almost cringe while I'm watching it. Steve,
to be honest with you, the breakfast hosts, all four
of them, are asking him about it this morning. Here
he is, the PMS trying to say, on July one,
you get energy rebates, you get more super compulsory super
you get wage increases, and all that they want to
(07:44):
ask him about is this meeting with Trump, because it's
a fair question.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
The thing that really kicks it off more is that
after Donald Trump hat had to lead the G seven
early understandably and couldn't meet Anthony Albanez. He had phone
comations with other leaders, but not alb and easy and
you do, sort of as an observer then go, well,
what's the problem he is, Kevin Rudd, The problem is
(08:10):
defense spending. The problem. It opens itself up to all
sorts of speculation. And I'm sure once he has those
meetings with Trump, we won't have that anymore. But it
looks like a couple of months before that occurs, so
that's pretty uncomfortable here. He is, he's won this swinging victory,
so many seats he won, but yet he's got an
issue with one of the very things he kind of
(08:31):
campaigned on as sort of a case of be careful
what you reap when you sew in terms of he
went to the election with that. You know, I'm not Trump.
Duttnears and now he needs to see Trump for Australias
in Australia's interest. So we've got the Quad meeting in
India in September. That's a no Brainer for the fact
they'll probably meet there right, hopefully they'll have a bilat
(08:54):
as opposed to just the meeting of four. Then he
said the PM that he wants to go the UN
gen or Assembly and address them or so in September.
So I could see that becoming one trip. But I
don't think there's any point him going to the UN
unless he's going to the White House, right, So they
need to lock that in, and Kevin Rudd's job is
(09:15):
to lock that in. We've now got Petty Wong over
there trying to make it happen, it seems. Then you've
got the G twenty and Apex Well, who knows how
long Donald Trump's going to go there for having just
been to the G seven with the PM. He likes
to just meet a couple of leaders he thinks are
important and leave, and we saw that with his visit
to NATO as well. He doesn't like to spend a
(09:35):
lot of time at the summits Donald Trump. So that's
where we've got our reshure, I think, Steve, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Think anyone wants to spend too much time at summits.
We'll get on to Kevin. My friend Kevin in a moment.
Just let's have a look at a grab where you
refer to the TV breakfast shows and the way the
Prime Minister his mood is really cranky when this comes up.
Have a look. Are you just kind of morning that
(10:03):
kicking yourself and not getting on that plane to Washington
to meet Trump earlier?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not at all, Nat, I've had my priorities right.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
The president was actually elected last November. You've had plenty
of time before our own election to actually visit him.
Are you now looking at this and thinking it was
a mistake to leave it this late?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
No, a little bit embarrassing. Hasn't that pretty simple question?
Speaker 9 (10:30):
When are you going to meet the Donald?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Not at all? Look where we'll meet when we meet
in coming months.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
We tries to laugh at off Andrew, but a minute,
it is become increasingly embarrassing. I mean, those shows have
got reasonable audiences, and so the Australian public, who were
probably never engaged in this sort of thing, don't really
understand why it's so important to meet Donald Trump. Now
go well, heck, come, Donald Trump, who you know won
a substantial majority in the election in the United States,
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Why doesn't he want to see our prime Minister, aren't
the Americans our friends? I mean, it starts to get
down into those sort of weeds, doesn't it. Well, it's just.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Gritted teeth you see there. I mean, I'll bet you're
sorry he put his name up for those interviews because
how how they do them? The pms and the other
pms do it this way as well. They go, right,
we're doing all the TVs in the morning, get that
message out there and be fired everyone, which is good,
and we'll go seven forty five this station, eight PM,
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eight fifteen, eight point thirty and usually we're on the
roster of that. So if you think about his experience
through them, he's just done back to backs four of
them on TV and the very first question just about
every time, and a persistent line of questioning is on
the Trump Mate. That's not what he got up for,
but that's what he got.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Well that he did.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I suspect the F word that Donald Trump used
last week might have been used by the Prime Minister
when he got offers TV interviews this morning and walk
back into his office to his advisor and said, we're
doing this.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
For well, you don't know what the if you're doing,
like Donald Trump now I've got an interview at the PM.
I'm looking forward to it actually on Friday for Hour
and Sydney. So I just have to follow up all them.
And you know, I mean, the thing is, the funny
thing for me was that he has like he had
the right smile for Breakfast TV, but it was a
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gritted teeth smile. Because it's like, why you guys are
about this. I get the meeting when I get the meeting,
all right. The trouble is that, for the reasons you
just said earlier, that doesn't seem to be acceptable to people.
So it's a tricky one. And I do wonder about Kevin,
if Kevin's if Kevin, you know, Kevin might not be
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an impediment, but if we're looking for is there an impediment?
And you look at Rudd's previous comments about the administration
and you heard that Compolster on with Laura the other
day in Washington saying the president doesn't like him. And
you know, he was asked by Nigel Faraj about him
and he said he's not the brightest pulp. So you know,
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is there a Kevin problem with this? Because Joe Hockey
was able to secure these kind of things we know that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know, well, the posters said, you know, we're going
to find someone that Donald Trump likes. I mean, I
didn't take me long to come up with a list,
and Kevin Rud's not on it. I mean, you've got
Anthony Pratt, You've got Gena Reinhart, You've got Joe Hockey,
You've got two golfers, Greg Norman and Adam Scott, who
actually Adam Scott has met with with the President because
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he went in there with Rory McElroy to try and
sort out the live PGA problem. So you know, maybe
maybe maybe Alba needs to ring up Paul Murray. Even
Paul Murray got a meeting with Donald Trump, so maybe
Paul could get him in there.
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Well, let's say he gets to a point where he
feels that Kevin isn't doing the job and he has
to replace him. That's going to be difficult. Kevin Ruds
a friend of his and he is not. More importantly,
perhaps he's not going to what to be seen to
be appointing ambassadors on the basis of the US telling
it us who should be ambassador, and that wouldn't look great.
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So it's a bit of a pickle, and what you
might find is perhaps Kevin Rudd departs. You know, this
is total speculation from me, by the way, but I
would have thought maybe a logical thing if there is
a problem there is get that first meeting out of
the way, and then Kevin walks off into the sunset,
and we get someone else if there is a genuine
problem there. Because Donald Trump's there for three more years,
there's no avoiding that at you know, well, that's that's
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the end of his term, but three years a long time.
I mean, it's the whole federal parliamentary term. We need
a relationship with our strongest ally, particularly when we're spending
three hundred and sixty eight billion dollars on submarines and
a deal that involves them.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, Kevin tried to run the U in while back
in got knocked back. But maybe we could have another
crack at that and get him a promotion into another
job and then slip someone in there who can deal
with Donald Trump. I mean, it's extraordinary. Good luck with
that on Friday when you ask him and he comes
out with the fake smile and the grid of teeth again.
Andrew Tonello is great to catch up with you, my friend.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Thanks a lot, good to see you against Steve.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Let's turn our attention to this weather event that's unfolding
off New South Wales. It's changing by the minute, changing
by the hour. The New South Wales coastline still being
lash tonight, heavy winds been problems at the airport. There's
evacuations on the central coast as I understand it, authorities
have warned that it could get worse. Let's go live
now to Crystal, who is in Woollongong, which of course
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is south of Sydney. Crystal, there's been some evacuation orders already.
Residents are being hit the hardest. I think that's up
on the central coast is that right.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
Central coasts Sydney and down south Hero and Wollongong. Steve,
as you can see behind me, huge droplets of rain.
It has stopped raining since last night and as our
meteorologist Rob Shark predicted, the weather system was set to
intensify this afternoon and into the evening and as you
can see behind me, strong when gusts, heavy rain the
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central coasts, they have been issued evacuation orders. The SEES
is warning of coastal erosions, so residents near the coast
have been told to evacuate. There's four emergency warnings there.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Travelers today have.
Speaker 11 (16:27):
Also been impacted by the wet weather system. As of
two pm today, twenty two flights coming out of Sydney
domestically have been canceled. Thirty two flights coming into Sydney
have been canceled. So many frustrated residents today uncertain about
when they will return home. This low coastal erosion expected
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to continue until Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I think there's been several thousand power outages as
well once that wind picks up. Obviously, we've had so
much rains that trees are falling onto power lines and
causing drama. So your best guests, I guess on when
this might ease up a bit or or People along
the coast set for a pretty rough night.
Speaker 11 (17:15):
The rain will certainly continue throughout the night and into
the morning until at least Thursday. As you mentioned before,
a large gum tree fell onto a power line north
of Sydney today, causing multiple power outages, particularly in the
Northern Beaches area. We've seen up to one hundred and
fifty millimeters of rain, wind gusts of up to one
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hundred and twenty five kilometers an hour, and that is
set to continue. The advice for residents, certainly here in
Willongong today is to stay inside. People have been told,
as you do, to not drive through flood waters and
do not travel unnecessarily tonight, Steve.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Good only Christal, You've been doing great job there today.
Thanks a lot, and we'll catch you again tomorrow. I
suspect now coming up after the break, even labor luminaries
like the ex Prime Minister Paul Keating are making noises
of alarm about Jim Charmer's superannuation tax changes. Plus the
landmark court case that found Islamic hate preacher with Sam
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Hadad breached racial hatred laws. I'll speak with one of
the applicants who took had On Hadad on in court
shortly welcome actually price in for Peter Kredlin. I'll get
onto that racial discrimination action in the federal court in
just a moment. But as the expression goes, a broken
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clock is right twice a day, and in this instance,
that broken clock turns out to be Paul Keating. Now,
Paul's come out to cast doubt, and it's rare that
I agree with anything Paul Keating says over Labour's super
tax plan, which he warns without indexation, which is what
sensible people are calling for, the plan will capture more
young people entering the workforce right today who will accumulate
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in excess of three million dollars at retirement. It's a
long way off, but he's right. Kidding's comments will put
to the Prime Minister this morning is what.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
If someone who starts work today, the average worker will
end up with three million dollars in super therefore having
their unrealized gains taxed.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, these are very modest changes discussed. I'm nowhere, we
are right, we are right. Well, good on you.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You stay on Paul, I'll stay on superannuation. But because
he's wrong, no, I'm talking about superannuation.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Peter's right, They're not modest changes. They're actually going to
tax unrealized gains. And it's not just the PM that's
causing headaches for labor. It's not just ex Paol Paul
Kidding PM causing headaches. A C t U Sefty selling McManus.
She also said this is going to have to be
indexed over time.
Speaker 12 (19:58):
I do think it's got to be in dext and
because you've got to make sure eventually people don't end
up there, but that's a very long time in the future.
I think that asking you know, those people not to
get you know, super isn't there to be a tax fraud.
It's here to make sure you've got a dignified retirement.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I've talked to former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl about
this before he's back with us. It's not often I
say this, you know about Paul Keating, but he's right
in this instance. His need to say, unrealized gains indexation
are the two things that you need to look at
and potentially change in this legislation.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Hi, Steve, thanks for having me on here.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Is right.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
Keating was the father of superannuation, as you know, and
I think he rightly sees that this ill conceived tax
is a threat to the integrity and public confidence in
the future of the superannuation system.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Extraordinarily. I mean, you know, Paul Keating, you would think
would back the government, you'd Anthony Alberinezi speaks to him.
But why does Jim Charmers and the Prime Minister. Are
they so desperate for money, David that they simply refused
to change this or are they running it right up
to the line and then at the last minute they're
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going to either cave on indexation or an unrealized gains
or both.
Speaker 13 (21:23):
Well, I'm not sure that the Prime Minister's on board
with his proposal. I suspect he's defending his Treasurer Jim Charmers.
It seems to me Steve is completely isolated on this.
Paul Keating opposes it. Even the Greens are proposing that
this be indexed. Sallly McManus is saying this should be indexed,
and Bill Kelty opposes it as well. I suspect many
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members of Jim Charmer's caucus think it's a terrible idea
as well. So this is being set up as a
potential for for Jim Charmers, and I think what the
Prime Minister has to do is show real leadership and
at some point put his Treasurer out of his misery.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
One of the things that worries me about this, David,
is that Labor have got to deal with the Greens
to get anything through the Senate. In fact, they can
pass anything they want through the Senate if the Greens agree. Now,
the Greens want the level of where this doubling of
the tax from fifteen to thirty percent kicks in brought
down to two million. I mean, if Charmers agree with
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the Greens to do that, and then he gets his
way on unrealized gains and indexation, that's even worse for Australians.
That's where we could end up.
Speaker 13 (22:35):
That's where we could end up. This tax was seen
by Jim Chalmers and his captive Treasury department has soaked
the rich exercise. Treasury has a visceral resentment towards self
managed super funds. When I was a Treasury employer and
I was in the department for over twenty years, I
always saw it and I could never quite understand it.
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There's nothing wrong with somebody managing their own superannuation fund.
There we have it, and Paul Keating has correctly seen
this as a threat to public confidence and superannuation system.
It's not a tax just that will apply to the
so called rich Steve. It's going to apply to the many.
As Paul Keating pointed out, a young person entering the
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workforce today, earning no more than average wages over their
lifetime will have accumulated more than three million dollars of saving.
So it's a tax that will ultimately affect the many,
not the few.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And eventually Keating got his way because your compulsory taxation
level on your salary hit twelve percent today July one.
So younger people are in SUPER. You know, I was
a way journal before superstarted. It's now twelve percent. They
will get to three million if you're in a workforce
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at twenty hour and you're putting twelve percent of your salary.
And I must say, David again, I was staggered today
listening to talk about radio how ignorant a lot of
people are about what SUPER is, whether they're paying it
on top of their salary package, or whether the salary sacrificing.
Still people don't understand it. But we're now at twelve percent.
That's a substantial saving which is forced upon people by law.
Speaker 13 (24:14):
It is for savings, and I'm not comfortable any compulsion
in our system. I think people are sensible enough to
provision for their own retirement. I think it's a scandal
that we have twelve percent of people's incomes controlled by
union dominated funds with employee employer representatives as well the
funds and the commission, the fees and the commissions that
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these funds charge are exorbitant, and there doesn't seem to
be any accountability. So I think it's remarkable. Can I
just say something about Sally McManus. I think it's wonderful
that she's drawing attention to the bracket creep inherent in
Jim Chalmer's superneration proposal when she calls for this three
million dollars to be index Why doesn't she do the
same with the non indexation of our personal tax scales.
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Millions of union members in Australia and everybody else is
hit by bracket creep every year as they're pushed further
into higher tax brackets, and Salim mcmanuson the union movement,
who supposedly represent the interests of workers who work hard
through the Fair Work Commission to get higher wages, are
quite happy to see Canberra skim off those through bracket creep.
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I just think it's a scandal that she's silent about
a far bigger tax impost working people.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That's an excellent point. A big anniversary today. Did you
have a celebratory lunch? July two thousand, we suddenly introduced
the GST. It's been twenty five years. Who would have thought,
seems like it's been there forever.
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Well, it's quite interesting because I remember the Labor Party
opposing tooth and nail bringing in the GST. And of
course the GST was a new tax, and that's never welcome,
but people forget that it paid for at least help
pay for massive personal in hume tax cuts. It was
genuine and tax reform was a shift from taxing incomes
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and savings to taxing consumption, which is what all economists,
which is what Treasury traditionally has supported. The Labor Party
opposed it until it became part of our system, and
now they're in favor of it. So the point I'd
make Steve and to your listeners is that owing to
Bracker creep, those big personal income tax cuts that came
with the GST have been eroded away. We now rely
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on income tax to raise almost fifty percent of all
the revenue Howard brought it down when he introduced the GST.
It's all been e roaded away. So we're back where
we were with a GST and income tax burdens that
date back from before the GST was introduced. The taxpayer
losers either.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Way, of course, we do excellent points, David, thank you
to joining us again. I'll see you soon. Now to
that landmark federal called ruling today and now people have
been watching this with a huge interest. It found that
Muslim cleric we Sam had had had breached the Racial
Discrimination Act, simple as that he delivered sermons that included
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quote fundamentally racist and anti Semitic statements about Jewish people.
That's from the judge. In these sermons, mister Haddad described
Jews as quote wicked, scheming and descendants of apes and pigs,
just as Anger Stewart was adamant in this finding, Proceedings
were launched against mister Haddad by the Executive Council of
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Australian Jury. Deputy President Robert Goot joins me. Now, I
saw you outside the court today with Peter Worththime. I
thought you both explained the reason why you took this
action and how pleased you were with the outcome today.
I thought you explained it excellently. How do you feel
about it? A few hours later?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Thanks Steve. We still feel very very much vindicated that
we took the action. Steve, you know that immediately after
October seven, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Jews.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
Within days, Jews were vilified, including by the hate preacher
mister Hadad, and nothing happened. We had hoped that the
authorities would take action under the then existing laws to
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protect the Jewish community from this hate speech. They did not,
and so we decided we would do it, and the
only avenue that we could proceed under was the Racial
Discrimination Act. We did so. We did so with the
view of protecting the community, keeping them safe and safeguarding
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there and promoting their honor and integrity. And we were
vidicated today by honor in the judgment which, as you
have said, found that mister described mister Haddud's speeches as
fundamentally racist and anti Semitic, and that they they were
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profoundly offensive and of course unlawful. So we are well
satisfied that in taking the action we were vindicated, and
hopefully people vilifying any group on the basis of their
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religion or ethnic background, such as the Jewish community of Australia,
will not be able to do so with impunity.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Again, Robert, as you know here on Sky we have
been very strong in our defense of this a Jewish
community and very critical of the rise of anti Semitism,
which should worry all of us in hindsight. How let
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down do you feel about what the police and the
politicians did in regard to Hadad and forcing you to
have to find the money to go to court and
actually go through the court process.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Well, it's not so much, Steve, a matter of what
they did. It's a matter of what they did not do.
There was no attempt, as far as we know anywhere
in any Australian jurisdiction to bring to book or to
attempt to bring to book any of the individuals, including Hadad,
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who had egregiously vilified the Jewish community from the eighth
of October onwards and continue to do so. We felt
let down. We weren't expecting that they would necessarily win
a case, but we felt that they had no reason
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not to attempt to test their laws, because otherwise the
laws are a dead letter. Of course, since that time
the laws have been amended in Victoria, in New South
Wales and at the Commonwealth level, but again they haven't
been utilized for any hate speech offenses.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Hadads lawyer set out outside the court that his clients
sermons were never intended to insult any group in Australia
based on their ethnic identity. Do you obviously disagree with that?
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Yes, that's a nonsense. Firstly, it was one just has
to read the speeches which are reproduced in the judgment
of course, to realize that that is just nonsense. And
then there is this apparent distinction between ethnic Jews and
Jews of faith which mister Haddud seeks to rely on.
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No such distinction was to be found in any of
the speeches. And more importantly, the judge rejected that entire proposition,
and he did so because mister Haddud's own expert on
the religion of Islam did not support that proposition. As
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the judge noted, Scheh Ibrahim, who was the expert called
by mister hadd said that quote Islam does not encourage
hatred towards Jews, I mean the direct opposite of that
which mister Hadud was trying to explain away. After the decision,
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well done on your court victory.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It was something that needed to be done. And congratulations
to you and the Australian Council of Jury for going
through that court process. Robert Goot, appreciate your time. Thank
you very much for making yourself available tonight coming up
after the break. How complicit has the West become? Speaking
of anti Semitism, ugly hate, fuel chance ringing out at
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one of the world's most popular music festivals, and plus
salty language for the Victorian Premier this week? So why
are more politicians swearing to make their point? The panel
of join us shortly welcome back to the Price with
you all week, filling in for Peter Kredlin. We'll have
our panel up shortly. The more you see the audience
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hysteria at that Glastonbury Music Festival in the UK, all
of this chanting death to the IDF, I think the
more disturbing it is when you first saw it. I mean,
you could argue that it was a bunch of watered
and probably over drugged youngsters sucked into some no name
rapper's idea of a protest, but it was a lot
more than that. I think you can't ignore the fact
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that the message was intended to rally the call for
the death of Jewish soldiers. Now, of course, some of
the biggest music festivals in the world have undoubtedly been
used as platforms for political statements right through history, all
the way back to the nineteen sixties, probably earlier, but
it could certainly be argued that this is the first
time such direct hatred has been trumpeted from a stage
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and echoed by an audience. It begs the question and
a number of questions, not just around accountability, but whether
the West is becoming complicit in the rising tide of
anti Semitism. I know that's a hard question to ask.
Joining me now to discuss this issue, Author commentator Anscote,
News contributor An Hersey Ali, good to see you again.
You've written about this in a piece for Courage Media.
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You argue that culture, true cohesion is at risk, and
that a chat like this so willingly from a chance,
I should say, from thousands of music revelers, is really
a warning. Can you dig down into that and explain that?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
For me?
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Sadly, I have to say it is becoming mainstream. I
said it a few months ago. Hatred against Jews is
being means streamed. It is being used as a you know,
Zionism and Israel and this and that. But if you
look at if you watch very closely what you're seeing,
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don't focus on the rapper or the artist, look at
the audience. The audience is shared by this. The blood
label against Jews is off, like off the charts. Things
we weren't allowed to think or say thirty years ago,
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twenty years ago are now being openly celebrated. It's the BBC. Gosh,
I grew up with the BBC. I thought the BBC
used to be sort of the source of old truth.
And that's what's the brand the BBC is for most
of the world is this is the source of old truth.
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And they're channeling anti Semitism. And so I think, I
think we have a problem. And I'm you asked me, like,
can you explain this to us? And it is we
have mainstreamed hatred against Jews. We have mainstreamed antisemitism. It
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is now mainstream and we need to get we need
to reckon with that. How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Well, and I mean since October seven, I mean on
October right on the steps of the Sydney Opera House,
one of the most famous buildings in the world. You
had people there chanting, you know if the Jews. Some
people suggest there was gas. The Jews said as well,
and so it started from there, and like in the UK,
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in every major capital city of Australia, almost every weekend
since you've had people marching through the streets of these
cities carrying Palestinian flags and giving support to people like Hamas.
And now you know, we shouldn't be surprised. I suppose
that it ends up at a music festival like that,
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it's shocking, but after what twenty more or more months,
it shouldn't surprise us, should it.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It should alarm us, it should appall us. October seven,
twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Look, it was.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
A music festival. These were kids were celebrating, and I
think most of them are actually peace necks. Most of
the victims of October seven were peace necks. And here
we have, like every summer, we have these festivals. I think,
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I hate to say this to you, but if Hamas
were to be released into Glastonbury, the kids who were
shouting what they were shouting would be slaughtered. Okay, the
women would be raped. They would make no excuses for
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grandmothers or young people. This is what you would see.
And here is the horror of it all is that
it is in Glastonbury. Someone told me you have to
pay four hundred pounds to get into Alassenburg. So this
is middle class, upper middle class British people, and this
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is what they're listening to, and this is what they're
all about, and they don't have what Israel has, which
is what Israel has is kill the IDEF, Kill the IDF.
The IDF is a military that understands the problem that
it's faced with. But Britain, Australia, Canada, the United States,
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we don't understand these people. My whole life has been
about trying to make you understand about what is going on.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Today.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
It is about the Jews. Tomorrow it's about you. Okay,
this guy who's shouting kill, kill the IDF is going
to kill, kill the white people, kill, kill Christianity, kill,
kill women. It's all happening. I'm sorry. I wish I
had better news for you, but this is what's happening.
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And we have mainstream. If we mainstream hatred against Jews,
we mainstream hatred against ourselves, against Western civilization, because Western
civilization is based on the Judeo Christian principles and this
is what we are up against. It is not gosh,
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how do I say this. It's not against human beings
against other human beings, obviously we all know that, but
it is it's a way of life versus a way
of life, a story versus a story. The story we're
facing today is the story of destruction, the story of killing,
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the story of eliminating people. That story is mainstream in
Britain and Europe, in America. Okay, that's my takeaway from Glastonbury.
You have young people who went to there to revel
and two years ago there were young people were reveling
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in the Nova Festival.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
They were absolutely right. Your assessment is one hundred percent correct.
D thank you as usual for your assessment. It's brilliant.
I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Coming up
as a Victorian teachers rally for a pay rise staggered
over three years just to get on par with other states,
other teachers around the country. The premier to center allan
or she becomes the highest paid premier in the country,
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pulling in more than half a million dollars a year.
Our panel, we'll discuss that up next. Welcome bad More
of words is erupted between two of Australia's largest states,
Queensland and Victoria, about the distribution of GST. Every year
we have these argument between the states. The Victorian premier,
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the overpaid Premier of Victoria is now on over five
hundred thousand dollars a year branding comments by Queensland Treasurer
David Jensky quote complete bull dust. Now I've softened the
language there, but issues.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Let me put it in language in a way that
the coins line Treasurer can understand.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
It's just pulled right, swearing a well here to discuss IPO.
Senior fellow and chief economist Adam Crichton and Scone should
contribute to Terry balms. Gentlemen, Welcome to you both. Adam,
what's it with senior politicians swear? I mean, well, Donald
Trump did it.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Well.
Speaker 14 (42:30):
Look, I think it's actually helped Donald Trump's favorability ratings.
I understand, and I understand that.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I think occasionally it can.
Speaker 14 (42:37):
Work when the politician feels very strongly about a particularly
important issue, and I think that's that was certaificase with
Donald Trump. Whether it's justified in the case of GST
is another question, but you know, to the Treasurer and
the Premier's defense, the GST carve up is a very
big issue. It's talking about billions of dollars here. The
question of whether Victoria is justified in you know, in
(42:59):
basically receiving millians more. I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 14 (43:02):
The problem with the current, the current carve up and
I side with the with the Queensland.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
The problem with well based on population.
Speaker 14 (43:10):
No, No, it's certainly not. There's an extremely complicated formula
that you know, you're basically need a PhD to understand.
And and the reality is that states like Victoria benefit
from not using their resource their resources. So so all
the gas reserves in Victoria are basically sealed up. And
so that's why there there's a greater transfer from Queensland
(43:30):
to Victoria because Queensland is using its coal reserves and
there's been a boom in various royalties for coal, and
so the federal government is wisdom says, oh, well, we
need to transfer money to Victoria. And so I understand
the anger of the Queensland government and there needs to
be a change in the formula.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (43:44):
And what I would recommend the Queensland government is they
should do a review and whether or not they should
turn off the interconnector basically for electricity between Queensland and
the Southern States.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That would that would that would scare.
Speaker 14 (43:57):
The Southern States a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
And I'd never think quite an argument about how the
mining royalties on gas because the gas is locked away,
we just then ask the federal government for more money
and don't lie on mining ruleis I mean, we've got
the worst debt in the country by a million miles.
WA has got a budget suitlus because it gets all
the mining royal.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
That's right, and it's the most inefficient and incompetent government
the country as well as look at look at all
the boondoggle projects that they're trying to actually pay for
over budget and over time. I like the suburban railroap
for instance, Why should Queensland, Why should anybody outside Victoria
have to subsidize that's of stupidity.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Ste Well, they shouldn't. And I mean that's a really
good argument because people into state A that wouldn't know
what the suburban rail loop is. B they would never
use it. I mean, forget about people in the state.
People in regional Victoria are never going to use it.
Now it's do I want to go from children to box?
Speaker 14 (44:49):
Of course, it's about you know, it's about creating highways,
jobs for CFMAU workers. That's what it's about. Because this
state that we're currently sitting in is you know, it's
basically corrupt and it's run by the CFMAU and.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Program is about and you know, I drive past one
of those suburban rail construction zones in the southeast and
all the cranes have got CFMAU flags flying flags.
Speaker 14 (45:09):
They black flags, they're pirate flags, They're pirate flags.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Basically, speaking of Victoria, the truth telling process that's ended
up in division, You've got this thing called the europ
Justice Commission refusing to endorse the findings in a final report.
This is a big split. But Terry, yesterday we had
the news broken that Cindra Allen is quite determined to
go ahead with establishing a Voice to the Victorian Parliament,
even though fifty six percent of Victorians said we don't
(45:35):
know to the voice referendum.
Speaker 8 (45:38):
Look, this is the state of Daniel Andrews, isn't it, Steve.
I mean, basically democracy went out the window in twenty twenty.
It hasn't come back yet. But when it comes to
this Victorian Voice, I mean, yeah, she's disregarding the will
of the people. She's disregarding consulting with the people. Oh,
she's consulting with a few activists. This europe Truth Commission
is basically the truth of those activists. It's not necessarily
(46:00):
the truth of Victorian Aboriginal people in general. And now
they're tossing about words like genocide and all sorts of things,
and they seem to be split. But I don't know
from what we're hearing whether they're split between oh, you've
got going over the top or you're not going over
the top enough. But the bottom line is activists have
their own minds, their own interpretation the view of the world.
(46:20):
But ordinary people, ordinary Victorians, just don't deserve this. And
to have another like a bastard child plunked into our constitution,
I just think is beyond the payoff.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
You've got thirty three people at him sitting on an
Aboriginal forum that are elected every three years. They're being
paid each over one hundred thousand dollars. That's thirty three
people just to sit around and meet. And then you've
got a document that was drawn up by Daniel Andrews
that he's funded with sixty five million dollars for people
(46:55):
to talk about the truth. I mean, there's a bloke
who marched from Portland to Melbourn some of the comments
that he made when he reached the parliament House in Melbourne,
which he's talking about rivers running red with blood.
Speaker 14 (47:08):
But you know what I would say to be optimistic,
this is an incredible opportunity for the opposition here in
this state. Why are they not seizing on this?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
How they done it?
Speaker 14 (47:16):
If they but it was somewhat modest. I mean, the
opposition leader should be out there very aggressive on this
saying that we are not going to put up for
this sort of division because of the voice referendum. We
have the votes, we have the numbers, but it's just
not strong enough because they're too distracted by their own
internal squabbling as we know. But you know, the positive
lining is that if there's going to be a change
of government in this state, you know, it's it's stupid
(47:37):
actions like this from labor in this state that that
could end government to the coalition.
Speaker 8 (47:42):
If they can take actually take it up, if they
have the guts to do it.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So we read all this and then we find out
today that Cindra Allen's the most highly paid premiere in
the country. She's on five hundred and thirteen thousand dollars
with a sixty five thousand dollars on top of that,
you know for other things, cars offices.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Well it's a lot more than that.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
This.
Speaker 14 (48:01):
Premiers don't pay for their lunches and their dinners. They
pay none of their running costs. So it's probably more
like seven hundred thousand dollars if we're being honest. But look,
it's a difficult issue because the Premier Victoria is an
important role. You want to attract the right people and
so forth. I think it's probably well, I certainly have it,
and that is a very good point. But the fact
that she's earning probably the equivalent of the US presidents
(48:22):
must raise some questions.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Well, she's the second highest paid politician in the country
after the prom.
Speaker 14 (48:28):
She certainly earns more than the British Prime Minister, much much.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
More, which is ridiculous. I mean, seriously, thank you both
for coming. Appreciate it very much.
Speaker 14 (48:36):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I'll be back for Peter Kreedlin again tomorrow night. Coming
up next, James McPherson is filling in for Andrew Bolt
and I'm going to have a very special guest, I
hope on the program tomorrow night to talk about how
to get a meeting with Donald Trump.
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